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2004-06-25 00:33:22+00:00 - CC's implants - (nimue <cup_o_cakesNOSPAM@yahoo.com>)


For those who are interested, there is a before-and-after image of Charisma Carpenter and her implants at the bottom of this page. Just scroll down. http://www.goodplasticsurgery.com/ -- nimue "If I had created reality television I would have had a much greater influence, but then I would have had to KILL MYSELF." Joss Whedon

2004-06-25 05:18:22-07:00 - Re: CC's implants - (kenm47@ix.netcom.com)


"nimue" <cup_o_cakesNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<mpKCc.233936$WA4.224618@twister.nyc.rr.com>... > For those who are interested, there is a before-and-after image of Charisma > Carpenter and her implants at the bottom of this page. Just scroll down. > http://www.goodplasticsurgery.com/ She didn't need them, and looked better without them. Ken

2004-06-25 09:08:16-07:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Mark Jones <sinanju@pacifier.com>)


Tammy Stephanie Davis wrote: > In article <4c527512.0406250418.fe004cd@posting.google.com>, > kenm47 <kenm47@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > :"nimue" <cup_o_cakesNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<mpKCc.233936$WA4.224618@twister.nyc.rr.com>... > :> For those who are interested, there is a before-and-after image of Charisma > :> Carpenter and her implants at the bottom of this page. Just scroll down. > :> http://www.goodplasticsurgery.com/ > : > :She didn't need them, and looked better without them. > > Grainy photosgraphs at different angels? Sorry, but I'm not convinced > she's had implants. Ditto. My wife and I looked at them we don't see evidence of implants.

2004-06-25 12:46:47+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (tsd@asteroids.gpcc.itd.umich.edu)


In article <4c527512.0406250418.fe004cd@posting.google.com>, kenm47 <kenm47@ix.netcom.com> wrote: :"nimue" <cup_o_cakesNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<mpKCc.233936$WA4.224618@twister.nyc.rr.com>... :> For those who are interested, there is a before-and-after image of Charisma :> Carpenter and her implants at the bottom of this page. Just scroll down. :> http://www.goodplasticsurgery.com/ : :She didn't need them, and looked better without them. Grainy photosgraphs at different angels? Sorry, but I'm not convinced she's had implants. --

2004-06-25 14:40:03+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Mike Craney <mcraney@hotop.com>)


In article <X8VCc.465$gs.7322@news.itd.umich.edu>, tsd@asteroids.gpcc.itd.umich.edu says... > In article <4c527512.0406250418.fe004cd@posting.google.com>, > kenm47 <kenm47@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > :"nimue" <cup_o_cakesNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<mpKCc.233936$WA4.224618@twister.nyc.rr.com>... > :> For those who are interested, there is a before-and-after image of Charisma > :> Carpenter and her implants at the bottom of this page. Just scroll down. > :> http://www.goodplasticsurgery.com/ > : > :She didn't need them, and looked better without them. > > Grainy photosgraphs at different angels? Sorry, but I'm not convinced > she's had implants. You might pull out S2 of Buffy. Find the episodes taped BEFORE Christmas hiatus, and match CC then with the episodes after Christmas hiatus. Yowza. Then again, maybe she just learned a whole lot of new things to do with duct tape. Of course, maybe it was one of Willow's spells..... Mike >

2004-06-25 14:47:08+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Rowan Hawthorn <rowan_hawthorn@hotmail.com>)


"Mike Craney" <mcraney@hotop.com> wrote in message news:MPG.1b45f44170268bbb989714@news-server.houston.rr.com... > > You might pull out S2 of Buffy. Find the episodes taped BEFORE Christmas > hiatus, and match CC then with the episodes after Christmas hiatus. > > Yowza. > > Then again, maybe she just learned a whole lot of new things to do with > duct tape. > > Of course, maybe it was one of Willow's spells..... That sounds more likely. She's a breast girl, y'know... -- Rowan Hawthorn "I love mankind, it's people I can't stand." - Linus Van Pelt

2004-06-25 17:31:12+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (nospam@nospam.com)


In article <MPG.1b45f44170268bbb989714@news-server.houston.rr.com>, Mike Craney <mcraney@hotop.com> wrote: > >You might pull out S2 of Buffy. Find the episodes taped BEFORE Christmas >hiatus, and match CC then with the episodes after Christmas hiatus. > >Yowza. > >Then again, maybe she just learned a whole lot of new things to do with >duct tape. At some point, the women of "Buffy" were made to wear "explants", gel monstrosities that, when thrown against the wall, would "ooze" downward. I thought these would have made a great creature for a story line. One by one, the girls of Sunnydale High show up with larger breasts and altered personalities as they fall under the control of their parasites... -- Please reply to: | "I'm a blood sucking fiend. Look at pciszek at panix dot com | my outfit!"

2004-06-25 19:24:50-07:00 - Re: CC's implants - (cup_o_cakes@yahoo.com)


tsd@asteroids.gpcc.itd.umich.edu (Tammy Stephanie Davis) wrote in message news:<X8VCc.465$gs.7322@news.itd.umich.edu>... > In article <4c527512.0406250418.fe004cd@posting.google.com>, > kenm47 <kenm47@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > :"nimue" <cup_o_cakesNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<mpKCc.233936$WA4.224618@twister.nyc.rr.com>... > :> For those who are interested, there is a before-and-after image of Charisma > :> Carpenter and her implants at the bottom of this page. Just scroll down. > :> http://www.goodplasticsurgery.com/ > : > :She didn't need them, and looked better without them. > > Grainy photosgraphs at different angels? Sorry, but I'm not convinced > she's had implants. > -- You obviously don't know what implants look like. I do. She's had 'em. Her breasts lie against her chest like halved melons, and they are hard, and you can see the ridge and they are bigger -- implants.

2004-06-25 19:28:35-07:00 - Re: CC's implants - (cup_o_cakes@yahoo.com)


Mark Jones <sinanju@pacifier.com> wrote in message news:<10dojfhr2qekm82@corp.supernews.com>... > Tammy Stephanie Davis wrote: > > In article <4c527512.0406250418.fe004cd@posting.google.com>, > > kenm47 <kenm47@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > :"nimue" <cup_o_cakesNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<mpKCc.233936$WA4.224618@twister.nyc.rr.com>... > > :> For those who are interested, there is a before-and-after image of Charisma > > :> Carpenter and her implants at the bottom of this page. Just scroll down. > > :> http://www.goodplasticsurgery.com/ > > : > > :She didn't need them, and looked better without them. > > > > Grainy photosgraphs at different angels? Sorry, but I'm not convinced > > she's had implants. > > Ditto. My wife and I looked at them we don't see evidence of implants. Do a google image search. She used to have smaller, natural-looking breasts. Now, as we saw on her last Angel episode, she has these huge things that stand up on their own in a way natural breasts don't. I am always surprised when people can't tell obvious implants -- and hers are obvious.

2004-06-25 19:56:08-04:00 - Re: CC's implants - (nfway <nfway@gmail.com>)


In article <4c527512.0406250418.fe004cd@posting.google.com>, kenm47 @ix.netcom.com says... > "nimue" <cup_o_cakesNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<mpKCc.233936$WA4.224618@twister.nyc.rr.com>... > > For those who are interested, there is a before-and-after image of Charisma > > Carpenter and her implants at the bottom of this page. Just scroll down. > > http://www.goodplasticsurgery.com/ > > She didn't need them, and looked better without them. > > Ken > agreed. (and I wish I had the money, and the surgeons were that proficient, when I was young enough for that sort of work to have made a difference..)

2004-06-25 19:59:08-04:00 - Re: CC's implants - (nfway <nfway@gmail.com>)


In article <cbhnh0$c25$1@reader2.panix.com>, nospam@nospam.com says... > > In article <MPG.1b45f44170268bbb989714@news-server.houston.rr.com>, > Mike Craney <mcraney@hotop.com> wrote: > > > >You might pull out S2 of Buffy. Find the episodes taped BEFORE Christmas > >hiatus, and match CC then with the episodes after Christmas hiatus. > > > >Yowza. > > > >Then again, maybe she just learned a whole lot of new things to do with > >duct tape. > > At some point, the women of "Buffy" were made to wear "explants", gel > monstrosities that, when thrown against the wall, would "ooze" downward. > I thought these would have made a great creature for a story line. > One by one, the girls of Sunnydale High show up with larger breasts and > altered personalities as they fall under the control of their parasites... > > There was a british drama series called "Strange" that aired on Showtime last season, which had just such an episode. A plastic surgeon gave women breast implants except the implants contained larval daemons who mateured while implanted and then burst through and ate their way out of the women's chests...

2004-06-25 21:40:12+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <mpKCc.233936$WA4.224618@twister.nyc.rr.com>, "nimue" <cup_o_cakesNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote: > For those who are interested, there is a before-and-after image of > Charisma Carpenter and her implants at the bottom of this > page. Just scroll down. > http://www.goodplasticsurgery.com/ I scrolled all the way down and don't see anything about Charisma. It ends with Toni Braxton's new nose.

2004-06-25 22:29:21+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <807pd0t84ansfpt64r8glegqm0o9ip6dqq@4ax.com>, Heljar Grimstad <heljar.grimstadNO@SPAMchello.no> wrote: > On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:40:12 GMT, BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> > wrote: > > >I scrolled all the way down and don't see anything about Charisma. It > >ends with Toni Braxton's new nose. > > On the right side of the page there's a whole bunch of links.Under > Articles and Good Breast Surgery you can find Charisma Carpenter. Thanks. I missed that. > She also recently did a photoshoot for Playboy. Her breasts look fake. I saw the Playboy spead and they look pretty real to me. > And she also looks bigger than earlier photos of her. So does my sister and she's never had implants.

2004-06-25 22:43:37+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Mark Nobles <cmn-nospam@houston.rr.com>)


Heljar Grimstad <heljar.grimstadNO@SPAMchello.no> wrote: > And she also looks bigger than earlier photos of her. Having a kid will do that to a woman. There is a before and after picture of her on the referenced page, linked on the right column, near the top. But if memory serves, the after picture was actually taken before the before picture. Some of the other comparisons, such as Christina Aguilera, are also less than convincing.

2004-06-25 22:45:07-04:00 - Re: CC's implants - (forge <forge@diespammersdie.youneedageek.com>)


On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:08:16 -0700, Mark Jones <sinanju@pacifier.com> wrote: >> :> For those who are interested, there is a before-and-after image of Charisma >> :> Carpenter and her implants at the bottom of this page. Just scroll down. >> :> http://www.goodplasticsurgery.com/ >> : >> :She didn't need them, and looked better without them. >> >> Grainy photosgraphs at different angels? Sorry, but I'm not convinced >> she's had implants. > >Ditto. My wife and I looked at them we don't see evidence of implants. I strongly suspected she had them, early in the first season of Angel when Cordy was caught and tied, hands behind her back, and left on her back on a couch. That was either the greatest bra ever designed or she has some very well-installed silicone in her chest. Either way, Charisma looks great - who cares if it's plastic? She doesn't have Pam Anderson Balloon Chest and she's got the right proportions elsewhere that the chest fits in with the rest of her.

2004-06-25 23:55:06+02:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Heljar Grimstad <heljar.grimstadNO@SPAMchello.no>)


On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:40:12 GMT, BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >I scrolled all the way down and don't see anything about Charisma. It >ends with Toni Braxton's new nose. On the right side of the page there's a whole bunch of links.Under Articles and Good Breast Surgery you can find Charisma Carpenter. She also recently did a photoshoot for Playboy. Her breasts look fake. And she also looks bigger than earlier photos of her. -- Heljar Grimstad

2004-06-26 00:49:01+02:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Heljar Grimstad <heljar.grimstadNO@SPAMchello.no>)


On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 22:29:21 GMT, BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >So does my sister and she's never had implants. How old is your sister? CC was 27 at the start of Buffy. I'm no expert, but at that age and as long as she isn't pregnant or gains a lot of weight her breasts aren't likely to grow too much. -- Heljar Grimstad

2004-06-26 00:59:13+02:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Heljar Grimstad <heljar.grimstadNO@SPAMchello.no>)


On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 22:43:37 GMT, Mark Nobles <cmn-nospam@houston.rr.com> wrote: >Having a kid will do that to a woman. Yes. But this was march last year. They don't stay big forever. But, 1 year and a couple of months isn't that long a time either. -- Heljar Grimstad

2004-06-26 01:21:33+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (David Brewer <davidbrewer@blueyonder.co.uk>)


nfway wrote: > > In article <cbhnh0$c25$1@reader2.panix.com>, nospam@nospam.com says... > > > > In article <MPG.1b45f44170268bbb989714@news-server.houston.rr.com>, > > Mike Craney <mcraney@hotop.com> wrote: > > > > > >You might pull out S2 of Buffy. Find the episodes taped BEFORE Christmas > > >hiatus, and match CC then with the episodes after Christmas hiatus. > > > > > >Yowza. > > > > > >Then again, maybe she just learned a whole lot of new things to do with > > >duct tape. > > > > At some point, the women of "Buffy" were made to wear "explants", gel > > monstrosities that, when thrown against the wall, would "ooze" downward. > > I thought these would have made a great creature for a story line. > > One by one, the girls of Sunnydale High show up with larger breasts and > > altered personalities as they fall under the control of their parasites... > > > > > > There was a british drama series called "Strange" that aired on Showtime > last season, which had just such an episode. A plastic surgeon gave > women breast implants except the implants contained larval daemons who > mateured while implanted and then burst through and ate their way out of > the women's chests... "Strange" is, I think, the show that killed "Ripper". In production at a time when "Ripper" might have been produced instead and with a similar theme it proceeded to hopelessly die on its arse. There's still a great and lingering affection for Buffy in the UK (plenty of Buffy merch in the shops, more than any other show) but the ideal moment for a spin-off (when Buffy was still in production) has gone. "True Fact": Andrew Marshall, producer and writer for "Strange" was Douglas Adam's prototype for Marvin, the Paranoid Android. -- David Brewer "The mentally disturbed do not employ the Theory of Scientific Parsimony: the most simple theory to explain a given set of facts." - P.K.Dick (from VALIS)

2004-06-26 01:37:03+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Shorty <notrealshorty@hotmail.com>)


On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 00:59:13 +0200, Heljar Grimstad <heljar.grimstadNO@SPAMchello.no> wrote: >On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 22:43:37 GMT, Mark Nobles ><cmn-nospam@houston.rr.com> wrote: > >>Having a kid will do that to a woman. > >Yes. But this was march last year. They don't stay big forever. >But, 1 year and a couple of months isn't that long a time either. Actually they often can. Shorty

2004-06-26 03:12:48-05:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:BTR1702-4DA971.18295525062004@news.west.earthlink.net... > In article <807pd0t84ansfpt64r8glegqm0o9ip6dqq@4ax.com>, Heljar > Grimstad <heljar.grimstadNO@SPAMchello.no> wrote: > > > On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:40:12 GMT, BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> > > wrote: > > > > >I scrolled all the way down and don't see anything about Charisma. It > > >ends with Toni Braxton's new nose. > > > > On the right side of the page there's a whole bunch of links.Under > > Articles and Good Breast Surgery you can find Charisma Carpenter. > > Thanks. I missed that. > > > She also recently did a photoshoot for Playboy. Her breasts look fake. > > I saw the Playboy spead and they look pretty real to me. > > > And she also looks bigger than earlier photos of her. > > So does my sister and she's never had implants. EEEEEEEWWWWW!!!!!! Your own sister??!!!? Dude, your own immediate family and sex do not mix. That way lies madness. -- Ken from Chicago

2004-06-26 03:15:34-05:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"Shorty" <notrealshorty@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:opkpd05ccs1bgsujku4raf5bjva5gkd5jd@4ax.com... > On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 00:59:13 +0200, Heljar Grimstad > <heljar.grimstadNO@SPAMchello.no> wrote: > > >On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 22:43:37 GMT, Mark Nobles > ><cmn-nospam@houston.rr.com> wrote: > > > >>Having a kid will do that to a woman. > > > >Yes. But this was march last year. They don't stay big forever. > >But, 1 year and a couple of months isn't that long a time either. > > > Actually they often can. > > Shorty Yeah, it's a long-running joke about dead women with implants, on SIX FEET UNDER, LAW & ORDER, CSI, etc., that the implants remain . . . "perky". -- Ken from Chicago

2004-06-26 03:18:51-05:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"nimue" <cup_o_cakesNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:mpKCc.233936$WA4.224618@twister.nyc.rr.com... > For those who are interested, there is a before-and-after image of Charisma > Carpenter and her implants at the bottom of this page. Just scroll down. > http://www.goodplasticsurgery.com/ > > -- > nimue > > "If I had created reality television I would have had a much greater > influence, > but then I would have had to KILL MYSELF." > Joss Whedon > > First of all, the implants, unneeded--at least in RL. Charisma works in Hollywood so YMMV. More importantly, the rhinoplasty has to be stopped. Sheesh, people with perfectly decent noses are being tricked into going under the knife for an arbitrarily "better" noses. -- Ken from Chicago

2004-06-26 03:31:37+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <eeapd0l00sqef5cv4ank0fv94beo8lts1j@4ax.com>, Heljar Grimstad <heljar.grimstadNO@SPAMchello.no> wrote: > On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 22:29:21 GMT, BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> > wrote: > > >So does my sister and she's never had implants. > > How old is your sister? 29 > CC was 27 at the start of Buffy. I'm no expert, but at that age and as > long as she isn't pregnant or gains a lot of weight her breasts aren't > likely to grow too much.

2004-06-26 04:36:00+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (James Craine <JamesCraine@Hotmail.com>)


BTR1701 wrote: > In article <eeapd0l00sqef5cv4ank0fv94beo8lts1j@4ax.com>, Heljar > Grimstad <heljar.grimstadNO@SPAMchello.no> wrote: > > >>On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 22:29:21 GMT, BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> >>wrote: > > >>CC was 27 at the start of Buffy. I'm no expert, but at that age and as >>long as she isn't pregnant or gains a lot of weight her breasts aren't >>likely to grow too much. The after picture looks like one I have from the 'net copied several years ago. My disk crashed so I can't find the date but it would be a few years old. Not months.

2004-06-26 04:55:00+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Richard Edwards <riche@pobox.com>)


BTR1701 wrote: > In article <807pd0t84ansfpt64r8glegqm0o9ip6dqq@4ax.com>, Heljar > Grimstad <heljar.grimstadNO@SPAMchello.no> wrote: > > >>On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:40:12 GMT, BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> >>wrote: >> >> >>>I scrolled all the way down and don't see anything about Charisma. It >>>ends with Toni Braxton's new nose. >> >>On the right side of the page there's a whole bunch of links.Under >>Articles and Good Breast Surgery you can find Charisma Carpenter. > > > Thanks. I missed that. > > >>She also recently did a photoshoot for Playboy. Her breasts look fake. > > > I saw the Playboy spead and they look pretty real to me. > > >>And she also looks bigger than earlier photos of her. > > > So does my sister and she's never had implants. So what's you're ultimate guess? She has either had them or not. What do you think? Yeah, she's never had obvious implants, but I still am guessing that they're there. Later, Richard

2004-06-26 08:00:04-05:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"The Fish Girl" <angiedeiuvia@aol.computer> wrote in message news:20040626063703.19157.00000672@mb-m06.aol.com... > << Dude, your own immediate family and sex do not mix. > > That way lies madness. > > -- Ken from Chicago >><BR><BR> > > Or Greek Myths... > > > Mandi > The fish Girl > "I saw Fish" > "Hey it's the Fish Girl!" Those whom the Greek gods would destroy, they drive mad. -- Ken from Chicago

2004-06-26 08:02:33-05:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:BTR1702-700875.08563626062004@news.west.earthlink.net... > In article <tKudnXzxktmdrUDdRVn-sA@comcast.com>, "Ken from Chicago" > <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: > > > "BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message > > news:BTR1702-4DA971.18295525062004@news.west.earthlink.net... > > > In article <807pd0t84ansfpt64r8glegqm0o9ip6dqq@4ax.com>, Heljar > > > Grimstad <heljar.grimstadNO@SPAMchello.no> wrote: > > > > > > > On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:40:12 GMT, BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >I scrolled all the way down and don't see anything about Charisma. It > > > > >ends with Toni Braxton's new nose. > > > > > > > > On the right side of the page there's a whole bunch of links.Under > > > > Articles and Good Breast Surgery you can find Charisma Carpenter. > > > > > > Thanks. I missed that. > > > > > > > She also recently did a photoshoot for Playboy. Her breasts look fake. > > > > > > I saw the Playboy spead and they look pretty real to me. > > > > > > > And she also looks bigger than earlier photos of her. > > > > > > So does my sister and she's never had implants. > > > > EEEEEEEWWWWW!!!!!! Your own sister??!!!? > > > > Dude, your own immediate family and sex do not mix. > > Where the hell are you getting "sex" from any of this? That you would even notice your own sisters breasts, much less able to make comparisons . . . that's just wrong. That's like saying a member of your immediate family is hot. -- Ken from Chicago

2004-06-26 09:39:42-04:00 - Re: CC's implants - (forge <forge@diespammers.youneedageek.com>)


In article <BTR1702-4DA971.18295525062004@news.west.earthlink.net>, BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > I saw the Playboy spead and they look pretty real to me. There was an outtake that had her lying flat on her back and they were still sticking straight up. But I stand by my earlier post - even if they're implants, she looks great with them, so what's the big deal?

2004-06-26 09:42:04-04:00 - Re: CC's implants - (forge <forge@diespammers.youneedageek.com>)


In article <4c527512.0406250418.fe004cd@posting.google.com>, kenm47@ix.netcom.com (kenm47) wrote: > She didn't need them, and looked better without them. It's entirely possible none of us has ever seen Carpenter without them. I'm nearly positive she's had them in since before she started on Buffy.

2004-06-26 09:59:30-04:00 - Re: CC's implants - (forge <forge@diespammers.youneedageek.com>)


In article <h1fDc.13344$HY4.9472@amsnews03.chello.com>, 3D Master <3d.master@chello.nl> wrote: > Not long at all. They grow bigger mostly because they get filled with > milk. Is it that or is it just that the glands swell when they're in production mode? Breasts aren't really udders, I dunno if they have reservoirs in them. But I didn't go that far into anatomy & physiology, just what they require you to take when you're a journalism major. (that is, very little)

2004-06-26 10:37:03+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (angiedeiuvia@aol.computer)


<< Dude, your own immediate family and sex do not mix. That way lies madness. -- Ken from Chicago >><BR><BR> Or Greek Myths... Mandi The fish Girl "I saw Fish" "Hey it's the Fish Girl!"

2004-06-26 12:56:02+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <tKudnXzxktmdrUDdRVn-sA@comcast.com>, "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: > "BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message > news:BTR1702-4DA971.18295525062004@news.west.earthlink.net... > > In article <807pd0t84ansfpt64r8glegqm0o9ip6dqq@4ax.com>, Heljar > > Grimstad <heljar.grimstadNO@SPAMchello.no> wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:40:12 GMT, BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > >I scrolled all the way down and don't see anything about Charisma. It > > > >ends with Toni Braxton's new nose. > > > > > > On the right side of the page there's a whole bunch of links.Under > > > Articles and Good Breast Surgery you can find Charisma Carpenter. > > > > Thanks. I missed that. > > > > > She also recently did a photoshoot for Playboy. Her breasts look fake. > > > > I saw the Playboy spead and they look pretty real to me. > > > > > And she also looks bigger than earlier photos of her. > > > > So does my sister and she's never had implants. > > EEEEEEEWWWWW!!!!!! Your own sister??!!!? > > Dude, your own immediate family and sex do not mix. Where the hell are you getting "sex" from any of this?

2004-06-26 12:56:54+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <Ek7Dc.74$Nx1.41@fe2.columbus.rr.com>, Richard Edwards <riche@pobox.com> wrote: > BTR1701 wrote: > > In article <807pd0t84ansfpt64r8glegqm0o9ip6dqq@4ax.com>, Heljar > > Grimstad <heljar.grimstadNO@SPAMchello.no> wrote: > > > > > >>On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:40:12 GMT, BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> > >>wrote: > >> > >> > >>>I scrolled all the way down and don't see anything about Charisma. It > >>>ends with Toni Braxton's new nose. > >> > >>On the right side of the page there's a whole bunch of links.Under > >>Articles and Good Breast Surgery you can find Charisma Carpenter. > > > > > > Thanks. I missed that. > > > > > >>She also recently did a photoshoot for Playboy. Her breasts look fake. > > > > > > I saw the Playboy spead and they look pretty real to me. > > > > > >>And she also looks bigger than earlier photos of her. > > > > > > So does my sister and she's never had implants. > > So what's you're ultimate guess? She has either had them or not. What > do you think? I take her at word until there's reason to do otherwise.

2004-06-26 13:09:48-05:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"Tammy Stephanie Davis" <tsd@rygar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu> wrote in message news:acgDc.510$gs.7852@news.itd.umich.edu... > In article <oP-dncE4O9F37kDdRVn-uA@comcast.com>, > Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: > : > :"BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message > :news:BTR1702-700875.08563626062004@news.west.earthlink.net... > :> In article <tKudnXzxktmdrUDdRVn-sA@comcast.com>, "Ken from Chicago" > :> <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: > :> > :> > "BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message > :> > news:BTR1702-4DA971.18295525062004@news.west.earthlink.net... > :> > > In article <807pd0t84ansfpt64r8glegqm0o9ip6dqq@4ax.com>, Heljar > :> > > Grimstad <heljar.grimstadNO@SPAMchello.no> wrote: > :> > > > :> > > > On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:40:12 GMT, BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> > :> > > > wrote: > :> > > > > :> > > > >I scrolled all the way down and don't see anything about Charisma. > :It > :> > > > >ends with Toni Braxton's new nose. > :> > > > > :> > > > On the right side of the page there's a whole bunch of links.Under > :> > > > Articles and Good Breast Surgery you can find Charisma Carpenter. > :> > > > :> > > Thanks. I missed that. > :> > > > :> > > > She also recently did a photoshoot for Playboy. Her breasts look > :fake. > :> > > > :> > > I saw the Playboy spead and they look pretty real to me. > :> > > > :> > > > And she also looks bigger than earlier photos of her. > :> > > > :> > > So does my sister and she's never had implants. > :> > > :> > EEEEEEEWWWWW!!!!!! Your own sister??!!!? > :> > > :> > Dude, your own immediate family and sex do not mix. > :> > :> Where the hell are you getting "sex" from any of this? > : > :That you would even notice your own sisters breasts, much less able to make > :comparisons . . . that's just wrong. That's like saying a member of your > :immediate family is hot. > > You know, a person can understand that someone is hot or attractive in general > without wanting to have sex or being sexually attractive to them. Outside of your immediate family. But there's a zone, an aura, a field of negation, around your own immediate family. > On second thought, apparently you don't know that. > -- Are your grandparents "hot"? -- Ken from Chicago

2004-06-26 13:37:50-07:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Anton Sherwood <news@ogre.nu>)


>>>> Heljar Grimstad wrote: >>>>> And she also looks bigger than earlier photos of her. >>>"BTR1701" wrote >>>> So does my sister and she's never had implants. Likewise my ex. >> "Ken from Chicago" wrote: >>> EEEEEEEWWWWW!!!!!! Your own sister??!!!? >>> Dude, your own immediate family and sex do not mix. > "BTR1701" wrote >> Where the hell are you getting "sex" from any of this? Ken from Chicago wrote: > That you would even notice your own sisters breasts, > much less able to make comparisons . . . that's just wrong. > That's like saying a member of your immediate family is hot. Bottle baby? Strict church? If you were to gain or lose thirty pounds, or change your hairstyle, would you expect your siblings to be blind to the fact? Everyone's sister has breasts. Not having a rough idea of their size would be like not knowing what the weather is like in one's hometown. -- Anton Sherwood (prepend "1" to address) http://www.ogre.nu/

2004-06-26 13:40:29+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (3D Master <3d.master@chello.nl>)


Heljar Grimstad wrote: > On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 22:43:37 GMT, Mark Nobles > <cmn-nospam@houston.rr.com> wrote: > > >>Having a kid will do that to a woman. > > > Yes. But this was march last year. They don't stay big forever. > But, 1 year and a couple of months isn't that long a time either. Not long at all. They grow bigger mostly because they get filled with milk. If the woman stops giving breast feeding, but the body would continue producing milk - let's just say I have yet to see exploding breasts with milk spraying about - the body simply stops milk production and reabsorbs the milk back, thus grow less big again. But as long as the woman breasts feeds her children regularly her body will continue to produce the milk required. So if she's still breast feeding, those breasts would be filled with milk, in fact women can continue to produce milk for years and years, IIRC the record before a women stopped breast feeding with one child is about four years, if she gets new children in the meantime she'll continue to produce milk long after that. 3D Master -- ~~~~~ "I've got something to say; it's better to burn out than to fade away!" - The Kurgan, Highlander "Give me some sugar, baby!" - Ashley J. 'Ash' Williams, Army of Darkness ~~~~~ Author of several stories, which can be found here: http://members.chello.nl/~jg.temolder1/

2004-06-26 14:15:57-07:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Mark Jones <sinanju@pacifier.com>)


Mike Craney <mcraney@hotop.com>, on or about Sat, 26 Jun 2004 18:08:19 GMT, did you or did you not state: >> And its this "forced" uniformatity that is making women in particular in Hollywood >> look more and more "boring". Same sharper nose, same bigger tits, same smaller waist, >> same bigger lips, same skinny arms and legs, etc. Sad. > >Sad for who? Sad for everyone (except the plastic surgeons, I suppose). >The reason there's a "forced" uniformity in Hollywood and in other such >matters is because what both men and women percieve as atractive is >indeed rather uniform. Google "fibonacci ratio beauty" or "fibonoacci >ratio facial" for info. Attractive women come in lots of shapes and sizes and varieties of eyes, noses, mouths, etc. What _I_ think is going on is that beautiful women are available in truckload lots in Hollywood. Just being beautiful isn't enough--so everyone is chasing a chimera, trying to be closer to some mythical ideal than anyone else. It doesn't matter whether that ideal is based on what a handful of powerful men personally find most appealing or on some mathematical formula. It's stupid and destructive. I've seen more than a few young women appear in movies for the first time and they were drop-dead gorgeous. And then I've watched them starve themselves or get made over with swollen lips and pared down noses and whatnot, and turn themselves into more extruded fantasy project. It _is_ sad. -- "Just because you are a character, that doesn't mean you _have_ character." -- Mr. Wolf, _Pulp Fiction_

2004-06-26 14:50:10+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (tsd@rygar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu)


In article <BTR1702-89C8DB.08572826062004@news.west.earthlink.net>, BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: :In article <Ek7Dc.74$Nx1.41@fe2.columbus.rr.com>, Richard Edwards :<riche@pobox.com> wrote: : :> BTR1701 wrote: :> > In article <807pd0t84ansfpt64r8glegqm0o9ip6dqq@4ax.com>, Heljar :> > Grimstad <heljar.grimstadNO@SPAMchello.no> wrote: :> > :> > :> >>On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:40:12 GMT, BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> :> >>wrote: :> >> :> >> :> >>>I scrolled all the way down and don't see anything about Charisma. It :> >>>ends with Toni Braxton's new nose. :> >> :> >>On the right side of the page there's a whole bunch of links.Under :> >>Articles and Good Breast Surgery you can find Charisma Carpenter. :> > :> > :> > Thanks. I missed that. :> > :> > :> >>She also recently did a photoshoot for Playboy. Her breasts look fake. :> > :> > :> > I saw the Playboy spead and they look pretty real to me. :> > :> > :> >>And she also looks bigger than earlier photos of her. :> > :> > :> > So does my sister and she's never had implants. :> :> So what's you're ultimate guess? She has either had them or not. What :> do you think? : :I take her at word until there's reason to do otherwise. Ditto. Charisma Carpenter herself said she never had implants and this website, at best, is poor evidence of the contrary. --

2004-06-26 14:56:11+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (tsd@rygar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu)


In article <tKudnXzxktmdrUDdRVn-sA@comcast.com>, Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: : :"BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message :news:BTR1702-4DA971.18295525062004@news.west.earthlink.net... :> In article <807pd0t84ansfpt64r8glegqm0o9ip6dqq@4ax.com>, Heljar :> Grimstad <heljar.grimstadNO@SPAMchello.no> wrote: :> :> > On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:40:12 GMT, BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> :> > wrote: :> > :> > >I scrolled all the way down and don't see anything about Charisma. It :> > >ends with Toni Braxton's new nose. :> > :> > On the right side of the page there's a whole bunch of links.Under :> > Articles and Good Breast Surgery you can find Charisma Carpenter. :> :> Thanks. I missed that. :> :> > She also recently did a photoshoot for Playboy. Her breasts look fake. :> :> I saw the Playboy spead and they look pretty real to me. :> :> > And she also looks bigger than earlier photos of her. :> :> So does my sister and she's never had implants. : :EEEEEEEWWWWW!!!!!! Your own sister??!!!? : :Dude, your own immediate family and sex do not mix. Oh good grief! It's so true sometimes that the only exercise some people get is jumping to conclusions. :That way lies madness. As you've just demonstrated. --

2004-06-26 15:00:22+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (tsd@rygar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu)


In article <oP-dncE4O9F37kDdRVn-uA@comcast.com>, Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: : :"BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message :news:BTR1702-700875.08563626062004@news.west.earthlink.net... :> In article <tKudnXzxktmdrUDdRVn-sA@comcast.com>, "Ken from Chicago" :> <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: :> :> > "BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message :> > news:BTR1702-4DA971.18295525062004@news.west.earthlink.net... :> > > In article <807pd0t84ansfpt64r8glegqm0o9ip6dqq@4ax.com>, Heljar :> > > Grimstad <heljar.grimstadNO@SPAMchello.no> wrote: :> > > :> > > > On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:40:12 GMT, BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> :> > > > wrote: :> > > > :> > > > >I scrolled all the way down and don't see anything about Charisma. :It :> > > > >ends with Toni Braxton's new nose. :> > > > :> > > > On the right side of the page there's a whole bunch of links.Under :> > > > Articles and Good Breast Surgery you can find Charisma Carpenter. :> > > :> > > Thanks. I missed that. :> > > :> > > > She also recently did a photoshoot for Playboy. Her breasts look :fake. :> > > :> > > I saw the Playboy spead and they look pretty real to me. :> > > :> > > > And she also looks bigger than earlier photos of her. :> > > :> > > So does my sister and she's never had implants. :> > :> > EEEEEEEWWWWW!!!!!! Your own sister??!!!? :> > :> > Dude, your own immediate family and sex do not mix. :> :> Where the hell are you getting "sex" from any of this? : :That you would even notice your own sisters breasts, much less able to make :comparisons . . . that's just wrong. That's like saying a member of your :immediate family is hot. You know, a person can understand that someone is hot or attractive in general without wanting to have sex or being sexually attractive to them. On second thought, apparently you don't know that. --

2004-06-26 15:06:11+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (tsd@rygar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu)


In article <forge-86E6AC.09394226062004@comcast.dca.giganews.com>, forge <forge@diespammers.youneedageek.com> wrote: :In article <BTR1702-4DA971.18295525062004@news.west.earthlink.net>, : BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: : :> I saw the Playboy spead and they look pretty real to me. : :There was an outtake that had her lying flat on her back and they were :still sticking straight up. But I stand by my earlier post - even if :they're implants, she looks great with them, so what's the big deal? The big deal is that Charisma Carpenter has said point blank that she doesn't have implants and that some people, such as yourself, insist she's lying. And the evidence that has been cited to support this contention has been dubious, at best. --

2004-06-26 15:21:48+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (tsd@rygar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu)


In article <3O-dnYzqMfHxrEDdRVn-tw@comcast.com>, Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: : :"nimue" <cup_o_cakesNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message :news:mpKCc.233936$WA4.224618@twister.nyc.rr.com... :> For those who are interested, there is a before-and-after image of :Charisma :> Carpenter and her implants at the bottom of this page. Just scroll down. :> http://www.goodplasticsurgery.com/ :> :> -- :> nimue :> :> "If I had created reality television I would have had a much greater :> influence, :> but then I would have had to KILL MYSELF." :> Joss Whedon :> :> : :First of all, the implants, unneeded--at least in RL. Charisma works in :Hollywood so YMMV. : :More importantly, the rhinoplasty has to be stopped. Sheesh, people with :perfectly decent noses are being tricked into going under the knife for an :arbitrarily "better" noses. And its this "forced" uniformatity that is making women in particular in Hollywood look more and more "boring". Same sharper nose, same bigger tits, same smaller waist, same bigger lips, same skinny arms and legs, etc. Sad. --

2004-06-26 16:17:59+02:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Heljar Grimstad <heljar.grimstadNO@SPAMchello.no>)


On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 13:40:29 GMT, 3D Master <3d.master@chello.nl> wrote: >Not long at all. They grow bigger mostly because they get filled with >milk. If the woman stops giving breast feeding, but the body would >continue producing milk - let's just say I have yet to see exploding >breasts with milk spraying about - the body simply stops milk production >and reabsorbs the milk back, thus grow less big again. I don't think it's the milk itself that makes the breasts bigger. When the woman gets pregnant the breast starts to grow. Even if it's months before she has to breastfeed her baby they're still bigger. -- Heljar Grimstad

2004-06-26 17:10:22+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (3D Master <3d.master@chello.nl>)


st wrote: > On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 16:17:59 +0200, Heljar Grimstad > <heljar.grimstadNO@SPAMchello.no> wrote: > > >>I don't think it's the milk itself that makes the breasts bigger. When >>the woman gets pregnant the breast starts to grow. Even if it's months >>before she has to breastfeed her baby they're still bigger. > > > This is true, breast size is entirely dependant on fatty tissue, not > the size of the gland that produces milk. When a woman gets pregnant > her hormone levels change drastically. This is what causes the 'fat > distribution' to change, in some women. Others, not so much. > > Large breasts can actually be a hindrance to breast feeding. > > Lactation stops when the 'sucking' stops. Women's nipples are very > sensitive to this and can even discharge small amounts of fluid before > a woman gets pregnant, if the nipples are stimulated. Yep, but milk is still part of the size, after all, there has to be some milk in rserve, or they wouldn't be able to produce milk instantly when a baby starts sucking. Either way, the glands are larger during milk production phases, and that can last years. 3D Master -- ~~~~~ "I've got something to say; it's better to burn out than to fade away!" - The Kurgan, Highlander "Give me some sugar, baby!" - Ashley J. 'Ash' Williams, Army of Darkness ~~~~~ Author of several stories, which can be found here: http://members.chello.nl/~jg.temolder1/

2004-06-26 17:59:14-07:00 - Re: CC's implants - (cup_o_cakes@yahoo.com)


tsd@rygar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu (Tammy Stephanie Davis) wrote in message news:<DhgDc.511$gs.8024@news.itd.umich.edu>... > In article <forge-86E6AC.09394226062004@comcast.dca.giganews.com>, > forge <forge@diespammers.youneedageek.com> wrote: > :In article <BTR1702-4DA971.18295525062004@news.west.earthlink.net>, > : BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > : > :> I saw the Playboy spead and they look pretty real to me. > : > :There was an outtake that had her lying flat on her back and they were > :still sticking straight up. But I stand by my earlier post - even if > :they're implants, she looks great with them, so what's the big deal? > > The big deal is that Charisma Carpenter has said point blank that > she doesn't have implants and that some people, such as yourself, > insist she's lying. And the evidence that has been cited to support > this contention has been dubious, at best. No offense, but the pictures of CC clearly show that she has implants. Anyone who knows anything about implants -- and boy, do I know A LOT about implants -- can tell just by looking at her that she has them. Implants do not look like real breasts. I know many women who have had implants and I lived in girl's dorms long enough to know what real breasts look like -- not to mention my years on the swim team and at summer camp. It's easy to tell the difference. > --

2004-06-26 18:08:19+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Mike Craney <mcraney@hotop.com>)


In article <gwgDc.512$gs.8067@news.itd.umich.edu>, tsd@rygar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu says... > In article <3O-dnYzqMfHxrEDdRVn-tw@comcast.com>, > Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: > : > :"nimue" <cup_o_cakesNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message > :news:mpKCc.233936$WA4.224618@twister.nyc.rr.com... > :> For those who are interested, there is a before-and-after image of > :Charisma > :> Carpenter and her implants at the bottom of this page. Just scroll down. > :> http://www.goodplasticsurgery.com/ > :> > :> -- > :> nimue > :> > :> "If I had created reality television I would have had a much greater > :> influence, > :> but then I would have had to KILL MYSELF." > :> Joss Whedon > :> > :> > : > :First of all, the implants, unneeded--at least in RL. Charisma works in > :Hollywood so YMMV. > : > :More importantly, the rhinoplasty has to be stopped. Sheesh, people with > :perfectly decent noses are being tricked into going under the knife for an > :arbitrarily "better" noses. > > And its this "forced" uniformatity that is making women in particular in Hollywood > look more and more "boring". Same sharper nose, same bigger tits, same smaller waist, > same bigger lips, same skinny arms and legs, etc. Sad. Sad for who? The reason there's a "forced" uniformity in Hollywood and in other such matters is because what both men and women percieve as atractive is indeed rather uniform. Google "fibonacci ratio beauty" or "fibonoacci ratio facial" for info. Mike >

2004-06-26 18:16:58-05:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"st" <striketoo@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:ccuqd0ddoavhirs72vjo05i4rdpds7ufbe@4ax.com... > On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 08:02:33 -0500, "Ken from Chicago" > <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: > > >That's like saying a member of your > >immediate family is hot. > > So there are no hot members in your immediate family? I wouldn't know, one way or another. I don't see them that way. Occassionally, they may look sharp, well-dressed or even pretty, but not "hot". > Sounds unfortunate. Genes can be cruel. > > st > > -- > Bad people are punished by society's law > And good people are punished by murphy's law > GL,DLM -- Ken from Chicago

2004-06-26 18:19:01+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (angiedeiuvia@aol.computer)


<< And its this "forced" uniformatity that is making women in particular in Hollywood look more and more "boring". Same sharper nose, same bigger tits, same smaller waist, same bigger lips, same skinny arms and legs, etc. Sad. >><BR><BR> That's one of the reasons I wanna work behind the camera. Don't have to change myself for it, only wanna change myself for medicle reasons. Like Lasiks and a Breast Reduction. Mandi The fish Girl "I saw Fish" "Hey it's the Fish Girl!"

2004-06-26 18:22:11-05:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"Anton Sherwood" <news@ogre.nu> wrote in message news:10drnkfpckh946d@corp.supernews.com... > >>>> Heljar Grimstad wrote: > >>>>> And she also looks bigger than earlier photos of her. > > >>>"BTR1701" wrote > >>>> So does my sister and she's never had implants. > > Likewise my ex. > > >> "Ken from Chicago" wrote: > >>> EEEEEEEWWWWW!!!!!! Your own sister??!!!? > >>> Dude, your own immediate family and sex do not mix. > > > "BTR1701" wrote > >> Where the hell are you getting "sex" from any of this? > > Ken from Chicago wrote: > > That you would even notice your own sisters breasts, > > much less able to make comparisons . . . that's just wrong. > > That's like saying a member of your immediate family is hot. > > Bottle baby? Strict church? Irrelevant. > If you were to gain or lose thirty pounds, or change your hairstyle, > would you expect your siblings to be blind to the fact? Sure, if I had siblings, I'm sure they'd notice, but I'd be more than a little weirded out if they thought I was "hot"--or vice versa. > Everyone's sister has breasts. Not having a rough idea of their size > would be like not knowing what the weather is like in one's hometown. Only if there was a big difference, and then only to make fun of them--as required by SIBLING LAW. > -- > Anton Sherwood (prepend "1" to address) > http://www.ogre.nu/ -- Ken from Chicago

2004-06-26 18:27:00-05:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"Mike Craney" <mcraney@hotop.com> wrote in message news:MPG.1b47777b2c3e642398971a@news-server.houston.rr.com... > In article <gwgDc.512$gs.8067@news.itd.umich.edu>, > tsd@rygar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu says... > > In article <3O-dnYzqMfHxrEDdRVn-tw@comcast.com>, > > Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: > > : > > :"nimue" <cup_o_cakesNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > :news:mpKCc.233936$WA4.224618@twister.nyc.rr.com... > > :> For those who are interested, there is a before-and-after image of > > :Charisma > > :> Carpenter and her implants at the bottom of this page. Just scroll down. > > :> http://www.goodplasticsurgery.com/ > > :> > > :> -- > > :> nimue > > :> > > :> "If I had created reality television I would have had a much greater > > :> influence, > > :> but then I would have had to KILL MYSELF." > > :> Joss Whedon > > :> > > :> > > : > > :First of all, the implants, unneeded--at least in RL. Charisma works in > > :Hollywood so YMMV. > > : > > :More importantly, the rhinoplasty has to be stopped. Sheesh, people with > > :perfectly decent noses are being tricked into going under the knife for an > > :arbitrarily "better" noses. > > > > And its this "forced" uniformatity that is making women in particular in Hollywood > > look more and more "boring". Same sharper nose, same bigger tits, same smaller waist, > > same bigger lips, same skinny arms and legs, etc. Sad. > > Sad for who? > > The reason there's a "forced" uniformity in Hollywood and in other such > matters is because what both men and women percieve as atractive is > indeed rather uniform. Google "fibonacci ratio beauty" or "fibonoacci > ratio facial" for info. > > Mike "Attractiveness" comes in a vast spectrum, not a niche. It's certainly not Hollywood's rather microscopic niche. -- Ken from Chicago

2004-06-26 18:27:49-05:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"The Fish Girl" <angiedeiuvia@aol.computer> wrote in message news:20040626141901.19157.00000695@mb-m06.aol.com... > << And its this "forced" uniformatity that is making women in particular in > Hollywood look more and more "boring". Same sharper nose, same bigger tits, > same smaller waist, same bigger lips, same skinny arms and legs, etc. Sad. > >><BR><BR> > > That's one of the reasons I wanna work behind the camera. Don't have to change > myself for it, only wanna change myself for medicle reasons. Like Lasiks and a > Breast Reduction. > > > Mandi > The fish Girl > "I saw Fish" > "Hey it's the Fish Girl!" Why would you want breast reduction? -- Ken from Chicago

2004-06-26 22:51:16+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (tsd@zektor.gpcc.itd.umich.edu)


In article <VdqdnRpEesxxJkDdRVn-hw@comcast.com>, Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: : :"Tammy Stephanie Davis" <tsd@rygar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu> wrote in message :news:acgDc.510$gs.7852@news.itd.umich.edu... :> In article <oP-dncE4O9F37kDdRVn-uA@comcast.com>, :> Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: :> : :> :"BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message :> :news:BTR1702-700875.08563626062004@news.west.earthlink.net... :> :> In article <tKudnXzxktmdrUDdRVn-sA@comcast.com>, "Ken from Chicago" :> :> <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: :> :> :> :> > "BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message :> :> > news:BTR1702-4DA971.18295525062004@news.west.earthlink.net... :> :> > > In article <807pd0t84ansfpt64r8glegqm0o9ip6dqq@4ax.com>, Heljar :> :> > > Grimstad <heljar.grimstadNO@SPAMchello.no> wrote: :> :> > > :> :> > > > On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:40:12 GMT, BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> :> :> > > > wrote: :> :> > > > :> :> > > > >I scrolled all the way down and don't see anything about :Charisma. :> :It :> :> > > > >ends with Toni Braxton's new nose. :> :> > > > :> :> > > > On the right side of the page there's a whole bunch of :links.Under :> :> > > > Articles and Good Breast Surgery you can find Charisma Carpenter. :> :> > > :> :> > > Thanks. I missed that. :> :> > > :> :> > > > She also recently did a photoshoot for Playboy. Her breasts look :> :fake. :> :> > > :> :> > > I saw the Playboy spead and they look pretty real to me. :> :> > > :> :> > > > And she also looks bigger than earlier photos of her. :> :> > > :> :> > > So does my sister and she's never had implants. :> :> > :> :> > EEEEEEEWWWWW!!!!!! Your own sister??!!!? :> :> > :> :> > Dude, your own immediate family and sex do not mix. :> :> :> :> Where the hell are you getting "sex" from any of this? :> : :> :That you would even notice your own sisters breasts, much less able to :make :> :comparisons . . . that's just wrong. That's like saying a member of your :> :immediate family is hot. :> :> You know, a person can understand that someone is hot or attractive in :general :> without wanting to have sex or being sexually attractive to them. : :Outside of your immediate family. But there's a zone, an aura, a field of :negation, around your own immediate family. And what does this have to do with a brother knowing his sister's breasts have gotten bigger over the years? It never occured to you that he came about this knowledge by overhearing her tell someone else? Or that the change was dramatic enough that he couldn't help but notice? No, you just gave a big EWWWW! as if the only way the man could know is if he copped a feel of his sister's chest. :> On second thought, apparently you don't know that. : :Are your grandparents "hot"? No. They're dead. --

2004-06-26 23:15:29+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (tsd@zektor.gpcc.itd.umich.edu)


In article <MPG.1b47777b2c3e642398971a@news-server.houston.rr.com>, Mike Craney <mcraney@hotop.com> wrote: :In article <gwgDc.512$gs.8067@news.itd.umich.edu>, :tsd@rygar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu says... :> In article <3O-dnYzqMfHxrEDdRVn-tw@comcast.com>, :> Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: :> : :> :"nimue" <cup_o_cakesNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message :> :news:mpKCc.233936$WA4.224618@twister.nyc.rr.com... :> :> For those who are interested, there is a before-and-after image of :> :Charisma :> :> Carpenter and her implants at the bottom of this page. Just scroll down. :> :> http://www.goodplasticsurgery.com/ :> :> :> :> -- :> :> nimue :> :> :> :> "If I had created reality television I would have had a much greater :> :> influence, :> :> but then I would have had to KILL MYSELF." :> :> Joss Whedon :> :> :> :> :> : :> :First of all, the implants, unneeded--at least in RL. Charisma works in :> :Hollywood so YMMV. :> : :> :More importantly, the rhinoplasty has to be stopped. Sheesh, people with :> :perfectly decent noses are being tricked into going under the knife for an :> :arbitrarily "better" noses. :> :> And its this "forced" uniformatity that is making women in particular in Hollywood :> look more and more "boring". Same sharper nose, same bigger tits, same smaller waist, :> same bigger lips, same skinny arms and legs, etc. Sad. : :Sad for who? Everybody. No matter how much one may enjoy seeing something, seeing the same thing - and only that thing - over and over and over and over again is boring. :The reason there's a "forced" uniformity in Hollywood and in other such :matters is because what both men and women percieve as atractive is :indeed rather uniform. Wrong. What is considered attractive varies at times dramatically across culture, race, even religion. African American men, for example, in general perfer women on the cubby size (or as perceived by Hollywood "fat.") --

2004-06-26 23:16:28-04:00 - Re: CC's implants - (TomTraubertsBlues <silentsaregolden@comcast.net>)


"Tammy Stephanie Davis" <tsd@rygar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu> wrote in message news:DhgDc.511$gs.8024@news.itd.umich.edu... > In article <forge-86E6AC.09394226062004@comcast.dca.giganews.com>, > forge <forge@diespammers.youneedageek.com> wrote: > :In article <BTR1702-4DA971.18295525062004@news.west.earthlink.net>, > : BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > : > :> I saw the Playboy spead and they look pretty real to me. > : > :There was an outtake that had her lying flat on her back and they were > :still sticking straight up. But I stand by my earlier post - even if > :they're implants, she looks great with them, so what's the big deal? > > The big deal is that Charisma Carpenter has said point blank that > she doesn't have implants and that some people, such as yourself, > insist she's lying. And the evidence that has been cited to support > this contention has been dubious, at best. All you have to do is see her in either her Baywatch episode, or the series she did before Buffy to tell that she has had implants. It's very obvious. Mike

2004-06-27 00:00:20+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Sandra S <sandora@verizon.net>)


On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 00:33:22 GMT, nimue <cup_o_cakesNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote: > For those who are interested, there is a before-and-after image of > Charisma > Carpenter and her implants at the bottom of this page. Just scroll down. > http://www.goodplasticsurgery.com/ > I didn't think it was any secret that Charisma Carpenter had implants. In any case, this is so ordinary in H'wood that it hardly rates a mention. Sandra

2004-06-27 00:01:21+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Sandra S <sandora@verizon.net>)


On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 15:21:48 GMT, Tammy Stephanie Davis <tsd@rygar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu> wrote: > > And its this "forced" uniformatity that is making women in particular in > Hollywood > look more and more "boring". Same sharper nose, same bigger tits, same > smaller waist, same bigger lips, same skinny arms and legs, etc. Sad. -- I know what you eman- every starlet looks like Barbie! Sandra

2004-06-27 01:00:15-04:00 - Re: CC's implants - (The Babaloughesian <me@privacy.net>)


"nimue" <cup_o_cakesNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:mpKCc.233936$WA4.224618@twister.nyc.rr.com... > For those who are interested, there is a before-and-after image of Charisma > Carpenter and her implants at the bottom of this page. Just scroll down. > http://www.goodplasticsurgery.com/ Damnit, I liked Christina Aguilera's nose before the surgery. Ashlee Simpson's, too.

2004-06-27 01:25:02-05:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"Tammy Stephanie Davis" <tsd@zektor.gpcc.itd.umich.edu> wrote in message news:E5nDc.513$gs.8240@news.itd.umich.edu... > In article <VdqdnRpEesxxJkDdRVn-hw@comcast.com>, > Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: > : > :"Tammy Stephanie Davis" <tsd@rygar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu> wrote in message > :news:acgDc.510$gs.7852@news.itd.umich.edu... > :> In article <oP-dncE4O9F37kDdRVn-uA@comcast.com>, > :> Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: > :> : > :> :"BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message > :> :news:BTR1702-700875.08563626062004@news.west.earthlink.net... > :> :> In article <tKudnXzxktmdrUDdRVn-sA@comcast.com>, "Ken from Chicago" > :> :> <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: > :> :> > :> :> > "BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message > :> :> > news:BTR1702-4DA971.18295525062004@news.west.earthlink.net... > :> :> > > In article <807pd0t84ansfpt64r8glegqm0o9ip6dqq@4ax.com>, Heljar > :> :> > > Grimstad <heljar.grimstadNO@SPAMchello.no> wrote: > :> :> > > > :> :> > > > On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:40:12 GMT, BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> > :> :> > > > wrote: > :> :> > > > > :> :> > > > >I scrolled all the way down and don't see anything about > :Charisma. > :> :It > :> :> > > > >ends with Toni Braxton's new nose. > :> :> > > > > :> :> > > > On the right side of the page there's a whole bunch of > :links.Under > :> :> > > > Articles and Good Breast Surgery you can find Charisma Carpenter. > :> :> > > > :> :> > > Thanks. I missed that. > :> :> > > > :> :> > > > She also recently did a photoshoot for Playboy. Her breasts look > :> :fake. > :> :> > > > :> :> > > I saw the Playboy spead and they look pretty real to me. > :> :> > > > :> :> > > > And she also looks bigger than earlier photos of her. > :> :> > > > :> :> > > So does my sister and she's never had implants. > :> :> > > :> :> > EEEEEEEWWWWW!!!!!! Your own sister??!!!? > :> :> > > :> :> > Dude, your own immediate family and sex do not mix. > :> :> > :> :> Where the hell are you getting "sex" from any of this? > :> : > :> :That you would even notice your own sisters breasts, much less able to > :make > :> :comparisons . . . that's just wrong. That's like saying a member of your > :> :immediate family is hot. > :> > :> You know, a person can understand that someone is hot or attractive in > :general > :> without wanting to have sex or being sexually attractive to them. > : > :Outside of your immediate family. But there's a zone, an aura, a field of > :negation, around your own immediate family. > > And what does this have to do with a brother knowing his sister's breasts > have gotten bigger over the years? It never occured to you that he came > about this knowledge by overhearing her tell someone else? Oh, it hadn't. If that's the case, then you're right and I'm wrong. Or that the > change was dramatic enough that he couldn't help but notice? No, you > just gave a big EWWWW! as if the only way the man could know is if he > copped a feel of his sister's chest. EEEEEEWWWW!!!! Now who's the sicko? I was just thinking he was looking at her, not groping her. Sheesh. Get your mind out of the gutter. > :> On second thought, apparently you don't know that. > : > :Are your grandparents "hot"? > > No. They're dead. > -- -- Ken from Chicago (g, d and so r!)

2004-06-27 01:32:24-05:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:BTR1702-C00124.22404626062004@news.west.earthlink.net... > In article <iN6dnSoq66S5mEPd4p2dnA@comcast.com>, "Ken from Chicago" > <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: > > > "Anton Sherwood" <news@ogre.nu> wrote in message > > news:10drnkfpckh946d@corp.supernews.com... > > > >>>> Heljar Grimstad wrote: > > > >>>>> And she also looks bigger than earlier photos of her. > > > > > > >>>"BTR1701" wrote > > > >>>> So does my sister and she's never had implants. > > > > > > Likewise my ex. > > > > > > >> "Ken from Chicago" wrote: > > > >>> EEEEEEEWWWWW!!!!!! Your own sister??!!!? > > > >>> Dude, your own immediate family and sex do not mix. > > > > > > > "BTR1701" wrote > > > >> Where the hell are you getting "sex" from any of this? > > > > > > Ken from Chicago wrote: > > > > That you would even notice your own sisters breasts, > > > > much less able to make comparisons . . . that's just wrong. > > > > That's like saying a member of your immediate family is hot. > > > > > > Bottle baby? Strict church? > > > > Irrelevant. > > > > > If you were to gain or lose thirty pounds, or change your hairstyle, > > > would you expect your siblings to be blind to the fact? > > > > Sure, if I had siblings, I'm sure they'd notice, but I'd be more than a > > little weirded out if they thought I was "hot"--or vice versa. > > You're a real moron, you know that? I never said I thought my sister is > "hot". Although judging by the number of guys who have asked me over the > years to set them up with her, she must be somewhat attractive. PRECISELY MY POINT! Not that I'm a moron, but that OTHER GUYS can think of your sister as "hot" while at best you can think of her as "pretty". There's a mental "circuit breaker" that prevents you, and normal people, from thinking of their own siblings or immediate family members, as "hot". The alternative leads to madness, inbreeding or royalty (no offense, United Kingdom, at least you don't have massive murder rates). -- Ken from Chicago

2004-06-27 01:34:17-05:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:BTR1702-ABEACF.22383126062004@news.west.earthlink.net... > In article <oP-dncE4O9F37kDdRVn-uA@comcast.com>, "Ken from Chicago" > <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: > > > "BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message > > news:BTR1702-700875.08563626062004@news.west.earthlink.net... > > > In article <tKudnXzxktmdrUDdRVn-sA@comcast.com>, "Ken from Chicago" > > > <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: > > > > > > > "BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message > > > > news:BTR1702-4DA971.18295525062004@news.west.earthlink.net... > > > > > In article <807pd0t84ansfpt64r8glegqm0o9ip6dqq@4ax.com>, Heljar > > > > > Grimstad <heljar.grimstadNO@SPAMchello.no> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:40:12 GMT, BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >I scrolled all the way down and don't see anything about > > > > > > >Charisma. It ends with Toni Braxton's new nose. > > > > > > > > > > > > On the right side of the page there's a whole bunch of > > > > > > links.Under Articles and Good Breast Surgery you can find > > > > > > Charisma Carpenter. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. I missed that. > > > > > > > > > > > She also recently did a photoshoot for Playboy. Her breasts look fake. > > > > > > > > > > I saw the Playboy spead and they look pretty real to me. > > > > > > > > > > > And she also looks bigger than earlier photos of her. > > > > > > > > > > So does my sister and she's never had implants. > > > > > > > > EEEEEEEWWWWW!!!!!! Your own sister??!!!? > > > > > > > > Dude, your own immediate family and sex do not mix. > > > > > > Where the hell are you getting "sex" from any of this? > > > > That you would even notice your own sisters breasts, much less able to > > make comparisons . . . that's just wrong. That's like saying a member of your > > immediate family is hot. > > What the hell? Are you serious? I really hope you're joking. If not, you > need to fucking grow the hell up. Moi? joking? how DARE you?! How DARE you insult my serious good name with such ... trivolities?! -- Serious Ken from Chicago

2004-06-27 02:37:57+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <oP-dncE4O9F37kDdRVn-uA@comcast.com>, "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: > "BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message > news:BTR1702-700875.08563626062004@news.west.earthlink.net... > > In article <tKudnXzxktmdrUDdRVn-sA@comcast.com>, "Ken from Chicago" > > <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: > > > > > "BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message > > > news:BTR1702-4DA971.18295525062004@news.west.earthlink.net... > > > > In article <807pd0t84ansfpt64r8glegqm0o9ip6dqq@4ax.com>, Heljar > > > > Grimstad <heljar.grimstadNO@SPAMchello.no> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:40:12 GMT, BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >I scrolled all the way down and don't see anything about > > > > > >Charisma. It ends with Toni Braxton's new nose. > > > > > > > > > > On the right side of the page there's a whole bunch of > > > > > links.Under Articles and Good Breast Surgery you can find > > > > > Charisma Carpenter. > > > > > > > > Thanks. I missed that. > > > > > > > > > She also recently did a photoshoot for Playboy. Her breasts look fake. > > > > > > > > I saw the Playboy spead and they look pretty real to me. > > > > > > > > > And she also looks bigger than earlier photos of her. > > > > > > > > So does my sister and she's never had implants. > > > > > > EEEEEEEWWWWW!!!!!! Your own sister??!!!? > > > > > > Dude, your own immediate family and sex do not mix. > > > > Where the hell are you getting "sex" from any of this? > > That you would even notice your own sisters breasts, much less able to > make comparisons . . . that's just wrong. That's like saying a member of your > immediate family is hot. What the hell? Are you serious? I really hope you're joking. If not, you need to fucking grow the hell up.

2004-06-27 02:40:13+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <iN6dnSoq66S5mEPd4p2dnA@comcast.com>, "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: > "Anton Sherwood" <news@ogre.nu> wrote in message > news:10drnkfpckh946d@corp.supernews.com... > > >>>> Heljar Grimstad wrote: > > >>>>> And she also looks bigger than earlier photos of her. > > > > >>>"BTR1701" wrote > > >>>> So does my sister and she's never had implants. > > > > Likewise my ex. > > > > >> "Ken from Chicago" wrote: > > >>> EEEEEEEWWWWW!!!!!! Your own sister??!!!? > > >>> Dude, your own immediate family and sex do not mix. > > > > > "BTR1701" wrote > > >> Where the hell are you getting "sex" from any of this? > > > > Ken from Chicago wrote: > > > That you would even notice your own sisters breasts, > > > much less able to make comparisons . . . that's just wrong. > > > That's like saying a member of your immediate family is hot. > > > > Bottle baby? Strict church? > > Irrelevant. > > > If you were to gain or lose thirty pounds, or change your hairstyle, > > would you expect your siblings to be blind to the fact? > > Sure, if I had siblings, I'm sure they'd notice, but I'd be more than a > little weirded out if they thought I was "hot"--or vice versa. You're a real moron, you know that? I never said I thought my sister is "hot". Although judging by the number of guys who have asked me over the years to set them up with her, she must be somewhat attractive.

2004-06-27 02:44:14-07:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Anton Sherwood <news@ogre.nu>)


> "Anton Sherwood" wrote >> Everyone's sister has breasts. Not having a rough idea of their size >> would be like not knowing what the weather is like in one's hometown. Ken from Chicago wrote: > Only if there was a big difference, and then only to make fun of them > --as required by SIBLING LAW. lol -- Anton Sherwood (prepend "1" to address) http://www.ogre.nu/

2004-06-27 03:17:04+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (tsd@rygar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu)


In article <opr977myxpjtszlz@news.verizon.net>, Sandra S <sandora@verizon.net> wrote: :On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 00:33:22 GMT, nimue <cup_o_cakesNOSPAM@yahoo.com> :wrote: : :> For those who are interested, there is a before-and-after image of :> Charisma :> Carpenter and her implants at the bottom of this page. Just scroll down. :> http://www.goodplasticsurgery.com/ :> : : : :I didn't think it was any secret that Charisma Carpenter had implants. :In any case, this is so ordinary in H'wood that it hardly rates a mention. Except that she has said point blank that she doesn't have implants. And as it has been mentioned before in this thread, these website pictures are dubious "proof", at best. --

2004-06-27 03:18:10+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (tsd@rygar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu)


In article <opr977oniijtszlz@news.verizon.net>, Sandra S <sandora@verizon.net> wrote: :On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 15:21:48 GMT, Tammy Stephanie Davis :<tsd@rygar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu> wrote: : : : :> :> And its this "forced" uniformatity that is making women in particular in :> Hollywood :> look more and more "boring". Same sharper nose, same bigger tits, same :> smaller waist, same bigger lips, same skinny arms and legs, etc. Sad. : :I know what you eman- every starlet looks like Barbie! Or is trying to. --

2004-06-27 03:59:20+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (tsd@rygar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu)


In article <7PmdndElqM-ToUPd4p2dnA@comcast.com>, TomTraubertsBlues <silentsaregolden@comcast.net> wrote: :"Tammy Stephanie Davis" <tsd@rygar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu> wrote in message :news:DhgDc.511$gs.8024@news.itd.umich.edu... :> In article <forge-86E6AC.09394226062004@comcast.dca.giganews.com>, :> forge <forge@diespammers.youneedageek.com> wrote: :> :In article <BTR1702-4DA971.18295525062004@news.west.earthlink.net>, :> : BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: :> : :> :> I saw the Playboy spead and they look pretty real to me. :> : :> :There was an outtake that had her lying flat on her back and they were :> :still sticking straight up. But I stand by my earlier post - even if :> :they're implants, she looks great with them, so what's the big deal? :> :> The big deal is that Charisma Carpenter has said point blank that :> she doesn't have implants and that some people, such as yourself, :> insist she's lying. And the evidence that has been cited to support :> this contention has been dubious, at best. : :All you have to do is see her in either her Baywatch episode, or the series :she did before Buffy to tell that she has had implants. It's very obvious. Then why in all the years that people have speculated about this on this newsgroup has no one provided a link to this very obvious evidence? Fact is, I've seen pictures of Ms. Carpenter's appearance on Baywatch wearing a bikini and between then and her first appearance on Buffy, I just don't see this dramatic, very obvious, "oh she's definitely has implants" difference at all. --

2004-06-27 07:43:37-05:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"nimue" <cup_o_cakes@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:d394a7d.0406261659.137e95dc@posting.google.com... > tsd@rygar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu (Tammy Stephanie Davis) wrote in message news:<DhgDc.511$gs.8024@news.itd.umich.edu>... > > In article <forge-86E6AC.09394226062004@comcast.dca.giganews.com>, > > forge <forge@diespammers.youneedageek.com> wrote: > > :In article <BTR1702-4DA971.18295525062004@news.west.earthlink.net>, > > : BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > : > > :> I saw the Playboy spead and they look pretty real to me. > > : > > :There was an outtake that had her lying flat on her back and they were > > :still sticking straight up. But I stand by my earlier post - even if > > :they're implants, she looks great with them, so what's the big deal? > > > > The big deal is that Charisma Carpenter has said point blank that > > she doesn't have implants and that some people, such as yourself, > > insist she's lying. And the evidence that has been cited to support > > this contention has been dubious, at best. > > No offense, but the pictures of CC clearly show that she has implants. > Anyone who knows anything about implants -- and boy, do I know A LOT > about implants -- can tell just by looking at her that she has them. > Implants do not look like real breasts. I know many women who have > had implants and I lived in girl's dorms long enough to know what real > breasts look like -- not to mention my years on the swim team and at > summer camp. It's easy to tell the difference. > > -- So in case of an emergency, they can be used as flotation devices? -- Ken from Chicago

2004-06-27 07:47:57-05:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"Tammy Stephanie Davis" <tsd@rygar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu> wrote in message news:sCrDc.518$gs.8070@news.itd.umich.edu... > In article <7PmdndElqM-ToUPd4p2dnA@comcast.com>, > TomTraubertsBlues <silentsaregolden@comcast.net> wrote: > :"Tammy Stephanie Davis" <tsd@rygar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu> wrote in message > :news:DhgDc.511$gs.8024@news.itd.umich.edu... > :> In article <forge-86E6AC.09394226062004@comcast.dca.giganews.com>, > :> forge <forge@diespammers.youneedageek.com> wrote: > :> :In article <BTR1702-4DA971.18295525062004@news.west.earthlink.net>, > :> : BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > :> : > :> :> I saw the Playboy spead and they look pretty real to me. > :> : > :> :There was an outtake that had her lying flat on her back and they were > :> :still sticking straight up. But I stand by my earlier post - even if > :> :they're implants, she looks great with them, so what's the big deal? > :> > :> The big deal is that Charisma Carpenter has said point blank that > :> she doesn't have implants and that some people, such as yourself, > :> insist she's lying. And the evidence that has been cited to support > :> this contention has been dubious, at best. > : > :All you have to do is see her in either her Baywatch episode, or the series > :she did before Buffy to tell that she has had implants. It's very obvious. > > Then why in all the years that people have speculated about this on this > newsgroup has no one provided a link to this very obvious evidence? > > Fact is, I've seen pictures of Ms. Carpenter's appearance on Baywatch > wearing a bikini and between then and her first appearance on Buffy, > I just don't see this dramatic, very obvious, "oh she's definitely has > implants" difference at all. > > -- Because Buffyfans and Angelfans had far more important tissues to discuss, B/A, B/X, W/X, W/O, X/F, B/R, X/A, B/S, the latest Whedon episodes, great quotes, great scenes, great songs, great villains, vampire biology, redemption, the nature of good and evil, etc., etc., etc. -- Ken from Chicago

2004-06-27 08:51:10-05:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"The Fish Girl" <angiedeiuvia@aol.computer> wrote in message news:20040627055059.19192.00000727@mb-m06.aol.com... > << Moi? joking? how DARE you?! How DARE you insult my serious good name with > such ... trivolities?! > > -- Serious Ken from Chicago >><BR><BR> > > Have we had our Prozac today Ken? ::Smirks.:: > > > Mandi > The fish Girl > "I saw Fish" > "Hey it's the Fish Girl!" Prozac? Are you insane? Studies show there's a risk of "unstable" even suicidal behavior. -- Serious Sane Prozac-Free Ken from Chicago

2004-06-27 08:55:40-05:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"The Fish Girl" <angiedeiuvia@aol.computer> wrote in message news:20040627054856.19192.00000726@mb-m06.aol.com... > << Why would you want breast reduction? > > -- Ken from Chicago > >><BR><BR> > > 44 DDD with back problems. Need to lose weight, and if my back problems don't > stop, breast reduction. > > > Mandi > The fish Girl > "I saw Fish" > "Hey it's the Fish Girl!" Oh. Okay. I suppose then breast reduction would be . . . good. -- Ken from Chicago (who struggles with the male resistance to the concept of breast reduction)

2004-06-27 09:48:56+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (angiedeiuvia@aol.computer)


<< Why would you want breast reduction? -- Ken from Chicago >><BR><BR> 44 DDD with back problems. Need to lose weight, and if my back problems don't stop, breast reduction. Mandi The fish Girl "I saw Fish" "Hey it's the Fish Girl!"

2004-06-27 09:50:59+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (angiedeiuvia@aol.computer)


<< Moi? joking? how DARE you?! How DARE you insult my serious good name with such ... trivolities?! -- Serious Ken from Chicago >><BR><BR> Have we had our Prozac today Ken? ::Smirks.:: Mandi The fish Girl "I saw Fish" "Hey it's the Fish Girl!"

2004-06-27 10:36:42+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (3D Master <3d.master@chello.nl>)


The Babaloughesian wrote: > "nimue" <cup_o_cakesNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:mpKCc.233936$WA4.224618@twister.nyc.rr.com... > >>For those who are interested, there is a before-and-after image of > > Charisma > >>Carpenter and her implants at the bottom of this page. Just scroll down. >>http://www.goodplasticsurgery.com/ > > > Damnit, I liked Christina Aguilera's nose before the surgery. Ashlee > Simpson's, too. Yeah, it's the big thing nobody really seems to notice: 90% of all plastic surgery leaves the person undergoing it looking less good or worse afterwards. And that's without the 'Look, I have no self-esteem' factor that SO turns me off. 3D Master -- ~~~~~ "I've got something to say; it's better to burn out than to fade away!" - The Kurgan, Highlander "Give me some sugar, baby!" - Ashley J. 'Ash' Williams, Army of Darkness ~~~~~ Author of several stories, which can be found here: http://members.chello.nl/~jg.temolder1/

2004-06-27 13:29:34-05:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:BTR1702-66EAD4.10213927062004@news.west.earthlink.net... > In article <EJednZpTN9Vn9EPdRVn-vA@comcast.com>, "Ken from Chicago" > <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: > > > "BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message > > news:BTR1702-C00124.22404626062004@news.west.earthlink.net... > > > In article <iN6dnSoq66S5mEPd4p2dnA@comcast.com>, "Ken from Chicago" > > > <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: > > > > > > > "Anton Sherwood" <news@ogre.nu> wrote in message > > > > news:10drnkfpckh946d@corp.supernews.com... > > > > > >>>> Heljar Grimstad wrote: > > > > > >>>>> And she also looks bigger than earlier photos of her. > > > > > > > > > > >>>"BTR1701" wrote > > > > > >>>> So does my sister and she's never had implants. > > > > > > > > > > Likewise my ex. > > > > > > > > > > >> "Ken from Chicago" wrote: > > > > > >>> EEEEEEEWWWWW!!!!!! Your own sister??!!!? > > > > > >>> Dude, your own immediate family and sex do not mix. > > > > > > > > > > > "BTR1701" wrote > > > > > >> Where the hell are you getting "sex" from any of this? > > > > > > > > > > Ken from Chicago wrote: > > > > > > That you would even notice your own sisters breasts, > > > > > > much less able to make comparisons . . . that's just wrong. > > > > > > That's like saying a member of your immediate family is hot. > > > > > > > > > > Bottle baby? Strict church? > > > > > > > > Irrelevant. > > > > > > > > > If you were to gain or lose thirty pounds, or change your > > > > > hairstyle, would you expect your siblings to be blind to the fact? > > > > > > > > Sure, if I had siblings, I'm sure they'd notice, but I'd be more than > > > > a little weirded out if they thought I was "hot"--or vice versa. > > > > > > You're a real moron, you know that? I never said I thought my sister is > > > "hot". Although judging by the number of guys who have asked me over > > > the years to set them up with her, she must be somewhat attractive. > > > > PRECISELY MY POINT! Not that I'm a moron, but that OTHER GUYS can think > > of your sister as "hot" while at best you can think of her as "pretty". > > I'll say it again since you don't seem to be getting it-- I never > claimed that I think of my sister as "hot". That's all been coming from > you, not me. Great. You've ruined the joke. Now people are gonna backtrack and see that you indeed merely referred to the size of your sister's breasts; that it was I who conflating the issue for the same of a lame joke. Meanwhile you've straightened out the issue merely for the truth. I would have gotten away with it if it weren't for you kids! -- Old Man Ken from Chicago

2004-06-27 13:48:40+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Mike Craney <mcraney@hotop.com>)


In article <lsnDc.514$gs.8299@news.itd.umich.edu>, tsd@zektor.gpcc.itd.umich.edu says... > In article <MPG.1b47777b2c3e642398971a@news-server.houston.rr.com>, > Mike Craney <mcraney@hotop.com> wrote: > :In article <gwgDc.512$gs.8067@news.itd.umich.edu>, > :tsd@rygar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu says... > :> In article <3O-dnYzqMfHxrEDdRVn-tw@comcast.com>, > :> Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: > :> : > :> :"nimue" <cup_o_cakesNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message > :> :news:mpKCc.233936$WA4.224618@twister.nyc.rr.com... > :> :> For those who are interested, there is a before-and-after image of > :> :Charisma > :> :> Carpenter and her implants at the bottom of this page. Just scroll down. > :> :> http://www.goodplasticsurgery.com/ > :> :> > :> :> -- > :> :> nimue > :> :> > :> :> "If I had created reality television I would have had a much greater > :> :> influence, > :> :> but then I would have had to KILL MYSELF." > :> :> Joss Whedon > :> :> > :> :> > :> : > :> :First of all, the implants, unneeded--at least in RL. Charisma works in > :> :Hollywood so YMMV. > :> : > :> :More importantly, the rhinoplasty has to be stopped. Sheesh, people with > :> :perfectly decent noses are being tricked into going under the knife for an > :> :arbitrarily "better" noses. > :> > :> And its this "forced" uniformatity that is making women in particular in Hollywood > :> look more and more "boring". Same sharper nose, same bigger tits, same smaller waist, > :> same bigger lips, same skinny arms and legs, etc. Sad. > : > :Sad for who? > > Everybody. No matter how much one may enjoy seeing something, seeing > the same thing - and only that thing - over and over and over and over > again is boring. > > :The reason there's a "forced" uniformity in Hollywood and in other such > :matters is because what both men and women percieve as atractive is > :indeed rather uniform. > > Wrong. What is considered attractive varies at times dramatically > across culture, race, even religion. African American men, for example, > in general perfer women on the cubby size (or as perceived by Hollywood > "fat.") Sorry. Proven, like it or not. If you understand the anthropological concepts behind the ratio, you'll find that cultural differences are taken into account. Mike >

2004-06-27 13:51:30+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Mike Craney <mcraney@hotop.com>)


In article <sCrDc.518$gs.8070@news.itd.umich.edu>, tsd@rygar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu says... > In article <7PmdndElqM-ToUPd4p2dnA@comcast.com>, > TomTraubertsBlues <silentsaregolden@comcast.net> wrote: > :"Tammy Stephanie Davis" <tsd@rygar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu> wrote in message > :news:DhgDc.511$gs.8024@news.itd.umich.edu... > :> In article <forge-86E6AC.09394226062004@comcast.dca.giganews.com>, > :> forge <forge@diespammers.youneedageek.com> wrote: > :> :In article <BTR1702-4DA971.18295525062004@news.west.earthlink.net>, > :> : BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > :> : > :> :> I saw the Playboy spead and they look pretty real to me. > :> : > :> :There was an outtake that had her lying flat on her back and they were > :> :still sticking straight up. But I stand by my earlier post - even if > :> :they're implants, she looks great with them, so what's the big deal? > :> > :> The big deal is that Charisma Carpenter has said point blank that > :> she doesn't have implants and that some people, such as yourself, > :> insist she's lying. And the evidence that has been cited to support > :> this contention has been dubious, at best. > : > :All you have to do is see her in either her Baywatch episode, or the series > :she did before Buffy to tell that she has had implants. It's very obvious. > > Then why in all the years that people have speculated about this on this > newsgroup has no one provided a link to this very obvious evidence? > > Fact is, I've seen pictures of Ms. Carpenter's appearance on Baywatch > wearing a bikini and between then and her first appearance on Buffy, > I just don't see this dramatic, very obvious, "oh she's definitely has > implants" difference at all. That's also my read. As I posted before, I noticed the "difference" before and after the second season filming hiatus. Mike > >

2004-06-27 14:21:06+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <EJednZpTN9Vn9EPdRVn-vA@comcast.com>, "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: > "BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message > news:BTR1702-C00124.22404626062004@news.west.earthlink.net... > > In article <iN6dnSoq66S5mEPd4p2dnA@comcast.com>, "Ken from Chicago" > > <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: > > > > > "Anton Sherwood" <news@ogre.nu> wrote in message > > > news:10drnkfpckh946d@corp.supernews.com... > > > > >>>> Heljar Grimstad wrote: > > > > >>>>> And she also looks bigger than earlier photos of her. > > > > > > > > >>>"BTR1701" wrote > > > > >>>> So does my sister and she's never had implants. > > > > > > > > Likewise my ex. > > > > > > > > >> "Ken from Chicago" wrote: > > > > >>> EEEEEEEWWWWW!!!!!! Your own sister??!!!? > > > > >>> Dude, your own immediate family and sex do not mix. > > > > > > > > > "BTR1701" wrote > > > > >> Where the hell are you getting "sex" from any of this? > > > > > > > > Ken from Chicago wrote: > > > > > That you would even notice your own sisters breasts, > > > > > much less able to make comparisons . . . that's just wrong. > > > > > That's like saying a member of your immediate family is hot. > > > > > > > > Bottle baby? Strict church? > > > > > > Irrelevant. > > > > > > > If you were to gain or lose thirty pounds, or change your > > > > hairstyle, would you expect your siblings to be blind to the fact? > > > > > > Sure, if I had siblings, I'm sure they'd notice, but I'd be more than > > > a little weirded out if they thought I was "hot"--or vice versa. > > > > You're a real moron, you know that? I never said I thought my sister is > > "hot". Although judging by the number of guys who have asked me over > > the years to set them up with her, she must be somewhat attractive. > > PRECISELY MY POINT! Not that I'm a moron, but that OTHER GUYS can think > of your sister as "hot" while at best you can think of her as "pretty". I'll say it again since you don't seem to be getting it-- I never claimed that I think of my sister as "hot". That's all been coming from you, not me.

2004-06-27 16:33:02-05:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"Peachy Ashie Passion" <res1n5cb@invalid.net> wrote in message news:ITGDc.8689$DT5.7322@nwrddc03.gnilink.net... > Alicat wrote: > > > On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 07:47:57 -0500, "Ken from Chicago" > > <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: > > > > > >>"Tammy Stephanie Davis" <tsd@rygar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu> wrote in message > >>news:sCrDc.518$gs.8070@news.itd.umich.edu... > >> > >>>In article <7PmdndElqM-ToUPd4p2dnA@comcast.com>, > >>>TomTraubertsBlues <silentsaregolden@comcast.net> wrote: > >>>:"Tammy Stephanie Davis" <tsd@rygar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu> wrote in message > >>>:news:DhgDc.511$gs.8024@news.itd.umich.edu... > >>>:> In article <forge-86E6AC.09394226062004@comcast.dca.giganews.com>, > >>>:> forge <forge@diespammers.youneedageek.com> wrote: > >>>:> :In article <BTR1702-4DA971.18295525062004@news.west.earthlink.net>, > >>>:> : BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > >>>:> : > >>>:> :> I saw the Playboy spead and they look pretty real to me. > >>>:> : > >>>:> :There was an outtake that had her lying flat on her back and they were > >>>:> :still sticking straight up. But I stand by my earlier post - even if > >>>:> :they're implants, she looks great with them, so what's the big deal? > >>>:> > >>>:> The big deal is that Charisma Carpenter has said point blank that > >>>:> she doesn't have implants and that some people, such as yourself, > >>>:> insist she's lying. And the evidence that has been cited to support > >>>:> this contention has been dubious, at best. > >>>: > >>>:All you have to do is see her in either her Baywatch episode, or the > >> > >>series > >> > >>>:she did before Buffy to tell that she has had implants. It's very > >> > >>obvious. > >> > >>>Then why in all the years that people have speculated about this on this > >>>newsgroup has no one provided a link to this very obvious evidence? > >>> > >>>Fact is, I've seen pictures of Ms. Carpenter's appearance on Baywatch > >>>wearing a bikini and between then and her first appearance on Buffy, > >>>I just don't see this dramatic, very obvious, "oh she's definitely has > >>>implants" difference at all. > >>> > >>>-- > >> > >>Because Buffyfans and Angelfans had far more important tissues to discuss, > >>B/A, B/X, W/X, W/O, X/F, B/R, X/A, B/S, the latest Whedon episodes, great > >>quotes, great scenes, great songs, great villains, vampire biology, > >>redemption, the nature of good and evil, etc., etc., etc. > >> > >>-- Ken from Chicago > >> > > > > > > And Lance Armstrong!!! > > > > (never forget Lance....he's depending on *you*) > > > > adios, > > alicat > > > > yes! > Lance lives!! > > When he is a total has been, no longer mentioned or thought of > except by the history buffs.. he'll still live on the net, if we all > work together. > > > > -- > Usenet is like Tetris for people who still remember how to read. > -Joshua Heller > I thought Smokey the Bear depended on us. -- Ken from Chicago

2004-06-27 16:42:14-05:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"Mike Craney" <mcraney@hotop.com> wrote in message news:MPG.1b48d79af9bb9c0698971e@news-server.houston.rr.com... > In article <DYDDc.541$gs.8240@news.itd.umich.edu>, > tsd@zektor.gpcc.itd.umich.edu says... > > In article <MPG.1b488c2df155656e98971b@news-server.houston.rr.com>, > > Mike Craney <mcraney@hotop.com> wrote: > > :In article <lsnDc.514$gs.8299@news.itd.umich.edu>, > > :tsd@zektor.gpcc.itd.umich.edu says... > > :> In article <MPG.1b47777b2c3e642398971a@news-server.houston.rr.com>, > > :> Mike Craney <mcraney@hotop.com> wrote: > > :> :In article <gwgDc.512$gs.8067@news.itd.umich.edu>, > > :> :tsd@rygar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu says... > > :> :> In article <3O-dnYzqMfHxrEDdRVn-tw@comcast.com>, > > :> :> Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: > > :> :> : > > :> :> :"nimue" <cup_o_cakesNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > :> :> :news:mpKCc.233936$WA4.224618@twister.nyc.rr.com... > > :> :> :> For those who are interested, there is a before-and-after image of > > :> :> :Charisma > > :> :> :> Carpenter and her implants at the bottom of this page. Just scroll down. > > :> :> :> http://www.goodplasticsurgery.com/ > > :> :> :> > > :> :> :> -- > > :> :> :> nimue > > :> :> :> > > :> :> :> "If I had created reality television I would have had a much greater > > :> :> :> influence, > > :> :> :> but then I would have had to KILL MYSELF." > > :> :> :> Joss Whedon > > :> :> :> > > :> :> :> > > :> :> : > > :> :> :First of all, the implants, unneeded--at least in RL. Charisma works in > > :> :> :Hollywood so YMMV. > > :> :> : > > :> :> :More importantly, the rhinoplasty has to be stopped. Sheesh, people with > > :> :> :perfectly decent noses are being tricked into going under the knife for an > > :> :> :arbitrarily "better" noses. > > :> :> > > :> :> And its this "forced" uniformatity that is making women in particular in Hollywood > > :> :> look more and more "boring". Same sharper nose, same bigger tits, same smaller waist, > > :> :> same bigger lips, same skinny arms and legs, etc. Sad. > > :> : > > :> :Sad for who? > > :> > > :> Everybody. No matter how much one may enjoy seeing something, seeing > > :> the same thing - and only that thing - over and over and over and over > > :> again is boring. > > :> > > :> :The reason there's a "forced" uniformity in Hollywood and in other such > > :> :matters is because what both men and women percieve as atractive is > > :> :indeed rather uniform. > > :> > > :> Wrong. What is considered attractive varies at times dramatically > > :> across culture, race, even religion. African American men, for example, > > :> in general perfer women on the cubby size (or as perceived by Hollywood > > :> "fat.") > > : > > :Sorry. Proven, like it or not. If you understand the anthropological > > :concepts behind the ratio, you'll find that cultural differences are > > :taken into account. > > > > I disagree. > > Disagreement is fine; however, you've yet to address why it is that > people who are considered attractive by the *consensus* of society have > facial and physical dimensions which are mathematically similar. The > statistical evidence is obvious, and the anthropological reasoning > explaining this phenomenon is, although not beyond debate, quite > persuasive. > > Mike > Pretty people are "average". Not too big, not too small. Not too short, not too tall. Not too dark, not to light. Not too dumb, not too bright. Or at least that's what one study showed. Altho that didn't stop people from finding people who had features that "stuck out", skinny, heavy, broken nose, mole aka "beauty mark", teeth gap, etc. Also standards of beauty differ in varying cultures. Pacific Islanders trend to heavier stouter body types. Europeans have a greater acceptance along a wider range of body types. Men tend to be less critical of women than women are of each other. There was an article about the Miss Universe pageant where African countries chose candidates that weren't the height of African standards but more Western standards so the candidate would fare better in the contest. -- Ken from Chicago

2004-06-27 18:02:11+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (tsd@zektor.gpcc.itd.umich.edu)


In article <MPG.1b488c2df155656e98971b@news-server.houston.rr.com>, Mike Craney <mcraney@hotop.com> wrote: :In article <lsnDc.514$gs.8299@news.itd.umich.edu>, :tsd@zektor.gpcc.itd.umich.edu says... :> In article <MPG.1b47777b2c3e642398971a@news-server.houston.rr.com>, :> Mike Craney <mcraney@hotop.com> wrote: :> :In article <gwgDc.512$gs.8067@news.itd.umich.edu>, :> :tsd@rygar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu says... :> :> In article <3O-dnYzqMfHxrEDdRVn-tw@comcast.com>, :> :> Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: :> :> : :> :> :"nimue" <cup_o_cakesNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message :> :> :news:mpKCc.233936$WA4.224618@twister.nyc.rr.com... :> :> :> For those who are interested, there is a before-and-after image of :> :> :Charisma :> :> :> Carpenter and her implants at the bottom of this page. Just scroll down. :> :> :> http://www.goodplasticsurgery.com/ :> :> :> :> :> :> -- :> :> :> nimue :> :> :> :> :> :> "If I had created reality television I would have had a much greater :> :> :> influence, :> :> :> but then I would have had to KILL MYSELF." :> :> :> Joss Whedon :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> : :> :> :First of all, the implants, unneeded--at least in RL. Charisma works in :> :> :Hollywood so YMMV. :> :> : :> :> :More importantly, the rhinoplasty has to be stopped. Sheesh, people with :> :> :perfectly decent noses are being tricked into going under the knife for an :> :> :arbitrarily "better" noses. :> :> :> :> And its this "forced" uniformatity that is making women in particular in Hollywood :> :> look more and more "boring". Same sharper nose, same bigger tits, same smaller waist, :> :> same bigger lips, same skinny arms and legs, etc. Sad. :> : :> :Sad for who? :> :> Everybody. No matter how much one may enjoy seeing something, seeing :> the same thing - and only that thing - over and over and over and over :> again is boring. :> :> :The reason there's a "forced" uniformity in Hollywood and in other such :> :matters is because what both men and women percieve as atractive is :> :indeed rather uniform. :> :> Wrong. What is considered attractive varies at times dramatically :> across culture, race, even religion. African American men, for example, :> in general perfer women on the cubby size (or as perceived by Hollywood :> "fat.") : :Sorry. Proven, like it or not. If you understand the anthropological :concepts behind the ratio, you'll find that cultural differences are :taken into account. I disagree. --

2004-06-27 19:10:21+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Mike Craney <mcraney@hotop.com>)


In article <DYDDc.541$gs.8240@news.itd.umich.edu>, tsd@zektor.gpcc.itd.umich.edu says... > In article <MPG.1b488c2df155656e98971b@news-server.houston.rr.com>, > Mike Craney <mcraney@hotop.com> wrote: > :In article <lsnDc.514$gs.8299@news.itd.umich.edu>, > :tsd@zektor.gpcc.itd.umich.edu says... > :> In article <MPG.1b47777b2c3e642398971a@news-server.houston.rr.com>, > :> Mike Craney <mcraney@hotop.com> wrote: > :> :In article <gwgDc.512$gs.8067@news.itd.umich.edu>, > :> :tsd@rygar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu says... > :> :> In article <3O-dnYzqMfHxrEDdRVn-tw@comcast.com>, > :> :> Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: > :> :> : > :> :> :"nimue" <cup_o_cakesNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message > :> :> :news:mpKCc.233936$WA4.224618@twister.nyc.rr.com... > :> :> :> For those who are interested, there is a before-and-after image of > :> :> :Charisma > :> :> :> Carpenter and her implants at the bottom of this page. Just scroll down. > :> :> :> http://www.goodplasticsurgery.com/ > :> :> :> > :> :> :> -- > :> :> :> nimue > :> :> :> > :> :> :> "If I had created reality television I would have had a much greater > :> :> :> influence, > :> :> :> but then I would have had to KILL MYSELF." > :> :> :> Joss Whedon > :> :> :> > :> :> :> > :> :> : > :> :> :First of all, the implants, unneeded--at least in RL. Charisma works in > :> :> :Hollywood so YMMV. > :> :> : > :> :> :More importantly, the rhinoplasty has to be stopped. Sheesh, people with > :> :> :perfectly decent noses are being tricked into going under the knife for an > :> :> :arbitrarily "better" noses. > :> :> > :> :> And its this "forced" uniformatity that is making women in particular in Hollywood > :> :> look more and more "boring". Same sharper nose, same bigger tits, same smaller waist, > :> :> same bigger lips, same skinny arms and legs, etc. Sad. > :> : > :> :Sad for who? > :> > :> Everybody. No matter how much one may enjoy seeing something, seeing > :> the same thing - and only that thing - over and over and over and over > :> again is boring. > :> > :> :The reason there's a "forced" uniformity in Hollywood and in other such > :> :matters is because what both men and women percieve as atractive is > :> :indeed rather uniform. > :> > :> Wrong. What is considered attractive varies at times dramatically > :> across culture, race, even religion. African American men, for example, > :> in general perfer women on the cubby size (or as perceived by Hollywood > :> "fat.") > : > :Sorry. Proven, like it or not. If you understand the anthropological > :concepts behind the ratio, you'll find that cultural differences are > :taken into account. > > I disagree. Disagreement is fine; however, you've yet to address why it is that people who are considered attractive by the *consensus* of society have facial and physical dimensions which are mathematically similar. The statistical evidence is obvious, and the anthropological reasoning explaining this phenomenon is, although not beyond debate, quite persuasive. Mike

2004-06-27 19:19:53-05:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"3D Master" <3d.master@chello.nl> wrote in message news:_qxDc.25906$3N6.13721@amsnews05.chello.com... > The Babaloughesian wrote: > > > "nimue" <cup_o_cakesNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:mpKCc.233936$WA4.224618@twister.nyc.rr.com... > > > >>For those who are interested, there is a before-and-after image of > > > > Charisma > > > >>Carpenter and her implants at the bottom of this page. Just scroll down. > >>http://www.goodplasticsurgery.com/ > > > > > > Damnit, I liked Christina Aguilera's nose before the surgery. Ashlee > > Simpson's, too. > > Yeah, it's the big thing nobody really seems to notice: 90% of all > plastic surgery leaves the person undergoing it looking less good or > worse afterwards. > > And that's without the 'Look, I have no self-esteem' factor that SO > turns me off. > > > 3D Master > -- > ~~~~~ > "I've got something to say; it's better to burn out than to fade away!" > - The Kurgan, Highlander > > "Give me some sugar, baby!" > - Ashley J. 'Ash' Williams, Army of Darkness > ~~~~~ > > Author of several stories, which can be found here: > http://members.chello.nl/~jg.temolder1/ And that's before you get into the insanity that is botox. -- Ken from Chicago

2004-06-27 21:21:44+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Peachy Ashie Passion <res1n5cb@invalid.net>)


Alicat wrote: > On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 07:47:57 -0500, "Ken from Chicago" > <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: > > >>"Tammy Stephanie Davis" <tsd@rygar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu> wrote in message >>news:sCrDc.518$gs.8070@news.itd.umich.edu... >> >>>In article <7PmdndElqM-ToUPd4p2dnA@comcast.com>, >>>TomTraubertsBlues <silentsaregolden@comcast.net> wrote: >>>:"Tammy Stephanie Davis" <tsd@rygar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu> wrote in message >>>:news:DhgDc.511$gs.8024@news.itd.umich.edu... >>>:> In article <forge-86E6AC.09394226062004@comcast.dca.giganews.com>, >>>:> forge <forge@diespammers.youneedageek.com> wrote: >>>:> :In article <BTR1702-4DA971.18295525062004@news.west.earthlink.net>, >>>:> : BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>>:> : >>>:> :> I saw the Playboy spead and they look pretty real to me. >>>:> : >>>:> :There was an outtake that had her lying flat on her back and they were >>>:> :still sticking straight up. But I stand by my earlier post - even if >>>:> :they're implants, she looks great with them, so what's the big deal? >>>:> >>>:> The big deal is that Charisma Carpenter has said point blank that >>>:> she doesn't have implants and that some people, such as yourself, >>>:> insist she's lying. And the evidence that has been cited to support >>>:> this contention has been dubious, at best. >>>: >>>:All you have to do is see her in either her Baywatch episode, or the >> >>series >> >>>:she did before Buffy to tell that she has had implants. It's very >> >>obvious. >> >>>Then why in all the years that people have speculated about this on this >>>newsgroup has no one provided a link to this very obvious evidence? >>> >>>Fact is, I've seen pictures of Ms. Carpenter's appearance on Baywatch >>>wearing a bikini and between then and her first appearance on Buffy, >>>I just don't see this dramatic, very obvious, "oh she's definitely has >>>implants" difference at all. >>> >>>-- >> >>Because Buffyfans and Angelfans had far more important tissues to discuss, >>B/A, B/X, W/X, W/O, X/F, B/R, X/A, B/S, the latest Whedon episodes, great >>quotes, great scenes, great songs, great villains, vampire biology, >>redemption, the nature of good and evil, etc., etc., etc. >> >>-- Ken from Chicago >> > > > And Lance Armstrong!!! > > (never forget Lance....he's depending on *you*) > > adios, > alicat > yes! Lance lives!! When he is a total has been, no longer mentioned or thought of except by the history buffs.. he'll still live on the net, if we all work together. -- Usenet is like Tetris for people who still remember how to read. -Joshua Heller

2004-06-27 22:13:33+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Peachy Ashie Passion <res1n5cb@invalid.net>)


Ken from Chicago wrote: > "Peachy Ashie Passion" <res1n5cb@invalid.net> wrote in message > news:ITGDc.8689$DT5.7322@nwrddc03.gnilink.net... > >>Alicat wrote: >> >> >>>On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 07:47:57 -0500, "Ken from Chicago" >>><kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>"Tammy Stephanie Davis" <tsd@rygar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu> wrote in message >>>>news:sCrDc.518$gs.8070@news.itd.umich.edu... >>>> >>>> >>>>>In article <7PmdndElqM-ToUPd4p2dnA@comcast.com>, >>>>>TomTraubertsBlues <silentsaregolden@comcast.net> wrote: >>>>>:"Tammy Stephanie Davis" <tsd@rygar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu> wrote in > > message > >>>>>:news:DhgDc.511$gs.8024@news.itd.umich.edu... >>>>>:> In article <forge-86E6AC.09394226062004@comcast.dca.giganews.com>, >>>>>:> forge <forge@diespammers.youneedageek.com> wrote: >>>>>:> :In article <BTR1702-4DA971.18295525062004@news.west.earthlink.net>, >>>>>:> : BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>>>>:> : >>>>>:> :> I saw the Playboy spead and they look pretty real to me. >>>>>:> : >>>>>:> :There was an outtake that had her lying flat on her back and they > > were > >>>>>:> :still sticking straight up. But I stand by my earlier post - even > > if > >>>>>:> :they're implants, she looks great with them, so what's the big > > deal? > >>>>>:> >>>>>:> The big deal is that Charisma Carpenter has said point blank that >>>>>:> she doesn't have implants and that some people, such as yourself, >>>>>:> insist she's lying. And the evidence that has been cited to support >>>>>:> this contention has been dubious, at best. >>>>>: >>>>>:All you have to do is see her in either her Baywatch episode, or the >>>> >>>>series >>>> >>>> >>>>>:she did before Buffy to tell that she has had implants. It's very >>>> >>>>obvious. >>>> >>>> >>>>>Then why in all the years that people have speculated about this on > > this > >>>>>newsgroup has no one provided a link to this very obvious evidence? >>>>> >>>>>Fact is, I've seen pictures of Ms. Carpenter's appearance on Baywatch >>>>>wearing a bikini and between then and her first appearance on Buffy, >>>>>I just don't see this dramatic, very obvious, "oh she's definitely has >>>>>implants" difference at all. >>>>> >>>>>-- >>>> >>>>Because Buffyfans and Angelfans had far more important tissues to > > discuss, > >>>>B/A, B/X, W/X, W/O, X/F, B/R, X/A, B/S, the latest Whedon episodes, > > great > >>>>quotes, great scenes, great songs, great villains, vampire biology, >>>>redemption, the nature of good and evil, etc., etc., etc. >>>> >>>>-- Ken from Chicago >>>> >>> >>> >>>And Lance Armstrong!!! >>> >>>(never forget Lance....he's depending on *you*) >>> >>>adios, >>>alicat >>> >> >> yes! >> Lance lives!! >> >> When he is a total has been, no longer mentioned or thought of >>except by the history buffs.. he'll still live on the net, if we all >>work together. >> >> >> >>-- >>Usenet is like Tetris for people who still remember how to read. >>-Joshua Heller >> > > > I thought Smokey the Bear depended on us. > > -- Ken from Chicago > > Him too. -- Usenet is like Tetris for people who still remember how to read. -Joshua Heller

2004-06-28 00:36:30+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (angiedeiuvia@aol.computer)


<< Prozac? Are you insane? Studies show there's a risk of "unstable" even suicidal behavior. -- Serious Sane Prozac-Free Ken from Chicago >><BR><BR> Used to take Prozac... stopped working on me after a while. I don't take much of anything anymore except excedrine, Motrin, and Anaprox. Mandi The fish Girl "I saw Fish" "Hey it's the Fish Girl!"

2004-06-28 00:42:52+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Sandra S <sandora@verizon.net>)


On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 03:17:04 GMT, Tammy Stephanie Davis <tsd@rygar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu> wrote: > In article <opr977myxpjtszlz@news.verizon.net>, > Sandra S <sandora@verizon.net> wrote: > :On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 00:33:22 GMT, nimue <cup_o_cakesNOSPAM@yahoo.com> > :wrote: > : > :> For those who are interested, there is a before-and-after image of :> > Charisma > :> Carpenter and her implants at the bottom of this page. Just scroll > down. > :> http://www.goodplasticsurgery.com/ > :> > : > : > : > :I didn't think it was any secret that Charisma Carpenter had implants. > :In any case, this is so ordinary in H'wood that it hardly rates a > mention. > > Except that she has said point blank that she doesn't have implants. > And as it has been mentioned before in this thread, these website > pictures are dubious "proof", at best. I don't believe she has ever actually denied it. Her response to Howard Stern really isn't a denial as much as a non sequiter, imo. In any case, it seems obvious to me that she has had implants; her breasts have that ridged, rounded look that really isn't natural. But, as I said before, it's very common in H'wood. Half the actresses have had implants; the other half are probably considering it. LOL. Sandra

2004-06-28 00:49:04+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Sandra S <sandora@verizon.net>)


On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 16:42:14 -0500, Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: > Also standards of beauty differ in varying cultures. Pacific Islanders > trend > to heavier stouter body types. Europeans have a greater acceptance along > a > wider range of body types. > > -- Ken from Chicago > > > They did, in the past. However, I remember reading that recent studies have shown that as television becomes more widespread, people everywhere are beginning to opt for the Hollywood standard of beauty. The plumpness once considered attractive in Samoa, for example, has given way to a recent preference for a thinner body type. And for the first time, eating disorders are beginning to proliferate. Sandra

2004-06-28 01:14:13+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (angiedeiuvia@aol.computer)


<< Oh. Okay. I suppose then breast reduction would be . . . good. -- Ken from Chicago (who struggles with the male resistance to the concept of breast reduction) >><BR><BR> Hmm... oversized sagging tits that no one looks at and gives me back problems and makes me look fatter than I am... or smaller, perkier tits that men might notice and NO back problems. Which would you choose? Mandi The fish Girl "I saw Fish" "Hey it's the Fish Girl!"

2004-06-28 01:16:19+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (nimue <cup_o_cakesNOSPAM@yahoo.com>)


Sandra S wrote: > On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 03:17:04 GMT, Tammy Stephanie Davis > <tsd@rygar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu> wrote: > >> In article <opr977myxpjtszlz@news.verizon.net>, >> Sandra S <sandora@verizon.net> wrote: >>> On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 00:33:22 GMT, nimue >>> <cup_o_cakesNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>> For those who are interested, there is a before-and-after image of >>>> :> Charisma Carpenter and her implants at the bottom of this page. >>>> Just scroll down. http://www.goodplasticsurgery.com/ >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I didn't think it was any secret that Charisma Carpenter had >>> implants. In any case, this is so ordinary in H'wood that it hardly >>> rates a mention. >> >> Except that she has said point blank that she doesn't have implants. >> And as it has been mentioned before in this thread, these website >> pictures are dubious "proof", at best. > > > > I don't believe she has ever actually denied it. Her response to > Howard Stern really isn't a denial as much as a non sequiter, imo. > > In any case, it seems obvious to me that she has had implants; her > breasts have that > ridged, rounded look that really isn't natural. > > But, as I said before, it's very common in H'wood. Half the > actresses have had implants; > the other half are probably considering it. LOL. I got that and yes, that is funny. > > > Sandra -- nimue "If I had created reality television I would have had a much greater influence, but then I would have had to KILL MYSELF." Joss Whedon

2004-06-28 02:14:23+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Rowan Hawthorn <rowan_hawthorn@hotmail.com>)


"The Fish Girl" <angiedeiuvia@aol.computer> wrote in message news:20040627211413.19157.00000803@mb-m06.aol.com... > << Oh. Okay. I suppose then breast reduction would be . . . good. > > -- Ken from Chicago (who struggles with the male resistance to the concept of > breast reduction) >><BR><BR> > > Hmm... oversized sagging tits that no one looks at and gives me back problems > and makes me look fatter than I am... or smaller, perkier tits that men might > notice and NO back problems. > > Which would you choose? AH over CC, any time... -- Rowan Hawthorn "I love mankind, it's people I can't stand." - Linus Van Pelt

2004-06-28 03:48:45+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Brent McKee <bSmckee@shaw.caN>)


"The Fish Girl" <angiedeiuvia@aol.computer> wrote in message news:20040627211413.19157.00000803@mb-m06.aol.com... > << Oh. Okay. I suppose then breast reduction would be . . . good. > > -- Ken from Chicago (who struggles with the male resistance to the concept of > breast reduction) >><BR><BR> > > Hmm... oversized sagging tits that no one looks at and gives me back problems > and makes me look fatter than I am... or smaller, perkier tits that men might > notice and NO back problems. > > Which would you choose? Soliel Moon Frye (who was on "Sabrina: The Teenaged Witch" and was a child star on the series "Punky Brewster") was 15 when she had her reduction for pretty much the same reasons you cite -- back problems. She went from a 38DD to a 36C. Reduction doesn't necessarily mean smaller, perkier. It does, frequently mean better health. Of course I'm really the wrong one to ask. I was entering puberty around the time that crowds of men would gather in parts of New York City to see a secretary in a tight sweater who had a 40DD chest and then changed alliances when a new "girl" (as they said then) appeared packing 44s. I seem to recall that _she_ was trumped by a woman with a 48 inch chest. At the time no one worried about natural or not, and I doubt that the ladies were too concerned with back pain whether the equipment was natural or not. Big boobs and celebrity go back a long way. -- Brent McKee To reply by email, please remove the capital letters (S and N) from the email address "If we cease to judge this world, we may find ourselves, very quickly, in one which is infinitely worse." - Margaret Atwood "Nothing is more dangerous than a dogmatic worldview - nothing more constraining, more blinding to innovation, more destructive of openness to novelty. " - Stephen Jay Gould (1941-2002)

2004-06-28 04:28:38+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (angiedeiuvia@aol.computer)


<< Soliel Moon Frye (who was on "Sabrina: The Teenaged Witch" and was a child star on the series "Punky Brewster") was 15 when she had her reduction for pretty much the same reasons you cite -- back problems. She went from a 38DD to a 36C. Reduction doesn't necessarily mean smaller, perkier. It does, frequently mean better health. >><BR><BR> Used to watch Punky. Loved her, saw her on "Saved by the Bell" Before the job... she looks WAY happier afterwards. << Big boobs and celebrity go back a long way. >><BR><BR> Guess I should be glad I'm an aspiring movie maker that likes talent over tits huh? Mandi The fish Girl "I saw Fish" "Hey it's the Fish Girl!"

2004-06-28 04:58:04-07:00 - Re: CC's implants - (kenm47@ix.netcom.com)


forge <forge@diespammers.youneedageek.com> wrote in message news:<forge-00389E.09420426062004@comcast.dca.giganews.com>... > In article <4c527512.0406250418.fe004cd@posting.google.com>, > kenm47@ix.netcom.com (kenm47) wrote: > > > She didn't need them, and looked better without them. > > It's entirely possible none of us has ever seen Carpenter without them. > I'm nearly positive she's had them in since before she started on Buffy. If you say so. Seemed to me, the Cordy of early Buffy looked more naturally shaped, but maybe that was just the whole younger package. Ken

2004-06-28 08:37:34+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (3D Master <3d.master@chello.nl>)


Sandra S wrote: > On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 16:42:14 -0500, Ken from Chicago > <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: > > > > >> Also standards of beauty differ in varying cultures. Pacific Islanders >> trend >> to heavier stouter body types. Europeans have a greater acceptance >> along a >> wider range of body types. > > >> >> -- Ken from Chicago > > They did, in the past. However, I remember reading that recent studies > have shown that as television becomes more widespread, people everywhere > are beginning to opt for > the Hollywood standard of beauty. > The plumpness once considered attractive in Samoa, for example, has > given way to a > recent preference for a thinner body type. And for the first time, > eating disorders > are beginning to proliferate. > > Sandra Which the people deciding what's on screen is what men like problem. It's not. Most men hate a lot of the women that are on screen. SMG these days is practically a skeleton, Courtney Cox (you should see her in Scream, hot! Now, skeleton, ugh) and the other women on Friends the same way. It's this ridiculous new trend to think among hollywood procucers that skeleton equals attractive. Thin does not mean attractive, fat does not mean unattractive. What's the thing that is attractive is the hip-ratio: 0.7 - 1.0. There's a study that shows women with that ration are more fertile (guess why men like it) and this ratio is attractive to men in EVERY country and culture. But one can weigh 120 kilograms and still have that ratio, (tougher to do, more mass, and a greater absolute difference, but its possible). Take Sookie on Gilmore Girls - she's beautiful, hot even. The heavier girl on 'Popular' equally so. But these days it's all skeletons that take the kick, set in by the fashion industry a few years back (mostly by the gay males dominating it, wonder if they were straight and checked out a woman like a straight men, at what's attractive to them, if we had skeletons now). Most men find them quite apalling, have you seen any of those fashion models gracing magazines like FHM, and Playboy? Don't think so. Men want women, not skeletons, that means curves, which means fat, 25% body fat the number for a healthy female IIRC, fat is what makes a woman curvy, fat is also what is tranformed into milk for kids if there's not enough food right at the moment - and we get back to fertility again. 3D Master -- ~~~~~ "I've got something to say; it's better to burn out than to fade away!" - The Kurgan, Highlander "Give me some sugar, baby!" - Ashley J. 'Ash' Williams, Army of Darkness ~~~~~ Author of several stories, which can be found here: http://members.chello.nl/~jg.temolder1/

2004-06-28 11:55:48+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Mike Craney <mcraney@hotop.com>)


In article <iNQDc.23540$HY4.1044@amsnews03.chello.com>, 3d.master@chello.nl says... > Sandra S wrote: > > > On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 16:42:14 -0500, Ken from Chicago > > <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> Also standards of beauty differ in varying cultures. Pacific Islanders > >> trend > >> to heavier stouter body types. Europeans have a greater acceptance > >> along a > >> wider range of body types. > > > > > >> > >> -- Ken from Chicago > > > > They did, in the past. However, I remember reading that recent studies > > have shown that as television becomes more widespread, people everywhere > > are beginning to opt for > > the Hollywood standard of beauty. > > The plumpness once considered attractive in Samoa, for example, has > > given way to a > > recent preference for a thinner body type. And for the first time, > > eating disorders > > are beginning to proliferate. > > > > Sandra > > Which the people deciding what's on screen is what men like problem. > It's not. Most men hate a lot of the women that are on screen. SMG these > days is practically a skeleton, Courtney Cox (you should see her in > Scream, hot! Now, skeleton, ugh) and the other women on Friends the same > way. It's this ridiculous new trend to think among hollywood procucers > that skeleton equals attractive. Thin does not mean attractive, fat does > not mean unattractive. > > What's the thing that is attractive is the hip-ratio: 0.7 - 1.0. There's > a study that shows women with that ration are more fertile (guess why > men like it) and this ratio is attractive to men in EVERY country and > culture. But one can weigh 120 kilograms and still have that ratio, > (tougher to do, more mass, and a greater absolute difference, but its > possible). Take Sookie on Gilmore Girls - she's beautiful, hot even. The > heavier girl on 'Popular' equally so. > > But these days it's all skeletons that take the kick, set in by the > fashion industry a few years back (mostly by the gay males dominating > it, wonder if they were straight and checked out a woman like a straight > men, at what's attractive to them, if we had skeletons now). Most men > find them quite apalling, have you seen any of those fashion models > gracing magazines like FHM, and Playboy? Don't think so. > > Men want women, not skeletons, that means curves, which means fat, 25% > body fat the number for a healthy female IIRC, fat is what makes a woman > curvy, fat is also what is tranformed into milk for kids if there's not > enough food right at the moment - and we get back to fertility again. One additional tweak: men do not control the fashion industry and the physiques of the models that work in it. Women do -- by their dollars. This is a whore's business. If trotting Sookie down a runway in haute coture would sell the hell out of a $2,000 gown, you'd see Sookie and clones on the runways. It's kind of axiomatic in fashion circles that the women that appeal to men (as you descrbe above) do not make women want to pull out their charge cards when they see them in clothing. There may be some REVERSE psychology at foot here -- women may intuitively know that 5'11" skeleton women are not "competition" for most men. So, they are free to appreciate the clothes that are hanging on them without concern. So, it's not all that fair to attribute this syndrome to gay men. They have accomplises in the women whose dollars fuel the industry. Mike > > > 3D Master > -- > ~~~~~ > "I've got something to say; it's better to burn out than to fade away!" > - The Kurgan, Highlander > > "Give me some sugar, baby!" > - Ashley J. 'Ash' Williams, Army of Darkness > ~~~~~ > > Author of several stories, which can be found here: > http://members.chello.nl/~jg.temolder1/ >

2004-06-28 14:37:20-07:00 - Re: CC's implants - (AthlonRob <junkmail@axpr.net>)


On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 03:12:48 -0500, Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: > Dude, your own immediate family and sex do not mix. > > That way lies madness. We *have* all seen "Wrong Turn" ... right? -- Rob | If not safe, Email and Jabber: | one can never be free. athlonrob at axpr dot net |

2004-06-28 17:59:00+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Brent McKee <bSmckee@shaw.caN>)


"The Fish Girl" <angiedeiuvia@aol.computer> wrote in message news:20040628002838.19192.00000783@mb-m06.aol.com... > << Soliel Moon Frye (who was on "Sabrina: The Teenaged Witch" and was a child > star on the series "Punky Brewster") was 15 when she had her reduction for > pretty much the same reasons you cite -- back problems. She went from a 38DD > to a 36C. Reduction doesn't necessarily mean smaller, perkier. It does, > frequently mean better health. >><BR><BR> > > Used to watch Punky. Loved her, saw her on "Saved by the Bell" Before the > job... she looks WAY happier afterwards. > > << Big boobs and celebrity go back a long > way. >><BR><BR> > > Guess I should be glad I'm an aspiring movie maker that likes talent over tits > huh? While I'm not in the "more than a mouthful's a waste" camp, I have to say that I like proportion. That's why Charisma's breast size has never really been an issue with me -- she doesn't _look_ out of proportion (the classic ratio is apparently 3-2-3 so 36-24-36 is an ideal) -- and why strippers who have had major augmentation are a turn off. Pam Anderson has _never_ seemed to be in proportion. -- Brent McKee To reply by email, please remove the capital letters (S and N) from the email address "If we cease to judge this world, we may find ourselves, very quickly, in one which is infinitely worse." - Margaret Atwood "Nothing is more dangerous than a dogmatic worldview - nothing more constraining, more blinding to innovation, more destructive of openness to novelty. " - Stephen Jay Gould (1941-2002)

2004-06-29 13:05:00+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Sandra S <sandora@verizon.net>)


On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 11:55:48 GMT, Mike Craney <mcraney@hotop.com> wrote: > It's kind of axiomatic in fashion circles that the women that appeal to > men (as you descrbe above) do not make women want to pull out their > charge cards when they see them in clothing. There may be some REVERSE > psychology at foot here -- women may intuitively know that 5'11" skeleton > women are not "competition" for most men. So, they are free to appreciate > the clothes that are hanging on them without concern. > > So, it's not all that fair to attribute this syndrome to gay men. They > have accomplises in the women whose dollars fuel the industry. > > Mike > Oh c'mon- are you saying that most men would not opt to date a supermodel, if they had the chance? Right- Rebecca Romjin, Heidi Klum, Giselle Bundchen wouldn't be any competition for other women! Sandra

2004-06-29 13:33:19+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (esspen@excite.com)


"nimue" <cup_o_cakesNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote... >For those who are interested, there is a before-and-after image of Charisma >Carpenter and her implants at the bottom of this page. Just scroll down. >http://www.goodplasticsurgery.com/ What about facial lifts? i was surprised when I looked at her images of her from the Baywatch-episode. Hasn't her face changed a bit? Or am I wrong? -- Espen Something is Wring[tm]

2004-06-29 17:14:22+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <40e16f41.1659147027@nntp.uio.no>, esspen@excite.com (Espen Schj���nberg) wrote: > "nimue" <cup_o_cakesNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote... > > >For those who are interested, there is a before-and-after image of > >Charisma Carpenter and her implants at the bottom of this page. > >Just scroll down. http://www.goodplasticsurgery.com/ > > What about facial lifts? > > i was surprised when I looked at her images of her from the > Baywatch-episode. Hasn't her face changed a bit? Yes, my face changed a bit in the 10 years between my 20's and my 30's also. It's called getting older.

2004-06-29 18:03:04-05:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"Sandra S" <sandora@verizon.net> wrote in message news:opsacxatiyjtszlz@news.verizon.net... > On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 11:55:48 GMT, Mike Craney <mcraney@hotop.com> wrote: > > > > It's kind of axiomatic in fashion circles that the women that appeal to > > men (as you descrbe above) do not make women want to pull out their > > charge cards when they see them in clothing. There may be some REVERSE > > psychology at foot here -- women may intuitively know that 5'11" skeleton > > women are not "competition" for most men. So, they are free to appreciate > > the clothes that are hanging on them without concern. > > > > So, it's not all that fair to attribute this syndrome to gay men. They > > have accomplises in the women whose dollars fuel the industry. > > > > Mike > > > > Oh c'mon- are you saying that most men would not opt to date a > supermodel, if they had the chance? > > Right- Rebecca Romjin, Heidi Klum, Giselle Bundchen wouldn't be any > competition > for other women! > > Sandra They are older and have eaten a sandwich or two--IOW, they look normal, or at least not unhealthily skinny--unlike some of the supermodels just starting out and are barely skin and bones. -- Ken from Chicago

2004-06-29 19:11:36+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (tsd@rygar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu)


In article <40e16f41.1659147027@nntp.uio.no>, Espen Schj���nberg <esspen@excite.com> wrote: :"nimue" <cup_o_cakesNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote... : :>For those who are interested, there is a before-and-after image of Charisma :>Carpenter and her implants at the bottom of this page. Just scroll down. :>http://www.goodplasticsurgery.com/ : :What about facial lifts? : :i was surprised when I looked at her images of her from the :Baywatch-episode. Hasn't her face changed a bit? It's called aging. Carpenter was twenty-four when she did Baywatch ten years ago. She'll be thirty-four next month. --

2004-06-29 20:11:07+02:00 - Re: CC's implants - ("P. Burrows" <me@privacy.net>)


In article <MPG.1b45f44170268bbb989714@news-server.houston.rr.com>, mcraney@hotop.com says... > In article <X8VCc.465$gs.7322@news.itd.umich.edu>, > tsd@asteroids.gpcc.itd.umich.edu says... > > In article <4c527512.0406250418.fe004cd@posting.google.com>, > > kenm47 <kenm47@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > :"nimue" <cup_o_cakesNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<mpKCc.233936$WA4.224618@twister.nyc.rr.com>... > > :> For those who are interested, there is a before-and-after image of Charisma > > :> Carpenter and her implants at the bottom of this page. Just scroll down. > > :> http://www.goodplasticsurgery.com/ > > : > > :She didn't need them, and looked better without them. > > > > Grainy photosgraphs at different angels? Sorry, but I'm not convinced > > she's had implants. > > You might pull out S2 of Buffy. Find the episodes taped BEFORE Christmas > hiatus, and match CC then with the episodes after Christmas hiatus. > > Yowza. > > Then again, maybe she just learned a whole lot of new things to do with > duct tape. > > Of course, maybe it was one of Willow's spells..... > Or maybe you just need to get out more.

2004-06-29 21:19:37+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Mike Craney <mcraney@hotop.com>)


In article <opsacxatiyjtszlz@news.verizon.net>, sandora@verizon.net says... > On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 11:55:48 GMT, Mike Craney <mcraney@hotop.com> wrote: > > > > It's kind of axiomatic in fashion circles that the women that appeal to > > men (as you descrbe above) do not make women want to pull out their > > charge cards when they see them in clothing. There may be some REVERSE > > psychology at foot here -- women may intuitively know that 5'11" skeleton > > women are not "competition" for most men. So, they are free to appreciate > > the clothes that are hanging on them without concern. > > > > So, it's not all that fair to attribute this syndrome to gay men. They > > have accomplises in the women whose dollars fuel the industry. > > > > Mike > > > > Oh c'mon- are you saying that most men would not opt to date a > supermodel, if they had the chance? > > Right- Rebecca Romjin, Heidi Klum, Giselle Bundchen wouldn't be any > competition > for other women! Pretty sure I'm not saying that. Male ego and fetish behavior trump instinct. Let's turn it around: Are you saying that most men would not opt to date a 5'11", 105 lb financially strapped anorexic from a trailer park with half her teeth if they had the chance? Innately, and as has been stated succintly in this thread, the characteristics which scream "good healthy breeding partner" to men are facially symmetric features with a proportioned but somewhat curvacious figure. Mike

2004-06-30 04:58:20-05:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"Alicat" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:q834e0tcds84l11d0h7f7okt5s2alod26h@4ax.com... > On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:03:04 -0500, "Ken from Chicago" > <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: > > > > >"Sandra S" <sandora@verizon.net> wrote in message > >news:opsacxatiyjtszlz@news.verizon.net... > >> On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 11:55:48 GMT, Mike Craney <mcraney@hotop.com> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > It's kind of axiomatic in fashion circles that the women that appeal to > >> > men (as you descrbe above) do not make women want to pull out their > >> > charge cards when they see them in clothing. There may be some REVERSE > >> > psychology at foot here -- women may intuitively know that 5'11" > >skeleton > >> > women are not "competition" for most men. So, they are free to > >appreciate > >> > the clothes that are hanging on them without concern. > >> > > >> > So, it's not all that fair to attribute this syndrome to gay men. They > >> > have accomplises in the women whose dollars fuel the industry. > >> > > >> > Mike > >> > > >> > >> Oh c'mon- are you saying that most men would not opt to date a > >> supermodel, if they had the chance? > >> > >> Right- Rebecca Romjin, Heidi Klum, Giselle Bundchen wouldn't be any > >> competition > >> for other women! > >> > >> Sandra > > > >They are older and have eaten a sandwich or two--IOW, they look normal, or > >at least not unhealthily skinny--unlike some of the supermodels just > >starting out and are barely skin and bones. > > > >-- Ken from Chicago > > > > As a devotee of couture, I must insert a codicil here. > > If you are into true designer clothes, you realize that the point of > using 15 year old 6 foot tall models with no boobs or asses is that > the clothes hang a lot better on those types. The idea is that they > are walking human clothes hangers with pretty faces. The girls have to > have long legs, and that body type generally is quite skinny naturally > until they are over 20...believe me, most of them do not starve > themselves. > > Once they are over 20, then it is their individuality that keeps them > successful in the business - the cookie cutter models are weeded out > in favor of distinctive beauties like Naomi Campbell or Kate Moss or > Linda Evangelista because the latter women have star power that lends > itself to promoting certain designers - its quite symbiotic. > > adios, > alicat Also skinny = smaller = less material needed for clothes = MONEY SAVED for fashion designers. -- Ken from Chicago

2004-06-30 18:31:29-05:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"AthlonRob" <junkmail@axpr.net> wrote in message news:g23qbc.ttl.ln@dsl-gervais-88.web-ster.com... > On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 03:12:48 -0500, Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: > > Dude, your own immediate family and sex do not mix. > > > > That way lies madness. > > We *have* all seen "Wrong Turn" ... right? Which episode is that? > -- > Rob | If not safe, > Email and Jabber: | one can never be free. > athlonrob at axpr dot net | -- Ken from Chicago

2004-06-30 18:32:52-05:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"Alicat" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:g936e0dt7jp2ahirpj0rjhqub19as4948e@4ax.com... > On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 04:58:20 -0500, "Ken from Chicago" > <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: > > > > >"Alicat" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message > >news:q834e0tcds84l11d0h7f7okt5s2alod26h@4ax.com... > >> On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:03:04 -0500, "Ken from Chicago" > >> <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: > >> > >> > > >> >"Sandra S" <sandora@verizon.net> wrote in message > >> >news:opsacxatiyjtszlz@news.verizon.net... > >> >> On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 11:55:48 GMT, Mike Craney <mcraney@hotop.com> > >wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > It's kind of axiomatic in fashion circles that the women that appeal > >to > >> >> > men (as you descrbe above) do not make women want to pull out their > >> >> > charge cards when they see them in clothing. There may be some > >REVERSE > >> >> > psychology at foot here -- women may intuitively know that 5'11" > >> >skeleton > >> >> > women are not "competition" for most men. So, they are free to > >> >appreciate > >> >> > the clothes that are hanging on them without concern. > >> >> > > >> >> > So, it's not all that fair to attribute this syndrome to gay men. > >They > >> >> > have accomplises in the women whose dollars fuel the industry. > >> >> > > >> >> > Mike > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> Oh c'mon- are you saying that most men would not opt to date a > >> >> supermodel, if they had the chance? > >> >> > >> >> Right- Rebecca Romjin, Heidi Klum, Giselle Bundchen wouldn't be any > >> >> competition > >> >> for other women! > >> >> > >> >> Sandra > >> > > >> >They are older and have eaten a sandwich or two--IOW, they look normal, > >or > >> >at least not unhealthily skinny--unlike some of the supermodels just > >> >starting out and are barely skin and bones. > >> > > >> >-- Ken from Chicago > >> > > >> > >> As a devotee of couture, I must insert a codicil here. > >> > >> If you are into true designer clothes, you realize that the point of > >> using 15 year old 6 foot tall models with no boobs or asses is that > >> the clothes hang a lot better on those types. The idea is that they > >> are walking human clothes hangers with pretty faces. The girls have to > >> have long legs, and that body type generally is quite skinny naturally > >> until they are over 20...believe me, most of them do not starve > >> themselves. > >> > >> Once they are over 20, then it is their individuality that keeps them > >> successful in the business - the cookie cutter models are weeded out > >> in favor of distinctive beauties like Naomi Campbell or Kate Moss or > >> Linda Evangelista because the latter women have star power that lends > >> itself to promoting certain designers - its quite symbiotic. > >> > >> adios, > >> alicat > > > >Also skinny = smaller = less material needed for clothes = MONEY SAVED for > >fashion designers. > > > >-- Ken from Chicago > > > > Do you have any idea how much they charge for those kind of clothes? > (I thought not!) Believe me, saving money is *never* a consideration. > > adios, > alicat That's what THEY CHARGE YOU--not what they themselves spend. -- Ken from Chicago

2004-06-30 19:28:24+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Mike Craney <mcraney@hotop.com>)


In article <g936e0dt7jp2ahirpj0rjhqub19as4948e@4ax.com>, me@privacy.net says... > On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 04:58:20 -0500, "Ken from Chicago" > <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: > > > > >"Alicat" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message > >news:q834e0tcds84l11d0h7f7okt5s2alod26h@4ax.com... > >> On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:03:04 -0500, "Ken from Chicago" > >> <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: > >> > >> > > >> >"Sandra S" <sandora@verizon.net> wrote in message > >> >news:opsacxatiyjtszlz@news.verizon.net... > >> >> On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 11:55:48 GMT, Mike Craney <mcraney@hotop.com> > >wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > It's kind of axiomatic in fashion circles that the women that appeal > >to > >> >> > men (as you descrbe above) do not make women want to pull out their > >> >> > charge cards when they see them in clothing. There may be some > >REVERSE > >> >> > psychology at foot here -- women may intuitively know that 5'11" > >> >skeleton > >> >> > women are not "competition" for most men. So, they are free to > >> >appreciate > >> >> > the clothes that are hanging on them without concern. > >> >> > > >> >> > So, it's not all that fair to attribute this syndrome to gay men. > >They > >> >> > have accomplises in the women whose dollars fuel the industry. > >> >> > > >> >> > Mike > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> Oh c'mon- are you saying that most men would not opt to date a > >> >> supermodel, if they had the chance? > >> >> > >> >> Right- Rebecca Romjin, Heidi Klum, Giselle Bundchen wouldn't be any > >> >> competition > >> >> for other women! > >> >> > >> >> Sandra > >> > > >> >They are older and have eaten a sandwich or two--IOW, they look normal, > >or > >> >at least not unhealthily skinny--unlike some of the supermodels just > >> >starting out and are barely skin and bones. > >> > > >> >-- Ken from Chicago > >> > > >> > >> As a devotee of couture, I must insert a codicil here. > >> > >> If you are into true designer clothes, you realize that the point of > >> using 15 year old 6 foot tall models with no boobs or asses is that > >> the clothes hang a lot better on those types. The idea is that they > >> are walking human clothes hangers with pretty faces. The girls have to > >> have long legs, and that body type generally is quite skinny naturally > >> until they are over 20...believe me, most of them do not starve > >> themselves. > >> > >> Once they are over 20, then it is their individuality that keeps them > >> successful in the business - the cookie cutter models are weeded out > >> in favor of distinctive beauties like Naomi Campbell or Kate Moss or > >> Linda Evangelista because the latter women have star power that lends > >> itself to promoting certain designers - its quite symbiotic. > >> > >> adios, > >> alicat > > > >Also skinny = smaller = less material needed for clothes = MONEY SAVED for > >fashion designers. > > > >-- Ken from Chicago > > > > Do you have any idea how much they charge for those kind of clothes? > (I thought not!) Believe me, saving money is *never* a consideration. Right. The key to a fashion show is speed and efficiency. If everyone is size 2 and tall, the models become reusable interchangeable parts in the fashion show machine. If you have a supermodel who has let herself mature (aka Tyra Banks, a size 6 or so during her last few runway years) you belly up and cut a few dresses in that size and you plan beforhand what she'll be wearing. The exception to the rule. Mike > > adios, > alicat > >

2004-07-01 00:15:27+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Mike Craney <mcraney@hotop.com>)


In article <kdk6e0hlplcmf17qs1rdcb4qvrdl68m61p@4ax.com>, me@privacy.net says... > On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 19:28:24 GMT, Mike Craney <mcraney@hotop.com> > wrote: > > >In article <g936e0dt7jp2ahirpj0rjhqub19as4948e@4ax.com>, me@privacy.net > >says... > >> On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 04:58:20 -0500, "Ken from Chicago" > >> <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: > >> > >> > > >> >"Alicat" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message > >> >news:q834e0tcds84l11d0h7f7okt5s2alod26h@4ax.com... > >> >> On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:03:04 -0500, "Ken from Chicago" > >> >> <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> >"Sandra S" <sandora@verizon.net> wrote in message > >> >> >news:opsacxatiyjtszlz@news.verizon.net... > >> >> >> On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 11:55:48 GMT, Mike Craney <mcraney@hotop.com> > >> >wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > It's kind of axiomatic in fashion circles that the women that appeal > >> >to > >> >> >> > men (as you descrbe above) do not make women want to pull out their > >> >> >> > charge cards when they see them in clothing. There may be some > >> >REVERSE > >> >> >> > psychology at foot here -- women may intuitively know that 5'11" > >> >> >skeleton > >> >> >> > women are not "competition" for most men. So, they are free to > >> >> >appreciate > >> >> >> > the clothes that are hanging on them without concern. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > So, it's not all that fair to attribute this syndrome to gay men. > >> >They > >> >> >> > have accomplises in the women whose dollars fuel the industry. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Mike > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Oh c'mon- are you saying that most men would not opt to date a > >> >> >> supermodel, if they had the chance? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Right- Rebecca Romjin, Heidi Klum, Giselle Bundchen wouldn't be any > >> >> >> competition > >> >> >> for other women! > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Sandra > >> >> > > >> >> >They are older and have eaten a sandwich or two--IOW, they look normal, > >> >or > >> >> >at least not unhealthily skinny--unlike some of the supermodels just > >> >> >starting out and are barely skin and bones. > >> >> > > >> >> >-- Ken from Chicago > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> As a devotee of couture, I must insert a codicil here. > >> >> > >> >> If you are into true designer clothes, you realize that the point of > >> >> using 15 year old 6 foot tall models with no boobs or asses is that > >> >> the clothes hang a lot better on those types. The idea is that they > >> >> are walking human clothes hangers with pretty faces. The girls have to > >> >> have long legs, and that body type generally is quite skinny naturally > >> >> until they are over 20...believe me, most of them do not starve > >> >> themselves. > >> >> > >> >> Once they are over 20, then it is their individuality that keeps them > >> >> successful in the business - the cookie cutter models are weeded out > >> >> in favor of distinctive beauties like Naomi Campbell or Kate Moss or > >> >> Linda Evangelista because the latter women have star power that lends > >> >> itself to promoting certain designers - its quite symbiotic. > >> >> > >> >> adios, > >> >> alicat > >> > > >> >Also skinny = smaller = less material needed for clothes = MONEY SAVED for > >> >fashion designers. > >> > > >> >-- Ken from Chicago > >> > > >> > >> Do you have any idea how much they charge for those kind of clothes? > >> (I thought not!) Believe me, saving money is *never* a consideration. > > > >Right. The key to a fashion show is speed and efficiency. If everyone is > >size 2 and tall, the models become reusable interchangeable parts in the > >fashion show machine. > > > >If you have a supermodel who has let herself mature (aka Tyra Banks, a > >size 6 or so during her last few runway years) you belly up and cut a > >few dresses in that size and you plan beforhand what she'll be wearing. > >The exception to the rule. > > > >Mike > > By George, I think he's got it! (One of the main training points that > runway models go through, besides learning how to walk with their > pelvises all turned up and their feet overlapping, is how to change > outfits in record time.) Right. Mike (Who watches America's Next Top Model religiously.)

2004-07-01 02:56:39+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Richard Edwards <riche@pobox.com>)


Ken from Chicago wrote: > "AthlonRob" <junkmail@axpr.net> wrote in message > news:g23qbc.ttl.ln@dsl-gervais-88.web-ster.com... > >>On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 03:12:48 -0500, Ken from Chicago > > <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: > >>>Dude, your own immediate family and sex do not mix. >>> >>>That way lies madness. >> >>We *have* all seen "Wrong Turn" ... right? > > > Which episode is that? It's a movie with Eliza Dushku. It has a Deliverance feel to it. Later, Richard

2004-07-01 06:25:57-05:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Avatar <browncoat@gwizmail.com>)


On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 02:56:39 GMT, Richard Edwards <riche@pobox.com> wrote: >Ken from Chicago wrote: >> "AthlonRob" <junkmail@axpr.net> wrote in message >> news:g23qbc.ttl.ln@dsl-gervais-88.web-ster.com... >> >>>On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 03:12:48 -0500, Ken from Chicago >> >> <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: >> >>>>Dude, your own immediate family and sex do not mix. >>>> >>>>That way lies madness. >>> >>>We *have* all seen "Wrong Turn" ... right? >> >> >> Which episode is that? > >It's a movie with Eliza Dushku. It has a Deliverance feel to it. > >Later, >Richard Kind of like The Deliverance Chainsaw Massacre. --- Remove whiz to email ----

2004-07-01 08:35:09-05:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Avatar <browncoat@gwizmail.com>)


On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 14:20:47 GMT, "John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote: >Sandra S wrote: >> On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:11:36 GMT, Tammy Stephanie Davis >> <tsd@rygar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu> wrote: >> >> >>> >>> It's called aging. Carpenter was twenty-four when she did >>> Baywatch ten years ago. She'll be thirty-four next month. >> >> >> >> Thirty-four? >> She was 27 when she started BtVS. >> I know math isn't my strongest point, but...) >> > >No, it definitely isn't your strongest point. She was born on 23 July 1970. >As of today, she'll be thirty-four this month. As BtVS first aired in March >1997, she was 26 when she started (25 in the Unaired Pilot). > >Just out of interest, what is your strongest point? Well it certainly seems being a smartass is yours *s*. --- Remove whiz to email ----

2004-07-01 08:56:31-05:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Avatar <browncoat@gwizmail.com>)


On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 14:38:08 GMT, "John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote: >Avatar wrote: >> On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 14:20:47 GMT, "John Briggs" >> <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote: >> >>> Sandra S wrote: >>>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:11:36 GMT, Tammy Stephanie Davis >>>> <tsd@rygar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> It's called aging. Carpenter was twenty-four when she did >>>>> Baywatch ten years ago. She'll be thirty-four next month. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thirty-four? >>>> She was 27 when she started BtVS. >>>> I know math isn't my strongest point, but...) >>>> >>> >>> No, it definitely isn't your strongest point. She was born on 23 July >>> 1970. As of today, she'll be thirty-four this month. As BtVS first >>> aired in March 1997, she was 26 when she started (25 in the Unaired >>> Pilot). >>> >>> Just out of interest, what is your strongest point? >> >> Well it certainly seems being a smartass is yours *s*. > >And what ability might you have, pray? Pretty much being a smartass as well. Hey, it was meant as a joke. Lighten up. --- Remove whiz to email ----

2004-07-01 12:26:15+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Sandra S <sandora@verizon.net>)


On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:19:37 GMT, Mike Craney <mcraney@hotop.com> wrote: > > Are you saying that most men would not opt to date a 5'11", 105 lb > financially strapped anorexic from a trailer park with half her teeth if > they had the chance? > > > Mike > > No, I am not saying that; but such a woman isn't likely to be an icon for the fashion industry anyway. And, I doubt if most men would date a 300 lb. woman either. I'm just saying that the idea that women don't regard long, lean models as competition for men is ludicrous. I believe that if you put a supermodel up against a Playboy centerfold, most men would choose the model. JMO. Sandra

2004-07-01 12:30:04+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Sandra S <sandora@verizon.net>)


On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:11:36 GMT, Tammy Stephanie Davis <tsd@rygar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu> wrote: > > It's called aging. Carpenter was twenty-four when she did > Baywatch ten years ago. She'll be thirty-four next month. Thirty-four? She was 27 when she started BtVS. I know math isn't my strongest point, but...) Sandra

2004-07-01 13:05:26+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Mike Craney <mcraney@hotop.com>)


In article <opsagkt1t8jtszlz@news.verizon.net>, sandora@verizon.net says... > On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:19:37 GMT, Mike Craney <mcraney@hotop.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Are you saying that most men would not opt to date a 5'11", 105 lb > > financially strapped anorexic from a trailer park with half her teeth if > > they had the chance? > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > No, I am not saying that; but such a woman isn't likely to be an icon for > the fashion industry anyway. > And, I doubt if most men would date a 300 lb. woman either. > > I'm just saying that the idea that women don't regard long, lean models as > competition for men is ludicrous. And I'm saying that according to the anthropological research, they're generally not. You're looking at this from a totally different perspective than my original notion. No reason to continue to talk past each other. > I believe that if you put a supermodel up against a Playboy centerfold, > most men would choose the model. JMO. There have actually been surveys like this taken. The models come in behind the centerfolds and porn stars, who beat out both groups in the "sexual desireability" surveys. Note the mate selection of our own David Boreanaz. The other problem with your posit is that all runway models (Kate Moss excepted) are taller than your average man. Old habits die hard, and most men still like to be taller than their mates, even if your mate is in stilletos. The other evidence is in Internet activity. There are TONS of websites where men pay monthly rates to view nude-non-sexual pictures of playmates. Think the pay sites that feature supermodels get any business outside the industry? Answer: No. After all the anthropolgical evidence that most men prefer women built like women rather than boys, why would you think that models would do better than playmates? Mike

2004-07-01 13:44:45+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (tsd@zektor.gpcc.itd.umich.edu)


In article <opsagk0ecvjtszlz@news.verizon.net>, Sandra S <sandora@verizon.net> wrote: :On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:11:36 GMT, Tammy Stephanie Davis :<tsd@rygar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu> wrote: : : :> :> It's called aging. Carpenter was twenty-four when she did :> Baywatch ten years ago. She'll be thirty-four next month. : : : :Thirty-four? :She was 27 when she started BtVS. :I know math isn't my strongest point, but...) According to several websites, Charisma Carpenter was born July 23rd, 1970. --

2004-07-01 14:20:47+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (John Briggs <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com>)


Sandra S wrote: > On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:11:36 GMT, Tammy Stephanie Davis > <tsd@rygar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu> wrote: > > >> >> It's called aging. Carpenter was twenty-four when she did >> Baywatch ten years ago. She'll be thirty-four next month. > > > > Thirty-four? > She was 27 when she started BtVS. > I know math isn't my strongest point, but...) > No, it definitely isn't your strongest point. She was born on 23 July 1970. As of today, she'll be thirty-four this month. As BtVS first aired in March 1997, she was 26 when she started (25 in the Unaired Pilot). Just out of interest, what is your strongest point? -- John Briggs

2004-07-01 14:38:08+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (John Briggs <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com>)


Avatar wrote: > On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 14:20:47 GMT, "John Briggs" > <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote: > >> Sandra S wrote: >>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:11:36 GMT, Tammy Stephanie Davis >>> <tsd@rygar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> >>>> It's called aging. Carpenter was twenty-four when she did >>>> Baywatch ten years ago. She'll be thirty-four next month. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thirty-four? >>> She was 27 when she started BtVS. >>> I know math isn't my strongest point, but...) >>> >> >> No, it definitely isn't your strongest point. She was born on 23 July >> 1970. As of today, she'll be thirty-four this month. As BtVS first >> aired in March 1997, she was 26 when she started (25 in the Unaired >> Pilot). >> >> Just out of interest, what is your strongest point? > > Well it certainly seems being a smartass is yours *s*. And what ability might you have, pray? -- John Briggs

2004-07-02 06:25:45+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (James Craine <JamesCraine@Hotmail.com>)


Richard Edwards wrote: > Ken from Chicago wrote: >>> We *have* all seen "Wrong Turn" ... right? >> >> >> >> Which episode is that? > > > It's a movie with Eliza Dushku. It has a Deliverance feel to it. > > Later, > Richard > I thought it felt like 'The Hills Have Eyes' without the charming characters.

2004-07-02 08:05:31+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (T <tberk@sbcglobal.net>)


Sandra S wrote: > On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:19:37 GMT, Mike Craney <mcraney@hotop.com> wrote: > > > >> >> Are you saying that most men would not opt to date a 5'11", 105 lb >> financially strapped anorexic from a trailer park with half her teeth >> if they had the chance? >> >> >> Mike >> >> > > No, I am not saying that; but such a woman isn't likely to be an icon for > the fashion industry anyway. > And, I doubt if most men would date a 300 lb. woman either. > > I'm just saying that the idea that women don't regard long, lean models as > competition for men is ludicrous. > I believe that if you put a supermodel up against a Playboy centerfold, > most men would choose the model. JMO. > > Sandra > > As a man I agree w/ 3D, support Mike (mostly) and vote for the PB centerfold over the (rail thin) runway model, but is that my only choice?, because Playboy and other mags lean towards the skinny, no butt having, artificially enhanced Hollywood clone archetype. I'm saying what's desirable isn't really being well represented if these two are our sample to choose from. For me, and this my opinion, what is less important in a woman is thinness and more important is fitness. A waist that goes in, hips that come out, some depth to the behind, some thickness to the legs, no obvious bones protruding, these are a few of my favorite things. Seems to weigh up against that 'fertile is beautiful' thing. TBerk

2004-07-02 11:45:19+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Sandra S <sandora@verizon.net>)


On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 13:05:26 GMT, Mike Craney <mcraney@hotop.com> wrote: > In article <opsagkt1t8jtszlz@news.verizon.net>, sandora@verizon.net > says... >> On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:19:37 GMT, Mike Craney <mcraney@hotop.com> wrote: >> >> >> > > After all the anthropolgical evidence that most men prefer women built > like women rather than boys, why would you think that models would do > better than playmates? > > Mike > Well, I am looking at this from a woman's point of view: I think most women would prefer to look like the model than the centerfold. (Partly because the model will age better; she may put on a few pounds but will still look good- while the centerfold will become blowsy. They do have one advantage that really appeals to men- hence the implants. I guess I find this hard to understand because I don't see the big deal - pardon the pun). Then too, many of the top female stars are former models, like Diaz, Thurman, Theron (Ok, she is both) and I do think our standards of beauty are largely created by Hollywood and Madison Ave. A woman I know was watching a Monroe film and kept saying "I can't believe how fat she looks!" I agree with whomever said MM would find it hard to get hired today. Did you know that when Jennifer Aniston first went on auditions, the first thing she was told was to lose 30 pounds? Sure, men like Boreanaz (who seems to have the mindset of an adolescent) will choose the centerfold. But I still think more sophisticated types would probably want the model. Sandra

2004-07-02 11:54:00+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Sandra S <sandora@verizon.net>)


On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 13:44:45 GMT, Tammy Stephanie Davis <tsd@zektor.gpcc.itd.umich.edu> wrote: > > According to several websites, Charisma Carpenter was > born July 23rd, 1970. I'm surprised; mostly because I thought I remembered reading somewhere that she was a year older than Boreanaz. Sandra

2004-07-02 12:05:41-07:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Mark Jones <sinanju@pacifier.com>)


Sandra S <sandora@verizon.net>, on or about Fri, 02 Jul 2004 11:45:19 GMT, did you or did you not state: >A woman I know was watching a >Monroe film and kept saying "I can't believe how fat she looks!" I agree >with whomever said MM would find it hard to get hired today. That was me. But my point is that while she might have trouble being hired in _Hollywood_ today, millions of men then and now consider her a gorgeous, sexy woman. Hollywood's standards are not the standards of most men (no matter how much they may like to think so). >Did you know that when Jennifer Aniston first went on >auditions, the first thing she was told was to lose 30 pounds? I didn't know that, but it doesn't surprise me. I've mentioned before that I've frequently seen women in an early role who were absolutely gorgeous, who got some success and then visibly succumbed to what I call Hollywood Wasting Disease (tm). They starve themselves until they are--in my opinion (though I'm hardly alone in this) emaciated and gaunt, and no longer anything like as attractive as they were at first. And I very definitely include Cameron Diaz in that category. When she first turned up in The Mask, she was far more appealing than she is now, and it's not because she's a few years older now. It's because she's given in to the relentless pressure to be thinner than thou. It may be necessary for her to continue to work in Hollywood, but that doesn't mean that it's right--or that she's more attractive now...except to the people making movies. >Sure, men like Boreanaz (who seems to have the mindset of an adolescent) >will choose the centerfold. But I still think more sophisticated types would >probably want the model. I don't. I think the men who'd choose some anorexic-looking runway model based solely on her looks are no different than men who'd choose a playboy model on that basis. -- "Just because you are a character, that doesn't mean you _have_ character." -- Mr. Wolf, _Pulp Fiction_

2004-07-02 14:44:17+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Mike Craney <mcraney@hotop.com>)


In article <opsaidluh3jtszlz@news.verizon.net>, sandora@verizon.net says... > On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 13:05:26 GMT, Mike Craney <mcraney@hotop.com> wrote: > > > In article <opsagkt1t8jtszlz@news.verizon.net>, sandora@verizon.net > > says... > >> On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:19:37 GMT, Mike Craney <mcraney@hotop.com> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > > > > > After all the anthropolgical evidence that most men prefer women built > > like women rather than boys, why would you think that models would do > > better than playmates? > > > > Mike > > > > > > Well, I am looking at this from a woman's point of view: I think > most women would prefer to look like the model than the centerfold. Oh, I think that's true, certainly. I also think that many women (perhaps not you) are somewhat offended by the idea that men prefer playboy-types. > > (Partly because the model will age better; she may put on a few pounds but > will still look good- while the centerfold will become blowsy. They do have > one advantage that really appeals to men- hence the implants. I guess I > find this > hard to understand because I don't see the big deal - pardon the pun). > > Then too, many of the top female stars are former models, like Diaz, > Thurman, > Theron (Ok, she is both) and I do think our standards of beauty are largely > created by Hollywood and Madison Ave. A woman I know was watching a > Monroe film and kept saying "I can't believe how fat she looks!" I agree > with whomever said MM would find > it hard to get hired today. Did you know that when Jennifer Aniston first > went on > auditions, the first thing she was told was to lose 30 pounds? > > Sure, men like Boreanaz (who seems to have the mindset of an adolescent) > will > choose the centerfold. But I still think more sophisticated types would > probably want the model. Well, you seem to be inferring that what "turns us on" is a rational process. I think we're all far more slavish to physical attraction than we'd like to believe. Mike

2004-07-02 14:48:29+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (arnold kim <arnoldkim@optonline.net>)


"Sandra S" <sandora@verizon.net> wrote in message news:opsaidluh3jtszlz@news.verizon.net... > On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 13:05:26 GMT, Mike Craney <mcraney@hotop.com> wrote: > > > In article <opsagkt1t8jtszlz@news.verizon.net>, sandora@verizon.net > > says... > >> On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:19:37 GMT, Mike Craney <mcraney@hotop.com> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > > > > > After all the anthropolgical evidence that most men prefer women built > > like women rather than boys, why would you think that models would do > > better than playmates? > > > > Mike > > > > > > Well, I am looking at this from a woman's point of view: I think > most women would prefer to look like the model than the centerfold. > > (Partly because the model will age better; she may put on a few pounds but > will still look good- while the centerfold will become blowsy. They do have > one advantage that really appeals to men- hence the implants. I guess I > find this > hard to understand because I don't see the big deal - pardon the pun). Of course you don't understand. I assume you're not a bisexual or lesbian. (FWIW, I prefer nicely shaped, well proportioned breasts over ones that are just plain big. If they're big but don't look nice, forget it.) > Then too, many of the top female stars are former models, like Diaz, > Thurman, > Theron (Ok, she is both) and I do think our standards of beauty are largely > created by Hollywood and Madison Ave. A woman I know was watching a > Monroe film and kept saying "I can't believe how fat she looks!" I agree > with whomever said MM would find > it hard to get hired today. Did you know that when Jennifer Aniston first > went on > auditions, the first thing she was told was to lose 30 pounds? > > Sure, men like Boreanaz (who seems to have the mindset of an adolescent) > will > choose the centerfold. But I still think more sophisticated types would > probably want the model. And you think the majority of us men are sophisticated? :) Seriously, when was the last time you saw a supermodel-type at a bachelor party? I think that the problem with looking like porn stars or strippers is that no guy would really take you seriously. Madison Avenue might promote sexiness, but they also don't want to associate themselves with the sex industry. I think that's why you don't see more Jenna Jameson types on television, not because men find the supermodel type more attractive. Arnold Kim

2004-07-02 15:50:03+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (John Briggs <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com>)


Sandra S wrote: > On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 13:44:45 GMT, Tammy Stephanie Davis > <tsd@zektor.gpcc.itd.umich.edu> wrote: > > >> >> According to several websites, Charisma Carpenter was >> born July 23rd, 1970. > > > > I'm surprised; mostly because I thought I remembered reading somewhere > that she was > a year older than Boreanaz. > He'd apparently shaved a couple of years off his age. (His birthdate used to be reported as 16 May 1971, they now say 16 May 1969.) -- John Briggs

2004-07-02 19:10:32-04:00 - Re: CC's implants - (forge <forge@diespammers.youneedageek.com>)


In article <4c527512.0406280358.293b6b0e@posting.google.com>, kenm47@ix.netcom.com (kenm47) wrote: > > It's entirely possible none of us has ever seen Carpenter without them. > > I'm nearly positive she's had them in since before she started on Buffy. > > If you say so. Seemed to me, the Cordy of early Buffy looked more > naturally shaped, but maybe that was just the whole younger package. That, and she wore a lot more sensible clothes in the first couple seasons, I think.

2004-07-02 19:14:10-04:00 - Re: CC's implants - (forge <forge@diespammers.youneedageek.com>)


In article <Q_qDc.515$gs.8240@news.itd.umich.edu>, tsd@rygar.gpcc.itd.umich.edu (Tammy Stephanie Davis) wrote: > :I didn't think it was any secret that Charisma Carpenter had implants. > :In any case, this is so ordinary in H'wood that it hardly rates a mention. > > Except that she has said point blank that she doesn't have implants. > And as it has been mentioned before in this thread, these website > pictures are dubious "proof", at best. The Playboy outtake with her lying on her back and her bosom standing up like a pair of parking-lot cones is kinda a dead giveaway though. Thirty-six and a mommy? I don't bloody think so.

2004-07-02 19:29:00-04:00 - Re: CC's implants - (forge <forge@diespammers.youneedageek.com>)


In article <iNQDc.23540$HY4.1044@amsnews03.chello.com>, 3D Master <3d.master@chello.nl> wrote: > Which the people deciding what's on screen is what men like problem. > It's not. Most men hate a lot of the women that are on screen. SMG these > days is practically a skeleton, Courtney Cox (you should see her in > Scream, hot! Now, skeleton, ugh) They seem to put on weight to play roles. Lara Flynn Boyle in "Men in Black 2" looked great, but once she was done with that, back to Freaky Stick Woman. Similarly, Keira Knightley, who looked great in "Pirates" and is supposedly downright beefy in "King Arthur," but when she appears at awards shows and such - euuugghhhh ::shudder::

2004-07-02 19:34:46-04:00 - Re: CC's implants - (forge <forge@diespammers.youneedageek.com>)


In article <opsacxatiyjtszlz@news.verizon.net>, Sandra S <sandora@verizon.net> wrote: > Right- Rebecca Romjin, Heidi Klum, Giselle Bundchen wouldn't be any > competition > for other women! Romijn is starting to look all right now that she's getting a little older. But given the choice between Klum, Bundchen or... Alyson Hannigan? Aly. Me personally I'll date a "real" woman before I'll go for some fantasy chick.

2004-07-02 19:39:20-04:00 - Re: CC's implants - (forge <forge@diespammers.youneedageek.com>)


In article <fH8Fc.84858$ad7.61378@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>, T <tberk@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > As a man I agree w/ 3D, support Mike (mostly) and vote for the PB > centerfold over the (rail thin) runway model, but is that my only > choice?, because Playboy and other mags lean towards the skinny, no > butt having, artificially enhanced Hollywood clone archetype. And that's the key - girl gotta have booty, man. I hate women being presented to me by media as "attractive" and they turn around and got no butt at all, it's ridiculous.

2004-07-02 23:19:16-07:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Mark Jones <sinanju@pacifier.com>)


Sandra S <sandora@verizon.net>, on or about Sat, 03 Jul 2004 01:28:30 GMT, did you or did you not state: >On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 12:05:41 -0700, Mark Jones <sinanju@pacifier.com> >wrote: >I don't know that I truly believe Hollywood standards are not the standards >of most men. I do. I'll concede that there are _some_ men (and out of 300,000,000 Americans, they probably number in the millions) who subscribe to the Hollywood ideal. But I doubt most men think that way. >Consider Amber Benson. Nobody who's met her would ever call her fat; but >when she first turned up on BtVS, remember all the criticism about her >weight? I remember lots of men--including me--disagreeing, thinking that she looked just fine, thanks. >Same with Charisma Carpenter- I saw a lot of barbs about her weight gain >during season 4, and most came from men, not women. Same thing here. Some men (and women) claimed she was fat, others thought she was still gorgeous (including me). -- "Just because you are a character, that doesn't mean you _have_ character." -- Mr. Wolf, _Pulp Fiction_

2004-07-03 01:28:30+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Sandra S <sandora@verizon.net>)


On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 12:05:41 -0700, Mark Jones <sinanju@pacifier.com> wrote: > Sandra S <sandora@verizon.net>, on or about Fri, 02 Jul 2004 11:45:19 > GMT, did you or did you not state: > >> A woman I know was watching a Monroe film and kept saying "I can't >> believe how fat she looks!" I agree with whomever said MM would find it >> hard to get hired today. > > That was me. But my point is that while she might have trouble being > hired in _Hollywood_ today, millions of men then and now consider her > a gorgeous, sexy woman. Hollywood's standards are not the standards > of most men (no matter how much they may like to think so). > >> Did you know that when Jennifer Aniston first went on >> auditions, the first thing she was told was to lose 30 pounds? > > I didn't know that, but it doesn't surprise me. I've mentioned before > that I've frequently seen women in an early role who were absolutely > gorgeous, who got some success and then visibly succumbed to what I > call Hollywood Wasting Disease (tm). They starve themselves until > they are--in my opinion (though I'm hardly alone in this) emaciated > and gaunt, and no longer anything like as attractive as they were at > first. > I don't know that I truly believe Hollywood standards are not the standards of most men. Consider Amber Benson. Nobody who's met her would ever call her fat; but when she first turned up on BtVS, remember all the criticism about her weight? Lots of viewers complained that she was fat and dumpy. She wasn't, but it's a matter of accustuming the eye- naturally she looked fat in scenes where she was standing next to SMG or Hannigan. Same with Charisma Carpenter- I saw a lot of barbs about her weight gain during season 4, and most came from men, not women. Sandra

2004-07-03 01:30:16+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Sandra S <sandora@verizon.net>)


On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 19:34:46 -0400, forge <forge@diespammers.youneedageek.com> wrote: > In article <opsacxatiyjtszlz@news.verizon.net>, > Sandra S <sandora@verizon.net> wrote: > >> Right-Rebecca Romjin, Heidi Klum, Giselle Bundchen wouldn't be any >> competition >> for other women! > > Romijn is starting to look all right now that she's getting a little > older. But given the choice between Klum, Bundchen or... Alyson Hannigan? > Aly. Me personally I'll date a "real" woman before I'll go for some > fantasy chick. > But would you date Riff Regan? Sandra

2004-07-03 12:13:36-04:00 - Re: CC's implants - (forge <forge@diespammers.youneedageek.com>)


In article <opsajfsszvjtszlz@news.verizon.net>, Sandra S <sandora@verizon.net> wrote: > > Romijn is starting to look all right now that she's getting a little > > older. But given the choice between Klum, Bundchen or... Alyson Hannigan? > > Aly. Me personally I'll date a "real" woman before I'll go for some > > fantasy chick. > But would you date Riff Regan? Honestly? Yeah I would. I understand where you're goin' with that though.

2004-07-03 14:13:01-04:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Snuggles <submit.iPkluBotlXWJNxff@spam.spamcop.net>)


In article <ifrde0hod403o56aif99hn9obnb5vgf4ve@4ax.com>, st <striketoo@hotmail.com> wrote: > On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 17:22:45 GMT, BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> > wrote: > > >The point is, > > IN YOUR OPINION > > >Carpenter never stopped looking good. > > Other's disagree. And that doesn't make them wrong. It was CC's haircuts and dye jobs that ruined her look for me more than anything else. Short and blonde?!?!? What they hell were they thinking? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Snuggles, not Shuggie -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

2004-07-03 17:22:45+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <eb8ce05boa0bn5d2fllqlt7tn6u90v4l1a@4ax.com>, striketoo@hotmail.com wrote: > On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 01:28:30 GMT, Sandra S <sandora@verizon.net> > wrote: > >Same with Charisma Carpenter- I saw a lot of barbs about her weight gain > >during season 4, and most came from men, not women. > > So what? > > She gained weight. She was the 'leading lady' on the show. You think > they cast DB for his great acting talent? No, they cast him because he > is a good looking guy.... who also was the subject of 'barbs' about > his weight..... he has gained a bit since S1 buffy. > > Boohoo. Actors have to look good????? Shocking. The point is, Carpenter never stopped looking good.

2004-07-03 23:07:30+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Sandra S <sandora@verizon.net>)


On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 23:15:15 -0400, st <striketoo@hotmail.com> wrote: > On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 01:28:30 GMT, Sandra S <sandora@verizon.net> > wrote: > > > > >> Same with Charisma Carpenter-I saw a lot of barbs about her weight gain >> during season 4, and most came from men, not women. > > So what? > > She gained weight. She was the 'leading lady' on the show. You think > they cast DB for his great acting talent? No, they cast him because he > is a good looking guy.... who also was the subject of 'barbs' about > his weight..... he has gained a bit since S1 buffy. > > Boohoo. Actors have to look good????? Shocking. > > st > > -- But Mike was saying that most men prefer curvier women rather than the very thin type favored by Hollywood. He thinks curvier women look better than thin ones. You are saying that the weight gain meant the actors don't look good. So- exactly what is it that looks good? Curvier and heavier or extremely thin? That's sort of what I mean- actors who gain a few pounds come in for massive amounts of criticism; and people say they no longer look good! Sandra

2004-07-03 23:10:55+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Sandra S <sandora@verizon.net>)


On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 12:13:36 -0400, forge <forge@diespammers.youneedageek.com> wrote: > In article <opsajfsszvjtszlz@news.verizon.net>, > Sandra S <sandora@verizon.net> wrote: > >> > Romijn is starting to look all right now that she's getting a little > >> older. But given the choice between Klum, Bundchen or... Alyson >> Hannigan? > Aly. Me personally I'll date a "real" woman before I'll go >> for some > fantasy chick. > >> But would you date Riff Regan? > > Honestly? Yeah I would. I understand where you're goin' with that though. > I'm not trying to be snarky; just, how thin is TOO thin? Hannigan is every bit as thin as a model (though not as tall). Mike says men don't like extremely thin women; but everything I see makes me question that. Sandra

2004-07-04 00:11:52+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Peachy Ashie Passion <res1n5cb@invalid.net>)


Sandra S wrote: > On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 12:13:36 -0400, forge > <forge@diespammers.youneedageek.com> wrote: > >> In article <opsajfsszvjtszlz@news.verizon.net>, >> Sandra S <sandora@verizon.net> wrote: >> >>> > Romijn is starting to look all right now that she's getting a >>> little > older. But given the choice between Klum, Bundchen or... >>> Alyson Hannigan? > Aly. Me personally I'll date a "real" woman before >>> I'll go for some > fantasy chick. >> >> >>> But would you date Riff Regan? >> >> >> Honestly? Yeah I would. I understand where you're goin' with that though. >> > > > > I'm not trying to be snarky; just, how thin is TOO thin? > Hannigan is every bit as thin as a model (though not as tall). > > Mike says men don't like extremely thin women; but everything I see > makes me > question that. > > > Sandra Sandra, you keep looking at tv shows. Look in the real world. Look at the women real men choose to touch and hold and date and be intimate with. Real men like real women. -- Usenet is like Tetris for people who still remember how to read. -Joshua Heller

2004-07-04 01:19:33-04:00 - Re: CC's implants - (forge <forge@diespammers.youneedageek.com>)


In article <cmvee01fv2p21rhd3f9kj6gtvm5b2u3vao@4ax.com>, st <striketoo@hotmail.com> wrote: > I like big butts and i cannot lie you other brothaz can't deny That when a girl walks in with an itty bitty waist And a round thing in your face You get sprung Wanna pull up front Cuz you notice that butt was stuffed Deep in the jeans she's wearing I'm hooked and I can't stop staring Oh, baby I wanna get with ya And take your picture My homeboys tried to warn me But with that butt you got Me so horny Ooh, rub all of that smooth skin You say you wanna get in my Benz Well use me, use me cuz you ain't that average groupy I've seen them dancin' The hell with romancin' She sweat, wet, got it goin' like a turbo 'Vette I'm tired of magazines saying flat butt's the only thing Take the average black man and ask him that She gotta pack much back, so Fellas (yeah), fellas (yeah) Has your girlfriend got the butt (hell yeah) Well shake it, shake it, shake it, shake it, shake that healthy butt Baby got back (LA face with Oakland booty) I like'em round and big And when I'm throwin' a gig I just can't help myself I'm actin like an animal Now here's my scandal I wanna get you home And ugh, double ugh, ugh I ain't talkin' bout Playboy Cuz silicone parts were made for toys I wannem real thick and juicy So find that juicy double Mixalot's in trouble Beggin' for a piece of that bubble So I'm lookin' at rock videos Watchin' these bimbos walkin' like hoes You can have them bimbos I'll keep my women like Flo Jo A word to the thick soul sistas I wanna get with ya I won't cus or hit ya But I gotta be straight when I say I wanna fuck Til the break of dawn Baby, I got it goin on A lot of pimps won't like this song Cuz them punks like to hit it and quit it But I'd rather stay and play Cuz I'm long and I'm strong And I'm down to get the friction on So ladies (yeah), ladies (yeah) If you wanna role in my Mercedes (yeah) Then turn around Stick it out Even white boys got to shout Baby got back (LA face with the Oakland booty) Yeah baby When it comes to females Cosmo and got nothin to do with my selection 36-24-36 Only if she's 5'3" So your girlfriend rolls a Honda Playin' workout tapes by Fonda But Fonda ain't got a motor in the back of her Honda My anaconda don't want none unless you've got buns hon You can do side bends or sit-ups, but please don't lose that butt Some brothers wanna play that hard role and tell you that the butt need to go So they toss it and leave it And I pull up quick to retrieve it So Cosmo says you're fat Well I ain't down with that Cuz your waist is small and your curves are kickin' And I'm thinkin' bout stickin' To the beanpole dames in the magazines You ain't it Miss Thang Give me a sista I can't resist her Red beans and rice didn't miss her Some knucklehead tried to dis Cuz his girls were on my list He had game but he chose to hit 'em And pulled up quick to get with 'em So ladies if the butt is round And you wanna triple X throw down Dial 1-900-mixalot and kick them nasty thoughts Baby got back

2004-07-04 02:22:19+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Mike Craney <mcraney@hotop.com>)


In article <opsak3uvtdjtszlz@news.verizon.net>, sandora@verizon.net says... > On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 23:15:15 -0400, st <striketoo@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 01:28:30 GMT, Sandra S <sandora@verizon.net> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> Same with Charisma Carpenter-I saw a lot of barbs about her weight gain > >> during season 4, and most came from men, not women. > > > > So what? > > > > She gained weight. She was the 'leading lady' on the show. You think > > they cast DB for his great acting talent? No, they cast him because he > > is a good looking guy.... who also was the subject of 'barbs' about > > his weight..... he has gained a bit since S1 buffy. > > > > Boohoo. Actors have to look good????? Shocking. > > > > st > > > > -- > > But Mike was saying that most men prefer curvier women rather than the > very thin type favored by Hollywood. He thinks curvier women look better > than > thin ones. > > You are saying that the weight gain meant the actors don't look good. > > So- exactly what is it that looks good? Curvier and heavier or extremely > thin? > That's sort of what I mean- actors who gain a few pounds come in for > massive > amounts of criticism; and people say they no longer look good! My take - perception's a bitch, and so is what TV does to the human body. Watch the last two seasons of Buffy, then watch the first. Buffy looks fat and unattractive. Watch the first two seasons, and then the last. Buffy looks anorexic and unattractive. Walking down the street, I'd bet hard dollars that early Buffy gets more attention that later Buffy. On the street, people have the advantage of 3D and no preconceptions. Mike > > Sandra > >

2004-07-04 08:29:42+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (3D Master <3d.master@chello.nl>)


Sandra S wrote: > On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 13:05:26 GMT, Mike Craney <mcraney@hotop.com> wrote: > >> In article <opsagkt1t8jtszlz@news.verizon.net>, sandora@verizon.net >> says... >> >>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:19:37 GMT, Mike Craney <mcraney@hotop.com> wrote: > Sure, men like Boreanaz (who seems to have the mindset of an adolescent) > will > choose the centerfold. But I still think more sophisticated types would > probably want the model. > > Sandra For the prestige perhaps, a sexless, loveless marriage purely for the image. But purely sexually speaking only fetishists will have any REAL interest in the skin-on-bones model. Men want women, not skeletons. 3D Master -- ~~~~~ "I've got something to say; it's better to burn out than to fade away!" - The Kurgan, Highlander "Give me some sugar, baby!" - Ashley J. 'Ash' Williams, Army of Darkness ~~~~~ Author of several stories, which can be found here: http://members.chello.nl/~jg.temolder1/

2004-07-04 08:32:36+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (3D Master <3d.master@chello.nl>)


Sandra S wrote: > On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 13:05:26 GMT, Mike Craney <mcraney@hotop.com> wrote: > >> In article <opsagkt1t8jtszlz@news.verizon.net>, sandora@verizon.net >> says... >> >>> On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:19:37 GMT, Mike Craney <mcraney@hotop.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> > >> >> After all the anthropolgical evidence that most men prefer women built >> like women rather than boys, why would you think that models would do >> better than playmates? >> >> Mike >> > > > > Well, I am looking at this from a woman's point of view: I think > most women would prefer to look like the model than the centerfold. Exactly, that's the problem these days isn't it? Women wanting to look like skeletons and getting eating disorders because of it, while virtually all men don't want a skeleton. 3D Master -- ~~~~~ "I've got something to say; it's better to burn out than to fade away!" - The Kurgan, Highlander "Give me some sugar, baby!" - Ashley J. 'Ash' Williams, Army of Darkness ~~~~~ Author of several stories, which can be found here: http://members.chello.nl/~jg.temolder1/

2004-07-04 08:44:52+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (3D Master <3d.master@chello.nl>)


Sandra S wrote: > On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 12:05:41 -0700, Mark Jones <sinanju@pacifier.com> > wrote: > > Same with Charisma Carpenter- I saw a lot of barbs about her weight gain > during season 4, and most came from men, not women. Well, duh! But you must put this in perspective, she did not gain weight, she gained a baby. A man sees this, a man knows he can't impregnate her because she already is pregnant, behind every sexual drive, deep down in someone's psyche lies procreation - no procreation possible, desireabitlity goes down severely. 3D Master -- ~~~~~ "I've got something to say; it's better to burn out than to fade away!" - The Kurgan, Highlander "Give me some sugar, baby!" - Ashley J. 'Ash' Williams, Army of Darkness ~~~~~ Author of several stories, which can be found here: http://members.chello.nl/~jg.temolder1/

2004-07-04 08:47:18+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (3D Master <3d.master@chello.nl>)


T wrote: > Sandra S wrote: > > For me, and this my opinion, what is less important in a woman is > thinness and more important is fitness. > > A waist that goes in, hips that come out, some depth to the behind, some > thickness to the legs, no obvious bones protruding, these are a few of > my favorite things. > > Seems to weigh up against that 'fertile is beautiful' thing. > > TBerk Oh, but my poor sweet misguided friend. WHAT do you think is the most fertile? Oh, yes, EXACTLY what you describe you find the most attractive: fitness and a well-proportioned body. 3D Master -- ~~~~~ "I've got something to say; it's better to burn out than to fade away!" - The Kurgan, Highlander "Give me some sugar, baby!" - Ashley J. 'Ash' Williams, Army of Darkness ~~~~~ Author of several stories, which can be found here: http://members.chello.nl/~jg.temolder1/

2004-07-04 08:48:55+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (3D Master <3d.master@chello.nl>)


Sandra S wrote: > On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 19:34:46 -0400, forge > <forge@diespammers.youneedageek.com> wrote: > >> In article <opsacxatiyjtszlz@news.verizon.net>, >> Sandra S <sandora@verizon.net> wrote: >> >>> Right-Rebecca Romjin, Heidi Klum, Giselle Bundchen wouldn't be any >>> competition >>> for other women! >> >> >> Romijn is starting to look all right now that she's getting a little >> older. But given the choice between Klum, Bundchen or... Alyson >> Hannigan? Aly. Me personally I'll date a "real" woman before I'll go >> for some fantasy chick. >> > > > > But would you date Riff Regan? Who the hell is Riff Regan? 3D Master -- ~~~~~ "I've got something to say; it's better to burn out than to fade away!" - The Kurgan, Highlander "Give me some sugar, baby!" - Ashley J. 'Ash' Williams, Army of Darkness ~~~~~ Author of several stories, which can be found here: http://members.chello.nl/~jg.temolder1/

2004-07-04 09:14:33-04:00 - Re: CC's implants - (forge <forge@diespammers.youneedageek.com>)


In article <WdPFc.53873$3N6.13155@amsnews05.chello.com>, 3D Master <3d.master@chello.nl> wrote: > But purely sexually speaking only fetishists will have any REAL interest > in the skin-on-bones model. Men want women, not skeletons. As someone on this group once relayed, "it's like fucking a bicycle."

2004-07-04 11:37:03+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (shuggie@NOSPAMgmail.com)


In alt.tv.angel 3D Master <3d.master@chello.nl> wrote: > Sandra S wrote: > >> On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 12:05:41 -0700, Mark Jones <sinanju@pacifier.com> >> wrote: >> >> Same with Charisma Carpenter- I saw a lot of barbs about her weight gain >> during season 4, and most came from men, not women. > > Well, duh! But you must put this in perspective, she did not gain > weight, she gained a baby. A man sees this, a man knows he can't > impregnate her because she already is pregnant, behind every sexual > drive, deep down in someone's psyche lies procreation - no procreation > possible, desireabitlity goes down severely. > And yet many men *do* find pregnant women sexy. I guess that pregnancy, like large breasts and big hips, are visible evidence of fertility and hence sexually attractive.

2004-07-04 12:20:19+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (shuggie@NOSPAMgmail.com)


In alt.tv.angel alphakitten <alphakittenx@netscape.net> wrote: > > > 3D Master wrote: >> Sandra S wrote: >> <snip> >>> But would you date Riff Regan? >> >> >> Who the hell is Riff Regan? >> >> > > The original Willow, who was recast after the unaired pilot was shot. > She was rather overweight (as in real life overweight, not Hollywood's > retarded standards for "overweight" like Drew or Liv). > She was quite attractive though. I think it's clear that it was her performance not her size that lost her the chance to reprise the role. She played Willow as *just* the shy, insecure nerd without the personality bubbling underneath that Aly brought to it.

2004-07-04 16:31:15+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (shuggie@NOSPAMgmail.com)


In alt.tv.angel alphakitten <alphakittenx@netscape.net> wrote: > > > shuggie wrote: >> In alt.tv.angel alphakitten <alphakittenx@netscape.net> wrote: >> >>> >>>3D Master wrote: >>> >>>>Sandra S wrote: >>>> >>> >> <snip> >> >>>>>But would you date Riff Regan? >>>> >>>> >>>>Who the hell is Riff Regan? >>>> >>>> >>> >>>The original Willow, who was recast after the unaired pilot was shot. >>>She was rather overweight (as in real life overweight, not Hollywood's >>>retarded standards for "overweight" like Drew or Liv). >>> >> >> >> She was quite attractive though. I think it's clear that it was her >> performance not her size that lost her the chance to reprise the role. > > > > I wouldn't bet on that. You know how networks are... > > I also know how Joss is and if he'd wanted Riff he'd've fought for her.

2004-07-04 16:32:34+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (shuggie@NOSPAMgmail.com)


In alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer John Briggs <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote: > shuggie wrote: >> In alt.tv.angel alphakitten <alphakittenx@netscape.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> 3D Master wrote: >>>> Sandra S wrote: >>>> >> <snip> >>>>> But would you date Riff Regan? >>>> >>>> >>>> Who the hell is Riff Regan? >>>> >>>> >>> >>> The original Willow, who was recast after the unaired pilot was shot. >>> She was rather overweight (as in real life overweight, not Hollywood's >>> retarded standards for "overweight" like Drew or Liv). >>> >> >> She was quite attractive though. I think it's clear that it was her >> performance not her size that lost her the chance to reprise the role. >> She played Willow as *just* the shy, insecure nerd without the >> personality bubbling underneath that Aly brought to it. > > She played Willow to the best of her ability - it just wasn't good enough. I don't disagree with that.

2004-07-04 17:10:10+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (John Briggs <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com>)


shuggie wrote: > In alt.tv.angel alphakitten <alphakittenx@netscape.net> wrote: >> >> >> 3D Master wrote: >>> Sandra S wrote: >>> > <snip> >>>> But would you date Riff Regan? >>> >>> >>> Who the hell is Riff Regan? >>> >>> >> >> The original Willow, who was recast after the unaired pilot was shot. >> She was rather overweight (as in real life overweight, not Hollywood's >> retarded standards for "overweight" like Drew or Liv). >> > > She was quite attractive though. I think it's clear that it was her > performance not her size that lost her the chance to reprise the role. > She played Willow as *just* the shy, insecure nerd without the > personality bubbling underneath that Aly brought to it. She played Willow to the best of her ability - it just wasn't good enough. -- John Briggs

2004-07-04 20:28:55-04:00 - Re: CC's implants - ("David E. Milligan" <davideml@bellsouth.net>)


"forge" <forge@diespammers.youneedageek.com> wrote in message news:forge-B75431.09143304072004@comcast.dca.giganews.com... > In article <WdPFc.53873$3N6.13155@amsnews05.chello.com>, > 3D Master <3d.master@chello.nl> wrote: > > > But purely sexually speaking only fetishists will have any REAL interest > > in the skin-on-bones model. Men want women, not skeletons. > > As someone on this group once relayed, "it's like fucking a bicycle." OR -- I'd rather be lying on a pillow than a pile of sticks.

2004-07-04 21:51:47+10:00 - Re: CC's implants - (alphakitten <alphakittenx@netscape.net>)


3D Master wrote: > Sandra S wrote: > >> On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 19:34:46 -0400, forge >> <forge@diespammers.youneedageek.com> wrote: >> >>> In article <opsacxatiyjtszlz@news.verizon.net>, >>> Sandra S <sandora@verizon.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Right-Rebecca Romjin, Heidi Klum, Giselle Bundchen wouldn't be any >>>> competition >>>> for other women! >>> >>> >>> >>> Romijn is starting to look all right now that she's getting a little >>> older. But given the choice between Klum, Bundchen or... Alyson >>> Hannigan? Aly. Me personally I'll date a "real" woman before I'll go >>> for some fantasy chick. >>> >> >> >> >> But would you date Riff Regan? > > > Who the hell is Riff Regan? > > > 3D Master > -- > ~~~~~ The original Willow, who was recast after the unaired pilot was shot. She was rather overweight (as in real life overweight, not Hollywood's retarded standards for "overweight" like Drew or Liv). ~Angel ~Angel

2004-07-05 01:58:56+10:00 - Re: CC's implants - (alphakitten <alphakittenx@netscape.net>)


shuggie wrote: > In alt.tv.angel alphakitten <alphakittenx@netscape.net> wrote: > >> >>3D Master wrote: >> >>>Sandra S wrote: >>> >> > <snip> > >>>>But would you date Riff Regan? >>> >>> >>>Who the hell is Riff Regan? >>> >>> >> >>The original Willow, who was recast after the unaired pilot was shot. >>She was rather overweight (as in real life overweight, not Hollywood's >>retarded standards for "overweight" like Drew or Liv). >> > > > She was quite attractive though. I think it's clear that it was her > performance not her size that lost her the chance to reprise the role. I wouldn't bet on that. You know how networks are... ~Angel

2004-07-05 02:24:39+10:00 - Re: CC's implants - (alphakitten <alphakittenx@netscape.net>)


Sandra S wrote: > > Sure, men like Boreanaz (who seems to have the mindset of an adolescent) > will > choose the centerfold. But I still think more sophisticated types would > probably want the model. > > > Sandra In terms of models, most guys, sophisticated or adolescent, would want Laetitia Casta, Estella Warren, Tyra Banks or Heidi Klum. From the neck down, they're hardly radically different from centerfolds. ~Angel

2004-07-05 05:04:51+10:00 - Re: CC's implants - (alphakitten <alphakittenx@netscape.net>)


shuggie wrote: > In alt.tv.angel alphakitten <alphakittenx@netscape.net> wrote: > >> >>shuggie wrote: >> >>>In alt.tv.angel alphakitten <alphakittenx@netscape.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>3D Master wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Sandra S wrote: >>>>> >>>> >>><snip> >>> >>>>>>But would you date Riff Regan? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Who the hell is Riff Regan? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>The original Willow, who was recast after the unaired pilot was shot. >>>>She was rather overweight (as in real life overweight, not Hollywood's >>>>retarded standards for "overweight" like Drew or Liv). >>>> >>> >>> >>>She was quite attractive though. I think it's clear that it was her >>>performance not her size that lost her the chance to reprise the role. >> >> >> >>I wouldn't bet on that. You know how networks are... >> >> > > > I also know how Joss is and if he'd wanted Riff he'd've fought for her. I'm not disputing that her performance was lacking, just that her size was irrelevant. FWIW, he wanted Cordelia to be African-American, the WB didn't. We know who won that fight. ~Angel

2004-07-05 05:14:10+10:00 - Re: CC's implants - (alphakitten <alphakittenx@netscape.net>)


Alicat wrote: > On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 02:24:39 +1000, alphakitten > <alphakittenx@netscape.net> wrote: > > >> >>Sandra S wrote: >> >> >>>Sure, men like Boreanaz (who seems to have the mindset of an adolescent) >>>will >>>choose the centerfold. But I still think more sophisticated types would >>>probably want the model. >>> >>> >>>Sandra >> >> >> >> >>In terms of models, most guys, sophisticated or adolescent, would want >>Laetitia Casta, Estella Warren, Tyra Banks or Heidi Klum. From the neck >>down, they're hardly radically different from centerfolds. >> >> >> ~Angel > > > Those are not runway (i.e. clothes) models; they are expensive > underwear and cosmetics type models. There is a difference in > function, as well as form. > > adios, > alicat > > And they're the only models the average guy can name. Which was my point, essentially. ~Angel

2004-07-05 09:06:47+10:00 - Re: CC's implants - (alphakitten <alphakittenx@netscape.net>)


Alicat wrote: > On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 05:14:10 +1000, alphakitten > <alphakittenx@netscape.net> wrote: > > >> >>Alicat wrote: >> >>>On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 02:24:39 +1000, alphakitten >>><alphakittenx@netscape.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Sandra S wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Sure, men like Boreanaz (who seems to have the mindset of an adolescent) >>>>>will >>>>>choose the centerfold. But I still think more sophisticated types would >>>>>probably want the model. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Sandra >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>In terms of models, most guys, sophisticated or adolescent, would want >>>>Laetitia Casta, Estella Warren, Tyra Banks or Heidi Klum. From the neck >>>>down, they're hardly radically different from centerfolds. >>>> >>>> >>>> ~Angel >>> >>> >>>Those are not runway (i.e. clothes) models; they are expensive >>>underwear and cosmetics type models. There is a difference in >>>function, as well as form. >>> >>>adios, >>>alicat >>> >>> >> >> >>And they're the only models the average guy can name. Which was my >>point, essentially. >> >> >> ~Angel > > > What you said is true....but I question if these ladies truly > represent what the average person (well, women) mean when they use the > word "model". These are the kind of ladies that cross over, quite > often, and become actresses. They don't do runway shows (or print > layouts, like in Vogue) unless they are Victoria's Secret....and are > really more "pin ups" in the old fashioned sense, than they are > models. > > adios, > alicat > Laetitia and Tyra both did runway and print layouts earlier in their careers. I get your point, though. ~Angel

2004-07-05 12:27:59+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <ifrde0hod403o56aif99hn9obnb5vgf4ve@4ax.com>, striketoo@hotmail.com wrote: > On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 17:22:45 GMT, BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> > wrote: > > >The point is, > > IN YOUR OPINION > > >Carpenter never stopped looking good. > > Other's disagree. And that doesn't make them wrong. It doesn't make them right, either.

2004-07-05 21:04:21+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <982je0hrpi03d10koc63mjvb6r65ini0l5@4ax.com>, inboxof-alicat_REMOVE_THIS_@yahoo.com wrote: > Just a postscript: Did you know that Laetitia Casta is France's iconic > Marianne now? She follows Catherine Deneuve in this role - its > basically being declared the most perfectly beautiful woman in France > of her generation. And I would agree. I don't think there is a more > beautiful woman in the world Rhona Mitra

2004-07-06 00:16:18+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (nimue <cup_o_cakesNOSPAM@yahoo.com>)


alphakitten wrote: > Sandra S wrote: > >> >> Sure, men like Boreanaz (who seems to have the mindset of an >> adolescent) will >> choose the centerfold. But I still think more sophisticated types >> would probably want the model. >> >> >> Sandra > > > > > In terms of models, most guys, sophisticated or adolescent, would want > Laetitia Casta, Estella Warren, Tyra Banks or Heidi Klum. You know, I think Laetitia, Estella, and Tyra are absolutely gorgeous, but for some reason Heidi Klum just leaves me cold. She does nothing for me. Weird, isn't it? It's the Jessica Simpson factor -- I KNOW this woman is considered sexy and gorgeous, but I just don't get it. >From the > neck down, they're hardly radically different from centerfolds. > > > ~Angel -- nimue "If I had created reality television I would have had a much greater influence, but then I would have had to KILL MYSELF." Joss Whedon

2004-07-06 02:20:29+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (John Briggs <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com>)


alphakitten wrote: > shuggie wrote: >> In alt.tv.angel alphakitten <alphakittenx@netscape.net> wrote: >> >>> >>> shuggie wrote: >>> >>>> In alt.tv.angel alphakitten <alphakittenx@netscape.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> 3D Master wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Sandra S wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> <snip> >>>> >>>>>>> But would you date Riff Regan? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Who the hell is Riff Regan? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The original Willow, who was recast after the unaired pilot was shot. >>>>> She was rather overweight (as in real life overweight, not Hollywood's >>>>> retarded standards for "overweight" like Drew or Liv). >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> She was quite attractive though. I think it's clear that it was her >>>> performance not her size that lost her the chance to reprise the role. >>> >>> >>> >>> I wouldn't bet on that. You know how networks are... >>> >>> >> >> >> I also know how Joss is and if he'd wanted Riff he'd've fought for her. > > > > I'm not disputing that her performance was lacking, just that her size > was irrelevant. > > FWIW, he wanted Cordelia to be African-American, the WB didn't. > We know who won that fight. > How do we know that? CC played Cordelia in the Unaired Pilot. -- John Briggs

2004-07-06 02:37:30+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <h3qje01gpm1vldmjvaolh08lkjrkp2aj2t@4ax.com>, striketoo@hotmail.com wrote: > On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 12:27:59 GMT, BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> > wrote: > > >In article <ifrde0hod403o56aif99hn9obnb5vgf4ve@4ax.com>, > >striketoo@hotmail.com wrote: > > > >> On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 17:22:45 GMT, BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> >The point is, > >> > >> IN YOUR OPINION > >> > >> >Carpenter never stopped looking good. > >> > >> Other's disagree. And that doesn't make them wrong. > > > >It doesn't make them right, either. > > Actually, if beauty is in the eye of the beholder, it does. That's a big "if".

2004-07-06 04:23:04+10:00 - Re: CC's implants - (alphakitten <alphakittenx@netscape.net>)


Alicat wrote: > On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 09:06:47 +1000, alphakitten > <alphakittenx@netscape.net> wrote: > > >> >>Alicat wrote: >> >>>On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 05:14:10 +1000, alphakitten >>><alphakittenx@netscape.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Alicat wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 02:24:39 +1000, alphakitten >>>>><alphakittenx@netscape.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Sandra S wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Sure, men like Boreanaz (who seems to have the mindset of an adolescent) >>>>>>>will >>>>>>>choose the centerfold. But I still think more sophisticated types would >>>>>>>probably want the model. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Sandra >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>In terms of models, most guys, sophisticated or adolescent, would want >>>>>>Laetitia Casta, Estella Warren, Tyra Banks or Heidi Klum. From the neck >>>>>>down, they're hardly radically different from centerfolds. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ~Angel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Those are not runway (i.e. clothes) models; they are expensive >>>>>underwear and cosmetics type models. There is a difference in >>>>>function, as well as form. >>>>> >>>>>adios, >>>>>alicat >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>And they're the only models the average guy can name. Which was my >>>>point, essentially. >>>> >>>> >>>> ~Angel >>> >>> >>>What you said is true....but I question if these ladies truly >>>represent what the average person (well, women) mean when they use the >>>word "model". These are the kind of ladies that cross over, quite >>>often, and become actresses. They don't do runway shows (or print >>>layouts, like in Vogue) unless they are Victoria's Secret....and are >>>really more "pin ups" in the old fashioned sense, than they are >>>models. >>> >>>adios, >>>alicat >>> >> >> >>Laetitia and Tyra both did runway and print layouts earlier in their >>careers. I get your point, though. >> >> >> ~Angel > > > Just a postscript: Did you know that Laetitia Casta is France's iconic > Marianne now? She follows Catherine Deneuve in this role - its > basically being declared the most perfectly beautiful woman in France > of her generation. And I would agree. I don't think there is a more > beautiful woman in the world (well, Aishwari Rai is pretty spectacular > too...). > > adios, > alicat > Well and thoroughly seconded. Casta is just unfathomably beautiful. Not to mention, as Giles would say, *exceedingly* well proportioned. ~Angel

2004-07-06 06:24:11+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (James Craine <JamesCraine@Hotmail.com>)


Snuggles wrote: > In article <ifrde0hod403o56aif99hn9obnb5vgf4ve@4ax.com>, > st <striketoo@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>>Carpenter never stopped looking good. >> >>Other's disagree. And that doesn't make them wrong. > > > It was CC's haircuts and dye jobs that ruined her look for me more than > anything else. Short and blonde?!?!? What they hell were they thinking? One thing I like about Eliza Dushku, she always looks the same and always great. From her first movie "That Night" to "Tru Calling" she has always kept the same hairstyle. Which I like so I think that this is a good thing.

2004-07-06 07:47:20+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (nospam@nospam.com)


In article <sufpd0llfaf6uuesrjvjrd2ig5p8airuh8@4ax.com>, shawn <nanoflowerREMOVESPAM@zoomnet.net> wrote: > >I know that Alyson was asked to wear them some times, but I don't >remember that others were asked to do so. Certainly Charisma didn't >need the help. I can't imaging MT did either as they normally didn't >try and objectify Dawn and she was developing nicely without any aid. They didn't need to objectify Dawn; the heterosexual male viewers do that for them. -- Please reply to: | "I'm a blood sucking fiend. Look at pciszek at panix dot com | my outfit!"

2004-07-06 12:56:22+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (John Briggs <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com>)


alphakitten wrote: > John Briggs wrote: >> alphakitten wrote: >> >>> shuggie wrote: >>> >>>> In alt.tv.angel alphakitten <alphakittenx@netscape.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> shuggie wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> In alt.tv.angel alphakitten <alphakittenx@netscape.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> 3D Master wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sandra S wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> <snip> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But would you date Riff Regan? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Who the hell is Riff Regan? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The original Willow, who was recast after the unaired pilot was >>>>>>> shot. She was rather overweight (as in real life overweight, not >>>>>>> Hollywood's retarded standards for "overweight" like Drew or Liv). >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> She was quite attractive though. I think it's clear that it was her >>>>>> performance not her size that lost her the chance to reprise the >>>>>> role. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I wouldn't bet on that. You know how networks are... >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I also know how Joss is and if he'd wanted Riff he'd've fought for her. >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm not disputing that her performance was lacking, just that her size >>> was irrelevant. >>> >>> FWIW, he wanted Cordelia to be African-American, the WB didn't. >>> We know who won that fight. >>> >> >> >> How do we know that? CC played Cordelia in the Unaired Pilot. > > > He's talked about it in several interviews. > You shouldn't rely on what Joss says in interviews. CC played Cordelia in the Unaired Pilot. That was before The WB picked up the show, so if anyone had any influence at that point it was Fox Studio. -- John Briggs

2004-07-06 18:45:35+10:00 - Re: CC's implants - (alphakitten <alphakittenx@netscape.net>)


John Briggs wrote: > alphakitten wrote: > >>shuggie wrote: >> >>>In alt.tv.angel alphakitten <alphakittenx@netscape.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>shuggie wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>In alt.tv.angel alphakitten <alphakittenx@netscape.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>3D Master wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Sandra S wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>><snip> >>>>> >>>>>>>>But would you date Riff Regan? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Who the hell is Riff Regan? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>The original Willow, who was recast after the unaired pilot was shot. >>>>>>She was rather overweight (as in real life overweight, not Hollywood's >>>>>>retarded standards for "overweight" like Drew or Liv). >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>She was quite attractive though. I think it's clear that it was her >>>>>performance not her size that lost her the chance to reprise the role. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>I wouldn't bet on that. You know how networks are... >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>I also know how Joss is and if he'd wanted Riff he'd've fought for her. >> >> >> >>I'm not disputing that her performance was lacking, just that her size >>was irrelevant. >> >>FWIW, he wanted Cordelia to be African-American, the WB didn't. >>We know who won that fight. >> > > > How do we know that? CC played Cordelia in the Unaired Pilot. He's talked about it in several interviews. ~Angel

2004-07-06 19:45:06+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Mike Craney <mcraney@hotop.com>)


In article <hrqle01bi4koud5l51hq549f6f9atgfknu@4ax.com>, me@privacy.net says... > On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 21:04:21 GMT, BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> > wrote: > > >In article <982je0hrpi03d10koc63mjvb6r65ini0l5@4ax.com>, > >inboxof-alicat_REMOVE_THIS_@yahoo.com wrote: > > > >> Just a postscript: Did you know that Laetitia Casta is France's iconic > >> Marianne now? She follows Catherine Deneuve in this role - its > >> basically being declared the most perfectly beautiful woman in France > >> of her generation. And I would agree. I don't think there is a more > >> beautiful woman in the world > > > >Rhona Mitra > > > I know these things are entirely subjective, BTR, but after scanning > through numerous photos of Ms. Mitra on a number of websites (just > trying to make a fair assessment here), I would say she isn't even as > beautiful as Monica Bellucci (actually not even close). Eyes too small > and lips too collagen enhanced, just to begin with. Nice bod, though. I concur. I can see why you chose Belluci to compare her with, but she doesn't have Monica's sensuality. Mike

2004-07-06 23:28:17+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Mike Craney <mcraney@hotop.com>)


In article <2o8me099dvd63c3nls4apsvs9oms3ldhnc@4ax.com>, striketoo@hotmail.com says... > On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 11:13:59 -0700, Alicat <me@privacy.net> wrote: > > >On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 21:04:21 GMT, BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> > >wrote: > > > >>In article <982je0hrpi03d10koc63mjvb6r65ini0l5@4ax.com>, > >>inboxof-alicat_REMOVE_THIS_@yahoo.com wrote: > >> > >>> Just a postscript: Did you know that Laetitia Casta is France's iconic > >>> Marianne now? She follows Catherine Deneuve in this role - its > >>> basically being declared the most perfectly beautiful woman in France > >>> of her generation. And I would agree. I don't think there is a more > >>> beautiful woman in the world > >> > >>Rhona Mitra > > > > > >I know these things are entirely subjective, BTR, but after scanning > >through numerous photos of Ms. Mitra on a number of websites (just > >trying to make a fair assessment here), I would say she isn't even as > >beautiful as Monica Bellucci (actually not even close). Eyes too small > >and lips too collagen enhanced, just to begin with. Nice bod, though. > > She dresses up like Lara Croft, for some guys, thats enough. Its a big > boob/gun thing. Yea, I got that. She's got this tomboy vibe thing going on. Doesn't work for me. Mike

2004-07-07 02:23:28+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <hrqle01bi4koud5l51hq549f6f9atgfknu@4ax.com>, inboxof-alicat_REMOVE_THIS_@yahoo.com wrote: > On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 21:04:21 GMT, BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> > wrote: > > >In article <982je0hrpi03d10koc63mjvb6r65ini0l5@4ax.com>, > >inboxof-alicat_REMOVE_THIS_@yahoo.com wrote: > > > >> Just a postscript: Did you know that Laetitia Casta is France's iconic > >> Marianne now? She follows Catherine Deneuve in this role - its > >> basically being declared the most perfectly beautiful woman in France > >> of her generation. And I would agree. I don't think there is a more > >> beautiful woman in the world > > > >Rhona Mitra > > > I know these things are entirely subjective, BTR, but after scanning > through numerous photos of Ms. Mitra on a number of websites (just > trying to make a fair assessment here), I would say she isn't even as > beautiful as Monica Bellucci Sorry, but Bellucci leaves me cold. Doesn't do a thing for me.

2004-07-07 04:02:35+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Mike Craney <mcraney@hotop.com>)


[This followup was posted to alt.tv.angel and a copy was sent to the cited author.] In article <BTR1702-9BC5F8.22241106072004@news.west.earthlink.net>, BTR1702@ix.netcom.com says... > In article <hrqle01bi4koud5l51hq549f6f9atgfknu@4ax.com>, > inboxof-alicat_REMOVE_THIS_@yahoo.com wrote: > > > On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 21:04:21 GMT, BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> > > wrote: > > > > >In article <982je0hrpi03d10koc63mjvb6r65ini0l5@4ax.com>, > > >inboxof-alicat_REMOVE_THIS_@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > > >> Just a postscript: Did you know that Laetitia Casta is France's iconic > > >> Marianne now? She follows Catherine Deneuve in this role - its > > >> basically being declared the most perfectly beautiful woman in France > > >> of her generation. And I would agree. I don't think there is a more > > >> beautiful woman in the world > > > > > >Rhona Mitra > > > > > > I know these things are entirely subjective, BTR, but after scanning > > through numerous photos of Ms. Mitra on a number of websites (just > > trying to make a fair assessment here), I would say she isn't even as > > beautiful as Monica Bellucci > > Sorry, but Bellucci leaves me cold. Doesn't do a thing for me. DAMN! In the Matrix movies, she could have raised the dead. Lot of middle aged men didn't need their Viagra after THAT performance..... Mike

2004-07-08 07:59:14+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (ajsolis@aol.com)


> >You shouldn't rely on what Joss says in interviews. CC played Cordelia in >the Unaired Pilot. That was before The WB picked up the show, so if anyone >had any influence at that point it was Fox Studio. From what I read the problem was that Bianca Lawson had schedule conflicts. <shrugs> If there was any more effort to cast an african american as Cordy, I've never heard of it.

2004-07-08 08:17:58-04:00 - Re: CC's implants - (forge <forge@diespammers.youneedageek.com>)


In article <fghoe012ea5eccg098q4f40fh60asb524j@4ax.com>, Alicat <me@privacy.net> wrote: > Of course, part of it as far as I'm concerned is a general air of > intelligence. I've seen interviews with both Laeticia Casta and Monica > Bellucci and they both come across as unpretentious and not silly. > Nothing makes me more embarrassed for my gender than a silly female > (i.e. Jessica whatever her name is, or Britney "gonna get married more > times than Liz before I'm done" Spears). Laetitia and Monica (and naturally Lena Olin etc) have the European "je ne sais quoi" that implies maturity, a decent upbringing and maybe even a halfway decent education. These things are not valued as highly in America.

2004-07-08 09:40:59-07:00 - Re: CC's implants - (AthlonRob <junkmail@axpr.net>)


On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 00:31:57 -0400, st <striketoo@hotmail.com> wrote: > Real life also tends to bring one very important question to mind that > doesn't really have much importance on celluloid. > > Do I have a chance? In real life, at least for me, this has an *enormous* impact on how a woman looks to me. Women I wouldn't normally give a second glance can end up more appealing than most anybody if it starts to seem there's that chance. :-) -- Rob | If not safe, Email and Jabber: | one can never be free. athlonrob at axpr dot net |

2004-07-08 09:52:43-07:00 - Re: CC's implants - (AthlonRob <junkmail@axpr.net>)


On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 11:13:59 -0700, Alicat <me@privacy.net> wrote: >>Rhona Mitra > > I know these things are entirely subjective, BTR, but after scanning > through numerous photos of Ms. Mitra on a number of websites (just > trying to make a fair assessment here), I would say she isn't even as > beautiful as Monica Bellucci (actually not even close). Eyes too small > and lips too collagen enhanced, just to begin with. Nice bod, though. Ah, but she has the accent... -- Rob | If not safe, Email and Jabber: | one can never be free. athlonrob at axpr dot net |

2004-07-08 22:44:43+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (nimue <cup_o_cakesNOSPAM@yahoo.com>)


AthlonRob wrote: > On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 00:31:57 -0400, st <striketoo@hotmail.com> wrote: >> Real life also tends to bring one very important question to mind >> that doesn't really have much importance on celluloid. >> >> Do I have a chance? > > In real life, at least for me, this has an *enormous* impact on how a > woman looks to me. Women I wouldn't normally give a second glance can > end up more appealing than most anybody if it starts to seem there's > that chance. :-) Wow. That is really honest. -- nimue "If I had created reality television I would have had a much greater influence, but then I would have had to KILL MYSELF." Joss Whedon

2004-07-09 06:15:46+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (aej17DELETEME@comcast.net)


In alt.tv.angel Alicat <me@privacy.net> wrote: > > Just a postscript: Did you know that Laetitia Casta is France's iconic > Marianne now? She follows Catherine Deneuve in this role - its > basically being declared the most perfectly beautiful woman in France > of her generation. And I would agree. I don't think there is a more > beautiful woman in the world (well, Aishwari Rai is pretty spectacular > too...). > > adios, > alicat Casta is obviously good looking and sexy. There's no real questioning that (although she is not, and never will be a "Deneuve" no matter what anyone says). But, sheesh, most beautiful woman in the world? With the likes of Gong Li, Maggie Cheung, Catherine Zeta-Jones, and Halle Berry, etc ... that seems like a tall claim. On the other hand, talent can influence one's appreciation of pure physical beauty. Watching Maria Sharapova win Wimbledon, for example, was an amazing experience for me. Here she is, this tall, blonde, slim Siberian goddess blasting serves, forehands, backhands and then tossing lobs all over the court ... wow. So, my having seen Gong Li or Maggie Cheung light up the screen with electricity, as opposed to have never having seen Casta in anything but photos affects my judgement. Or, maybe not. Go see IN THE MOOD FOR LOVE and tell me that Maggie Cheung is not painfully beautiful (especially in those cheongsam dresses). Hell, just go rent IN THE MOOD FOR LOVE to see a great film with a superb cast, wonderful music, a fascinating setting, all directed by a master. -- AE Jabbour "If nothing we do matters, then all that matters is what we do." - Angel, "Epiphany"

2004-07-10 00:38:19+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (aej17DELETEME@comcast.net)


In alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer Alicat <me@privacy.net> wrote: > On 9 Jul 2004 06:15:46 GMT, aej17DELETEME@comcast.net (A.E. Jabbour) > wrote: >> >>Casta is obviously good looking and sexy. There's no real questioning >>that (although she is not, and never will be a "Deneuve" no matter what >>anyone says). >> > Well, see - just like I said originally, this is a very subjective > subject to discuss, right? Of course it is. But again, I think the fact that I haven't seen Casts *do* anything probably has an effect on my opinion. Ms. Deneuve has been a favorite actress of mine since I first saw her. So, her beauty is enhanced by the fact that I have seen her glow on the screen, seen her turn in unforgettable performances, and seen her act in films for more than forty years. >>But, sheesh, most beautiful woman in the world? With the likes of >>Gong Li, Maggie Cheung, Catherine Zeta-Jones, and Halle Berry, etc ... >>that seems like a tall claim. > > Gong Li is truly gorgeous, don't know who Maggie Cheung is (but given > your recommendation below, I'll go check her out for future inclusion > in one of my silly lists), Catherine Zeta-Jones....eh, and Halle Berry > never makes my list because she is an idjut. Actually, I don't know much (anything?) about Halle Berry. But she has an almost impossibly beautiful face, and I have seen her be a decent actress at least a couple times. Maggie Cheung is an actress without match in the world. I don't mean that she is the best actress in the world, though many would make that claim. But there is no one who has the diversity of roles which she has evidenced. It's truly astounding the number of films she has been in, the whacky action wuxia flicks, the award-winning quiet romantic films, the historical films, the everything-including-the- kitchen-sink films ... all of it. Performances given in English, in Cantonese, in French (upcoming), and I think at least one in Mandarin (though I could be wrong about that). Oh, and she will be forty this September, and she has been in about eighty features so far. The woman really is one of a kind. >>On the other hand, talent can influence one's appreciation of pure >>physical beauty. Watching Maria Sharapova win Wimbledon, for example, >>was an amazing experience for me. Here she is, this tall, blonde, >>slim Siberian goddess blasting serves, forehands, backhands and then >>tossing lobs all over the court ... wow. > > Sorry, I hate tennis. Its like watching Pong (remember Pong?). But Ms. > Sharapova is quite beautiful, albeit very young, and sounds quite > bright in the interviews I've seen. So I applaud your taste there.... > Ever seen the Swedish skier Pernilla Weberg? Same comments you made > about Sharapova I would make about watching Pernilla fly down a hill, > faster than anybody else whilst risking life and limb, looking really > good! I do know who Wiberg is. Though I don't know much about skiing, other than what I learn (and then forget) every four years during the Winter Games. I have a love/hate relationship with tennis. It is nowhere near as much fun to watch as it was when Chrissie was up against Martina. But first Hingis, and now Sharapova renewed my interest. And of course, on the men's side, there is the incomparable Roger Federer. >>So, my having seen Gong Li or Maggie Cheung light up the screen with >>electricity, as opposed to have never having seen Casta in anything >>but photos affects my judgement. >> >>Or, maybe not. Go see IN THE MOOD FOR LOVE and tell me that Maggie >>Cheung is not painfully beautiful (especially in those cheongsam >>dresses). Hell, just go rent IN THE MOOD FOR LOVE to see a great film >>with a superb cast, wonderful music, a fascinating setting, all >>directed by a master. > > OK. I appreciate film recommendations - there are so few movies > released in the theaters these days that I have any interest in > seeing. Spidey 2 was amusing for two hours and then I couldn't > remember much about it at all....but since I have a 13 year old boy, I > could hardly avoid seeing it. Ooooh, I really liked Spidey 2. And I am not a fan of blockbusters, and I gravely disliked the first one. But this one simply had it all, and more. It was a LOT of fun. Another cool Maggie film is IRMA VEP. She plays herself. It's cool. -- AE Jabbour "OK, at this point, you're *abusing* sarcasm." -Buffy Anne Summers, NKaBotFD

2004-07-10 01:48:25+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (aej17DELETEME@comcast.net)


In alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer Alicat <me@privacy.net> wrote: > On 10 Jul 2004 00:38:19 GMT, aej17DELETEME@comcast.net (A.E. Jabbour) > wrote: >> >>Of course it is. But again, I think the fact that I haven't seen >>Casts *do* anything probably has an effect on my opinion. Ms. >>Deneuve has been a favorite actress of mine since I first saw her. >>So, her beauty is enhanced by the fact that I have seen her glow on >>the screen, seen her turn in unforgettable performances, and seen >>her act in films for more than forty years. > > I would never denigrate the talent or beauty of Catherine > Deneuve...however, we are talking about pure physical beauty here and > Laetitia Casta is not an actress (as far as I know, but then again > models seem to turn into actresses in the twinkling of an eye these > days). I have never seen Ms. Casta in anything other than fashion > layouts and Victoria's Secret catalogs except for one television > feature that interviewed her at home with her parents (this was some > years ago - she is married with a baby now), and she was completely > scrubbed free of all makeup, wearing a tshirt and jeans, and looked > incredibly beautiful. She is very sexy. But I still think Catherine Deneuve is (was) more purely beautiful, really. Good lord, have you ever seen UMBRELLAS OF CHERBOURG or "Belle du jour" ? Yikes. >>Actually, I don't know much (anything?) about Halle Berry. But she >>has an almost impossibly beautiful face, and I have seen her be a >>decent actress at least a couple times. > > You missed her Oscar acceptance speech? Lucky you! No, I saw it. I don't hold it against her. She was overcome, and it showed, and I actually found it sort of moving. Yes, she looked sort of silly, but they were real tears and real emotions, so it's no skin off of my nose. >>Ooooh, I really liked Spidey 2. And I am not a fan of blockbusters, >>and I gravely disliked the first one. But this one simply had it all, >>and more. It was a LOT of fun. > > It was fun. Even though Toby had so little to do - just stand around > with your big blue eyes and look all conflicted. He was *so good* in > Sea Biscuit that I was a tad embarrassed for him, being in such a > silly role, but I'm sure he didn't mind in the slightest! A. Molina > made the movie much better than it might have been, don't you think? I think we saw different films. :) I didn't see SEABISCUIT, so I can't comment. But I thought he was excellent in S2. And I loved Kirsten Dunst in the Oscar Wilde, too. Molina did a very good job, and the character was well written too. He was a sympathetic, but still very dangerous, villain. >>Another cool Maggie film is IRMA VEP. She plays herself. It's cool. > > Sort of like John Malkovich? Jes' kiddin.... Heh. Oh, btw, there are two Maggie Cheung's. There's the *other* Maggie Cheung, Maggie Cheung Ho Yee (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0156430/); and then there is *the* Maggie Cheung, Maggie Cheung Man-Yuk (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001041/). This whole Hong-Kong-Star-Takes-Western-First-Name thing just makes things way more confused. Like the two Tony Leung's. And then, on top of it all, you have people using a totally different system for transliteration, so that Maggie Cheung Man-Yuk is referred to as Zhang Man-Yoo or something. I tell ya, it's a mess! -- AE Jabbour "OK, at this point, you're *abusing* sarcasm." -Buffy Anne Summers, NKaBotFD

2004-07-10 02:36:31+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (nimue <cup_o_cakesNOSPAM@yahoo.com>)


A.E. Jabbour wrote: > In alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer Alicat <me@privacy.net> wrote: > >> On 9 Jul 2004 06:15:46 GMT, aej17DELETEME@comcast.net (A.E. Jabbour) >> wrote: >>> >>> Casta is obviously good looking and sexy. There's no real >>> questioning that (although she is not, and never will be a >>> "Deneuve" no matter what anyone says). >>> >> Well, see - just like I said originally, this is a very subjective >> subject to discuss, right? > > Of course it is. But again, I think the fact that I haven't seen > Casts *do* anything probably has an effect on my opinion. Ms. > Deneuve has been a favorite actress of mine since I first saw her. > So, her beauty is enhanced by the fact that I have seen her glow on > the screen, seen her turn in unforgettable performances, and seen > her act in films for more than forty years. I was re-watching the original Scarlet Pimpernel (the ONLY one to watch, imo) the other day and I was looking at the first scene with Merle Oberon, the one where her character is being painted by Romney. I just couldn't stop staring at her. It seemed impossible that anyone could be so incredibly beautiful. I guess that is how you feel about Deneuve. I like Deneuve, but she is not my type. I recognize that she is considered a great beauty, however, and I know that she is an excellent actress. I find some of Deneuve's peers gorgeous, like Anouk Aimee, Claudia Cardinale (I think she's Italian, but it's the same era), etc. > >>> But, sheesh, most beautiful woman in the world? With the likes of >>> Gong Li, Maggie Cheung, Catherine Zeta-Jones, and Halle Berry, etc >>> ... that seems like a tall claim. >> >> Gong Li is truly gorgeous, don't know who Maggie Cheung is (but given >> your recommendation below, I'll go check her out for future inclusion >> in one of my silly lists), Catherine Zeta-Jones....eh, and Halle >> Berry never makes my list because she is an idjut. > > Actually, I don't know much (anything?) about Halle Berry. But she > has an almost impossibly beautiful face, and I have seen her be a > decent actress at least a couple times. > > Maggie Cheung is an actress without match in the world. I don't mean > that she is the best actress in the world, though many would make > that claim. But there is no one who has the diversity of roles which > she has evidenced. It's truly astounding the number of films she > has been in, the whacky action wuxia flicks, the award-winning quiet > romantic films, the historical films, the everything-including-the- > kitchen-sink films ... all of it. Performances given in English, > in Cantonese, in French (upcoming), and I think at least one in > Mandarin (though I could be wrong about that). > > Oh, and she will be forty this September, and she has been in about > eighty features so far. The woman really is one of a kind. > > >>> On the other hand, talent can influence one's appreciation of pure >>> physical beauty. Watching Maria Sharapova win Wimbledon, for >>> example, was an amazing experience for me. Here she is, this tall, >>> blonde, slim Siberian goddess blasting serves, forehands, backhands >>> and then tossing lobs all over the court ... wow. >> >> Sorry, I hate tennis. Its like watching Pong (remember Pong?). But >> Ms. Sharapova is quite beautiful, albeit very young, and sounds quite >> bright in the interviews I've seen. So I applaud your taste there.... >> Ever seen the Swedish skier Pernilla Weberg? Same comments you made >> about Sharapova I would make about watching Pernilla fly down a hill, >> faster than anybody else whilst risking life and limb, looking really >> good! > > I do know who Wiberg is. Though I don't know much about skiing, other > than what I learn (and then forget) every four years during the > Winter Games. > > I have a love/hate relationship with tennis. It is nowhere near as > much fun to watch as it was when Chrissie was up against Martina. > But first Hingis, and now Sharapova renewed my interest. And of > course, on the men's side, there is the incomparable Roger Federer. > > >>> So, my having seen Gong Li or Maggie Cheung light up the screen with >>> electricity, as opposed to have never having seen Casta in anything >>> but photos affects my judgement. >>> >>> Or, maybe not. Go see IN THE MOOD FOR LOVE and tell me that Maggie >>> Cheung is not painfully beautiful (especially in those cheongsam >>> dresses). Hell, just go rent IN THE MOOD FOR LOVE to see a great >>> film with a superb cast, wonderful music, a fascinating setting, all >>> directed by a master. >> >> OK. I appreciate film recommendations - there are so few movies >> released in the theaters these days that I have any interest in >> seeing. Spidey 2 was amusing for two hours and then I couldn't >> remember much about it at all....but since I have a 13 year old boy, >> I could hardly avoid seeing it. > > Ooooh, I really liked Spidey 2. And I am not a fan of blockbusters, > and I gravely disliked the first one. But this one simply had it all, > and more. It was a LOT of fun. > > Another cool Maggie film is IRMA VEP. She plays herself. It's cool. -- nimue "If I had created reality television I would have had a much greater influence, but then I would have had to KILL MYSELF." Joss Whedon

2004-07-10 10:43:02-07:00 - Re: CC's implants - (cindylover1969@hotmail.com)


> > Just a postscript: Did you know that Laetitia Casta is France's iconic > > Marianne now? She follows Catherine Deneuve in this role - its > > basically being declared the most perfectly beautiful woman in France > > of her generation. Laetitia was replaced last year by French talk show host Evelyn Thomas. Who is not a raving beauty. http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=58&story_id=1889 > Casta is obviously good looking and sexy. There's no real questioning > that (although she is not, and never will be a "Deneuve" no matter what > anyone says). For which I can only say "thank heaven." Catherine Deneuve has always been far too cold for me - I like some warmth in women. Cindylover

2004-07-11 11:37:31+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (aej17DELETEME@comcast.net)


In alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer Alicat <me@privacy.net> wrote: > On 10 Jul 2004 01:48:25 GMT, aej17DELETEME@comcast.net (A.E. Jabbour) > wrote: >> >>She is very sexy. But I still think Catherine Deneuve is (was) more >>purely beautiful, really. Good lord, have you ever seen UMBRELLAS >>OF CHERBOURG or "Belle du jour" ? Yikes. > > Yes, but as a guy do you really think she looks "approachable"? That > was always my take on Grace Kelly - flawless features and as icy as > the inside of my freezer. > Perhaps that is why I like Monica Bellucci so much - she is beautiful > and actually looks like blood flows through her veins. Does she look approachable? Hmmm. She looks as approachable as any tremendously beautiful woman I suppose. I think she is incredibly poised, intelligent, graceful, fashionable, and beautiful on top of it. Oh, and she can act too. You won't get me to criticize Ms. Bellucci in any way, believe me. Have you seen MALENA? That's her best role, as far as I am concerned. The "icy" claim is interesting, in that I think that Deneuve suffers from that because she is slightly aloof. But that is an admirable quality in her case. Grace Kelly was also a bit "above it all" but it never made me think that she was cold. A woman, especially a very beautiful woman, can benefit from her quality of being aloof, very fashionable, and talented. There simply aren't that many of them out there. [Re: Halle Berry] > Oh, God. I just wanted to set her on fire, immediately. How > embarrassing.... > I blame all this on Sally Field. Her "you like me, you really like me" > started the trend for histrionic acceptance speeches. Now I start > cringing while these women are on their way up to the podium, with a > few exceptions (Meryl Streep and Susan Sarandon, for example, always > manage to retain some dignity and style.) I still don't see the problem. If I had felt she were being false, or creating this on the spot, it would be one thing. But she was spontaneous and overcome and very emotional. One could watch that acceptance and really understand that Ms. Berry never, ever believed she would win an Oscar. I can only imagine how she felt. I used to sit there and imagine winning an Oscar. Give the girl a break. > Well, I was generalizing a lot, but really, Toby MacGuire (am I > spelling that right?) is an actor of great talent and range, and I > hope he gets to do more stuff outside the summer action flick world. His name is spelled Tobey Maguire, actually. But that's the thing, really: I didn't think that this particular "summer action flick" was indicative of the genre in general. The film really sparkled with lots of plot, good characterization, and a well-told story. >>I didn't see SEABISCUIT, so I can't comment. But I thought he was >>excellent in S2. And I loved Kirsten Dunst in the Oscar Wilde, too. > > No, he was good, and Kirsten Dunst (who withstands extreme closeups > marvelously) was good too...but you should rent Seabiscuit (you are > right - its one word, not two)....its worth seeing for Toby and Chris > Martin's performance, of which the latter rated an Oscar if anything > ever has. The reviews I read (and heard from friends) concerning SEABISCUIT led me to believe that it was a highly flawed film. I'm sure that one day I will see it, but there are a lot of problems with the story in the film. > Do you like historical kung fu flicks? Just saw a very good one, just > out on DVD called "Warriors of Heaven and Earth". I recommend it > highly, even though Gong Li isn't in it (a first!). Eagerly waiting > for "Hero", which should be released in the U.S. on the big screens > pretty soon. Yes, I would like to see that one. -- AE Jabbour "OK, at this point, you're *abusing* sarcasm." -Buffy Anne Summers, NKaBotFD

2004-07-11 11:41:58+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (aej17DELETEME@comcast.net)


In alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer Cindylover1969 <cindylover1969@hotmail.com> wrote: >> > Just a postscript: Did you know that Laetitia Casta is France's iconic >> > Marianne now? She follows Catherine Deneuve in this role - its >> > basically being declared the most perfectly beautiful woman in France >> > of her generation. > > Laetitia was replaced last year by French talk show host Evelyn > Thomas. Who is not a raving beauty. > > http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=58&story_id=1889

2004-07-11 12:29:26-04:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Patrick MM <patrick.meaney@verizon.net>)


"A.E. Jabbour" <aej17DELETEME@comcast.net> wrote in message > > Does she look approachable? Hmmm. She looks as approachable as any > tremendously beautiful woman I suppose. I think she is incredibly > poised, intelligent, graceful, fashionable, and beautiful on top of > it. Oh, and she can act too. > > You won't get me to criticize Ms. Bellucci in any way, believe me. > Have you seen MALENA? That's her best role, as far as I am > concerned. > I haven't seen Malena, but I find it tough to believe that she could top Irreversible, in which she was absolutely astonishing, in what must have been one of the toughest roles anyone's ever had to play. Patrick

2004-07-11 13:20:14+00:00 - Re: CC's implants - (nimue <cup_o_cakesNOSPAM@yahoo.com>)


A.E. Jabbour wrote: > In alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer Cindylover1969 <cindylover1969@hotmail.com> > wrote: >>>> Just a postscript: Did you know that Laetitia Casta is France's >>>> iconic Marianne now? She follows Catherine Deneuve in this role - >>>> its basically being declared the most perfectly beautiful woman in >>>> France of her generation. >> >> Laetitia was replaced last year by French talk show host Evelyn >> Thomas. Who is not a raving beauty. >> >> http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=58&story_id=1889 > > From that article, she sounds like an idiot. > > >>> Casta is obviously good looking and sexy. There's no real >>> questioning that (although she is not, and never will be a >>> "Deneuve" no matter what anyone says). >> >> For which I can only say "thank heaven." Catherine Deneuve has always >> been far too cold for me - I like some warmth in women. >> >> Cindylover > > Heh. Yeah, talent, intelligence, fashion, and beauty are such turn- > offs. No, I know what she Cindylover means. I think Catherine Deneuve lacks warmth, too. She just doesn't do it for me. Sure -- it's easy to acknowledge that she's considered beautiful and fashionable, etc., but even with all this, she still leaves me completely cold. -- nimue "If I had created reality television I would have had a much greater influence, but then I would have had to KILL MYSELF." Joss Whedon

2004-07-11 18:26:13-07:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Mark Jones <sinanju@pacifier.com>)


NSA Transcript continues: (10 Jul 2004 00:38:19 GMT) aej17DELETEME@comcast.net (A.E. Jabbour): >In alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer Alicat <me@privacy.net> wrote: > >Maggie Cheung is an actress without match in the world. I don't mean >that she is the best actress in the world, though many would make >that claim. But there is no one who has the diversity of roles which >she has evidenced. It's truly astounding the number of films she >has been in, the whacky action wuxia flicks, the award-winning quiet >romantic films, the historical films, the everything-including-the- >kitchen-sink films ... all of it. Performances given in English, >in Cantonese, in French (upcoming), and I think at least one in >Mandarin (though I could be wrong about that). > >Oh, and she will be forty this September, and she has been in about >eighty features so far. The woman really is one of a kind. That may be. But I'm more partial to Michelle Yeoh, myself. Also in "The Heroic Trio", as you know. Adn when it comes to just plain beautiful, there's Joan Chen. Mmmmmm. -- "Just because you are a character, that doesn't mean you _have_ character." -- Mr. Wolf, _Pulp Fiction_

2004-07-27 09:11:33-07:00 - Re: CC's implants - (snorkel_maiden@lycos.com)


Sandra S <sandora@verizon.net> wrote in message news:<opr977myxpjtszlz@news.verizon.net>... > On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 00:33:22 GMT, nimue <cup_o_cakesNOSPAM@yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > For those who are interested, there is a before-and-after image of > > Charisma > > Carpenter and her implants at the bottom of this page. Just scroll down. > > http://www.goodplasticsurgery.com/ > > > > > > I didn't think it was any secret that Charisma Carpenter had implants. > In any case, this is so ordinary in H'wood that it hardly rates a mention. > > > Sandra This : http://neuromancerwp.free.fr/original/neuromancerwp_charisma_carpenter_01.jpg Seems to settle it for me. Weird ridges!

2004-07-27 22:37:46+12:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Toni <taiat@mail.NYETSPAMcom>)


On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 12:05:41 -0700, Mark Jones <sinanju@pacifier.com> wrote: >Sandra S <sandora@verizon.net>, on or about Fri, 02 Jul 2004 11:45:19 >GMT, did you or did you not state: >>A woman I know was watching a Monroe film and kept saying >>"I can't believe how fat she looks!" I agree with whomever said >>MM would find it hard to get hired today. >That was me. But my point is that while she might have trouble being >hired in _Hollywood_ today, millions of men then and now consider her >a gorgeous, sexy woman. Hollywood's standards are not the standards >of most men (no matter how much they may like to think so). Marilyn who took an amazing photo, is not today's cup of tea. It's the crazy Hollywood stick figure fad that is going around. >And I very definitely include Cameron Diaz in that category. When she >first turned up in The Mask, she was far more appealing than she is >now, and it's not because she's a few years older now. It's because >she's given in to the relentless pressure to be thinner than thou. It >may be necessary for her to continue to work in Hollywood, but that >doesn't mean that it's right--or that she's more attractive >now...except to the people making movies. Totally agree! I was amazed at Cameron in "The Mask." Totally yummy! Everything else since, thin and boring. >>Sure, men like Boreanaz (who seems to have the mindset of an adolescent) >>will choose the centerfold. But I still think more sophisticated types would >>probably want the model. >I don't. I think the men who'd choose some anorexic-looking runway >model based solely on her looks are no different than men who'd choose >a playboy model on that basis. Guys tend to follow their gonads and to me neither sounds that good of a deal, but I'll take the centrefold over the model as they tend to have better complexions and hair. Even if it is all makeup and hair weaves. Most models that I have meet tend to be a little on the dim side, though it is more to do with their age and inexperience IMAO. As a polynesian, I like the tall big brainy girls with the dark skin. Which goes against the Hollywood of super thin, fair skin, dim witted gals. I find it really hard to enjoy a show, where the female lead is considered very attractive and to me she is everything else but that. Mind you I have always prefered Cordy to Buffy or Willow and I have never noticed her bust, but she does have nice legs :-) === You're reading the words of Toni === We shall see to which one the Olympian grants the glory. Email: taiat@mail.NYETSPAMcom (sub the NYETSPAM for guess what? :)

2004-07-27 22:39:33+12:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Toni <taiat@mail.NYETSPAMcom>)


On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 14:13:01 -0400, Snuggles <submit.iPkluBotlXWJNxff@spam.spamcop.net> wrote: >In article <ifrde0hod403o56aif99hn9obnb5vgf4ve@4ax.com>, > st <striketoo@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 17:22:45 GMT, BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> >> wrote: >> >> >The point is, >> >> IN YOUR OPINION >> >> >Carpenter never stopped looking good. >> >> Other's disagree. And that doesn't make them wrong. > >It was CC's haircuts and dye jobs that ruined her look for me more than >anything else. Short and blonde?!?!? What they hell were they thinking? Have to agree with you, that short bob look was awful and dyed blonde? Ewww! === You're reading the words of Toni === We shall see to which one the Olympian grants the glory. Email: taiat@mail.NYETSPAMcom (sub the NYETSPAM for guess what? :)

2004-07-27 22:42:04+12:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Toni <taiat@mail.NYETSPAMcom>)


On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 06:24:11 GMT, James Craine <JamesCraine@Hotmail.com> wrote: >Snuggles wrote: >> In article <ifrde0hod403o56aif99hn9obnb5vgf4ve@4ax.com>, >> st <striketoo@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>Carpenter never stopped looking good. >>>Other's disagree. And that doesn't make them wrong. >> It was CC's haircuts and dye jobs that ruined her look for me more than >> anything else. Short and blonde?!?!? What they hell were they thinking? >One thing I like about Eliza Dushku, she always looks the >same and always great. From her first movie "That Night" to >"Tru Calling" she has always kept the same hairstyle. Which >I like so I think that this is a good thing. Got to agree with you there. She's cute and has valiantly not tried the blonde look. Nice to see her staying a brunette and keeping the faith. Okay, bad pun. I'm very, very bad. === You're reading the words of Toni === We shall see to which one the Olympian grants the glory. Email: taiat@mail.NYETSPAMcom (sub the NYETSPAM for guess what? :)

2004-07-28 07:15:01+01:00 - Re: CC's implants - (Paul Hyett <pah@nojunkmailplease.co.uk>)


In alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer on Tue, 27 Jul 2004, Toni wrote : > >>And I very definitely include Cameron Diaz in that category. When she >>first turned up in The Mask, she was far more appealing than she is >>now, and it's not because she's a few years older now. It's because >>she's given in to the relentless pressure to be thinner than thou. It >>may be necessary for her to continue to work in Hollywood, but that >>doesn't mean that it's right--or that she's more attractive >>now...except to the people making movies. > > Totally agree! I was amazed at Cameron in "The Mask." >Totally yummy! I second that - very definitely 'a killer at 3 o'clock'. :) >Everything else since, thin and boring. If only some actresses would stand up to the pressure to slim. -- Paul 'US Sitcom Fan' Hyett

2004-07-31 10:27:07-04:00 - Re: CC's implants - (forge <forge@diespammers.youneedageek.com>)


In article <a5ccg0ljj49t770kkcdt0mdmfs57osh1cp@4ax.com>, Toni <taiat@mail.NYETSPAMcom> wrote: > >It was CC's haircuts and dye jobs that ruined her look for me more than > >anything else. Short and blonde?!?!? What they hell were they thinking? > > Have to agree with you, that short bob look was awful and dyed > blonde? Ewww! More genius from the network execs.