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2003-11-04 12:49:49-06:00 - Line Counts - (Juleen <REMOVEsunryse@centurytel.net>)


I have seen everyone complaining about Wes's lack of screentime, and just as a comparison I thought I'd give what the top 10 characters this season are averaging after Hellbound for line counts. Yes while some characters are averaging less than in the past, Wes isn't one of them. Right now he is averaging more lines than in the last two years. The only big loser so far this season is Lorne. courtesy of the Line League http://www.hellmouthhigh.co.uk/LineLeague/ 1. Angel Conviction 107 lines just rewards 109 Unleashed 93 Hell Bound 62 total 371 average 92.75 1st season average 73 lines 2nd season average 69.31 lines 3rd season average 73.77 lines 4th season average 64.72 lines 2. Fred Conviction 40 just rewards 27 unleashed 78 Hell Bound 76 total 221 average 55.25 2nd season average 18.50 lines 3rd season average 31.27 lines 4th season average 33.54 lines 3. Spike Conviction 1 just rewards 98 unleashed 28 Hell Bound 88 total 215 average 53.75 BtVS 2nd season average 23.75 lines 3rd season average 89 lines (1) 4th season average 26.44 lines 5th season average 32.57 lines 6th season average 32.31 lines 7th season average 27.72 lines 4. Wes Conviction 54 just rewards 28 unleashed 32 hell bound 27 total 141 average 35.25 1st season average 40.15 lines 2nd season average 40.50 lines 3rd season average 29.95 lines 4th season average 34.63 lines 5. Gunn Conviction 38 just rewards 23 unleashed 34 Hell Bound 30 total 125 average 31.25 1st season average 23.33 lines 2nd season average 26.72 lines 3rd season average 33.54 lines 4th season average 40.86 lines 6.Nina Ash unleashed 60 7.Harmony conviction 32 just rewards 18 total 50 average 25 8.Lorne Conviction 16 just rewards 5 unleashed 14 Hell Bound 1 total 36 average 9 Average 2nd season 21.46 lines 3rd season 17.33 lines 4th season 18.95 lines 9.Eve conviction 24 Hell Bound 7 Total 31 Average 15.5 10. Payayne HellBound 25

2003-11-04 15:09:17-08:00 - Re: Line Counts - (ttyan2000@yahoo.com)


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2003-11-05 01:56:00-06:00 - Re: Line Counts - (Thirsty Viking <jdoerter@kill.spam.comcast.net>)


"Ken Wiggins" <fanob5@wi.rr.com> wrote in message news:tYZpb.135752$pg7.102011@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > "Teenes" <ttyan2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:6e63e337.0311041509.7345f91@posting.google.com... > > "Juleen" <REMOVEsunryse@centurytel.net> wrote in message > news:<bo8sch$1aji1l$1@ID-184786.news.uni-berlin.de>... > > > > From these linecounts, it looks like everyone's talking more this > > season. Must be all those lines of explicit exposition =P. It kind > > of fits - there certainly is a lot more talking in general this season > > and a lot less action. > > > > > 3. Spike > > > Conviction 1 > > > > Is "AAAAhhhhhhhhh!!!!" a line? That's all I remember him saying in > > this episode. That's kind of funny. > > > > Teenes > > I thought his line was "Bugger". That is in episode 2. Episode 1 ending Spike Materializes and screams Wes (surprised): Spike Angel (Angry kinda and low pitched) : Spike! Harmony (Bouncy happy leaning into offiffice around door) : "BlondieBear" Ending Credits Episode 2: a little dialoge Spike Vamps out and attacks angel, swings at angel in a lunge, passes through angel and stops mid desk. "Bugger"

2003-11-05 03:16:18-08:00 - Re: Line Counts - (stcoop@yahoo.com)


"Juleen" <REMOVEsunryse@centurytel.net> wrote in message news:<bo8sch$1aji1l$1@ID-184786.news.uni-berlin.de>... > I have seen everyone complaining about Wes's lack of screentime, and > just as a comparison I thought I'd give what the top 10 characters this > season are averaging after Hellbound for line counts. > > > Yes while some characters are averaging less than in the past, Wes isn't > one of them. Right now he is averaging more lines than in the last two > years. The only big loser so far this season is Lorne. > > courtesy of the Line League > http://www.hellmouthhigh.co.uk/LineLeague/ > [snip-o-rama] And in what universe does the amount of lines a character gets have any connection to their contribution to the story? In the first four episodes of this season Wesley had absolutely nothing to do, and in episode five he got to stretch his acting talents by pretending to be drunk, which is funny for about the first ten seconds. Lots of lines though!

2003-11-05 03:16:41+00:00 - Re: Line Counts - (Ken Wiggins <fanob5@wi.rr.com>)


"Teenes" <ttyan2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:6e63e337.0311041509.7345f91@posting.google.com... > "Juleen" <REMOVEsunryse@centurytel.net> wrote in message news:<bo8sch$1aji1l$1@ID-184786.news.uni-berlin.de>... > > From these linecounts, it looks like everyone's talking more this > season. Must be all those lines of explicit exposition =P. It kind > of fits - there certainly is a lot more talking in general this season > and a lot less action. > > > 3. Spike > > Conviction 1 > > Is "AAAAhhhhhhhhh!!!!" a line? That's all I remember him saying in > this episode. That's kind of funny. > > Teenes I thought his line was "Bugger". KW

2003-11-05 05:24:40-06:00 - Re: Line Counts - ("Just A. User" <joe@localhost.localbox>)


On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 12:49:49 -0600, Juleen wrote: > I have seen everyone complaining about Wes's lack of screentime, and > just as a comparison I thought I'd give what the top 10 characters this > season are averaging after Hellbound for line counts. > > > Yes while some characters are averaging less than in the past, Wes isn't > one of them. Right now he is averaging more lines than in the last two > years. The only big loser so far this season is Lorne. > > courtesy of the Line League > http://www.hellmouthhigh.co.uk/LineLeague/ > > > 1. Angel > Conviction 107 lines > just rewards 109 > Unleashed 93 > Hell Bound 62 > total 371 average 92.75 > > 1st season average 73 lines > 2nd season average 69.31 lines > 3rd season average 73.77 lines > 4th season average 64.72 lines > > > > 2. Fred > Conviction 40 > just rewards 27 > unleashed 78 > Hell Bound 76 > total 221 average 55.25 > > > 2nd season average 18.50 lines > 3rd season average 31.27 lines > 4th season average 33.54 lines > > > > > 3. Spike > Conviction 1 > just rewards 98 > unleashed 28 > Hell Bound 88 > total 215 average 53.75 > > That's a highly biased calculation, you know. You really have to discard that first data point to get a good picture of what's going on. When you do that, you come up with 71 lines/episode for Spike. That's about what the lead character averaged for the first four seasons of the show and it's twice as much as most of the others in the show this season (second only to Angel). The roles for the other characters haven't really been noticeably reduced this year, though, so the question is how they managed to squeeze so many lines in the scripts for Spike without making it a 90 minute show. The answer is that they dumped two characters to make room for him. Spike is getting the combined screen time, and lines, of Cordelia and Connor. The good news is that the surviving characters don't seem to be getting elbowed out just yet.

2003-11-05 09:29:05-08:00 - Re: Line Counts - (igs622001@yahoo.com)


"Juleen" <REMOVEsunryse@centurytel.net> wrote in message news:<bo8sch$1aji1l$1@ID-184786.news.uni-berlin.de>... > I have seen everyone complaining about Wes's lack of screentime, and > just as a comparison I thought I'd give what the top 10 characters this > season are averaging after Hellbound for line counts. Heh. My first reaction is that line counts aren't really a good indication of whether a character is getting enough attention. My second reaction is that someone has way too much time on their hands.

2003-11-05 12:27:28-06:00 - Re: Line Counts - (Thirsty Viking <jdoerter@kill.spam.comcast.net>)


"Ken Wiggins" <fanob5@wi.rr.com> wrote in message news:_e9qb.143576$pg7.56644@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > "Thirsty Viking" <jdoerter@kill.spam.comcast.net> wrote in message > news:5KGdncC-K9sYMDWiRVn-hA@comcast.com... > > > > "Ken Wiggins" <fanob5@wi.rr.com> wrote in message > > news:tYZpb.135752$pg7.102011@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > > > > > "Teenes" <ttyan2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > > news:6e63e337.0311041509.7345f91@posting.google.com... > > > > "Juleen" <REMOVEsunryse@centurytel.net> wrote in message > > > news:<bo8sch$1aji1l$1@ID-184786.news.uni-berlin.de>... > > > > > > > > From these linecounts, it looks like everyone's talking more this > > > > season. Must be all those lines of explicit exposition =P. It kind > > > > of fits - there certainly is a lot more talking in general this season > > > > and a lot less action. > > > > > > > > > 3. Spike > > > > > Conviction 1 > > > > > > > > Is "AAAAhhhhhhhhh!!!!" a line? That's all I remember him saying in > > > > this episode. That's kind of funny. > > > > > > > > Teenes > > > > > > I thought his line was "Bugger". > > > > That is in episode 2. > > > > Episode 1 ending > > > > Spike Materializes and screams > > > > Wes (surprised): Spike > > Angel (Angry kinda and low pitched) : Spike! > > Harmony (Bouncy happy leaning into offiffice around door) : "BlondieBear" > > > > Ending Credits > > > > Episode 2: > > > > a little dialoge > > Spike Vamps out and attacks angel, swings at angel in a > > lunge, passes through angel and stops mid desk. > > "Bugger" > > > > > Right you are! My bad! > No problem, thought your recognize it if it was recounted.

2003-11-05 12:29:59-06:00 - Re: Line Counts - (Thirsty Viking <jdoerter@kill.spam.comcast.net>)


"Simon Cooper" <stcoop@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:dc7de41.0311050316.7a7b03f4@posting.google.com... > "Juleen" <REMOVEsunryse@centurytel.net> wrote in message news:<bo8sch$1aji1l$1@ID-184786.news.uni-berlin.de>... > > I have seen everyone complaining about Wes's lack of screentime, and > > just as a comparison I thought I'd give what the top 10 characters this > > season are averaging after Hellbound for line counts. > > > > > > Yes while some characters are averaging less than in the past, Wes isn't > > one of them. Right now he is averaging more lines than in the last two > > years. The only big loser so far this season is Lorne. > > > > courtesy of the Line League > > http://www.hellmouthhigh.co.uk/LineLeague/ > > > [snip-o-rama] > > And in what universe does the amount of lines a character gets have > any connection to their contribution to the story? > > In the first four episodes of this season Wesley had absolutely > nothing to do, and in episode five he got to stretch his acting > talents by pretending to be drunk, which is funny for about the first > ten seconds. Lots of lines though! You are right, they haven't sent him into the dusty books so much this season, nor have they had him kill many things.

2003-11-05 12:42:09-06:00 - Re: Line Counts - (Thirsty Viking <jdoerter@kill.spam.comcast.net>)


"Just A. User" <joe@localhost.localbox> wrote in message news:pan.2003.11.05.11.24.40.469821@localhost.localbox... > On Tue, 04 Nov 2003 12:49:49 -0600, Juleen wrote: > > > > I have seen everyone complaining about Wes's lack of screentime, and > > just as a comparison I thought I'd give what the top 10 characters this > > season are averaging after Hellbound for line counts. > > > > > > Yes while some characters are averaging less than in the past, Wes isn't > > one of them. Right now he is averaging more lines than in the last two > > years. The only big loser so far this season is Lorne. > > > > courtesy of the Line League > > http://www.hellmouthhigh.co.uk/LineLeague/ > > > > > > 1. Angel > > Conviction 107 lines > > just rewards 109 > > Unleashed 93 > > Hell Bound 62 > > total 371 average 92.75 > > > > 1st season average 73 lines > > 2nd season average 69.31 lines > > 3rd season average 73.77 lines > > 4th season average 64.72 lines > > > > > > > > 2. Fred > > Conviction 40 > > just rewards 27 > > unleashed 78 > > Hell Bound 76 > > total 221 average 55.25 > > > > > > 2nd season average 18.50 lines > > 3rd season average 31.27 lines > > 4th season average 33.54 lines > > > > > > > > > > 3. Spike > > Conviction 1 > > just rewards 98 > > unleashed 28 > > Hell Bound 88 > > total 215 average 53.75 > > > > > That's a highly biased calculation, you know. You really have to discard > that first data point to get a good picture of what's going on. When you > do that, you come up with 71 lines/episode for Spike. That's about what > the lead character averaged for the first four seasons of the show and > it's twice as much as most of the others in the show this season (second > only to Angel). You could argue to disreguard the second show as well because that is the introductory episode where the whole cast meets spike, many for the first time. which would leave an average line count of only 58. The truth is that it is too early in the season to judge the entire season. Between Wes getting married, and spikes introduction.. lets get a few more episodes under our belt before we get all judgy about it... I really just said that didn't I? > > The roles for the other characters haven't really been noticeably reduced > this year, though, so the question is how they managed to squeeze so many > lines in the scripts for Spike without making it a 90 minute show. The > answer is that they dumped two characters to make room for him. Spike is > getting the combined screen time, and lines, of Cordelia and Connor. Given that cordy was MIA for 1/3 season that isn't so hard. Conner never was very gabby. > > The good news is that the surviving characters don't seem to be getting > elbowed out just yet.

2003-11-05 16:07:22+00:00 - Re: Line Counts - (Ken Wiggins <fanob5@wi.rr.com>)


"Thirsty Viking" <jdoerter@kill.spam.comcast.net> wrote in message news:5KGdncC-K9sYMDWiRVn-hA@comcast.com... > > "Ken Wiggins" <fanob5@wi.rr.com> wrote in message > news:tYZpb.135752$pg7.102011@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > > > "Teenes" <ttyan2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:6e63e337.0311041509.7345f91@posting.google.com... > > > "Juleen" <REMOVEsunryse@centurytel.net> wrote in message > > news:<bo8sch$1aji1l$1@ID-184786.news.uni-berlin.de>... > > > > > > From these linecounts, it looks like everyone's talking more this > > > season. Must be all those lines of explicit exposition =P. It kind > > > of fits - there certainly is a lot more talking in general this season > > > and a lot less action. > > > > > > > 3. Spike > > > > Conviction 1 > > > > > > Is "AAAAhhhhhhhhh!!!!" a line? That's all I remember him saying in > > > this episode. That's kind of funny. > > > > > > Teenes > > > > I thought his line was "Bugger". > > That is in episode 2. > > Episode 1 ending > > Spike Materializes and screams > > Wes (surprised): Spike > Angel (Angry kinda and low pitched) : Spike! > Harmony (Bouncy happy leaning into offiffice around door) : "BlondieBear" > > Ending Credits > > Episode 2: > > a little dialoge > Spike Vamps out and attacks angel, swings at angel in a > lunge, passes through angel and stops mid desk. > "Bugger" > > Right you are! My bad! KW

2003-11-05 17:40:31+00:00 - Re: Line Counts - (tsd@zektor.gpcc.itd.umich.edu)


In article <5aa58763.0311050929.60fc41dc@posting.google.com>, Ian <igs622001@yahoo.com> wrote: :"Juleen" <REMOVEsunryse@centurytel.net> wrote in message :news:<bo8sch$1aji1l$1@ID-184786.news.uni-berlin.de>... : :> I have seen everyone complaining about Wes's lack of screentime, and :> just as a comparison I thought I'd give what the top 10 characters this :> season are averaging after Hellbound for line counts. : :Heh. : :My first reaction is that line counts aren't really a good indication :of whether a character is getting enough attention. Actually this was my second reaction. :My second reaction is that someone has way too much time on their :hands. And this was my first. --

2003-11-07 00:32:03+00:00 - Re: Line Counts - (aej17DELETEME@comcast.net)


Juleen <REMOVEsunryse@centurytel.net> wrote: > > I have seen everyone complaining about Wes's lack of screentime, and > just as a comparison I thought I'd give what the top 10 characters this > season are averaging after Hellbound for line counts. I'm sorry, but line counts don't mean squat. They mean nothing, nada, zero. It's not screentime that matters, either, really. What matters if someone has an interesting storyline, interesting development as a character, interesting contribution to the season. This is what characters are about, not line counts. Not to mention that whoever "compiled" these "statistics" has no idea whatsoever concerning statistical analysis. None. We are through six episodes this season. That's 268 minutes of _Angel_, and I can barely think of one or two things Wes has actually contributed. He could be just as gone as Cordelia, and they could have had almost exactly the same episodes in his absence. That's the point, not a bunch of poorly crunched numbers. -- AE Jabbour "I mean, I may have ripped off Vertigo, The Shining, James Elroy, James M. Cain, Barton Fink, Rebel Without a Cause, Vertigo, Psycho, Kiss Me Deadly, Double Indemnity and The Hudsucker Proxy - but I'm certainly no plagiarist!" Tim Minear, alt.tv.angel, 10.05.2000