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2003-03-02 20:10:53-05:00 - Buffy timeline updated. - ("Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net>)


I just spent some time updating my timeline of events that happened before the pilot of Buffy The Vampire Slayer, so I figured I'd post it. If anyone has any additional items to add, I'd appreciate mentioning them. Note: Anyone who isn't up to date on the most recent episodes of all series, this timeline may contain spoilers. Also, I have included events from the Buffy and Angel comic book, but marked events from the comics as such, so you can ignore them on read them as you wish. Many years are approximate, for instance if someone said something happened about 500 years ago, and said it in 1997, then the event is listed in 1497. Buffy Timeline 2000 B.C. - The Prophecies Of Obearsian start to be recorded. (To Shanshu In L.A. 1.22) 1001 B.C. - Kathy Newman is born. (Living Conditions 4.02) 149 B.C. - Roman general Scipio is sent to by the Roman senate to Carthage to battle the demon army of Vraka. (Blood of Carthage) 146 B.C. - Scipio calles on the demon Ky-laag to help him destroy Carthage, Vraka contains Ky-laag in the African sands and takes Scipio as his slave through magic and fear turning him into Mad Jack. (Blood of Carthage) 880 - A woman named Aud is cheated on by her boyfriend Olaf. She curses him with boils on the penis and then turns him into a troll. The demon D'Hoffryn is so impressed with this he offers to turn her into the vengeance demon Anyanka. (Something Blue, Selfless 7.05) 1000 - A European vampire slayer who would become known as Adja learns a demon is being sent to the future to kill a vampire slayer who is a prophised savior of the world. Adja follows the demon though a portal planning on sacrificing herself to stop the demon and save Buffy Summers. (Buffy The Vampire Slayer #27) 1100 - The prophecy of the coming of the Anointed One is written. (Never Kill A Boy On The First Date 1.05) 1199 - Anyanka witnesses an ascension. (Graduation Day Part 1 3.21) 1418 - Moloch the Corrupter is captured in a book in Italy. (I Robot, You Jane) 1481 - The Inca Princess is born. (Inca Mummy Girl 2.04) 1497 - The Inca Princess is sacraficed. (Inca Mummy Girl 2.04) 1498 - The sorcerer Koines dies and is buried on the island of Crete. (Buffy The Vampire Slayer: Spike and Dru #1) 1579 - Anyanka curses a man and meets Dracula. (Buffy Vs. Dracula 4.01) 1609 - Darla becomes ill, and on her deathbed invites in the Master, who sires her as a vampire. (Darla 2.07) 1630 - Tammy receives the visions, they eventually kill her. (Birthday 3.11) 1649 - A cleric from a village near the Black Forest finds the bodies of Greta and Hans Strauss. (Gingerbread) 1692 - Witchcraft trials break out in Salem, Anyanka is there. (Intervention 5.18) 1702 - After a mitosis, the demons Syd and Monica Frzylcka are married. (Double Or Nothing 3.18) 1723 - May 27, an ascension in Sharpsville. (Enemies) 1727 - Liam is born. (The Prodigal 1.15) 1753 - Liam encounters Darla in Galway, and she makes him a vampire, he goes on a killing spree that includes his father, mother and sister. (Becoming Part 1 2.21, The Prodigal 1.15) 1760 - Darla introduces Angelus (formerly Liam) to the Master in London. Angelus offends the Master, but leaves with Darla. The Master gives it a century at best. (Darla 2.07) 1764 - Angelus and Darla kill the wife and children of Daniel Holtz. (The Quickening 3.08) Holtz's daughter rises as a vampire and he has to slay her. (Lullaby 3.09) 1765 - Angelus and Darla visit France, get hunted by a mob and Holtz and are separated. (The Trial 2.09) 1767 - Angelus, Darla, James and Elisabeth visit Marseilles, kill the Count De Leon and burn his ville. They are attacked by Holtz but escape. (Heartthrob 3.01) 1771 - In Rome, Holtz catches Angelus and tortures him to try to find Darla, but Darla rescues him (The Offspring 3.07). 1773 - Holtz is approached by the demon Sahjhan and makes a deal to be frozen in time so he can catch Angelus and Darla. (The Quickening 3.08) 1800 - Angelus sires Penn and takes him under his wing. (Somnambulist 1.11) 1803 - The Shroud of Rahmon is removed from it's box driving a whole city insane. (The Shroud of Rahmon 2.08) 1812 - The Sunnydale Mission is swallowed by an earthquake. (Pangs 4.08) 1840 - Adja arrives from a portal in Sunnydale, California on the trail of her demon and follows it into another portal. (Buffy The Vampire Slayer #26) 1843 - In Madrid a man catches Luke the vampire sleeping, they fight and the man survives. (The Harvest 1.02) 1856 - Angelus is captured by police in London for the murder of a little girl. He kills the guard and escapes. (Angel #2) 1860 - While in London Darla finds a new victim for Angelus to torment, a woman with visions named Drusilla. Angelus torments Drusilla, kills her family and all the sisters at a convent she enters, then makes her a vampire. (Becoming Part 1 2.21 and Dear Boy 2.05) 1863 - Manet's La Music Aux Tuileries was painted in France, Angelus was there. (She 1.13) 1873 - William is born or becomes a vampire. (The Initiative 4.07) 1880 - William is rejected by Cecily in London as Angelus, Darla and Drusilla visit the country. Drusilla says she's all alone, so she picks the failing poet and sires him. As Spike he goes on a rampage in London and forces Angelus's gang to flee to Yorkshire. Spike learns of the Slayer. (Fool For Love 5.07 & Darla 2.07) 1886 - Lyle and Tector Gorch kill everyone in a town and gain a reputation. (Bad Eggs 2.12) 1889 - Maude Pearson is born. (Rm w/a Vu 1.05) 1890 - Angelus sees the ballet Giselle and is brought to tears. (Waiting In The Wings 3.13) 1892 - Angelus, Spike and Drusilla visit Vienna. Angelus sires Catherine and they fight and wound the Hollower. (Buffy The Vampire Slayer: Angel #1-3) 1898 - Darla and Angelus visit Borsa Romania. Darla kidnaps and Angelus kills a gypsy girl. The gypsies is given his soul back by a gypsy curse. (Becoming Part 1 2.21, Five by Five 1.18) Darla, Drusilla and Spike massacare the gypsies that cursed Angelus. (Darla 2.07) 1899 - In Utah two children were found dead and a rural community is torn apart by suspicion. (Gingerbread) Balthazar and the Eliminati are driven out of Sunnydale. (Bad Girls) Sunnydale is founded. (Graduation Day Part 2) Drusilla catches Spike kissing a woman named Portia and becomes jealous. (Buffy The Vampire Slayer: Spike and Dru #1) 1900 - Darla, Drusilla and Spike feast on people during the Boxer Rebellion in Beijing China. Angelus tries to return to them, but is unable to kill innocents because of his curse. (Darla 2.07) Spike kills his first Slayer, Xin Rong. (Fool For Love 5.07) 1903 - Richard Wilkins marries Edna May. (Choices) 1905 - Anyanka grants a wish in St. Petersburg Russia, sparking a revolution. (Selfless 7.05) 1907 - The real Ms. French is born. (Teacher's Pet 1.04) 1908 - Penn visits Boston and goes on a killing spree. (The Somnambulist 1.11) 1914 - In Chicago Anyanka exacts vengeance on Stewart Burns, turning him into a demon and sending him to be tortured in hell. (Hell's Bells 6.16) 1917 - Angelus arrives in America, shuns other vampires and doesn't hunt humans. (Angel 1.07) 1920 - Angelus fights the demon Boone over a woman in Juarez. (Blood Money 2.12) 1926 - Wolfram & Hart conduct their 75 year review and sack over half a middle managment, with actual sacks. (Reprise 2.15) 1928 - Three roofers die in the construction of the Hyperion Hotel. (Are You Now Or Have You Ever Been 2.02) 1929 - Penn visits L.A. and goes on a killing spree. (The Somnambulist 1.11) 1932 - An earthquake in Sunnydale swallows up a temple Proserpexa on Kingman's Bluff before it's followers can use it to destroy the world. (mentioned in Grave 6.22) 1933 - Spike and Drusilla attend the World's Fair in Chicago, are attacked by the relatives on Xin Rong and fight a demon summoned through a power generator. (Buffy The Vampire Slayer: Spike and Dru #3) 1937 - The Master and his order go on a killing spree in Sunnydale, attempt to open the hellmouth and half the city is swallowed in an earthquake. (The Harvest 1.02) In New York Rachel O'Connor, the Vampire Slayer, takes out a vampire, then is contacted by the government about intercepting a german agent who is smuggling a genie in a bottle. She fights the agent, the genie is freed, then she traps it in a locker at Penn Station (Buffy The Vampire Slayer: Tales of the Slayer #1) 1938 - Trevor Lockley is born. (The Prodigal 1.15) 1946 - Maude Pearson burries her son Dennis alive and dies of a heart attack in what would one day become Cordelia Chase's apartment. (Rm w/a Vu 1.05) 1949 - The Lowell House For Children in Sunnydale is opened. (Where The Wild Things Are 4.18) In Utau two children are found dead with a mysterious mark on them. (Gingerbread) 1951 - Holland Manners is born. (Blood Money 2.12) 1952 - Angelus stays at the Hyperion Hotel, a man kills himself thanks to a demon's influence. Angelus is blamed. (Are You Now Or Have You Ever Been 2.02) 1954 - Frank Gilnets is executed by the state of California for the murder of a salesman at the Hyperion Hotel. (Are You Now Or Have You Ever Been 2.02) Rupert Giles is born in England. (Buffy web site.) 1955 - At Sunnydale High student James Stanley secretly starts to date teacher Grace Newman. She breaks up with him before the Sadie Hawkins dance. He accidentally shoots her then kills himself because of his guilt. (I Only Have Eyes For You) 1957 - Ted Buchannon gets married. (Ted) 1958 - Joyce Summers is born. (Weight of the World 5.21) 1959 - Margo Dressner commits "suicide" in what would one day become Cordelia Chase's apartment. (Rm w/a Vu 1.05) 1960 - The Lowell House For Children in Sunnydale is closed. (Where The Wild Things Are 4.18) 1963 - Penn visits L.A. again and goes on a killing spree. (The Somnambulist 1.11) 1965 - Jenny Kim commits "suicide" in what would one day become Cordelia Chase's apartment. (Rm w/a Vu 1.05) Future police officer Peter Harkes is born. (Thin Dead Line 2.14) 1967 - July 18, Vanessa Brewer is born. (Blind Date 1.21) Future police officer Kevin Hellerbrook is born. (Thin Dead Line 2.14) A drunk Angelus attends the wedding reception of Elvis and Priscilla Presley in Las Vegas. (Mentioned in The House Always Wins 4.03). 1968 - Wolfram & Hart get rid of a number of employees for Christmas (Reprise 2.15). 1969 - Spike attends Woodstock and eats a flowerchild. He stares at his hand for several hours. (School Hard 2.03) Angelus sees the film Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid at the Ziegfeld theatre in New York (mentioned in Buffy The Vampire Slayer #50). 1975 - Denver picks up the Blessed Glove at a yard sale. (Reprise 2.15) Rupert drops out of Oxford, moves to London and joins a bad crowd. (The Dark Age) 1976 - Allen Francis Doyle is born. (Bachlor Party 1.7) Glorificus is defeated and placed in the body of a boy child named Ben. (Weight of the World 5.21) Adja arrives from a portal in Sunnydale, California on the trail of her demon and follows it into another portal. (Buffy The Vampire Slayer #26) 1977 - In New York City Spike confronts his second Slayer, kills her and takes her jacket. (Fool For Love 5.07) 1978 - Daryl Epps is born. (Some Assembly Required 2.02) 1979 - December 16, Roland Meeks kills a number of guests at a the Hyperion Hotel with a shotgun. The hotel closes. (Are You Now Or Have You Ever Been 2.02) 1980 - Rupert Giles starts fighting demons regularly. (A New Man 4.11) 1981 - In January, Buffy Anne Summers is born to Joyce and Hank Summers in Los Angeles. In January Cordelia Chase is born. (Birthday 3.11) Alexander Lavelle Harris is born. (Buffy web site.) 1982 - Willow Rosenberg is born in Sunnydale, California. (Buffy web site.) 1983 - Potential Vampire Slayer Kennedy is born (Bring On The Night 7.10 script) 1985 - Gwen Raiden placed in school by her parents. (Ground State 4.03) Potential Vampire Slayer Eve is born (Showtime 7.11 script) Potential Vampire Slayer Vi is born (Showtime 7.11 script) 1986 - Potential Vampire Slayer Annabelle is born (Bring On The Night 7.10 script) Potential Vampire Slayer Rona is born (Showtime 7.11 script) 1987 - Dawn Summers is supposedly born. (Real Me 5.02) As Xander has his 6th birthday with his friend Willow he is chased and frightened by a clown. (Nightmares 1.10) Willow cries when she breaks the yellow crayon on her first day of Kindergarten, but Xander is there for her. (Grave 6.22) Potential Vampire Slayer Molly is born (Bring On The Night 7.10 script) 1988 - At Xander's 7th birthday party the house next door burns down and he gets to watch the fire trucks. (The Replacement 5.03) Potential Vampire Slayer Chloe is born (Showtime 7.11 script) 1989 - Buffy's cousin Celia dies in a hospital with Buffy there. (Killed by Death) In Sunnydale, Willow plays dead to save herself and Xander from Mad Jack while camping out in Xander's back yard. (Blood of Carthage) 1992 - The vampire who Darla would later approach in trying sire her is sired himself. (The Trial 2.09) Buffy tells Dawn that marshmellows are monkey brains. (Blood Ties 5.13) 1993 - July 12, Vanessa Brewer arrested for driving without a license. (Blind Date 1.21) 1993 - October 31st, 12 year old Buffy Anne Summers dresses up as Little Red Riding Hood and her father Hank takes her trick-or-treating. (Fear, Itself 4.4) 1994 - Natalie Davis commits "suicide" in what would one day become Cordelia Chase's apartment. (Rm w/a Vu 1.05) Willow has her bat mitzvah, Xander and his parents attend, and they drink to excess (Hell's Bells 6.16) 1995 - Charles Gunn sells his soul to the demon Jenoff for a truck. (Double or Nothing 3.18) April 23, Vanessa Brewer arrested for aggravated assualt. (Blind Date 1.21) 1996 - Angelus is found by Wistler in an alley in Manhatten. Buffy Summers is approached by Merrick the Watcher. (Becoming Part 1 2.21) May 7th, Winifred Burkle disappears from a library in Los Angeles when sucked into a dimensional portal. (Belonging 2.19) The C.R.D. plant in Sunnydale shuts down, Xander's uncle looses his job. (I Robot, You Jane 1.08) -- Mathew Homepage - http://mathew.fcpages.com/ Angel web site - http://angel.fcpages.com/

2003-03-02 21:00:15-08:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated. - (Tim Bruening <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>)


"Mathew R. Ignash" wrote: > I just spent some time updating my timeline of events that happened before the > pilot of Buffy The Vampire Slayer, so I figured I'd post it. If anyone has any > additional items to add, I'd appreciate mentioning them. > > Note: Anyone who isn't up to date on the most recent episodes of all series, > this timeline may contain spoilers. Also, I have included events from the Buffy > and Angel comic book, but marked events from the comics as such, so you can > ignore them on read them as you wish. Many years are approximate, for instance > if someone said something happened about 500 years ago, and said it in 1997, > then the event is listed in 1497. > > Buffy Timeline > > 2000 B.C. - The Prophecies Of Obearsian start to be recorded. (To Shanshu In > L.A. 1.22) > 1001 B.C. - Kathy Newman is born. (Living Conditions 4.02) > 149 B.C. - Roman general Scipio is sent to by the Roman senate to Carthage > to battle the demon army of Vraka. (Blood of Carthage) > 146 B.C. - Scipio calles on the demon Ky-laag to help him destroy Carthage, > Vraka contains Ky-laag in the African sands and takes Scipio as > his slave through magic and fear turning him into Mad Jack. > (Blood of Carthage) > 880 - A woman named Aud is cheated on by her boyfriend Olaf. She curses him > with boils on the penis and then turns him into a troll. The demon > D'Hoffryn is so impressed with this he offers to turn her into the > vengeance demon Anyanka. (Something Blue, Selfless 7.05) > 1000 - A European vampire slayer who would become known as Adja learns a > demon is being sent to the future to kill a vampire slayer who is a > prophised savior of the world. Adja follows the demon though a portal > planning on sacrificing herself to stop the demon and save Buffy > Summers. (Buffy The Vampire Slayer #27) > 1100 - The prophecy of the coming of the Anointed One is written. (Never Kill > A Boy On The First Date 1.05) > 1199 - Anyanka witnesses an ascension. (Graduation Day Part 1 3.21) > 1418 - Moloch the Corrupter is captured in a book in Italy. (I Robot, You > Jane) > 1481 - The Inca Princess is born. (Inca Mummy Girl 2.04) > 1497 - The Inca Princess is sacraficed. (Inca Mummy Girl 2.04) > 1498 - The sorcerer Koines dies and is buried on the island of Crete. > (Buffy The Vampire Slayer: Spike and Dru #1) > 1579 - Anyanka curses a man and meets Dracula. (Buffy Vs. Dracula 4.01) > 1609 - Darla becomes ill, and on her deathbed invites in the Master, who > sires her as a vampire. (Darla 2.07) > 1630 - Tammy receives the visions, they eventually kill her. (Birthday 3.11) > 1649 - A cleric from a village near the Black Forest finds the bodies of Greta > and Hans Strauss. (Gingerbread) > 1692 - Witchcraft trials break out in Salem, Anyanka is there. (Intervention > 5.18) > 1702 - After a mitosis, the demons Syd and Monica Frzylcka are married. (Double > Or Nothing 3.18) > 1723 - May 27, an ascension in Sharpsville. (Enemies) > 1727 - Liam is born. (The Prodigal 1.15) > 1753 - Liam encounters Darla in Galway, and she makes him a vampire, he > goes on a killing spree that includes his father, mother and sister. > (Becoming Part 1 2.21, The Prodigal 1.15) > 1760 - Darla introduces Angelus (formerly Liam) to the Master in London. > Angelus offends the Master, but leaves with Darla. The Master gives it > a century at best. (Darla 2.07) > 1764 - Angelus and Darla kill the wife and children of Daniel Holtz. (The > Quickening 3.08) > Holtz's daughter rises as a vampire and he has to slay her. (Lullaby > 3.09) > 1765 - Angelus and Darla visit France, get hunted by a mob and Holtz and are > separated. (The Trial 2.09) > 1767 - Angelus, Darla, James and Elisabeth visit Marseilles, kill the Count De > Leon and burn his ville. They are attacked by Holtz but escape. > (Heartthrob 3.01) > 1771 - In Rome, Holtz catches Angelus and tortures him to try to find Darla, > but Darla rescues him (The Offspring 3.07). > 1773 - Holtz is approached by the demon Sahjhan and makes a deal to > be frozen in time so he can catch Angelus and Darla. (The > Quickening 3.08) > 1800 - Angelus sires Penn and takes him under his wing. (Somnambulist 1.11) > 1803 - The Shroud of Rahmon is removed from it's box driving a whole > city insane. (The Shroud of Rahmon 2.08) > 1812 - The Sunnydale Mission is swallowed by an earthquake. (Pangs 4.08) > 1840 - Adja arrives from a portal in Sunnydale, California on the trail of > her demon and follows it into another portal. (Buffy The Vampire > Slayer #26) > 1843 - In Madrid a man catches Luke the vampire sleeping, they fight and the > man survives. (The Harvest 1.02) > 1856 - Angelus is captured by police in London for the murder of a little > girl. He kills the guard and escapes. (Angel #2) > 1860 - While in London Darla finds a new victim for Angelus to torment, a > woman with visions named Drusilla. Angelus torments Drusilla, kills > her family and all the sisters at a convent she enters, then makes > her a vampire. (Becoming Part 1 2.21 and Dear Boy 2.05) > 1863 - Manet's La Music Aux Tuileries was painted in France, Angelus was > there. (She 1.13) > 1873 - William is born or becomes a vampire. (The Initiative 4.07) > 1880 - William is rejected by Cecily in London as Angelus, Darla and Drusilla > visit the country. Drusilla says she's all alone, so she picks the > failing poet and sires him. As Spike he goes on a rampage in London > and forces Angelus's gang to flee to Yorkshire. Spike learns of the > Slayer. (Fool For Love 5.07 & Darla 2.07) > 1886 - Lyle and Tector Gorch kill everyone in a town and gain a reputation. > (Bad Eggs 2.12) > 1889 - Maude Pearson is born. (Rm w/a Vu 1.05) > 1890 - Angelus sees the ballet Giselle and is brought to tears. (Waiting In The > Wings 3.13) > 1892 - Angelus, Spike and Drusilla visit Vienna. Angelus sires Catherine and > they fight and wound the Hollower. (Buffy The Vampire Slayer: Angel > #1-3) > 1898 - Darla and Angelus visit Borsa Romania. Darla kidnaps and Angelus kills a > gypsy girl. The gypsies is given his soul back by a gypsy curse. > (Becoming Part 1 2.21, Five by Five 1.18) > Darla, Drusilla and Spike massacare the gypsies that cursed Angelus. > (Darla 2.07) > 1899 - In Utah two children were found dead and a rural community is torn > apart by suspicion. (Gingerbread) > Balthazar and the Eliminati are driven out of Sunnydale. (Bad Girls) > Sunnydale is founded. (Graduation Day Part 2) > Drusilla catches Spike kissing a woman named Portia and becomes jealous. > (Buffy The Vampire Slayer: Spike and Dru #1) > 1900 - Darla, Drusilla and Spike feast on people during the Boxer Rebellion in > Beijing China. Angelus tries to return to them, but is unable to kill > innocents because of his curse. (Darla 2.07) Spike kills his first > Slayer, Xin Rong. (Fool For Love 5.07) > 1903 - Richard Wilkins marries Edna May. (Choices) > 1905 - Anyanka grants a wish in St. Petersburg Russia, sparking a revolution. > (Selfless 7.05) > 1907 - The real Ms. French is born. (Teacher's Pet 1.04) > 1908 - Penn visits Boston and goes on a killing spree. (The Somnambulist > 1.11) > 1914 - In Chicago Anyanka exacts vengeance on Stewart Burns, turning him into a > demon and sending him to be tortured in hell. (Hell's Bells > 6.16) > 1917 - Angelus arrives in America, shuns other vampires and doesn't hunt humans. > (Angel 1.07) > 1920 - Angelus fights the demon Boone over a woman in Juarez. (Blood Money 2.12) > 1926 - Wolfram & Hart conduct their 75 year review and sack over half a middle > managment, with actual sacks. (Reprise 2.15) > 1928 - Three roofers die in the construction of the Hyperion Hotel. (Are You > Now Or Have You Ever Been 2.02) > 1929 - Penn visits L.A. and goes on a killing spree. (The Somnambulist 1.11) > 1932 - An earthquake in Sunnydale swallows up a temple Proserpexa on Kingman's > Bluff before it's followers can use it to destroy the world. (mentioned > in Grave 6.22) > 1933 - Spike and Drusilla attend the World's Fair in Chicago, are attacked by > the relatives on Xin Rong and fight a demon summoned through a power > generator. (Buffy The Vampire Slayer: Spike and Dru #3) > 1937 - The Master and his order go on a killing spree in Sunnydale, attempt to > open the hellmouth and half the city is swallowed in an earthquake. > (The Harvest 1.02) > In New York Rachel O'Connor, the Vampire Slayer, takes out a vampire, > then is contacted by the government about intercepting a german agent > who is smuggling a genie in a bottle. She fights the agent, the genie is > freed, then she traps it in a locker at Penn Station (Buffy The Vampire > Slayer: Tales of the Slayer #1) > 1938 - Trevor Lockley is born. (The Prodigal 1.15) > 1946 - Maude Pearson burries her son Dennis alive and dies of a heart attack > in what would one day become Cordelia Chase's apartment. (Rm w/a Vu > 1.05) > 1949 - The Lowell House For Children in Sunnydale is opened. (Where The Wild > Things Are 4.18) > In Utau two children are found dead with a mysterious mark on them. > (Gingerbread) > 1951 - Holland Manners is born. (Blood Money 2.12) > 1952 - Angelus stays at the Hyperion Hotel, a man kills himself thanks to a > demon's influence. Angelus is blamed. (Are You Now Or Have You Ever > Been 2.02) > 1954 - Frank Gilnets is executed by the state of California for the murder > of a salesman at the Hyperion Hotel. (Are You Now Or Have You Ever > Been 2.02) > Rupert Giles is born in England. (Buffy web site.) > 1955 - At Sunnydale High student James Stanley secretly starts to date teacher > Grace Newman. She breaks up with him before the Sadie Hawkins dance. > He accidentally shoots her then kills himself because of his guilt. (I > Only Have Eyes For You) > 1957 - Ted Buchannon gets married. (Ted) > 1958 - Joyce Summers is born. (Weight of the World 5.21) > 1959 - Margo Dressner commits "suicide" in what would one day become > Cordelia Chase's apartment. (Rm w/a Vu 1.05) > 1960 - The Lowell House For Children in Sunnydale is closed. (Where The Wild > Things Are 4.18) > 1963 - Penn visits L.A. again and goes on a killing spree. (The Somnambulist > 1.11) > 1965 - Jenny Kim commits "suicide" in what would one day become Cordelia > Chase's apartment. (Rm w/a Vu 1.05) > Future police officer Peter Harkes is born. (Thin Dead Line 2.14) > 1967 - July 18, Vanessa Brewer is born. (Blind Date 1.21) > Future police officer Kevin Hellerbrook is born. (Thin Dead Line 2.14) > A drunk Angelus attends the wedding reception of Elvis and Priscilla > Presley in Las Vegas. (Mentioned in The House Always Wins 4.03). > 1968 - Wolfram & Hart get rid of a number of employees for Christmas (Reprise > 2.15). > 1969 - Spike attends Woodstock and eats a flowerchild. He stares at his hand for > several hours. (School Hard 2.03) > Angelus sees the film Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid at the Ziegfeld > theatre in New York (mentioned in Buffy The Vampire Slayer #50). > 1975 - Denver picks up the Blessed Glove at a yard sale. (Reprise 2.15) > Rupert drops out of Oxford, moves to London and joins a bad crowd. (The > Dark Age) > 1976 - Allen Francis Doyle is born. (Bachlor Party 1.7) > Glorificus is defeated and placed in the body of a boy child named Ben. > (Weight of the World 5.21) > Adja arrives from a portal in Sunnydale, California on the trail of > her demon and follows it into another portal. (Buffy The Vampire > Slayer #26) > 1977 - In New York City Spike confronts his second Slayer, kills her and > takes her jacket. (Fool For Love 5.07) > 1978 - Daryl Epps is born. (Some Assembly Required 2.02) > 1979 - December 16, Roland Meeks kills a number of guests at a the Hyperion > Hotel with a shotgun. The hotel closes. (Are You Now Or Have You Ever > Been 2.02) > 1980 - Rupert Giles starts fighting demons regularly. (A New Man 4.11) > 1981 - In January, Buffy Anne Summers is born to Joyce and Hank Summers in Los > Angeles. > In January Cordelia Chase is born. (Birthday 3.11) > Alexander Lavelle Harris is born. (Buffy web site.) > 1982 - Willow Rosenberg is born in Sunnydale, California. (Buffy web site.) > 1983 - Potential Vampire Slayer Kennedy is born (Bring On The Night 7.10 script) > 1985 - Gwen Raiden placed in school by her parents. (Ground State 4.03) > Potential Vampire Slayer Eve is born (Showtime 7.11 script) > Potential Vampire Slayer Vi is born (Showtime 7.11 script) > 1986 - Potential Vampire Slayer Annabelle is born (Bring On The Night 7.10 > script) Potential Vampire Slayer Rona is born (Showtime 7.11 script) > 1987 - Dawn Summers is supposedly born. (Real Me 5.02) > As Xander has his 6th birthday with his friend Willow he is chased and > frightened by a clown. (Nightmares 1.10) > Willow cries when she breaks the yellow crayon on her first day of > Kindergarten, but Xander is there for her. (Grave 6.22) > Potential Vampire Slayer Molly is born (Bring On The Night 7.10 script) > 1988 - At Xander's 7th birthday party the house next door burns down and > he gets to watch the fire trucks. (The Replacement 5.03) > Potential Vampire Slayer Chloe is born (Showtime 7.11 script) > 1989 - Buffy's cousin Celia dies in a hospital with Buffy there. (Killed by > Death) > In Sunnydale, Willow plays dead to save herself and Xander from Mad > Jack while camping out in Xander's back yard. (Blood of Carthage) > 1992 - The vampire who Darla would later approach in trying sire her is sired > himself. (The Trial 2.09) > Buffy tells Dawn that marshmellows are monkey brains. (Blood Ties > 5.13) > 1993 - July 12, Vanessa Brewer arrested for driving without a license. > (Blind Date 1.21) > 1993 - October 31st, 12 year old Buffy Anne Summers dresses up as Little Red > Riding Hood and her father Hank takes her trick-or-treating. (Fear, > Itself 4.4) > 1994 - Natalie Davis commits "suicide" in what would one day become Cordelia > Chase's apartment. (Rm w/a Vu 1.05) > Willow has her bat mitzvah, Xander and his parents attend, and they > drink to excess (Hell's Bells 6.16) > 1995 - Charles Gunn sells his soul to the demon Jenoff for a truck. (Double > or Nothing 3.18) > April 23, Vanessa Brewer arrested for aggravated assualt. (Blind Date > 1.21) > 1996 - Angelus is found by Wistler in an alley in Manhatten. Buffy Summers is > approached by Merrick the Watcher. (Becoming Part 1 2.21) > May 7th, Winifred Burkle disappears from a library in Los Angeles when > sucked into a dimensional portal. (Belonging 2.19) > The C.R.D. plant in Sunnydale shuts down, Xander's uncle looses his > job. (I Robot, You Jane 1.08) 1789: Angelus meets The Beast (Angel: Soulless). The Beast asks him to exterminate some Priestesses, but Angelus refuses. The Beast punches out Angelus' lights just before the Priestesses banish him.

2003-03-02 21:06:59-05:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated. - ("Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net>)


On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 02:00:27 GMT, Rick S wrote: > "Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote in > news:9191121021095238.NC-1.55.mathewignash@news.mi.comcast.giganews.com: > > > > > I just spent some time updating my timeline of events that happened > > before the pilot of Buffy The Vampire Slayer, so I figured I'd post > > it. If anyone has any additional items to add, I'd appreciate > > mentioning them. > > If we're sure now that Woods Mother was the Slayer that Spike killed, > then you can add his birth in 1973. True. He said he was 4 when she died in 1977, so that give an approximate year of 1973. It will be added to the timeline. -- Mathew Homepage - http://mathew.fcpages.com/ Angel web site - http://angel.fcpages.com/

2003-03-03 02:21:23+01:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (George van Hal <hal00055@planet.nl>)


Mathew R. Ignash wrote: >>John L wrote: >> >> >>>Can we cool it please? Seconded :-) >>> >>>Matthew R Ignash has emailed me to say he will refrain >>>from posting to uk.media.tv-buffy-v-slayer, so let us >>>give him a chance by letting this thread of cross-posted >>>insults die. >> >><Raises hand> Alt.buffy.europe too please! > > Oh come on, that group has been DEAD lately. Like 10 posts a day! People in > Europe can read the timeline too. Or do you have a secret handshake and spoiler > decoder ring too? Ignoring the tone of this comment: Yes, we have spoiler rules in abe as well. I wouldn't exactly call the group dead either, it's just low on traffic apart from the discussions of new US eps (we're a bunch of downloaders ;-)). That doesn't mean you get to ignore the spoiler rules of this group when you're posting to it. Personally I liked the timeline. There's probably an enormous amount of effort that went into it. I think there might have been an actual discussion about it too, if not for the following debate about spoiler rules. You keep saying that people should know what the 'new' episodes are. To most of the people in the groups you're posting to, the 'new' episodes are 'new' for their area. The australians will have thought that the 'new episodes' thing was meant for the australians schedule, just like the UK groups might reasonably thing that 'new' refers to *their* schedule. Over in alt.buffy.europe (because we're used to conflicting schedules) we mention the word [spoilers] in the header and mention up to which ep of what show (Buffy or Angel) is being spoiled in the bodytext above the spoilerspace. Spoilerspace is a fairly normal thing in most usenet groups I post to. It does not require a lot of effort to do and it will make for a lot less painfull experience with people being spoiled left and right. Now I realise that for you guys in the US group the whole deal of spoilerspace might seem a bit odd. Most of us avoid the US group to not get spoiled, or just because they like their own group more. Whatever the case, there's a reason why there's a lot of seperate newsgroups for Buffy. The conflicting schedules and rules make it hard to post to all groups and conform to all rules, but if you're going to crosspost, you should sort out what's what in the groups your message is going to be viewed in. If you don't want to take that effort, the answer is relatively simple: don't crosspost. I'm sure your posts will get more than enough attention in the US group, because the content actually IS interesting. It's just the way you put that content across that tends to piss people off. Now lets please not start a flamewar or anything. I like the relative peace and quiet of alt.buffy.europe. Interesting discussion without lots and lots of traffic. And, shockingly enough, most of the posts are on topic. Now I would like our little group to stay that way. Asking you guys to cut abe out of this thread probably won't work, so I won't ask. Anyway, just wanted to give my two euro cents there for a moment. Now I return you all to our regularly sheduled programming. See Ya, George (Who apologises for continuing the crossposting madness)

2003-03-03 06:10:44-05:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - ("Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net>)


On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:39:18 -0000, "David Chapman" wrote: > The Department of Pre-Crime reports that Mathew R. Ignash will say: > > On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 02:00:27 GMT, Rick S wrote: > > > >> "Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote in > >> news:9191121021095238.NC-1.55.mathewignash@news.mi.comcast.giganews.com: > >> > >>> > >>> I just spent some time updating my timeline of events that happened > >>> before the pilot of Buffy The Vampire Slayer, so I figured I'd post > >>> it. If anyone has any additional items to add, I'd appreciate > >>> mentioning them. > > *Please*, will you guys stop posting unprotected spoilers outside ATBVS? The top of the thread says it has spoilers for those who arn't up to the latest episode. Stop reading the post there if you arn't up to the latest ep and don't want spoilers. > Re: the timeline - why do you refer to "Angel" as "Angelus" for events in > the period 1898-1996? A common misconception to call him Angel with a soul, and Angelus without. The name Angel has never been shown to be used before 1996. The first time we saw him utter it was to Buffy in the crypt in The Harvest. So I call him Angelus before then because that was the last name he used. -- Mathew Homepage - http://mathew.fcpages.com/ Angel web site - http://angel.fcpages.com/

2003-03-03 07:00:32-05:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - ("Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net>)


On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:44:35 -0000, "Dr Zoidberg" wrote: > Look fuckwit , different groups have different policies regarding spoilers. > In the UK group we use spoiler space and warnings in the post headers so if > you want to crosspost here then abide by our conventions. > I'm sure that other non US groups feel the same. ...and calling someone "fucktwit" is always the best policy for getting them to do what you want. -- Mathew Homepage - http://mathew.fcpages.com/ Angel web site - http://angel.fcpages.com/

2003-03-03 07:02:56-05:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - ("Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net>)


On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:49:31 -0000, "John L" wrote: > "The latest episode" varies from country to country. You have posted > unprotected spoilers even for those who are up to "the latest episode" in Britain. The latest episode is the latest episode! You should know if you arn't up to it yet in your viewing area, and if that matters to you or not. -- Mathew Homepage - http://mathew.fcpages.com/ Angel web site - http://angel.fcpages.com/

2003-03-03 08:46:33-05:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - ("Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net>)


On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 13:34:49 GMT, "Christopher G Brannigan" wrote: > > A common misconception to call him Angel with a soul, and Angelus without. > The > > name Angel has never been shown to be used before 1996. The first time we > saw > > him utter it was to Buffy in the crypt in The Harvest. So I call him > Angelus > > before then because that was the last name he used. > > > > yes and you also use the comics and novels as time line references when they > no was impact the real buffy time line. All the timelines references are CLEARLY marked as to the source of the information, be that an episode, a comic, a novel, or whatever. I'm not making a judgement as to what's "real" or not for you, I just list it and let the reader decide what they want to follow. What could possibly be wrong with that? As for calling him "Angelus" up to 1996, show me ANY reference to him using that name before the series started please. I have yet to find any. Note that I still call him Liam up till the first time he uses the name Angelus on screen as well, which doesn't happen for several years after he was vamped. -- Mathew Homepage - http://mathew.fcpages.com/ Angel web site - http://angel.fcpages.com/

2003-03-03 10:30:13-08:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated. - (kenm47@ix.netcom.com)


"Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<9191121021095238.NC-1.55.mathewignash@news.mi.comcast.giganews.com>... > I just spent some time updating my timeline of events that happened before the > pilot of Buffy The Vampire Slayer, so I figured I'd post it. If anyone has any > additional items to add, I'd appreciate mentioning them. > > Note: Anyone who isn't up to date on the most recent episodes of all series, > this timeline may contain spoilers. Also, I have included events from the Buffy > and Angel comic book, but marked events from the comics as such, so you can > ignore them on read them as you wish. Many years are approximate, for instance > if someone said something happened about 500 years ago, and said it in 1997, > then the event is listed in 1497. > > Buffy Timeline <SNIP an entertaining effort--thanks> Why no mention of the crucifixion? A lot of vamps claim they were there? (School Hard) Ken

2003-03-03 10:39:18+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated (FUCKWITS POSTING MASSIVE S7 SPOILERS AGAIN) - (David Chapman <evildeath@madasafish.com>)


The Department of Pre-Crime reports that Mathew R. Ignash will say: > On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 02:00:27 GMT, Rick S wrote: > >> "Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote in >> news:9191121021095238.NC-1.55.mathewignash@news.mi.comcast.giganews.com: >> >>> >>> I just spent some time updating my timeline of events that happened >>> before the pilot of Buffy The Vampire Slayer, so I figured I'd post >>> it. If anyone has any additional items to add, I'd appreciate >>> mentioning them. *Please*, will you guys stop posting unprotected spoilers outside ATBVS? Re: the timeline - why do you refer to "Angel" as "Angelus" for events in the period 1898-1996? -- The perfect drug. Euphoric, narcotic, pleasantly hallucinant. All the advantages of Christianity and alcohol; none of their defects.

2003-03-03 10:39:45-05:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated. - ("Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net>)


On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 16:32:59 +0100, "Wouter Valentijn" wrote: > > 1873 - William is born or becomes a vampire. (The Initiative 4.07) > > 1880 - William is rejected by Cecily in London as Angelus, Darla and > Drusilla > > visit the country. Drusilla says she's all alone, so she picks the > > failing poet and sires him. As Spike he goes on a rampage in London > > and forces Angelus's gang to flee to Yorkshire. Spike learns of the > > Slayer. (Fool For Love 5.07 & Darla 2.07) > > > This part remains confusing. I think both could merge into one date. It is confusing because the information given in the episodes contradicts each other. Spike said his age in The Initiative which places his birth (or possibly siring) in 1873, and we saw a flashback to his siring in in 1880 in FFL and in Darla. If one believes his age given in The Initiative, he would have been 7 years old when sired as a vamp! Not bloody likely. I placed them both in there for the sake of completeness, but I noted the ep referencing it in each case. Believe which you will. Most likely is that Spike just messed up his age. I'd believe age based on a flashback over what someone said when they were depressed and crying about how they arn't that old personally. -- Mathew Homepage - http://mathew.fcpages.com/ Angel web site - http://angel.fcpages.com/

2003-03-03 10:41:26-05:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - ("Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net>)


On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:35:38 -0000, "Andrew Cameron" wrote: > to a post with unprotected spoilers. Not only does this go against the > charter, but adding the other Buffy groups causes this thread to be joined Just a point of interest: What's a charter in this context and where does one get it? -- Mathew Homepage - http://mathew.fcpages.com/ Angel web site - http://angel.fcpages.com/

2003-03-03 11:44:35+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (Dr Zoidberg <AlexNOOOOOO!!!!!@Drzoidberg.co.uk>)


Mathew R. Ignash wrote: > On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:39:18 -0000, "David Chapman" wrote: > >> The Department of Pre-Crime reports that Mathew R. Ignash will say: >>> On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 02:00:27 GMT, Rick S wrote: >>> >>>> "Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote in >>>> news:9191121021095238.NC-1.55.mathewignash@news.mi.comcast.giganews.com: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I just spent some time updating my timeline of events that >>>>> happened before the pilot of Buffy The Vampire Slayer, so I >>>>> figured I'd post it. If anyone has any additional items to add, >>>>> I'd appreciate mentioning them. >> >> *Please*, will you guys stop posting unprotected spoilers outside >> ATBVS? > > The top of the thread says it has spoilers for those who arn't up to > the latest episode. Stop reading the post there if you arn't up to > the latest ep and don't want spoilers. Look fuckwit , different groups have different policies regarding spoilers. In the UK group we use spoiler space and warnings in the post headers so if you want to crosspost here then abide by our conventions. I'm sure that other non US groups feel the same. -- Alex "We are now up against live, hostile targets" "So, if Little Red Riding Hood should show up with a bazooka and a bad attitude, I expect you to chin the bitch! " www.drzoidberg.co.uk

2003-03-03 11:49:31+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (John L <jl@lammtarra.fslife.co.uk>)


"Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote in message news:919237019930243.NC-1.55.mathewignash@news.mi.comcast.giganews.com... > On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:39:18 -0000, "David Chapman" wrote: > > > The Department of Pre-Crime reports that Mathew R. Ignash will say: > > > On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 02:00:27 GMT, Rick S wrote: > > > > > >> "Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote in > > >> news:9191121021095238.NC-1.55.mathewignash@news.mi.comcast.giganews.com: > > >> > > >>> > > >>> I just spent some time updating my timeline of events that happened > > >>> before the pilot of Buffy The Vampire Slayer, so I figured I'd post > > >>> it. If anyone has any additional items to add, I'd appreciate > > >>> mentioning them. > > > > *Please*, will you guys stop posting unprotected spoilers outside ATBVS? > > The top of the thread says it has spoilers for those who arn't up to the latest > episode. Stop reading the post there if you arn't up to the latest ep and don't > want spoilers. > "The latest episode" varies from country to country. You have posted unprotected spoilers even for those who are up to "the latest episode" in Britain. And once the top of the thread has gone, what of subsequent messages? Remember popular newsreaders (including MS OE, the most common) show message text automatically. That is why we use spoiler space. The message from Matthew R. Ignash quoted above includes in its next paragraph a major unprotected spoiler for s7 episode 14 and beyond, which is seven episodes ahead of UK satellite/cable and a whole season ahead of UK terrestrial television. Matthew R. Ignash is responding to a message from Rick S which was not cross-posted to the UK group, presumably because Rick S has the wit to appreciate the situation and the courtesy to trim the newsgroups list accordingly, for which many thanks. John.

2003-03-03 11:56:30+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (David Chapman <evildeath@madasafish.com>)


The Department of Pre-Crime reports that Mathew R. Ignash will say: > On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:39:18 -0000, "David Chapman" wrote: > >> The Department of Pre-Crime reports that Mathew R. Ignash will say: >>> On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 02:00:27 GMT, Rick S wrote: >>> >>>> "Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote in >>>> news:9191121021095238.NC-1.55.mathewignash@news.mi.comcast.giganews.com: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I just spent some time updating my timeline of events that >>>>> happened before the pilot of Buffy The Vampire Slayer, so I >>>>> figured I'd post >>>>> it. If anyone has any additional items to add, I'd appreciate >>>>> mentioning them. >> >> *Please*, will you guys stop posting unprotected spoilers outside >> ATBVS? > > The top of the thread says it has spoilers for those who arn't up to > the latest episode. Stop reading the post there if you arn't up to > the latest ep and don't want spoilers. Please, show me just where in this post a warning is given: On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 02:00:27 GMT, Rick S wrote: > "Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote in > news:9191121021095238.NC-1.55.mathewignash@news.mi.comcast.giganews.com: > >> >> I just spent some time updating my timeline of events that happened >> before the pilot of Buffy The Vampire Slayer, so I figured I'd post >> it. If anyone has any additional items to add, I'd appreciate >> mentioning them. > > <Rick's spoiler, posted only to ATBVS> <Your confirmation of Rick's spoiler, X-posts *reinserted*> My word - I do believe there isn't one. Moron. -- The perfect drug. Euphoric, narcotic, pleasantly hallucinant. All the advantages of Christianity and alcohol; none of their defects.

2003-03-03 12:01:39-05:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated. - ("Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net>)


On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 16:54:32 GMT, Rick S wrote: > "Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote in > news:9191121021095238.NC-1.55.mathewignash@news.mi.comcast.giganews.com: > > > > > I just spent some time updating my timeline of events that happened > > before the pilot of Buffy The Vampire Slayer, so I figured I'd post > > it. If anyone has any additional items to add, I'd appreciate > > mentioning them. > > I just looked at the Tara pictures that you posted on your site. The > info in that last picture isn't in your timelime. > > http://angelseries.freeyellow.com/taragrabs.html Tara's birth date? It's in there isn't is? (looking) Oh crap! I can't believe I left that out. It's there now: http://angel.fcpages.com/timeline.txt -- Mathew Homepage - http://mathew.fcpages.com/ Angel web site - http://angel.fcpages.com/

2003-03-03 12:04:29-05:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated (MASSIVE S7 SPOILERS AGAIN) - ("Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net>)


On 3 Mar 2003 16:53:24 GMT, Shawn Hill wrote: > In alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer David Chapman <evildeath@madasafish.com> wrote: > : The Department of Pre-Crime reports that Mathew R. Ignash will say: > :> On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 02:00:27 GMT, Rick S wrote: > :> > :>> "Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote in > :>> news:9191121021095238.NC-1.55.mathewignash@news.mi.comcast.giganews.com: > :>> > :>>> > :>>> I just spent some time updating my timeline of events that happened > :>>> before the pilot of Buffy The Vampire Slayer, so I figured I'd post > :>>> it. If anyone has any additional items to add, I'd appreciate > :>>> mentioning them. > > : *Please*, will you guys stop posting unprotected spoilers outside ATBVS? > > : Re: the timeline - why do you refer to "Angel" as "Angelus" for events in > : the period 1898-1996? > > Don't let 'em get you down, Matthew, the timeline was very intriguing and > thorough. My god, someone actually liked a post and said something nice, instead of posting with both cannon blazing? What's the usenet coming to?!?! -- Mathew Homepage - http://mathew.fcpages.com/ Angel web site - http://angel.fcpages.com/

2003-03-03 12:05:07-08:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (wallyrosenberg@hotmail.com)


"Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<919242026722245.NC-1.55.mathewignash@news.mi.comcast.giganews.com>... > On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:44:35 -0000, "Dr Zoidberg" wrote: > > Look fuckwit , different groups have different policies regarding spoilers. > > In the UK group we use spoiler space and warnings in the post headers so if > > you want to crosspost here then abide by our conventions. > > I'm sure that other non US groups feel the same. > > ...and calling someone "fucktwit" is always the best policy for getting them to > do what you want. Don't bother arguing with them. The UK buffy NG is simply a kind of weird game, mostly involving arguments about their little charter. Instead of having a moderated NG or forum, which would make more sense, they have an unmoderated one that anyone can post to, then they attack such newbies if they break the rules, as unpleasantly as possible, feeling entirely free of any need to be polite, because they all reinforce each other's self-righteousness. Even though their little hobby makes no sense. I hope no one runs away with the idea that they represent UK buffy fans in any way. (In fact, like a lot of Usenet Buffy fans, they seem to hate most episodes made since 1999.)

2003-03-03 12:19:55-05:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - ("Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net>)


On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:18:19 +0100, Saskia wrote: > > Just a point of interest: What's a charter in this context and where does one > > get it? > > If you don't know the answer to this question you shouldn't post to these > groups. Well, NO, because I never heard of it before, so I wouldn't know to stay out of the group because it says to in the characterm which I didn't know exists. Use some logic. Also... because it's fun... have I mentioned?... Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! -- Mathew Homepage - http://mathew.fcpages.com/ Angel web site - http://angel.fcpages.com/

2003-03-03 12:20:18+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (Andrew Cameron <usenet@tags2k.co.uk>)


"Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote in message news:919242026722245.NC-1.55.mathewignash@news.mi.comcast.giganews.com... > On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:44:35 -0000, "Dr Zoidberg" wrote: > > Look fuckwit , different groups have different policies regarding spoilers. > > In the UK group we use spoiler space and warnings in the post headers so if > > you want to crosspost here then abide by our conventions. > > I'm sure that other non US groups feel the same. > > ...and calling someone "fucktwit" is always the best policy for getting them to > do what you want. You're a fuckwit, a tosser, an arsehole... there must be one of those words you understand. STOP FUCKING POSTING YOUR SHIT AND SPOILING UK PEOPLE, COCKWAD. Andrew Cameron

2003-03-03 12:24:03-05:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated. - ("Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net>)


On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:19:03 +0100, "Wouter Valentijn" wrote: > I think you are correct about Spike messing up by those 7 years. Must have > been because of that flower person he ate once;). > > BTW, keep up the good work. Thank you Wouter! Of course he was a poet, and a bad one at that, not a mathematics major. -- Mathew Homepage - http://mathew.fcpages.com/ Angel web site - http://angel.fcpages.com/

2003-03-03 12:35:48-05:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - ("Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net>)


On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:32:31 +0100, Saskia wrote: > Mathew R. Ignash wrote: > > On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:18:19 +0100, Saskia wrote: > >>> Just a point of interest: What's a charter in this context and where does one > >>> get it? > >> > >> If you don't know the answer to this question you shouldn't post to these > >> groups. > > > > Well, NO, because I never heard of it before, so I wouldn't know to stay out of > > the group because it says to in the characterm which I didn't know exists. Use > > some logic. > > <very deep sigh> > > I give up and will just my killfile from now on :( Out smarted you huh? > > Also... because it's fun... have I mentioned?... > > > > Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! > > Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! > > Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! > > Wood! > > Troll. So, mentioning the name Wood is now a spoiler in UK groups? Oh wait, you posted a post with the word Wood without 50 spaces in front of it! You're a Spoiler in the UK group too! I'll see you in the WOODshed. -- Mathew Homepage - http://mathew.fcpages.com/ Angel web site - http://angel.fcpages.com/

2003-03-03 12:55:42+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (Dr Zoidberg <AlexNOOOOOO!!!!!@Drzoidberg.co.uk>)


Mathew R. Ignash wrote: > On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:44:35 -0000, "Dr Zoidberg" wrote: >> Look fuckwit , different groups have different policies regarding >> spoilers. In the UK group we use spoiler space and warnings in the >> post headers so if you want to crosspost here then abide by our >> conventions. I'm sure that other non US groups feel the same. > > ...and calling someone "fucktwit" is always the best policy for > getting them to do what you want. Well you had already stated that you were going to do as you please anyway , so why not get some fun out of using an appropriate description of you. Would you like me to call you an irritating little cunt next? -- Alex "We are now up against live, hostile targets" "So, if Little Red Riding Hood should show up with a bazooka and a bad attitude, I expect you to chin the bitch! " www.drzoidberg.co.uk

2003-03-03 13:06:16+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (David Chapman <evildeath@madasafish.com>)


The Department of Pre-Crime reports that Mathew R. Ignash will say: > On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:49:31 -0000, "John L" wrote: >> "The latest episode" varies from country to country. You have posted >> unprotected spoilers even for those who are up to "the latest >> episode" in Britain. > > The latest episode is the latest episode! You should know if you > arn't up to it yet in your viewing area, and if that matters to you or not. Fine. But the next time you add in a crosspost to this group for a post with unprotected spoilers in it, you'll be getting several reports to your ISP of abusive posting and charter violation. -- The perfect drug. Euphoric, narcotic, pleasantly hallucinant. All the advantages of Christianity and alcohol; none of their defects.

2003-03-03 13:17:09+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (Andrew Cameron <usenet@tags2k.co.uk>)


"David Chapman" <evildeath@madasafish.com> wrote in message news:b3vk1h$1qduge$2@ID-93395.news.dfncis.de... > The Department of Pre-Crime reports that Mathew R. Ignash will say: > > On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:49:31 -0000, "John L" wrote: > >> "The latest episode" varies from country to country. You have posted > >> unprotected spoilers even for those who are up to "the latest > >> episode" in Britain. > > > > The latest episode is the latest episode! You should know if you > > arn't up to it yet in your viewing area, and if that matters to you or > not. > > Fine. But the next time you add in a crosspost to this group for a post > with unprotected spoilers in it, you'll be getting several reports to your > ISP of abusive posting and charter violation. "Next time"? David, you're going soft... Andrew Cameron

2003-03-03 13:17:53-05:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - ("Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net>)


On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 18:17:04 +0000, Gunnar Harboe wrote: > On 03 Mar 2003 12:19:55 -0500, "Mathew R. Ignash" > <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote: > > >On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:18:19 +0100, Saskia wrote: > >> > Just a point of interest: What's a charter in this context and where does one > >> > get it? > >> > >> If you don't know the answer to this question you shouldn't post to these > >> groups. > > > >Well, NO, because I never heard of it before, so I wouldn't know to stay out of > >the group because it says to in the characterm which I didn't know exists. Use > >some logic. > > If you don't know what a charter is, you shouldn't be posting to Usenet > AT ALL. Every Usenet FAQ will tell you to learn the basics of newsgroups > before posting to one, and to LEARN THE RULES of the groups you post to. > > For your benefit: A charter is basically the Constitution of a newsgoup. > It establishes the fundamental rules of the group: what it is about and > how people should post to it. Been posting for 6 years now. I have posted about 6000 unique posts to the usenet according to my software. Never see a "charter" posted. I've seen a group FAQ. When was the last time a "charter" was posted to this group? -- Mathew Homepage - http://mathew.fcpages.com/ Angel web site - http://angel.fcpages.com/

2003-03-03 13:22:35-05:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - ("Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net>)


On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:21:12 -0000, "Andrew Cameron" wrote: > > So, mentioning the name Wood is now a spoiler in UK groups? Oh wait, you > posted > > a post with the word Wood without 50 spaces in front of it! You're a > Spoiler in > > the UK group too! I'll see you in the WOODshed. > > You outsmart nobody - you piss them off. You are now trolling. STFU, HTH, > HAND. Trolling? no. Annoyed? yes. I'm posting nothing of any spoilerific content, and people are fuming at me for simply existing. Ignore me.. you win, but if you challange me, you will loose. Please, see if you can NOT respond. (set to the Ghostbusters theme) - There's something WOOD in the neighborhood... where you good post? UK newsgroup! Again, I'm saying NOTHING about him. So it's not a spoiler. -- Mathew Homepage - http://mathew.fcpages.com/ Angel web site - http://angel.fcpages.com/

2003-03-03 13:31:30-05:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated. - ("Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net>)


On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:23:00 -0000, "Sieue" wrote: > Mathew R. Ignash wrote: > > On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:19:03 +0100, "Wouter Valentijn" wrote: > >> I think you are correct about Spike messing up by those 7 years. > >> Must have been because of that flower person he ate once;). > >> > >> BTW, keep up the good work. > > > > Thank you Wouter! > > > > Of course he was a poet, and a bad one at that, not a mathematics > > major. > > Please go away and keep out of our groups. Wasn't aware you owned groups. I'm impressed. Okay, so what part of mentioning Spike's siring is a spoiler to the UK now? Or are you just being bitchy for fun? -- Mathew Homepage - http://mathew.fcpages.com/ Angel web site - http://angel.fcpages.com/

2003-03-03 13:34:49+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (Christopher G Brannigan <chris@cgbrannigan.freeserve.co.uk>)


"Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote in message news:919237019930243.NC-1.55.mathewignash@news.mi.comcast.giganews.com... > On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:39:18 -0000, "David Chapman" wrote: > > > The Department of Pre-Crime reports that Mathew R. Ignash will say: > > > On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 02:00:27 GMT, Rick S wrote: > > > > > >> "Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote in > > >> news:9191121021095238.NC-1.55.mathewignash@news.mi.comcast.giganews.com: > > >> > > >>> > > >>> I just spent some time updating my timeline of events that happened > > >>> before the pilot of Buffy The Vampire Slayer, so I figured I'd post > > >>> it. If anyone has any additional items to add, I'd appreciate > > >>> mentioning them. > > > > *Please*, will you guys stop posting unprotected spoilers outside ATBVS? > > The top of the thread says it has spoilers for those who arn't up to the latest > episode. Stop reading the post there if you arn't up to the latest ep and don't > want spoilers. > > > Re: the timeline - why do you refer to "Angel" as "Angelus" for events in > > the period 1898-1996? > > A common misconception to call him Angel with a soul, and Angelus without. The > name Angel has never been shown to be used before 1996. The first time we saw > him utter it was to Buffy in the crypt in The Harvest. So I call him Angelus > before then because that was the last name he used. > yes and you also use the comics and novels as time line references when they no was impact the real buffy time line. -- "Bubbly and sweet with a hunger for fun and a smile that lights up the room" - My Dawn - My Dvd Collection - http://www.dvdprofiler.com/mycollection.asp?alias=cgbrannigan My TV Caps - http://mediasite.de/chrisb -

2003-03-03 13:37:03-05:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - ("Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net>)


On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 18:26:17 +0000, Gunnar Harboe wrote: > >Been posting for 6 years now. I have posted about 6000 unique posts to the > >usenet according to my software. Never see a "charter" posted. I've seen a group > >FAQ. When was the last time a "charter" was posted to this group? > > uk.media.tv.buffy-v-slayer? > > Last Wednesday. > > Since you haven't seen the UMTB charter, you obviously haven't read the > UMTB FAQ even though you're crossposting there. If you've posted 6000 > unique posts, you can hardly claim you don't know *that's* a bad idea. I searched my archives of this group in my client for the word "charter" and all I got were bitchy posts to me, and my stunning replies. What is the SUBJECT of the charter please? When will I see it repost? Can I request a repost ASAP? Or if it's on a web site, link me! Oh, and... WOOD! -- Mathew Homepage - http://mathew.fcpages.com/ Angel web site - http://angel.fcpages.com/

2003-03-03 13:53:24-05:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - ("Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net>)


On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 18:43:27 GMT, "Christopher G Brannigan" wrote: > http://tinyurl.com/6rlm > > and in case you can't be arsed clicking the link and reading it...here's the > major point you've vialated Yes, let's talk down to someone trying to be polite and find out what rule he violated. A way to win friends. Especially when I already admitted to posting an accidental spoiler about Wood, ONCE, about 50 posts ago! > Also any adverts should have AD or ADVERT in the subject line and the post > be under 10 lines. My post qualifies as an advertisement? I figured it for a ANNOUNCEMENT! I'm selling nothing, I'm telling people I have something posted somewhere. > see, simple enough.....changed the wording of a couple of sentences and it's > all sorted and no one would moan at you for it...but as you could take the > short amount of time to look up our FAQ before essentially Spamming your > site here then you breeched the charter several times with this post, your > timeline post and many subsequent posts and for thing you will no doubt be > reported to your ISP and possibly have your website, your usenet access and > possibly your internet account revoked. Now I'm not going to report you but > I'm sure someone else will. Yes, because they will give a flying fig. Thanks. Never got yelled at before for telling people in a Buffy group that I have some pictures of Buffy cast. This is special to me. Thanks! > ChrisB > > SPOILER SPACE for things on TV Caps page > your caps page shows several MAJOR spoilers for season 6 which has not yet > aired on UK terestrial TV. Yes, but since my web page isn't on the UK group, but merely linked to from it, the rules of the group can kiss my furry white ass when it comes to what I post on my own site. It said in the page with the link it contained some spoilers if you went to it, so anyone who can't figure that out is a moron. Thanks anyways. -- Mathew Homepage - http://mathew.fcpages.com/ Angel web site - http://angel.fcpages.com/

2003-03-03 13:57:12-05:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated. - ("Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net>)


On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:50:52 -0000, "Sieue" wrote: > Mathew R. Ignash wrote: > > On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:23:00 -0000, "Sieue" wrote: > > > >> Mathew R. Ignash wrote: > >>> On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:19:03 +0100, "Wouter Valentijn" wrote: > >>>> I think you are correct about Spike messing up by those 7 years. > >>>> Must have been because of that flower person he ate once;). > >>>> > >>>> BTW, keep up the good work. > >>> > >>> Thank you Wouter! > >>> > >>> Of course he was a poet, and a bad one at that, not a mathematics > >>> major. > >> > >> Please go away and keep out of our groups. > > > > Wasn't aware you owned groups. I'm impressed. > > > > Okay, so what part of mentioning Spike's siring is a spoiler to the > > UK now? Or are you just being bitchy for fun? > > Why did you do that? I set follow ups for UMTB only so all these other nice > people don't have to read your reply to me, and waste their time. You seem > to have replied to me and x-posted. > > And bitchy for fun? No. I'm not you. > > Please go away now. Please only reply to me in UMTB, if you feel as though > you have to reply. Please stop cross posting. Um... no. This post in no way violates any rules of the groups it's in. You don't control how I post, and if I'm not violating a rule. You crossposted the your post, so I'm crossposting the reply to the same groups. Wouldn't want people to see half the thread would I? You still havn't answered the question - why am I asked to leave for mentioning Spike's siring events from season 4 and 5? Got an answer -- Mathew Homepage - http://mathew.fcpages.com/ Angel web site - http://angel.fcpages.com/

2003-03-03 14:10:51-05:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated. - ("Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net>)


On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 19:07:57 GMT, Rick S wrote: > "Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote in > news:919272117726277.NC-1.55.mathewignash@news.mi.comcast.giganews.com: > > > On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 16:54:32 GMT, Rick S wrote: > > > >> "Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote in > >> news:9191121021095238.NC-1.55.mathewignash@news.mi.comcast.giganews.c > >> om: > >> > >> > > >> > I just spent some time updating my timeline of events that > >> > happened before the pilot of Buffy The Vampire Slayer, so I > >> > figured I'd post it. If anyone has any additional items to add, > >> > I'd appreciate mentioning them. > >> > >> I just looked at the Tara pictures that you posted on your site. The > >> info in that last picture isn't in your timelime. > >> > >> http://angelseries.freeyellow.com/taragrabs.html > > > > Tara's birth date? It's in there isn't is? (looking) Oh crap! I can't > > believe I left that out. > > The death date is missing as well. The timeline is for events up to the first episode of the show. Tara dies after she show is started, so it's not on there. Otherwise the timeline would be HUGE. -- Mathew Homepage - http://mathew.fcpages.com/ Angel web site - http://angel.fcpages.com/

2003-03-03 14:30:41-05:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated. - ("Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net>)


On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 19:29:45 GMT, Rick S wrote: > >> >> I just looked at the Tara pictures that you posted on your site. > >> >> The info in that last picture isn't in your timelime. > >> >> > >> >> http://angelseries.freeyellow.com/taragrabs.html > >> > > >> > Tara's birth date? It's in there isn't is? (looking) Oh crap! I > >> > can't believe I left that out. > >> > >> The death date is missing as well. > > > > The timeline is for events up to the first episode of the show. Tara > > dies after she show is started, so it's not on there. Otherwise the > > timeline would be HUGE. > > Ok, gotcha. Still, that would be a great thing to see. I may be insane, but no freakin way I'm making that up! That's not a timeline, that's a series of novels. -- Mathew Homepage - http://mathew.fcpages.com/ Angel web site - http://angel.fcpages.com/

2003-03-03 15:24:53+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated (FUCKWITS POSTING MASSIVE S7 SPOILERS AGAIN) - (PJ Browning <antarian@pacbell.net>)


In article <b3vbjj$1podt9$5@ID-93395.news.dfncis.de>, David Chapman <evildeath@madasafish.com> wrote: > The Department of Pre-Crime reports that Mathew R. Ignash will say: > > On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 02:00:27 GMT, Rick S wrote: > > > >> "Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote in > >> news:9191121021095238.NC-1.55.mathewignash@news.mi.comcast.giganews.com: > >> > >>> > >>> I just spent some time updating my timeline of events that happened > >>> before the pilot of Buffy The Vampire Slayer, so I figured I'd post > >>> it. If anyone has any additional items to add, I'd appreciate > >>> mentioning them. > > *Please*, will you guys stop posting unprotected spoilers outside ATBVS? if you had bothered reading all the message you would have seen the note about spoilers before the beginning of the timeline > > Re: the timeline - why do you refer to "Angel" as "Angelus" for events in > the period 1898-1996? what diff does it make. he's the same person. how about this solution.-- no one from the US will post in any group but ATBVS. Folks from outside the US can come to us if they want current info.

2003-03-03 15:26:28+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (PJ Browning <antarian@pacbell.net>)


In article <b3vha3$1q3eu7$1@ID-90381.news.dfncis.de>, Andrew Cameron <usenet@tags2k.co.uk> wrote: > "Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:919242026722245.NC-1.55.mathewignash@news.mi.comcast.giganews.com... > > On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:44:35 -0000, "Dr Zoidberg" wrote: > > > Look fuckwit , different groups have different policies regarding > spoilers. > > > In the UK group we use spoiler space and warnings in the post headers so > if > > > you want to crosspost here then abide by our conventions. > > > I'm sure that other non US groups feel the same. > > > > ...and calling someone "fucktwit" is always the best policy for getting > them to > > do what you want. > > You're a fuckwit, a tosser, an arsehole... and your a mature adult. There was nothing in the top of the message that was a spoiler. Matthew did include a spoiler warning. If you are too stupid to understand that a timeline might have spoilers, that is your problem.

2003-03-03 15:35:38+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (Andrew Cameron <usenet@tags2k.co.uk>)


"PJ Browning" <antarian@pacbell.net> wrote in message news:030320030727076729%antarian@pacbell.net... > In article <b3vha3$1q3eu7$1@ID-90381.news.dfncis.de>, Andrew Cameron > <usenet@tags2k.co.uk> wrote: > > > "Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote in message > > news:919242026722245.NC-1.55.mathewignash@news.mi.comcast.giganews.com... > > > On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:44:35 -0000, "Dr Zoidberg" wrote: > > > > Look fuckwit , different groups have different policies regarding > > spoilers. > > > > In the UK group we use spoiler space and warnings in the post headers so > > if > > > > you want to crosspost here then abide by our conventions. > > > > I'm sure that other non US groups feel the same. > > > > > > ...and calling someone "fucktwit" is always the best policy for getting > > them to > > > do what you want. > > > > You're a fuckwit, a tosser, an arsehole... > > and your a mature adult. Yes, and you're incapable of using English in any proper form. > There was nothing in the top of the message that was a spoiler. Matthew > did include a spoiler warning. He did. He then replied, adding crossposts that had been sensibly removed, to a post with unprotected spoilers. Not only does this go against the charter, but adding the other Buffy groups causes this thread to be joined by idiots like you who don't realise that we're talking about uk.media.tv.buffy-v-slayer, a UK group where most of the posters haven't seen the most recent episodes. So don't jump in when you don't know what's going on. > If you are too stupid to understand that a timeline might have > spoilers, that is your problem. If you're too stupid to read a thread in context, that would be your problem. Secondary to the bed-wetting, I understand. Andrew Cameron

2003-03-03 15:48:07-05:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - ("Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net>)


On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 21:06:41 +0100, Saskia wrote: > John L wrote: > > > Can we cool it please? > > > > Matthew R Ignash has emailed me to say he will refrain > > from posting to uk.media.tv-buffy-v-slayer, so let us > > give him a chance by letting this thread of cross-posted > > insults die. > > <Raises hand> Alt.buffy.europe too please! Oh come on, that group has been DEAD lately. Like 10 posts a day! People in Europe can read the timeline too. Or do you have a secret handshake and spoiler decoder ring too? -- Mathew Homepage - http://mathew.fcpages.com/ Angel web site - http://angel.fcpages.com/

2003-03-03 15:48:14+01:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (Peter Mogensen <apm-at-mutex-dot-dk@nospam.not>)


Mathew R. Ignash wrote: > On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:44:35 -0000, "Dr Zoidberg" wrote: > >>Look fuckwit , different groups have different policies regarding spoilers. >>In the UK group we use spoiler space and warnings in the post headers so if >>you want to crosspost here then abide by our conventions. >>I'm sure that other non US groups feel the same. > > > ...and calling someone "fucktwit" is always the best policy for getting them to > do what you want. yeah... look, spoiler-space/tags are important and it's good that we keep reminding each other to use them. When that's said, people should expect that a post titled "timeline updated" would include spoilers for anyone not up to the latest episode. I haven't read the timeline for the same reason since I'm not up-to-date with Angel. So, I good reason for poiting out the missing spoiler space, but NO reason for calling names. Peter

2003-03-03 15:50:29+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (David Chapman <evildeath@madasafish.com>)


The Department of Pre-Crime reports that Wouter Valentijn will say: >> Please, show me just where in this post a warning is given: > At the top > > <Quote>: > > I just spent some time updating my timeline of events that happened > before the > pilot of Buffy The Vampire Slayer, so I figured I'd post it. If > anyone has any > additional items to add, I'd appreciate mentioning them. > > Note: Anyone who isn't up to date on the most recent episodes of all > series, this timeline may contain spoilers. > > <End Quote> Er, no. That last para wasn't in Rick S's post, and it wasn't in Ignash's either. -- The perfect drug. Euphoric, narcotic, pleasantly hallucinant. All the advantages of Christianity and alcohol; none of their defects.

2003-03-03 15:54:08-05:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - ("Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net>)


On 3 Mar 2003 12:05:07 -0800, wallyrosenberg@hotmail.com (Wally Rosenberg) wrote: > > ...and calling someone "fucktwit" is always the best policy for getting them to > > do what you want. > > Don't bother arguing with them. The UK buffy NG is simply a kind of > weird game, mostly involving arguments about their little charter. > Instead of having a moderated NG or forum, which would make more > sense, they have an unmoderated one that anyone can post to, then they > attack such newbies if they break the rules, as unpleasantly as > possible, feeling entirely free of any need to be polite, because they > all reinforce each other's self-righteousness. Yes, but I'm not easily bruised. It's amazing how many times I can post NOT saying a single thing wrong and they still complain because one post I made a while back was in violation of their rules. I really despise bullies and people who use profanity. -- Mathew Homepage - http://mathew.fcpages.com/ Angel web site - http://angel.fcpages.com/

2003-03-03 15:56:16+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (Dr Zoidberg <AlexNOOOOOO!!!!!@Drzoidberg.co.uk>)


Mathew R. Ignash wrote: > On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:35:38 -0000, "Andrew Cameron" wrote: >> to a post with unprotected spoilers. Not only does this go against >> the charter, but adding the other Buffy groups causes this thread to >> be joined > > Just a point of interest: What's a charter in this context and where > does one get it? http://www.usenet.org.uk/uk.media.tv.buffy-v-slayer.html -- Alex "We are now up against live, hostile targets" "So, if Little Red Riding Hood should show up with a bazooka and a bad attitude, I expect you to chin the bitch! " www.drzoidberg.co.uk

2003-03-03 15:57:52+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (Christopher G Brannigan <chris@cgbrannigan.freeserve.co.uk>)


"Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote in message news:919264120255267.NC-1.55.mathewignash@news.mi.comcast.giganews.com... > On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:35:38 -0000, "Andrew Cameron" wrote: > > to a post with unprotected spoilers. Not only does this go against the > > charter, but adding the other Buffy groups causes this thread to be joined > > Just a point of interest: What's a charter in this context and where does one > get it? > the uk. hierarchy of newsgroups require a charted of rules and regulations to be issued before the group is created (you can't just create random groups, theres a process to it) and if posting to a uk.* group then their rules dictate that you read that groups faq and charted first. these are posted regularly and can be found on deja.com or google's news serch service. In fact the latest copy is here: http://tinyurl.com/6rlm and was posted just over a week ago. -- "Bubbly and sweet with a hunger for fun and a smile that lights up the room" - My Dawn - My Dvd Collection - http://www.dvdprofiler.com/mycollection.asp?alias=cgbrannigan My TV Caps - http://mediasite.de/chrisb -

2003-03-03 16:03:36+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated (FUCKWITS POSTING MASSIVE S7 SPOILERS AGAIN) - (Christopher G Brannigan <chris@cgbrannigan.freeserve.co.uk>)


"PJ Browning" <antarian@pacbell.net> wrote in message news:030320030725321011%antarian@pacbell.net... > In article <b3vbjj$1podt9$5@ID-93395.news.dfncis.de>, David Chapman > <evildeath@madasafish.com> wrote: > > > The Department of Pre-Crime reports that Mathew R. Ignash will say: > > > On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 02:00:27 GMT, Rick S wrote: > > > > > >> "Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote in > > >> news:9191121021095238.NC-1.55.mathewignash@news.mi.comcast.giganews.com: > > >> > > >>> > > >>> I just spent some time updating my timeline of events that happened > > >>> before the pilot of Buffy The Vampire Slayer, so I figured I'd post > > >>> it. If anyone has any additional items to add, I'd appreciate > > >>> mentioning them. > > > > *Please*, will you guys stop posting unprotected spoilers outside ATBVS? > > if you had bothered reading all the message you would have seen the > note about spoilers before the beginning of the timeline > > > > Re: the timeline - why do you refer to "Angel" as "Angelus" for events in > > the period 1898-1996? > > what diff does it make. he's the same person. > > how about this solution.-- no one from the US will post in any group > but ATBVS. Folks from outside the US can come to us if they want > current info. acctually by the time we normally start the discussions in here it's normally about 36 hours before we'd be allowed to use atb anyway....we just know the rules and use spoiler space...

2003-03-03 16:29:32+01:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (Wouter Valentijn <Wouter.ValentijnNOT@12move.nl>)


"David Chapman" <evildeath@madasafish.com> schreef in bericht news:b3vfur$1q260p$3@ID-93395.news.dfncis.de... > The Department of Pre-Crime reports that Mathew R. Ignash will say: > > On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:39:18 -0000, "David Chapman" wrote: > > > >> The Department of Pre-Crime reports that Mathew R. Ignash will say: > >>> On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 02:00:27 GMT, Rick S wrote: > >>> > >>>> "Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote in > >>>> > news:9191121021095238.NC-1.55.mathewignash@news.mi.comcast.giganews.com: > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I just spent some time updating my timeline of events that > >>>>> happened before the pilot of Buffy The Vampire Slayer, so I > >>>>> figured I'd post > >>>>> it. If anyone has any additional items to add, I'd appreciate > >>>>> mentioning them. > >> > >> *Please*, will you guys stop posting unprotected spoilers outside > >> ATBVS? > > > > The top of the thread says it has spoilers for those who arn't up to > > the latest episode. Stop reading the post there if you arn't up to > > the latest ep and don't want spoilers. > > Please, show me just where in this post a warning is given: > At the top <Quote>: I just spent some time updating my timeline of events that happened before the pilot of Buffy The Vampire Slayer, so I figured I'd post it. If anyone has any additional items to add, I'd appreciate mentioning them. Note: Anyone who isn't up to date on the most recent episodes of all series, this timeline may contain spoilers. <End Quote> > -- Wouter Valentijn www.ZeppoDunsel.nl Delete NOT in e-mail address

2003-03-03 16:32:59+01:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated. - (Wouter Valentijn <Wouter.ValentijnNOT@12move.nl>)


"Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net> schreef in bericht news:9191121021095238.NC-1.55.mathewignash@news.mi.comcast.giganews.com... > > I just spent some time updating my timeline of events that happened before the > pilot of Buffy The Vampire Slayer, so I figured I'd post it. If anyone has any > additional items to add, I'd appreciate mentioning them. > > Note: Anyone who isn't up to date on the most recent episodes of all series, > this timeline may contain spoilers. Also, I have included events from the Buffy > and Angel comic book, but marked events from the comics as such, so you can > ignore them on read them as you wish. Many years are approximate, for instance > if someone said something happened about 500 years ago, and said it in 1997, > then the event is listed in 1497. > > Buffy Timeline > <snip> > 1873 - William is born or becomes a vampire. (The Initiative 4.07) > 1880 - William is rejected by Cecily in London as Angelus, Darla and Drusilla > visit the country. Drusilla says she's all alone, so she picks the > failing poet and sires him. As Spike he goes on a rampage in London > and forces Angelus's gang to flee to Yorkshire. Spike learns of the > Slayer. (Fool For Love 5.07 & Darla 2.07) This part remains confusing. I think both could merge into one date. <snip> > > -- > Mathew > Homepage - http://mathew.fcpages.com/ > Angel web site - http://angel.fcpages.com/ > -- Wouter Valentijn www.ZeppoDunsel.nl Delete NOT in e-mail address

2003-03-03 16:50:00+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (David Chapman <evildeath@madasafish.com>)


The Department of Pre-Crime reports that Wouter Valentijn will say: > "David Chapman" <evildeath@madasafish.com> schreef in bericht > news:b3vtls$1q425c$1@ID-93395.news.dfncis.de... >> The Department of Pre-Crime reports that Wouter Valentijn will say: >> >>>> Please, show me just where in this post a warning is given: >> >>> At the top >>> >>> <Quote>: >>> >>> I just spent some time updating my timeline of events that happened >>> before the >>> pilot of Buffy The Vampire Slayer, so I figured I'd post it. If >>> anyone has any >>> additional items to add, I'd appreciate mentioning them. >>> >>> Note: Anyone who isn't up to date on the most recent episodes of all >>> series, this timeline may contain spoilers. >>> >>> <End Quote> >> >> Er, no. That last para wasn't in Rick S's post, and it wasn't in >> Ignash's either. > > Err, yes, the top post from Ignash (the one that started it all) did > contain those words. Yes, but THE POST WITH THE UNPROTECTED SPOILER IN DID NOT. -- The perfect drug. Euphoric, narcotic, pleasantly hallucinant. All the advantages of Christianity and alcohol; none of their defects.

2003-03-03 16:53:24+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated (MASSIVE S7 SPOILERS AGAIN) - (Shawn Hill <shill@fas.harvard.edu>)


In alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer David Chapman <evildeath@madasafish.com> wrote: : The Department of Pre-Crime reports that Mathew R. Ignash will say: :> On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 02:00:27 GMT, Rick S wrote: :> :>> "Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote in :>> news:9191121021095238.NC-1.55.mathewignash@news.mi.comcast.giganews.com: :>> :>>> :>>> I just spent some time updating my timeline of events that happened :>>> before the pilot of Buffy The Vampire Slayer, so I figured I'd post :>>> it. If anyone has any additional items to add, I'd appreciate :>>> mentioning them. : *Please*, will you guys stop posting unprotected spoilers outside ATBVS? : Re: the timeline - why do you refer to "Angel" as "Angelus" for events in : the period 1898-1996? Don't let 'em get you down, Matthew, the timeline was very intriguing and thorough. shawn

2003-03-03 17:17:39+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated (MASSIVE S7 SPOILERS AGAIN) - (PJ Browning <antarian@pacbell.net>)


In article <919272421004278.NC-1.55.mathewignash@news.mi.comcast.giganews.com>, Mathew R. Ignash <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote: > On 3 Mar 2003 16:53:24 GMT, Shawn Hill wrote: > > > > > Don't let 'em get you down, Matthew, the timeline was very intriguing and > > thorough. > > My god, someone actually liked a post and said something nice, instead of > posting with both cannon blazing? What's the usenet coming to?!?! it can't really be Shawn. It must be EvilPodShawn posting to mess with our brains.

2003-03-03 17:25:10+01:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (Wouter Valentijn <Wouter.ValentijnNOT@12move.nl>)


"David Chapman" <evildeath@madasafish.com> schreef in bericht news:b3vtls$1q425c$1@ID-93395.news.dfncis.de... > The Department of Pre-Crime reports that Wouter Valentijn will say: > > >> Please, show me just where in this post a warning is given: > > > At the top > > > > <Quote>: > > > > I just spent some time updating my timeline of events that happened > > before the > > pilot of Buffy The Vampire Slayer, so I figured I'd post it. If > > anyone has any > > additional items to add, I'd appreciate mentioning them. > > > > Note: Anyone who isn't up to date on the most recent episodes of all > > series, this timeline may contain spoilers. > > > > <End Quote> > > Er, no. That last para wasn't in Rick S's post, and it wasn't in Ignash's > either. Err, yes, the top post from Ignash (the one that started it all) did contain those words. I saw them and copied and pasted them. Maybe you didn't get all posts. > > -- > The perfect drug. Euphoric, narcotic, pleasantly hallucinant. > All the advantages of Christianity and alcohol; none of their defects. > > -- Wouter Valentijn www.ZeppoDunsel.nl Delete NOT in e-mail address

2003-03-03 17:28:50+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (Tafka <tafkaNOSPAM@nospam-spamfree.boltfree.net>)


I want names, I want places, I want dates. "Wouter Valentijn" <Wouter.ValentijnNOT@12move.nl>. alt.buffy.europe. Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:25:10 +0100: > >"David Chapman" <evildeath@madasafish.com> schreef in bericht >news:b3vtls$1q425c$1@ID-93395.news.dfncis.de... >> The Department of Pre-Crime reports that Wouter Valentijn will say: >> >> >> Please, show me just where in this post a warning is given: >> >> > At the top >> > >> > <Quote>: >> > >> > I just spent some time updating my timeline of events that happened >> > before the >> > pilot of Buffy The Vampire Slayer, so I figured I'd post it. If >> > anyone has any >> > additional items to add, I'd appreciate mentioning them. >> > >> > Note: Anyone who isn't up to date on the most recent episodes of all >> > series, this timeline may contain spoilers. >> > >> > <End Quote> >> >> Er, no. That last para wasn't in Rick S's post, and it wasn't in Ignash's >> either. > >Err, yes, the top post from Ignash (the one that started it all) did contain >those words. >I saw them and copied and pasted them. >Maybe you didn't get all posts. The *original* post about the timeline? yes. The *reply* from Ingash's post? no. The paragraph WITH THE SPOILER WARNING has been cut out and spoilers for anyone who hasn't seen 7x14 (if I'm right with my guess at the episode numbers) - so that's most people everywhere outside of atbvs - are right in view of any "preview" window which Agent, OE etc all default to. -Tafka- Ahhhh, my head. I think I'm sobering up. It's horrible. Ah... God... I wish I was dead.

2003-03-03 18:07:42-06:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <030320030727076729%antarian@pacbell.net>, PJ Browning <antarian@pacbell.net> wrote: > In article <b3vha3$1q3eu7$1@ID-90381.news.dfncis.de>, Andrew Cameron > <usenet@tags2k.co.uk> wrote: > > > "Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote in message > > news:919242026722245.NC-1.55.mathewignash@news.mi.comcast.giganews.com.. > > . > > > On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:44:35 -0000, "Dr Zoidberg" wrote: > > > > Look fuckwit , different groups have different policies regarding spoilers. > > > > In the UK group we use spoiler space and warnings in the post > > > > headers so if you want to crosspost here then abide by our conventions. > > > > I'm sure that other non US groups feel the same. > > > > > > ...and calling someone "fucktwit" is always the best policy for > > > getting them to do what you want. > > > > You're a fuckwit, a tosser, an arsehole... > > and your a mature adult. > > There was nothing in the top of the message that was a spoiler. Matthew > did include a spoiler warning. > > If you are too stupid to understand that a timeline might have > spoilers, that is your problem. We should start posting spoiler for everything there. By the time they killfile all of us, it'll be too late. hehe ;-)

2003-03-03 18:12:54-06:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <bpN8a.6$sd.4296@news.randori.com>, "Christopher G Brannigan" <chris@cgbrannigan.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > and in case you can't be arsed clicking the link and reading it...here's > the major point you've vialated > > if you note the Charter it says to put spoiler warning IN THE HEADER the > faq furthers this by requesting 30 lines of spoiler space for anything not > yet aired on the BBC (which is currently at 6x15) and further warnings in > both the header and before the spoiler space for anything not yet aired on SKY > (which is at 7x07 right now) > > Also any adverts should have AD or ADVERT in the subject line and the > post be under 10 lines. > Your post advertising your caps site is 17 lines including signature and > also did not contain the require Advert in the header and did not warn > about spoilers in the link (spoilers at bottom of post under spoiler space) > > With the exception of your post for your TV Caps and your post with the > timeline you also breeched the first sentence in the FAQ section B3 which > states "don't be an idiot" > see, simple enough.....changed the wording of a couple of sentences and > it's all sorted and no one would moan at you for it...but as you could take > the short amount of time to look up our FAQ before essentially Spamming your > site here then you breeched the charter several times with this post, > your timeline post and many subsequent posts and for thing you will no doubt > be reported to your ISP and possibly have your website, your usenet access > and possibly your internet account revoked. Now I'm not going to report you > but I'm sure someone else will. Do they not have killfiles in England? Just wondering...

2003-03-03 18:17:04+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (Gunnar Harboe <gh248@cam.ac.uk>)


On 03 Mar 2003 12:19:55 -0500, "Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote: >On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:18:19 +0100, Saskia wrote: >> > Just a point of interest: What's a charter in this context and where does one >> > get it? >> >> If you don't know the answer to this question you shouldn't post to these >> groups. > >Well, NO, because I never heard of it before, so I wouldn't know to stay out of >the group because it says to in the characterm which I didn't know exists. Use >some logic. If you don't know what a charter is, you shouldn't be posting to Usenet AT ALL. Every Usenet FAQ will tell you to learn the basics of newsgroups before posting to one, and to LEARN THE RULES of the groups you post to. For your benefit: A charter is basically the Constitution of a newsgoup. It establishes the fundamental rules of the group: what it is about and how people should post to it.

2003-03-03 18:17:10-06:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <919295427802303.NC-1.55.mathewignash@news.mi.comcast.giganews.com>, "Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote: > On 3 Mar 2003 12:05:07 -0800, wallyrosenberg@hotmail.com (Wally > Rosenberg) > wrote: > > > ...and calling someone "fucktwit" is always the best policy for > > > getting them to > > > do what you want. > > > > Don't bother arguing with them. The UK buffy NG is simply a kind of > > weird game, mostly involving arguments about their little charter. > > Instead of having a moderated NG or forum, which would make more > > sense, they have an unmoderated one that anyone can post to, then they > > attack such newbies if they break the rules, as unpleasantly as > > possible, feeling entirely free of any need to be polite, because they > > all reinforce each other's self-righteousness. > > Yes, but I'm not easily bruised. It's amazing how many times I can post > NOT saying a single thing wrong and they still complain because one post I > made a while back was in violation of their rules. > > I really despise bullies and people who use profanity. Fuckin'-A!! ;-)

2003-03-03 18:18:19+01:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (Saskia <saskianospam@nksf.nl>)


Mathew R. Ignash wrote: > On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:35:38 -0000, "Andrew Cameron" wrote: >> to a post with unprotected spoilers. Not only does this go against the >> charter, but adding the other Buffy groups causes this thread to be joined > > Just a point of interest: What's a charter in this context and where does one > get it? If you don't know the answer to this question you shouldn't post to these groups. There is really really no need for x-posts. If we want to see discussions on recent (= US) eps, we'll come to atbvs. So please stop doing this. It's not the first time that x-posted thread like these (also from you) ended up with major spoilers for BBC- and other viewers. Thank you for respecting everyone's wish and *choice* to stay spoiler free. -- Saskia (writing to you from alt.buffy.europe) "Grovelling isn't just a way of life for you, it's an art."

2003-03-03 18:19:03+01:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated. - (Wouter Valentijn <Wouter.ValentijnNOT@12move.nl>)


"Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net> schreef in bericht news:91926393225266.NC-1.55.mathewignash@news.mi.comcast.giganews.com... > On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 16:32:59 +0100, "Wouter Valentijn" wrote: > > > 1873 - William is born or becomes a vampire. (The Initiative 4.07) > > > 1880 - William is rejected by Cecily in London as Angelus, Darla and > > Drusilla > > > visit the country. Drusilla says she's all alone, so she picks the > > > failing poet and sires him. As Spike he goes on a rampage in London > > > and forces Angelus's gang to flee to Yorkshire. Spike learns of the > > > Slayer. (Fool For Love 5.07 & Darla 2.07) > > > > > > This part remains confusing. I think both could merge into one date. > > It is confusing because the information given in the episodes contradicts each > other. Spike said his age in The Initiative which places his birth (or possibly > siring) in 1873, and we saw a flashback to his siring in in 1880 in FFL and in > Darla. If one believes his age given in The Initiative, he would have been 7 > years old when sired as a vamp! Not bloody likely. > > I placed them both in there for the sake of completeness, but I noted the ep > referencing it in each case. Believe which you will. Most likely is that Spike > just messed up his age. I'd believe age based on a flashback over what someone > said when they were depressed and crying about how they arn't that old > personally. I think you are correct about Spike messing up by those 7 years. Must have been because of that flower person he ate once;). BTW, keep up the good work. > > -- > Mathew > Homepage - http://mathew.fcpages.com/ > Angel web site - http://angel.fcpages.com/ -- Wouter Valentijn www.ZeppoDunsel.nl Delete NOT in e-mail address >

2003-03-03 18:21:12+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (Andrew Cameron <usenet@tags2k.co.uk>)


"Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote in message news:919275530762281.NC-1.55.mathewignash@news.mi.comcast.giganews.com... > On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:32:31 +0100, Saskia wrote: > > > Mathew R. Ignash wrote: > > > On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:18:19 +0100, Saskia wrote: > > >>> Just a point of interest: What's a charter in this context and where does one > > >>> get it? > > >> > > >> If you don't know the answer to this question you shouldn't post to these > > >> groups. > > > > > > Well, NO, because I never heard of it before, so I wouldn't know to stay out of > > > the group because it says to in the characterm which I didn't know exists. Use > > > some logic. > > > > <very deep sigh> > > > > I give up and will just my killfile from now on :( > > Out smarted you huh? > > > > Also... because it's fun... have I mentioned?... > > > > > > Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! > > > Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! > > > Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! > > > Wood! > > > > Troll. > > So, mentioning the name Wood is now a spoiler in UK groups? Oh wait, you posted > a post with the word Wood without 50 spaces in front of it! You're a Spoiler in > the UK group too! I'll see you in the WOODshed. You outsmart nobody - you piss them off. You are now trolling. STFU, HTH, HAND. Andrew Cameron

2003-03-03 18:21:51-06:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated. - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <b4086i$1qchbs$1@ID-90381.news.dfncis.de>, "Sieue" <sieue@hotmail.com> wrote: > Mathew R. Ignash wrote: > > On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:23:00 -0000, "Sieue" wrote: > > > >> Mathew R. Ignash wrote: > >>> On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:19:03 +0100, "Wouter Valentijn" wrote: > >>>> I think you are correct about Spike messing up by those 7 years. > >>>> Must have been because of that flower person he ate once;). > >>>> > >>>> BTW, keep up the good work. > >>> > >>> Thank you Wouter! > >>> > >>> Of course he was a poet, and a bad one at that, not a mathematics > >>> major. > >> > >> Please go away and keep out of our groups. > > > > Wasn't aware you owned groups. I'm impressed. > > > > Okay, so what part of mentioning Spike's siring is a spoiler to the > > UK now? Or are you just being bitchy for fun? > > Why did you do that? I set follow ups for UMTB only so all these other > nice people don't have to read your reply to me, and waste their time. You > seem to have replied to me and x-posted. I wanted to read his reply to you. I'll decide for myself what is and is not a waste of my time, thanks. Good job Matt, in resetting the paramters.

2003-03-03 18:23:00+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated. - (Sieue <sieue@hotmail.com>)


Mathew R. Ignash wrote: > On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:19:03 +0100, "Wouter Valentijn" wrote: >> I think you are correct about Spike messing up by those 7 years. >> Must have been because of that flower person he ate once;). >> >> BTW, keep up the good work. > > Thank you Wouter! > > Of course he was a poet, and a bad one at that, not a mathematics > major. Please go away and keep out of our groups. Follow ups set. -- Sieue

2003-03-03 18:26:17+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (Gunnar Harboe <gh248@cam.ac.uk>)


On 03 Mar 2003 13:17:53 -0500, "Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote: >On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 18:17:04 +0000, Gunnar Harboe wrote: > >> On 03 Mar 2003 12:19:55 -0500, "Mathew R. Ignash" >> <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote: >> >> >On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:18:19 +0100, Saskia wrote: >> >> > Just a point of interest: What's a charter in this context and where does one >> >> > get it? >> >> >> >> If you don't know the answer to this question you shouldn't post to these >> >> groups. >> > >> >Well, NO, because I never heard of it before, so I wouldn't know to stay out of >> >the group because it says to in the characterm which I didn't know exists. Use >> >some logic. >> >> If you don't know what a charter is, you shouldn't be posting to Usenet >> AT ALL. Every Usenet FAQ will tell you to learn the basics of newsgroups >> before posting to one, and to LEARN THE RULES of the groups you post to. >> >> For your benefit: A charter is basically the Constitution of a newsgoup. >> It establishes the fundamental rules of the group: what it is about and >> how people should post to it. > >Been posting for 6 years now. I have posted about 6000 unique posts to the >usenet according to my software. Never see a "charter" posted. I've seen a group >FAQ. When was the last time a "charter" was posted to this group? uk.media.tv.buffy-v-slayer? Last Wednesday. Since you haven't seen the UMTB charter, you obviously haven't read the UMTB FAQ even though you're crossposting there. If you've posted 6000 unique posts, you can hardly claim you don't know *that's* a bad idea.

2003-03-03 18:32:31+01:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (Saskia <saskianospam@nksf.nl>)


Mathew R. Ignash wrote: > On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:18:19 +0100, Saskia wrote: >>> Just a point of interest: What's a charter in this context and where does one >>> get it? >> >> If you don't know the answer to this question you shouldn't post to these >> groups. > > Well, NO, because I never heard of it before, so I wouldn't know to stay out of > the group because it says to in the characterm which I didn't know exists. Use > some logic. <very deep sigh> I give up and will just my killfile from now on :( > Also... because it's fun... have I mentioned?... > > Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! > Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! > Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! Wood! > Wood! Troll. -- Saskia "What do you think I am, superficial? I mean, youοΏ½re half demon. That is so far down the list. Way under short, and poor."

2003-03-03 18:43:27+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (Christopher G Brannigan <chris@cgbrannigan.freeserve.co.uk>)


"Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote in message news:919279714686287.NC-1.55.mathewignash@news.mi.comcast.giganews.com... > On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 18:17:04 +0000, Gunnar Harboe wrote: > > > On 03 Mar 2003 12:19:55 -0500, "Mathew R. Ignash" > > <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > >On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:18:19 +0100, Saskia wrote: > > >> > Just a point of interest: What's a charter in this context and where does one > > >> > get it? > > >> > > >> If you don't know the answer to this question you shouldn't post to these > > >> groups. > > > > > >Well, NO, because I never heard of it before, so I wouldn't know to stay out of > > >the group because it says to in the characterm which I didn't know exists. Use > > >some logic. > > > > If you don't know what a charter is, you shouldn't be posting to Usenet > > AT ALL. Every Usenet FAQ will tell you to learn the basics of newsgroups > > before posting to one, and to LEARN THE RULES of the groups you post to. > > > > For your benefit: A charter is basically the Constitution of a newsgoup. > > It establishes the fundamental rules of the group: what it is about and > > how people should post to it. > > Been posting for 6 years now. I have posted about 6000 unique posts to the > usenet according to my software. Never see a "charter" posted. I've seen a group > FAQ. When was the last time a "charter" was posted to this group? > if you bothered you arse looking at posts you'd see it was posted 8 days ago as the first section of this groups FAW it can be found easily with a search on google groups which took me a whole 25 seconds to find. since I'm sure you can't be itelegent enough to find it yourself heres a link http://tinyurl.com/6rlm and in case you can't be arsed clicking the link and reading it...here's the major point you've vialated if you note the Charter it says to put spoiler warning IN THE HEADER the faq furthers this by requesting 30 lines of spoiler space for anything not yet aired on the BBC (which is currently at 6x15) and further warnings in both the header and before the spoiler space for anything not yet aired on SKY (which is at 7x07 right now) Also any adverts should have AD or ADVERT in the subject line and the post be under 10 lines. Your post advertising your caps site is 17 lines including signature and also did not contain the require Advert in the header and did not warn about spoilers in the link (spoilers at bottom of post under spoiler space) With the exception of your post for your TV Caps and your post with the timeline you also breeched the first sentence in the FAQ section B3 which states "don't be an idiot" your post for your the TV Caps page should have looked like this: >Subject: ADVERT: My Tara Caps - Spoilers for 6x15 and beyond > >Message Body: > >Just to let you know I did something a little new this weekend. I made a screen >grabs page devoted to the character of Tara! > >http://angelseries.freeyellow.com/taragrabs.html > >The Tara grabs are just a every screen grab I have which features the lovely >Tara Maclay, in order. You never need a reason to celebrate Tara! > >I'll add a warning that the pictures contain spoilers for what happens to Tara >in seasons 6 and 7, specifically anything beyond 6x15, please avoid them if you havn't seen the episode or are a UK BBC >viewer. > >Thanks! see, simple enough.....changed the wording of a couple of sentences and it's all sorted and no one would moan at you for it...but as you could take the short amount of time to look up our FAQ before essentially Spamming your site here then you breeched the charter several times with this post, your timeline post and many subsequent posts and for thing you will no doubt be reported to your ISP and possibly have your website, your usenet access and possibly your internet account revoked. Now I'm not going to report you but I'm sure someone else will. ChrisB SPOILER SPACE for things on TV Caps page 1 2 3 6 5 4 9 8 7 6 1 9 8 4 3 2 1 9 8 4 6 1 6 3 1 7 8 4 6 5 4 6 your caps page shows several MAJOR spoilers for season 6 which has not yet aired on UK terestrial TV.

2003-03-03 18:44:18+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated (MASSIVE S7 SPOILERS AGAIN) - (Shawn Hill <shill@fas.harvard.edu>)


In alt.tv.angel PJ Browning <antarian@pacbell.net> wrote: : <919272421004278.NC-1.55.mathewignash@news.mi.comcast.giganews.com>, : Mathew R. Ignash <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote: :> On 3 Mar 2003 16:53:24 GMT, Shawn Hill wrote: :> :> > :> > Don't let 'em get you down, Matthew, the timeline was very intriguing and :> > thorough. :> :> My god, someone actually liked a post and said something nice, instead of :> posting with both cannon blazing? What's the usenet coming to?!?! : it can't really be Shawn. It must be EvilPodShawn posting to mess with : our brains. On the Angel group, I am Wish!Shawn. shawn

2003-03-03 18:45:30+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (Christopher G Brannigan <chris@cgbrannigan.freeserve.co.uk>)


"Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote in message news:919279714686287.NC-1.55.mathewignash@news.mi.comcast.giganews.com... > On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 18:17:04 +0000, Gunnar Harboe wrote: > > > On 03 Mar 2003 12:19:55 -0500, "Mathew R. Ignash" > > <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > >On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:18:19 +0100, Saskia wrote: > > >> > Just a point of interest: What's a charter in this context and where does one > > >> > get it? > > >> > > >> If you don't know the answer to this question you shouldn't post to these > > >> groups. > > > > > >Well, NO, because I never heard of it before, so I wouldn't know to stay out of > > >the group because it says to in the characterm which I didn't know exists. Use > > >some logic. > > > > If you don't know what a charter is, you shouldn't be posting to Usenet > > AT ALL. Every Usenet FAQ will tell you to learn the basics of newsgroups > > before posting to one, and to LEARN THE RULES of the groups you post to. > > > > For your benefit: A charter is basically the Constitution of a newsgoup. > > It establishes the fundamental rules of the group: what it is about and > > how people should post to it. > > Been posting for 6 years now. I have posted about 6000 unique posts to the > usenet according to my software. Never see a "charter" posted. I've seen a group > FAQ. When was the last time a "charter" was posted to this group? > > -- > Mathew > Homepage - http://mathew.fcpages.com/ > Angel web site - http://angel.fcpages.com/ > if you bothered you arse looking at posts you'd see it was posted 8 days ago as the first section of this groups FAQ it can be found easily with a search on google groups which took me a whole 25 seconds to find. since I'm sure you can't be itelegent enough to find it yourself heres a link http://tinyurl.com/6rlm and in case you can't be arsed clicking the link and reading it...here's the major point you've vialated if you note the Charter it says to put spoiler warning IN THE HEADER the faq furthers this by requesting 30 lines of spoiler space for anything not yet aired on the BBC (which is currently at 6x15) and further warnings in both the header and before the spoiler space for anything not yet aired on SKY (which is at 7x07 right now) Also any adverts should have AD or ADVERT in the subject line and the post be under 10 lines. Your post advertising your caps site is 17 lines including signature and also did not contain the require Advert in the header and did not warn about spoilers in the link (spoilers at bottom of post under spoiler space) With the exception of your post for your TV Caps and your post with the timeline you also breeched the first sentence in the FAQ section B3 which states "don't be an idiot" your post for your the TV Caps page should have looked like this: >Subject: ADVERT: My Tara Caps - Spoilers for 6x15 and beyond > >Message Body: > >Just to let you know I did something a little new this weekend. I made a screen >grabs page devoted to the character of Tara! > >http://angelseries.freeyellow.com/taragrabs.html > >The Tara grabs are just a every screen grab I have which features the lovely >Tara Maclay, in order. You never need a reason to celebrate Tara! > >I'll add a warning that the pictures contain spoilers for what happens to Tara >in seasons 6 and 7, specifically anything beyond 6x15, please avoid them if you havn't seen the episode or are a UK BBC >viewer. > >Thanks! see, simple enough.....changed the wording of a couple of sentences and it's all sorted and no one would moan at you for it...but as you could take the short amount of time to look up our FAQ before essentially Spamming your site here then you breeched the charter several times with this post, your timeline post and many subsequent posts and for thing you will no doubt be reported to your ISP and possibly have your website, your usenet access and possibly your internet account revoked. Now I'm not going to report you but I'm sure someone else will. ChrisB SPOILER SPACE for things on TV Caps page 1 2 3 6 5 4 9 8 7 6 1 9 8 4 3 2 1 9 8 4 6 1 6 3 1 7 8 4 6 5 4 6 your caps page shows several MAJOR spoilers for season 6 which has not yet aired on UK terestrial TV. -- "Bubbly and sweet with a hunger for fun and a smile that lights up the room" - My Dawn - My Dvd Collection - http://www.dvdprofiler.com/mycollection.asp?alias=cgbrannigan My TV Caps - http://mediasite.de/chrisb -

2003-03-03 18:50:52+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated. - (Sieue <sieue@hotmail.com>)


Mathew R. Ignash wrote: > On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:23:00 -0000, "Sieue" wrote: > >> Mathew R. Ignash wrote: >>> On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:19:03 +0100, "Wouter Valentijn" wrote: >>>> I think you are correct about Spike messing up by those 7 years. >>>> Must have been because of that flower person he ate once;). >>>> >>>> BTW, keep up the good work. >>> >>> Thank you Wouter! >>> >>> Of course he was a poet, and a bad one at that, not a mathematics >>> major. >> >> Please go away and keep out of our groups. > > Wasn't aware you owned groups. I'm impressed. > > Okay, so what part of mentioning Spike's siring is a spoiler to the > UK now? Or are you just being bitchy for fun? Why did you do that? I set follow ups for UMTB only so all these other nice people don't have to read your reply to me, and waste their time. You seem to have replied to me and x-posted. And bitchy for fun? No. I'm not you. Please go away now. Please only reply to me in UMTB, if you feel as though you have to reply. Please stop cross posting. -- Sieue

2003-03-03 19:07:57+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated. - (Rick S <rick-sam@shaw.ca>)


"Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote in news:919272117726277.NC-1.55.mathewignash@news.mi.comcast.giganews.com: > On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 16:54:32 GMT, Rick S wrote: > >> "Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote in >> news:9191121021095238.NC-1.55.mathewignash@news.mi.comcast.giganews.c >> om: >> >> > >> > I just spent some time updating my timeline of events that >> > happened before the pilot of Buffy The Vampire Slayer, so I >> > figured I'd post it. If anyone has any additional items to add, >> > I'd appreciate mentioning them. >> >> I just looked at the Tara pictures that you posted on your site. The >> info in that last picture isn't in your timelime. >> >> http://angelseries.freeyellow.com/taragrabs.html > > Tara's birth date? It's in there isn't is? (looking) Oh crap! I can't > believe I left that out. The death date is missing as well. -- Rick S. Calgary, Alberta rick-sam@shaw.ca

2003-03-03 19:22:35+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (John L <jl@lammtarra.fslife.co.uk>)


Can we cool it please? Matthew R Ignash has emailed me to say he will refrain from posting to uk.media.tv-buffy-v-slayer, so let us give him a chance by letting this thread of cross-posted insults die. John.

2003-03-03 19:29:45+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated. - (Rick S <rick-sam@shaw.ca>)


"Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote in news:919285031720294.NC-1.55.mathewignash@news.mi.comcast.giganews.com: > On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 19:07:57 GMT, Rick S wrote: > >> "Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote in >> news:919272117726277.NC-1.55.mathewignash@news.mi.comcast.giganews.co >> m: >> >> > On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 16:54:32 GMT, Rick S wrote: >> > >> >> "Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote in >> >> news:9191121021095238.NC-1.55.mathewignash@news.mi.comcast.giganew >> >> s.c om: >> >> >> >> > >> >> > I just spent some time updating my timeline of events that >> >> > happened before the pilot of Buffy The Vampire Slayer, so I >> >> > figured I'd post it. If anyone has any additional items to add, >> >> > I'd appreciate mentioning them. >> >> >> >> I just looked at the Tara pictures that you posted on your site. >> >> The info in that last picture isn't in your timelime. >> >> >> >> http://angelseries.freeyellow.com/taragrabs.html >> > >> > Tara's birth date? It's in there isn't is? (looking) Oh crap! I >> > can't believe I left that out. >> >> The death date is missing as well. > > The timeline is for events up to the first episode of the show. Tara > dies after she show is started, so it's not on there. Otherwise the > timeline would be HUGE. Ok, gotcha. Still, that would be a great thing to see. -- Rick S. Calgary, Alberta rick-sam@shaw.ca

2003-03-03 21:06:41+01:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (Saskia <saskianospam@nksf.nl>)


John L wrote: > Can we cool it please? > > Matthew R Ignash has emailed me to say he will refrain > from posting to uk.media.tv-buffy-v-slayer, so let us > give him a chance by letting this thread of cross-posted > insults die. <Raises hand> Alt.buffy.europe too please! -- Saskia

2003-03-04 00:55:22-06:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <VXU8a.2004819$zx5.309927@news.easynews.com>, "Linda" <linda@DELETESPAMsusieword.com> wrote: > "BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message > news:BTR1702-F3432E.18074203032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com... > > In article <030320030727076729%antarian@pacbell.net>, PJ Browning > > <antarian@pacbell.net> wrote: > > > > > In article <b3vha3$1q3eu7$1@ID-90381.news.dfncis.de>, Andrew Cameron > > > <usenet@tags2k.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > > > "Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote in message > > > > news:919242026722245.NC-1.55.mathewignash@news.mi.comcast.giganews.c > > > > om.. > > > > . > > > > > On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:44:35 -0000, "Dr Zoidberg" wrote: > > > > > > > > Look fuckwit , different groups have different policies > > > > > > regarding spoilers. > > > > > > In the UK group we use spoiler space and warnings in the post > > > > > > headers so if you want to crosspost here then abide by our conventions. > > > > > > I'm sure that other non US groups feel the same. > > > > > > > > > > ...and calling someone "fucktwit" is always the best policy for > > > > > getting them to do what you want. > > > > > > > > You're a fuckwit, a tosser, an arsehole... > > > > > > and your a mature adult. > > > > > > There was nothing in the top of the message that was a spoiler. > > > Matthew > > > did include a spoiler warning. > > > > > > If you are too stupid to understand that a timeline might have > > > spoilers, that is your problem. > > > > We should start posting spoiler for everything there. By the time they > > killfile all of us, it'll be too late. hehe ;-) > > BTR, I respect you and that post just wasn't worthy of you. And yes I see > the wink. Oh for the love of god, it was a joke. It's not like I'm joking about murder or rape. It's just spoilers for a TV show. Hardly a matter of life and death.

2003-03-04 03:10:47+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated (MASSIVE S7 SPOILERS AGAIN) - (Rob Myers <robm@robmyers.removethisspamblocker.net>)


In article <b401a4$qr$1@news.fas.harvard.edu>, Shawn Hill <shill@fas.harvard.edu> wrote: > Don't let 'em get you down, Matthew, the timeline was very intriguing and > thorough. I agree, good job on the timeline. But it's always a good idea to test the waters before posting to a new group. -- rob m at rob myers dot net

2003-03-04 03:20:21+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (Linda <linda@DELETESPAMsusieword.com>)


"BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:BTR1702-F3432E.18074203032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com... > In article <030320030727076729%antarian@pacbell.net>, PJ Browning > <antarian@pacbell.net> wrote: > > > In article <b3vha3$1q3eu7$1@ID-90381.news.dfncis.de>, Andrew Cameron > > <usenet@tags2k.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > "Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote in message > > > news:919242026722245.NC-1.55.mathewignash@news.mi.comcast.giganews.com.. > > > . > > > > On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:44:35 -0000, "Dr Zoidberg" wrote: > > > > > > Look fuckwit , different groups have different policies regarding spoilers. > > > > > In the UK group we use spoiler space and warnings in the post > > > > > headers so if you want to crosspost here then abide by our conventions. > > > > > I'm sure that other non US groups feel the same. > > > > > > > > ...and calling someone "fucktwit" is always the best policy for > > > > getting them to do what you want. > > > > > > You're a fuckwit, a tosser, an arsehole... > > > > and your a mature adult. > > > > There was nothing in the top of the message that was a spoiler. Matthew > > did include a spoiler warning. > > > > If you are too stupid to understand that a timeline might have > > spoilers, that is your problem. > > We should start posting spoiler for everything there. By the time they > killfile all of us, it'll be too late. hehe ;-) BTR, I respect you and that post just wasn't worthy of you. And yes I see the wink. -- Best Regards, Linda Mmmmmm...Angel

2003-03-04 06:32:47-06:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated. - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <1046770740.553317@urchin.earth.li>, Niall Harrison <sax@tirian.magd.ox.ac.uk> wrote: > Previously, on uk.media.tv.buffy-v-slayer - BTR1701 > <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > In article <b4086i$1qchbs$1@ID-90381.news.dfncis.de>, "Sieue" > > <sieue@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Mathew R. Ignash wrote: > >> > On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:23:00 -0000, "Sieue" wrote: > > >> >> Please go away and keep out of our groups. > >> > > >> > Wasn't aware you owned groups. I'm impressed. > >> > > >> > Okay, so what part of mentioning Spike's siring is a spoiler to the > >> > UK now? Or are you just being bitchy for fun? > >> > >> Why did you do that? I set follow ups for UMTB only so all these > >> other nice people don't have to read your reply to me, and waste their time. > >> You seem to have replied to me and x-posted. > > > > I wanted to read his reply to you. I'll decide for myself what is and > > is not a waste of my time, thanks. > > So you could have come to umtb to read it. Talk about a waste of my time. Suddenly I'm supposed to go out of my way and subscribe to a new newsgroup just to read someone's reply? So which is it? Are you guys full of concern about our wasted time or not? > Look, there's a reason cross-posting between groups with different > spoiler policies is generally recognised as a bad idea. Sorry, but when I respond to a post, I respond in the same manner in which it was posted. If I don't there's a good chance that the person I'm responding to might never see my response, in which case, what's the point of responding? That's why I have my newsreader set to ignore that "Follow-up to:" line.

2003-03-04 06:35:31-06:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <b41njb$1qhqii$1@ID-90381.news.dfncis.de>, "Andrew Cameron" <usenet@tags2k.co.uk> wrote: > "BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message > news:BTR1702-F3432E.18074203032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com... > > In article <030320030727076729%antarian@pacbell.net>, PJ Browning > > <antarian@pacbell.net> wrote: > > > > > In article <b3vha3$1q3eu7$1@ID-90381.news.dfncis.de>, Andrew Cameron > > > <usenet@tags2k.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > > > "Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote in message > > > There was nothing in the top of the message that was a spoiler. > > > Matthew did include a spoiler warning. > > > > > > If you are too stupid to understand that a timeline might have > > > spoilers, that is your problem. > > > > We should start posting spoiler for everything there. By the time they > > killfile all of us, it'll be too late. hehe ;-) > > Oh look, another idiot. Hi Mathew's friend! Oh, look, another humorless moron. It was a joke, sparky. Deal with it.

2003-03-04 08:19:56+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (Andrew Cameron <usenet@tags2k.co.uk>)


"BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:BTR1702-F3432E.18074203032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com... > In article <030320030727076729%antarian@pacbell.net>, PJ Browning > <antarian@pacbell.net> wrote: > > > In article <b3vha3$1q3eu7$1@ID-90381.news.dfncis.de>, Andrew Cameron > > <usenet@tags2k.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > "Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote in message > > > news:919242026722245.NC-1.55.mathewignash@news.mi.comcast.giganews.com.. > > > . > > > > On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:44:35 -0000, "Dr Zoidberg" wrote: > > > > > > Look fuckwit , different groups have different policies regarding spoilers. > > > > > In the UK group we use spoiler space and warnings in the post > > > > > headers so if you want to crosspost here then abide by our conventions. > > > > > I'm sure that other non US groups feel the same. > > > > > > > > ...and calling someone "fucktwit" is always the best policy for > > > > getting them to do what you want. > > > > > > You're a fuckwit, a tosser, an arsehole... > > > > and your a mature adult. > > > > There was nothing in the top of the message that was a spoiler. Matthew > > did include a spoiler warning. > > > > If you are too stupid to understand that a timeline might have > > spoilers, that is your problem. > > We should start posting spoiler for everything there. By the time they > killfile all of us, it'll be too late. hehe ;-) Oh look, another idiot. Hi Mathew's friend! Keep out of the UK group, just as we keep out of yours. Your "friend" did something that was against group rules, we called him on it, he protested. Now you come in defending him because you like him? Not on - you can't insult the group just because one of your mates was a twat to us. Andrew Cameron

2003-03-04 08:21:44-08:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (smaug86@yahoo.com)


"Andrew Cameron" <usenet@tags2k.co.uk> wrote in message news:<b3vha3$1q3eu7$1@ID-90381.news.dfncis.de>... > "Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:919242026722245.NC-1.55.mathewignash@news.mi.comcast.giganews.com... > > On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:44:35 -0000, "Dr Zoidberg" wrote: > > > Look fuckwit , different groups have different policies regarding > spoilers. > > > In the UK group we use spoiler space and warnings in the post headers so > if > > > you want to crosspost here then abide by our conventions. > > > I'm sure that other non US groups feel the same. > > > > ...and calling someone "fucktwit" is always the best policy for getting > them to > > do what you want. > > You're a fuckwit, a tosser, an arsehole... there must be one of those words > you understand. STOP FUCKING POSTING YOUR SHIT AND SPOILING UK PEOPLE, > COCKWAD. If the header has the word "Spoilers" in it and you then proceed to read the body of the post and get spoiled then it's your own damn fault. So STFU, little bitch. Smaug69

2003-03-04 09:39:00+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated. - (Niall Harrison <sax@tirian.magd.ox.ac.uk>)


Previously, on uk.media.tv.buffy-v-slayer - BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > In article <b4086i$1qchbs$1@ID-90381.news.dfncis.de>, "Sieue" > <sieue@hotmail.com> wrote: >> Mathew R. Ignash wrote: >> > On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:23:00 -0000, "Sieue" wrote: >> >> Please go away and keep out of our groups. >> > >> > Wasn't aware you owned groups. I'm impressed. >> > >> > Okay, so what part of mentioning Spike's siring is a spoiler to the >> > UK now? Or are you just being bitchy for fun? >> >> Why did you do that? I set follow ups for UMTB only so all these other >> nice people don't have to read your reply to me, and waste their time. You >> seem to have replied to me and x-posted. > > I wanted to read his reply to you. I'll decide for myself what is and is > not a waste of my time, thanks. So you could have come to umtb to read it. Look, there's a reason cross-posting between groups with different spoiler policies is generally recognised as a bad idea. Even if the initial content is completely innocuous, as in this case, there is still the risk of thread drift. You know as well as I do that any thread about Spike in atbvs is extremely likely to mention his current status within about half a dozen posts, and not everyone is going to make sure to trim the headers at the appropriate point. As demonstrated by the fact that the original problem here was a followup to the timeline, not the timeline iself. It *keeps on* happening, which is why people round these parts get so upset about it. Really, the simplest rules are: If in doubt, please don't crosspost. If you *must* crosspost, please set followups to the alt.* group. (Yes, I download. Yes, I'm on US time. Yes, I still think this is an important issue. People don't want to know what happens ahead of time, and I can't blame them.) Followups set. Again. Niall -- When memes collide.

2003-03-04 09:46:37+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (Niall Harrison <sax@tirian.magd.ox.ac.uk>)


Previously, on alt.tv.angel - Wally Rosenberg <wallyrosenberg@hotmail.com> wrote: > I hope no one runs away with the idea that they represent UK buffy > fans in any way. (In fact, like a lot of Usenet Buffy fans, they seem > to hate most episodes made since 1999.) 5-Star Polls so far this season: Episode uk alt Selfless 4.364 4.36 Lessons 4.129 4.03 Help 3.932 3.01 Beneath You 3.804 3.88 STSP 3.721 3.60 After five episodes, that's a mean of 3.99. In the uk groups, we've had polls for S2, S4, S6 and now S7. So far, no other season polled comes close to S7 in terms of ratings. The only season of either show that is comparable is _Angel_ S2. I wouldn't say we hate S7. Not by a long stretch. Niall -- When memes collide.

2003-03-04 10:05:50+11:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (Highlandish <c_kreskay@hotmail.com>)


In news:919281729185290.NC-1.55.mathewignash@news.mi.comcast.giganews.com, Mathew R. Ignash <mathewignash@comcast.net> Retorted: > On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 18:26:17 +0000, Gunnar Harboe wrote: >>> Been posting for 6 years now. I have posted about 6000 unique posts >>> to the usenet according to my software. Never see a "charter" >>> posted. I've seen a group FAQ. When was the last time a "charter" >>> was posted to this group? >> >> uk.media.tv.buffy-v-slayer? >> >> Last Wednesday. >> >> Since you haven't seen the UMTB charter, you obviously haven't read >> the UMTB FAQ even though you're crossposting there. If you've posted >> 6000 unique posts, you can hardly claim you don't know *that's* a >> bad idea. > > I searched my archives of this group in my client for the word > "charter" and all I got were bitchy posts to me, and my stunning > replies. > > What is the SUBJECT of the charter please? When will I see it repost? > Can I request a repost ASAP? Or if it's on a web site, link me! > look fella, your original post was a good effort, but you gotta know that every group you posted to, BARR any American group, was spoiled by the post, we aussies are only up to 7.02/7.03 depending on which state your in, and the 7.10/7.11 references have spoiled me, but at least not so to make me angry. they didn't contain and deaths or anything, only some births of characters revealing a plot to come. all you gotta do is apologise to the world and say you wont do it again, not argue over charters. I realise you must have just sent out the post to all buffy related groups without actually otherwise participating in those groups, but now you know your mistake, be a man and say sorry. otherwise keep up the good work on the buffyverse chronology. just be wary were you send it. and I didn't get your original post because there is a pain in the ass poster named Matthew who posts deliberate spoilers in the subject to piss every one off, and you were blocked by name, I just fixed this, so could you repost it please? to aus.TV.buffy, but with a huge space near the end to mark off the spoilers for eps past 7.02 (eg those birthdates) -- OT: find an extinct URL intact at http://archive.org. my deceased site that I lost the html for was there to be found and resurrected! exact url must be typed only. Remove the _ from my address to email me.

2003-03-04 11:11:37-08:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (smaug86@yahoo.com)


Gunnar Harboe <gh248@cam.ac.uk> wrote in message news:<kh676vc1krgbd7604u1avigick1pntt5ek@4ax.com>... > On 03 Mar 2003 12:19:55 -0500, "Mathew R. Ignash" > <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote: > > >On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:18:19 +0100, Saskia wrote: > >> > Just a point of interest: What's a charter in this context and where does one > >> > get it? > >> > >> If you don't know the answer to this question you shouldn't post to these > >> groups. > > > >Well, NO, because I never heard of it before, so I wouldn't know to stay out of > >the group because it says to in the characterm which I didn't know exists. Use > >some logic. > > If you don't know what a charter is, you shouldn't be posting to Usenet > AT ALL. Every Usenet FAQ will tell you to learn the basics of newsgroups > before posting to one, and to LEARN THE RULES of the groups you post to. > > For your benefit: A charter is basically the Constitution of a newsgoup. > It establishes the fundamental rules of the group: what it is about and > how people should post to it. One thing I have learned(and believe me, I have tried to argue from your POV) is that there are no rules on unmoderated Usenet newsgroups. What that charter proposes are guidelines, but nobody has to adhere to them. People are free to post whatever they want and however they want as long as they don't cross over into abuse- spamming, posting binaries in non-binary groups, threatening physical violence, slandering, etc. If you don't like the way someone is posting or you have a problem with their attitude or the content of their posts then killfile them or ignore them. You can insult them even, but telling them they aren't following the rules when they are in an open forum is just plain silly. There will always be top posters. As for posting spoilers, I can't imagine anything more fucking stupid than putting "Spoilers" in the header and then putting spoiler space in the body of the message. If people can't be bothered to read the headers of the posts before they read the content of the posts then they deserve to be spoiled. And if they don't like it, then, as the Russians say, "Tough shitski." Smaug69

2003-03-04 11:20:10-08:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (smaug86@yahoo.com)


"Andrew Cameron" <usenet@tags2k.co.uk> wrote in message news:<b41njb$1qhqii$1@ID-90381.news.dfncis.de>... <snip> > > We should start posting spoiler for everything there. By the time they > > killfile all of us, it'll be too late. hehe ;-) > > Oh look, another idiot. Hi Mathew's friend! Keep out of the UK group, just > as we keep out of yours. Are you telling us what we can and can't do now? BTR can post anywhere he likes. And he doesn't have to use spoiler space either. :-P > Your "friend" did something that was against group > rules, we called him on it, he protested. Now you come in defending him > because you like him? Not on - you can't insult the group just because one > of your mates was a twat to us. There are no rules in unmoderated groups on Usenet. There are only guidelines. If you don't like it then either create a moderated group or get the fuck out of Usenet, Sparky. Smaug69

2003-03-04 11:25:54-08:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (smaug86@yahoo.com)


"David Chapman" <evildeath@madasafish.com> wrote in message news:<b4014n$1r3ohv$1@ID-93395.news.dfncis.de>... > The Department of Pre-Crime reports that Wouter Valentijn will say: > > "David Chapman" <evildeath@madasafish.com> schreef in bericht > > news:b3vtls$1q425c$1@ID-93395.news.dfncis.de... > >> The Department of Pre-Crime reports that Wouter Valentijn will say: > >> > >>>> Please, show me just where in this post a warning is given: > > >>> At the top > >>> > >>> <Quote>: > >>> > >>> I just spent some time updating my timeline of events that happened > >>> before the > >>> pilot of Buffy The Vampire Slayer, so I figured I'd post it. If > >>> anyone has any > >>> additional items to add, I'd appreciate mentioning them. > >>> > >>> Note: Anyone who isn't up to date on the most recent episodes of all > >>> series, this timeline may contain spoilers. > >>> > >>> <End Quote> > >> > >> Er, no. That last para wasn't in Rick S's post, and it wasn't in > >> Ignash's either. > > > > Err, yes, the top post from Ignash (the one that started it all) did > > contain those words. > > Yes, but THE POST WITH THE UNPROTECTED SPOILER IN DID NOT. Ignash's original post had the "this timeline may contain spoilers" line in it. It's not his fault if subsequent posts snipped it. It was originally in there. So all you UK people are bitching about nothing. Which is pretty much what we do here in ATBVS. :-) Smaug69

2003-03-04 14:07:03+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated. - (Niall Harrison <sax@tirian.magd.ox.ac.uk>)


Previously, on alt.tv.angel - BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > In article <1046770740.553317@urchin.earth.li>, Niall Harrison > <sax@tirian.magd.ox.ac.uk> wrote: >> > I wanted to read his reply to you. I'll decide for myself what is and >> > is not a waste of my time, thanks. >> >> So you could have come to umtb to read it. > > Talk about a waste of my time. Suddenly I'm supposed to go out of my way > and subscribe to a new newsgroup just to read someone's reply? So which > is it? Are you guys full of concern about our wasted time or not? If it takes you more than about ten seconds to subscribe to a newsgroup, I suspect you're doing something wrong. But yeah, there has to be a balance. What level of courtesy can we reasonably expect from you guys? Not crossposting doesn't seem unreasonable, since it requires less effort than crossposting. Respecting local spoiler policies when you crosspost doesn't seem unreasonable, either. Yes, it requires you to make the effort to find out what those local spoiler policies *are*, but is that really such an inconvenience? >> Look, there's a reason cross-posting between groups with different >> spoiler policies is generally recognised as a bad idea. > > Sorry, but when I respond to a post, I respond in the same manner in > which it was posted. If I don't there's a good chance that the person > I'm responding to might never see my response, in which case, what's the > point of responding? > > That's why I have my newsreader set to ignore that "Follow-up to:" line. That's why there *is* a follow-up line. So people can follow the discussion to the appropriate location. Niall -- Verbing weirds language.

2003-03-04 15:55:46-06:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - ("Rev. Cyohtee - O'k�home Ehohatse" <cyohtee@barbarian.org>)


Out of the ether smaug86@yahoo.com (Smaug69) rose up and issued forth: >"David Chapman" <evildeath@madasafish.com> wrote in message news:<b4014n$1r3ohv$1@ID-93395.news.dfncis.de>... >> The Department of Pre-Crime reports that Wouter Valentijn will say: >> > "David Chapman" <evildeath@madasafish.com> schreef in bericht >> > news:b3vtls$1q425c$1@ID-93395.news.dfncis.de... >> >> The Department of Pre-Crime reports that Wouter Valentijn will say: >> >> >> >>>> Please, show me just where in this post a warning is given: >> >> >>> At the top >> >>> >> >>> <Quote>: >> >>> >> >>> I just spent some time updating my timeline of events that happened >> >>> before the >> >>> pilot of Buffy The Vampire Slayer, so I figured I'd post it. If >> >>> anyone has any >> >>> additional items to add, I'd appreciate mentioning them. >> >>> >> >>> Note: Anyone who isn't up to date on the most recent episodes of all >> >>> series, this timeline may contain spoilers. >> >>> >> >>> <End Quote> >> >> >> >> Er, no. That last para wasn't in Rick S's post, and it wasn't in >> >> Ignash's either. >> > >> > Err, yes, the top post from Ignash (the one that started it all) did >> > contain those words. >> >> Yes, but THE POST WITH THE UNPROTECTED SPOILER IN DID NOT. > >Ignash's original post had the "this timeline may contain spoilers" >line in it. It's not his fault if subsequent posts snipped it. It was >originally in there. > >So all you UK people are bitching about nothing. Which is pretty much >what we do here in ATBVS. :-) > No, if there were now spoilers in it when Mathew responded and put all the crossposts back in, Mathew was responsible for replacing the spoiler warning that was deleted from the message he was replying to *BECAUSE HE WAS PUTTING THE OTHER GROUPS BACK IN*. -- Cyo cyohtee@ucan.foad.org http://www.barbarian.org/~cyohtee http://www.barbarian.org "The Provisional Government is going to fall, and when governments fall people like me are the first ones shot." -- Quark

2003-03-04 16:05:58-06:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - ("Rev. Cyohtee - O'k�home Ehohatse" <cyohtee@barbarian.org>)


Out of the ether smaug86@yahoo.com (Smaug69) rose up and issued forth: >One thing I have learned(and believe me, I have tried to argue from >your POV) is that there are no rules on unmoderated Usenet newsgroups. >What that charter proposes are guidelines, but nobody has to adhere to >them. People are free to post whatever they want and however they want >as long as they don't cross over into abuse- spamming, posting >binaries in non-binary groups, threatening physical violence, >slandering, etc. > >If you don't like the way someone is posting or you have a problem >with their attitude or the content of their posts then killfile them >or ignore them. You can insult them even, but telling them they aren't >following the rules when they are in an open forum is just plain >silly. There will always be top posters. > >As for posting spoilers, I can't imagine anything more fucking stupid >than putting "Spoilers" in the header and then putting spoiler space >in the body of the message. If people can't be bothered to read the >headers of the posts before they read the content of the posts then >they deserve to be spoiled. And if they don't like it, then, as the >Russians say, "Tough shitski." > >Smaug69 Here is hoping that whatever ISP you use doesn't have a clause in their AUP about adhering to newsgroup charters, as most do, so that if enough people lodge complaints to your ISP about you breaking the rules of the charter, doesn't need to be moderated at all, they will yank your account and you can go through the joy of finding a new ISP and trying to get all your email and web pages and such changed to a new address. -- Cyo cyohtee@ucan.foad.org http://www.barbarian.org/~cyohtee http://www.barbarian.org Sheriff Hamilton: You don't mean to tell me you think these tracks were made by the Fiji Mermaid?! Scully: Do you recall what Barnum said about suckers? (Nods meaningfully toward Mulder)

2003-03-04 18:00:38-06:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <_g79a.12379$EN3.100108@newsfep4-glfd.server.ntli.net>, "John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote: > Smaug69 wrote: > > "Andrew Cameron" <usenet@tags2k.co.uk> wrote in message > > news:<b41njb$1qhqii$1@ID-90381.news.dfncis.de>... > > > > <snip> > > > >>> We should start posting spoiler for everything there. By the time > >>> they killfile all of us, it'll be too late. hehe ;-) > >> > >> Oh look, another idiot. Hi Mathew's friend! Keep out of the UK > >> group, just as we keep out of yours. > > > > Are you telling us what we can and can't do now? BTR can post anywhere > > he likes. And he doesn't have to use spoiler space either. :-P > > > >> Your "friend" did something that was against group > >> rules, we called him on it, he protested. Now you come in defending > >> him because you like him? Not on - you can't insult the group just > >> because one of your mates was a twat to us. > > > > There are no rules in unmoderated groups on Usenet. There are only > > guidelines. > > > > If you don't like it then either create a moderated group or get the > > fuck out of Usenet, Sparky. > > > > Groups with charters have rules. Come to that, atbvs once had a charter, > but it seems to have lost. They may call them charters or rules or whatever but they are uneforceable. On unmoderated groups, people can post whatever they like. That's what the word "unmoderated" means.

2003-03-04 18:11:42-06:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated. - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <1046786823.79273@urchin.earth.li>, Niall Harrison <sax@tirian.magd.ox.ac.uk> wrote: > Previously, on alt.tv.angel - BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > In article <1046770740.553317@urchin.earth.li>, Niall Harrison > > <sax@tirian.magd.ox.ac.uk> wrote: > > >> > I wanted to read his reply to you. I'll decide for myself what is > >> > and is not a waste of my time, thanks. > >> > >> So you could have come to umtb to read it. > > > > Talk about a waste of my time. Suddenly I'm supposed to go out of my > > way and subscribe to a new newsgroup just to read someone's reply? So which > > is it? Are you guys full of concern about our wasted time or not? > > If it takes you more than about ten seconds to subscribe to a newsgroup, > I suspect you're doing something wrong. That's 10 seconds longer than it took me just to read the next message in line. > But yeah, there has to be a balance. What level of courtesy can we > reasonably expect from you guys? Not crossposting doesn't seem > unreasonable, since it requires less effort than crossposting. Respecting > local spoiler policies when you crosspost doesn't seem unreasonable, > either. I have yet to post anything remotely resembling a spoiler. However, I refuse to subscribe to the idea that posting a message to more than one group at a time is inherently evil as some here have implied. > >> Look, there's a reason cross-posting between groups with different > >> spoiler policies is generally recognised as a bad idea. > > > > Sorry, but when I respond to a post, I respond in the same manner in > > which it was posted. If I don't there's a good chance that the person > > I'm responding to might never see my response, in which case, what's > > the point of responding? > > > > That's why I have my newsreader set to ignore that "Follow-up to:" > > line. > > That's why there *is* a follow-up line. So people can follow the > discussion to the appropriate location. But if the person I'm talking to isn't AT that location, then they'll never see my response so what is the point in responding? It's a logical paradox.

2003-03-04 18:14:33-06:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated. - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <Vl19a.11946$EN3.95962@newsfep4-glfd.server.ntli.net>, "John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote: > BTR1701 wrote: > > In article <1046770740.553317@urchin.earth.li>, Niall Harrison > > <sax@tirian.magd.ox.ac.uk> wrote: > > > >> Previously, on uk.media.tv.buffy-v-slayer - BTR1701 > >> <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > >>> In article <b4086i$1qchbs$1@ID-90381.news.dfncis.de>, "Sieue" > >>> <sieue@hotmail.com> wrote: > >>>> Mathew R. Ignash wrote: > >>>>> On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:23:00 -0000, "Sieue" wrote: > >> > >>>>>> Please go away and keep out of our groups. > >>>>> > >>>>> Wasn't aware you owned groups. I'm impressed. > >>>>> > >>>>> Okay, so what part of mentioning Spike's siring is a spoiler to the > >>>>> UK now? Or are you just being bitchy for fun? > >>>> > >>>> Why did you do that? I set follow ups for UMTB only so all these > >>>> other nice people don't have to read your reply to me, and waste > >>>> their time. You seem to have replied to me and x-posted. > >>> > >>> I wanted to read his reply to you. I'll decide for myself what is and > >>> is not a waste of my time, thanks. > >> > >> So you could have come to umtb to read it. > > > > Talk about a waste of my time. Suddenly I'm supposed to go out of my > > way and subscribe to a new newsgroup just to read someone's reply? So which > > is it? Are you guys full of concern about our wasted time or not? > > > >> Look, there's a reason cross-posting between groups with different > >> spoiler policies is generally recognised as a bad idea. > > > > Sorry, but when I respond to a post, I respond in the same manner in > > which it was posted. If I don't there's a good chance that the person > > I'm responding to might never see my response, in which case, what's > > the > > point of responding? > > > > That's why I have my newsreader set to ignore that "Follow-up to:" > > line. > > If you're not going to read uk.media.tv.buffy-v-slayer or aus.tv.buffy, > don't cross-post to them. I reply to whichever groups were in the subject line to the post that I am addressing. Period. It's the only way I can be sure that person I'm responding to will see my response.

2003-03-04 18:47:04-06:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <Atb9a.14851$en.120964165@news-text.cableinet.net>, Dan Milburn <danielmilburn@hotmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, 05 Mar 2003 00:00:38 +0000, BTR1701 wrote: > > > They may call them charters or rules or whatever but they are > > uneforceable. On unmoderated groups, people can post whatever they like. > > That's what the word "unmoderated" means. > > From m-w.com, the relevant definition of moderate: > 2 : to preside over or act as chairman of > > 'Unmoderated' therefore means there is no-one presiding or acting as > chairman, and that's all. Not on Usenet. It has it's own little definition here.

2003-03-04 19:28:28+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (Gunnar Harboe <gh248@cam.ac.uk>)


On 4 Mar 2003 11:11:37 -0800, smaug86@yahoo.com (Smaug69) wrote: >Gunnar Harboe <gh248@cam.ac.uk> wrote in message news:<kh676vc1krgbd7604u1avigick1pntt5ek@4ax.com>... >> On 03 Mar 2003 12:19:55 -0500, "Mathew R. Ignash" >> <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote: >> >> >On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:18:19 +0100, Saskia wrote: >> >> > Just a point of interest: What's a charter in this context and where does one >> >> > get it? >> >> >> >> If you don't know the answer to this question you shouldn't post to these >> >> groups. >> > >> >Well, NO, because I never heard of it before, so I wouldn't know to stay out of >> >the group because it says to in the characterm which I didn't know exists. Use >> >some logic. >> >> If you don't know what a charter is, you shouldn't be posting to Usenet >> AT ALL. Every Usenet FAQ will tell you to learn the basics of newsgroups >> before posting to one, and to LEARN THE RULES of the groups you post to. >> >> For your benefit: A charter is basically the Constitution of a newsgoup. >> It establishes the fundamental rules of the group: what it is about and >> how people should post to it. > >One thing I have learned(and believe me, I have tried to argue from >your POV) is that there are no rules on unmoderated Usenet newsgroups. >What that charter proposes are guidelines, but nobody has to adhere to >them. People are free to post whatever they want and however they want >as long as they don't cross over into abuse- spamming, posting >binaries in non-binary groups, threatening physical violence, >slandering, etc. You're contradicting yourself. If there are no rules, then people are free to spam, post binaries, be abusive, threatening and slanderous. There's no effective way to enforce any kind of regulation on Usenet, so *all* rules are "guidelines" if you wish to look at it that way. When we talk about the charter as a rule that "has" to be obeyed, it's in the same sense (although in a much milder way) as human rights "have" to be respected: out of basic decency. >If you don't like the way someone is posting or you have a problem >with their attitude or the content of their posts then killfile them >or ignore them. You can insult them even, but telling them they aren't >following the rules when they are in an open forum is just plain >silly. There will always be top posters. Well, but there's a way in which a newsgroup is *not* an open forum. If the rest of the community join together against someone not following the "rules", that forum is effectively closed for that person. >As for posting spoilers, I can't imagine anything more fucking stupid >than putting "Spoilers" in the header and then putting spoiler space >in the body of the message. If people can't be bothered to read the >headers of the posts before they read the content of the posts then >they deserve to be spoiled. And if they don't like it, then, as the >Russians say, "Tough shitski." There are good reasons for the rule, mainly that a large number of people read newsgroups by jumping from one unread message to the next, and get the body up in the preview pane at the same time as they see the header. Rather than demanding that all these people should change their habit, which also happens to be the quickest and most efficient way to "browse" Usenet, UMTB asks for some consideration from those lucky enough to have seen upcoming episodes already. If you don't like it and don't observe it, you will not find a warm welcome on the group. Tough shit indeed.

2003-03-04 20:55:43+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (Bill Bickel <billbick@optonline.com>)


> As for posting spoilers, I can't imagine anything more fucking stupid > than putting "Spoilers" in the header and then putting spoiler space > in the body of the message. If people can't be bothered to read the > headers of the posts before they read the content of the posts then > they deserve to be spoiled. And if they don't like it, then, as the > Russians say, "Tough shitski." I think this is a safeguard for people whose newsreaders truncate the subject line, and the subject line is something ungodly like THOUGHTS ABOUT BUFFY, WILLOW AND ANYA AND WHICH OF THEM SHOULD GET TO USE THE BATHROOOM FIRST IN THE MORNING (SPOILERS). "THOUGHTS ABOUT BUF" won't be much of a warning. I'm more bothered by people who warn about spoilers for the latest episode, then go on to discuss everything they know about the May 13 episode. Bill Bickel http://www.comicsidontunderstand.com http://www.lawsuit-of-the-week.com http://www.FindLaciPeterson.com

2003-03-04 21:12:26+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (David Chapman <evildeath@madasafish.com>)


The Department of Pre-Crime reports that Bill Bickel will say: >> As for posting spoilers, I can't imagine anything more fucking stupid >> than putting "Spoilers" in the header and then putting spoiler space >> in the body of the message. If people can't be bothered to read the >> headers of the posts before they read the content of the posts then >> they deserve to be spoiled. And if they don't like it, then, as the >> Russians say, "Tough shitski." > > I think this is a safeguard for people whose newsreaders truncate the > subject line, More for people whose newsreaders automatically display the next unread message at a keystroke. The spoiler space in the body is actually more important than putting "Spoilers" in the header; the header change does nothing but aid filtering. (And before some drooling cretin from the States asks why we download messages before we read them, I'll remind you all that in the UK we don't have free local calls or prevalent broadband. A great number of UMTB posters have a limit on how much time they can spend online and don't want to waste it doing nothing while reading messages one at a time.) -- The perfect drug. Euphoric, narcotic, pleasantly hallucinant. All the advantages of Christianity and alcohol; none of their defects.

2003-03-04 21:16:30+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (Neil Sluman <squigs@NOSPAM.postmaster.co.uk>)


Smaug69 wrote: > "David Chapman" <evildeath@madasafish.com> wrote in message news:<b4014n$1r3ohv$1@ID-93395.news.dfncis.de>... > >>The Department of Pre-Crime reports that Wouter Valentijn will say: >> >>>"David Chapman" <evildeath@madasafish.com> schreef in bericht >>>news:b3vtls$1q425c$1@ID-93395.news.dfncis.de... >>> >>>>The Department of Pre-Crime reports that Wouter Valentijn will say: >>>> >>>> >>>>>>Please, show me just where in this post a warning is given: >>>>> >> >> >>>>>At the top >>>>> >>>>><Quote>: >>>>> >>>>>I just spent some time updating my timeline of events that happened >>>>>before the >>>>>pilot of Buffy The Vampire Slayer, so I figured I'd post it. If >>>>>anyone has any >>>>>additional items to add, I'd appreciate mentioning them. >>>>> >>>>>Note: Anyone who isn't up to date on the most recent episodes of all >>>>>series, this timeline may contain spoilers. >>>>> >>>>><End Quote> >>>> >>>>Er, no. That last para wasn't in Rick S's post, and it wasn't in >>>>Ignash's either. >>> >>>Err, yes, the top post from Ignash (the one that started it all) did >>>contain those words. >> >>Yes, but THE POST WITH THE UNPROTECTED SPOILER IN DID NOT. > > > Ignash's original post had the "this timeline may contain spoilers" > line in it. It's not his fault if subsequent posts snipped it. It was > originally in there. > But the people who removed the spoiler warning also quite nicely removed the thread from umtb. Ignash then cross-posted the message back into this group. The original post didn't contain anything majorly spoilierish, but the reply that caused the upset most certainly did! It gave away key elements of episode that have not been shown over here at all. We have a set of rules here, that we have agreed to, and everyone sticks to for the good of the community. The rules were totally ignored by someone who would appear to have gone to extra effort to include us. Perhaps the response was a little extreme. These rows tend to excalate quite quickly. It would help if people could be a little calmer when complaining about spoilers. The damage is already done. Insults aren't going to help. > So all you UK people are bitching about nothing. Which is pretty much > what we do here in ATBVS. :-) > :) This is the nature of a discussion forum. > Smaug69 -- Squigs

2003-03-04 21:34:15-06:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated. - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <4rka6v0oqebj5on8qh954grajbd88i1n36@4ax.com>, pikelet <timothy.phipps@hertford.ox.ac.uk.issmenotwithspammylips> wrote: > Tue, 04 Mar 2003 18:07:51 -0600. I'm in alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer. BTR1701 > <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> is twanging, all Hoob-like, at me. I calmly > say: > > >In article <1jl96vkj7lbuemkc8dr5edm0505kn34c7i@4ax.com>, pikelet > ><timothy.phipps@hertford.ox.ac.uk.issmenotwithspammylips> wrote: > > > >> Mon, 03 Mar 2003 18:21:51 -0600. I'm in alt.buffy.europe. BTR1701 > >> <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> is twanging, all Hoob-like, at me. I calmly > >> say: > >> > >> >Good job Matt, in resetting the paramters. > >> > >> You ever considered why so many *different* groups exist for the same > >> topic? It's because they all choose to discuss things in a different > >> fashion. I would have thought that this was something which might be > >> able to respect, given the much-vaunted 'freedom of speech' provisions > >> within your nation's constitution. > >> > >> However, since this is apparently not the case, I feel that I ought to > >> just mention this - far from doing a 'good job', re-inserting a > >> deliberately removed crosspost is a deeply rude and antisocial thing > >> to do. > > > >This is funny. Really. We've reached the point where posting a message > >to more than one newsgroup at a time is anti-social. > > No, I'm talking about deliberately reinserting a crosspost that has > been deliberately removed for a good reason. The "good reason" cited by the person that removed it was that it was saving people wasted time. Well, it would wasted *more* of my time to have it removed than to not have it removed. The "good reason" was invalid. > >That term used to be reserved for things like murder and rape and > >assault. Now posting to multiple Usenet groups is right up there, huh? > > *sigh* > > Did I actually say that? Anywhere? At all? Pretty much, yeah. > If your next-door neighbour was playing their music poundingly loud so > that your walls rattled, would it be fair to call that antisocial? No. Annoying but not necessarily anti-social. He might be having a party with 20 friends in which case he's being *very* social. > >> There is a very thin line between being the good and righteous > >> revolutionary who rails against oppression, and just being an > >> ignoramus who doesn't understand the rules and so proceeds to piss in > >> the communal punchbowl. I'm afraid that I'm not getting much of the > >> 'George Washington' vibe from your actions here. > > > >I would not have been able to read his reply had he followed your > >"rules" without stopping and subscribing to a whole new group, then > >wading through all the unread posts to find the one response I was > >looking for. > > Do you know how to check the full headers of a post, double-click on > the <Message-ID> tag, or on any of the message IDs in the <References> > field, and have your newsreader immediately search for all incidents > of that thread in all the groups on your newserver? Because that's as > simple as clicking on a URL, and *even easier* than the few seconds it > takes to subscribe to a group. > > >It was highly convenient for him to post his reply to every original > >group because it saved me a lot of trouble. > > Ah, convenient for yourself, perhaps. But potentially it's hugely > inconvenient for others when, later on down the thread, the spoilers > start creeping in and this whole thing kicks off anew. That wasn't the reason given by the person who snipped all the groups from the reply. It was to keep from "wasting everyone's time". Well, it was less of waste of time to leave the groups in. > I've only posted this message to atbvs. Regular posters to umtb, abe, > atb and the like know the rules already and don't need to have the > difficulties associated with crossposting and spoiler protection > explained to them. I'm reading atbvs, you're reading atbvs, there's no > need to reinsert any crossposts. Humour me on this one. Sorry. Other people may be following this discussion in other groups. In fact, I know for certain some are. And if you're only reading atbvs, then it shouldn't be any concern of yours what other groups I'm posting to since you don't participate there.

2003-03-05 00:00:00+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (richard@gadsden.name)


In article <8ku96vkr2lsfusdetdcgstfst47p2r5006@4ax.com> on Tue, 04 Mar 2003 19:28:28 +0000, gh248@cam.ac.uk (Gunnar Harboe) wrote: > There's no effective way to enforce any kind of regulation on Usenet Actually, the Breidbart Index is pretty well enforced, so that's not true. However, you can't cancelbot any rule that's too complicated for a machine to pick up - and "no unprotected spoilers" is such a rule. -- Richard Gadsden "I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" - Attributed to Voltaire

2003-03-05 00:08:27+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (quester@infi.net)


On Tue, 4 Mar 2003 21:12:26 -0000, "David Chapman" <evildeath@madasafish.com> wrote: >More for people whose newsreaders automatically display the next unread >message at a keystroke. The spoiler space in the body is actually more >important than putting "Spoilers" in the header; the header change does >nothing but aid filtering. I would agree - this is a very common setup. >(And before some drooling cretin from the States asks why we download >messages before we read them, I'll remind you all that in the UK we don't >have free local calls or prevalent broadband. A great number of UMTB >posters have a limit on how much time they can spend online and don't want >to waste it doing nothing while reading messages one at a time.) Even for people who have flat rate (not "free") local calling it is still encouraged to download and read offline. The ISPs buy equipment to handle their expected load, and if everybody started reading everything online their load would take a huge jump. This would either mean people would be unable to connect or else the ISP would have to increase their capability - and would have to pass that cost on to the consumer. And, of course, for those who do not have DSL or Cable, being able to make and receive phone calls is often nice. So it is both a matter of courtesy to others as well as enlightened self-interest to download and read offline.

2003-03-05 00:25:04+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (Dan Milburn <danielmilburn@hotmail.com>)


On Wed, 05 Mar 2003 00:00:38 +0000, BTR1701 wrote: > They may call them charters or rules or whatever but they are > uneforceable. On unmoderated groups, people can post whatever they like. > That's what the word "unmoderated" means.

2003-03-05 06:51:03-08:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (smaug86@yahoo.com)


Rev. Cyohtee - O'k�home Ehohatse <cyohtee@barbarian.org> wrote in message news:<3l8a6v48u64dqj0sigdi7tofbnl77joseh@4ax.com>... > Out of the ether smaug86@yahoo.com (Smaug69) rose up and issued forth: > > >One thing I have learned(and believe me, I have tried to argue from > >your POV) is that there are no rules on unmoderated Usenet newsgroups. > >What that charter proposes are guidelines, but nobody has to adhere to > >them. People are free to post whatever they want and however they want > >as long as they don't cross over into abuse- spamming, posting > >binaries in non-binary groups, threatening physical violence, > >slandering, etc. > > > >If you don't like the way someone is posting or you have a problem > >with their attitude or the content of their posts then killfile them > >or ignore them. You can insult them even, but telling them they aren't > >following the rules when they are in an open forum is just plain > >silly. There will always be top posters. > > > >As for posting spoilers, I can't imagine anything more fucking stupid > >than putting "Spoilers" in the header and then putting spoiler space > >in the body of the message. If people can't be bothered to read the > >headers of the posts before they read the content of the posts then > >they deserve to be spoiled. And if they don't like it, then, as the > >Russians say, "Tough shitski." > > > >Smaug69 > > Here is hoping that whatever ISP you use doesn't have a clause in > their AUP about adhering to newsgroup charters, as most do, so that if > enough people lodge complaints to your ISP about you breaking the > rules of the charter, doesn't need to be moderated at all, they will > yank your account and you can go through the joy of finding a new ISP > and trying to get all your email and web pages and such changed to a > new address. They have to prove some kind of abuse like spamming or threatening violence, etc. You can't kick someone off of their ISP because they refuse to bottom post(or some other nonsense like that) to your newsgroup- which has that "rule" in the charter. That's fucking insane. Smaug69

2003-03-05 07:12:41-08:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (smaug86@yahoo.com)


Gunnar Harboe <gh248@cam.ac.uk> wrote in message news:<8ku96vkr2lsfusdetdcgstfst47p2r5006@4ax.com>... <snip> > >One thing I have learned(and believe me, I have tried to argue from > >your POV) is that there are no rules on unmoderated Usenet newsgroups. > >What that charter proposes are guidelines, but nobody has to adhere to > >them. People are free to post whatever they want and however they want > >as long as they don't cross over into abuse- spamming, posting > >binaries in non-binary groups, threatening physical violence, > >slandering, etc. > > You're contradicting yourself. If there are no rules, then people are > free to spam, post binaries, be abusive, threatening and slanderous. But those rules are not set out by the individual newsgroups(and their users) themselves. That is something in the "charter" of Usenet as a whole- which actually does have a moderator, of sorts. Those kinds of abuse are specifically laid out and don't have to be covered in each newsgroups' "charter" or FAQ. > There's no effective way to enforce any kind of regulation on Usenet, Actually, when it comes to spamming and the like there is a way to handle it. That's what news.admin.net-abuse is for. > so > *all* rules are "guidelines" if you wish to look at it that way. When we > talk about the charter as a rule that "has" to be obeyed, it's in the > same sense (although in a much milder way) as human rights "have" to be > respected: out of basic decency. What if the "rule" is just silly or stupid? Are you saying that it's set in stone and can't be altered or dropped? > >If you don't like the way someone is posting or you have a problem > >with their attitude or the content of their posts then killfile them > >or ignore them. You can insult them even, but telling them they aren't > >following the rules when they are in an open forum is just plain > >silly. There will always be top posters. > > Well, but there's a way in which a newsgroup is *not* an open forum. If > the rest of the community join together against someone not following > the "rules", that forum is effectively closed for that person. Not really. That person can still post to the newsgroup. > >As for posting spoilers, I can't imagine anything more fucking stupid > >than putting "Spoilers" in the header and then putting spoiler space > >in the body of the message. If people can't be bothered to read the > >headers of the posts before they read the content of the posts then > >they deserve to be spoiled. And if they don't like it, then, as the > >Russians say, "Tough shitski." > > There are good reasons for the rule, mainly that a large number of > people read newsgroups by jumping from one unread message to the next, > and get the body up in the preview pane at the same time as they see the > header. If they are looking at the header field then they should never see anything in the message preview pane first. I honestly don't understand how anyone could be spoiled by anything in that fashion- unless that person is just looking directly at the message preview pane. In that case, they deserve to be spoiled. READ THE HEADERS FIRST. > Rather than demanding that all these people should change their habit, > which also happens to be the quickest and most efficient way to "browse" > Usenet, UMTB asks for some consideration from those lucky enough to have > seen upcoming episodes already. If you don't like it and don't observe > it, you will not find a warm welcome on the group. Tough shit indeed. "SPOILERS" in the header is all that is needed. As for Ignash, his original post had "spoilers" in the body of the text before the meat of the timeline began. If someone didn't see that and got spoiled it's their own fault. Ignash also cannot be blamed for people who responded to his original post or to reponses of the original post and snipped the word "spoilers" that he put there in the first place. Smaug69

2003-03-05 07:16:11-08:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (smaug86@yahoo.com)


"David Chapman" <evildeath@madasafish.com> wrote in message news:<b434s2$1rmnup$2@ID-93395.news.dfncis.de>... > The Department of Pre-Crime reports that Bill Bickel will say: > >> As for posting spoilers, I can't imagine anything more fucking stupid > >> than putting "Spoilers" in the header and then putting spoiler space > >> in the body of the message. If people can't be bothered to read the > >> headers of the posts before they read the content of the posts then > >> they deserve to be spoiled. And if they don't like it, then, as the > >> Russians say, "Tough shitski." > > > > I think this is a safeguard for people whose newsreaders truncate the > > subject line, > > More for people whose newsreaders automatically display the next unread > message at a keystroke. The spoiler space in the body is actually more > important than putting "Spoilers" in the header; the header change does > nothing but aid filtering. It doesn't tell you what the thread or the meassge is about? Interesting. > (And before some drooling cretin from the States asks why we download > messages before we read them, I'll remind you all that in the UK we don't > have free local calls or prevalent broadband. A great number of UMTB > posters have a limit on how much time they can spend online and don't want > to waste it doing nothing while reading messages one at a time.) So downloading all the messages actually prevents you from reading the headers before reading the messages once you are offline? Interesting. Smaug69

2003-03-05 16:27:00-06:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated. - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <f2rc6v0q47m7gtbrh97u4t9slmdd5tmmj2@4ax.com>, pikelet <timothy.phipps@hertford.ox.ac.uk.issmenotwithspammylips> wrote: > Tue, 04 Mar 2003 21:34:15 -0600. I'm in alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer. BTR1701 > <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> is twanging, all Hoob-like, at me. I calmly > say: > >> >It was highly convenient for him to post his reply to every original > >> >group because it saved me a lot of trouble. > >> > >> Ah, convenient for yourself, perhaps. But potentially it's hugely > >> inconvenient for others when, later on down the thread, the spoilers > >> start creeping in and this whole thing kicks off anew. > > > >That wasn't the reason given by the person who snipped all the groups > >from the reply. It was to keep from "wasting everyone's time". > > > >Well, it was less of waste of time to leave the groups in. > > Ah, but the *reason* it's a waste of everyone's time is that the UK > group posters have been through all this many, many times. Nobody in > the UK group needs to be told why crossposting to the UK group often > leads to trouble. By posting this to UK groups all over again, we > would indeed be wasting the time and bandwidth of everyone on the UK > groups pointlessly - *it's a discussion we've been through many times > already*. Then why the hell did the first poster who was so concerned about wasting everyone's time trim all the groups EXCEPT the UK group? You're making no sense here. > The reason that I'm attempting to constrain the discussion to the > alt.* hierachy You may be but the person to whom Ignash was replying was quite clearly trying to contrain it to solely the UK group. Please try and keep up. is that the alt.* hierachy is where the problem > originates, time after time - and if I can explain to at least one of > the alt.* posters why it is that this is the case, then perhaps > problems such as this might be avoided in future. > > And even if you dislike the 'waste of time' line of thought, you've > completely ignored my efforts to explain to you the reasons for the UK > group's asking for spoiler protection, Perhaps that's because it's irrelvant to me. I have posted no spoilers so I don't have any reason to read multiple paragraphs about your spoiler phobia.

2003-03-06 14:31:39-06:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - ("Rev. Cyohtee - O'k�home Ehohatse" <cyohtee@barbarian.org>)


Out of the ether smaug86@yahoo.com (Smaug69) rose up and issued forth: > >They have to prove some kind of abuse like spamming or threatening >violence, etc. You can't kick someone off of their ISP because they >refuse to bottom post(or some other nonsense like that) to your >newsgroup- which has that "rule" in the charter. > >That's fucking insane. > Insane or not, I have seen enough ISP AUPs that include not posting things to newsgroups that go against the individual groups charter, and if it is in the charter and people complain to the ISP, the ISP can (and many that I have worked with have) pulled the users accounts for not complying with the ISP's AUP. Not to mention those services, like AOL, that not only have an AUP, but a TOS as well. -- Cyo cyohtee@ucan.foad.org http://www.barbarian.org/~cyohtee http://www.barbarian.org "Perhaps we should just knock?" -- Picard to, among others, Data after the manual override to open engineering doors breaks

2003-03-06 17:02:37-06:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <cu4f6vc3rlss8g78o3grna6k1egh6a8tio@4ax.com>, Gunnar Harboe <gh248@cam.ac.uk> wrote: > The message preview pane is one line below the title line on my > newsreader. Many people will instantly take in keywords of the first > paragraph without even trying to read it. It's impractical and selfish > to demand that everyone should fix their stare firmly at one single line > of the screen. Why is it "impractical and selfish" to ask people to look at certain part of their screen and take responsibility for themselves but it's not "impractical and selfish" to ask people to constantly take the time to put it in all sorts of nonsense space and/or scroll through it in order protect *other* people? Logic says that if anyone should be inconvenienced by the burden of *your* spoiler protection, it should be *you*, not everyone else.

2003-03-06 18:41:37+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated (FUCKWITS POSTING MASSIVE S7 SPOILERS AGAIN) - (Shimon <shimon@blueyonder.co.uk>)


I just love a good bitch fight! This group takes itself way too seriously... "PJ Browning" <antarian@pacbell.net> wrote in message news:030320030725321011%antarian@pacbell.net... > In article <b3vbjj$1podt9$5@ID-93395.news.dfncis.de>, David Chapman > <evildeath@madasafish.com> wrote: > > > The Department of Pre-Crime reports that Mathew R. Ignash will say: > > > On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 02:00:27 GMT, Rick S wrote: > > > > > >> "Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote in > > >> news:9191121021095238.NC-1.55.mathewignash@news.mi.comcast.giganews.com: > > >> > > >>> > > >>> I just spent some time updating my timeline of events that happened > > >>> before the pilot of Buffy The Vampire Slayer, so I figured I'd post > > >>> it. If anyone has any additional items to add, I'd appreciate > > >>> mentioning them. > > > > *Please*, will you guys stop posting unprotected spoilers outside ATBVS? > > if you had bothered reading all the message you would have seen the > note about spoilers before the beginning of the timeline > > > > Re: the timeline - why do you refer to "Angel" as "Angelus" for events in > > the period 1898-1996? > > what diff does it make. he's the same person. > > how about this solution.-- no one from the US will post in any group > but ATBVS. Folks from outside the US can come to us if they want > current info.

2003-03-06 18:45:47+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (Gunnar Harboe <gh248@cam.ac.uk>)


On 5 Mar 2003 07:12:41 -0800, smaug86@yahoo.com (Smaug69) wrote: >Gunnar Harboe <gh248@cam.ac.uk> wrote in message news:<8ku96vkr2lsfusdetdcgstfst47p2r5006@4ax.com>... >> so >> *all* rules are "guidelines" if you wish to look at it that way. When we >> talk about the charter as a rule that "has" to be obeyed, it's in the >> same sense (although in a much milder way) as human rights "have" to be >> respected: out of basic decency. > >What if the "rule" is just silly or stupid? Are you saying that it's >set in stone and can't be altered or dropped? No, there are official, democratic procedures for changing the charter. Well, for the uk.* hierarchy, at least. I guess you're talking from alt.* experience, where things are very different. >> >If you don't like the way someone is posting or you have a problem >> >with their attitude or the content of their posts then killfile them >> >or ignore them. You can insult them even, but telling them they aren't >> >following the rules when they are in an open forum is just plain >> >silly. There will always be top posters. >> >> Well, but there's a way in which a newsgroup is *not* an open forum. If >> the rest of the community join together against someone not following >> the "rules", that forum is effectively closed for that person. > >Not really. That person can still post to the newsgroup. If they like talking to themselves, yeah. But a forum is "a place of public *discussion*" (OED), which means that you not only need to be allowed to write, you also need to be read. >> >As for posting spoilers, I can't imagine anything more fucking stupid >> >than putting "Spoilers" in the header and then putting spoiler space >> >in the body of the message. If people can't be bothered to read the >> >headers of the posts before they read the content of the posts then >> >they deserve to be spoiled. And if they don't like it, then, as the >> >Russians say, "Tough shitski." >> >> There are good reasons for the rule, mainly that a large number of >> people read newsgroups by jumping from one unread message to the next, >> and get the body up in the preview pane at the same time as they see the >> header. > >If they are looking at the header field then they should never see >anything in the message preview pane first. I honestly don't >understand how anyone could be spoiled by anything in that fashion- >unless that person is just looking directly at the message preview >pane. In that case, they deserve to be spoiled. READ THE HEADERS >FIRST. The message preview pane is one line below the title line on my newsreader. Many people will instantly take in keywords of the first paragraph without even trying to read it. It's impractical and selfish to demand that everyone should fix their stare firmly at one single line of the screen. >> Rather than demanding that all these people should change their habit, >> which also happens to be the quickest and most efficient way to "browse" >> Usenet, UMTB asks for some consideration from those lucky enough to have >> seen upcoming episodes already. If you don't like it and don't observe >> it, you will not find a warm welcome on the group. Tough shit indeed. > >"SPOILERS" in the header is all that is needed. No, it's not. >As for Ignash, his original post had "spoilers" in the body of the >text before the meat of the timeline began. If someone didn't see that >and got spoiled it's their own fault. Ignash also cannot be blamed for >people who responded to his original post or to reponses of the >original post and snipped the word "spoilers" that he put there in the >first place. No, and that's not what he's being blamed for. The problem was that he posted a reply of his own that *didn't* have a spoiler warning (of any kind), but *did* have spoilers. It doesn't matter what the post you reply to look like, each person is responsible for each of their posts being adequately spoiler-protected.

2003-03-06 21:05:17-06:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <b48qfk$1skfvm$4@ID-93395.news.dfncis.de>, "David Chapman" <jedit@dsl.pipex.com> wrote: > The Department of Pre-Crime reports that BTR1701 will say: > > In article <cu4f6vc3rlss8g78o3grna6k1egh6a8tio@4ax.com>, Gunnar Harboe > > <gh248@cam.ac.uk> wrote: > > > >> The message preview pane is one line below the title line on my > >> newsreader. Many people will instantly take in keywords of the first > >> paragraph without even trying to read it. It's impractical and > >> selfish to demand that everyone should fix their stare firmly at one > >> single line of the screen. > > > > Why is it "impractical and selfish" to ask people to look at certain > > part of their screen and take responsibility for themselves but it's > > not "impractical and selfish" to ask people to constantly take the > > time to put it in all sorts of nonsense space and/or scroll through > > it in order protect *other* people? > > It's called common human decency. Ah, I see. Asking me to take responsibility for your protection is common human decency. Thanks for clearing that up. > You may have to look the concept up in a dictionary. I did. Oddly enough, my dictionary has no definition for "common human decency". Weird, huh? But I suspect if it were there, it wouldn't say anything about putting spoiler space in Usenet posts. > Me, I'm done with you. And another coward runs away, but not before self-righteously announcing the killfile. It's funny, I've never once felt the need to make and announcement to the world when I use my killfile. Wonder why that is?

2003-03-07 00:10:29+01:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (George van Hal <hal00055@planet.nl>)


David Chapman wrote: > The Department of Pre-Crime reports that Mark Evans will say: > >>Charters and rules would be rather mutually exclusive with the >>alt hierarchy anyway. > > > Ahem. There are a few small islands of sanity, like alt.fan.pratchett. /me raises hand See Ya, George (in ALT.buffy.europe ;-))

2003-03-07 00:47:44+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (David Chapman <evildeath@madasafish.com>)


The Department of Pre-Crime reports that BTR1701 will say: > In article <cu4f6vc3rlss8g78o3grna6k1egh6a8tio@4ax.com>, Gunnar Harboe > <gh248@cam.ac.uk> wrote: > >> The message preview pane is one line below the title line on my >> newsreader. Many people will instantly take in keywords of the first >> paragraph without even trying to read it. It's impractical and >> selfish to demand that everyone should fix their stare firmly at one >> single line of the screen. > > Why is it "impractical and selfish" to ask people to look at certain > part of their screen and take responsibility for themselves but it's > not "impractical and selfish" to ask people to constantly take the > time to put it in all sorts of nonsense space and/or scroll through > it in order protect *other* people? It's called common human decency. You may have to look the concept up in a dictionary. Me, I'm done with you. <plonk> -- The perfect drug. Euphoric, narcotic, pleasantly hallucinant. All the advantages of Christianity and alcohol; none of their defects.

2003-03-07 19:10:07+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (Mark Evans <mpe@anacon.freeserve.co.uk>)


In uk.media.tv.buffy-v-slayer Gunnar Harboe <gh248@cam.ac.uk> wrote: > On 5 Mar 2003 07:12:41 -0800, smaug86@yahoo.com (Smaug69) wrote: >>Gunnar Harboe <gh248@cam.ac.uk> wrote in message news:<8ku96vkr2lsfusdetdcgstfst47p2r5006@4ax.com>... >>> so >>> *all* rules are "guidelines" if you wish to look at it that way. When we >>> talk about the charter as a rule that "has" to be obeyed, it's in the >>> same sense (although in a much milder way) as human rights "have" to be >>> respected: out of basic decency. >> >>What if the "rule" is just silly or stupid? Are you saying that it's >>set in stone and can't be altered or dropped? > No, there are official, democratic procedures for changing the charter. > Well, for the uk.* hierarchy, at least. I guess you're talking from > alt.* experience, where things are very different. Charters and rules would be rather mutually exclusive with the alt hierarchy anyway.

2003-03-07 20:21:57+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (David Chapman <evildeath@madasafish.com>)


The Department of Pre-Crime reports that Mark Evans will say: > Charters and rules would be rather mutually exclusive with the > alt hierarchy anyway. Ahem. There are a few small islands of sanity, like alt.fan.pratchett. -- The perfect drug. Euphoric, narcotic, pleasantly hallucinant. All the advantages of Christianity and alcohol; none of their defects.

2003-03-07 20:42:15+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (Speaker-to-Customers <greebo@manx.net>)


David Chapman wrote: > The Department of Pre-Crime reports that Mark Evans will say: >> Charters and rules would be rather mutually exclusive with the >> alt hierarchy anyway. > > Ahem. There are a few small islands of sanity, like > alt.fan.pratchett. This is some strange use of the word "sanity" of which I was previously unaware. Unless you are referring to Michel? Paul Speaker-to-Customers

2003-03-07 21:00:36+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (David Chapman <evildeath@madasafish.com>)


The Department of Pre-Crime reports that Speaker-to-Customers will say: > David Chapman wrote: >> The Department of Pre-Crime reports that Mark Evans will say: >>> Charters and rules would be rather mutually exclusive with the >>> alt hierarchy anyway. >> >> Ahem. There are a few small islands of sanity, like >> alt.fan.pratchett. > > This is some strange use of the word "sanity" of which I was > previously unaware. Take a look at the rest of the hierarchy, paying especial note of AGFF, then tell me AFP isn't sane. -- The perfect drug. Euphoric, narcotic, pleasantly hallucinant. All the advantages of Christianity and alcohol; none of their defects.

2003-03-12 20:44:37-08:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (smaug86@yahoo.com)


Will Tingle <Will@YOUR.PANTSwillsbedroom.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message news:<xMn8TBUcC8b+EwfG@jtingle.demon.co.uk>... > Smaug69 <smaug86@yahoo.com> 's post included the following: > >They have to prove some kind of abuse like spamming or threatening > >violence, etc. You can't kick someone off of their ISP because they > >refuse to bottom post(or some other nonsense like that) to your > >newsgroup- which has that "rule" in the charter. > > Erm, actually... > > When you use a NG, you accept its charter. > > If you break that charter, you are _abusing_ the group. > > Therefore _abusing_ usenet. > > hence "Usenet abuse" Top posting- while annoying- is not a crime worthy of being kicked off Usenet for and it's a no no on nearly every newsgroup I have ever been in. When it comes to Usenet abuse, I only go by what is considered a no no by the administrators of Usenet, not by any single newsgroup. Smaug69

2003-03-12 23:19:56+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (Will Tingle <Will@YOUR.PANTSwillsbedroom.freeserve.co.uk>)


Smaug69 <smaug86@yahoo.com> 's post included the following: >They have to prove some kind of abuse like spamming or threatening >violence, etc. You can't kick someone off of their ISP because they >refuse to bottom post(or some other nonsense like that) to your >newsgroup- which has that "rule" in the charter. Erm, actually... When you use a NG, you accept its charter. If you break that charter, you are _abusing_ the group. Therefore _abusing_ usenet. hence "Usenet abuse" -- Will Tingle Remove YOUR.PANTS to e-mail -- Petition to get peanut butter M&Ms released in the UK: http://tinyurl.com/6xo3

2003-03-13 13:44:36-08:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (smaug86@yahoo.com)


Rev. Cyohtee - O'k�home Ehohatse <cyohtee@barbarian.org> wrote in message news:<3bp17vcsu18l2dasv8j75jtrqcilb6r2gg@4ax.com>... > Out of the ether smaug86@yahoo.com (Smaug69) rose up and issued forth: > > >Will Tingle <Will@YOUR.PANTSwillsbedroom.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message news:<xMn8TBUcC8b+EwfG@jtingle.demon.co.uk>... > >> Smaug69 <smaug86@yahoo.com> 's post included the following: > >> >They have to prove some kind of abuse like spamming or threatening > >> >violence, etc. You can't kick someone off of their ISP because they > >> >refuse to bottom post(or some other nonsense like that) to your > >> >newsgroup- which has that "rule" in the charter. > >> > >> Erm, actually... > >> > >> When you use a NG, you accept its charter. > >> > >> If you break that charter, you are _abusing_ the group. > >> > >> Therefore _abusing_ usenet. > >> > >> hence "Usenet abuse" > > > >Top posting- while annoying- is not a crime worthy of being kicked off > >Usenet for and it's a no no on nearly every newsgroup I have ever been > >in. > > > >When it comes to Usenet abuse, I only go by what is considered a no no > >by the administrators of Usenet, not by any single newsgroup. > > > >Smaug69 > > And you are not an ISP news administrator, who will do whatever the > ISP he/she works for says to do, and if the ISP's AUP says that users > must agree to abide by the rules and charters of a newsgroup, then > that is that. I'd like to see someone get kicked off Usenet for top posting. Talk about opening up a shit storm. As much as I hate top posters, unmoderated newsgroups don't have the moral right to get top posters kicked off. Smaug69

2003-03-13 14:11:04-06:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - ("Rev. Cyohtee - O'k�home Ehohatse" <cyohtee@barbarian.org>)


Out of the ether smaug86@yahoo.com (Smaug69) rose up and issued forth: >Will Tingle <Will@YOUR.PANTSwillsbedroom.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message news:<xMn8TBUcC8b+EwfG@jtingle.demon.co.uk>... >> Smaug69 <smaug86@yahoo.com> 's post included the following: >> >They have to prove some kind of abuse like spamming or threatening >> >violence, etc. You can't kick someone off of their ISP because they >> >refuse to bottom post(or some other nonsense like that) to your >> >newsgroup- which has that "rule" in the charter. >> >> Erm, actually... >> >> When you use a NG, you accept its charter. >> >> If you break that charter, you are _abusing_ the group. >> >> Therefore _abusing_ usenet. >> >> hence "Usenet abuse" > >Top posting- while annoying- is not a crime worthy of being kicked off >Usenet for and it's a no no on nearly every newsgroup I have ever been >in. > >When it comes to Usenet abuse, I only go by what is considered a no no >by the administrators of Usenet, not by any single newsgroup. > >Smaug69 And you are not an ISP news administrator, who will do whatever the ISP he/she works for says to do, and if the ISP's AUP says that users must agree to abide by the rules and charters of a newsgroup, then that is that. -- Cyo cyohtee@ucan.foad.org http://www.barbarian.org/~cyohtee http://www.barbarian.org Don't eat that. Eating that can cause very large breasts. Oh my God, I'm too late! - Val Kilmer - Real Genius

2003-03-13 19:59:54+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (Will Tingle <Will@YOUR.PANTSwillsbedroom.freeserve.co.uk>)


Smaug69 <smaug86@yahoo.com> 's post included the following: >Will Tingle <Will@YOUR.PANTSwillsbedroom.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in >message news:<xMn8TBUcC8b+EwfG@jtingle.demon.co.uk>... >> When you use a NG, you accept its charter. >> >> If you break that charter, you are _abusing_ the group. >> >> Therefore _abusing_ usenet. >> >> hence "Usenet abuse" > >Top posting- while annoying- is not a crime worthy of being kicked off >Usenet for and it's a no no on nearly every newsgroup I have ever been >in. > >When it comes to Usenet abuse, I only go by what is considered a no no >by the administrators of Usenet, not by any single newsgroup. But it really isn't a question of what _you_ go by, it's what your ISP think that counts. Although they probably won't take one top-posting complaint too seriously, if they get a few about the same person... -- Will Tingle Remove YOUR.PANTS to e-mail -- Petition to get peanut butter M&Ms released in the UK: http://tinyurl.com/6xo3

2003-03-15 11:40:17+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (Neil Sluman <squigs@NOSPAM.postmaster.co.uk>)


Smaug69 wrote: > > > > I'd like to see someone get kicked off Usenet for top posting. > Nope it's true. The perps are usually dealt with by flame wars:) -- Squigs

2003-03-16 14:19:24+00:00 - Re: Buffy timeline updated - (Daisy Hill <daisy.hill@btopenworld.com>)


On 03 Mar 2003 13:22:35 -0500, "Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote: >On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:21:12 -0000, "Andrew Cameron" wrote: >> > So, mentioning the name Wood is now a spoiler in UK groups? Oh wait, you >> posted >> > a post with the word Wood without 50 spaces in front of it! You're a >> Spoiler in >> > the UK group too! I'll see you in the WOODshed. >> >> You outsmart nobody - you piss them off. You are now trolling. STFU, HTH, >> HAND. > >Trolling? no. Annoyed? yes. I'm posting nothing of any spoilerific content, and >people are fuming at me for simply existing. Ignore me.. you win, but if you >challange me, you will loose. Hmm. Now I see the benefits of upgrading my newsreader from FreeAgent to paid-for Agent - I get the use of those handy filters. Sir, you have the great honour to be the very first name in my kill file. Cheery-bye! -- Daisy Hill, Westhoughton, UK ============================