#### 2004-01-28 19:17:39-08:00 - Re: Thoughts on "Damage" (contains Spoilers) - (Slayah <Slayah@hellmouth.com>)

In article <t8tg109tn7d9sh5ouqe97nlr49gmgmog7d@4ax.com>, Bruce in Cleveland says... > >Spoiler Space Countdown > > > > >10 > > > > >9 > > > > >8 > > > > >7 > > > > >6 > > > > >5 > > > > >4 > > > > >3 > > > > > >2 > > > > >1 > > > > >when did Andrew Grow a Set of Testicles? he was nothing like the >Whiny Little Brat thru Season 7 of BtVS. He is 82 percent more manly.

#### 2004-01-28 22:00:58-05:00 - Re: Thoughts on "Damage" (contains Spoilers) - (stephen voss <voss749@bellsouth.net>)

Bruce in Cleveland wrote: > Spoiler Space Countdown > > > > > 10 > > > > > 9 > > > > > 8 > > > > > 7 > > > > > 6 > > > > > 5 > > > > > 4 > > > > > 3 > > > > > > 2 > > > > > 1 > > > > > when did Andrew Grow a Set of Testicles? he was nothing like the > Whiny Little Brat thru Season 7 of BtVS. > > Delusional overconfidence...and having 12 slayers backing you up doesnt hurt.

#### 2004-01-28 22:54:02-05:00 - Re: Thoughts on "Damage" (contains Spoilers) - ("Benjamin F. Elliott" <bfelliott@comcast.net>)

"Bruce in Cleveland" <bmorrison_reply@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:t8tg109tn7d9sh5ouqe97nlr49gmgmog7d@4ax.com... > Spoiler Space Countdown > > > > > 10 > > > > > 9 > > > > > 8 > > > > > 7 > > > > > 6 > > > > > 5 > > > > > 4 > > > > > 3 > > > > > > 2 > > > > > 1 > > > > > when did Andrew Grow a Set of Testicles? he was nothing like the > Whiny Little Brat thru Season 7 of BtVS. > It's basically Wesley Wyndham-Price redux. Take Wesley's character as of the Buffy episode "Graduation Day, part 2". When Wesley turns up on Angel, he's a mess, though already more courageous than in Graduation Day. With some slipups, Wesley makes steady progress in each Angel episode through Faith's return, awkwardly growing into a reliable member of Angel Investigations. Each episode in that set gives you bits of Wesley that reminds you of his Buffy version, but we are seeing him grow. If you went straight from Graduation Day to Faith's first appearance on Angel (season 1, episode 18), you'd be somewhat baffled. When did Wesley grow up? He's nothing like the Whiny Big Brat thru season 3 of BtVS. Andrew's character development has been off-screen (due to the Buffy series having ended). We haven't gotten to see Andrew's equivalent of break dancing, groveling, ogling the alien women, and yet fighting hard to save the day in the abysmal "She" episode. We haven't seen Andrew shoot straight for the first time. We haven't seen Giles tell Andrew that he's part of the team. Take season 1 Wesley and compare him to early season 3 Wesley. Compare that fellow to late season 4 Wesley. Compare that fellow to partial amnesia victim Wesley of season 5 (courtesy of Angel's pact with Wolfram & Hart). It's the same guy, but oh so many changes. If Angel continues onward for a few years, it'd be amusing to have Andrew appear again a bit down the road, having made so many changes of his own. Just don't slit his throat or have him kidnap Buffy's baby who winds up trapped in a demon dimension and growing up psycho. It's been done now. Benjamin F. Elliott http://groups.yahoo.com/group/thisweekindoctorwho

#### 2004-01-29 02:55:50+00:00 - Thoughts on "Damage" (contains Spoilers) - (Bruce in Cleveland <bmorrison_reply@sbcglobal.net>)

Spoiler Space Countdown 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 when did Andrew Grow a Set of Testicles? he was nothing like the Whiny Little Brat thru Season 7 of BtVS.

#### 2004-01-29 03:02:01+00:00 - Re: Thoughts on "Damage" (contains Spoilers) - (Kelzmelzer <kelzmelzer@cfl.reversevampiresr.com>)

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 02:55:50 GMT, Bruce in Cleveland <bmorrison_reply@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >Spoiler Space Countdown > > > > >10 > > > > >9 > > > > >8 > > > > >7 > > > > >6 > > > > >5 > > > > >4 > > > > >3 > > > > > >2 > > > > >1 > > > > >when did Andrew Grow a Set of Testicles? he was nothing like the >Whiny Little Brat thru Season 7 of BtVS. > Oh yes, he was. As much of a childlike geek as ever, with a purpose, some new toys, and a cadre of slayer reinforcements. Hanging around strong and determined people seems to have rubbed off on him.

#### 2004-01-29 03:26:14+00:00 - Re: Thoughts on "Damage" (contains Spoilers) - ("chill@will.com" <chill@will.com>)

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 03:04:41 GMT, Lynda <C12345YourHat@nc.rr.com> wrote: maybe buffy made him her bitch, or giles. >On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 21:55:50 -0500, Bruce in Cleveland wrote >(in message <t8tg109tn7d9sh5ouqe97nlr49gmgmog7d@4ax.com>): > >> Spoiler Space Countdown >> >> >> >> >> 10 >> >> >> >> >> 9 >> >> >> >> >> 8 >> >> >> >> >> 7 >> >> >> >> >> 6 >> >> >> >> >> 5 >> >> >> >> >> 4 >> >> >> >> >> 3 >> >> >> >> >> >> 2 >> >> >> >> >> 1 >> >> >> >> >> when did Andrew Grow a Set of Testicles? he was nothing like the >> Whiny Little Brat thru Season 7 of BtVS. >> >> >He hasbeen training with Giles

#### 2004-01-29 06:50:58+00:00 - Re: Thoughts on "Damage" (contains Spoilers) - (walkietalkie <without@net.bom>)

Bruce in Cleveland wrote: > Spoiler Space Countdown > > 10 > > 9 > > 8 > > 7 > > 6 > > 5 > > 4 > > 3 > > 2 > > 1 > > when did Andrew Grow a Set of Testicles? he was nothing like the > Whiny Little Brat thru Season 7 of BtVS. His power must come from his hair. WT

#### 2004-01-29 08:38:17-08:00 - Re: Thoughts on "Damage" (contains Spoilers) - (reldevik@usa.net)

stephen voss <voss749@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:<YF_Rb.10899$bX5.7102@bignews6.bellsouth.net>... > Bruce in Cleveland wrote: > > > Spoiler Space Countdown > > > > > > > > > > 10 > > > > > > > > > > 9 > > > > > > > > > > 8 > > > > > > > > > > 7 > > > > > > > > > > 6 > > > > > > > > > > 5 > > > > > > > > > > 4 > > > > > > > > > > 3 > > > > > > > > > > > > 2 > > > > > > > > > > 1 > > > > > > > > > > when did Andrew Grow a Set of Testicles? he was nothing like the > > Whiny Little Brat thru Season 7 of BtVS. > > > > > Delusional overconfidence...and having 12 slayers backing you up > doesnt hurt. --The old Andrew was still there at certain moments. E.g., at the docks when he stumbled over the dead body and screamed. My family cracked up watching that. Also, in the final facedown with Angel when his voice wavered on the words "No, we're not going to let you do that" (but then Andrew made a magnificent recovery). 82% more manly means quite a lot, but it doesn't mean a *total* transformation. Clairel

#### 2004-01-29 08:45:34+00:00 - Re: Thoughts on "Damage" (contains Spoilers) - (sillyman@famous.com)

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 02:55:50 GMT, Bruce in Cleveland <bmorrison_reply@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >Spoiler Space Countdown > > > > >10 > > > > >9 > > > > >8 > > > > >7 > > > > >6 > > > > >5 > > > > >4 > > > > >3 > > > > > >2 > > > > >1 > > > > >when did Andrew Grow a Set of Testicles? he was nothing like the >Whiny Little Brat thru Season 7 of BtVS. > Testicles have very little to do with it. My Mother-in-law would kick Andrew's ass. I think she could take Wes 2 out of 5 as well.

#### 2004-01-29 10:39:27-05:00 - Re: Thoughts on "Damage" (contains Spoilers) - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)

In article <401924f0.8486953@News.CIS.DFN.DE>, Fotada <fotada@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 22:00:58 -0500, stephen voss > <voss749@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > >Bruce in Cleveland wrote: > > > >> Spoiler Space Countdown > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> 10 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> 9 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> 8 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> 7 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> 6 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> 5 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> 4 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> 3 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> 2 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> 1 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> when did Andrew Grow a Set of Testicles? he was nothing like the > >> Whiny Little Brat thru Season 7 of BtVS. > >> > >> > >Delusional overconfidence...and having 12 slayers backing you up > >doesnt hurt. > > Yes, and my question is, why didn't those 12 (or so) slayers track and > capture Dana instead of Angel and Spike? As Angel pointed out, a > vampire is the LAST thing Dana needed to see, and besides, Andrew > stated that the Sunndale alums don't trust Angel anymore, so why > didn't Andrew and his little Slayer gang take over from the beginning > and do the job? Who's to say that they *weren't* out looking? Andrew attached himself to the W&H investigation while the Slayers were conducting their own. If the Slayers had found her first, they would have taken her away and Andrew would have told Angel "Okay, some friends of mine found her. See you around." If W&H wasn't to be trusted it would have been foolish to reveal to them that Andrew had a dozen Slayers ready to back him up. -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

#### 2004-01-29 12:39:29-05:00 - Re: Thoughts on "Damage" (contains Spoilers) - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)

In article <1faed770.0401290838.5a2c0319@posting.google.com>, Clairel <reldevik@usa.net> wrote: > 82% more manly means quite a lot, but it doesn't mean a *total* > transformation. > > Clairel And 82% more manly than zero is still zero. -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

#### 2004-01-29 15:24:21+00:00 - Re: Thoughts on "Damage" (contains Spoilers) - (fotada@yahoo.com)

On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 22:00:58 -0500, stephen voss <voss749@bellsouth.net> wrote: >Bruce in Cleveland wrote: > >> Spoiler Space Countdown >> >> >> >> >> 10 >> >> >> >> >> 9 >> >> >> >> >> 8 >> >> >> >> >> 7 >> >> >> >> >> 6 >> >> >> >> >> 5 >> >> >> >> >> 4 >> >> >> >> >> 3 >> >> >> >> >> >> 2 >> >> >> >> >> 1 >> >> >> >> >> when did Andrew Grow a Set of Testicles? he was nothing like the >> Whiny Little Brat thru Season 7 of BtVS. >> >> >Delusional overconfidence...and having 12 slayers backing you up >doesnt hurt. Yes, and my question is, why didn't those 12 (or so) slayers track and capture Dana instead of Angel and Spike? As Angel pointed out, a vampire is the LAST thing Dana needed to see, and besides, Andrew stated that the Sunndale alums don't trust Angel anymore, so why didn't Andrew and his little Slayer gang take over from the beginning and do the job?

#### 2004-01-29 15:58:09+00:00 - Re: Thoughts on "Damage" (contains Spoilers) - (fotada@yahoo.com)

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 10:39:27 -0500, Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net> wrote: >In article <401924f0.8486953@News.CIS.DFN.DE>, Fotada ><fotada@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 22:00:58 -0500, stephen voss >> <voss749@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> >> >Bruce in Cleveland wrote: >> > >> >> Spoiler Space Countdown >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 10 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 9 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 8 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 7 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 6 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 5 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 4 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 3 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 1 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> when did Andrew Grow a Set of Testicles? he was nothing like the >> >> Whiny Little Brat thru Season 7 of BtVS. >> >> >> >> >> >Delusional overconfidence...and having 12 slayers backing you up >> >doesnt hurt. >> >> Yes, and my question is, why didn't those 12 (or so) slayers track and >> capture Dana instead of Angel and Spike? As Angel pointed out, a >> vampire is the LAST thing Dana needed to see, and besides, Andrew >> stated that the Sunndale alums don't trust Angel anymore, so why >> didn't Andrew and his little Slayer gang take over from the beginning >> and do the job? > >Who's to say that they *weren't* out looking? Andrew attached himself >to the W&H investigation while the Slayers were conducting their own. >If the Slayers had found her first, they would have taken her away and >Andrew would have told Angel "Okay, some friends of mine found her. >See you around." > >If W&H wasn't to be trusted it would have been foolish to reveal to >them that Andrew had a dozen Slayers ready to back him up. > "Who's to say?" How about the writers? It's fine to keep some things purposely vague, but some things should be clarified if they want to lend credibility to the story. JMO.