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2004-01-21 20:25:40-06:00 - "Thank you, bear." - (Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


Okay, now that's just wrong. -- Ken from Chicago

2004-01-21 23:12:00-08:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (himiko@animail.net)


"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:<sJqdnWP4muo7qZLdRVn-uw@comcast.com>... > Okay, now that's just wrong. > > -- Ken from Chicago You made a bear! You made a bear! I didn't mean to. Well, unmake it! himiko

2004-01-22 00:34:01-06:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (Zombie Elvis <DELETE-ME-2-REPLY-robertocastillo@ameritech.net>)


It was a time of great turmoil. The strong preyed on the weak, dogs and cats lived together. One voice cried out in the wilderness: "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote in <sJqdnWP4muo7qZLdRVn-uw@comcast.com>: > Okay, now that's just wrong. Maybe they were watching Carnivale while they were making this episode. -- "Screw destiny! Destiny's just another word for inevitable. And nothing's inevitable if you stand up, look it in the eye and say, 'You're evitable.'" -- Winifred Burkle Roberto Castillo robertocastillo@ameritech.net http://www.freewebs.com/robertocastillo/

2004-01-22 09:11:37-08:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (eris_70@yahoo.com)


himiko@animail.net (himiko) wrote in message news:<c7902983.0401212312.58d8fac9@posting.google.com>... > "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:<sJqdnWP4muo7qZLdRVn-uw@comcast.com>... > > Okay, now that's just wrong. > > > > -- Ken from Chicago > > You made a bear! You made a bear! > > I didn't mean to. > > Well, unmake it! > > himiko "you made a bear" is my favourite quote from btvs. it cracks me up every time i think about it.

2004-01-22 14:34:04-08:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (reldevik@usa.net)


Zombie Elvis <DELETE-ME-2-REPLY-robertocastillo@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:<ilru00l159n4k689r5v33aeufscrpjvpgt@4ax.com>... > It was a time of great turmoil. The strong preyed on the weak, dogs > and cats lived together. One voice cried out in the wilderness: "Ken > from Chicago" <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote in > <sJqdnWP4muo7qZLdRVn-uw@comcast.com>: > > > Okay, now that's just wrong. > > Maybe they were watching Carnivale while they were making this > episode. --Carnivale has this kind of surreal absurdism? I should've been watching Carnivale, then. Clairel

2004-01-22 19:09:02-06:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"Alicat" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:l9r010tflvqcglkcdi4u2dqbu8nvat20pa@4ax.com... > On 22 Jan 2004 14:34:04 -0800, reldevik@usa.net (Clairel) wrote: > > >Zombie Elvis <DELETE-ME-2-REPLY-robertocastillo@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:<ilru00l159n4k689r5v33aeufscrpjvpgt@4ax.com>... > >> It was a time of great turmoil. The strong preyed on the weak, dogs > >> and cats lived together. One voice cried out in the wilderness: "Ken > >> from Chicago" <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote in > >> <sJqdnWP4muo7qZLdRVn-uw@comcast.com>: > >> > >> > Okay, now that's just wrong. > >> > >> Maybe they were watching Carnivale while they were making this > >> episode. > > > >--Carnivale has this kind of surreal absurdism? > > > >I should've been watching Carnivale, then. > > > >Clairel > > > Uh, *everyone* should have been watching Carnivale (in my not at all > humble opinion, it was by far the best thing on TV in 2003). However! > You will get another chance later this year - keep checking those HBO > listings! (I subscribed just for Carnivale, by the way) > > adios, > alicat > > no bears on Carnivale, though, sorry. There are snakes. Clancy Brown. Nick Staahl. Totally ruled. -- Ken from Chicago P.S. And Amy wasn't so invisible after all.

2004-01-22 21:06:21-05:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)


In article <l9r010tflvqcglkcdi4u2dqbu8nvat20pa@4ax.com>, Alicat <me@privacy.net> wrote: > On 22 Jan 2004 14:34:04 -0800, reldevik@usa.net (Clairel) wrote: > > >Zombie Elvis <DELETE-ME-2-REPLY-robertocastillo@ameritech.net> wrote in > >message news:<ilru00l159n4k689r5v33aeufscrpjvpgt@4ax.com>... > >> It was a time of great turmoil. The strong preyed on the weak, dogs > >> and cats lived together. One voice cried out in the wilderness: "Ken > >> from Chicago" <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote in > >> <sJqdnWP4muo7qZLdRVn-uw@comcast.com>: > >> > >> > Okay, now that's just wrong. > >> > >> Maybe they were watching Carnivale while they were making this > >> episode. > > > >--Carnivale has this kind of surreal absurdism? > > > >I should've been watching Carnivale, then. > > > >Clairel > > no bears on Carnivale, though, sorry. There are snakes. I was thinking "Hotel New Hampshire" when the bear showed up. But I doubt if it was Nastassja Kinski inside the bear suit. -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

2004-01-22 21:41:07+00:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - ("Scifispace.com" <info@scifispace.com.nospam>)


"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:sJqdnWP4muo7qZLdRVn-uw@comcast.com... > Okay, now that's just wrong. I personally wanted the Cheese guy to show up :) Lori -- Visit our Scifi Sites for fans by fans... www.Scifispace.com www.Scifigamers.com - www.Scifisource.com, www.Scificonventions.com And my store: www.SensualElegance.com & www.mysticconvergence.com

2004-01-23 01:51:06-06:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (Lord Usher <lord_usher@hotmail.com>)


Alicat <me@privacy.net> wrote in news:l9r010tflvqcglkcdi4u2dqbu8nvat20pa@4ax.com: >>--Carnivale has this kind of surreal absurdism? >> >>I should've been watching Carnivale, then. >> >>Clairel > > > Uh, *everyone* should have been watching Carnivale (in my not at all > humble opinion, it was by far the best thing on TV in 2003). Hear, hear! > no bears on Carnivale, though, sorry. There are snakes. There was so a bear! Bruno, remember? With the dismembering and all? -- Lord Usher "I'm here to kill you, not to judge you."

2004-01-23 02:06:05-06:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (Lord Usher <lord_usher@hotmail.com>)


reldevik@usa.net (Clairel) wrote in news:1faed770.0401221434.2837a3de@posting.google.com: >> Maybe they were watching Carnivale while they were making this >> episode. > > --Carnivale has this kind of surreal absurdism? Oh, hells yeah. CARNIVALE even dressed up their dream-bear in a funny hat. > I should've been watching Carnivale, then. Oh, it's a great show. The main story (i.e., Ben's arc) can be frustrating at times, since it moves in fits and starts, when it moves at all. But the fantastic supporting arcs (Brother Justin/Iris, the Cootch Family, Samson) and the unceasingly breathtaking imagery more than make up for any storycomings in the primary tale, at least IMHO... -- Lord Usher "I'm here to kill you, not to judge you."

2004-01-23 02:20:00+00:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (KenM47 <KenM47@ix.netcom.com>)


"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: > >"Alicat" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message >news:l9r010tflvqcglkcdi4u2dqbu8nvat20pa@4ax.com... >> On 22 Jan 2004 14:34:04 -0800, reldevik@usa.net (Clairel) wrote: >> >> >Zombie Elvis <DELETE-ME-2-REPLY-robertocastillo@ameritech.net> wrote in >message news:<ilru00l159n4k689r5v33aeufscrpjvpgt@4ax.com>... >> >> It was a time of great turmoil. The strong preyed on the weak, dogs >> >> and cats lived together. One voice cried out in the wilderness: "Ken >> >> from Chicago" <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote in >> >> <sJqdnWP4muo7qZLdRVn-uw@comcast.com>: >> >> >> >> > Okay, now that's just wrong. >> >> >> >> Maybe they were watching Carnivale while they were making this >> >> episode. >> > >> >--Carnivale has this kind of surreal absurdism? >> > >> >I should've been watching Carnivale, then. >> > >> >Clairel >> >> >> Uh, *everyone* should have been watching Carnivale (in my not at all >> humble opinion, it was by far the best thing on TV in 2003). However! >> You will get another chance later this year - keep checking those HBO >> listings! (I subscribed just for Carnivale, by the way) >> >> adios, >> alicat >> >> no bears on Carnivale, though, sorry. There are snakes. > >Clancy Brown. Nick Staahl. Totally ruled. > >-- Ken from Chicago > >P.S. And Amy wasn't so invisible after all. > And there was a bear too! Even if there was no finish, and hardly a middle. Ken

2004-01-23 06:44:43-06:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"Lord Usher" <lord_usher@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:Xns947914ECD93FEhouseofusher@216.40.28.71... > reldevik@usa.net (Clairel) wrote in > news:1faed770.0401221434.2837a3de@posting.google.com: > > >> Maybe they were watching Carnivale while they were making this > >> episode. > > > > --Carnivale has this kind of surreal absurdism? > > Oh, hells yeah. CARNIVALE even dressed up their dream-bear in a funny hat. > > > I should've been watching Carnivale, then. > > Oh, it's a great show. The main story (i.e., Ben's arc) can be frustrating > at times, since it moves in fits and starts, when it moves at all. But the > fantastic supporting arcs (Brother Justin/Iris, the Cootch Family, Samson) > and the unceasingly breathtaking imagery more than make up for any > storycomings in the primary tale, at least IMHO... > > -- > Lord Usher > "I'm here to kill you, not to judge you." Brother Justin, Iris and that radio reporter is a great story on its own. -- Ken from Chicago

2004-01-23 08:04:34-06:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (Juleen <REMOVEsunryse@centurytel.net>)


KenM47 wrote: > "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: > >> >> "Alicat" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message >> news:l9r010tflvqcglkcdi4u2dqbu8nvat20pa@4ax.com... >>> On 22 Jan 2004 14:34:04 -0800, reldevik@usa.net (Clairel) wrote: >>> >>>> Zombie Elvis <DELETE-ME-2-REPLY-robertocastillo@ameritech.net> >>>> wrote in >> message news:<ilru00l159n4k689r5v33aeufscrpjvpgt@4ax.com>... >>>>> It was a time of great turmoil. The strong preyed on the weak, >>>>> dogs and cats lived together. One voice cried out in the >>>>> wilderness: "Ken from Chicago" >>>>> <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote in >>>>> <sJqdnWP4muo7qZLdRVn-uw@comcast.com>: >>>>> >>>>>> Okay, now that's just wrong. >>>>> >>>>> Maybe they were watching Carnivale while they were making this >>>>> episode. >>>> >>>> --Carnivale has this kind of surreal absurdism? >>>> >>>> I should've been watching Carnivale, then. >>>> >>>> Clairel >>> >>> >>> Uh, *everyone* should have been watching Carnivale (in my not at all >>> humble opinion, it was by far the best thing on TV in 2003). >>> However! You will get another chance later this year - keep >>> checking those HBO listings! (I subscribed just for Carnivale, by >>> the way) >>> >>> adios, >>> alicat >>> >>> no bears on Carnivale, though, sorry. There are snakes. >> >> Clancy Brown. Nick Staahl. Totally ruled. >> >> -- Ken from Chicago >> >> P.S. And Amy wasn't so invisible after all. >> > > And there was a bear too! > > Even if there was no finish, and hardly a middle. > > Ken Not supposed to be a finish, and we just bearly touched the middle. I read it's a three year arc so I figure we're not even to the really good stuff yet. Jul

2004-01-23 11:48:11-08:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (reldevik@usa.net)


"Juleen" <REMOVEsunryse@centurytel.net> wrote in message news:<bur9ls$kr2iu$1@ID-184786.news.uni-berlin.de>... > KenM47 wrote: > > "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: > > > >> > >> "Alicat" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message > >> news:l9r010tflvqcglkcdi4u2dqbu8nvat20pa@4ax.com... > > And there was a bear too! > > > > Even if there was no finish, and hardly a middle. > > > > Ken > > Not supposed to be a finish, and we just bearly touched the middle. --If the writer of this statement were anyone other than who it is, I would have thought that "bearly" was a deliberate witticism. Too bad. Clairel

2004-01-23 11:49:41-06:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (Juleen <REMOVEsunryse@centurytel.net>)


Mark Nobles wrote: > In article <Xns947914ECD93FEhouseofusher@216.40.28.71>, Lord Usher > <lord_usher@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> reldevik@usa.net (Clairel) wrote in >> news:1faed770.0401221434.2837a3de@posting.google.com: >> >>>> Maybe they were watching Carnivale while they were making this >>>> episode. >>> >>> --Carnivale has this kind of surreal absurdism? >> >> Oh, hells yeah. CARNIVALE even dressed up their dream-bear in a >> funny hat. >> >>> I should've been watching Carnivale, then. >> >> Oh, it's a great show. The main story (i.e., Ben's arc) can be >> frustrating at times, since it moves in fits and starts, when it >> moves at all. But the fantastic supporting arcs (Brother >> Justin/Iris, the Cootch Family, Samson) and the unceasingly >> breathtaking imagery more than make up for any storycomings in the >> primary tale, at least IMHO... > > Brother Justin & Iris are not a supporting arc, they are the other > half of the main arc. > > The thing I don't get - this is supposed to be a battle between Good > and Evil. Where's the Good? I have seen only evil and somewhat less > evil. I think that Ben is the good to Justin's evil. What we have seen of Ben's power, while he doesn't know how to control it, it's never been used for evil. Justin's power on the other hand has been. Jul -- Sig Wanted No Experience Necessary

2004-01-23 12:52:20-08:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (kenm47@ix.netcom.com)


"Juleen" <REMOVEsunryse@centurytel.net> wrote in message news:<bur9ls$kr2iu$1@ID-184786.news.uni-berlin.de>... > KenM47 wrote: > > "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: > > > >> > >> "Alicat" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message > >> news:l9r010tflvqcglkcdi4u2dqbu8nvat20pa@4ax.com... > >>> On 22 Jan 2004 14:34:04 -0800, reldevik@usa.net (Clairel) wrote: > >>> > >>>> Zombie Elvis <DELETE-ME-2-REPLY-robertocastillo@ameritech.net> > >>>> wrote in > message news:<ilru00l159n4k689r5v33aeufscrpjvpgt@4ax.com>... > >>>>> It was a time of great turmoil. The strong preyed on the weak, > >>>>> dogs and cats lived together. One voice cried out in the > >>>>> wilderness: "Ken from Chicago" > >>>>> <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote in > >>>>> <sJqdnWP4muo7qZLdRVn-uw@comcast.com>: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Okay, now that's just wrong. > >>>>> > >>>>> Maybe they were watching Carnivale while they were making this > >>>>> episode. > >>>> > >>>> --Carnivale has this kind of surreal absurdism? > >>>> > >>>> I should've been watching Carnivale, then. > >>>> > >>>> Clairel > >>> > >>> > >>> Uh, *everyone* should have been watching Carnivale (in my not at all > >>> humble opinion, it was by far the best thing on TV in 2003). > >>> However! You will get another chance later this year - keep > >>> checking those HBO listings! (I subscribed just for Carnivale, by > >>> the way) > >>> > >>> adios, > >>> alicat > >>> > >>> no bears on Carnivale, though, sorry. There are snakes. > >> > >> Clancy Brown. Nick Staahl. Totally ruled. > >> > >> -- Ken from Chicago > >> > >> P.S. And Amy wasn't so invisible after all. > >> > > > > And there was a bear too! > > > > Even if there was no finish, and hardly a middle. > > > > Ken > > Not supposed to be a finish, and we just bearly touched the middle. I > read it's a three year arc so I figure we're not even to the really good > stuff yet. > > Jul I'm betting against any "really good stuff." I also wonder who (me?) will still be watching a three year show that has one year (or nearly one year) gaps between seasons. I think we got another "the Emperor has got no clothes" situation here. Time will tell (maybe). Ken Ken

2004-01-23 12:53:28-08:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (kenm47@ix.netcom.com)


Mark Nobles <cmn-nospam@houston.rr.com> wrote in message news:<230120040909431297%cmn-nospam@houston.rr.com>... > In article <Xns947914ECD93FEhouseofusher@216.40.28.71>, Lord Usher > <lord_usher@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > reldevik@usa.net (Clairel) wrote in > > news:1faed770.0401221434.2837a3de@posting.google.com: > > > > >> Maybe they were watching Carnivale while they were making this > > >> episode. > > > > > > --Carnivale has this kind of surreal absurdism? > > > > Oh, hells yeah. CARNIVALE even dressed up their dream-bear in a funny hat. > > > > > I should've been watching Carnivale, then. > > > > Oh, it's a great show. The main story (i.e., Ben's arc) can be frustrating > > at times, since it moves in fits and starts, when it moves at all. But the > > fantastic supporting arcs (Brother Justin/Iris, the Cootch Family, Samson) > > and the unceasingly breathtaking imagery more than make up for any > > storycomings in the primary tale, at least IMHO... > > Brother Justin & Iris are not a supporting arc, they are the other half > of the main arc. > > The thing I don't get - this is supposed to be a battle between Good > and Evil. Where's the Good? I have seen only evil and somewhat less > evil. That's very Zen! Ken (who really has no idea what he's talking about here)

2004-01-23 13:54:59-06:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (Juleen <REMOVEsunryse@centurytel.net>)


Clairel wrote: > "Juleen" <REMOVEsunryse@centurytel.net> wrote in message > news:<bur9ls$kr2iu$1@ID-184786.news.uni-berlin.de>... >> KenM47 wrote: >>> "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> "Alicat" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message >>>> news:l9r010tflvqcglkcdi4u2dqbu8nvat20pa@4ax.com... > >>> And there was a bear too! >>> >>> Even if there was no finish, and hardly a middle. >>> >>> Ken >> >> Not supposed to be a finish, and we just bearly touched the middle. > > --If the writer of this statement were anyone other than who it is, I > would have thought that "bearly" was a deliberate witticism. Too bad. > > Clairel Screw you Clairel.

2004-01-23 15:09:44+00:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (Mark Nobles <cmn-nospam@houston.rr.com>)


In article <Xns947914ECD93FEhouseofusher@216.40.28.71>, Lord Usher <lord_usher@hotmail.com> wrote: > reldevik@usa.net (Clairel) wrote in > news:1faed770.0401221434.2837a3de@posting.google.com: > > >> Maybe they were watching Carnivale while they were making this > >> episode. > > > > --Carnivale has this kind of surreal absurdism? > > Oh, hells yeah. CARNIVALE even dressed up their dream-bear in a funny hat. > > > I should've been watching Carnivale, then. > > Oh, it's a great show. The main story (i.e., Ben's arc) can be frustrating > at times, since it moves in fits and starts, when it moves at all. But the > fantastic supporting arcs (Brother Justin/Iris, the Cootch Family, Samson) > and the unceasingly breathtaking imagery more than make up for any > storycomings in the primary tale, at least IMHO... Brother Justin & Iris are not a supporting arc, they are the other half of the main arc. The thing I don't get - this is supposed to be a battle between Good and Evil. Where's the Good? I have seen only evil and somewhat less evil.

2004-01-23 15:14:13-08:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (reldevik@usa.net)


"Juleen" <REMOVEsunryse@centurytel.net> wrote in message news:<buru6a$l5ne1$1@ID-184786.news.uni-berlin.de>... > Clairel wrote: > > "Juleen" <REMOVEsunryse@centurytel.net> wrote in message > > news:<bur9ls$kr2iu$1@ID-184786.news.uni-berlin.de>... > >> KenM47 wrote: > >>> "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> "Alicat" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message > >>>> news:l9r010tflvqcglkcdi4u2dqbu8nvat20pa@4ax.com... > > >>> And there was a bear too! > >>> > >>> Even if there was no finish, and hardly a middle. > >>> > >>> Ken > >> > >> Not supposed to be a finish, and we just bearly touched the middle. > > > > --If the writer of this statement were anyone other than who it is, I > > would have thought that "bearly" was a deliberate witticism. Too bad. > > > > Clairel > > Screw you Clairel. --Ouch! Hey, if the "bearly" was deliberate, I apologize. (Was it deliberate?) Clairel

2004-01-23 18:56:13+00:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (Brent McKee <bSmckee@shaw.caN>)


"Don Sample" <dsample@synapse.net> wrote in message news:220120042106217035%dsample@synapse.net... > In article <l9r010tflvqcglkcdi4u2dqbu8nvat20pa@4ax.com>, Alicat > <me@privacy.net> wrote: > > > On 22 Jan 2004 14:34:04 -0800, reldevik@usa.net (Clairel) wrote: > > > > >Zombie Elvis <DELETE-ME-2-REPLY-robertocastillo@ameritech.net> wrote in > > >message news:<ilru00l159n4k689r5v33aeufscrpjvpgt@4ax.com>... > > >> It was a time of great turmoil. The strong preyed on the weak, dogs > > >> and cats lived together. One voice cried out in the wilderness: "Ken > > >> from Chicago" <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote in > > >> <sJqdnWP4muo7qZLdRVn-uw@comcast.com>: > > >> > > >> > Okay, now that's just wrong. > > >> > > >> Maybe they were watching Carnivale while they were making this > > >> episode. > > > > > >--Carnivale has this kind of surreal absurdism? > > > > > >I should've been watching Carnivale, then. > > > > > >Clairel > > > > > no bears on Carnivale, though, sorry. There are snakes. > > I was thinking "Hotel New Hampshire" when the bear showed up. But I > doubt if it was Nastassja Kinski inside the bear suit. Oddly enough I immediately flashed back to the old "Andy Williams Show" which had a "bear" just like that who was always trying to get a cookie from Andy. Could even have been the same suit. I'm getting old! -- Brent McKee To reply by email, please remove the capital letters (S and N) from the email address "If we cease to judge this world, we may find ourselves, very quickly, in one which is infinitely worse." - Margaret Atwood "Nothing is more dangerous than a dogmatic worldview - nothing more constraining, more blinding to innovation, more destructive of openness to novelty. " - Stephen Jay Gould (1941-2002)

2004-01-23 19:05:01+00:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (Rowan Hawthorn <rowan@someotherplace.com>)


"Brent McKee" <bSmckee@shaw.caN> wrote in message news:h7eQb.242769$X%5.49822@pd7tw2no... > > "Don Sample" <dsample@synapse.net> wrote in message > news:220120042106217035%dsample@synapse.net... > > In article <l9r010tflvqcglkcdi4u2dqbu8nvat20pa@4ax.com>, Alicat > > <me@privacy.net> wrote: > > > > > On 22 Jan 2004 14:34:04 -0800, reldevik@usa.net (Clairel) wrote: > > > > > > >Zombie Elvis <DELETE-ME-2-REPLY-robertocastillo@ameritech.net> > wrote in > > > >message news:<ilru00l159n4k689r5v33aeufscrpjvpgt@4ax.com>... > > > >> It was a time of great turmoil. The strong preyed on the weak, > dogs > > > >> and cats lived together. One voice cried out in the wilderness: > "Ken > > > >> from Chicago" <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote in > > > >> <sJqdnWP4muo7qZLdRVn-uw@comcast.com>: > > > >> > > > >> > Okay, now that's just wrong. > > > >> > > > >> Maybe they were watching Carnivale while they were making this > > > >> episode. > > > > > > > >--Carnivale has this kind of surreal absurdism? > > > > > > > >I should've been watching Carnivale, then. > > > > > > > >Clairel > > > > > > > > no bears on Carnivale, though, sorry. There are snakes. > > > > I was thinking "Hotel New Hampshire" when the bear showed up. But I > > doubt if it was Nastassja Kinski inside the bear suit. > > Oddly enough I immediately flashed back to the old "Andy Williams > Show" which had a "bear" just like that who was always trying to get a > cookie from Andy. Could even have been the same suit. I'm getting > old! And I'd completely forgotten that until now: "No cookie! Not now! NOT EVER! **NEVER!**" (With Williams' voice rising to a pitch approximating that of Dawn's "Get out! Get out! Get out!") IIRC, AW's bear was played by Janos Prohaska. -- Rowan Hawthorn "I love mankind, it's PEOPLE I can't stand!" - Linus Van Pelt

2004-01-23 19:10:38+00:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (Mark Nobles <cmn-nospam@houston.rr.com>)


In article <29o2109imsvsrds5tkdvu2j1j94d79lbrm@4ax.com>, Alicat <me@privacy.net> wrote: > On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 15:09:44 GMT, Mark Nobles > <cmn-nospam@houston.rr.com> wrote: > > >In article <Xns947914ECD93FEhouseofusher@216.40.28.71>, Lord Usher > ><lord_usher@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > >> reldevik@usa.net (Clairel) wrote in > >> news:1faed770.0401221434.2837a3de@posting.google.com: > >> > >> >> Maybe they were watching Carnivale while they were making this > >> >> episode. > >> > > >> > --Carnivale has this kind of surreal absurdism? > >> > >> Oh, hells yeah. CARNIVALE even dressed up their dream-bear in a funny hat. > >> > >> > I should've been watching Carnivale, then. > >> > >> Oh, it's a great show. The main story (i.e., Ben's arc) can be frustrating > >> at times, since it moves in fits and starts, when it moves at all. But the > >> fantastic supporting arcs (Brother Justin/Iris, the Cootch Family, Samson) > >> and the unceasingly breathtaking imagery more than make up for any > >> storycomings in the primary tale, at least IMHO... > > > >Brother Justin & Iris are not a supporting arc, they are the other half > >of the main arc. > > > >The thing I don't get - this is supposed to be a battle between Good > >and Evil. Where's the Good? I have seen only evil and somewhat less > >evil. > > > Ben is very good....he's just in horrible denial and terror. > And I think there is lots of other goodness too: Brother Justin's > mentor (Pa Walton!), the character Adrienne Barbeau plays (sorry, my > brain isn't coming up with any names today), as well as Samson, of > course. > Of course. Yes, there is good in all of them. I think there is even good in Brother Justin, but the source of his power is Evil. But Ben, good as he is, can only use his power to heal by sucking the life out of something else to put into the person he is healing. Maybe I'm being misled about The Battle between Good and Evil. While it clearly comes down to being between the wanted murderer and the priest, it isn't that one is good and one is evil - they are each a bit of both.

2004-01-23 22:37:23-06:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"Clairel" <reldevik@usa.net> wrote in message news:1faed770.0401231148.733bb0f8@posting.google.com... > "Juleen" <REMOVEsunryse@centurytel.net> wrote in message news:<bur9ls$kr2iu$1@ID-184786.news.uni-berlin.de>... > > KenM47 wrote: > > > "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> "Alicat" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message > > >> news:l9r010tflvqcglkcdi4u2dqbu8nvat20pa@4ax.com... > > > > And there was a bear too! > > > > > > Even if there was no finish, and hardly a middle. > > > > > > Ken > > > > Not supposed to be a finish, and we just bearly touched the middle. > > --If the writer of this statement were anyone other than who it is, I > would have thought that "bearly" was a deliberate witticism. Too bad. > > Clairel Shirley she jests? -- Ken from Chicago

2004-01-24 05:23:00-06:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (Juleen <REMOVEsunryse@centurytel.net>)


Clairel wrote: > "Juleen" <REMOVEsunryse@centurytel.net> wrote in message > news:<buru6a$l5ne1$1@ID-184786.news.uni-berlin.de>... >> Clairel wrote: >>> "Juleen" <REMOVEsunryse@centurytel.net> wrote in message >>> news:<bur9ls$kr2iu$1@ID-184786.news.uni-berlin.de>... >>>> KenM47 wrote: >>>>> "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Alicat" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:l9r010tflvqcglkcdi4u2dqbu8nvat20pa@4ax.com... >> >>>>> And there was a bear too! >>>>> >>>>> Even if there was no finish, and hardly a middle. >>>>> >>>>> Ken >>>> >>>> Not supposed to be a finish, and we just bearly touched the >>>> middle. >>> >>> --If the writer of this statement were anyone other than who it is, >>> I would have thought that "bearly" was a deliberate witticism. Too >>> bad. >>> >>> Clairel >> >> Screw you Clairel. > > --Ouch! > > Hey, if the "bearly" was deliberate, I apologize. (Was it > deliberate?) > > Clairel Yes it was deliberate.

2004-01-24 08:02:41-06:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"Juleen" <REMOVEsunryse@centurytel.net> wrote in message news:butkiu$lgi7f$1@ID-184786.news.uni-berlin.de... > Clairel wrote: > > "Juleen" <REMOVEsunryse@centurytel.net> wrote in message > > news:<buru6a$l5ne1$1@ID-184786.news.uni-berlin.de>... > >> Clairel wrote: > >>> "Juleen" <REMOVEsunryse@centurytel.net> wrote in message > >>> news:<bur9ls$kr2iu$1@ID-184786.news.uni-berlin.de>... > >>>> KenM47 wrote: > >>>>> "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> "Alicat" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message > >>>>>> news:l9r010tflvqcglkcdi4u2dqbu8nvat20pa@4ax.com... > >> > >>>>> And there was a bear too! > >>>>> > >>>>> Even if there was no finish, and hardly a middle. > >>>>> > >>>>> Ken > >>>> > >>>> Not supposed to be a finish, and we just bearly touched the > >>>> middle. > >>> > >>> --If the writer of this statement were anyone other than who it is, > >>> I would have thought that "bearly" was a deliberate witticism. Too > >>> bad. > >>> > >>> Clairel > >> > >> Screw you Clairel. > > > > --Ouch! > > > > Hey, if the "bearly" was deliberate, I apologize. (Was it > > deliberate?) > > > > Clairel > > Yes it was deliberate. Sheesh, can't we all just . .. grin and . . . bear . . . it? -- Ken from Chicago (g, d and r!)

2004-01-24 08:04:55-06:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"Mark Nobles" <cmn-nospam@houston.rr.com> wrote in message news:230120040909431297%cmn-nospam@houston.rr.com... > In article <Xns947914ECD93FEhouseofusher@216.40.28.71>, Lord Usher > <lord_usher@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > reldevik@usa.net (Clairel) wrote in > > news:1faed770.0401221434.2837a3de@posting.google.com: > > > > >> Maybe they were watching Carnivale while they were making this > > >> episode. > > > > > > --Carnivale has this kind of surreal absurdism? > > > > Oh, hells yeah. CARNIVALE even dressed up their dream-bear in a funny hat. > > > > > I should've been watching Carnivale, then. > > > > Oh, it's a great show. The main story (i.e., Ben's arc) can be frustrating > > at times, since it moves in fits and starts, when it moves at all. But the > > fantastic supporting arcs (Brother Justin/Iris, the Cootch Family, Samson) > > and the unceasingly breathtaking imagery more than make up for any > > storycomings in the primary tale, at least IMHO... > > Brother Justin & Iris are not a supporting arc, they are the other half > of the main arc. > > The thing I don't get - this is supposed to be a battle between Good > and Evil. Where's the Good? I have seen only evil and somewhat less > evil. Who said it was a battle between Good and Evil? -- Ken from Chicago P.S. Then again ANGEL is about powerful evil being trying to atone and fight not only evil, but the seductive, easy (at least in the short term) side of evil.

2004-01-24 08:06:54-06:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"Juleen" <REMOVEsunryse@centurytel.net> wrote in message news:burmru$lc1nn$1@ID-184786.news.uni-berlin.de... > Mark Nobles wrote: > > In article <Xns947914ECD93FEhouseofusher@216.40.28.71>, Lord Usher > > <lord_usher@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > >> reldevik@usa.net (Clairel) wrote in > >> news:1faed770.0401221434.2837a3de@posting.google.com: > >> > >>>> Maybe they were watching Carnivale while they were making this > >>>> episode. > >>> > >>> --Carnivale has this kind of surreal absurdism? > >> > >> Oh, hells yeah. CARNIVALE even dressed up their dream-bear in a > >> funny hat. > >> > >>> I should've been watching Carnivale, then. > >> > >> Oh, it's a great show. The main story (i.e., Ben's arc) can be > >> frustrating at times, since it moves in fits and starts, when it > >> moves at all. But the fantastic supporting arcs (Brother > >> Justin/Iris, the Cootch Family, Samson) and the unceasingly > >> breathtaking imagery more than make up for any storycomings in the > >> primary tale, at least IMHO... > > > > Brother Justin & Iris are not a supporting arc, they are the other > > half of the main arc. > > > > The thing I don't get - this is supposed to be a battle between Good > > and Evil. Where's the Good? I have seen only evil and somewhat less > > evil. > > I think that Ben is the good to Justin's evil. What we have seen of > Ben's power, while he doesn't know how to control it, it's never been > used for evil. Justin's power on the other hand has been. > > Jul > > -- > Sig Wanted > No Experience Necessary Remember, Ben is wanted for murder. Who knows if he used his power for evil. Then again he killed so he COULD use his power to save someone he loved. -- Ken from Chicago

2004-01-24 08:08:23-06:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"Alicat" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:29o2109imsvsrds5tkdvu2j1j94d79lbrm@4ax.com... > On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 15:09:44 GMT, Mark Nobles > <cmn-nospam@houston.rr.com> wrote: > > >In article <Xns947914ECD93FEhouseofusher@216.40.28.71>, Lord Usher > ><lord_usher@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > >> reldevik@usa.net (Clairel) wrote in > >> news:1faed770.0401221434.2837a3de@posting.google.com: > >> > >> >> Maybe they were watching Carnivale while they were making this > >> >> episode. > >> > > >> > --Carnivale has this kind of surreal absurdism? > >> > >> Oh, hells yeah. CARNIVALE even dressed up their dream-bear in a funny hat. > >> > >> > I should've been watching Carnivale, then. > >> > >> Oh, it's a great show. The main story (i.e., Ben's arc) can be frustrating > >> at times, since it moves in fits and starts, when it moves at all. But the > >> fantastic supporting arcs (Brother Justin/Iris, the Cootch Family, Samson) > >> and the unceasingly breathtaking imagery more than make up for any > >> storycomings in the primary tale, at least IMHO... > > > >Brother Justin & Iris are not a supporting arc, they are the other half > >of the main arc. > > > >The thing I don't get - this is supposed to be a battle between Good > >and Evil. Where's the Good? I have seen only evil and somewhat less > >evil. > > > Ben is very good....he's just in horrible denial and terror. > And I think there is lots of other goodness too: Brother Justin's > mentor (Pa Walton!), the character Adrienne Barbeau plays (sorry, my > brain isn't coming up with any names today), as well as Samson, of > course. > > adios, > alicat > Actually, Justin was quite good--until he lost his faith in God. -- Ken from Chicago

2004-01-24 08:09:06-06:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"Mark Nobles" <cmn-nospam@houston.rr.com> wrote in message news:230120041310388561%cmn-nospam@houston.rr.com... > In article <29o2109imsvsrds5tkdvu2j1j94d79lbrm@4ax.com>, Alicat > <me@privacy.net> wrote: > > > On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 15:09:44 GMT, Mark Nobles > > <cmn-nospam@houston.rr.com> wrote: > > > > >In article <Xns947914ECD93FEhouseofusher@216.40.28.71>, Lord Usher > > ><lord_usher@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> reldevik@usa.net (Clairel) wrote in > > >> news:1faed770.0401221434.2837a3de@posting.google.com: > > >> > > >> >> Maybe they were watching Carnivale while they were making this > > >> >> episode. > > >> > > > >> > --Carnivale has this kind of surreal absurdism? > > >> > > >> Oh, hells yeah. CARNIVALE even dressed up their dream-bear in a funny hat. > > >> > > >> > I should've been watching Carnivale, then. > > >> > > >> Oh, it's a great show. The main story (i.e., Ben's arc) can be frustrating > > >> at times, since it moves in fits and starts, when it moves at all. But the > > >> fantastic supporting arcs (Brother Justin/Iris, the Cootch Family, Samson) > > >> and the unceasingly breathtaking imagery more than make up for any > > >> storycomings in the primary tale, at least IMHO... > > > > > >Brother Justin & Iris are not a supporting arc, they are the other half > > >of the main arc. > > > > > >The thing I don't get - this is supposed to be a battle between Good > > >and Evil. Where's the Good? I have seen only evil and somewhat less > > >evil. > > > > > > Ben is very good....he's just in horrible denial and terror. > > And I think there is lots of other goodness too: Brother Justin's > > mentor (Pa Walton!), the character Adrienne Barbeau plays (sorry, my > > brain isn't coming up with any names today), as well as Samson, of > > course. > > > Of course. Yes, there is good in all of them. I think there is even > good in Brother Justin, but the source of his power is Evil. But Ben, > good as he is, can only use his power to heal by sucking the life out > of something else to put into the person he is healing. > > Maybe I'm being misled about The Battle between Good and Evil. While it > clearly comes down to being between the wanted murderer and the priest, > it isn't that one is good and one is evil - they are each a bit of > both. Whoa, how do you know the Source of Justin's power is evil? -- Ken from Chicago

2004-01-24 08:10:19-06:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"Alicat" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:t1g3105rip1jn425igd8j30phudfco0hra@4ax.com... > On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 19:10:38 GMT, Mark Nobles > <cmn-nospam@houston.rr.com> wrote: > > >In article <29o2109imsvsrds5tkdvu2j1j94d79lbrm@4ax.com>, Alicat > ><me@privacy.net> wrote: > > > >> On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 15:09:44 GMT, Mark Nobles > >> <cmn-nospam@houston.rr.com> wrote: > >> > >> >In article <Xns947914ECD93FEhouseofusher@216.40.28.71>, Lord Usher > >> ><lord_usher@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> reldevik@usa.net (Clairel) wrote in > >> >> news:1faed770.0401221434.2837a3de@posting.google.com: > >> >> > >> >> >> Maybe they were watching Carnivale while they were making this > >> >> >> episode. > >> >> > > >> >> > --Carnivale has this kind of surreal absurdism? > >> >> > >> >> Oh, hells yeah. CARNIVALE even dressed up their dream-bear in a funny hat. > >> >> > >> >> > I should've been watching Carnivale, then. > >> >> > >> >> Oh, it's a great show. The main story (i.e., Ben's arc) can be frustrating > >> >> at times, since it moves in fits and starts, when it moves at all. But the > >> >> fantastic supporting arcs (Brother Justin/Iris, the Cootch Family, Samson) > >> >> and the unceasingly breathtaking imagery more than make up for any > >> >> storycomings in the primary tale, at least IMHO... > >> > > >> >Brother Justin & Iris are not a supporting arc, they are the other half > >> >of the main arc. > >> > > >> >The thing I don't get - this is supposed to be a battle between Good > >> >and Evil. Where's the Good? I have seen only evil and somewhat less > >> >evil. > >> > >> > >> Ben is very good....he's just in horrible denial and terror. > >> And I think there is lots of other goodness too: Brother Justin's > >> mentor (Pa Walton!), the character Adrienne Barbeau plays (sorry, my > >> brain isn't coming up with any names today), as well as Samson, of > >> course. > >> > >Of course. Yes, there is good in all of them. I think there is even > >good in Brother Justin, but the source of his power is Evil. But Ben, > >good as he is, can only use his power to heal by sucking the life out > >of something else to put into the person he is healing. > > > >Maybe I'm being misled about The Battle between Good and Evil. While it > >clearly comes down to being between the wanted murderer and the priest, > >it isn't that one is good and one is evil - they are each a bit of > >both. > > > AHA! Well, you see that is exactly, precisely why I am totally in love > with Carnivale: it is actually an *adult* (i.e. not childish) take on > all these issues and an incredible breath of fresh air (not that there > is any fresh air on the show itself!) in comparison with almost > everything else out there. I appreciate that the arc is about Good and > Evil and everything in between - its so wonderfully ambitious! And > every single character is involved in acting in this cosmic struggle, > so you don't get significant people standing around in the background > (Wes, Gunn) or brought in merely for comic relief (Lorne, Harmony). > > Last time I liked a show so well right away was probably first season > Twin Peaks, and then Millennium. So its pretty obvious I have "dark" > tastes in TV :) > > adios, > alicat But it's even better. It's not just "dark". It's "gray". -- Ken from Chicago (who stands between the candle and the star)

2004-01-24 09:54:21-06:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (Juleen <REMOVEsunryse@centurytel.net>)


Ken from Chicago wrote: > > Remember, Ben is wanted for murder. Who knows if he used his power > for evil. > > Then again he killed so he COULD use his power to save someone he > loved. > > -- Ken from Chicago Yes but the person he killed was evil...um, I think he was evil. With this show who can tell. That's one of the things I like about Carnivale, it's not like the Buffyverse with clear cut lines of good and evil, even when those lines got blurred. Take The Boss in the trailer for instance, I'm still trying to decide if it's God or the devil because it could go either way. Every character is good and evil, and a case could be made for which side each is on. I think it's a good look at the human condition, all are flawed with none standing out as better than the next. Each character does what they do because they are human and not just because they are "special" in some way. Just like in real life people do what they do for money, sex, power, respect, etc. I just find that more fasinating than the "I'm special" story that JW keeps feeding us. Jul

2004-01-24 10:13:18-06:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (Juleen <REMOVEsunryse@centurytel.net>)


Ken from Chicago wrote: > Who said it was a battle between Good and Evil? At the beginning of the first episode Samson says, " in every generation a slayer is born"...oops sorry, wrong show. It says, "in every generation was born a creature of light and a creature of darkness...and great armies will clash in the ancient war over good and evil."

2004-01-24 14:35:23-06:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (Lord Usher <lord_usher@hotmail.com>)


Mark Nobles <cmn-nospam@houston.rr.com> wrote in news:230120040909431297%cmn-nospam@houston.rr.com: [re: CARNIVALE] > The thing I don't get - this is supposed to be a battle between Good > and Evil. Where's the Good? I have seen only evil and somewhat less > evil. It's not the character themselves that are Good and Evil; it's their powers, their destinies. One of them is supposed to be Good, and one of them is supposed to be Evil, but it's up to each one to accept or reject his respective destiny. Though arguably one character is further along than the other, neither one has yet embraced his destiny so fully that he himself could be considered wholly Good or Evil. -- Lord Usher "I'm here to kill you, not to judge you."

2004-01-24 14:44:13-06:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (Lord Usher <lord_usher@hotmail.com>)


kenm47@ix.netcom.com (kenm47) wrote in news:4c527512.0401231252.386fdc0b@posting.google.com: >> Not supposed to be a finish, and we just bearly touched the middle. >> I read it's a three year arc so I figure we're not even to the really >> good stuff yet. >> >> Jul > > I'm betting against any "really good stuff." I also wonder who (me?) > will still be watching a three year show that has one year (or nearly > one year) gaps between seasons. I think we got another "the Emperor > has got no clothes" situation here. > > Time will tell (maybe). I wish the writers hadn't gotten so damn coy later in the season, because it sometimes felt like they were witholding information just to be mysterious, and not because it made sense in terms of the story or characters. But, from the way things hang together, I do get the impression that there is real information that the writers are witholding, that it's not all sound and fury. It's the difference between the Emperor having no clothes, and the Emperor standing behind a curtain all the time so you can't see what he's wearing. -- Lord Usher "I'm here to kill you, not to judge you."

2004-01-24 14:59:15-06:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (Lord Usher <lord_usher@hotmail.com>)


Alicat <me@privacy.net> wrote in news:44o210lporlmqanhbc419tr1h1f5inmp94@ 4ax.com: >>> no bears on Carnivale, though, sorry. There are snakes. >> >>There was so a bear! Bruno, remember? With the dismembering and all? > > > You are so right....I forgot Bruno....I'm still shuddering at the > memory of so much stuff in that show. Remember the baby in the jar > that opened its eyes inside that trailer that then wasn't there > anymore? Heh. I love that sequence, especially Ben's frustration that everyone thinks he's been played: "We don't got no baggage trailer; nobody's got a baggage trailer. It's an old carnie gag, like hunting for snipe. Send some poor chowderhead out searching for something that don't exist." "I was in there!" "Where?" "The baggage trailer, goddammit!" -- Lord Usher "I'm here to kill you, not to judge you."

2004-01-24 15:20:15-08:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (reldevik@usa.net)


"Juleen" <REMOVEsunryse@centurytel.net> wrote in message news:<butkiu$lgi7f$1@ID-184786.news.uni-berlin.de>... > Clairel wrote: > > "Juleen" <REMOVEsunryse@centurytel.net> wrote in message > > news:<buru6a$l5ne1$1@ID-184786.news.uni-berlin.de>... > >> Clairel wrote: > >>> "Juleen" <REMOVEsunryse@centurytel.net> wrote in message > >>> news:<bur9ls$kr2iu$1@ID-184786.news.uni-berlin.de>... > >>>> KenM47 wrote: > >>>>> "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> "Alicat" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message > >>>>>> news:l9r010tflvqcglkcdi4u2dqbu8nvat20pa@4ax.com... > > >>>>> And there was a bear too! > >>>>> > >>>>> Even if there was no finish, and hardly a middle. > >>>>> > >>>>> Ken > >>>> > >>>> Not supposed to be a finish, and we just bearly touched the > >>>> middle. > >>> > >>> --If the writer of this statement were anyone other than who it is, > >>> I would have thought that "bearly" was a deliberate witticism. Too > >>> bad. > >>> > >>> Clairel > >> > >> Screw you Clairel. > > > > --Ouch! > > > > Hey, if the "bearly" was deliberate, I apologize. (Was it > > deliberate?) > > > > Clairel > > Yes it was deliberate. --Then I apologize. Anyway, I was trying for light humor. Sorry if you found it unbearable. Clairel

2004-01-24 16:12:19-06:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"Alicat" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:ffh510pkhvanghl5grkr26c9jv3ro32j0l@4ax.com... > On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 08:08:23 -0600, "Ken from Chicago" > <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote: > > > > >"Alicat" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message > >news:29o2109imsvsrds5tkdvu2j1j94d79lbrm@4ax.com... > >> On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 15:09:44 GMT, Mark Nobles > >> <cmn-nospam@houston.rr.com> wrote: > >> > >> >In article <Xns947914ECD93FEhouseofusher@216.40.28.71>, Lord Usher > >> ><lord_usher@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> reldevik@usa.net (Clairel) wrote in > >> >> news:1faed770.0401221434.2837a3de@posting.google.com: > >> >> > >> >> >> Maybe they were watching Carnivale while they were making this > >> >> >> episode. > >> >> > > >> >> > --Carnivale has this kind of surreal absurdism? > >> >> > >> >> Oh, hells yeah. CARNIVALE even dressed up their dream-bear in a funny > >hat. > >> >> > >> >> > I should've been watching Carnivale, then. > >> >> > >> >> Oh, it's a great show. The main story (i.e., Ben's arc) can be > >frustrating > >> >> at times, since it moves in fits and starts, when it moves at all. But > >the > >> >> fantastic supporting arcs (Brother Justin/Iris, the Cootch Family, > >Samson) > >> >> and the unceasingly breathtaking imagery more than make up for any > >> >> storycomings in the primary tale, at least IMHO... > >> > > >> >Brother Justin & Iris are not a supporting arc, they are the other half > >> >of the main arc. > >> > > >> >The thing I don't get - this is supposed to be a battle between Good > >> >and Evil. Where's the Good? I have seen only evil and somewhat less > >> >evil. > >> > >> > >> Ben is very good....he's just in horrible denial and terror. > >> And I think there is lots of other goodness too: Brother Justin's > >> mentor (Pa Walton!), the character Adrienne Barbeau plays (sorry, my > >> brain isn't coming up with any names today), as well as Samson, of > >> course. > >> > >> adios, > >> alicat > >> > > > >Actually, Justin was quite good--until he lost his faith in God. > > > >-- Ken from Chicago > > > An event engineered by his adorable sister (not!) Iris, but still his > choice....it was a Brilliant! example of one of the seven deadly sins: > I can't remember the Latin word (accide? sp?) but it translates to > "despair" or "bitterness". And, yes, Brother Justin certainly has the > potential to turn it around. We will see.... > > adios, > alicat > Who is more "good" than the recently reformed? Who is more "bad" than one who has recently lost their faith? -- Ken from Chicago P.S. "I'm serious. Responsible people are . . . always so concerned with . . . being good all the time, that when they finally get a taste of being bad . . . they can't get enough. It's like all . . . kablooey."--'Anya', BTVS, "Smashed".

2004-01-24 16:13:58-06:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"Juleen" <REMOVEsunryse@centurytel.net> wrote in message news:buu5jj$l9jeh$1@ID-184786.news.uni-berlin.de... > Ken from Chicago wrote: > > > Who said it was a battle between Good and Evil? > > > At the beginning of the first episode Samson says, " in every generation > a slayer is born"...oops sorry, wrong show. It says, "in every > generation was born a creature of light and a creature of darkness...and > great armies will clash in the ancient war over good and evil." So Ben is the one boy in all the world chosen to fight the rogue preachers, demons and forces of darkness? -- Ken from Chicago

2004-01-24 16:14:57-06:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"Lord Usher" <lord_usher@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:Xns947A93F516BABhouseofusher@216.40.28.72... > Mark Nobles <cmn-nospam@houston.rr.com> wrote in > news:230120040909431297%cmn-nospam@houston.rr.com: > > [re: CARNIVALE] > > > The thing I don't get - this is supposed to be a battle between Good > > and Evil. Where's the Good? I have seen only evil and somewhat less > > evil. > > It's not the character themselves that are Good and Evil; it's their > powers, their destinies. One of them is supposed to be Good, and one of > them is supposed to be Evil, but it's up to each one to accept or reject > his respective destiny. > > Though arguably one character is further along than the other, neither one > has yet embraced his destiny so fully that he himself could be considered > wholly Good or Evil. > > -- > Lord Usher > "I'm here to kill you, not to judge you." Of course, like Luke and Vader, evil, the dark side, is easier (in the short-term), faster. -- Ken from Chicago

2004-01-24 20:52:14+00:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (KenM47 <KenM47@ix.netcom.com>)


Lord Usher <lord_usher@hotmail.com> wrote: >kenm47@ix.netcom.com (kenm47) wrote in >news:4c527512.0401231252.386fdc0b@posting.google.com: > >>> Not supposed to be a finish, and we just bearly touched the middle. >>> I read it's a three year arc so I figure we're not even to the really >>> good stuff yet. >>> >>> Jul >> >> I'm betting against any "really good stuff." I also wonder who (me?) >> will still be watching a three year show that has one year (or nearly >> one year) gaps between seasons. I think we got another "the Emperor >> has got no clothes" situation here. >> >> Time will tell (maybe). > >I wish the writers hadn't gotten so damn coy later in the season, because >it sometimes felt like they were witholding information just to be >mysterious, and not because it made sense in terms of the story or >characters. But, from the way things hang together, I do get the impression >that there is real information that the writers are witholding, that it's >not all sound and fury. > >It's the difference between the Emperor having no clothes, and the Emperor >standing behind a curtain all the time so you can't see what he's wearing. Like I said, time will tell - IF it really does make it to S2 and then a S3. I preferred JW's approach in Buffy S1 - an actual ending if the show does not come back. Another gutsy move on his part in those days, IMO. Ken

2004-01-26 22:18:08-06:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (Lord Usher <lord_usher@hotmail.com>)


KenM47 <KenM47@ix.netcom.com> wrote in news:kmm510dl2of39bt9b8lmktqg4b8g06vgi1@4ax.com: [re: CARNIVALE] >>I wish the writers hadn't gotten so damn coy later in the season, >>because it sometimes felt like they were witholding information just >>to be mysterious, and not because it made sense in terms of the story >>or characters. But, from the way things hang together, I do get the >>impression that there is real information that the writers are >>witholding, that it's not all sound and fury. >> >>It's the difference between the Emperor having no clothes, and the >>Emperor standing behind a curtain all the time so you can't see what >>he's wearing. > > Like I said, time will tell - IF it really does make it to S2 and then > a S3. HBO has already ordered 13 more episodes, to premiere next fall or winter. > I preferred JW's approach in Buffy S1 - an actual ending if the show > does not come back. Well, CARNIVALE is not the kind of story that really lends itself to a true ending at this point. But I agree that the season would've seemed more whole, more complete, if the writers had tied off a few more of the loose ends. There's one particular reveal that would've made the season immensely stronger, IMHO -- an explanation of what the terrible event in the Old Country was. I *think* I know where they're going with that particular thread, and if I'm right a brief explanation would've tied together a lot of the season's most baffling images, offering if not closure, then at least the reassurance that everything does hang have greater meaning, that it's not all just weird-ass shit for the sake of weird-ass shit. -- Lord Usher "I'm here to kill you, not to judge you."

2004-01-27 05:39:33-08:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (kenm47@ix.netcom.com)


Lord Usher <lord_usher@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<Xns947CE2849EDDDhouseofusher@216.40.28.70>... > KenM47 <KenM47@ix.netcom.com> wrote in > news:kmm510dl2of39bt9b8lmktqg4b8g06vgi1@4ax.com: > > [re: CARNIVALE] > > >>I wish the writers hadn't gotten so damn coy later in the season, > >>because it sometimes felt like they were witholding information just > >>to be mysterious, and not because it made sense in terms of the story > >>or characters. But, from the way things hang together, I do get the > >>impression that there is real information that the writers are > >>witholding, that it's not all sound and fury. > >> > >>It's the difference between the Emperor having no clothes, and the > >>Emperor standing behind a curtain all the time so you can't see what > >>he's wearing. > > > > Like I said, time will tell - IF it really does make it to S2 and then > > a S3. > > HBO has already ordered 13 more episodes, to premiere next fall or > winter. > > > I preferred JW's approach in Buffy S1 - an actual ending if the show > > does not come back. > > Well, CARNIVALE is not the kind of story that really lends itself to a > true ending at this point. But I agree that the season would've seemed > more whole, more complete, if the writers had tied off a few more of the > loose ends. > > There's one particular reveal that would've made the season immensely > stronger, IMHO -- an explanation of what the terrible event in the Old > Country was. I *think* I know where they're going with that particular > thread, and if I'm right a brief explanation would've tied together a > lot of the season's most baffling images, offering if not closure, then > at least the reassurance that everything does hang have greater meaning, > that it's not all just weird-ass shit for the sake of weird-ass shit. "just weird-ass shit for the sake of weird-ass shit" That does capture my present perception. Succinctly said, thanks. We'll see (although I doubt I'll remember where I was when the show resumes, and I don't plan to buy the inevitable DVDs or watch the expected rerun of S1 just prior to S2). Ken

2004-01-27 06:21:16-06:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"Lord Usher" <lord_usher@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:Xns947CE2849EDDDhouseofusher@216.40.28.70... > KenM47 <KenM47@ix.netcom.com> wrote in > news:kmm510dl2of39bt9b8lmktqg4b8g06vgi1@4ax.com: > > [re: CARNIVALE] > > >>I wish the writers hadn't gotten so damn coy later in the season, > >>because it sometimes felt like they were witholding information just > >>to be mysterious, and not because it made sense in terms of the story > >>or characters. But, from the way things hang together, I do get the > >>impression that there is real information that the writers are > >>witholding, that it's not all sound and fury. > >> > >>It's the difference between the Emperor having no clothes, and the > >>Emperor standing behind a curtain all the time so you can't see what > >>he's wearing. > > > > Like I said, time will tell - IF it really does make it to S2 and then > > a S3. > > HBO has already ordered 13 more episodes, to premiere next fall or > winter. > > > I preferred JW's approach in Buffy S1 - an actual ending if the show > > does not come back. > > Well, CARNIVALE is not the kind of story that really lends itself to a > true ending at this point. But I agree that the season would've seemed > more whole, more complete, if the writers had tied off a few more of the > loose ends. > > There's one particular reveal that would've made the season immensely > stronger, IMHO -- an explanation of what the terrible event in the Old > Country was. I *think* I know where they're going with that particular > thread, and if I'm right a brief explanation would've tied together a > lot of the season's most baffling images, offering if not closure, then > at least the reassurance that everything does hang have greater meaning, > that it's not all just weird-ass shit for the sake of weird-ass shit. > > -- > Lord Usher > "I'm here to kill you, not to judge you." Well, don't just sit there all regal and lordly like, spill the cat out of the beanbag! -- Ken from Chicago

2004-01-27 14:48:08-06:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (Lord Usher <lord_usher@hotmail.com>)


"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote in news:IYOdne7wAoAiyovdRVn-jg@comcast.com: >> Well, CARNIVALE is not the kind of story that really lends itself to >> a true ending at this point. But I agree that the season would've >> seemed more whole, more complete, if the writers had tied off a few >> more of the loose ends. >> >> There's one particular reveal that would've made the season immensely >> stronger, IMHO -- an explanation of what the terrible event in the >> Old Country was. I *think* I know where they're going with that >> particular thread, and if I'm right a brief explanation would've tied >> together a lot of the season's most baffling images, offering if not >> closure, then at least the reassurance that everything does hang have >> greater meaning, that it's not all just weird-ass shit for the sake >> of weird-ass shit. > > Well, don't just sit there all regal and lordly like, spill the cat > out of the beanbag! Spoilers for season 1 of CARNIVALE... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . My idea is nothing hugely innovative. It's a possibility I've seen a lot of other fans considering -- that the horrible event in the Old Country was the WW1 sequence we saw in Ben's dreams, where the Russian soldier, one of the previous generation's avatars, got his limbs chewed off by Lodz's bear. Further, I'm not alone in suspecting that Management *is* the Russian soldier, weakened and confined to his trailer because Bruno ate his legs. Anyway, if I'm correct, I think the season would've seemed far more coherent if the writers had revealed some of these connections, if only because it confirms that Ben's weird dreams about bears and dismembered soldiers are not completely random nonsense. -- Lord Usher "I'm here to kill you, not to judge you."

2004-01-27 22:52:58-06:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (Zombie Elvis <DELETE-ME-2-REPLY-robertocastillo@ameritech.net>)


It was a time of great turmoil. The strong preyed on the weak, dogs and cats lived together. One voice cried out in the wilderness: "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote in <DIadnX569NUZ4Y_dRVn-hQ@comcast.com>: > > "Mark Nobles" <cmn-nospam@houston.rr.com> wrote in message > news:230120041310388561%cmn-nospam@houston.rr.com... > > Maybe I'm being misled about The Battle between Good and Evil. While it > > clearly comes down to being between the wanted murderer and the priest, > > it isn't that one is good and one is evil - they are each a bit of > > both. > > Whoa, how do you know the Source of Justin's power is evil? > Well for one thing, it seems pretty unambiguous when he reveals to the bishop that his most evil act was saving his life as a child. For another, there's the nature of the power itself. He can literally see the sins and suffering of the people around him. Even before the church was burned down, Justin looked like he was well on his way to a nervous breakdown from "seeing" all of the horrible crimes that had been perpetrated against the orphans he'd taken in -- it just seems like a power that is too overwhelming for anyone who isn't evil. Only a cold, black heart could see evil all around him and not be appalled. -- "Screw destiny! Destiny's just another word for inevitable. And nothing's inevitable if you stand up, look it in the eye and say, 'You're evitable.'" -- Winifred Burkle Roberto Castillo robertocastillo@ameritech.net http://www.freewebs.com/robertocastillo/

2004-01-27 23:39:19+00:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (KenM47 <KenM47@ix.netcom.com>)


Lord Usher <lord_usher@hotmail.com> wrote: >"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote in >news:IYOdne7wAoAiyovdRVn-jg@comcast.com: > >>> Well, CARNIVALE is not the kind of story that really lends itself to >>> a true ending at this point. But I agree that the season would've >>> seemed more whole, more complete, if the writers had tied off a few >>> more of the loose ends. >>> >>> There's one particular reveal that would've made the season immensely >>> stronger, IMHO -- an explanation of what the terrible event in the >>> Old Country was. I *think* I know where they're going with that >>> particular thread, and if I'm right a brief explanation would've tied >>> together a lot of the season's most baffling images, offering if not >>> closure, then at least the reassurance that everything does hang have >>> greater meaning, that it's not all just weird-ass shit for the sake >>> of weird-ass shit. >> >> Well, don't just sit there all regal and lordly like, spill the cat >> out of the beanbag! > > >Spoilers for season 1 of CARNIVALE... >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >My idea is nothing hugely innovative. It's a possibility I've seen a lot >of other fans considering -- that the horrible event in the Old Country >was the WW1 sequence we saw in Ben's dreams, where the Russian soldier, >one of the previous generation's avatars, got his limbs chewed off by >Lodz's bear. > >Further, I'm not alone in suspecting that Management *is* the Russian >soldier, weakened and confined to his trailer because Bruno ate his >legs. > >Anyway, if I'm correct, I think the season would've seemed far more >coherent if the writers had revealed some of these connections, if only >because it confirms that Ben's weird dreams about bears and dismembered >soldiers are not completely random nonsense. I thought they made it clear that Management was incorporeal (no, not Spike). IIRC, of course. Ken (Brooklyn)

2004-01-28 00:48:12-06:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (Lord Usher <lord_usher@hotmail.com>)


KenM47 <KenM47@ix.netcom.com> wrote in news:pmtd101i3ir0mmte8bb117omtlgbig1ng0@4ax.com: >>Spoilers for season 1 of CARNIVALE... >>. >>. >>. >>. >>. >>. >>. >>. >>. >>. >>. >>. >>. >>. >>. >>. >>. >>. >>. >>. >>. >>. >>. >>. >>. >>. >>. >>. >>. >>. >>My idea is nothing hugely innovative. It's a possibility I've seen a >>lot of other fans considering -- that the horrible event in the Old >>Country was the WW1 sequence we saw in Ben's dreams, where the Russian >>soldier, one of the previous generation's avatars, got his limbs >>chewed off by Lodz's bear. >> >>Further, I'm not alone in suspecting that Management *is* the Russian >>soldier, weakened and confined to his trailer because Bruno ate his >>legs. >> >>Anyway, if I'm correct, I think the season would've seemed far more >>coherent if the writers had revealed some of these connections, if >>only because it confirms that Ben's weird dreams about bears and >>dismembered soldiers are not completely random nonsense. > > I thought they made it clear that Management was incorporeal (no, not > Spike). IIRC, of course. No, they showed that he was able to turn invisible, but Samson made it clear that that was just a power he had and not his natural form. Samson said something to the effect of "Well, he can do that if he wants, I suppose." In any event, he definitely has a corporeal form. In the final episode we see the glow of a cigarette behind the curtain as he takes a drag, and then we see his hand stub it out in an ashtray on the floor. -- Lord Usher "I'm here to kill you, not to judge you."

2004-01-28 04:41:59-06:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (Ken from Chicago <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"Zombie Elvis" <DELETE-ME-2-REPLY-robertocastillo@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:7nfe10dua3fvuno5t0r4a39fpgn02i1ur9@4ax.com... > It was a time of great turmoil. The strong preyed on the weak, dogs > and cats lived together. One voice cried out in the wilderness: "Ken > from Chicago" <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote in > <DIadnX569NUZ4Y_dRVn-hQ@comcast.com>: > > > > > "Mark Nobles" <cmn-nospam@houston.rr.com> wrote in message > > news:230120041310388561%cmn-nospam@houston.rr.com... > > > > Maybe I'm being misled about The Battle between Good and Evil. While it > > > clearly comes down to being between the wanted murderer and the priest, > > > it isn't that one is good and one is evil - they are each a bit of > > > both. > > > > Whoa, how do you know the Source of Justin's power is evil? > > > Well for one thing, it seems pretty unambiguous when he reveals to the > bishop that his most evil act was saving his life as a child. For > another, there's the nature of the power itself. He can literally see > the sins and suffering of the people around him. Even before the > church was burned down, Justin looked like he was well on his way to a > nervous breakdown from "seeing" all of the horrible crimes that had > been perpetrated against the orphans he'd taken in -- it just seems > like a power that is too overwhelming for anyone who isn't evil. Only > a cold, black heart could see evil all around him and not be appalled. > > -- > "Screw destiny! Destiny's just another word for > inevitable. And nothing's inevitable if you stand up, > look it in the eye and say, 'You're evitable.'" > -- Winifred Burkle > > Roberto Castillo > robertocastillo@ameritech.net > http://www.freewebs.com/robertocastillo/ Oh someone with a great potential to be good, to have the endurance to withstand seeing the suffering of the helpless, in visions. Hmm, someone with visions of those suffering from a higher Power . . . sounds familiar. -- Ken from Chicago

2004-01-28 09:37:12-06:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (Lord Usher <lord_usher@hotmail.com>)


KenM47 <KenM47@ix.netcom.com> wrote in news:i62f10lkfp0j0qs5m6vl3tftkc2qj84jvj@4ax.com: > Lord Usher <lord_usher@hotmail.com> wrote: > >>KenM47 <KenM47@ix.netcom.com> wrote in >>news:pmtd101i3ir0mmte8bb117omtlgbig1ng0@4ax.com: >> >>>>Spoilers for season 1 of CARNIVALE... >>>>. >>>>. >>>>. >>>>. >>>>. >>>>. >>>>. >>>>. >>>>. >>>>. >>>>. >>>>. >>>>. >>>>. >>>>. >>>>. >>>>. >>>>. >>>>. >>>>. >>>>. >>>>. >>>>. >>>>. >>>>. >>>>. >>>>. >>>>. >>>>. >>>>. >>No, they showed that he was able to turn invisible, but Samson made it >>clear that that was just a power he had and not his natural form. >>Samson said something to the effect of "Well, he can do that if he >>wants, I suppose." >> >>In any event, he definitely has a corporeal form. In the final episode >>we see the glow of a cigarette behind the curtain as he takes a drag, >>and then we see his hand stub it out in an ashtray on the floor. > > Well, I remember the cigarette. I don't remember the hand. http://www.carnivale.org/episodes/1_12/episode/pages/cq.htm > And a "Power" to become invisible? Seems inconsistent with your theory > to me. It's inconsistent that one of the immensely powerful avatars of Good or Evil, who can send dreams and visions to people, sense the evil in men, control the weather, influence people telepathically, *kill* them telepathically, and resurrect the dead, could also turn invisible? Huh? -- Lord Usher "I'm here to kill you, not to judge you."

2004-01-28 10:03:56+00:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (KenM47 <KenM47@ix.netcom.com>)


Lord Usher <lord_usher@hotmail.com> wrote: >KenM47 <KenM47@ix.netcom.com> wrote in >news:pmtd101i3ir0mmte8bb117omtlgbig1ng0@4ax.com: > >>>Spoilers for season 1 of CARNIVALE... >>>. >>>. >>>. >>>. >>>. >>>. >>>. >>>. >>>. >>>. >>>. >>>. >>>. >>>. >>>. >>>. >>>. >>>. >>>. >>>. >>>. >>>. >>>. >>>. >>>. >>>. >>>. >>>. >>>. >>>. >>>My idea is nothing hugely innovative. It's a possibility I've seen a >>>lot of other fans considering -- that the horrible event in the Old >>>Country was the WW1 sequence we saw in Ben's dreams, where the Russian >>>soldier, one of the previous generation's avatars, got his limbs >>>chewed off by Lodz's bear. >>> >>>Further, I'm not alone in suspecting that Management *is* the Russian >>>soldier, weakened and confined to his trailer because Bruno ate his >>>legs. >>> >>>Anyway, if I'm correct, I think the season would've seemed far more >>>coherent if the writers had revealed some of these connections, if >>>only because it confirms that Ben's weird dreams about bears and >>>dismembered soldiers are not completely random nonsense. >> >> I thought they made it clear that Management was incorporeal (no, not >> Spike). IIRC, of course. > >No, they showed that he was able to turn invisible, but Samson made it >clear that that was just a power he had and not his natural form. Samson >said something to the effect of "Well, he can do that if he wants, I >suppose." > >In any event, he definitely has a corporeal form. In the final episode >we see the glow of a cigarette behind the curtain as he takes a drag, >and then we see his hand stub it out in an ashtray on the floor. Well, I remember the cigarette. I don't remember the hand. And a "Power" to become invisible? Seems inconsistent with your theory to me. Que sera, sera. Maybe. Ken

2004-01-28 16:43:56+00:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (KenM47 <KenM47@ix.netcom.com>)


Lord Usher <lord_usher@hotmail.com> wrote: >KenM47 <KenM47@ix.netcom.com> wrote in >news:i62f10lkfp0j0qs5m6vl3tftkc2qj84jvj@4ax.com: > >> Lord Usher <lord_usher@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>>KenM47 <KenM47@ix.netcom.com> wrote in >>>news:pmtd101i3ir0mmte8bb117omtlgbig1ng0@4ax.com: >>> >>>>>Spoilers for season 1 of CARNIVALE... >>>>>. >>>>>. >>>>>. >>>>>. >>>>>. >>>>>. >>>>>. >>>>>. >>>>>. >>>>>. >>>>>. >>>>>. >>>>>. >>>>>. >>>>>. >>>>>. >>>>>. >>>>>. >>>>>. >>>>>. >>>>>. >>>>>. >>>>>. >>>>>. >>>>>. >>>>>. >>>>>. >>>>>. >>>>>. >>>>>. >>>No, they showed that he was able to turn invisible, but Samson made it >>>clear that that was just a power he had and not his natural form. >>>Samson said something to the effect of "Well, he can do that if he >>>wants, I suppose." >>> >>>In any event, he definitely has a corporeal form. In the final episode >>>we see the glow of a cigarette behind the curtain as he takes a drag, >>>and then we see his hand stub it out in an ashtray on the floor. >> >> Well, I remember the cigarette. I don't remember the hand. > >http://www.carnivale.org/episodes/1_12/episode/pages/cq.htm > >> And a "Power" to become invisible? Seems inconsistent with your theory >> to me. > >It's inconsistent that one of the immensely powerful avatars of Good or >Evil, who can send dreams and visions to people, sense the evil in men, >control the weather, influence people telepathically, *kill* them >telepathically, and resurrect the dead, could also turn invisible? > >Huh? Then I misunderstood your basic premise, which seemed to be a double amputee Russian human, I thought. I still don't recall seeing his/its hand. Ken

2004-01-28 21:29:18-06:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (Lord Usher <lord_usher@hotmail.com>)


KenM47 <KenM47@ix.netcom.com> wrote in news:mnpf101bvk6dj4qiimfvd9c34pcgc39tvi@4ax.com: > Lord Usher <lord_usher@hotmail.com> wrote: > >>KenM47 <KenM47@ix.netcom.com> wrote in >>news:i62f10lkfp0j0qs5m6vl3tftkc2qj84jvj@4ax.com: >> >>> Lord Usher <lord_usher@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>KenM47 <KenM47@ix.netcom.com> wrote in >>>>news:pmtd101i3ir0mmte8bb117omtlgbig1ng0@4ax.com: >>>> >>>>>>Spoilers for season 1 of CARNIVALE... >>>>>>. >>>>>>. >>>>>>. >>>>>>. >>>>>>. >>>>>>. >>>>>>. >>>>>>. >>>>>>. >>>>>>. >>>>>>. >>>>>>. >>>>>>. >>>>>>. >>>>>>. >>>>>>. >>>>>>. >>>>>>. >>>>>>. >>>>>>. >>>>>>. >>>>>>. >>>>>>. >>>>>>. >>>>>>. >>>>>>. >>>>>>. >>>>>>. >>>>>>. >>>>>>. >>> And a "Power" to become invisible? Seems inconsistent with your >>> theory to me. >> >>It's inconsistent that one of the immensely powerful avatars of Good >>or Evil, who can send dreams and visions to people, sense the evil in >>men, control the weather, influence people telepathically, *kill* them >>telepathically, and resurrect the dead, could also turn invisible? >> >>Huh? > > Then I misunderstood your basic premise, which seemed to be a double > amputee Russian human, I thought. Oh, no. Not any human. The Russian soldier whom the shared "cafe" dream of Ben and Justin apparently indicated was Scudder's counterpart, and thus the opposing avatar of Scudder's generation. (And also, presumably, Justin's father.) > I still don't recall seeing his/its hand. It's there in the screencap link I provided. (If the site works for you; it's pretty twitchy.) You can click through the shots to see the context... -- Lord Usher "I'm here to kill you, not to judge you."

2004-01-29 05:08:17-08:00 - Re: "Thank you, bear." - (kenm47@ix.netcom.com)


Lord Usher <lord_usher@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<Xns947EDA57DC3A5houseofusher@216.40.28.74>... > KenM47 <KenM47@ix.netcom.com> wrote in > news:mnpf101bvk6dj4qiimfvd9c34pcgc39tvi@4ax.com: > > > Lord Usher <lord_usher@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > >>KenM47 <KenM47@ix.netcom.com> wrote in > >>news:i62f10lkfp0j0qs5m6vl3tftkc2qj84jvj@4ax.com: > >> > >>> Lord Usher <lord_usher@hotmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>>KenM47 <KenM47@ix.netcom.com> wrote in > >>>>news:pmtd101i3ir0mmte8bb117omtlgbig1ng0@4ax.com: > >>>> > >>>>>>Spoilers for season 1 of CARNIVALE... > >>>>>>. > >>>>>>. > >>>>>>. > >>>>>>. > >>>>>>. > >>>>>>. > >>>>>>. > >>>>>>. > >>>>>>. > >>>>>>. > >>>>>>. > >>>>>>. > >>>>>>. > >>>>>>. > >>>>>>. > >>>>>>. > >>>>>>. > >>>>>>. > >>>>>>. > >>>>>>. > >>>>>>. > >>>>>>. > >>>>>>. > >>>>>>. > >>>>>>. > >>>>>>. > >>>>>>. > >>>>>>. > >>>>>>. > >>>>>>. > >>> And a "Power" to become invisible? Seems inconsistent with your > >>> theory to me. > >> > >>It's inconsistent that one of the immensely powerful avatars of Good > >>or Evil, who can send dreams and visions to people, sense the evil in > >>men, control the weather, influence people telepathically, *kill* them > >>telepathically, and resurrect the dead, could also turn invisible? > >> > >>Huh? > > > > Then I misunderstood your basic premise, which seemed to be a double > > amputee Russian human, I thought. > > Oh, no. Not any human. The Russian soldier whom the shared "cafe" dream > of Ben and Justin apparently indicated was Scudder's counterpart, and > thus the opposing avatar of Scudder's generation. > > (And also, presumably, Justin's father.) > > > I still don't recall seeing his/its hand. > > It's there in the screencap link I provided. (If the site works for you; > it's pretty twitchy.) You can click through the shots to see the > context... Thanks. I hadn't realized that was a link to a pic. Looks like some kind of hand, but I wouldn't bet on what it's supposed to be connected to. Looks a tad green and scaly. Ken