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2003-01-09 21:47:30+00:00 - Angel Season Four Shooting Scripts - (Tafka <tafkaNOSPAM@boltfree.nospam.net>)


Just wondering if anyone knew if there was a specific reason that none of these have, of yet, appeared online? I know that people, Terry?, used to post bits from the episodes so any ideas? -Tafka- The details of my life are quite inconsequential.

2003-01-09 23:00:33+00:00 - Re: Angel Season Four Shooting Scripts - (Terry McNeal <tymcneal@remove.this.hotmail.com>)


On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 21:47:30 +0000, Tafka <tafkaNOSPAM@boltfree.nospam.net> wrote: :Just wondering if anyone knew if there was a specific reason that none :of these have, of yet, appeared online? : :I know that people, Terry?, used to post bits from the episodes so any :ideas? I have some ideas, but no specific reasons. Sorry. Terry

2003-01-09 23:02:35+00:00 - Re: Angel Season Four Shooting Scripts - (Tafka <tafkaNOSPAM@boltfree.nospam.net>)


Terry McNeal <tymcneal@remove.this.hotmail.com> on Thu, 09 Jan 2003 23:00:33 GMT in alt.tv.angel said: >On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 21:47:30 +0000, Tafka ><tafkaNOSPAM@boltfree.nospam.net> wrote: > >:Just wondering if anyone knew if there was a specific reason that none >:of these have, of yet, appeared online? >: >:I know that people, Terry?, used to post bits from the episodes so any >:ideas? > >I have some ideas, but no specific reasons. Sorry. Vague and uncommitted ideas are appreciated as well :) -Tafka- Yeah, All the homies that I ain't talk to in awhile I'm a send this out to y'all know what I mean ? Cuz, I ain't mad at cha

2003-01-09 23:38:16+00:00 - Re: Angel Season Four Shooting Scripts - (PJ Browning <antarian@pacbell.net>)


my best guess is that no one has been able to get them. the chief source for getting scripts is a script shop. which means money. another source is auction, which means money (both for the seller and the buyer).

2003-01-10 03:24:40+00:00 - Re: Angel Season Four Shooting Scripts - (Terry McNeal <tymcneal@remove.this.hotmail.com>)


Vaguely spoilerish for the current season of _Angel_. . . . On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 23:02:35 +0000, Tafka <tafkaNOSPAM@boltfree.nospam.net> wrote: :Terry McNeal <tymcneal@remove.this.hotmail.com> on Thu, 09 Jan 2003 :23:00:33 GMT in alt.tv.angel said: : :>On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 21:47:30 +0000, Tafka :><tafkaNOSPAM@boltfree.nospam.net> wrote: :> :>:Just wondering if anyone knew if there was a specific reason that none :>:of these have, of yet, appeared online? :>: :>:I know that people, Terry?, used to post bits from the episodes so any :>:ideas? :> :>I have some ideas, but no specific reasons. Sorry. : :Vague and uncommitted ideas are appreciated as well :) Well, first and foremost, I suspect Fox didn't like the fact that pretty much any and all ME scripts were readily available. The copyright for a script is so convoluted and involves so many individual and corporate rights, it's amazing that they ever see the light of day at all. Then there's the normal paranoia ME has about spoilers. Often a script for one episode will have some sort of direction or scenery notes that apply to a later episode, and from the rumblings I've heard, surprise is key to this season of _Angel_. My final unfounded idea is the rumor that ME has been filming scenes involving Charisma Carpenter out of sequence in case she's not available to film the scenes later in the year. For instance, I'm told that the shooting script for episode twelve is missing a key scene with Cordelia, possibly because it had already been shot at a time when Charisma was less visibly pregnant. By that token, I imagine the absence of the scene would be an important clue, and it gets back to the whole spoiler paranoia issue. Or it could be none of the above. Terry

2003-01-10 15:13:56+00:00 - Re: Angel Season Four Shooting Scripts - (Tafka <tafkaNOSPAM@boltfree.nospam.net>)


Terry McNeal <tymcneal@remove.this.hotmail.com> on Fri, 10 Jan 2003 03:24:40 GMT in alt.tv.angel said: [snip rumours] >Or it could be none of the above. Thanks for those, personally I see a combination of 2/3 being quite possible.... -Tafka- "I wouldn't let an actor hold my beagle. You may quote me."

2003-01-10 17:28:44+00:00 - Re: Angel Season Four Shooting Scripts - (pikelet <timothy.phipps@hertford.ox.ac.uk.issmenotwithspammylips>)


Fri, 10 Jan 2003 03:24:40 GMT. I'm in alt.tv.angel. Terry McNeal <tymcneal@remove.this.hotmail.com> is twanging, all Hoob-like, at me. I calmly say: >Then there's the normal paranoia ME has about spoilers. Often a script >for one episode will have some sort of direction or scenery notes that >apply to a later episode, and from the rumblings I've heard, surprise >is key to this season of _Angel_. There's credence to this in the fact that the shooting scripts for the last couple of 'Buffy' eps mention some stage directions that you wouldn't necessarily think were that significant, unless you (a) noticed them in the episode and made an intuitive leap, or (b) read the shooting script and saw the big-ass stress placed on them. If done for a certain purpose, such stage directions are blatantly trying to establish something that needs to be dealt with during the course of the season. Of course, in and of themselves, they don't give much away. But, erm, just kinda pointlessly chipping in to give an example of this happening. Tim. -- Boom biddy boom biddy boom biddy boom biddy boom biddy boom biddy boom boom boom.

2003-01-10 20:44:32+00:00 - Re: Angel Season Four Shooting Scripts - (SDM <smeyer@mac.com>)


In article <uces1vs0m4mo2t27trj83ht9cvl1olfqli@4ax.com>, Terry McNeal <tymcneal@remove.this.hotmail.com> wrote: > Vaguely spoilerish for the current season of _Angel_. > And added spoileriness for Season 7 of BTVS. > . > . > . > > On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 23:02:35 +0000, Tafka > <tafkaNOSPAM@boltfree.nospam.net> wrote: > > :Terry McNeal <tymcneal@remove.this.hotmail.com> on Thu, 09 Jan 2003 > :23:00:33 GMT in alt.tv.angel said: > : > :>On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 21:47:30 +0000, Tafka > :><tafkaNOSPAM@boltfree.nospam.net> wrote: > :> > :>:Just wondering if anyone knew if there was a specific reason that none > :>:of these have, of yet, appeared online? > :>: > :>:I know that people, Terry?, used to post bits from the episodes so any > :>:ideas? > :> > :>I have some ideas, but no specific reasons. Sorry. > : > :Vague and uncommitted ideas are appreciated as well :) > > Well, first and foremost, I suspect Fox didn't like the fact that > pretty much any and all ME scripts were readily available. The > copyright for a script is so convoluted and involves so many > individual and corporate rights, it's amazing that they ever see the > light of day at all. > > Then there's the normal paranoia ME has about spoilers. Often a script > for one episode will have some sort of direction or scenery notes that > apply to a later episode, and from the rumblings I've heard, surprise > is key to this season of _Angel_. > Ugh. I hate it whenever I hear that "surprise is key" to some sort of drama; my little internal translator reads that as "not worth viewing twice". It almost never turns out well. This is one of those things that Joss has always had a problem with, but I wonder if it's getting worse. The emphasis on surprise means an ever greater temptation to mislead the audience, and less concern about the implications of how you do it. It means "Enemies", and the lesser evil "Showtime". It means "Summers's blood". It means writing Giles specifically to foster doubt about whether that's really him, with no concern for what it says about him if it is. Don't get me wrong. Surprise can be good. Justine in the closet was good. Ditto Fred with the taser. And the finest moment of all - the elevator doors opening in "Reprise". But all of them, especially the last, had value beyond surprise. The first two introduced things in a surprising manner, but what was important was what those things said about Wes and Fred respectively, not the way they were introduced. And the elevator scene loses nothing for me for knowing how it ends, not least because Holland was right - it shouldn't even have been a surprise. In contrast, if it turns out (for example) that Cordelia's still in the clouds somewhere, and that what we've been seeing is just Charlie in drag, well, what have we actually learned that we care about? Nothing. (OK, we'll have learned a little about Charlie.) In exchange, we get to badly undermine pretty much every scene Cordy's been in this year. Seems like a bad tradeoff, but one that would no longer, um, surprise me. Steve