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2003-03-03 08:03:13-08:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > So it's been established that Willow is going to LA and returning with > Faith. Presumedly Buffy is aware of this, but then they do have a > habit of not keeping each other informed. Faith is an escaped convict. When someone escapes from San Quentin it's on the Bay Area TV and Radio news until he's captured. The escapee's pictures are in every newspaper. The police everywhere would be looking for her, and the Sunnydale Police should have checked out Casa Sommers since Joyce and Buffy were former victims. The first place they look for escapees is their former home, so the police and the CDC should be looking around Sunnydale for her. All of the Scoobies should know that Faith is out of prison and expecting her to arrive on their doorstep at any time. I guess my former thread, "When Dawn Meets Faith" Should have been "When Dawn hears about Faith" because everyone should be looking for Faith from the day she breaks out of prison.

2003-03-03 08:03:13-08:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > So it's been established that Willow is going to LA and returning with > Faith. Presumedly Buffy is aware of this, but then they do have a > habit of not keeping each other informed. Faith is an escaped convict. When someone escapes from San Quentin it's on the Bay Area TV and Radio news until he's captured. The escapee's pictures are in every newspaper. The police everywhere would be looking for her, and the Sunnydale Police should have checked out Casa Sommers since Joyce and Buffy were former victims. The first place they look for escapees is their former home, so the police and the CDC should be looking around Sunnydale for her. All of the Scoobies should know that Faith is out of prison and expecting her to arrive on their doorstep at any time. I guess my former thread, "When Dawn Meets Faith" Should have been "When Dawn hears about Faith" because everyone should be looking for Faith from the day she breaks out of prison.

2003-03-03 09:29:30-08:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


PJ Browning wrote: > > In article <3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > > > > > > So it's been established that Willow is going to LA and returning with > > > Faith. Presumedly Buffy is aware of this, but then they do have a > > > habit of not keeping each other informed. > > > > Faith is an escaped convict. When someone escapes from San Quentin it's > > on the Bay Area TV and Radio news until he's captured. The escapee's > > pictures are in every newspaper. > > yes but when was the last time that someone escaped San Quentin during > a freak of nature disaster like the sun going out. > > there's a damm good chance at this point that the media is at a > standstill with little news going out other than disaster info for the > victims. Since the disaster is in LA, and the alert for an escaped prisoner is Statewide I doubt that would have an effect on the news in Sunnydale. The CDC unit that tracks down escaped prisoners is in the State Office. The Alert for escaped prisoners is intended to warn the public of the potential danger. It does make you wonder why the Scoobies in Sunnydale have yet to mention the disaster in LA when it should be the lead story on every network at night. Why haven't they picked up the phone to find out if everyone is all right.

2003-03-03 09:29:30-08:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


PJ Browning wrote: > > In article <3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > > > > > > So it's been established that Willow is going to LA and returning with > > > Faith. Presumedly Buffy is aware of this, but then they do have a > > > habit of not keeping each other informed. > > > > Faith is an escaped convict. When someone escapes from San Quentin it's > > on the Bay Area TV and Radio news until he's captured. The escapee's > > pictures are in every newspaper. > > yes but when was the last time that someone escaped San Quentin during > a freak of nature disaster like the sun going out. > > there's a damm good chance at this point that the media is at a > standstill with little news going out other than disaster info for the > victims. Since the disaster is in LA, and the alert for an escaped prisoner is Statewide I doubt that would have an effect on the news in Sunnydale. The CDC unit that tracks down escaped prisoners is in the State Office. The Alert for escaped prisoners is intended to warn the public of the potential danger. It does make you wonder why the Scoobies in Sunnydale have yet to mention the disaster in LA when it should be the lead story on every network at night. Why haven't they picked up the phone to find out if everyone is all right.

2003-03-03 09:30:30-08:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


"John P." wrote: > > "Carmikl" <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote in message news:3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com... > > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > the police and the CDC should be looking around Sunnydale for her. All > > Help me out here, I'm drawing a blank: "CDC" ? > > All I can think of is Centre for Disease Control (and I'm pretty sure its not that) > > -JTP California Department of Corrections

2003-03-03 09:30:30-08:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


"John P." wrote: > > "Carmikl" <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote in message news:3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com... > > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > the police and the CDC should be looking around Sunnydale for her. All > > Help me out here, I'm drawing a blank: "CDC" ? > > All I can think of is Centre for Disease Control (and I'm pretty sure its not that) > > -JTP California Department of Corrections

2003-03-03 09:35:01-08:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


PJ Browning wrote: > > In article <zPL8a.56909$7_.245461@news1.mts.net>, John P. > <vergaiden@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > "Carmikl" <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote in message news:3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com... > > > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > > > the police and the CDC should be looking around Sunnydale for her. All > > > > Help me out here, I'm drawing a blank: "CDC" ? > > > > All I can think of is Centre for Disease Control (and I'm pretty sure its not that) > > i believe that is supposed to be California Dept of Corrections. > > Although that really isn't who it would be. It would be the LA Dept of > Corrections that would be looking for Faith. And they would likely ask > for help from the Sunnydale police. > > That is if they aren't too busy with the disaster that is going on. The city of Los Angeles has no authority over State Prisons. Since Faith's sentence exceeded two years she was clearly in a state prison, probably Fontana since the only other option would be Chowchilla.

2003-03-03 09:35:01-08:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


PJ Browning wrote: > > In article <zPL8a.56909$7_.245461@news1.mts.net>, John P. > <vergaiden@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > "Carmikl" <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote in message news:3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com... > > > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > > > the police and the CDC should be looking around Sunnydale for her. All > > > > Help me out here, I'm drawing a blank: "CDC" ? > > > > All I can think of is Centre for Disease Control (and I'm pretty sure its not that) > > i believe that is supposed to be California Dept of Corrections. > > Although that really isn't who it would be. It would be the LA Dept of > Corrections that would be looking for Faith. And they would likely ask > for help from the Sunnydale police. > > That is if they aren't too busy with the disaster that is going on. The city of Los Angeles has no authority over State Prisons. Since Faith's sentence exceeded two years she was clearly in a state prison, probably Fontana since the only other option would be Chowchilla.

2003-03-03 09:46:02-08:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


Michael Dracon wrote: > >> > > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > > > > > > So it's been established that Willow is going to LA and returning with > > > Faith. Presumedly Buffy is aware of this, but then they do have a > > > habit of not keeping each other informed. > > I think Buffy will know, as Fred will call Willow. This phone call will be seen > and/or mentioned in a Buffy episode, although Fred may not be visible in the > episode. I think such a call will not go unnoticed by Buffy. As I said, they should know long before Fred calls Willow because Faith's escape should have been all over the news. Just as the the Scoobies should be fully aware of the disaster happening in LA.

2003-03-03 09:46:02-08:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


Michael Dracon wrote: > >> > > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > > > > > > So it's been established that Willow is going to LA and returning with > > > Faith. Presumedly Buffy is aware of this, but then they do have a > > > habit of not keeping each other informed. > > I think Buffy will know, as Fred will call Willow. This phone call will be seen > and/or mentioned in a Buffy episode, although Fred may not be visible in the > episode. I think such a call will not go unnoticed by Buffy. As I said, they should know long before Fred calls Willow because Faith's escape should have been all over the news. Just as the the Scoobies should be fully aware of the disaster happening in LA.

2003-03-03 10:05:26-08:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


This has probably been Faith's home for the past three years: http://www.cdc.state.ca.us/institutionsdiv/instdiv/facilities/fac_prison_ciw.asp

2003-03-03 10:05:26-08:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


This has probably been Faith's home for the past three years: http://www.cdc.state.ca.us/institutionsdiv/instdiv/facilities/fac_prison_ciw.asp

2003-03-03 10:22:14-08:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Willow.Rose@GTE.net)


Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote in message news:<3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com>... > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > > > So it's been established that Willow is going to LA and returning with > > Faith. Presumedly Buffy is aware of this, but then they do have a > > habit of not keeping each other informed. > > Faith is an escaped convict. When someone escapes from San Quentin it's > on the Bay Area TV and Radio news until he's captured. The escapee's > pictures are in every newspaper. > > The police everywhere would be looking for her, and the Sunnydale Police > should have checked out Casa Sommers since Joyce and Buffy were former > victims. The first place they look for escapees is their former home, so > the police and the CDC should be looking around Sunnydale for her. Umm... it "Rained Fire"... children vampires are running around in the streets... and did I mention the eternal night?.... I think the while city is a disaster zone, and I doubt the jail is even still in one piece, and most likely that's how she escapes. (I have not seen the ep so I don't know, it's just a guess) So they may not even know she's gone nor have the time to care with all that's going on even if they did know. Most likely all the jailers ran home to be with their families and most the prisoners have escaped from the rubble.

2003-03-03 10:22:14-08:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Willow.Rose@GTE.net)


Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote in message news:<3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com>... > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > > > So it's been established that Willow is going to LA and returning with > > Faith. Presumedly Buffy is aware of this, but then they do have a > > habit of not keeping each other informed. > > Faith is an escaped convict. When someone escapes from San Quentin it's > on the Bay Area TV and Radio news until he's captured. The escapee's > pictures are in every newspaper. > > The police everywhere would be looking for her, and the Sunnydale Police > should have checked out Casa Sommers since Joyce and Buffy were former > victims. The first place they look for escapees is their former home, so > the police and the CDC should be looking around Sunnydale for her. Umm... it "Rained Fire"... children vampires are running around in the streets... and did I mention the eternal night?.... I think the while city is a disaster zone, and I doubt the jail is even still in one piece, and most likely that's how she escapes. (I have not seen the ep so I don't know, it's just a guess) So they may not even know she's gone nor have the time to care with all that's going on even if they did know. Most likely all the jailers ran home to be with their families and most the prisoners have escaped from the rubble.

2003-03-03 10:31:06-08:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (tnab76@yahoo.com)


Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote in message news:<3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com>... > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > > > So it's been established that Willow is going to LA and returning with > > Faith. Presumedly Buffy is aware of this, but then they do have a > > habit of not keeping each other informed. > > Faith is an escaped convict. When someone escapes from San Quentin it's > on the Bay Area TV and Radio news until he's captured. The escapee's > pictures are in every newspaper. > > The police everywhere would be looking for her, and the Sunnydale Police > should have checked out Casa Sommers since Joyce and Buffy were former > victims. The first place they look for escapees is their former home, so > the police and the CDC should be looking around Sunnydale for her. All > of the Scoobies should know that Faith is out of prison and expecting > her to arrive on their doorstep at any time. > > I guess my former thread, "When Dawn Meets Faith" Should have been "When > Dawn hears about Faith" because everyone should be looking for Faith > from the day she breaks out of prison. It's gonna partly depend on how the prison break is done. If there's a huge explosion and lots of inmates die in the process, there's the whole thing of identifying the bodies. That can take a little while. While they'd definately have an alert for any potential escapees, they wouldn't have anything definite until they determine which bodies are lying about. Plus, it would probably be easier for Buffy to harbor Faith. As you said, she and Joyce were victims. The police will come to Buffy, tell her that Faith is free, maybe ask to search the premises, and ask her to report to them if Faith shows up. They're looking at Buffy as a possible target, not an abettor.

2003-03-03 10:31:06-08:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (tnab76@yahoo.com)


Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote in message news:<3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com>... > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > > > So it's been established that Willow is going to LA and returning with > > Faith. Presumedly Buffy is aware of this, but then they do have a > > habit of not keeping each other informed. > > Faith is an escaped convict. When someone escapes from San Quentin it's > on the Bay Area TV and Radio news until he's captured. The escapee's > pictures are in every newspaper. > > The police everywhere would be looking for her, and the Sunnydale Police > should have checked out Casa Sommers since Joyce and Buffy were former > victims. The first place they look for escapees is their former home, so > the police and the CDC should be looking around Sunnydale for her. All > of the Scoobies should know that Faith is out of prison and expecting > her to arrive on their doorstep at any time. > > I guess my former thread, "When Dawn Meets Faith" Should have been "When > Dawn hears about Faith" because everyone should be looking for Faith > from the day she breaks out of prison. It's gonna partly depend on how the prison break is done. If there's a huge explosion and lots of inmates die in the process, there's the whole thing of identifying the bodies. That can take a little while. While they'd definately have an alert for any potential escapees, they wouldn't have anything definite until they determine which bodies are lying about. Plus, it would probably be easier for Buffy to harbor Faith. As you said, she and Joyce were victims. The police will come to Buffy, tell her that Faith is free, maybe ask to search the premises, and ask her to report to them if Faith shows up. They're looking at Buffy as a possible target, not an abettor.

2003-03-03 10:39:34-08:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


"Rev. Cyohtee - O'k�home Ehohatse" wrote: > > Out of the ether PJ Browning <antarian@pacbell.net> rose up and issued > forth: > > >In article <3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > >> sillyman@famous.com wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > So it's been established that Willow is going to LA and returning with > >> > Faith. Presumedly Buffy is aware of this, but then they do have a > >> > habit of not keeping each other informed. > >> > >> Faith is an escaped convict. When someone escapes from San Quentin it's > >> on the Bay Area TV and Radio news until he's captured. The escapee's > >> pictures are in every newspaper. > > > >yes but when was the last time that someone escaped San Quentin during > >a freak of nature disaster like the sun going out. > > Not to mention vampires and demons taking over L.A. > > > > >there's a damm good chance at this point that the media is at a > >standstill with little news going out other than disaster info for the > >victims. > > If they can even get that out. I doubt that many tv/radio stations in > the L.A. area are even still on the air by this point. > But most TV stations are part of a national network, and the fact that there was blackout in LA would be national news in itself. As for the escape of a prisoner from a State Prison, that would be handled out of Sacramento.

2003-03-03 10:39:34-08:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


"Rev. Cyohtee - O'k�home Ehohatse" wrote: > > Out of the ether PJ Browning <antarian@pacbell.net> rose up and issued > forth: > > >In article <3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > >> sillyman@famous.com wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > So it's been established that Willow is going to LA and returning with > >> > Faith. Presumedly Buffy is aware of this, but then they do have a > >> > habit of not keeping each other informed. > >> > >> Faith is an escaped convict. When someone escapes from San Quentin it's > >> on the Bay Area TV and Radio news until he's captured. The escapee's > >> pictures are in every newspaper. > > > >yes but when was the last time that someone escaped San Quentin during > >a freak of nature disaster like the sun going out. > > Not to mention vampires and demons taking over L.A. > > > > >there's a damm good chance at this point that the media is at a > >standstill with little news going out other than disaster info for the > >victims. > > If they can even get that out. I doubt that many tv/radio stations in > the L.A. area are even still on the air by this point. > But most TV stations are part of a national network, and the fact that there was blackout in LA would be national news in itself. As for the escape of a prisoner from a State Prison, that would be handled out of Sacramento.

2003-03-03 10:42:41-08:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


"Dr. Bond" wrote: > > Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote in message news:<3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com>... > > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > > > > > > So it's been established that Willow is going to LA and returning with > > > Faith. Presumedly Buffy is aware of this, but then they do have a > > > habit of not keeping each other informed. > > > > Faith is an escaped convict. When someone escapes from San Quentin it's > > on the Bay Area TV and Radio news until he's captured. The escapee's > > pictures are in every newspaper. > > > > The police everywhere would be looking for her, and the Sunnydale Police > > should have checked out Casa Sommers since Joyce and Buffy were former > > victims. The first place they look for escapees is their former home, so > > the police and the CDC should be looking around Sunnydale for her. > > Umm... it "Rained Fire"... children vampires are running around in the > streets... and did I mention the eternal night?.... I think the while > city is a disaster zone, and I doubt the jail is even still in one > piece, and most likely that's how she escapes. (I have not seen the > ep so I don't know, it's just a guess) > > So they may not even know she's gone nor have the time to care with > all that's going on even if they did know. Most likely all the jailers > ran home to be with their families and most the prisoners have escaped > from the rubble. I think you'll find that she escaped from a fully functioning State Prison, probably Frontara, and that's 40 miles from LA.

2003-03-03 10:42:41-08:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


"Dr. Bond" wrote: > > Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote in message news:<3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com>... > > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > > > > > > So it's been established that Willow is going to LA and returning with > > > Faith. Presumedly Buffy is aware of this, but then they do have a > > > habit of not keeping each other informed. > > > > Faith is an escaped convict. When someone escapes from San Quentin it's > > on the Bay Area TV and Radio news until he's captured. The escapee's > > pictures are in every newspaper. > > > > The police everywhere would be looking for her, and the Sunnydale Police > > should have checked out Casa Sommers since Joyce and Buffy were former > > victims. The first place they look for escapees is their former home, so > > the police and the CDC should be looking around Sunnydale for her. > > Umm... it "Rained Fire"... children vampires are running around in the > streets... and did I mention the eternal night?.... I think the while > city is a disaster zone, and I doubt the jail is even still in one > piece, and most likely that's how she escapes. (I have not seen the > ep so I don't know, it's just a guess) > > So they may not even know she's gone nor have the time to care with > all that's going on even if they did know. Most likely all the jailers > ran home to be with their families and most the prisoners have escaped > from the rubble. I think you'll find that she escaped from a fully functioning State Prison, probably Frontara, and that's 40 miles from LA.

2003-03-03 10:45:07-08:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


Kenny Abernathy wrote: > > Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote in message news:<3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com>... > > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > > > > > > So it's been established that Willow is going to LA and returning with > > > Faith. Presumedly Buffy is aware of this, but then they do have a > > > habit of not keeping each other informed. > > > > Faith is an escaped convict. When someone escapes from San Quentin it's > > on the Bay Area TV and Radio news until he's captured. The escapee's > > pictures are in every newspaper. > > > > The police everywhere would be looking for her, and the Sunnydale Police > > should have checked out Casa Sommers since Joyce and Buffy were former > > victims. The first place they look for escapees is their former home, so > > the police and the CDC should be looking around Sunnydale for her. All > > of the Scoobies should know that Faith is out of prison and expecting > > her to arrive on their doorstep at any time. > > > > I guess my former thread, "When Dawn Meets Faith" Should have been "When > > Dawn hears about Faith" because everyone should be looking for Faith > > from the day she breaks out of prison. > > It's gonna partly depend on how the prison break is done. If there's > a huge explosion and lots of inmates die in the process, there's the > whole thing of identifying the bodies. That can take a little while. > While they'd definately have an alert for any potential escapees, they > wouldn't have anything definite until they determine which bodies are > lying about. > > Plus, it would probably be easier for Buffy to harbor Faith. As you > said, she and Joyce were victims. The police will come to Buffy, tell > her that Faith is free, maybe ask to search the premises, and ask her > to report to them if Faith shows up. They're looking at Buffy as a > possible target, not an abettor. That's the point. Buffy should know about Faith's escape long before Willow brings her from LA.

2003-03-03 10:45:07-08:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


Kenny Abernathy wrote: > > Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote in message news:<3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com>... > > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > > > > > > So it's been established that Willow is going to LA and returning with > > > Faith. Presumedly Buffy is aware of this, but then they do have a > > > habit of not keeping each other informed. > > > > Faith is an escaped convict. When someone escapes from San Quentin it's > > on the Bay Area TV and Radio news until he's captured. The escapee's > > pictures are in every newspaper. > > > > The police everywhere would be looking for her, and the Sunnydale Police > > should have checked out Casa Sommers since Joyce and Buffy were former > > victims. The first place they look for escapees is their former home, so > > the police and the CDC should be looking around Sunnydale for her. All > > of the Scoobies should know that Faith is out of prison and expecting > > her to arrive on their doorstep at any time. > > > > I guess my former thread, "When Dawn Meets Faith" Should have been "When > > Dawn hears about Faith" because everyone should be looking for Faith > > from the day she breaks out of prison. > > It's gonna partly depend on how the prison break is done. If there's > a huge explosion and lots of inmates die in the process, there's the > whole thing of identifying the bodies. That can take a little while. > While they'd definately have an alert for any potential escapees, they > wouldn't have anything definite until they determine which bodies are > lying about. > > Plus, it would probably be easier for Buffy to harbor Faith. As you > said, she and Joyce were victims. The police will come to Buffy, tell > her that Faith is free, maybe ask to search the premises, and ask her > to report to them if Faith shows up. They're looking at Buffy as a > possible target, not an abettor. That's the point. Buffy should know about Faith's escape long before Willow brings her from LA.

2003-03-03 10:51:42-08:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


PJ Browning wrote: > Spoiler Alert > speculation alert > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > > I wouldn't be surprised if Faith gets out because a gang of vamps > decides to try a little prison food. If they got in fast enough, there > wouldn't be time to alert anyone outside about what was happening. A > big enough crew of vamps could get the guards and start on the prisons. > it would take a bit of time for anyone to realize that Faith was > missing. and even though it will take 3 weeks for us to see the action, > I'm betting that it will be 48 hours tops. That's not the way the spoilers read, though I suppose that could change. The nearest State Women's Prison is 40 miles from LA.

2003-03-03 10:51:42-08:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


PJ Browning wrote: > Spoiler Alert > speculation alert > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > > I wouldn't be surprised if Faith gets out because a gang of vamps > decides to try a little prison food. If they got in fast enough, there > wouldn't be time to alert anyone outside about what was happening. A > big enough crew of vamps could get the guards and start on the prisons. > it would take a bit of time for anyone to realize that Faith was > missing. and even though it will take 3 weeks for us to see the action, > I'm betting that it will be 48 hours tops. That's not the way the spoilers read, though I suppose that could change. The nearest State Women's Prison is 40 miles from LA.

2003-03-03 10:57:03-06:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - ("John P." <vergaiden@hotmail.com>)


"Carmikl" <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote in message news:3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com... > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > the police and the CDC should be looking around Sunnydale for her. All Help me out here, I'm drawing a blank: "CDC" ? All I can think of is Centre for Disease Control (and I'm pretty sure its not that) -JTP

2003-03-03 10:57:03-06:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - ("John P." <vergaiden@hotmail.com>)


"Carmikl" <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote in message news:3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com... > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > the police and the CDC should be looking around Sunnydale for her. All Help me out here, I'm drawing a blank: "CDC" ? All I can think of is Centre for Disease Control (and I'm pretty sure its not that) -JTP

2003-03-03 12:27:07-06:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - ("Rev. Cyohtee - O'k�home Ehohatse" <cyohtee@barbarian.org>)


Out of the ether PJ Browning <antarian@pacbell.net> rose up and issued forth: >In article <3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > >> sillyman@famous.com wrote: >> >> > >> > So it's been established that Willow is going to LA and returning with >> > Faith. Presumedly Buffy is aware of this, but then they do have a >> > habit of not keeping each other informed. >> >> Faith is an escaped convict. When someone escapes from San Quentin it's >> on the Bay Area TV and Radio news until he's captured. The escapee's >> pictures are in every newspaper. > >yes but when was the last time that someone escaped San Quentin during >a freak of nature disaster like the sun going out. Not to mention vampires and demons taking over L.A. > >there's a damm good chance at this point that the media is at a >standstill with little news going out other than disaster info for the >victims. If they can even get that out. I doubt that many tv/radio stations in the L.A. area are even still on the air by this point. -- Cyo cyohtee@ucan.foad.org http://www.barbarian.org/~cyohtee http://www.barbarian.org Yakko: Citizens of Anvilania, I stand before you, because if I was behind you, you couldn't see me.

2003-03-03 12:27:07-06:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - ("Rev. Cyohtee - O'k�home Ehohatse" <cyohtee@barbarian.org>)


Out of the ether PJ Browning <antarian@pacbell.net> rose up and issued forth: >In article <3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > >> sillyman@famous.com wrote: >> >> > >> > So it's been established that Willow is going to LA and returning with >> > Faith. Presumedly Buffy is aware of this, but then they do have a >> > habit of not keeping each other informed. >> >> Faith is an escaped convict. When someone escapes from San Quentin it's >> on the Bay Area TV and Radio news until he's captured. The escapee's >> pictures are in every newspaper. > >yes but when was the last time that someone escaped San Quentin during >a freak of nature disaster like the sun going out. Not to mention vampires and demons taking over L.A. > >there's a damm good chance at this point that the media is at a >standstill with little news going out other than disaster info for the >victims. If they can even get that out. I doubt that many tv/radio stations in the L.A. area are even still on the air by this point. -- Cyo cyohtee@ucan.foad.org http://www.barbarian.org/~cyohtee http://www.barbarian.org Yakko: Citizens of Anvilania, I stand before you, because if I was behind you, you couldn't see me.

2003-03-03 15:24:40-05:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (DarkMagic <slnospambilan@comcast.net>)


"Carmikl" <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote in message news:3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com... > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > > > So it's been established that Willow is going to LA and returning with > > Faith. Presumedly Buffy is aware of this, but then they do have a > > habit of not keeping each other informed. > > Faith is an escaped convict. When someone escapes from San Quentin it's > on the Bay Area TV and Radio news until he's captured. The escapee's > pictures are in every newspaper. > > The police everywhere would be looking for her, and the Sunnydale Police > should have checked out Casa Sommers since Joyce and Buffy were former > victims. The first place they look for escapees is their former home, so > the police and the CDC should be looking around Sunnydale for her. All > of the Scoobies should know that Faith is out of prison and expecting > her to arrive on their doorstep at any time. > > I guess my former thread, "When Dawn Meets Faith" Should have been "When > Dawn hears about Faith" because everyone should be looking for Faith > from the day she breaks out of prison. See what I think happened is this: The Magic Monks needed lots of paper to falsify all of Dawn's information with, the doctors records, report cards, school records, etc....so they took all of Faith's prison records, scraped them clean, and then printed all of Dawn's info over it. Kind of like the way Christians scraped all of the parchments clean in the Library of Athens and then wrote the New Testament over it when they sacked Rome. Now Faith has no identifiable criminal history. All of the incriminating information is covered up with Dawnie goodness. -- Shannon Cordelia: "Angel is only happy when he's fighting evil. Let's drum up a little!" Doyle: "I don't know why we're looking for evil when we got you here."

2003-03-03 15:24:40-05:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (DarkMagic <slnospambilan@comcast.net>)


"Carmikl" <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote in message news:3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com... > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > > > So it's been established that Willow is going to LA and returning with > > Faith. Presumedly Buffy is aware of this, but then they do have a > > habit of not keeping each other informed. > > Faith is an escaped convict. When someone escapes from San Quentin it's > on the Bay Area TV and Radio news until he's captured. The escapee's > pictures are in every newspaper. > > The police everywhere would be looking for her, and the Sunnydale Police > should have checked out Casa Sommers since Joyce and Buffy were former > victims. The first place they look for escapees is their former home, so > the police and the CDC should be looking around Sunnydale for her. All > of the Scoobies should know that Faith is out of prison and expecting > her to arrive on their doorstep at any time. > > I guess my former thread, "When Dawn Meets Faith" Should have been "When > Dawn hears about Faith" because everyone should be looking for Faith > from the day she breaks out of prison. See what I think happened is this: The Magic Monks needed lots of paper to falsify all of Dawn's information with, the doctors records, report cards, school records, etc....so they took all of Faith's prison records, scraped them clean, and then printed all of Dawn's info over it. Kind of like the way Christians scraped all of the parchments clean in the Library of Athens and then wrote the New Testament over it when they sacked Rome. Now Faith has no identifiable criminal history. All of the incriminating information is covered up with Dawnie goodness. -- Shannon Cordelia: "Angel is only happy when he's fighting evil. Let's drum up a little!" Doyle: "I don't know why we're looking for evil when we got you here."

2003-03-03 16:07:18-08:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


BTR1701 wrote: > > In article <3E639245.905A260E@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> > wrote: > > > PJ Browning wrote: > > > > > > In article <zPL8a.56909$7_.245461@news1.mts.net>, John P. > > > <vergaiden@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > "Carmikl" <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote in message > > > > news:3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com... > > > > > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > the police and the CDC should be looking around Sunnydale for her. > > > > > All > > > > > > > > Help me out here, I'm drawing a blank: "CDC" ? > > > > > > > > All I can think of is Centre for Disease Control (and I'm pretty sure > > > > its not that) > > > > > > i believe that is supposed to be California Dept of Corrections. > > > > > > Although that really isn't who it would be. It would be the LA Dept of > > > Corrections that would be looking for Faith. And they would likely ask > > > for help from the Sunnydale police. > > > > > > That is if they aren't too busy with the disaster that is going on. > > > > The city of Los Angeles has no authority over State Prisons. Since > > Faith's sentence exceeded two years she was clearly in a state prison, > > When was the length of her sentence ever mentioned? Never was but she's been in prison over two years.

2003-03-03 16:07:18-08:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


BTR1701 wrote: > > In article <3E639245.905A260E@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> > wrote: > > > PJ Browning wrote: > > > > > > In article <zPL8a.56909$7_.245461@news1.mts.net>, John P. > > > <vergaiden@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > "Carmikl" <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote in message > > > > news:3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com... > > > > > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > the police and the CDC should be looking around Sunnydale for her. > > > > > All > > > > > > > > Help me out here, I'm drawing a blank: "CDC" ? > > > > > > > > All I can think of is Centre for Disease Control (and I'm pretty sure > > > > its not that) > > > > > > i believe that is supposed to be California Dept of Corrections. > > > > > > Although that really isn't who it would be. It would be the LA Dept of > > > Corrections that would be looking for Faith. And they would likely ask > > > for help from the Sunnydale police. > > > > > > That is if they aren't too busy with the disaster that is going on. > > > > The city of Los Angeles has no authority over State Prisons. Since > > Faith's sentence exceeded two years she was clearly in a state prison, > > When was the length of her sentence ever mentioned? Never was but she's been in prison over two years.

2003-03-03 16:38:41+00:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (PJ Browning <antarian@pacbell.net>)


In article <3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > > > So it's been established that Willow is going to LA and returning with > > Faith. Presumedly Buffy is aware of this, but then they do have a > > habit of not keeping each other informed. > > Faith is an escaped convict. When someone escapes from San Quentin it's > on the Bay Area TV and Radio news until he's captured. The escapee's > pictures are in every newspaper. yes but when was the last time that someone escaped San Quentin during a freak of nature disaster like the sun going out. there's a damm good chance at this point that the media is at a standstill with little news going out other than disaster info for the victims.

2003-03-03 16:38:41+00:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (PJ Browning <antarian@pacbell.net>)


In article <3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > > > So it's been established that Willow is going to LA and returning with > > Faith. Presumedly Buffy is aware of this, but then they do have a > > habit of not keeping each other informed. > > Faith is an escaped convict. When someone escapes from San Quentin it's > on the Bay Area TV and Radio news until he's captured. The escapee's > pictures are in every newspaper. yes but when was the last time that someone escaped San Quentin during a freak of nature disaster like the sun going out. there's a damm good chance at this point that the media is at a standstill with little news going out other than disaster info for the victims.

2003-03-03 16:41:55-08:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (tnab76@yahoo.com)


Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote in message news:<3E63A2B3.85459737@rcn.com>... > That's the point. Buffy should know about Faith's escape long before > Willow brings her from LA. I misunderstood...I thought your "everyone" meant the police. This is a little clearer. Probably not that big of a deal though. Willow obviously has to be called at some point. My guess is they call her at the end of Faith's second ep, and if the timeline is contracted in the first two eps (and I could easily see the first two of the Faith eps all taking place within the same day). They'll probably call Willow before the police would have a chance to make it to Casa Summers, and they'd probably fill her in on Faith's involvement so it's not a total surprise.

2003-03-03 16:41:55-08:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (tnab76@yahoo.com)


Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote in message news:<3E63A2B3.85459737@rcn.com>... > That's the point. Buffy should know about Faith's escape long before > Willow brings her from LA. I misunderstood...I thought your "everyone" meant the police. This is a little clearer. Probably not that big of a deal though. Willow obviously has to be called at some point. My guess is they call her at the end of Faith's second ep, and if the timeline is contracted in the first two eps (and I could easily see the first two of the Faith eps all taking place within the same day). They'll probably call Willow before the police would have a chance to make it to Casa Summers, and they'd probably fill her in on Faith's involvement so it's not a total surprise.

2003-03-03 17:00:55+00:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (PJ Browning <antarian@pacbell.net>)


In article <zPL8a.56909$7_.245461@news1.mts.net>, John P. <vergaiden@hotmail.com> wrote: > "Carmikl" <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote in message news:3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com... > > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > the police and the CDC should be looking around Sunnydale for her. All > > Help me out here, I'm drawing a blank: "CDC" ? > > All I can think of is Centre for Disease Control (and I'm pretty sure its not that) i believe that is supposed to be California Dept of Corrections. Although that really isn't who it would be. It would be the LA Dept of Corrections that would be looking for Faith. And they would likely ask for help from the Sunnydale police. That is if they aren't too busy with the disaster that is going on.

2003-03-03 17:00:55+00:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (PJ Browning <antarian@pacbell.net>)


In article <zPL8a.56909$7_.245461@news1.mts.net>, John P. <vergaiden@hotmail.com> wrote: > "Carmikl" <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote in message news:3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com... > > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > the police and the CDC should be looking around Sunnydale for her. All > > Help me out here, I'm drawing a blank: "CDC" ? > > All I can think of is Centre for Disease Control (and I'm pretty sure its not that) i believe that is supposed to be California Dept of Corrections. Although that really isn't who it would be. It would be the LA Dept of Corrections that would be looking for Faith. And they would likely ask for help from the Sunnydale police. That is if they aren't too busy with the disaster that is going on.

2003-03-03 17:46:45-08:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


John DiFool wrote: > > Carmikl wrote: > > > BTR1701 wrote: > > > > > > In article <3E639245.905A260E@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > PJ Browning wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In article <zPL8a.56909$7_.245461@news1.mts.net>, John P. > > > > > <vergaiden@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > "Carmikl" <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote in message > > > > > > news:3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com... > > > > > > > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > the police and the CDC should be looking around Sunnydale for her. > > > > > > > All > > > > > > > > > > > > Help me out here, I'm drawing a blank: "CDC" ? > > > > > > > > > > > > All I can think of is Centre for Disease Control (and I'm pretty sure > > > > > > its not that) > > > > > > > > > > i believe that is supposed to be California Dept of Corrections. > > > > > > > > > > Although that really isn't who it would be. It would be the LA Dept of > > > > > Corrections that would be looking for Faith. And they would likely ask > > > > > for help from the Sunnydale police. > > > > > > > > > > That is if they aren't too busy with the disaster that is going on. > > > > > > > > The city of Los Angeles has no authority over State Prisons. Since > > > > Faith's sentence exceeded two years she was clearly in a state prison, > > > > > > When was the length of her sentence ever mentioned? > > > > Never was but she's been in prison over two years. > > Probably manslaughter, since killing the asst. Mayor was not > premeditated in any way (her Slayer instincts took over for a > moment-not that she was not culpable for being so reactive > and unthinking). > Unless she confessed to killing the Professor. That was clearly cold blooded murder.

2003-03-03 17:46:45-08:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


John DiFool wrote: > > Carmikl wrote: > > > BTR1701 wrote: > > > > > > In article <3E639245.905A260E@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > PJ Browning wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In article <zPL8a.56909$7_.245461@news1.mts.net>, John P. > > > > > <vergaiden@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > "Carmikl" <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote in message > > > > > > news:3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com... > > > > > > > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > the police and the CDC should be looking around Sunnydale for her. > > > > > > > All > > > > > > > > > > > > Help me out here, I'm drawing a blank: "CDC" ? > > > > > > > > > > > > All I can think of is Centre for Disease Control (and I'm pretty sure > > > > > > its not that) > > > > > > > > > > i believe that is supposed to be California Dept of Corrections. > > > > > > > > > > Although that really isn't who it would be. It would be the LA Dept of > > > > > Corrections that would be looking for Faith. And they would likely ask > > > > > for help from the Sunnydale police. > > > > > > > > > > That is if they aren't too busy with the disaster that is going on. > > > > > > > > The city of Los Angeles has no authority over State Prisons. Since > > > > Faith's sentence exceeded two years she was clearly in a state prison, > > > > > > When was the length of her sentence ever mentioned? > > > > Never was but she's been in prison over two years. > > Probably manslaughter, since killing the asst. Mayor was not > premeditated in any way (her Slayer instincts took over for a > moment-not that she was not culpable for being so reactive > and unthinking). > Unless she confessed to killing the Professor. That was clearly cold blooded murder.

2003-03-03 17:51:12-06:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <te2cnRoSkcuVJ_6jXTWcow@comcast.com>, "DarkMagic" <slnospambilan@comcast.net> wrote: > "Carmikl" <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote in message > news:3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com... > > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > > > > > > So it's been established that Willow is going to LA and returning > > > with Faith. Presumedly Buffy is aware of this, but then they do have a > > > habit of not keeping each other informed. > > > > Faith is an escaped convict. When someone escapes from San Quentin it's > > on the Bay Area TV and Radio news until he's captured. The escapee's > > pictures are in every newspaper. > > > > The police everywhere would be looking for her, and the Sunnydale > > Police should have checked out Casa Sommers since Joyce and Buffy were former > > victims. The first place they look for escapees is their former home, > > so the police and the CDC should be looking around Sunnydale for her. All > > of the Scoobies should know that Faith is out of prison and expecting > > her to arrive on their doorstep at any time. > > > > I guess my former thread, "When Dawn Meets Faith" Should have been > > "When Dawn hears about Faith" because everyone should be looking for Faith > > from the day she breaks out of prison. > > See what I think happened is this: The Magic Monks needed lots of paper > to falsify all of Dawn's information with, the doctors records, report > cards, school records, etc....so they took all of Faith's prison records, > scraped them clean, and then printed all of Dawn's info over it. Kind of like > the way Christians scraped all of the parchments clean in the Library of > Athens and then wrote the New Testament over it when they sacked Rome. > > Now Faith has no identifiable criminal history. All of the incriminating > information is covered up with Dawnie goodness. Criminal history is stored on hundreds of computers around the nation and in Washington DC-- all the servers that make up NCIC. It's not on paper any more.

2003-03-03 17:51:12-06:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <te2cnRoSkcuVJ_6jXTWcow@comcast.com>, "DarkMagic" <slnospambilan@comcast.net> wrote: > "Carmikl" <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote in message > news:3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com... > > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > > > > > > So it's been established that Willow is going to LA and returning > > > with Faith. Presumedly Buffy is aware of this, but then they do have a > > > habit of not keeping each other informed. > > > > Faith is an escaped convict. When someone escapes from San Quentin it's > > on the Bay Area TV and Radio news until he's captured. The escapee's > > pictures are in every newspaper. > > > > The police everywhere would be looking for her, and the Sunnydale > > Police should have checked out Casa Sommers since Joyce and Buffy were former > > victims. The first place they look for escapees is their former home, > > so the police and the CDC should be looking around Sunnydale for her. All > > of the Scoobies should know that Faith is out of prison and expecting > > her to arrive on their doorstep at any time. > > > > I guess my former thread, "When Dawn Meets Faith" Should have been > > "When Dawn hears about Faith" because everyone should be looking for Faith > > from the day she breaks out of prison. > > See what I think happened is this: The Magic Monks needed lots of paper > to falsify all of Dawn's information with, the doctors records, report > cards, school records, etc....so they took all of Faith's prison records, > scraped them clean, and then printed all of Dawn's info over it. Kind of like > the way Christians scraped all of the parchments clean in the Library of > Athens and then wrote the New Testament over it when they sacked Rome. > > Now Faith has no identifiable criminal history. All of the incriminating > information is covered up with Dawnie goodness. Criminal history is stored on hundreds of computers around the nation and in Washington DC-- all the servers that make up NCIC. It's not on paper any more.

2003-03-03 17:52:08-06:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <8925aa4d.0303031031.1e06112e@posting.google.com>, tnab76@yahoo.com (Kenny Abernathy) wrote: > Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote in message > news:<3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com>... > > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > > > > > > So it's been established that Willow is going to LA and returning > > > with Faith. Presumedly Buffy is aware of this, but then they do have a > > > habit of not keeping each other informed. > > > > Faith is an escaped convict. When someone escapes from San Quentin it's > > on the Bay Area TV and Radio news until he's captured. The escapee's > > pictures are in every newspaper. > > > > The police everywhere would be looking for her, and the Sunnydale > > Police should have checked out Casa Sommers since Joyce and Buffy were former > > victims. The first place they look for escapees is their former home, > > so the police and the CDC should be looking around Sunnydale for her. All > > of the Scoobies should know that Faith is out of prison and expecting > > her to arrive on their doorstep at any time. > > > > I guess my former thread, "When Dawn Meets Faith" Should have been > > "When Dawn hears about Faith" because everyone should be looking for Faith > > from the day she breaks out of prison. > > It's gonna partly depend on how the prison break is done. If there's > a huge explosion and lots of inmates die in the process, there's the > whole thing of identifying the bodies. That can take a little while. > While they'd definately have an alert for any potential escapees, they > wouldn't have anything definite until they determine which bodies are > lying about. > > Plus, it would probably be easier for Buffy to harbor Faith. As you > said, she and Joyce were victims. The police will come to Buffy, tell > her that Faith is free, maybe ask to search the premises, and ask her > to report to them if Faith shows up. They're looking at Buffy as a > possible target, not an abettor. Wonder what the police will think when they find 25 young girls living there without guardians, not going to school, etc.?

2003-03-03 17:52:08-06:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <8925aa4d.0303031031.1e06112e@posting.google.com>, tnab76@yahoo.com (Kenny Abernathy) wrote: > Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote in message > news:<3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com>... > > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > > > > > > So it's been established that Willow is going to LA and returning > > > with Faith. Presumedly Buffy is aware of this, but then they do have a > > > habit of not keeping each other informed. > > > > Faith is an escaped convict. When someone escapes from San Quentin it's > > on the Bay Area TV and Radio news until he's captured. The escapee's > > pictures are in every newspaper. > > > > The police everywhere would be looking for her, and the Sunnydale > > Police should have checked out Casa Sommers since Joyce and Buffy were former > > victims. The first place they look for escapees is their former home, > > so the police and the CDC should be looking around Sunnydale for her. All > > of the Scoobies should know that Faith is out of prison and expecting > > her to arrive on their doorstep at any time. > > > > I guess my former thread, "When Dawn Meets Faith" Should have been > > "When Dawn hears about Faith" because everyone should be looking for Faith > > from the day she breaks out of prison. > > It's gonna partly depend on how the prison break is done. If there's > a huge explosion and lots of inmates die in the process, there's the > whole thing of identifying the bodies. That can take a little while. > While they'd definately have an alert for any potential escapees, they > wouldn't have anything definite until they determine which bodies are > lying about. > > Plus, it would probably be easier for Buffy to harbor Faith. As you > said, she and Joyce were victims. The police will come to Buffy, tell > her that Faith is free, maybe ask to search the premises, and ask her > to report to them if Faith shows up. They're looking at Buffy as a > possible target, not an abettor. Wonder what the police will think when they find 25 young girls living there without guardians, not going to school, etc.?

2003-03-03 17:54:39-06:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <ff24e9ea.0303031022.2d6172d4@posting.google.com>, Willow.Rose@GTE.net (Dr. Bond) wrote: > Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote in message > news:<3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com>... > > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > > > > > > So it's been established that Willow is going to LA and returning > > > with Faith. Presumedly Buffy is aware of this, but then they do have a > > > habit of not keeping each other informed. > > > > Faith is an escaped convict. When someone escapes from San Quentin it's > > on the Bay Area TV and Radio news until he's captured. The escapee's > > pictures are in every newspaper. > > > > The police everywhere would be looking for her, and the Sunnydale > > Police should have checked out Casa Sommers since Joyce and Buffy were former > > victims. The first place they look for escapees is their former home, > > so the police and the CDC should be looking around Sunnydale for her. > > > Umm... it "Rained Fire"... children vampires are running around in the > streets... and did I mention the eternal night?.... I think the while > city is a disaster zone, and I doubt the jail is even still in one > piece, and most likely that's how she escapes. That's all well and good but Faith is not in the L.A. County Jail. She's in a max security facility somewhere else. We saw the exterior of the prison in "Judgment". It's not the city jail. It's a penitentiary.

2003-03-03 17:54:39-06:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <ff24e9ea.0303031022.2d6172d4@posting.google.com>, Willow.Rose@GTE.net (Dr. Bond) wrote: > Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote in message > news:<3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com>... > > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > > > > > > So it's been established that Willow is going to LA and returning > > > with Faith. Presumedly Buffy is aware of this, but then they do have a > > > habit of not keeping each other informed. > > > > Faith is an escaped convict. When someone escapes from San Quentin it's > > on the Bay Area TV and Radio news until he's captured. The escapee's > > pictures are in every newspaper. > > > > The police everywhere would be looking for her, and the Sunnydale > > Police should have checked out Casa Sommers since Joyce and Buffy were former > > victims. The first place they look for escapees is their former home, > > so the police and the CDC should be looking around Sunnydale for her. > > > Umm... it "Rained Fire"... children vampires are running around in the > streets... and did I mention the eternal night?.... I think the while > city is a disaster zone, and I doubt the jail is even still in one > piece, and most likely that's how she escapes. That's all well and good but Faith is not in the L.A. County Jail. She's in a max security facility somewhere else. We saw the exterior of the prison in "Judgment". It's not the city jail. It's a penitentiary.

2003-03-03 17:55:39-06:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <030320031118319774%antarian@pacbell.net>, PJ Browning <antarian@pacbell.net> wrote: > In article <3E63A221.8678FF76@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > I think you'll find that she escaped from a fully functioning State > > Prison, probably Frontara, and that's 40 miles from LA. > > and that kind of information falls into the realm of spoilers. > > after all, it sure as hell sounds like you know for a fact that the > prison is still in working order, etc. so you must have an inside > source. No, it can be deduced from watching the second season episode "Judgment". > also, there is no law that says that Joss can't put Faith in any > jail/prison he chooses. Including on that is in Los Angeles. There are no prisons in the city of Los Angeles.

2003-03-03 17:55:39-06:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <030320031118319774%antarian@pacbell.net>, PJ Browning <antarian@pacbell.net> wrote: > In article <3E63A221.8678FF76@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > I think you'll find that she escaped from a fully functioning State > > Prison, probably Frontara, and that's 40 miles from LA. > > and that kind of information falls into the realm of spoilers. > > after all, it sure as hell sounds like you know for a fact that the > prison is still in working order, etc. so you must have an inside > source. No, it can be deduced from watching the second season episode "Judgment". > also, there is no law that says that Joss can't put Faith in any > jail/prison he chooses. Including on that is in Los Angeles. There are no prisons in the city of Los Angeles.

2003-03-03 17:57:24-06:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <030320030901346754%antarian@pacbell.net>, PJ Browning <antarian@pacbell.net> wrote: > In article <zPL8a.56909$7_.245461@news1.mts.net>, John P. > <vergaiden@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > "Carmikl" <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote in message > > news:3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com... > > > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > > > the police and the CDC should be looking around Sunnydale for her. > > > All > > > > Help me out here, I'm drawing a blank: "CDC" ? > > > > All I can think of is Centre for Disease Control (and I'm pretty sure > > its not that) > > i believe that is supposed to be California Dept of Corrections. > > Although that really isn't who it would be. It would be the LA Dept of > Corrections that would be looking for Faith. And they would likely ask > for help from the Sunnydale police. Faith was convicted of at least one felony. In "Judgment" she was shown to be in a max security penitentiary. The exterior shots were not of the city jail. Therefore, it's highly unlikely she's still in the custody of LA County. She's most likely in the custody of the State Dept. of Corrections.

2003-03-03 17:57:24-06:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <030320030901346754%antarian@pacbell.net>, PJ Browning <antarian@pacbell.net> wrote: > In article <zPL8a.56909$7_.245461@news1.mts.net>, John P. > <vergaiden@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > "Carmikl" <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote in message > > news:3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com... > > > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > > > the police and the CDC should be looking around Sunnydale for her. > > > All > > > > Help me out here, I'm drawing a blank: "CDC" ? > > > > All I can think of is Centre for Disease Control (and I'm pretty sure > > its not that) > > i believe that is supposed to be California Dept of Corrections. > > Although that really isn't who it would be. It would be the LA Dept of > Corrections that would be looking for Faith. And they would likely ask > for help from the Sunnydale police. Faith was convicted of at least one felony. In "Judgment" she was shown to be in a max security penitentiary. The exterior shots were not of the city jail. Therefore, it's highly unlikely she's still in the custody of LA County. She's most likely in the custody of the State Dept. of Corrections.

2003-03-03 17:57:55-06:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <3E639245.905A260E@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > PJ Browning wrote: > > > > In article <zPL8a.56909$7_.245461@news1.mts.net>, John P. > > <vergaiden@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > "Carmikl" <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote in message > > > news:3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com... > > > > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > > > > > the police and the CDC should be looking around Sunnydale for her. > > > > All > > > > > > Help me out here, I'm drawing a blank: "CDC" ? > > > > > > All I can think of is Centre for Disease Control (and I'm pretty sure > > > its not that) > > > > i believe that is supposed to be California Dept of Corrections. > > > > Although that really isn't who it would be. It would be the LA Dept of > > Corrections that would be looking for Faith. And they would likely ask > > for help from the Sunnydale police. > > > > That is if they aren't too busy with the disaster that is going on. > > The city of Los Angeles has no authority over State Prisons. Since > Faith's sentence exceeded two years she was clearly in a state prison, When was the length of her sentence ever mentioned?

2003-03-03 17:57:55-06:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <3E639245.905A260E@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > PJ Browning wrote: > > > > In article <zPL8a.56909$7_.245461@news1.mts.net>, John P. > > <vergaiden@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > "Carmikl" <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote in message > > > news:3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com... > > > > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > > > > > the police and the CDC should be looking around Sunnydale for her. > > > > All > > > > > > Help me out here, I'm drawing a blank: "CDC" ? > > > > > > All I can think of is Centre for Disease Control (and I'm pretty sure > > > its not that) > > > > i believe that is supposed to be California Dept of Corrections. > > > > Although that really isn't who it would be. It would be the LA Dept of > > Corrections that would be looking for Faith. And they would likely ask > > for help from the Sunnydale police. > > > > That is if they aren't too busy with the disaster that is going on. > > The city of Los Angeles has no authority over State Prisons. Since > Faith's sentence exceeded two years she was clearly in a state prison, When was the length of her sentence ever mentioned?

2003-03-03 18:34:51+00:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (PJ Browning <antarian@pacbell.net>)


In article <vh776vshvvtqae009smj50f637fcprm403@4ax.com>, Rev. Cyohtee - O'k�home Ehohatse <cyohtee@barbarian.org> wrote: > Out of the ether PJ Browning <antarian@pacbell.net> rose up and issued > forth: > > >In article <3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > >> sillyman@famous.com wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > So it's been established that Willow is going to LA and returning with > >> > Faith. Presumedly Buffy is aware of this, but then they do have a > >> > habit of not keeping each other informed. > >> > >> Faith is an escaped convict. When someone escapes from San Quentin it's > >> on the Bay Area TV and Radio news until he's captured. The escapee's > >> pictures are in every newspaper. > > > >yes but when was the last time that someone escaped San Quentin during > >a freak of nature disaster like the sun going out. > > Not to mention vampires and demons taking over L.A. speculation alert . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . I wouldn't be surprised if Faith gets out because a gang of vamps decides to try a little prison food. If they got in fast enough, there wouldn't be time to alert anyone outside about what was happening. A big enough crew of vamps could get the guards and start on the prisons. it would take a bit of time for anyone to realize that Faith was missing. and even though it will take 3 weeks for us to see the action, I'm betting that it will be 48 hours tops.

2003-03-03 18:34:51+00:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (PJ Browning <antarian@pacbell.net>)


In article <vh776vshvvtqae009smj50f637fcprm403@4ax.com>, Rev. Cyohtee - O'k�home Ehohatse <cyohtee@barbarian.org> wrote: > Out of the ether PJ Browning <antarian@pacbell.net> rose up and issued > forth: > > >In article <3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > >> sillyman@famous.com wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > So it's been established that Willow is going to LA and returning with > >> > Faith. Presumedly Buffy is aware of this, but then they do have a > >> > habit of not keeping each other informed. > >> > >> Faith is an escaped convict. When someone escapes from San Quentin it's > >> on the Bay Area TV and Radio news until he's captured. The escapee's > >> pictures are in every newspaper. > > > >yes but when was the last time that someone escaped San Quentin during > >a freak of nature disaster like the sun going out. > > Not to mention vampires and demons taking over L.A. speculation alert . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . I wouldn't be surprised if Faith gets out because a gang of vamps decides to try a little prison food. If they got in fast enough, there wouldn't be time to alert anyone outside about what was happening. A big enough crew of vamps could get the guards and start on the prisons. it would take a bit of time for anyone to realize that Faith was missing. and even though it will take 3 weeks for us to see the action, I'm betting that it will be 48 hours tops.

2003-03-03 18:35:06+01:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Michael Dracon <MichaelDracon@hotmail.com>)


Carmikl wrote: > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > > > So it's been established that Willow is going to LA and returning with > > Faith. Presumedly Buffy is aware of this, but then they do have a > > habit of not keeping each other informed. I think Buffy will know, as Fred will call Willow. This phone call will be seen and/or mentioned in a Buffy episode, although Fred may not be visible in the episode. I think such a call will not go unnoticed by Buffy.

2003-03-03 18:35:06+01:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Michael Dracon <MichaelDracon@hotmail.com>)


Carmikl wrote: > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > > > So it's been established that Willow is going to LA and returning with > > Faith. Presumedly Buffy is aware of this, but then they do have a > > habit of not keeping each other informed. I think Buffy will know, as Fred will call Willow. This phone call will be seen and/or mentioned in a Buffy episode, although Fred may not be visible in the episode. I think such a call will not go unnoticed by Buffy.

2003-03-03 19:07:26-06:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <030320031601298450%antarian@pacbell.net>, PJ Browning <antarian@pacbell.net> wrote: > In article <BTR1702-DBC87F.17553903032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, BTR1701 > <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > In article <030320031118319774%antarian@pacbell.net>, PJ Browning > > <antarian@pacbell.net> wrote: > > > > > In article <3E63A221.8678FF76@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I think you'll find that she escaped from a fully functioning State > > > > Prison, probably Frontara, and that's 40 miles from LA. > > > > > > and that kind of information falls into the realm of spoilers. > > > > > > after all, it sure as hell sounds like you know for a fact that the > > > prison is still in working order, etc. so you must have an inside > > > source. > > > > No, it can be deduced from watching the second season episode > > "Judgment". > > that was two years ago. the key phrase is STILL IN WORKING ORDER. No, the key is the fact that she was shown to be in max security facility in that episode. No such facilities exist in LA so there's no reason to believe it wouldn't still be working. > > > also, there is no law that says that Joss can't put Faith in any > > > jail/prison he chooses. Including on that is in Los Angeles. > > > > There are no prisons in the city of Los Angeles. > > in the real LA, no. But THIS IS A TELEVISION SHOW. If Joss wants to > pretend like there is a prison in Los Angeles, then there is a prison > in Los Angeles. And he'd be full of shit. Joss can pretend Los Angeles is small town with a population of 198 that's 10 miles from the Canadian border. But it just ain't so.

2003-03-03 19:07:26-06:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <030320031601298450%antarian@pacbell.net>, PJ Browning <antarian@pacbell.net> wrote: > In article <BTR1702-DBC87F.17553903032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, BTR1701 > <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > In article <030320031118319774%antarian@pacbell.net>, PJ Browning > > <antarian@pacbell.net> wrote: > > > > > In article <3E63A221.8678FF76@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I think you'll find that she escaped from a fully functioning State > > > > Prison, probably Frontara, and that's 40 miles from LA. > > > > > > and that kind of information falls into the realm of spoilers. > > > > > > after all, it sure as hell sounds like you know for a fact that the > > > prison is still in working order, etc. so you must have an inside > > > source. > > > > No, it can be deduced from watching the second season episode > > "Judgment". > > that was two years ago. the key phrase is STILL IN WORKING ORDER. No, the key is the fact that she was shown to be in max security facility in that episode. No such facilities exist in LA so there's no reason to believe it wouldn't still be working. > > > also, there is no law that says that Joss can't put Faith in any > > > jail/prison he chooses. Including on that is in Los Angeles. > > > > There are no prisons in the city of Los Angeles. > > in the real LA, no. But THIS IS A TELEVISION SHOW. If Joss wants to > pretend like there is a prison in Los Angeles, then there is a prison > in Los Angeles. And he'd be full of shit. Joss can pretend Los Angeles is small town with a population of 198 that's 10 miles from the Canadian border. But it just ain't so.

2003-03-03 19:17:52+00:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (PJ Browning <antarian@pacbell.net>)


In article <3E63A221.8678FF76@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > I think you'll find that she escaped from a fully functioning State > Prison, probably Frontara, and that's 40 miles from LA. and that kind of information falls into the realm of spoilers. after all, it sure as hell sounds like you know for a fact that the prison is still in working order, etc. so you must have an inside source. also, there is no law that says that Joss can't put Faith in any jail/prison he chooses. Including on that is in Los Angeles. It doesn't have to be a real place. that's the beauty of tv.

2003-03-03 19:17:52+00:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (PJ Browning <antarian@pacbell.net>)


In article <3E63A221.8678FF76@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > I think you'll find that she escaped from a fully functioning State > Prison, probably Frontara, and that's 40 miles from LA. and that kind of information falls into the realm of spoilers. after all, it sure as hell sounds like you know for a fact that the prison is still in working order, etc. so you must have an inside source. also, there is no law that says that Joss can't put Faith in any jail/prison he chooses. Including on that is in Los Angeles. It doesn't have to be a real place. that's the beauty of tv.

2003-03-03 19:42:18-08:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


PJ Browning wrote: > > In article <YfU8a.313$Kh6.145992888@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>, Mike > Craney <mcraney@sbcglobalnospam.net> wrote: > > > > > Well, I'm desperately hoping for something more creating than a unilateral > > jailbreak on Faith's part > > I've got a rumor, > > it could be bunnies > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > > according to one spoiler that I saw posted a while back, a harbinger > tries to kill Faith. A fellow inmate with a Bringers knife. > > I also heard that Wesley breaks her out. Wesley asks her for help. I don't know if he helps her. Seems like he should go to Buffy, the Slayer not in prison, first. > > Either one works for me, but I'm thinking that Wesley is the most > likely. >

2003-03-03 19:42:18-08:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


PJ Browning wrote: > > In article <YfU8a.313$Kh6.145992888@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>, Mike > Craney <mcraney@sbcglobalnospam.net> wrote: > > > > > Well, I'm desperately hoping for something more creating than a unilateral > > jailbreak on Faith's part > > I've got a rumor, > > it could be bunnies > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > > according to one spoiler that I saw posted a while back, a harbinger > tries to kill Faith. A fellow inmate with a Bringers knife. > > I also heard that Wesley breaks her out. Wesley asks her for help. I don't know if he helps her. Seems like he should go to Buffy, the Slayer not in prison, first. > > Either one works for me, but I'm thinking that Wesley is the most > likely. >

2003-03-03 19:43:47-08:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


"Mathew R. Ignash" wrote: > > On Tue, 04 Mar 2003 02:00:44 GMT, PJ Browning wrote: > > "but Mr Judge, I thought he was a vampire. I would never have killed a > > human being." > > > > Yeah, that would work. > > How about something closer to the truth. > > "Mr. Judge, my friend Buffy and I were old walking later in an alley, and we were > jumped by a wild pack of (gang members on PCP). I defended myself with the only > weapon I could get ahold of, a pointy piece of wood, and then as I fought them off, > the Deputy Mayor turns the corner and I thought I was being attacked again, and I > stabbed him. Then freaked out by what happened, I hid the body." > > > > It was > > > Professor Lester Worth who she murdered. > > > > It's likely that she didn't mention the Deputy Mayor and confessed to > > killing Lester, which as you say, was murder. but even then, she didn't > > likely tell the exact truth. She probably played it as a break in and > > he surprised her and she freaked. > > Well I honestly don't think the Deputy Mayor thing was even part of her sentence, > otherwise the only witness to the crime, one miss Buffy Summers would need to be > called in and talked to, right? > > If they ONLY had her on mugging a few people and resisting arrest in LA, as a minor > no less, and being a little girl no less, I doubt they'd stick her in jail forever. > The LA police also had a warrant from Sunnydale.

2003-03-03 19:43:47-08:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


"Mathew R. Ignash" wrote: > > On Tue, 04 Mar 2003 02:00:44 GMT, PJ Browning wrote: > > "but Mr Judge, I thought he was a vampire. I would never have killed a > > human being." > > > > Yeah, that would work. > > How about something closer to the truth. > > "Mr. Judge, my friend Buffy and I were old walking later in an alley, and we were > jumped by a wild pack of (gang members on PCP). I defended myself with the only > weapon I could get ahold of, a pointy piece of wood, and then as I fought them off, > the Deputy Mayor turns the corner and I thought I was being attacked again, and I > stabbed him. Then freaked out by what happened, I hid the body." > > > > It was > > > Professor Lester Worth who she murdered. > > > > It's likely that she didn't mention the Deputy Mayor and confessed to > > killing Lester, which as you say, was murder. but even then, she didn't > > likely tell the exact truth. She probably played it as a break in and > > he surprised her and she freaked. > > Well I honestly don't think the Deputy Mayor thing was even part of her sentence, > otherwise the only witness to the crime, one miss Buffy Summers would need to be > called in and talked to, right? > > If they ONLY had her on mugging a few people and resisting arrest in LA, as a minor > no less, and being a little girl no less, I doubt they'd stick her in jail forever. > The LA police also had a warrant from Sunnydale.

2003-03-03 20:36:55-05:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - ("Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net>)


On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 08:03:13 -0800, Carmikl wrote: > Faith is an escaped convict. When someone escapes from San Quentin it's > on the Bay Area TV and Radio news until he's captured. The escapee's > pictures are in every newspaper. How do we know what prison Faith is in and what she was convicted of? Plus she may have been sentenced as a minor. SHould could already by in a half-way house by now, being re-habilitated, or already on paroll. Leaving for Sunnydale could be a parole violation. -- Mathew Homepage - http://mathew.fcpages.com/ Angel web site - http://angel.fcpages.com/

2003-03-03 20:36:55-05:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - ("Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net>)


On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 08:03:13 -0800, Carmikl wrote: > Faith is an escaped convict. When someone escapes from San Quentin it's > on the Bay Area TV and Radio news until he's captured. The escapee's > pictures are in every newspaper. How do we know what prison Faith is in and what she was convicted of? Plus she may have been sentenced as a minor. SHould could already by in a half-way house by now, being re-habilitated, or already on paroll. Leaving for Sunnydale could be a parole violation. -- Mathew Homepage - http://mathew.fcpages.com/ Angel web site - http://angel.fcpages.com/

2003-03-03 20:40:41-05:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - ("Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net>)


On Tue, 04 Mar 2003 01:24:04 GMT, John DiFool wrote: > Probably manslaughter, since killing the asst. Mayor was not > premeditated in any way (her Slayer instincts took over for a > moment-not that she was not culpable for being so reactive > and unthinking). Since when was the Death of the Dupty Mayor a problem? That was an accident. It was Professor Lester Worth who she murdered. -- Mathew Homepage - http://mathew.fcpages.com/ Angel web site - http://angel.fcpages.com/

2003-03-03 20:40:41-05:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - ("Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net>)


On Tue, 04 Mar 2003 01:24:04 GMT, John DiFool wrote: > Probably manslaughter, since killing the asst. Mayor was not > premeditated in any way (her Slayer instincts took over for a > moment-not that she was not culpable for being so reactive > and unthinking). Since when was the Death of the Dupty Mayor a problem? That was an accident. It was Professor Lester Worth who she murdered. -- Mathew Homepage - http://mathew.fcpages.com/ Angel web site - http://angel.fcpages.com/

2003-03-03 21:24:42-05:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - ("Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net>)


On Tue, 04 Mar 2003 02:00:44 GMT, PJ Browning wrote: > "but Mr Judge, I thought he was a vampire. I would never have killed a > human being." > > Yeah, that would work. How about something closer to the truth. "Mr. Judge, my friend Buffy and I were old walking later in an alley, and we were jumped by a wild pack of (gang members on PCP). I defended myself with the only weapon I could get ahold of, a pointy piece of wood, and then as I fought them off, the Deputy Mayor turns the corner and I thought I was being attacked again, and I stabbed him. Then freaked out by what happened, I hid the body." > > It was > > Professor Lester Worth who she murdered. > > It's likely that she didn't mention the Deputy Mayor and confessed to > killing Lester, which as you say, was murder. but even then, she didn't > likely tell the exact truth. She probably played it as a break in and > he surprised her and she freaked. Well I honestly don't think the Deputy Mayor thing was even part of her sentence, otherwise the only witness to the crime, one miss Buffy Summers would need to be called in and talked to, right? If they ONLY had her on mugging a few people and resisting arrest in LA, as a minor no less, and being a little girl no less, I doubt they'd stick her in jail forever. -- Mathew Homepage - http://mathew.fcpages.com/ Angel web site - http://angel.fcpages.com/

2003-03-03 21:24:42-05:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - ("Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net>)


On Tue, 04 Mar 2003 02:00:44 GMT, PJ Browning wrote: > "but Mr Judge, I thought he was a vampire. I would never have killed a > human being." > > Yeah, that would work. How about something closer to the truth. "Mr. Judge, my friend Buffy and I were old walking later in an alley, and we were jumped by a wild pack of (gang members on PCP). I defended myself with the only weapon I could get ahold of, a pointy piece of wood, and then as I fought them off, the Deputy Mayor turns the corner and I thought I was being attacked again, and I stabbed him. Then freaked out by what happened, I hid the body." > > It was > > Professor Lester Worth who she murdered. > > It's likely that she didn't mention the Deputy Mayor and confessed to > killing Lester, which as you say, was murder. but even then, she didn't > likely tell the exact truth. She probably played it as a break in and > he surprised her and she freaked. Well I honestly don't think the Deputy Mayor thing was even part of her sentence, otherwise the only witness to the crime, one miss Buffy Summers would need to be called in and talked to, right? If they ONLY had her on mugging a few people and resisting arrest in LA, as a minor no less, and being a little girl no less, I doubt they'd stick her in jail forever. -- Mathew Homepage - http://mathew.fcpages.com/ Angel web site - http://angel.fcpages.com/

2003-03-03 22:06:30-08:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


Don Sample wrote: > > In article <3E640585.DA1EB06B@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > John DiFool wrote: > > > > > > Probably manslaughter, since killing the asst. Mayor was not > > > premeditated in any way (her Slayer instincts took over for a > > > moment-not that she was not culpable for being so reactive > > > and unthinking). > > > > > Unless she confessed to killing the Professor. That was clearly cold > > blooded murder. > > This has been beaten into the ground a few times. You *can't* be > convicted on just a confession. There has to be some corroborating > evidence. Since Faith was confessing because she wanted to redeem herself, I'm sure she would have tried to provide the corroborating evidence. Didn't Buffy have the murder knife? It may have still had traces of the professor's blood. If Faith's intention was redemption, then she would have been as cooperative as possible. (A half decent lawyer probably could have gotten her off completely.) Faith was taking responsibility for her crimes. She didn't want a lawyer to get her off. She probably didn't even want a lawyer, though she may have been forced to accept one.

2003-03-03 22:06:30-08:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


Don Sample wrote: > > In article <3E640585.DA1EB06B@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > John DiFool wrote: > > > > > > Probably manslaughter, since killing the asst. Mayor was not > > > premeditated in any way (her Slayer instincts took over for a > > > moment-not that she was not culpable for being so reactive > > > and unthinking). > > > > > Unless she confessed to killing the Professor. That was clearly cold > > blooded murder. > > This has been beaten into the ground a few times. You *can't* be > convicted on just a confession. There has to be some corroborating > evidence. Since Faith was confessing because she wanted to redeem herself, I'm sure she would have tried to provide the corroborating evidence. Didn't Buffy have the murder knife? It may have still had traces of the professor's blood. If Faith's intention was redemption, then she would have been as cooperative as possible. (A half decent lawyer probably could have gotten her off completely.) Faith was taking responsibility for her crimes. She didn't want a lawyer to get her off. She probably didn't even want a lawyer, though she may have been forced to accept one.

2003-03-03 22:38:35-08:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


Don Sample wrote: > > In article <3E644266.724DB022@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > Don Sample wrote: > > > > > > In article <3E640585.DA1EB06B@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > > > > > John DiFool wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Probably manslaughter, since killing the asst. Mayor was not > > > > > premeditated in any way (her Slayer instincts took over for a > > > > > moment-not that she was not culpable for being so reactive > > > > > and unthinking). > > > > > > > > > Unless she confessed to killing the Professor. That was clearly cold > > > > blooded murder. > > > > > > This has been beaten into the ground a few times. You *can't* be > > > convicted on just a confession. There has to be some corroborating > > > evidence. > > > > Since Faith was confessing because she wanted to redeem herself, I'm > > sure she would have tried to provide the corroborating evidence. Didn't > > Buffy have the murder knife? It may have still had traces of the > > professor's blood. If Faith's intention was redemption, then she would > > have been as cooperative as possible. > > Buffy never had the knife. Any details of the crime that Faith may > give might not match what the official records say about how it > "really" happened. (The Coroner may have fudged the time of death so > that Faith would have an alibi, and things like that.) > Well once she implicated the Mayor in her confession, I'm sure they would have to make allowances for any kind of cover up. In fact, they'd probably investigate the investigation. She was confessing in LA not Sunnydale.

2003-03-03 22:38:35-08:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


Don Sample wrote: > > In article <3E644266.724DB022@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > Don Sample wrote: > > > > > > In article <3E640585.DA1EB06B@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > > > > > John DiFool wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Probably manslaughter, since killing the asst. Mayor was not > > > > > premeditated in any way (her Slayer instincts took over for a > > > > > moment-not that she was not culpable for being so reactive > > > > > and unthinking). > > > > > > > > > Unless she confessed to killing the Professor. That was clearly cold > > > > blooded murder. > > > > > > This has been beaten into the ground a few times. You *can't* be > > > convicted on just a confession. There has to be some corroborating > > > evidence. > > > > Since Faith was confessing because she wanted to redeem herself, I'm > > sure she would have tried to provide the corroborating evidence. Didn't > > Buffy have the murder knife? It may have still had traces of the > > professor's blood. If Faith's intention was redemption, then she would > > have been as cooperative as possible. > > Buffy never had the knife. Any details of the crime that Faith may > give might not match what the official records say about how it > "really" happened. (The Coroner may have fudged the time of death so > that Faith would have an alibi, and things like that.) > Well once she implicated the Mayor in her confession, I'm sure they would have to make allowances for any kind of cover up. In fact, they'd probably investigate the investigation. She was confessing in LA not Sunnydale.

2003-03-03 23:04:58-05:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - ("Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net>)


On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 19:43:47 -0800, Carmikl wrote: > "Mathew R. Ignash" wrote: > > > > On Tue, 04 Mar 2003 02:00:44 GMT, PJ Browning wrote: > > > "but Mr Judge, I thought he was a vampire. I would never have killed a > > > human being." > > > > > > Yeah, that would work. > > > > How about something closer to the truth. > > > > "Mr. Judge, my friend Buffy and I were old walking later in an alley, and we were > > jumped by a wild pack of (gang members on PCP). I defended myself with the only > > weapon I could get ahold of, a pointy piece of wood, and then as I fought them off, > > the Deputy Mayor turns the corner and I thought I was being attacked again, and I > > stabbed him. Then freaked out by what happened, I hid the body." > > > > > > It was > > > > Professor Lester Worth who she murdered. > > > > > > It's likely that she didn't mention the Deputy Mayor and confessed to > > > killing Lester, which as you say, was murder. but even then, she didn't > > > likely tell the exact truth. She probably played it as a break in and > > > he surprised her and she freaked. > > > > Well I honestly don't think the Deputy Mayor thing was even part of her sentence, > > otherwise the only witness to the crime, one miss Buffy Summers would need to be > > called in and talked to, right? > > > > If they ONLY had her on mugging a few people and resisting arrest in LA, as a minor > > no less, and being a little girl no less, I doubt they'd stick her in jail forever. > > > The LA police also had a warrant from Sunnydale. She was wanted for questioning about a murder. Doesn't mean she was convicted. -- Mathew Homepage - http://mathew.fcpages.com/ Angel web site - http://angel.fcpages.com/

2003-03-03 23:04:58-05:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - ("Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net>)


On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 19:43:47 -0800, Carmikl wrote: > "Mathew R. Ignash" wrote: > > > > On Tue, 04 Mar 2003 02:00:44 GMT, PJ Browning wrote: > > > "but Mr Judge, I thought he was a vampire. I would never have killed a > > > human being." > > > > > > Yeah, that would work. > > > > How about something closer to the truth. > > > > "Mr. Judge, my friend Buffy and I were old walking later in an alley, and we were > > jumped by a wild pack of (gang members on PCP). I defended myself with the only > > weapon I could get ahold of, a pointy piece of wood, and then as I fought them off, > > the Deputy Mayor turns the corner and I thought I was being attacked again, and I > > stabbed him. Then freaked out by what happened, I hid the body." > > > > > > It was > > > > Professor Lester Worth who she murdered. > > > > > > It's likely that she didn't mention the Deputy Mayor and confessed to > > > killing Lester, which as you say, was murder. but even then, she didn't > > > likely tell the exact truth. She probably played it as a break in and > > > he surprised her and she freaked. > > > > Well I honestly don't think the Deputy Mayor thing was even part of her sentence, > > otherwise the only witness to the crime, one miss Buffy Summers would need to be > > called in and talked to, right? > > > > If they ONLY had her on mugging a few people and resisting arrest in LA, as a minor > > no less, and being a little girl no less, I doubt they'd stick her in jail forever. > > > The LA police also had a warrant from Sunnydale. She was wanted for questioning about a murder. Doesn't mean she was convicted. -- Mathew Homepage - http://mathew.fcpages.com/ Angel web site - http://angel.fcpages.com/

2003-03-03 23:54:58-05:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)


In article <3E640585.DA1EB06B@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > John DiFool wrote: > > > > Probably manslaughter, since killing the asst. Mayor was not > > premeditated in any way (her Slayer instincts took over for a > > moment-not that she was not culpable for being so reactive > > and unthinking). > > > Unless she confessed to killing the Professor. That was clearly cold > blooded murder. This has been beaten into the ground a few times. You *can't* be convicted on just a confession. There has to be some corroborating evidence. (People confess to things they didn't do all the time.) If the Sunnydale police who investigated Lester Worth's death did the job the Mayor was paying them to do, there was no physical evidence collected at the scene which could implicate Faith in any way. The Coroner's description of the wound may not match the actual knife Faith used, and the body was probably cremated. The delivery guy with the box of Gavrok (if human) may have never been reported as a homicide at all. He just disappeared. No evidence. That leaves Allan Finch. It happened before Faith went onto the Mayor's payroll, and they did collect enough evidence at the time for Faith to become a suspect. A reasonable description of that killing (substitute street gang for vampires) would possibly lead to a manslaughter conviction. (A half decent lawyer probably could have gotten her off completely.) -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

2003-03-03 23:54:58-05:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)


In article <3E640585.DA1EB06B@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > John DiFool wrote: > > > > Probably manslaughter, since killing the asst. Mayor was not > > premeditated in any way (her Slayer instincts took over for a > > moment-not that she was not culpable for being so reactive > > and unthinking). > > > Unless she confessed to killing the Professor. That was clearly cold > blooded murder. This has been beaten into the ground a few times. You *can't* be convicted on just a confession. There has to be some corroborating evidence. (People confess to things they didn't do all the time.) If the Sunnydale police who investigated Lester Worth's death did the job the Mayor was paying them to do, there was no physical evidence collected at the scene which could implicate Faith in any way. The Coroner's description of the wound may not match the actual knife Faith used, and the body was probably cremated. The delivery guy with the box of Gavrok (if human) may have never been reported as a homicide at all. He just disappeared. No evidence. That leaves Allan Finch. It happened before Faith went onto the Mayor's payroll, and they did collect enough evidence at the time for Faith to become a suspect. A reasonable description of that killing (substitute street gang for vampires) would possibly lead to a manslaughter conviction. (A half decent lawyer probably could have gotten her off completely.) -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

2003-03-04 00:00:49+00:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (PJ Browning <antarian@pacbell.net>)


In article <BTR1702-DBC87F.17553903032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > In article <030320031118319774%antarian@pacbell.net>, PJ Browning > <antarian@pacbell.net> wrote: > > > In article <3E63A221.8678FF76@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > > > I think you'll find that she escaped from a fully functioning State > > > Prison, probably Frontara, and that's 40 miles from LA. > > > > and that kind of information falls into the realm of spoilers. > > > > after all, it sure as hell sounds like you know for a fact that the > > prison is still in working order, etc. so you must have an inside > > source. > > No, it can be deduced from watching the second season episode "Judgment". that was two years ago. the key phrase is STILL IN WORKING ORDER. > > > also, there is no law that says that Joss can't put Faith in any > > jail/prison he chooses. Including on that is in Los Angeles. > > There are no prisons in the city of Los Angeles. in the real LA, no. But THIS IS A TELEVISION SHOW. If Joss wants to pretend like there is a prison in Los Angeles, then there is a prison in Los Angeles.

2003-03-04 00:00:49+00:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (PJ Browning <antarian@pacbell.net>)


In article <BTR1702-DBC87F.17553903032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > In article <030320031118319774%antarian@pacbell.net>, PJ Browning > <antarian@pacbell.net> wrote: > > > In article <3E63A221.8678FF76@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > > > I think you'll find that she escaped from a fully functioning State > > > Prison, probably Frontara, and that's 40 miles from LA. > > > > and that kind of information falls into the realm of spoilers. > > > > after all, it sure as hell sounds like you know for a fact that the > > prison is still in working order, etc. so you must have an inside > > source. > > No, it can be deduced from watching the second season episode "Judgment". that was two years ago. the key phrase is STILL IN WORKING ORDER. > > > also, there is no law that says that Joss can't put Faith in any > > jail/prison he chooses. Including on that is in Los Angeles. > > There are no prisons in the city of Los Angeles. in the real LA, no. But THIS IS A TELEVISION SHOW. If Joss wants to pretend like there is a prison in Los Angeles, then there is a prison in Los Angeles.

2003-03-04 00:34:40-06:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Barb <noway@yahoo.com>)


"Don Sample" <dsample@synapse.net> wrote in message news:040320030113006616%dsample@synapse.net... > In article <3E644266.724DB022@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > Don Sample wrote: > > > > > > In article <3E640585.DA1EB06B@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > > > > > John DiFool wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Probably manslaughter, since killing the asst. Mayor was not > > > > > premeditated in any way (her Slayer instincts took over for a > > > > > moment-not that she was not culpable for being so reactive > > > > > and unthinking). > > > > > > > > > Unless she confessed to killing the Professor. That was clearly cold > > > > blooded murder. > > > > > > This has been beaten into the ground a few times. You *can't* be > > > convicted on just a confession. There has to be some corroborating > > > evidence. > > > > Since Faith was confessing because she wanted to redeem herself, I'm > > sure she would have tried to provide the corroborating evidence. Didn't > > Buffy have the murder knife? It may have still had traces of the > > professor's blood. If Faith's intention was redemption, then she would > > have been as cooperative as possible. > > Buffy never had the knife. Any details of the crime that Faith may > give might not match what the official records say about how it > "really" happened. (The Coroner may have fudged the time of death so > that Faith would have an alibi, and things like that.) > > -- > Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net > Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ > Quando omni flunkus moritati If the knife you're talking about is the one the Mayor gave to Faith, Buffy did to have it. It's what she used to get Large Snake Type Mayor to chase her into the library so they could blow him up. It would be the same knife Buffy stabbed Faith with...she took Faith's knife and stabbed her with it. Barb

2003-03-04 00:34:40-06:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Barb <noway@yahoo.com>)


"Don Sample" <dsample@synapse.net> wrote in message news:040320030113006616%dsample@synapse.net... > In article <3E644266.724DB022@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > Don Sample wrote: > > > > > > In article <3E640585.DA1EB06B@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > > > > > John DiFool wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Probably manslaughter, since killing the asst. Mayor was not > > > > > premeditated in any way (her Slayer instincts took over for a > > > > > moment-not that she was not culpable for being so reactive > > > > > and unthinking). > > > > > > > > > Unless she confessed to killing the Professor. That was clearly cold > > > > blooded murder. > > > > > > This has been beaten into the ground a few times. You *can't* be > > > convicted on just a confession. There has to be some corroborating > > > evidence. > > > > Since Faith was confessing because she wanted to redeem herself, I'm > > sure she would have tried to provide the corroborating evidence. Didn't > > Buffy have the murder knife? It may have still had traces of the > > professor's blood. If Faith's intention was redemption, then she would > > have been as cooperative as possible. > > Buffy never had the knife. Any details of the crime that Faith may > give might not match what the official records say about how it > "really" happened. (The Coroner may have fudged the time of death so > that Faith would have an alibi, and things like that.) > > -- > Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net > Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ > Quando omni flunkus moritati If the knife you're talking about is the one the Mayor gave to Faith, Buffy did to have it. It's what she used to get Large Snake Type Mayor to chase her into the library so they could blow him up. It would be the same knife Buffy stabbed Faith with...she took Faith's knife and stabbed her with it. Barb

2003-03-04 00:49:23-06:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <b41hdq$1r3trs$1@ID-148497.news.dfncis.de>, "Barb" <noway@yahoo.com> wrote: > "Don Sample" <dsample@synapse.net> wrote in message > news:040320030113006616%dsample@synapse.net... > > In article <3E644266.724DB022@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Don Sample wrote: > > > > > > > > In article <3E640585.DA1EB06B@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > John DiFool wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Probably manslaughter, since killing the asst. Mayor was > > > > > > not > > > > > > premeditated in any way (her Slayer instincts took over for a > > > > > > moment-not that she was not culpable for being so reactive > > > > > > and unthinking). > > > > > > > > > > > Unless she confessed to killing the Professor. That was clearly > > > > > cold blooded murder. > > > > > > > > This has been beaten into the ground a few times. You *can't* be > > > > convicted on just a confession. There has to be some corroborating > > > > evidence. > > > > > > Since Faith was confessing because she wanted to redeem herself, I'm > > > sure she would have tried to provide the corroborating evidence. > > > Didn't Buffy have the murder knife? It may have still had traces of the > > > professor's blood. If Faith's intention was redemption, then she > > > would have been as cooperative as possible. > > > > Buffy never had the knife. Any details of the crime that Faith may > > give might not match what the official records say about how it > > "really" happened. (The Coroner may have fudged the time of death so > > that Faith would have an alibi, and things like that.) > If the knife you're talking about is the one the Mayor gave to Faith, > Buffy did to have it. It's not. She killed Worth with a different knife. Buffy never had it.

2003-03-04 00:49:23-06:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <b41hdq$1r3trs$1@ID-148497.news.dfncis.de>, "Barb" <noway@yahoo.com> wrote: > "Don Sample" <dsample@synapse.net> wrote in message > news:040320030113006616%dsample@synapse.net... > > In article <3E644266.724DB022@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Don Sample wrote: > > > > > > > > In article <3E640585.DA1EB06B@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > John DiFool wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Probably manslaughter, since killing the asst. Mayor was > > > > > > not > > > > > > premeditated in any way (her Slayer instincts took over for a > > > > > > moment-not that she was not culpable for being so reactive > > > > > > and unthinking). > > > > > > > > > > > Unless she confessed to killing the Professor. That was clearly > > > > > cold blooded murder. > > > > > > > > This has been beaten into the ground a few times. You *can't* be > > > > convicted on just a confession. There has to be some corroborating > > > > evidence. > > > > > > Since Faith was confessing because she wanted to redeem herself, I'm > > > sure she would have tried to provide the corroborating evidence. > > > Didn't Buffy have the murder knife? It may have still had traces of the > > > professor's blood. If Faith's intention was redemption, then she > > > would have been as cooperative as possible. > > > > Buffy never had the knife. Any details of the crime that Faith may > > give might not match what the official records say about how it > > "really" happened. (The Coroner may have fudged the time of death so > > that Faith would have an alibi, and things like that.) > If the knife you're talking about is the one the Mayor gave to Faith, > Buffy did to have it. It's not. She killed Worth with a different knife. Buffy never had it.

2003-03-04 01:13:00-05:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)


In article <3E644266.724DB022@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > Don Sample wrote: > > > > In article <3E640585.DA1EB06B@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > > > John DiFool wrote: > > > > > > > > Probably manslaughter, since killing the asst. Mayor was not > > > > premeditated in any way (her Slayer instincts took over for a > > > > moment-not that she was not culpable for being so reactive > > > > and unthinking). > > > > > > > Unless she confessed to killing the Professor. That was clearly cold > > > blooded murder. > > > > This has been beaten into the ground a few times. You *can't* be > > convicted on just a confession. There has to be some corroborating > > evidence. > > Since Faith was confessing because she wanted to redeem herself, I'm > sure she would have tried to provide the corroborating evidence. Didn't > Buffy have the murder knife? It may have still had traces of the > professor's blood. If Faith's intention was redemption, then she would > have been as cooperative as possible. Buffy never had the knife. Any details of the crime that Faith may give might not match what the official records say about how it "really" happened. (The Coroner may have fudged the time of death so that Faith would have an alibi, and things like that.) -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

2003-03-04 01:13:00-05:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)


In article <3E644266.724DB022@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > Don Sample wrote: > > > > In article <3E640585.DA1EB06B@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > > > John DiFool wrote: > > > > > > > > Probably manslaughter, since killing the asst. Mayor was not > > > > premeditated in any way (her Slayer instincts took over for a > > > > moment-not that she was not culpable for being so reactive > > > > and unthinking). > > > > > > > Unless she confessed to killing the Professor. That was clearly cold > > > blooded murder. > > > > This has been beaten into the ground a few times. You *can't* be > > convicted on just a confession. There has to be some corroborating > > evidence. > > Since Faith was confessing because she wanted to redeem herself, I'm > sure she would have tried to provide the corroborating evidence. Didn't > Buffy have the murder knife? It may have still had traces of the > professor's blood. If Faith's intention was redemption, then she would > have been as cooperative as possible. Buffy never had the knife. Any details of the crime that Faith may give might not match what the official records say about how it "really" happened. (The Coroner may have fudged the time of death so that Faith would have an alibi, and things like that.) -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

2003-03-04 01:20:49+00:00 - Demons exist! [Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler)] - (John DiFool <jdifool@earthlink.net>)


"Rev. Cyohtee - O'k�home Ehohatse" wrote: > Out of the ether PJ Browning <antarian@pacbell.net> rose up and issued > forth: > > >In article <3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > >> sillyman@famous.com wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > So it's been established that Willow is going to LA and returning with > >> > Faith. Presumedly Buffy is aware of this, but then they do have a > >> > habit of not keeping each other informed. > >> > >> Faith is an escaped convict. When someone escapes from San Quentin it's > >> on the Bay Area TV and Radio news until he's captured. The escapee's > >> pictures are in every newspaper. > > > >yes but when was the last time that someone escaped San Quentin during > >a freak of nature disaster like the sun going out. > > Not to mention vampires and demons taking over L.A. > > > > >there's a damm good chance at this point that the media is at a > >standstill with little news going out other than disaster info for the > >victims. > > If they can even get that out. I doubt that many tv/radio stations in > the L.A. area are even still on the air by this point. > > By now though the reporters which ARE still in town have pretty much indicated to the general populace that demons and other supernatural baddies are real. And since this is the biggest story going down ever since civilization started (think about it) there WILL be loads of press coverage, if mainly from out-of-town sources. CNN for example will be wall- to-wall with basic coverage as well as commentary (and I am sure the religious right will be advertising it as the Biblical Apocalypse). The rest of the country is probably full of demonstrations, rallies, riots, chaos of every sort, and the Dow has probably plummeted past 1000. So why haven't any reporters shown up at the door of Angel Investigations? Any journalist with the right connections would be right there (if they can run the vampire gauntlet of course). John DiFool -- ============================================ Reach heaven far too high ============================================

2003-03-04 01:20:49+00:00 - Demons exist! [Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler)] - (John DiFool <jdifool@earthlink.net>)


"Rev. Cyohtee - O'k�home Ehohatse" wrote: > Out of the ether PJ Browning <antarian@pacbell.net> rose up and issued > forth: > > >In article <3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > >> sillyman@famous.com wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > So it's been established that Willow is going to LA and returning with > >> > Faith. Presumedly Buffy is aware of this, but then they do have a > >> > habit of not keeping each other informed. > >> > >> Faith is an escaped convict. When someone escapes from San Quentin it's > >> on the Bay Area TV and Radio news until he's captured. The escapee's > >> pictures are in every newspaper. > > > >yes but when was the last time that someone escaped San Quentin during > >a freak of nature disaster like the sun going out. > > Not to mention vampires and demons taking over L.A. > > > > >there's a damm good chance at this point that the media is at a > >standstill with little news going out other than disaster info for the > >victims. > > If they can even get that out. I doubt that many tv/radio stations in > the L.A. area are even still on the air by this point. > > By now though the reporters which ARE still in town have pretty much indicated to the general populace that demons and other supernatural baddies are real. And since this is the biggest story going down ever since civilization started (think about it) there WILL be loads of press coverage, if mainly from out-of-town sources. CNN for example will be wall- to-wall with basic coverage as well as commentary (and I am sure the religious right will be advertising it as the Biblical Apocalypse). The rest of the country is probably full of demonstrations, rallies, riots, chaos of every sort, and the Dow has probably plummeted past 1000. So why haven't any reporters shown up at the door of Angel Investigations? Any journalist with the right connections would be right there (if they can run the vampire gauntlet of course). John DiFool -- ============================================ Reach heaven far too high ============================================

2003-03-04 01:24:04+00:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (John DiFool <jdifool@earthlink.net>)


Carmikl wrote: > BTR1701 wrote: > > > > In article <3E639245.905A260E@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> > > wrote: > > > > > PJ Browning wrote: > > > > > > > > In article <zPL8a.56909$7_.245461@news1.mts.net>, John P. > > > > <vergaiden@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > "Carmikl" <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote in message > > > > > news:3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com... > > > > > > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > the police and the CDC should be looking around Sunnydale for her. > > > > > > All > > > > > > > > > > Help me out here, I'm drawing a blank: "CDC" ? > > > > > > > > > > All I can think of is Centre for Disease Control (and I'm pretty sure > > > > > its not that) > > > > > > > > i believe that is supposed to be California Dept of Corrections. > > > > > > > > Although that really isn't who it would be. It would be the LA Dept of > > > > Corrections that would be looking for Faith. And they would likely ask > > > > for help from the Sunnydale police. > > > > > > > > That is if they aren't too busy with the disaster that is going on. > > > > > > The city of Los Angeles has no authority over State Prisons. Since > > > Faith's sentence exceeded two years she was clearly in a state prison, > > > > When was the length of her sentence ever mentioned? > > Never was but she's been in prison over two years. Probably manslaughter, since killing the asst. Mayor was not premeditated in any way (her Slayer instincts took over for a moment-not that she was not culpable for being so reactive and unthinking). John DiFool -- ============================================ Reach heaven far too high ============================================

2003-03-04 01:24:04+00:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (John DiFool <jdifool@earthlink.net>)


Carmikl wrote: > BTR1701 wrote: > > > > In article <3E639245.905A260E@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> > > wrote: > > > > > PJ Browning wrote: > > > > > > > > In article <zPL8a.56909$7_.245461@news1.mts.net>, John P. > > > > <vergaiden@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > "Carmikl" <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote in message > > > > > news:3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com... > > > > > > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > the police and the CDC should be looking around Sunnydale for her. > > > > > > All > > > > > > > > > > Help me out here, I'm drawing a blank: "CDC" ? > > > > > > > > > > All I can think of is Centre for Disease Control (and I'm pretty sure > > > > > its not that) > > > > > > > > i believe that is supposed to be California Dept of Corrections. > > > > > > > > Although that really isn't who it would be. It would be the LA Dept of > > > > Corrections that would be looking for Faith. And they would likely ask > > > > for help from the Sunnydale police. > > > > > > > > That is if they aren't too busy with the disaster that is going on. > > > > > > The city of Los Angeles has no authority over State Prisons. Since > > > Faith's sentence exceeded two years she was clearly in a state prison, > > > > When was the length of her sentence ever mentioned? > > Never was but she's been in prison over two years. Probably manslaughter, since killing the asst. Mayor was not premeditated in any way (her Slayer instincts took over for a moment-not that she was not culpable for being so reactive and unthinking). John DiFool -- ============================================ Reach heaven far too high ============================================

2003-03-04 01:25:24+00:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Mike Craney <mcraney@sbcglobalnospam.net>)


"John DiFool" <jdifool@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:3E640148.F5664DA@earthlink.net... > > > > Never was but she's been in prison over two years. > > Probably manslaughter, since killing the asst. Mayor was not > premeditated in any way (her Slayer instincts took over for a > moment-not that she was not culpable for being so reactive > and unthinking). Could she have been a minor at the time, as well? Mike

2003-03-04 01:25:24+00:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Mike Craney <mcraney@sbcglobalnospam.net>)


"John DiFool" <jdifool@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:3E640148.F5664DA@earthlink.net... > > > > Never was but she's been in prison over two years. > > Probably manslaughter, since killing the asst. Mayor was not > premeditated in any way (her Slayer instincts took over for a > moment-not that she was not culpable for being so reactive > and unthinking). Could she have been a minor at the time, as well? Mike

2003-03-04 01:42:18-06:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Barb <noway@yahoo.com>)


"BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:BTR1702-D5A23E.00492304032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com... > In article <b41hdq$1r3trs$1@ID-148497.news.dfncis.de>, "Barb" > <noway@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > "Don Sample" <dsample@synapse.net> wrote in message > > news:040320030113006616%dsample@synapse.net... > > > In article <3E644266.724DB022@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Don Sample wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In article <3E640585.DA1EB06B@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > Buffy never had the knife. Any details of the crime that Faith may > > > give might not match what the official records say about how it > > > "really" happened. (The Coroner may have fudged the time of death so > > > that Faith would have an alibi, and things like that.) > > > If the knife you're talking about is the one the Mayor gave to Faith, > > Buffy did to have it. > > It's not. She killed Worth with a different knife. Buffy never had it. ok -- it's been a long time since I've watched those epis....my fragile brain only remembers Faith killing the one guy by mistake with a stake(I think) and then the spanking new shiny knife that Daddy Mayor gave her.... Barb

2003-03-04 01:42:18-06:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Barb <noway@yahoo.com>)


"BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:BTR1702-D5A23E.00492304032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com... > In article <b41hdq$1r3trs$1@ID-148497.news.dfncis.de>, "Barb" > <noway@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > "Don Sample" <dsample@synapse.net> wrote in message > > news:040320030113006616%dsample@synapse.net... > > > In article <3E644266.724DB022@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Don Sample wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In article <3E640585.DA1EB06B@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > Buffy never had the knife. Any details of the crime that Faith may > > > give might not match what the official records say about how it > > > "really" happened. (The Coroner may have fudged the time of death so > > > that Faith would have an alibi, and things like that.) > > > If the knife you're talking about is the one the Mayor gave to Faith, > > Buffy did to have it. > > It's not. She killed Worth with a different knife. Buffy never had it. ok -- it's been a long time since I've watched those epis....my fragile brain only remembers Faith killing the one guy by mistake with a stake(I think) and then the spanking new shiny knife that Daddy Mayor gave her.... Barb

2003-03-04 01:53:26+00:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (PJ Browning <antarian@pacbell.net>)


In article <8gT8a.307$vY2.132189344@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>, Mike Craney <mcraney@sbcglobalnospam.net> wrote: > "John DiFool" <jdifool@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:3E640148.F5664DA@earthlink.net... > > > > > > Never was but she's been in prison over two years. > > > > Probably manslaughter, since killing the asst. Mayor was not > > premeditated in any way (her Slayer instincts took over for a > > moment-not that she was not culpable for being so reactive > > and unthinking). > > Could she have been a minor at the time, as well? She was at least 16. Many states have laws concerning major crimes conmitted by a minor. Said laws make it possible to try a minor as an adult, depending on the crime. but here's the catch, there was no one guarding Faith when she was in the Coma. had they really believed that she was a hardened criminal, they would have had her in a locked ward of some kind. even the psych ward would have been better than nothing. My guess is that the cops had no clue what she had done until she turned herself in. The fact that she did it on her own would have helped her a lot. Joyce and Wesley likely didn't press any charges, so Faith couldn't be tried for those two crimes. Angel certainty didn't press charges for the various assaults on him. It's most likely that no one knew that anything happened at all. Faith could argue that the Asst Mayor was self defense and she might be able to convince a jury of it. She can't plead Slayer instincts cause they would think she was crazy. Faith had no criminal record that we know of. She confessed to the crime and was sent to prison. The US correctional system is so messed up that she'd likely be out in 5-6 years if she stays out of trouble. Things are going to get dicey now. With WR&H dead, Faith will certainly not be out legally. Once they figure out that she's missing, they will be looking for her. Unless of course they have reason to believe that she is dead (my guess for how it will play).

2003-03-04 01:53:26+00:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (PJ Browning <antarian@pacbell.net>)


In article <8gT8a.307$vY2.132189344@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>, Mike Craney <mcraney@sbcglobalnospam.net> wrote: > "John DiFool" <jdifool@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:3E640148.F5664DA@earthlink.net... > > > > > > Never was but she's been in prison over two years. > > > > Probably manslaughter, since killing the asst. Mayor was not > > premeditated in any way (her Slayer instincts took over for a > > moment-not that she was not culpable for being so reactive > > and unthinking). > > Could she have been a minor at the time, as well? She was at least 16. Many states have laws concerning major crimes conmitted by a minor. Said laws make it possible to try a minor as an adult, depending on the crime. but here's the catch, there was no one guarding Faith when she was in the Coma. had they really believed that she was a hardened criminal, they would have had her in a locked ward of some kind. even the psych ward would have been better than nothing. My guess is that the cops had no clue what she had done until she turned herself in. The fact that she did it on her own would have helped her a lot. Joyce and Wesley likely didn't press any charges, so Faith couldn't be tried for those two crimes. Angel certainty didn't press charges for the various assaults on him. It's most likely that no one knew that anything happened at all. Faith could argue that the Asst Mayor was self defense and she might be able to convince a jury of it. She can't plead Slayer instincts cause they would think she was crazy. Faith had no criminal record that we know of. She confessed to the crime and was sent to prison. The US correctional system is so messed up that she'd likely be out in 5-6 years if she stays out of trouble. Things are going to get dicey now. With WR&H dead, Faith will certainly not be out legally. Once they figure out that she's missing, they will be looking for her. Unless of course they have reason to believe that she is dead (my guess for how it will play).

2003-03-04 02:00:44+00:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (PJ Browning <antarian@pacbell.net>)


In article <9192124014154315.NC-1.55.mathewignash@news.mi.comcast.giganews.com>, Mathew R. Ignash <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote: > On Tue, 04 Mar 2003 01:24:04 GMT, John DiFool wrote: > > Probably manslaughter, since killing the asst. Mayor was not > > premeditated in any way (her Slayer instincts took over for a > > moment-not that she was not culpable for being so reactive > > and unthinking). > > Since when was the Death of the Dupty Mayor a problem? That was an accident. "but Mr Judge, I thought he was a vampire. I would never have killed a human being." Yeah, that would work. > It was > Professor Lester Worth who she murdered. It's likely that she didn't mention the Deputy Mayor and confessed to killing Lester, which as you say, was murder. but even then, she didn't likely tell the exact truth. She probably played it as a break in and he surprised her and she freaked. Or maybe she didn't confess to either of them. Maybe she's in jail for kidnapping and assault (ya know, when she knocked the shit out of Wesley). We never found out exactly what it was. But there has always been the implication that she would possibly get out one day. so it isn't a death sentence for sure.

2003-03-04 02:00:44+00:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (PJ Browning <antarian@pacbell.net>)


In article <9192124014154315.NC-1.55.mathewignash@news.mi.comcast.giganews.com>, Mathew R. Ignash <mathewignash@comcast.net> wrote: > On Tue, 04 Mar 2003 01:24:04 GMT, John DiFool wrote: > > Probably manslaughter, since killing the asst. Mayor was not > > premeditated in any way (her Slayer instincts took over for a > > moment-not that she was not culpable for being so reactive > > and unthinking). > > Since when was the Death of the Dupty Mayor a problem? That was an accident. "but Mr Judge, I thought he was a vampire. I would never have killed a human being." Yeah, that would work. > It was > Professor Lester Worth who she murdered. It's likely that she didn't mention the Deputy Mayor and confessed to killing Lester, which as you say, was murder. but even then, she didn't likely tell the exact truth. She probably played it as a break in and he surprised her and she freaked. Or maybe she didn't confess to either of them. Maybe she's in jail for kidnapping and assault (ya know, when she knocked the shit out of Wesley). We never found out exactly what it was. But there has always been the implication that she would possibly get out one day. so it isn't a death sentence for sure.

2003-03-04 02:33:28+00:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Mike Craney <mcraney@sbcglobalnospam.net>)


"PJ Browning" <antarian@pacbell.net> wrote in message news:030320031754048785%antarian@pacbell.net... > In article <8gT8a.307$vY2.132189344@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>, Mike > Craney <mcraney@sbcglobalnospam.net> wrote: > > > "John DiFool" <jdifool@earthlink.net> wrote in message > > news:3E640148.F5664DA@earthlink.net... > > > > > > > > Never was but she's been in prison over two years. > > > > > > Probably manslaughter, since killing the asst. Mayor was not > > > premeditated in any way (her Slayer instincts took over for a > > > moment-not that she was not culpable for being so reactive > > > and unthinking). > > > > Could she have been a minor at the time, as well? > > > She was at least 16. Many states have laws concerning major crimes > conmitted by a minor. Said laws make it possible to try a minor as an > adult, depending on the crime. > > but here's the catch, there was no one guarding Faith when she was in > the Coma. had they really believed that she was a hardened criminal, > they would have had her in a locked ward of some kind. even the psych > ward would have been better than nothing. > > My guess is that the cops had no clue what she had done until she > turned herself in. The fact that she did it on her own would have > helped her a lot. Joyce and Wesley likely didn't press any charges, so > Faith couldn't be tried for those two crimes. Angel certainty didn't > press charges for the various assaults on him. It's most likely that no > one knew that anything happened at all. > > Faith could argue that the Asst Mayor was self defense and she might be > able to convince a jury of it. She can't plead Slayer instincts cause > they would think she was crazy. > > Faith had no criminal record that we know of. She confessed to the > crime and was sent to prison. The US correctional system is so messed > up that she'd likely be out in 5-6 years if she stays out of trouble. > > Things are going to get dicey now. With WR&H dead, Faith will certainly > not be out legally. Once they figure out that she's missing, they will > be looking for her. Unless of course they have reason to believe that > she is dead (my guess for how it will play). Well, I'm desperately hoping for something more creating than a unilateral jailbreak on Faith's part (which also is inconsistent with the "face the music" fatalistic attitude she developed at the end of her last stint). Being released because she actually had a very short sentence (per your reasoning above) would be OK. A dramatic dash to get "reinforcements" by Wesley, with a more dramatic jailbreak would be OK. Best would be that the darkness had grown to reach the prison where she is held, and all the crap accompanying 24/7 darkness just leads to the jailers being killed or running for their lives, allowing her to kind of walk out amidst the chaos. I am also hoping for a new, focused, more mature, and driven Faith, and not the immature wiseass we had before. You know, a heroine's heroine, instead of somebody who plays the hero simply because she sees it all as a big game. Being really, really dark and broody would be good, too. Mike

2003-03-04 02:33:28+00:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Mike Craney <mcraney@sbcglobalnospam.net>)


"PJ Browning" <antarian@pacbell.net> wrote in message news:030320031754048785%antarian@pacbell.net... > In article <8gT8a.307$vY2.132189344@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>, Mike > Craney <mcraney@sbcglobalnospam.net> wrote: > > > "John DiFool" <jdifool@earthlink.net> wrote in message > > news:3E640148.F5664DA@earthlink.net... > > > > > > > > Never was but she's been in prison over two years. > > > > > > Probably manslaughter, since killing the asst. Mayor was not > > > premeditated in any way (her Slayer instincts took over for a > > > moment-not that she was not culpable for being so reactive > > > and unthinking). > > > > Could she have been a minor at the time, as well? > > > She was at least 16. Many states have laws concerning major crimes > conmitted by a minor. Said laws make it possible to try a minor as an > adult, depending on the crime. > > but here's the catch, there was no one guarding Faith when she was in > the Coma. had they really believed that she was a hardened criminal, > they would have had her in a locked ward of some kind. even the psych > ward would have been better than nothing. > > My guess is that the cops had no clue what she had done until she > turned herself in. The fact that she did it on her own would have > helped her a lot. Joyce and Wesley likely didn't press any charges, so > Faith couldn't be tried for those two crimes. Angel certainty didn't > press charges for the various assaults on him. It's most likely that no > one knew that anything happened at all. > > Faith could argue that the Asst Mayor was self defense and she might be > able to convince a jury of it. She can't plead Slayer instincts cause > they would think she was crazy. > > Faith had no criminal record that we know of. She confessed to the > crime and was sent to prison. The US correctional system is so messed > up that she'd likely be out in 5-6 years if she stays out of trouble. > > Things are going to get dicey now. With WR&H dead, Faith will certainly > not be out legally. Once they figure out that she's missing, they will > be looking for her. Unless of course they have reason to believe that > she is dead (my guess for how it will play). Well, I'm desperately hoping for something more creating than a unilateral jailbreak on Faith's part (which also is inconsistent with the "face the music" fatalistic attitude she developed at the end of her last stint). Being released because she actually had a very short sentence (per your reasoning above) would be OK. A dramatic dash to get "reinforcements" by Wesley, with a more dramatic jailbreak would be OK. Best would be that the darkness had grown to reach the prison where she is held, and all the crap accompanying 24/7 darkness just leads to the jailers being killed or running for their lives, allowing her to kind of walk out amidst the chaos. I am also hoping for a new, focused, more mature, and driven Faith, and not the immature wiseass we had before. You know, a heroine's heroine, instead of somebody who plays the hero simply because she sees it all as a big game. Being really, really dark and broody would be good, too. Mike

2003-03-04 02:43:20+00:00 - Re: Demons exist! [Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler)] - (klyfix@aol.comedy)


In article <3E640082.E667E08E@earthlink.net>, John DiFool <jdifool@earthlink.net> writes: > > By now though the reporters which ARE still in town have >pretty much indicated to the general populace that demons >and other supernatural baddies are real. And since this is the >biggest story going down ever since civilization started (think >about it) there WILL be loads of press coverage, if mainly >from out-of-town sources. CNN for example will be wall- >to-wall with basic coverage as well as commentary (and I >am sure the religious right will be advertising it as the Biblical >Apocalypse). The rest of the country is probably full of >demonstrations, rallies, riots, chaos of every sort, and the Dow >has probably plummeted past 1000. > So why haven't any reporters shown up at the door of >Angel Investigations? Any journalist with the right connections >would be right there (if they can run the vampire gauntlet of >course). > Because that doesn't fit the storyline, alas. For all that I like the current story, the writers aren't taking into consideration all the implications involved in having such obvious manifestations of Dark Supernatural Forces. Heck, in The Real World LA would be under marital law with soldiers in the streets and as it's _already_ been established that the government has people around who know about this stuff LA would _not_ in fact be dangerous anymore. Remember, vampires in the Buffyverse just aren't all that tough; a unit of soldiers with the proper equipment (remember again, the government _knows_ about vampires) would take them out better than a group of hunters going for rabbits. So the writers, because they aren't wanting to write a story about what happens when the whole world suddenly finds out about the existance of the supernatural evils of the Buffyverse, are simply ignoring what would really happen. V. S. Greene : klyfix@aol.com : Boston, near Arkham... Eckzylon: http://m1.aol.com/klyfix/eckzylon.html A rodent with mad skillz, uh, no.

2003-03-04 02:43:20+00:00 - Re: Demons exist! [Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler)] - (klyfix@aol.comedy)


In article <3E640082.E667E08E@earthlink.net>, John DiFool <jdifool@earthlink.net> writes: > > By now though the reporters which ARE still in town have >pretty much indicated to the general populace that demons >and other supernatural baddies are real. And since this is the >biggest story going down ever since civilization started (think >about it) there WILL be loads of press coverage, if mainly >from out-of-town sources. CNN for example will be wall- >to-wall with basic coverage as well as commentary (and I >am sure the religious right will be advertising it as the Biblical >Apocalypse). The rest of the country is probably full of >demonstrations, rallies, riots, chaos of every sort, and the Dow >has probably plummeted past 1000. > So why haven't any reporters shown up at the door of >Angel Investigations? Any journalist with the right connections >would be right there (if they can run the vampire gauntlet of >course). > Because that doesn't fit the storyline, alas. For all that I like the current story, the writers aren't taking into consideration all the implications involved in having such obvious manifestations of Dark Supernatural Forces. Heck, in The Real World LA would be under marital law with soldiers in the streets and as it's _already_ been established that the government has people around who know about this stuff LA would _not_ in fact be dangerous anymore. Remember, vampires in the Buffyverse just aren't all that tough; a unit of soldiers with the proper equipment (remember again, the government _knows_ about vampires) would take them out better than a group of hunters going for rabbits. So the writers, because they aren't wanting to write a story about what happens when the whole world suddenly finds out about the existance of the supernatural evils of the Buffyverse, are simply ignoring what would really happen. V. S. Greene : klyfix@aol.com : Boston, near Arkham... Eckzylon: http://m1.aol.com/klyfix/eckzylon.html A rodent with mad skillz, uh, no.

2003-03-04 02:48:22+00:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (PJ Browning <antarian@pacbell.net>)


In article <YfU8a.313$Kh6.145992888@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>, Mike Craney <mcraney@sbcglobalnospam.net> wrote: > > Well, I'm desperately hoping for something more creating than a unilateral > jailbreak on Faith's part I've got a rumor, it could be bunnies . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . according to one spoiler that I saw posted a while back, a harbinger tries to kill Faith. I also heard that Wesley breaks her out. Either one works for me, but I'm thinking that Wesley is the most likely. > I am also hoping for a new, focused, more mature, and driven Faith, but that wouldn't be any fun. let her keep a bit of the wiseass. Faith is a lot like Gunn, or at least how he was when we first saw him. They have both grown up a lot in the last couple of years. But when it comes to the baddies, Gunn is still a wiseass at times. I hope Faith is the same.

2003-03-04 02:48:22+00:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (PJ Browning <antarian@pacbell.net>)


In article <YfU8a.313$Kh6.145992888@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>, Mike Craney <mcraney@sbcglobalnospam.net> wrote: > > Well, I'm desperately hoping for something more creating than a unilateral > jailbreak on Faith's part I've got a rumor, it could be bunnies . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . according to one spoiler that I saw posted a while back, a harbinger tries to kill Faith. I also heard that Wesley breaks her out. Either one works for me, but I'm thinking that Wesley is the most likely. > I am also hoping for a new, focused, more mature, and driven Faith, but that wouldn't be any fun. let her keep a bit of the wiseass. Faith is a lot like Gunn, or at least how he was when we first saw him. They have both grown up a lot in the last couple of years. But when it comes to the baddies, Gunn is still a wiseass at times. I hope Faith is the same.

2003-03-04 04:00:35+00:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (PJ Browning <antarian@pacbell.net>)


In article <3E6420F3.F6A09A4E@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > The LA police also had a warrant from Sunnydale. which was likely from the girl that she jumped at the hospital.

2003-03-04 04:00:35+00:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (PJ Browning <antarian@pacbell.net>)


In article <3E6420F3.F6A09A4E@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > The LA police also had a warrant from Sunnydale. which was likely from the girl that she jumped at the hospital.

2003-03-04 05:29:31-08:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


Growltiger wrote: > > Previously on alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer, Carmikl@rcn.com wrote in article > <3E6425AB.DB884EAD@rcn.com>... > [snipped] > > > > There are only two California State Prisons for women in California, > > Chowchilla an Frontara. Frontara is about 40 miles from LA. Faith has > > already been in prison too long for her to be in a county jail. > > > > > > > I apologize for being a spell checker here, heaven knows I have > committed many blunders in spelling and syntax. But since the error is > to a place, I thought I should mention it: I believe Carmikl means > Fontana, California and not Frontara. I have never heard of a Frontara, > CA. > > But searching the California Department of Corrections web site, there > is no Fontana facility. There are four facilities: Corona (which is > closer to Fontana than Los Angeles: Fontana is north of Riverside, CA, > and Corona is south of Riverside), Chowchilla (this has two), and > Stockton Sorry, I meant Frontera (Corona) I got it right in my other posts. I guess I was in a hurry. Here's the link I posted yesterday morning: > This has probably been Faith's home for the past three years: http://www.cdc.state.ca.us/institutionsdiv/instdiv/facilities/fac_prison_ciw.asp

2003-03-04 05:29:31-08:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


Growltiger wrote: > > Previously on alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer, Carmikl@rcn.com wrote in article > <3E6425AB.DB884EAD@rcn.com>... > [snipped] > > > > There are only two California State Prisons for women in California, > > Chowchilla an Frontara. Frontara is about 40 miles from LA. Faith has > > already been in prison too long for her to be in a county jail. > > > > > > > I apologize for being a spell checker here, heaven knows I have > committed many blunders in spelling and syntax. But since the error is > to a place, I thought I should mention it: I believe Carmikl means > Fontana, California and not Frontara. I have never heard of a Frontara, > CA. > > But searching the California Department of Corrections web site, there > is no Fontana facility. There are four facilities: Corona (which is > closer to Fontana than Los Angeles: Fontana is north of Riverside, CA, > and Corona is south of Riverside), Chowchilla (this has two), and > Stockton Sorry, I meant Frontera (Corona) I got it right in my other posts. I guess I was in a hurry. Here's the link I posted yesterday morning: > This has probably been Faith's home for the past three years: http://www.cdc.state.ca.us/institutionsdiv/instdiv/facilities/fac_prison_ciw.asp

2003-03-04 06:38:57-06:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <b41n4c$a4s$7@blue.rahul.net>, arromdee@mauve.rahul.net (Ken Arromdee) wrote: > In article <BTR1702-21CBE7.17572403032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, > BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > >Faith was convicted of at least one felony. > > We don't know this. Yes, we do. Anything that results in prison time longer than a year is a felony. That's the definition of felony.

2003-03-04 06:38:57-06:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <b41n4c$a4s$7@blue.rahul.net>, arromdee@mauve.rahul.net (Ken Arromdee) wrote: > In article <BTR1702-21CBE7.17572403032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, > BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > >Faith was convicted of at least one felony. > > We don't know this. Yes, we do. Anything that results in prison time longer than a year is a felony. That's the definition of felony.

2003-03-04 09:24:53-08:00 - Re: Demons exist! [Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler)] - (himiko@animail.net)


John DiFool <jdifool@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<3E640082.E667E08E@earthlink.net>... > "Rev. Cyohtee - O'k�home Ehohatse" wrote: > > > Out of the ether PJ Browning <antarian@pacbell.net> rose up and issued > > forth: > > > > >In article <3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > > > >> sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > >> > > >> > > > >> > So it's been established that Willow is going to LA and returning with > > >> > Faith. Presumedly Buffy is aware of this, but then they do have a > > >> > habit of not keeping each other informed. > > >> > > >> Faith is an escaped convict. When someone escapes from San Quentin it's > > >> on the Bay Area TV and Radio news until he's captured. The escapee's > > >> pictures are in every newspaper. > > > > > >yes but when was the last time that someone escaped San Quentin during > > >a freak of nature disaster like the sun going out. > > > > Not to mention vampires and demons taking over L.A. > > > > > > > >there's a damm good chance at this point that the media is at a > > >standstill with little news going out other than disaster info for the > > >victims. > > > > If they can even get that out. I doubt that many tv/radio stations in > > the L.A. area are even still on the air by this point. > > > > > > By now though the reporters which ARE still in town have > pretty much indicated to the general populace that demons > and other supernatural baddies are real. And since this is the > biggest story going down ever since civilization started (think > about it) there WILL be loads of press coverage, if mainly > from out-of-town sources. CNN for example will be wall- > to-wall with basic coverage as well as commentary (and I > am sure the religious right will be advertising it as the Biblical > Apocalypse). The rest of the country is probably full of > demonstrations, rallies, riots, chaos of every sort, and the Dow > has probably plummeted past 1000. Not necessarily...except for the DOW; that plummets. But my guess would be that the US government would cordon off LA entirely and describe it to the rest of the country as having been hit by terrorists using an unknown weapon of mass destruction. The country would be on high alert, not to mention on the verge of panic, but the majority of sheep...er, citizens...would accept the need for quarantine under the jurisdiction of Homeland Security. Other affected countries would likely react in the same way, more or less. > So why haven't any reporters shown up at the door of > Angel Investigations? Any journalist with the right connections > would be right there (if they can run the vampire gauntlet of > course). Speaking of sheep...what on earth makes you think this? A journalist with "connections" is a journalist who has sold out, and will meekly go on the air or the Internet or even paper with whatever pap the government dished out at the last briefing. There once was a time when journalists were adventurers and anarchists. Even in wartime, they ignored government injunctions, marched their lonely butts through enemy lines, and came back with stories. Sometimes they got killed. Sometimes they made a lot of trouble with erroneous stories. But mostly they fulfilled their function which is or was to provide the public with a side of the "truth" they might not be getting from the authorities. I keep hoping that the Internet, which eliminates the ability to censor stories at the time of publication, will actually embolden some members of the press to revive this fine old tradition, but by now "investigative reporting" (I.E. getting the story "they" don't want you to get} seems to refer only to crimes and sex scandals. himiko

2003-03-04 09:24:53-08:00 - Re: Demons exist! [Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler)] - (himiko@animail.net)


John DiFool <jdifool@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<3E640082.E667E08E@earthlink.net>... > "Rev. Cyohtee - O'k�home Ehohatse" wrote: > > > Out of the ether PJ Browning <antarian@pacbell.net> rose up and issued > > forth: > > > > >In article <3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > > > >> sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > >> > > >> > > > >> > So it's been established that Willow is going to LA and returning with > > >> > Faith. Presumedly Buffy is aware of this, but then they do have a > > >> > habit of not keeping each other informed. > > >> > > >> Faith is an escaped convict. When someone escapes from San Quentin it's > > >> on the Bay Area TV and Radio news until he's captured. The escapee's > > >> pictures are in every newspaper. > > > > > >yes but when was the last time that someone escaped San Quentin during > > >a freak of nature disaster like the sun going out. > > > > Not to mention vampires and demons taking over L.A. > > > > > > > >there's a damm good chance at this point that the media is at a > > >standstill with little news going out other than disaster info for the > > >victims. > > > > If they can even get that out. I doubt that many tv/radio stations in > > the L.A. area are even still on the air by this point. > > > > > > By now though the reporters which ARE still in town have > pretty much indicated to the general populace that demons > and other supernatural baddies are real. And since this is the > biggest story going down ever since civilization started (think > about it) there WILL be loads of press coverage, if mainly > from out-of-town sources. CNN for example will be wall- > to-wall with basic coverage as well as commentary (and I > am sure the religious right will be advertising it as the Biblical > Apocalypse). The rest of the country is probably full of > demonstrations, rallies, riots, chaos of every sort, and the Dow > has probably plummeted past 1000. Not necessarily...except for the DOW; that plummets. But my guess would be that the US government would cordon off LA entirely and describe it to the rest of the country as having been hit by terrorists using an unknown weapon of mass destruction. The country would be on high alert, not to mention on the verge of panic, but the majority of sheep...er, citizens...would accept the need for quarantine under the jurisdiction of Homeland Security. Other affected countries would likely react in the same way, more or less. > So why haven't any reporters shown up at the door of > Angel Investigations? Any journalist with the right connections > would be right there (if they can run the vampire gauntlet of > course). Speaking of sheep...what on earth makes you think this? A journalist with "connections" is a journalist who has sold out, and will meekly go on the air or the Internet or even paper with whatever pap the government dished out at the last briefing. There once was a time when journalists were adventurers and anarchists. Even in wartime, they ignored government injunctions, marched their lonely butts through enemy lines, and came back with stories. Sometimes they got killed. Sometimes they made a lot of trouble with erroneous stories. But mostly they fulfilled their function which is or was to provide the public with a side of the "truth" they might not be getting from the authorities. I keep hoping that the Internet, which eliminates the ability to censor stories at the time of publication, will actually embolden some members of the press to revive this fine old tradition, but by now "investigative reporting" (I.E. getting the story "they" don't want you to get} seems to refer only to crimes and sex scandals. himiko

2003-03-04 10:46:02-05:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (DarkMagic <slnospambilan@comcast.net>)


"BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:BTR1702-F69666.17511203032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com... > In article <te2cnRoSkcuVJ_6jXTWcow@comcast.com>, "DarkMagic" > <slnospambilan@comcast.net> wrote: > > > "Carmikl" <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote in message > > news:3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com... > > > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > So it's been established that Willow is going to LA and returning > > > > with Faith. Presumedly Buffy is aware of this, but then they do have a > > > > habit of not keeping each other informed. > > > > > > Faith is an escaped convict. When someone escapes from San Quentin it's > > > on the Bay Area TV and Radio news until he's captured. The escapee's > > > pictures are in every newspaper. > > > > > > The police everywhere would be looking for her, and the Sunnydale > > > Police should have checked out Casa Sommers since Joyce and Buffy were former > > > victims. The first place they look for escapees is their former home, > > > so the police and the CDC should be looking around Sunnydale for her. All > > > of the Scoobies should know that Faith is out of prison and expecting > > > her to arrive on their doorstep at any time. > > > > > > I guess my former thread, "When Dawn Meets Faith" Should have been > > > "When Dawn hears about Faith" because everyone should be looking for Faith > > > from the day she breaks out of prison. > > > > See what I think happened is this: The Magic Monks needed lots of paper > > to falsify all of Dawn's information with, the doctors records, report > > cards, school records, etc....so they took all of Faith's prison records, > > scraped them clean, and then printed all of Dawn's info over it. Kind of like > > the way Christians scraped all of the parchments clean in the Library of > > Athens and then wrote the New Testament over it when they sacked Rome. > > > > Now Faith has no identifiable criminal history. All of the incriminating > > information is covered up with Dawnie goodness. > > Criminal history is stored on hundreds of computers around the nation > and in Washington DC-- all the servers that make up NCIC. It's not on > paper any more. The Magic Monks needed lots and lots of computer storage space to falsify all of Dawn's records. All of those doctors records, school records, etc...so they erased all of Faith's criminal file records to make room for all of that Dawnie goodness. -- Shannon Cordelia: "Angel is only happy when he's fighting evil. Let's drum up a little!" Doyle: "I don't know why we're looking for evil when we got you here."

2003-03-04 10:46:02-05:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (DarkMagic <slnospambilan@comcast.net>)


"BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:BTR1702-F69666.17511203032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com... > In article <te2cnRoSkcuVJ_6jXTWcow@comcast.com>, "DarkMagic" > <slnospambilan@comcast.net> wrote: > > > "Carmikl" <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote in message > > news:3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com... > > > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > So it's been established that Willow is going to LA and returning > > > > with Faith. Presumedly Buffy is aware of this, but then they do have a > > > > habit of not keeping each other informed. > > > > > > Faith is an escaped convict. When someone escapes from San Quentin it's > > > on the Bay Area TV and Radio news until he's captured. The escapee's > > > pictures are in every newspaper. > > > > > > The police everywhere would be looking for her, and the Sunnydale > > > Police should have checked out Casa Sommers since Joyce and Buffy were former > > > victims. The first place they look for escapees is their former home, > > > so the police and the CDC should be looking around Sunnydale for her. All > > > of the Scoobies should know that Faith is out of prison and expecting > > > her to arrive on their doorstep at any time. > > > > > > I guess my former thread, "When Dawn Meets Faith" Should have been > > > "When Dawn hears about Faith" because everyone should be looking for Faith > > > from the day she breaks out of prison. > > > > See what I think happened is this: The Magic Monks needed lots of paper > > to falsify all of Dawn's information with, the doctors records, report > > cards, school records, etc....so they took all of Faith's prison records, > > scraped them clean, and then printed all of Dawn's info over it. Kind of like > > the way Christians scraped all of the parchments clean in the Library of > > Athens and then wrote the New Testament over it when they sacked Rome. > > > > Now Faith has no identifiable criminal history. All of the incriminating > > information is covered up with Dawnie goodness. > > Criminal history is stored on hundreds of computers around the nation > and in Washington DC-- all the servers that make up NCIC. It's not on > paper any more. The Magic Monks needed lots and lots of computer storage space to falsify all of Dawn's records. All of those doctors records, school records, etc...so they erased all of Faith's criminal file records to make room for all of that Dawnie goodness. -- Shannon Cordelia: "Angel is only happy when he's fighting evil. Let's drum up a little!" Doyle: "I don't know why we're looking for evil when we got you here."

2003-03-04 10:59:14-05:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)


In article <b41lek$1q0r10$1@ID-148497.news.dfncis.de>, Barb <noway@yahoo.com> wrote: > "BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message > news:BTR1702-D5A23E.00492304032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com... > > In article <b41hdq$1r3trs$1@ID-148497.news.dfncis.de>, "Barb" > > <noway@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > "Don Sample" <dsample@synapse.net> wrote in message > > > news:040320030113006616%dsample@synapse.net... > > > > Buffy never had the knife. Any details of the crime that Faith may > > > > give might not match what the official records say about how it > > > > "really" happened. (The Coroner may have fudged the time of death so > > > > that Faith would have an alibi, and things like that.) > > > > > If the knife you're talking about is the one the Mayor gave to Faith, > > > Buffy did to have it. > > > > It's not. She killed Worth with a different knife. Buffy never had it. > > ok -- it's been a long time since I've watched those epis....my fragile > brain only remembers Faith killing the one guy by mistake with a stake(I > think) and then the spanking new shiny knife that Daddy Mayor gave her.... > > Barb She lost her Hibben Jackel to Buffy in the same episode she got it. (_Choices_) She never had a chance to kill anyone with it. She did use it to cut off one guy's hand. -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

2003-03-04 10:59:14-05:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)


In article <b41lek$1q0r10$1@ID-148497.news.dfncis.de>, Barb <noway@yahoo.com> wrote: > "BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message > news:BTR1702-D5A23E.00492304032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com... > > In article <b41hdq$1r3trs$1@ID-148497.news.dfncis.de>, "Barb" > > <noway@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > "Don Sample" <dsample@synapse.net> wrote in message > > > news:040320030113006616%dsample@synapse.net... > > > > Buffy never had the knife. Any details of the crime that Faith may > > > > give might not match what the official records say about how it > > > > "really" happened. (The Coroner may have fudged the time of death so > > > > that Faith would have an alibi, and things like that.) > > > > > If the knife you're talking about is the one the Mayor gave to Faith, > > > Buffy did to have it. > > > > It's not. She killed Worth with a different knife. Buffy never had it. > > ok -- it's been a long time since I've watched those epis....my fragile > brain only remembers Faith killing the one guy by mistake with a stake(I > think) and then the spanking new shiny knife that Daddy Mayor gave her.... > > Barb She lost her Hibben Jackel to Buffy in the same episode she got it. (_Choices_) She never had a chance to kill anyone with it. She did use it to cut off one guy's hand. -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

2003-03-04 11:16:38-05:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)


In article <3E6449EB.58C16823@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > Don Sample wrote: > > > > In article <3E644266.724DB022@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > > > Don Sample wrote: > > > > > > > > In article <3E640585.DA1EB06B@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > John DiFool wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Probably manslaughter, since killing the asst. Mayor was not > > > > > > premeditated in any way (her Slayer instincts took over for a > > > > > > moment-not that she was not culpable for being so reactive > > > > > > and unthinking). > > > > > > > > > > > Unless she confessed to killing the Professor. That was clearly cold > > > > > blooded murder. > > > > > > > > This has been beaten into the ground a few times. You *can't* be > > > > convicted on just a confession. There has to be some corroborating > > > > evidence. > > > > > > Since Faith was confessing because she wanted to redeem herself, I'm > > > sure she would have tried to provide the corroborating evidence. Didn't > > > Buffy have the murder knife? It may have still had traces of the > > > professor's blood. If Faith's intention was redemption, then she would > > > have been as cooperative as possible. > > > > Buffy never had the knife. Any details of the crime that Faith may > > give might not match what the official records say about how it > > "really" happened. (The Coroner may have fudged the time of death so > > that Faith would have an alibi, and things like that.) > > > Well once she implicated the Mayor in her confession, I'm sure they > would have to make allowances for any kind of cover up. In fact, they'd > probably investigate the investigation. She was confessing in LA not > Sunnydale. Unless they actually get the Coroner to say how he fudged the records, the most they could hope for would be to get the records declared inadmissable, which is the same as no corroborating evidence. If they did start investigating, and learned just how wide spread the corruption in Sunnydale was, Faith's lawyer suddenly has lots of leverage for making deals. -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

2003-03-04 11:16:38-05:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)


In article <3E6449EB.58C16823@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > Don Sample wrote: > > > > In article <3E644266.724DB022@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > > > Don Sample wrote: > > > > > > > > In article <3E640585.DA1EB06B@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > John DiFool wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Probably manslaughter, since killing the asst. Mayor was not > > > > > > premeditated in any way (her Slayer instincts took over for a > > > > > > moment-not that she was not culpable for being so reactive > > > > > > and unthinking). > > > > > > > > > > > Unless she confessed to killing the Professor. That was clearly cold > > > > > blooded murder. > > > > > > > > This has been beaten into the ground a few times. You *can't* be > > > > convicted on just a confession. There has to be some corroborating > > > > evidence. > > > > > > Since Faith was confessing because she wanted to redeem herself, I'm > > > sure she would have tried to provide the corroborating evidence. Didn't > > > Buffy have the murder knife? It may have still had traces of the > > > professor's blood. If Faith's intention was redemption, then she would > > > have been as cooperative as possible. > > > > Buffy never had the knife. Any details of the crime that Faith may > > give might not match what the official records say about how it > > "really" happened. (The Coroner may have fudged the time of death so > > that Faith would have an alibi, and things like that.) > > > Well once she implicated the Mayor in her confession, I'm sure they > would have to make allowances for any kind of cover up. In fact, they'd > probably investigate the investigation. She was confessing in LA not > Sunnydale. Unless they actually get the Coroner to say how he fudged the records, the most they could hope for would be to get the records declared inadmissable, which is the same as no corroborating evidence. If they did start investigating, and learned just how wide spread the corruption in Sunnydale was, Faith's lawyer suddenly has lots of leverage for making deals. -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

2003-03-04 13:05:04-05:00 - Re: Demons exist! [Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler)] - (Sean Christian Daugherty <sean.daugherty@oberlin.edu>)


On Tue, 04 Mar 2003 01:20:49 GMT, John DiFool <jdifool@earthlink.net> wrote: > So why haven't any reporters shown up at the door of >Angel Investigations? Any journalist with the right connections >would be right there (if they can run the vampire gauntlet of >course). Because inhabitants of the Whedonverse are particularly skilled at denying the very, very obvious. We've been told and shown that from day one. Is something wrong going on in LA? Certainly. But, given enough of an opportunity, and mayhaps with the aid of certain parties with a vested interest in covering the supernatural aspects of it all up (like whomever picked up the pieces of the Initiative), all you have is a nasty riot brought about by unusual meteorological happenings. The basic attitude of the writers is, and always has been, that people are willing to swallow ridiculous stories like this precisely because they, on some level, suspect the truth, and don't want to have to face it. The existence of demons and the supernatural is not the state secret some fans want to think it is, anyway: more than enough people know the truth, its just not generally talked about. So the happenings in Los Angeles may easily catch the attention of various people, but it's hardly a major expose source. -- Sean Christian Daugherty <sean.daugherty@oberlin.edu> "I am the silence that is incomprehensible, and the idea whose remembrance is frequent. I am the voice whose sound is manifold, and the word whose appearance is multiple. I am the utterance of my name," - "The Thunder, Perfect Mind"

2003-03-04 13:05:04-05:00 - Re: Demons exist! [Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler)] - (Sean Christian Daugherty <sean.daugherty@oberlin.edu>)


On Tue, 04 Mar 2003 01:20:49 GMT, John DiFool <jdifool@earthlink.net> wrote: > So why haven't any reporters shown up at the door of >Angel Investigations? Any journalist with the right connections >would be right there (if they can run the vampire gauntlet of >course). Because inhabitants of the Whedonverse are particularly skilled at denying the very, very obvious. We've been told and shown that from day one. Is something wrong going on in LA? Certainly. But, given enough of an opportunity, and mayhaps with the aid of certain parties with a vested interest in covering the supernatural aspects of it all up (like whomever picked up the pieces of the Initiative), all you have is a nasty riot brought about by unusual meteorological happenings. The basic attitude of the writers is, and always has been, that people are willing to swallow ridiculous stories like this precisely because they, on some level, suspect the truth, and don't want to have to face it. The existence of demons and the supernatural is not the state secret some fans want to think it is, anyway: more than enough people know the truth, its just not generally talked about. So the happenings in Los Angeles may easily catch the attention of various people, but it's hardly a major expose source. -- Sean Christian Daugherty <sean.daugherty@oberlin.edu> "I am the silence that is incomprehensible, and the idea whose remembrance is frequent. I am the voice whose sound is manifold, and the word whose appearance is multiple. I am the utterance of my name," - "The Thunder, Perfect Mind"

2003-03-04 13:12:30-08:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Willow.Rose@GTE.net)


BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<BTR1702-9D4FFA.19072603032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com>... > In article <030320031601298450%antarian@pacbell.net>, PJ Browning > <antarian@pacbell.net> wrote: > > > In article <BTR1702-DBC87F.17553903032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, BTR1701 > > <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > > > In article <030320031118319774%antarian@pacbell.net>, PJ Browning > > > <antarian@pacbell.net> wrote: > > > > > > > In article <3E63A221.8678FF76@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I think you'll find that she escaped from a fully functioning State > > > > > Prison, probably Frontara, and that's 40 miles from LA. > > > > > > > > and that kind of information falls into the realm of spoilers. > > > > > > > > after all, it sure as hell sounds like you know for a fact that the > > > > prison is still in working order, etc. so you must have an inside > > > > source. > > > > > > No, it can be deduced from watching the second season episode > > > "Judgment". > > > > that was two years ago. the key phrase is STILL IN WORKING ORDER. > > No, the key is the fact that she was shown to be in max security > facility in that episode. No such facilities exist in LA so there's no > reason to believe it wouldn't still be working. > > > > > also, there is no law that says that Joss can't put Faith in any > > > > jail/prison he chooses. Including on that is in Los Angeles. > > > > > > There are no prisons in the city of Los Angeles. > > > > in the real LA, no. But THIS IS A TELEVISION SHOW. If Joss wants to > > pretend like there is a prison in Los Angeles, then there is a prison > > in Los Angeles. > > And he'd be full of shit. Joss can pretend Los Angeles is small town > with a population of 198 that's 10 miles from the Canadian border. But > it just ain't so. And so... Sunnydale is a 'real' place then, because Joss would be "Full of Shit" if he made such a town up.... ? And there is a really big building that actually houses Wolfham & Hart, full of evil lawyers.... (err, was) Oh! Hey! Show me where that demon Karoke bar is! I wana go sing a reading of my fortune/karma... Also, while were at it, what's the radius of the 'circle of darkness' in which everything is Night? I doubt it's morfing itself to fit the contours of the county lines. For all we know it's slowly growing to soon cover the entire earth. That would make sense, from a demony plan point of view.

2003-03-04 13:12:30-08:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Willow.Rose@GTE.net)


BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<BTR1702-9D4FFA.19072603032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com>... > In article <030320031601298450%antarian@pacbell.net>, PJ Browning > <antarian@pacbell.net> wrote: > > > In article <BTR1702-DBC87F.17553903032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, BTR1701 > > <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > > > In article <030320031118319774%antarian@pacbell.net>, PJ Browning > > > <antarian@pacbell.net> wrote: > > > > > > > In article <3E63A221.8678FF76@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I think you'll find that she escaped from a fully functioning State > > > > > Prison, probably Frontara, and that's 40 miles from LA. > > > > > > > > and that kind of information falls into the realm of spoilers. > > > > > > > > after all, it sure as hell sounds like you know for a fact that the > > > > prison is still in working order, etc. so you must have an inside > > > > source. > > > > > > No, it can be deduced from watching the second season episode > > > "Judgment". > > > > that was two years ago. the key phrase is STILL IN WORKING ORDER. > > No, the key is the fact that she was shown to be in max security > facility in that episode. No such facilities exist in LA so there's no > reason to believe it wouldn't still be working. > > > > > also, there is no law that says that Joss can't put Faith in any > > > > jail/prison he chooses. Including on that is in Los Angeles. > > > > > > There are no prisons in the city of Los Angeles. > > > > in the real LA, no. But THIS IS A TELEVISION SHOW. If Joss wants to > > pretend like there is a prison in Los Angeles, then there is a prison > > in Los Angeles. > > And he'd be full of shit. Joss can pretend Los Angeles is small town > with a population of 198 that's 10 miles from the Canadian border. But > it just ain't so. And so... Sunnydale is a 'real' place then, because Joss would be "Full of Shit" if he made such a town up.... ? And there is a really big building that actually houses Wolfham & Hart, full of evil lawyers.... (err, was) Oh! Hey! Show me where that demon Karoke bar is! I wana go sing a reading of my fortune/karma... Also, while were at it, what's the radius of the 'circle of darkness' in which everything is Night? I doubt it's morfing itself to fit the contours of the county lines. For all we know it's slowly growing to soon cover the entire earth. That would make sense, from a demony plan point of view.

2003-03-04 17:31:30-06:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <ff24e9ea.0303041312.48989107@posting.google.com>, Willow.Rose@GTE.net (Dr. Bond) wrote: > BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message > news:<BTR1702-9D4FFA.19072603032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com>... > > In article <030320031601298450%antarian@pacbell.net>, PJ Browning > > <antarian@pacbell.net> wrote: > > > > > In article <BTR1702-DBC87F.17553903032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, > > > BTR1701 > > > <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > > > > > In article <030320031118319774%antarian@pacbell.net>, PJ Browning > > > > <antarian@pacbell.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > In article <3E63A221.8678FF76@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I think you'll find that she escaped from a fully functioning > > > > > > State > > > > > > Prison, probably Frontara, and that's 40 miles from LA. > > > > > > > > > > and that kind of information falls into the realm of spoilers. > > > > > > > > > > after all, it sure as hell sounds like you know for a fact that > > > > > the > > > > > prison is still in working order, etc. so you must have an inside > > > > > source. > > > > > > > > No, it can be deduced from watching the second season episode > > > > "Judgment". > > > > > > that was two years ago. the key phrase is STILL IN WORKING ORDER. > > > > No, the key is the fact that she was shown to be in max security > > facility in that episode. No such facilities exist in LA so there's no > > reason to believe it wouldn't still be working. > > > > > > > also, there is no law that says that Joss can't put Faith in any > > > > > jail/prison he chooses. Including on that is in Los Angeles. > > > > > > > > There are no prisons in the city of Los Angeles. > > > > > > in the real LA, no. But THIS IS A TELEVISION SHOW. If Joss wants to > > > pretend like there is a prison in Los Angeles, then there is a prison > > > in Los Angeles. > > > > And he'd be full of shit. Joss can pretend Los Angeles is small town > > with a population of 198 that's 10 miles from the Canadian border. But > > it just ain't so. > > > And so... Sunnydale is a 'real' place then, because Joss would > be "Full of Shit" if he made such a town up.... ? Nope. But if he takes an existing city that everyone is familiar with and starts changing things around, it's nonsense. Like I said, if he decided that L.A. was a small town with a population of 198 that's 10 miles from the Canadian border, would that be cool with you? > Also, while were at it, what's the radius of the 'circle of darkness' > in which everything is Night? I doubt it's morfing itself to fit the > contours of the county lines. For all we know it's slowly growing to > soon cover the entire earth. Actually, we know that for a fact. Manny said it would continue to grow until it encompassed the entire world.

2003-03-04 17:31:30-06:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <ff24e9ea.0303041312.48989107@posting.google.com>, Willow.Rose@GTE.net (Dr. Bond) wrote: > BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message > news:<BTR1702-9D4FFA.19072603032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com>... > > In article <030320031601298450%antarian@pacbell.net>, PJ Browning > > <antarian@pacbell.net> wrote: > > > > > In article <BTR1702-DBC87F.17553903032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, > > > BTR1701 > > > <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > > > > > In article <030320031118319774%antarian@pacbell.net>, PJ Browning > > > > <antarian@pacbell.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > In article <3E63A221.8678FF76@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I think you'll find that she escaped from a fully functioning > > > > > > State > > > > > > Prison, probably Frontara, and that's 40 miles from LA. > > > > > > > > > > and that kind of information falls into the realm of spoilers. > > > > > > > > > > after all, it sure as hell sounds like you know for a fact that > > > > > the > > > > > prison is still in working order, etc. so you must have an inside > > > > > source. > > > > > > > > No, it can be deduced from watching the second season episode > > > > "Judgment". > > > > > > that was two years ago. the key phrase is STILL IN WORKING ORDER. > > > > No, the key is the fact that she was shown to be in max security > > facility in that episode. No such facilities exist in LA so there's no > > reason to believe it wouldn't still be working. > > > > > > > also, there is no law that says that Joss can't put Faith in any > > > > > jail/prison he chooses. Including on that is in Los Angeles. > > > > > > > > There are no prisons in the city of Los Angeles. > > > > > > in the real LA, no. But THIS IS A TELEVISION SHOW. If Joss wants to > > > pretend like there is a prison in Los Angeles, then there is a prison > > > in Los Angeles. > > > > And he'd be full of shit. Joss can pretend Los Angeles is small town > > with a population of 198 that's 10 miles from the Canadian border. But > > it just ain't so. > > > And so... Sunnydale is a 'real' place then, because Joss would > be "Full of Shit" if he made such a town up.... ? Nope. But if he takes an existing city that everyone is familiar with and starts changing things around, it's nonsense. Like I said, if he decided that L.A. was a small town with a population of 198 that's 10 miles from the Canadian border, would that be cool with you? > Also, while were at it, what's the radius of the 'circle of darkness' > in which everything is Night? I doubt it's morfing itself to fit the > contours of the county lines. For all we know it's slowly growing to > soon cover the entire earth. Actually, we know that for a fact. Manny said it would continue to grow until it encompassed the entire world.

2003-03-04 17:38:16-06:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <5eydnYK6k5fdV_mjXTWcqg@comcast.com>, "DarkMagic" <slnospambilan@comcast.net> wrote: > "BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message > news:BTR1702-F69666.17511203032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com... > > In article <te2cnRoSkcuVJ_6jXTWcow@comcast.com>, "DarkMagic" > > <slnospambilan@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > > "Carmikl" <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote in message > > > news:3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com... > > > > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it's been established that Willow is going to LA and returning > > > > > with Faith. Presumedly Buffy is aware of this, but then they do > > > > > have a habit of not keeping each other informed. > > > > > > > > Faith is an escaped convict. When someone escapes from San Quentin it's > > > > on the Bay Area TV and Radio news until he's captured. The > > > > escapee's pictures are in every newspaper. > > > > > > > > The police everywhere would be looking for her, and the Sunnydale > > > > Police should have checked out Casa Sommers since Joyce and Buffy > > > > were former victims. The first place they look for escapees is their former > > > > home, so the police and the CDC should be looking around Sunnydale for > > > > her. All of the Scoobies should know that Faith is out of prison and > > > > expecting her to arrive on their doorstep at any time. > > > > > > > > I guess my former thread, "When Dawn Meets Faith" Should have been > > > > "When Dawn hears about Faith" because everyone should be looking > > > > for Faith from the day she breaks out of prison. > > > > > > See what I think happened is this: The Magic Monks needed lots of > > > paper to falsify all of Dawn's information with, the doctors records, > > > report cards, school records, etc....so they took all of Faith's prison records, > > > scraped them clean, and then printed all of Dawn's info over it. > > > Kind of like the way Christians scraped all of the parchments clean in the Library > > > of Athens and then wrote the New Testament over it when they sacked > > > Rome. > > > > > > Now Faith has no identifiable criminal history. All of the incriminating > > > information is covered up with Dawnie goodness. > > > > Criminal history is stored on hundreds of computers around the nation > > and in Washington DC-- all the servers that make up NCIC. It's not on > > paper any more. > > The Magic Monks needed lots and lots of computer storage space to falsify > all of Dawn's records. Why would Dawn's "records" need any more space than anyone else's? Most people's official records could fit on a floppy.

2003-03-04 17:38:16-06:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <5eydnYK6k5fdV_mjXTWcqg@comcast.com>, "DarkMagic" <slnospambilan@comcast.net> wrote: > "BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message > news:BTR1702-F69666.17511203032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com... > > In article <te2cnRoSkcuVJ_6jXTWcow@comcast.com>, "DarkMagic" > > <slnospambilan@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > > "Carmikl" <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote in message > > > news:3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com... > > > > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it's been established that Willow is going to LA and returning > > > > > with Faith. Presumedly Buffy is aware of this, but then they do > > > > > have a habit of not keeping each other informed. > > > > > > > > Faith is an escaped convict. When someone escapes from San Quentin it's > > > > on the Bay Area TV and Radio news until he's captured. The > > > > escapee's pictures are in every newspaper. > > > > > > > > The police everywhere would be looking for her, and the Sunnydale > > > > Police should have checked out Casa Sommers since Joyce and Buffy > > > > were former victims. The first place they look for escapees is their former > > > > home, so the police and the CDC should be looking around Sunnydale for > > > > her. All of the Scoobies should know that Faith is out of prison and > > > > expecting her to arrive on their doorstep at any time. > > > > > > > > I guess my former thread, "When Dawn Meets Faith" Should have been > > > > "When Dawn hears about Faith" because everyone should be looking > > > > for Faith from the day she breaks out of prison. > > > > > > See what I think happened is this: The Magic Monks needed lots of > > > paper to falsify all of Dawn's information with, the doctors records, > > > report cards, school records, etc....so they took all of Faith's prison records, > > > scraped them clean, and then printed all of Dawn's info over it. > > > Kind of like the way Christians scraped all of the parchments clean in the Library > > > of Athens and then wrote the New Testament over it when they sacked > > > Rome. > > > > > > Now Faith has no identifiable criminal history. All of the incriminating > > > information is covered up with Dawnie goodness. > > > > Criminal history is stored on hundreds of computers around the nation > > and in Washington DC-- all the servers that make up NCIC. It's not on > > paper any more. > > The Magic Monks needed lots and lots of computer storage space to falsify > all of Dawn's records. Why would Dawn's "records" need any more space than anyone else's? Most people's official records could fit on a floppy.

2003-03-04 17:40:11-06:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <040320031116380144%dsample@synapse.net>, Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net> wrote: > In article <3E6449EB.58C16823@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > Don Sample wrote: > > Well once she implicated the Mayor in her confession, I'm sure they > > would have to make allowances for any kind of cover up. In fact, they'd > > probably investigate the investigation. She was confessing in LA not > > Sunnydale. > > Unless they actually get the Coroner to say how he fudged the records, > the most they could hope for would be to get the records declared > inadmissable, which is the same as no corroborating evidence. > > If they did start investigating, and learned just how wide spread the > corruption in Sunnydale was, Faith's lawyer suddenly has lots of > leverage for making deals. Not sure I see how. The corruption in Sunnydale would have any bearing on Faith's guilt or innocence. It's not like Faith could offer to testify against the Mayor in exchange for a dea.

2003-03-04 17:40:11-06:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <040320031116380144%dsample@synapse.net>, Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net> wrote: > In article <3E6449EB.58C16823@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > Don Sample wrote: > > Well once she implicated the Mayor in her confession, I'm sure they > > would have to make allowances for any kind of cover up. In fact, they'd > > probably investigate the investigation. She was confessing in LA not > > Sunnydale. > > Unless they actually get the Coroner to say how he fudged the records, > the most they could hope for would be to get the records declared > inadmissable, which is the same as no corroborating evidence. > > If they did start investigating, and learned just how wide spread the > corruption in Sunnydale was, Faith's lawyer suddenly has lots of > leverage for making deals. Not sure I see how. The corruption in Sunnydale would have any bearing on Faith's guilt or innocence. It's not like Faith could offer to testify against the Mayor in exchange for a dea.

2003-03-04 18:39:57+00:00 - Re: Demons exist! [Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler)] - (PJ Browning <antarian@pacbell.net>)


In article <icq96vg4ugcb28rqsusklgb7op995lhrc3@4ax.com>, Sean Christian Daugherty <sean.daugherty@oberlin.edu> wrote: > On Tue, 04 Mar 2003 01:20:49 GMT, John DiFool <jdifool@earthlink.net> > wrote: > > So why haven't any reporters shown up at the door of > >Angel Investigations? Any journalist with the right connections > >would be right there (if they can run the vampire gauntlet of > >course). > > Because inhabitants of the Whedonverse are particularly skilled at > denying the very, very obvious. We've been told and shown that from > day one. > > Is something wrong going on in LA? Certainly. But, given enough of an > opportunity, and mayhaps with the aid of certain parties with a vested > interest in covering the supernatural aspects of it all up (like > whomever picked up the pieces of the Initiative), all you have is a > nasty riot brought about by unusual meteorological happenings. or how about this one. A massive earthquake has struck Los Angeles. Yep the ever fabled Big One has hit. The lack of sun is caused by massive amounts of ash from an underground magma pit that erupted when the ground opened up (anyone see that movie with Tommy Lee Jones). with all the jokes about the 'big one' few folks would really be surprised. And no one would ever know about the vamps etc. remember that all the stuff we have seen in the last few eps occurred over only a few days. I would guess that Wesley and the Shaman arrived within a day of the sun going out. Most of Awakening was actually about 15-30 minutes of real time, even though it seemed like hours. Soulless was around another day, maybe a day in a half (it doesn't take that long to drive to Los Angeles from Arizona). So we get to around Day 4 or 5 when we get to the new ep.

2003-03-04 18:39:57+00:00 - Re: Demons exist! [Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler)] - (PJ Browning <antarian@pacbell.net>)


In article <icq96vg4ugcb28rqsusklgb7op995lhrc3@4ax.com>, Sean Christian Daugherty <sean.daugherty@oberlin.edu> wrote: > On Tue, 04 Mar 2003 01:20:49 GMT, John DiFool <jdifool@earthlink.net> > wrote: > > So why haven't any reporters shown up at the door of > >Angel Investigations? Any journalist with the right connections > >would be right there (if they can run the vampire gauntlet of > >course). > > Because inhabitants of the Whedonverse are particularly skilled at > denying the very, very obvious. We've been told and shown that from > day one. > > Is something wrong going on in LA? Certainly. But, given enough of an > opportunity, and mayhaps with the aid of certain parties with a vested > interest in covering the supernatural aspects of it all up (like > whomever picked up the pieces of the Initiative), all you have is a > nasty riot brought about by unusual meteorological happenings. or how about this one. A massive earthquake has struck Los Angeles. Yep the ever fabled Big One has hit. The lack of sun is caused by massive amounts of ash from an underground magma pit that erupted when the ground opened up (anyone see that movie with Tommy Lee Jones). with all the jokes about the 'big one' few folks would really be surprised. And no one would ever know about the vamps etc. remember that all the stuff we have seen in the last few eps occurred over only a few days. I would guess that Wesley and the Shaman arrived within a day of the sun going out. Most of Awakening was actually about 15-30 minutes of real time, even though it seemed like hours. Soulless was around another day, maybe a day in a half (it doesn't take that long to drive to Los Angeles from Arizona). So we get to around Day 4 or 5 when we get to the new ep.

2003-03-04 18:53:37-06:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <040320031854384078%dsample@synapse.net>, Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net> wrote: > In article <BTR1702-4F1CBE.17401104032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, BTR1701 > <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > In article <040320031116380144%dsample@synapse.net>, Don Sample > > <dsample@synapse.net> wrote: > > > > > In article <3E6449EB.58C16823@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Don Sample wrote: > > > > > > > > Well once she implicated the Mayor in her confession, I'm sure they > > > > would have to make allowances for any kind of cover up. In fact, > > > > they'd probably investigate the investigation. She was confessing in LA > > > > not Sunnydale. > > > > > > Unless they actually get the Coroner to say how he fudged the > > > records, the most they could hope for would be to get the records declared > > > inadmissable, which is the same as no corroborating evidence. > > > > > > If they did start investigating, and learned just how wide spread the > > > corruption in Sunnydale was, Faith's lawyer suddenly has lots of > > > leverage for making deals. > > > > > > Not sure I see how. The corruption in Sunnydale would have any bearing > > on Faith's guilt or innocence. It's not like Faith could offer to > > testify against the Mayor in exchange for a dea. > > Not the Mayor, but there's still the police chief, the coroner, the > DAs... *Lots* of high public officials probably doing some very > questionable things in Sunnydale. And it's highly unlikely Faith had any direct evidence against them. Just hearing about stuff like that from the Mayor would be inadmissible hearsay. So unless she personally witnessed the police chief or the coroner's corruption, she'd have very little to bargain with.

2003-03-04 18:53:37-06:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <040320031854384078%dsample@synapse.net>, Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net> wrote: > In article <BTR1702-4F1CBE.17401104032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, BTR1701 > <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > In article <040320031116380144%dsample@synapse.net>, Don Sample > > <dsample@synapse.net> wrote: > > > > > In article <3E6449EB.58C16823@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Don Sample wrote: > > > > > > > > Well once she implicated the Mayor in her confession, I'm sure they > > > > would have to make allowances for any kind of cover up. In fact, > > > > they'd probably investigate the investigation. She was confessing in LA > > > > not Sunnydale. > > > > > > Unless they actually get the Coroner to say how he fudged the > > > records, the most they could hope for would be to get the records declared > > > inadmissable, which is the same as no corroborating evidence. > > > > > > If they did start investigating, and learned just how wide spread the > > > corruption in Sunnydale was, Faith's lawyer suddenly has lots of > > > leverage for making deals. > > > > > > Not sure I see how. The corruption in Sunnydale would have any bearing > > on Faith's guilt or innocence. It's not like Faith could offer to > > testify against the Mayor in exchange for a dea. > > Not the Mayor, but there's still the police chief, the coroner, the > DAs... *Lots* of high public officials probably doing some very > questionable things in Sunnydale. And it's highly unlikely Faith had any direct evidence against them. Just hearing about stuff like that from the Mayor would be inadmissible hearsay. So unless she personally witnessed the police chief or the coroner's corruption, she'd have very little to bargain with.

2003-03-04 18:54:35-06:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <040320031856341005%dsample@synapse.net>, Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net> wrote: > In article <BTR1702-3EE364.17313004032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, BTR1701 > <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > In article <ff24e9ea.0303041312.48989107@posting.google.com>, > > Willow.Rose@GTE.net (Dr. Bond) wrote: > > > > > > > > And so... Sunnydale is a 'real' place then, because Joss would > > > be "Full of Shit" if he made such a town up.... ? > > > > Nope. But if he takes an existing city that everyone is familiar with > > and starts changing things around, it's nonsense. > > Have you ever seen a TV show or movie that didn't make hash out of the > geography of the 'real' town or city it was set in? Dragnet seems to be doing a great job with L.A. Haven't detected any major flubs so far, even with all the references to locales and maps with pushpins in them that are shown on screen.

2003-03-04 18:54:35-06:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <040320031856341005%dsample@synapse.net>, Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net> wrote: > In article <BTR1702-3EE364.17313004032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, BTR1701 > <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > In article <ff24e9ea.0303041312.48989107@posting.google.com>, > > Willow.Rose@GTE.net (Dr. Bond) wrote: > > > > > > > > And so... Sunnydale is a 'real' place then, because Joss would > > > be "Full of Shit" if he made such a town up.... ? > > > > Nope. But if he takes an existing city that everyone is familiar with > > and starts changing things around, it's nonsense. > > Have you ever seen a TV show or movie that didn't make hash out of the > geography of the 'real' town or city it was set in? Dragnet seems to be doing a great job with L.A. Haven't detected any major flubs so far, even with all the references to locales and maps with pushpins in them that are shown on screen.

2003-03-04 18:54:38-05:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)


In article <BTR1702-4F1CBE.17401104032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > In article <040320031116380144%dsample@synapse.net>, Don Sample > <dsample@synapse.net> wrote: > > > In article <3E6449EB.58C16823@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > > > Don Sample wrote: > > > > > Well once she implicated the Mayor in her confession, I'm sure they > > > would have to make allowances for any kind of cover up. In fact, they'd > > > probably investigate the investigation. She was confessing in LA not > > > Sunnydale. > > > > Unless they actually get the Coroner to say how he fudged the records, > > the most they could hope for would be to get the records declared > > inadmissable, which is the same as no corroborating evidence. > > > > If they did start investigating, and learned just how wide spread the > > corruption in Sunnydale was, Faith's lawyer suddenly has lots of > > leverage for making deals. > > > Not sure I see how. The corruption in Sunnydale would have any bearing > on Faith's guilt or innocence. It's not like Faith could offer to > testify against the Mayor in exchange for a dea. Not the Mayor, but there's still the police chief, the coroner, the DAs... *Lots* of high public officials probably doing some very questionable things in Sunnydale. -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

2003-03-04 18:54:38-05:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)


In article <BTR1702-4F1CBE.17401104032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > In article <040320031116380144%dsample@synapse.net>, Don Sample > <dsample@synapse.net> wrote: > > > In article <3E6449EB.58C16823@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > > > Don Sample wrote: > > > > > Well once she implicated the Mayor in her confession, I'm sure they > > > would have to make allowances for any kind of cover up. In fact, they'd > > > probably investigate the investigation. She was confessing in LA not > > > Sunnydale. > > > > Unless they actually get the Coroner to say how he fudged the records, > > the most they could hope for would be to get the records declared > > inadmissable, which is the same as no corroborating evidence. > > > > If they did start investigating, and learned just how wide spread the > > corruption in Sunnydale was, Faith's lawyer suddenly has lots of > > leverage for making deals. > > > Not sure I see how. The corruption in Sunnydale would have any bearing > on Faith's guilt or innocence. It's not like Faith could offer to > testify against the Mayor in exchange for a dea. Not the Mayor, but there's still the police chief, the coroner, the DAs... *Lots* of high public officials probably doing some very questionable things in Sunnydale. -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

2003-03-04 18:56:34-05:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)


In article <BTR1702-3EE364.17313004032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > In article <ff24e9ea.0303041312.48989107@posting.google.com>, > Willow.Rose@GTE.net (Dr. Bond) wrote: > > > > > And so... Sunnydale is a 'real' place then, because Joss would > > be "Full of Shit" if he made such a town up.... ? > > Nope. But if he takes an existing city that everyone is familiar with > and starts changing things around, it's nonsense. Have you ever seen a TV show or movie that didn't make hash out of the geography of the 'real' town or city it was set in? -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

2003-03-04 18:56:34-05:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)


In article <BTR1702-3EE364.17313004032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > In article <ff24e9ea.0303041312.48989107@posting.google.com>, > Willow.Rose@GTE.net (Dr. Bond) wrote: > > > > > And so... Sunnydale is a 'real' place then, because Joss would > > be "Full of Shit" if he made such a town up.... ? > > Nope. But if he takes an existing city that everyone is familiar with > and starts changing things around, it's nonsense. Have you ever seen a TV show or movie that didn't make hash out of the geography of the 'real' town or city it was set in? -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

2003-03-04 19:31:27-08:00 - Re: Demons exist! [Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler)] - (himiko@animail.net)


klyfix@aol.comedy (Klyfix) wrote in message news:<20030304173409.10890.00000089@mb-mr.aol.com>... > In LA though, logically there would be troops on the streets who > know > what they're fighting. They couldn't do a whole lot about the dark sun > (although > we kinda have to figure that they have people who know about this stuff; > heck, they could get Ethan Raine to enlighten them maybe if nothing else) but > they certainly could do something about the vampires. Have we seen any troops? I'm not sure on this, but I don't think we have. It's not impossible that the government has sealed the whole LA area off and is just waiting to see what happens. They probably figure most of the people in there will die and the stories of any that don't can easily be dismissed as hallucinations. himiko

2003-03-04 19:31:27-08:00 - Re: Demons exist! [Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler)] - (himiko@animail.net)


klyfix@aol.comedy (Klyfix) wrote in message news:<20030304173409.10890.00000089@mb-mr.aol.com>... > In LA though, logically there would be troops on the streets who > know > what they're fighting. They couldn't do a whole lot about the dark sun > (although > we kinda have to figure that they have people who know about this stuff; > heck, they could get Ethan Raine to enlighten them maybe if nothing else) but > they certainly could do something about the vampires. Have we seen any troops? I'm not sure on this, but I don't think we have. It's not impossible that the government has sealed the whole LA area off and is just waiting to see what happens. They probably figure most of the people in there will die and the stories of any that don't can easily be dismissed as hallucinations. himiko

2003-03-04 22:34:09+00:00 - Re: Demons exist! [Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler)] - (klyfix@aol.comedy)


In article <c7902983.0303040924.6c027158@posting.google.com>, himiko@animail.net (himiko) writes: > >Not necessarily...except for the DOW; that plummets. But my guess >would be that the US government would cordon off LA entirely and >describe it to the rest of the country as having been hit by >terrorists using an unknown weapon of mass destruction. The country >would be on high alert, not to mention on the verge of panic, but the >majority of sheep...er, citizens...would accept the need for >quarantine under the jurisdiction of Homeland Security. > >Other affected countries would likely react in the same way, more or >less. > Well, something like that, sure. When something that obvious and that major occurs, it's hard to hide it. As the government in the Buffyverse knows good and well that there are vampires and demons they're not going to ignore it but yeah, they might well try to control the flow of information out of LA. Sure, the folk outside might be told it's some kind of chemical weapons attack by Al Qaeda with the help of the Iraqis, so that anybody who gets out is going to be regarded as hallucinating because of that stuff. In LA though, logically there would be troops on the streets who know what they're fighting. They couldn't do a whole lot about the dark sun (although we kinda have to figure that they have people who know about this stuff; heck, they could get Ethan Raine to enlighten them maybe if nothing else) but they certainly could do something about the vampires. V. S. Greene : klyfix@aol.com : Boston, near Arkham... Eckzylon: http://m1.aol.com/klyfix/eckzylon.html A rodent with mad skillz, uh, no.

2003-03-04 22:34:09+00:00 - Re: Demons exist! [Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler)] - (klyfix@aol.comedy)


In article <c7902983.0303040924.6c027158@posting.google.com>, himiko@animail.net (himiko) writes: > >Not necessarily...except for the DOW; that plummets. But my guess >would be that the US government would cordon off LA entirely and >describe it to the rest of the country as having been hit by >terrorists using an unknown weapon of mass destruction. The country >would be on high alert, not to mention on the verge of panic, but the >majority of sheep...er, citizens...would accept the need for >quarantine under the jurisdiction of Homeland Security. > >Other affected countries would likely react in the same way, more or >less. > Well, something like that, sure. When something that obvious and that major occurs, it's hard to hide it. As the government in the Buffyverse knows good and well that there are vampires and demons they're not going to ignore it but yeah, they might well try to control the flow of information out of LA. Sure, the folk outside might be told it's some kind of chemical weapons attack by Al Qaeda with the help of the Iraqis, so that anybody who gets out is going to be regarded as hallucinating because of that stuff. In LA though, logically there would be troops on the streets who know what they're fighting. They couldn't do a whole lot about the dark sun (although we kinda have to figure that they have people who know about this stuff; heck, they could get Ethan Raine to enlighten them maybe if nothing else) but they certainly could do something about the vampires. V. S. Greene : klyfix@aol.com : Boston, near Arkham... Eckzylon: http://m1.aol.com/klyfix/eckzylon.html A rodent with mad skillz, uh, no.

2003-03-05 00:20:53+00:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Aethelrede <aethelrede@worldnet.att.net>)


Ken Arromdee wrote in message ... >In article <BTR1702-21CBE7.17572403032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, >BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>Faith was convicted of at least one felony. > >We don't know this. We know she's been convicted and has been in jail for more than 2 years. Apparently in Ca you have to be convicted of a felony to get more than 2 years in pokey. Therefore, Faith must have got a felony conviction OR have committed a felony offence while in jail and got the extra time added, which means, either way, a felony conviction.

2003-03-05 00:20:53+00:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Aethelrede <aethelrede@worldnet.att.net>)


Ken Arromdee wrote in message ... >In article <BTR1702-21CBE7.17572403032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, >BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>Faith was convicted of at least one felony. > >We don't know this. We know she's been convicted and has been in jail for more than 2 years. Apparently in Ca you have to be convicted of a felony to get more than 2 years in pokey. Therefore, Faith must have got a felony conviction OR have committed a felony offence while in jail and got the extra time added, which means, either way, a felony conviction.

2003-03-05 01:31:43+00:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Mike Craney <mcraney@sbcglobalnospam.net>)


"BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:BTR1702-65FFA1.18543504032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com... > In article <040320031856341005%dsample@synapse.net>, Don Sample > <dsample@synapse.net> wrote: > > > In article <BTR1702-3EE364.17313004032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, BTR1701 > > <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > > > In article <ff24e9ea.0303041312.48989107@posting.google.com>, > > > Willow.Rose@GTE.net (Dr. Bond) wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > And so... Sunnydale is a 'real' place then, because Joss would > > > > be "Full of Shit" if he made such a town up.... ? > > > > > > Nope. But if he takes an existing city that everyone is familiar with > > > and starts changing things around, it's nonsense. > > > > Have you ever seen a TV show or movie that didn't make hash out of the > > geography of the 'real' town or city it was set in? > > Dragnet seems to be doing a great job with L.A. Haven't detected any > major flubs so far, even with all the references to locales and maps > with pushpins in them that are shown on screen. You know, in airing fiction in a known city, it is almost always necessary, at some point in time, to move something, create something that doesn't exist, etc. But, if you CAN keep it real, why not? It's good literary form and a sign of a conscientious writer. Mike

2003-03-05 01:31:43+00:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Mike Craney <mcraney@sbcglobalnospam.net>)


"BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:BTR1702-65FFA1.18543504032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com... > In article <040320031856341005%dsample@synapse.net>, Don Sample > <dsample@synapse.net> wrote: > > > In article <BTR1702-3EE364.17313004032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, BTR1701 > > <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > > > In article <ff24e9ea.0303041312.48989107@posting.google.com>, > > > Willow.Rose@GTE.net (Dr. Bond) wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > And so... Sunnydale is a 'real' place then, because Joss would > > > > be "Full of Shit" if he made such a town up.... ? > > > > > > Nope. But if he takes an existing city that everyone is familiar with > > > and starts changing things around, it's nonsense. > > > > Have you ever seen a TV show or movie that didn't make hash out of the > > geography of the 'real' town or city it was set in? > > Dragnet seems to be doing a great job with L.A. Haven't detected any > major flubs so far, even with all the references to locales and maps > with pushpins in them that are shown on screen. You know, in airing fiction in a known city, it is almost always necessary, at some point in time, to move something, create something that doesn't exist, etc. But, if you CAN keep it real, why not? It's good literary form and a sign of a conscientious writer. Mike

2003-03-05 05:17:32+00:00 - Re: Demons exist! [Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler)] - (klyfix@aol.comedy)


In article <c7902983.0303041931.3fb98f9a@posting.google.com>, himiko@animail.net (himiko) writes: > >klyfix@aol.comedy (Klyfix) wrote in message >news:<20030304173409.10890.00000089@mb-mr.aol.com>... > >> In LA though, logically there would be troops on the streets who >> know >> what they're fighting. They couldn't do a whole lot about the dark sun >> (although >> we kinda have to figure that they have people who know about this stuff; >> heck, they could get Ethan Raine to enlighten them maybe if nothing else) >but >> they certainly could do something about the vampires. > >Have we seen any troops? I'm not sure on this, but I don't think we >have. It's not impossible that the government has sealed the whole LA >area off and is just waiting to see what happens. They probably >figure most of the people in there will die and the stories of any >that don't can easily be dismissed as hallucinations. > Hmm, could be. I'd like to see the writers do something with that, but unfortunately I suspect that they won't, alas. V. S. Greene : klyfix@aol.com : Boston, near Arkham... Eckzylon: http://m1.aol.com/klyfix/eckzylon.html A rodent with mad skillz, uh, no.

2003-03-05 05:17:32+00:00 - Re: Demons exist! [Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler)] - (klyfix@aol.comedy)


In article <c7902983.0303041931.3fb98f9a@posting.google.com>, himiko@animail.net (himiko) writes: > >klyfix@aol.comedy (Klyfix) wrote in message >news:<20030304173409.10890.00000089@mb-mr.aol.com>... > >> In LA though, logically there would be troops on the streets who >> know >> what they're fighting. They couldn't do a whole lot about the dark sun >> (although >> we kinda have to figure that they have people who know about this stuff; >> heck, they could get Ethan Raine to enlighten them maybe if nothing else) >but >> they certainly could do something about the vampires. > >Have we seen any troops? I'm not sure on this, but I don't think we >have. It's not impossible that the government has sealed the whole LA >area off and is just waiting to see what happens. They probably >figure most of the people in there will die and the stories of any >that don't can easily be dismissed as hallucinations. > Hmm, could be. I'd like to see the writers do something with that, but unfortunately I suspect that they won't, alas. V. S. Greene : klyfix@aol.com : Boston, near Arkham... Eckzylon: http://m1.aol.com/klyfix/eckzylon.html A rodent with mad skillz, uh, no.

2003-03-05 09:40:05-08:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Willow.Rose@GTE.net)


BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<BTR1702-3EE364.17313004032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com>... > In article <ff24e9ea.0303041312.48989107@posting.google.com>, > Willow.Rose@GTE.net (Dr. Bond) wrote: > > > BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message > > news:<BTR1702-9D4FFA.19072603032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com>... > > > In article <030320031601298450%antarian@pacbell.net>, PJ Browning > > > <antarian@pacbell.net> wrote: > > > > > > > In article <BTR1702-DBC87F.17553903032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, > > > > BTR1701 > > > > <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > In article <030320031118319774%antarian@pacbell.net>, PJ Browning > > > > > <antarian@pacbell.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > In article <3E63A221.8678FF76@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think you'll find that she escaped from a fully functioning > > > > > > > State > > > > > > > Prison, probably Frontara, and that's 40 miles from LA. > > > > > > > > > > > > and that kind of information falls into the realm of spoilers. > > > > > > > > > > > > after all, it sure as hell sounds like you know for a fact that > > > > > > the > > > > > > prison is still in working order, etc. so you must have an inside > > > > > > source. > > > > > > > > > > No, it can be deduced from watching the second season episode > > > > > "Judgment". > > > > > > > > that was two years ago. the key phrase is STILL IN WORKING ORDER. > > > > > > No, the key is the fact that she was shown to be in max security > > > facility in that episode. No such facilities exist in LA so there's no > > > reason to believe it wouldn't still be working. > > > > > > > > > also, there is no law that says that Joss can't put Faith in any > > > > > > jail/prison he chooses. Including on that is in Los Angeles. > > > > > > > > > > There are no prisons in the city of Los Angeles. > > > > > > > > in the real LA, no. But THIS IS A TELEVISION SHOW. If Joss wants to > > > > pretend like there is a prison in Los Angeles, then there is a prison > > > > in Los Angeles. > > > > > > And he'd be full of shit. Joss can pretend Los Angeles is small town > > > with a population of 198 that's 10 miles from the Canadian border. But > > > it just ain't so. > > > > > > And so... Sunnydale is a 'real' place then, because Joss would > > be "Full of Shit" if he made such a town up.... ? > > Nope. But if he takes an existing city that everyone is familiar with > and starts changing things around, it's nonsense. > > Like I said, if he decided that L.A. was a small town with a population > of 198 that's 10 miles from the Canadian border, would that be cool with > you? There is such a thing as 'going to far' and then there's making small adjustments. Adding a building to LA to house prisoners is a small adjustment. I've lived in southern California for 27 years and even I didn't know that there were no prisoner facilities within or at least 'somewhat near'! I just have never been incarcerated and I've never had a reason to look it up. I would guess many who live here haven't either, so who would know that Joss had added one building. The answer is very few people. And frankly I doubt the majority of those few people would care. It's not like they would be saying "Oh my gosh he's gone too far this time! I'm never watching this show again!". And even if they did I'd say "good riddance and good bye". If he did go too far and try to portray San Francisco as though it were 100 miles north of Ventura, then I'd agree with you and wonder why Joss did such a thing. But adding a prison brand new prison facility somewhere within a 15 mile radius of the center of LA county, isn't so unbelievable to me, seeing as I didn't even know until some bean counter on the NG mentioned it.

2003-03-05 09:40:05-08:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Willow.Rose@GTE.net)


BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<BTR1702-3EE364.17313004032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com>... > In article <ff24e9ea.0303041312.48989107@posting.google.com>, > Willow.Rose@GTE.net (Dr. Bond) wrote: > > > BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message > > news:<BTR1702-9D4FFA.19072603032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com>... > > > In article <030320031601298450%antarian@pacbell.net>, PJ Browning > > > <antarian@pacbell.net> wrote: > > > > > > > In article <BTR1702-DBC87F.17553903032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, > > > > BTR1701 > > > > <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > In article <030320031118319774%antarian@pacbell.net>, PJ Browning > > > > > <antarian@pacbell.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > In article <3E63A221.8678FF76@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think you'll find that she escaped from a fully functioning > > > > > > > State > > > > > > > Prison, probably Frontara, and that's 40 miles from LA. > > > > > > > > > > > > and that kind of information falls into the realm of spoilers. > > > > > > > > > > > > after all, it sure as hell sounds like you know for a fact that > > > > > > the > > > > > > prison is still in working order, etc. so you must have an inside > > > > > > source. > > > > > > > > > > No, it can be deduced from watching the second season episode > > > > > "Judgment". > > > > > > > > that was two years ago. the key phrase is STILL IN WORKING ORDER. > > > > > > No, the key is the fact that she was shown to be in max security > > > facility in that episode. No such facilities exist in LA so there's no > > > reason to believe it wouldn't still be working. > > > > > > > > > also, there is no law that says that Joss can't put Faith in any > > > > > > jail/prison he chooses. Including on that is in Los Angeles. > > > > > > > > > > There are no prisons in the city of Los Angeles. > > > > > > > > in the real LA, no. But THIS IS A TELEVISION SHOW. If Joss wants to > > > > pretend like there is a prison in Los Angeles, then there is a prison > > > > in Los Angeles. > > > > > > And he'd be full of shit. Joss can pretend Los Angeles is small town > > > with a population of 198 that's 10 miles from the Canadian border. But > > > it just ain't so. > > > > > > And so... Sunnydale is a 'real' place then, because Joss would > > be "Full of Shit" if he made such a town up.... ? > > Nope. But if he takes an existing city that everyone is familiar with > and starts changing things around, it's nonsense. > > Like I said, if he decided that L.A. was a small town with a population > of 198 that's 10 miles from the Canadian border, would that be cool with > you? There is such a thing as 'going to far' and then there's making small adjustments. Adding a building to LA to house prisoners is a small adjustment. I've lived in southern California for 27 years and even I didn't know that there were no prisoner facilities within or at least 'somewhat near'! I just have never been incarcerated and I've never had a reason to look it up. I would guess many who live here haven't either, so who would know that Joss had added one building. The answer is very few people. And frankly I doubt the majority of those few people would care. It's not like they would be saying "Oh my gosh he's gone too far this time! I'm never watching this show again!". And even if they did I'd say "good riddance and good bye". If he did go too far and try to portray San Francisco as though it were 100 miles north of Ventura, then I'd agree with you and wonder why Joss did such a thing. But adding a prison brand new prison facility somewhere within a 15 mile radius of the center of LA county, isn't so unbelievable to me, seeing as I didn't even know until some bean counter on the NG mentioned it.

2003-03-05 10:07:56-05:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (DarkMagic <slnospambilan@comcast.net>)


"BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:BTR1702-6E988A.17381604032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com... > In article <5eydnYK6k5fdV_mjXTWcqg@comcast.com>, "DarkMagic" > <slnospambilan@comcast.net> wrote: > > > "BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message > > news:BTR1702-F69666.17511203032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com... > > > In article <te2cnRoSkcuVJ_6jXTWcow@comcast.com>, "DarkMagic" > > > <slnospambilan@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > > > > "Carmikl" <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote in message > > > > news:3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com... > > > > > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it's been established that Willow is going to LA and returning > > > > > > with Faith. Presumedly Buffy is aware of this, but then they do > > > > > > have a habit of not keeping each other informed. > > > > > > > > > > Faith is an escaped convict. When someone escapes from San Quentin it's > > > > > on the Bay Area TV and Radio news until he's captured. The > > > > > escapee's pictures are in every newspaper. > > > > > > > > > > The police everywhere would be looking for her, and the Sunnydale > > > > > Police should have checked out Casa Sommers since Joyce and Buffy > > > > > were former victims. The first place they look for escapees is their former > > > > > home, so the police and the CDC should be looking around Sunnydale for > > > > > her. All of the Scoobies should know that Faith is out of prison and > > > > > expecting her to arrive on their doorstep at any time. > > > > > > > > > > I guess my former thread, "When Dawn Meets Faith" Should have been > > > > > "When Dawn hears about Faith" because everyone should be looking > > > > > for Faith from the day she breaks out of prison. > > > > > > > > See what I think happened is this: The Magic Monks needed lots of > > > > paper to falsify all of Dawn's information with, the doctors records, > > > > report cards, school records, etc....so they took all of Faith's prison records, > > > > scraped them clean, and then printed all of Dawn's info over it. > > > > Kind of like the way Christians scraped all of the parchments clean in the Library > > > > of Athens and then wrote the New Testament over it when they sacked > > > > Rome. > > > > > > > > Now Faith has no identifiable criminal history. All of the incriminating > > > > information is covered up with Dawnie goodness. > > > > > > Criminal history is stored on hundreds of computers around the nation > > > and in Washington DC-- all the servers that make up NCIC. It's not on > > > paper any more. > > > > The Magic Monks needed lots and lots of computer storage space to falsify > > all of Dawn's records. > > Why would Dawn's "records" need any more space than anyone else's? Most > people's official records could fit on a floppy. Monks can't afford a floppy. Did you notice the way they were dressed? Everything was done by magic, therefore my fanwank is that the authorities will not pursue Faith because all of her prison records have been replaced with Dawnie goodness. Unless ME gives a better explanation that's my story and I'm sticking to it. -- Shannon Cordelia: "Angel is only happy when he's fighting evil. Let's drum up a little!" Doyle: "I don't know why we're looking for evil when we got you here."

2003-03-05 10:07:56-05:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (DarkMagic <slnospambilan@comcast.net>)


"BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:BTR1702-6E988A.17381604032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com... > In article <5eydnYK6k5fdV_mjXTWcqg@comcast.com>, "DarkMagic" > <slnospambilan@comcast.net> wrote: > > > "BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message > > news:BTR1702-F69666.17511203032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com... > > > In article <te2cnRoSkcuVJ_6jXTWcow@comcast.com>, "DarkMagic" > > > <slnospambilan@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > > > > "Carmikl" <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote in message > > > > news:3E637CC1.520AB38C@rcn.com... > > > > > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it's been established that Willow is going to LA and returning > > > > > > with Faith. Presumedly Buffy is aware of this, but then they do > > > > > > have a habit of not keeping each other informed. > > > > > > > > > > Faith is an escaped convict. When someone escapes from San Quentin it's > > > > > on the Bay Area TV and Radio news until he's captured. The > > > > > escapee's pictures are in every newspaper. > > > > > > > > > > The police everywhere would be looking for her, and the Sunnydale > > > > > Police should have checked out Casa Sommers since Joyce and Buffy > > > > > were former victims. The first place they look for escapees is their former > > > > > home, so the police and the CDC should be looking around Sunnydale for > > > > > her. All of the Scoobies should know that Faith is out of prison and > > > > > expecting her to arrive on their doorstep at any time. > > > > > > > > > > I guess my former thread, "When Dawn Meets Faith" Should have been > > > > > "When Dawn hears about Faith" because everyone should be looking > > > > > for Faith from the day she breaks out of prison. > > > > > > > > See what I think happened is this: The Magic Monks needed lots of > > > > paper to falsify all of Dawn's information with, the doctors records, > > > > report cards, school records, etc....so they took all of Faith's prison records, > > > > scraped them clean, and then printed all of Dawn's info over it. > > > > Kind of like the way Christians scraped all of the parchments clean in the Library > > > > of Athens and then wrote the New Testament over it when they sacked > > > > Rome. > > > > > > > > Now Faith has no identifiable criminal history. All of the incriminating > > > > information is covered up with Dawnie goodness. > > > > > > Criminal history is stored on hundreds of computers around the nation > > > and in Washington DC-- all the servers that make up NCIC. It's not on > > > paper any more. > > > > The Magic Monks needed lots and lots of computer storage space to falsify > > all of Dawn's records. > > Why would Dawn's "records" need any more space than anyone else's? Most > people's official records could fit on a floppy. Monks can't afford a floppy. Did you notice the way they were dressed? Everything was done by magic, therefore my fanwank is that the authorities will not pursue Faith because all of her prison records have been replaced with Dawnie goodness. Unless ME gives a better explanation that's my story and I'm sticking to it. -- Shannon Cordelia: "Angel is only happy when he's fighting evil. Let's drum up a little!" Doyle: "I don't know why we're looking for evil when we got you here."

2003-03-05 12:31:56-06:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <5tqcnQqH4_NEj_ujXTWc2Q@comcast.com>, "DarkMagic" <slnospambilan@comcast.net> wrote: > "BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message > news:BTR1702-6E988A.17381604032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com... > > In article <5eydnYK6k5fdV_mjXTWcqg@comcast.com>, "DarkMagic" > > <slnospambilan@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > > "BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message > > > news:BTR1702-F69666.17511203032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com... > > > > In article <te2cnRoSkcuVJ_6jXTWcow@comcast.com>, "DarkMagic" > > > > > Now Faith has no identifiable criminal history. All of the incriminating > > > > > information is covered up with Dawnie goodness. > > > > > > > > Criminal history is stored on hundreds of computers around the > > > > nation and in Washington DC-- all the servers that make up NCIC. It's not > > > > on paper any more. > > > > > > The Magic Monks needed lots and lots of computer storage space to falsify > > > all of Dawn's records. > > > > Why would Dawn's "records" need any more space than anyone else's? Most > > people's official records could fit on a floppy. > > Monks can't afford a floppy. Did you notice the way they were dressed? Not the point. I'm saying that the amount of information isn't enough to fill up more than a floppy so they wouldn't need all that server space. > Everything was done by magic, therefore my fanwank is that the > authorities will not pursue Faith because all of her prison records have been > replaced with Dawnie goodness. Unless ME gives a better explanation that's my > story and I'm sticking to it. Um... okay. That makes less sense than most of Anthony Knight's predictions, but whatever.

2003-03-05 12:31:56-06:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <5tqcnQqH4_NEj_ujXTWc2Q@comcast.com>, "DarkMagic" <slnospambilan@comcast.net> wrote: > "BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message > news:BTR1702-6E988A.17381604032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com... > > In article <5eydnYK6k5fdV_mjXTWcqg@comcast.com>, "DarkMagic" > > <slnospambilan@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > > "BTR1701" <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message > > > news:BTR1702-F69666.17511203032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com... > > > > In article <te2cnRoSkcuVJ_6jXTWcow@comcast.com>, "DarkMagic" > > > > > Now Faith has no identifiable criminal history. All of the incriminating > > > > > information is covered up with Dawnie goodness. > > > > > > > > Criminal history is stored on hundreds of computers around the > > > > nation and in Washington DC-- all the servers that make up NCIC. It's not > > > > on paper any more. > > > > > > The Magic Monks needed lots and lots of computer storage space to falsify > > > all of Dawn's records. > > > > Why would Dawn's "records" need any more space than anyone else's? Most > > people's official records could fit on a floppy. > > Monks can't afford a floppy. Did you notice the way they were dressed? Not the point. I'm saying that the amount of information isn't enough to fill up more than a floppy so they wouldn't need all that server space. > Everything was done by magic, therefore my fanwank is that the > authorities will not pursue Faith because all of her prison records have been > replaced with Dawnie goodness. Unless ME gives a better explanation that's my > story and I'm sticking to it. Um... okay. That makes less sense than most of Anthony Knight's predictions, but whatever.

2003-03-05 23:47:41-06:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <ff24e9ea.0303050940.8dd7410@posting.google.com>, Willow.Rose@GTE.net (Dr. Bond) wrote: > BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message > news:<BTR1702-3EE364.17313004032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com>... > > In article <ff24e9ea.0303041312.48989107@posting.google.com>, > > Willow.Rose@GTE.net (Dr. Bond) wrote: > > > > > BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message > > > news:<BTR1702-9D4FFA.19072603032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com>... > > > > In article <030320031601298450%antarian@pacbell.net>, PJ Browning > > > > <antarian@pacbell.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > In article <BTR1702-DBC87F.17553903032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, > > > > > BTR1701 > > > > > <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > In article <030320031118319774%antarian@pacbell.net>, PJ > > > > > > Browning > > > > > > <antarian@pacbell.net> wrote: > > > > > > > after all, it sure as hell sounds like you know for a fact > > > > > > > that the prison is still in working order, etc. so you must have an > > > > > > > insid source. > > > > > > > > > > > > No, it can be deduced from watching the second season episode > > > > > > "Judgment". > > > > > > > > > > that was two years ago. the key phrase is STILL IN WORKING ORDER. > > > > > > > > No, the key is the fact that she was shown to be in max security > > > > facility in that episode. No such facilities exist in LA so there's > > > > no reason to believe it wouldn't still be working. > > > > > > > > > > > also, there is no law that says that Joss can't put Faith in > > > > > > > any jail/prison he chooses. Including on that is in Los Angeles. > > > > > > > > > > > > There are no prisons in the city of Los Angeles. > > > > > > > > > > in the real LA, no. But THIS IS A TELEVISION SHOW. If Joss wants > > > > > to pretend like there is a prison in Los Angeles, then there is a > > > > > prison in Los Angeles. > > > > > > > > And he'd be full of shit. Joss can pretend Los Angeles is small > > > > town with a population of 198 that's 10 miles from the Canadian border. > > > > But it just ain't so. > > > > > > > > > And so... Sunnydale is a 'real' place then, because Joss would > > > be "Full of Shit" if he made such a town up.... ? > > > > Nope. But if he takes an existing city that everyone is familiar with > > and starts changing things around, it's nonsense. > > > > Like I said, if he decided that L.A. was a small town with a population > > of 198 that's 10 miles from the Canadian border, would that be cool > > with you? > > > There is such a thing as 'going to far' and then there's making > small adjustments. Adding a building to LA to house prisoners is > a small adjustment. Putting a max security penitentiary in a downtown urban environment is hardly the same thing as "adding a building to LA to house prisoners". There's a reason why penitentiaries are located away from population centers. > > I've lived in southern California for 27 years and even I didn't > know that there were no prisoner facilities within or at least > 'somewhat near'! There are facilities. The L.A. County Jail is one. There's just no *penitentiaries* in the downtown city center.

2003-03-05 23:47:41-06:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <ff24e9ea.0303050940.8dd7410@posting.google.com>, Willow.Rose@GTE.net (Dr. Bond) wrote: > BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message > news:<BTR1702-3EE364.17313004032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com>... > > In article <ff24e9ea.0303041312.48989107@posting.google.com>, > > Willow.Rose@GTE.net (Dr. Bond) wrote: > > > > > BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message > > > news:<BTR1702-9D4FFA.19072603032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com>... > > > > In article <030320031601298450%antarian@pacbell.net>, PJ Browning > > > > <antarian@pacbell.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > In article <BTR1702-DBC87F.17553903032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, > > > > > BTR1701 > > > > > <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > In article <030320031118319774%antarian@pacbell.net>, PJ > > > > > > Browning > > > > > > <antarian@pacbell.net> wrote: > > > > > > > after all, it sure as hell sounds like you know for a fact > > > > > > > that the prison is still in working order, etc. so you must have an > > > > > > > insid source. > > > > > > > > > > > > No, it can be deduced from watching the second season episode > > > > > > "Judgment". > > > > > > > > > > that was two years ago. the key phrase is STILL IN WORKING ORDER. > > > > > > > > No, the key is the fact that she was shown to be in max security > > > > facility in that episode. No such facilities exist in LA so there's > > > > no reason to believe it wouldn't still be working. > > > > > > > > > > > also, there is no law that says that Joss can't put Faith in > > > > > > > any jail/prison he chooses. Including on that is in Los Angeles. > > > > > > > > > > > > There are no prisons in the city of Los Angeles. > > > > > > > > > > in the real LA, no. But THIS IS A TELEVISION SHOW. If Joss wants > > > > > to pretend like there is a prison in Los Angeles, then there is a > > > > > prison in Los Angeles. > > > > > > > > And he'd be full of shit. Joss can pretend Los Angeles is small > > > > town with a population of 198 that's 10 miles from the Canadian border. > > > > But it just ain't so. > > > > > > > > > And so... Sunnydale is a 'real' place then, because Joss would > > > be "Full of Shit" if he made such a town up.... ? > > > > Nope. But if he takes an existing city that everyone is familiar with > > and starts changing things around, it's nonsense. > > > > Like I said, if he decided that L.A. was a small town with a population > > of 198 that's 10 miles from the Canadian border, would that be cool > > with you? > > > There is such a thing as 'going to far' and then there's making > small adjustments. Adding a building to LA to house prisoners is > a small adjustment. Putting a max security penitentiary in a downtown urban environment is hardly the same thing as "adding a building to LA to house prisoners". There's a reason why penitentiaries are located away from population centers. > > I've lived in southern California for 27 years and even I didn't > know that there were no prisoner facilities within or at least > 'somewhat near'! There are facilities. The L.A. County Jail is one. There's just no *penitentiaries* in the downtown city center.

2003-03-06 17:30:31-06:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <MPG.18d168d6f727b8f6989de9@netnews.attbi.com>, Growltiger <tyger@never.invalid> wrote: > Previously on alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer, sillyman@famous.com wrote in > article <jhvd6vsc5ng340etfegbn1kl556tci3nuf@4ax.com>... > > On Thu, 06 Mar 2003 11:35:05 -0800, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > > > > >But any prison would check his credentials as an attorney. Prison > > >visitors are all background checked, lawyer or not. It's not unusual > > >for prison visitors to be arrested because outstanding warrants are found > > >in the background check, including failures to appear on traffic tickets. > > > > Yup. When I worked for Corrections they were very stringent on that > > issue. They couldn't prevent lawyers or most family from visiting, but > > they could tell them when and make them provide excruciating detail > > about who they were and where they came from. We're back to suspension > > of disbelief on this one. Maybe the guards in the prison are all > > ex-Sunnydale PD? > > > > Wes got in to see Faith somehow. What more do we need to know? The > drama turns on the meeting not on the setup to the meeting. > > I am all for suspension of disbelief on this matter. Versimilitude is a > good thing, but if the letter of policy and rules was followed for > everything that goes down the television, then the drama would become > hopelessly bogged down in detail. I agree it's an irrelevant point but the idea that following procedures leads to boring TV is not true. Many shows pride themselves on accuracy of detail and are still quite entertaining. Law & Order used to be that way when it first started. Lately, though, they've been going for theatrics more than accuracy, especially in the courtroom scenes. So far, "Dragnet" is doing a great job of showing police work done right. As opposed to that dreck called "CSI".

2003-03-06 17:30:31-06:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <MPG.18d168d6f727b8f6989de9@netnews.attbi.com>, Growltiger <tyger@never.invalid> wrote: > Previously on alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer, sillyman@famous.com wrote in > article <jhvd6vsc5ng340etfegbn1kl556tci3nuf@4ax.com>... > > On Thu, 06 Mar 2003 11:35:05 -0800, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > > > > >But any prison would check his credentials as an attorney. Prison > > >visitors are all background checked, lawyer or not. It's not unusual > > >for prison visitors to be arrested because outstanding warrants are found > > >in the background check, including failures to appear on traffic tickets. > > > > Yup. When I worked for Corrections they were very stringent on that > > issue. They couldn't prevent lawyers or most family from visiting, but > > they could tell them when and make them provide excruciating detail > > about who they were and where they came from. We're back to suspension > > of disbelief on this one. Maybe the guards in the prison are all > > ex-Sunnydale PD? > > > > Wes got in to see Faith somehow. What more do we need to know? The > drama turns on the meeting not on the setup to the meeting. > > I am all for suspension of disbelief on this matter. Versimilitude is a > good thing, but if the letter of policy and rules was followed for > everything that goes down the television, then the drama would become > hopelessly bogged down in detail. I agree it's an irrelevant point but the idea that following procedures leads to boring TV is not true. Many shows pride themselves on accuracy of detail and are still quite entertaining. Law & Order used to be that way when it first started. Lately, though, they've been going for theatrics more than accuracy, especially in the courtroom scenes. So far, "Dragnet" is doing a great job of showing police work done right. As opposed to that dreck called "CSI".

2003-03-06 19:57:24+00:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (sillyman@famous.com)


On Thu, 06 Mar 2003 11:35:05 -0800, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: >But any prison would check his credentials as an attorney. Prison >visitors are all background checked, lawyer or not. It's not unusual for >prison visitors to be arrested because outstanding warrants are found in >the background check, including failures to appear on traffic tickets. Yup. When I worked for Corrections they were very stringent on that issue. They couldn't prevent lawyers or most family from visiting, but they could tell them when and make them provide excruciating detail about who they were and where they came from. We're back to suspension of disbelief on this one. Maybe the guards in the prison are all ex-Sunnydale PD?

2003-03-06 19:57:24+00:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (sillyman@famous.com)


On Thu, 06 Mar 2003 11:35:05 -0800, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: >But any prison would check his credentials as an attorney. Prison >visitors are all background checked, lawyer or not. It's not unusual for >prison visitors to be arrested because outstanding warrants are found in >the background check, including failures to appear on traffic tickets. Yup. When I worked for Corrections they were very stringent on that issue. They couldn't prevent lawyers or most family from visiting, but they could tell them when and make them provide excruciating detail about who they were and where they came from. We're back to suspension of disbelief on this one. Maybe the guards in the prison are all ex-Sunnydale PD?

2003-03-06 22:17:34+00:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Growltiger <tyger@never.invalid>)


Previously on alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer, sillyman@famous.com wrote in article <jhvd6vsc5ng340etfegbn1kl556tci3nuf@4ax.com>... > On Thu, 06 Mar 2003 11:35:05 -0800, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > >But any prison would check his credentials as an attorney. Prison > >visitors are all background checked, lawyer or not. It's not unusual for > >prison visitors to be arrested because outstanding warrants are found in > >the background check, including failures to appear on traffic tickets. > > Yup. When I worked for Corrections they were very stringent on that > issue. They couldn't prevent lawyers or most family from visiting, but > they could tell them when and make them provide excruciating detail > about who they were and where they came from. We're back to suspension > of disbelief on this one. Maybe the guards in the prison are all > ex-Sunnydale PD? > Wes got in to see Faith somehow. What more do we need to know? The drama turns on the meeting not on the setup to the meeting. I am all for suspension of disbelief on this matter. Versimilitude is a good thing, but if the letter of policy and rules was followed for everything that goes down the television, then the drama would become hopelessly bogged down in detail. -- Be seeing you, Growltiger

2003-03-06 22:17:34+00:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Growltiger <tyger@never.invalid>)


Previously on alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer, sillyman@famous.com wrote in article <jhvd6vsc5ng340etfegbn1kl556tci3nuf@4ax.com>... > On Thu, 06 Mar 2003 11:35:05 -0800, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > >But any prison would check his credentials as an attorney. Prison > >visitors are all background checked, lawyer or not. It's not unusual for > >prison visitors to be arrested because outstanding warrants are found in > >the background check, including failures to appear on traffic tickets. > > Yup. When I worked for Corrections they were very stringent on that > issue. They couldn't prevent lawyers or most family from visiting, but > they could tell them when and make them provide excruciating detail > about who they were and where they came from. We're back to suspension > of disbelief on this one. Maybe the guards in the prison are all > ex-Sunnydale PD? > Wes got in to see Faith somehow. What more do we need to know? The drama turns on the meeting not on the setup to the meeting. I am all for suspension of disbelief on this matter. Versimilitude is a good thing, but if the letter of policy and rules was followed for everything that goes down the television, then the drama would become hopelessly bogged down in detail. -- Be seeing you, Growltiger

2003-03-06 23:19:54-06:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <060320032356327037%dsample@synapse.net>, Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net> wrote: > In article <BTR1702-3FA8C0.20594906032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, BTR1701 > <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > In article > > <060320032115298657%robm@robmyers.removethisspamblocker.net>, > > robm@robmyers.removethisspamblocker.net wrote: > > > > > In article <BTR1702-1501AD.17230406032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, > > > BTR1701 > > > <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > > > > > I'm not assuming anything. This all started when *I* responded to > > > > someone who suggested the government had cracked down and sealed > > > > L.A. off from the world and that's why no one knows or is talking about > > > > what's going on there. > > > > > > Except they are, as demonstrated on the show. You're trying to sit on > > > a one-legged stool. > > > > In what episode of Buffy have they talked about what's going on in > > L.A.? > > Nothing has happened yet in the Buffy story timeline. Exactly. So much for my one-legged stool.

2003-03-06 23:19:54-06:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <060320032356327037%dsample@synapse.net>, Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net> wrote: > In article <BTR1702-3FA8C0.20594906032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, BTR1701 > <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > In article > > <060320032115298657%robm@robmyers.removethisspamblocker.net>, > > robm@robmyers.removethisspamblocker.net wrote: > > > > > In article <BTR1702-1501AD.17230406032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, > > > BTR1701 > > > <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > > > > > I'm not assuming anything. This all started when *I* responded to > > > > someone who suggested the government had cracked down and sealed > > > > L.A. off from the world and that's why no one knows or is talking about > > > > what's going on there. > > > > > > Except they are, as demonstrated on the show. You're trying to sit on > > > a one-legged stool. > > > > In what episode of Buffy have they talked about what's going on in > > L.A.? > > Nothing has happened yet in the Buffy story timeline. Exactly. So much for my one-legged stool.

2003-03-07 16:40:52+00:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Growltiger <tyger@never.invalid>)


Previously on alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer, BTR1702@ix.netcom.com wrote in article <BTR1702-BE0E7D.17303106032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com>... > In article <MPG.18d168d6f727b8f6989de9@netnews.attbi.com>, Growltiger > <tyger@never.invalid> wrote: > > > Previously on alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer, sillyman@famous.com wrote in > > article <jhvd6vsc5ng340etfegbn1kl556tci3nuf@4ax.com>... > > > On Thu, 06 Mar 2003 11:35:05 -0800, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >But any prison would check his credentials as an attorney. Prison > > > >visitors are all background checked, lawyer or not. It's not unusual > > > >for prison visitors to be arrested because outstanding warrants are found > > > >in the background check, including failures to appear on traffic tickets. > > > > > > Yup. When I worked for Corrections they were very stringent on that > > > issue. They couldn't prevent lawyers or most family from visiting, but > > > they could tell them when and make them provide excruciating detail > > > about who they were and where they came from. We're back to suspension > > > of disbelief on this one. Maybe the guards in the prison are all > > > ex-Sunnydale PD? > > > > > > > Wes got in to see Faith somehow. What more do we need to know? The > > drama turns on the meeting not on the setup to the meeting. > > > > I am all for suspension of disbelief on this matter. Versimilitude is a > > good thing, but if the letter of policy and rules was followed for > > everything that goes down the television, then the drama would become > > hopelessly bogged down in detail. > > > I agree it's an irrelevant point but the idea that following procedures > leads to boring TV is not true. Many shows pride themselves on accuracy > of detail and are still quite entertaining. > > Law & Order used to be that way when it first started. Lately, though, > they've been going for theatrics more than accuracy, especially in the > courtroom scenes. > > So far, "Dragnet" is doing a great job of showing police work done > right. As opposed to that dreck called "CSI". > I love good procedure drama, too, but that is not the mission of shows like Angel and Buffy the Vampire Slayer. It boggles my mind that anyone would want to spend time with Wes as he works to get his admission to the prison visiting room. As episodes go, "Salvage" covered a lot of ground in its 45 or so minutes of actual air time. I would think most people would be delighted to suspend disbelief or just accept dramatic license in order to get Wes in the door, move on to the escape sequence, and then get Faith to Los Angeles were the real action was. -- Be seeing you, Growltiger

2003-03-07 16:40:52+00:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Growltiger <tyger@never.invalid>)


Previously on alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer, BTR1702@ix.netcom.com wrote in article <BTR1702-BE0E7D.17303106032003@nntp.ix.netcom.com>... > In article <MPG.18d168d6f727b8f6989de9@netnews.attbi.com>, Growltiger > <tyger@never.invalid> wrote: > > > Previously on alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer, sillyman@famous.com wrote in > > article <jhvd6vsc5ng340etfegbn1kl556tci3nuf@4ax.com>... > > > On Thu, 06 Mar 2003 11:35:05 -0800, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >But any prison would check his credentials as an attorney. Prison > > > >visitors are all background checked, lawyer or not. It's not unusual > > > >for prison visitors to be arrested because outstanding warrants are found > > > >in the background check, including failures to appear on traffic tickets. > > > > > > Yup. When I worked for Corrections they were very stringent on that > > > issue. They couldn't prevent lawyers or most family from visiting, but > > > they could tell them when and make them provide excruciating detail > > > about who they were and where they came from. We're back to suspension > > > of disbelief on this one. Maybe the guards in the prison are all > > > ex-Sunnydale PD? > > > > > > > Wes got in to see Faith somehow. What more do we need to know? The > > drama turns on the meeting not on the setup to the meeting. > > > > I am all for suspension of disbelief on this matter. Versimilitude is a > > good thing, but if the letter of policy and rules was followed for > > everything that goes down the television, then the drama would become > > hopelessly bogged down in detail. > > > I agree it's an irrelevant point but the idea that following procedures > leads to boring TV is not true. Many shows pride themselves on accuracy > of detail and are still quite entertaining. > > Law & Order used to be that way when it first started. Lately, though, > they've been going for theatrics more than accuracy, especially in the > courtroom scenes. > > So far, "Dragnet" is doing a great job of showing police work done > right. As opposed to that dreck called "CSI". > I love good procedure drama, too, but that is not the mission of shows like Angel and Buffy the Vampire Slayer. It boggles my mind that anyone would want to spend time with Wes as he works to get his admission to the prison visiting room. As episodes go, "Salvage" covered a lot of ground in its 45 or so minutes of actual air time. I would think most people would be delighted to suspend disbelief or just accept dramatic license in order to get Wes in the door, move on to the escape sequence, and then get Faith to Los Angeles were the real action was. -- Be seeing you, Growltiger

2003-03-09 21:15:12-06:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <3e6bd924.24048895@news.fu-berlin.de>, samjames1NOSPAM@yahoo.com wrote: > On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 23:54:58 -0500, Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net> > wrote: > > >In article <3E640585.DA1EB06B@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > >> John DiFool wrote: > >> > > >> > Probably manslaughter, since killing the asst. Mayor was not > >> > premeditated in any way (her Slayer instincts took over for a > >> > moment-not that she was not culpable for being so reactive > >> > and unthinking). > >> > > >> Unless she confessed to killing the Professor. That was clearly cold > >> blooded murder. > > > >This has been beaten into the ground a few times. You *can't* be > >convicted on just a confession. There has to be some corroborating > >evidence. (People confess to things they didn't do all the time.) > > Of course you can be convicted on just a confession if the police > believe it and can convince the jury. Baloney. The rules of evidence will not allow a conviction based on an uncorroborated confession. I'm a cop. I know for a fact that when I have a confession, I better have something else to go with it or the US Attorney won't touch my case.

2003-03-09 21:15:12-06:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <3e6bd924.24048895@news.fu-berlin.de>, samjames1NOSPAM@yahoo.com wrote: > On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 23:54:58 -0500, Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net> > wrote: > > >In article <3E640585.DA1EB06B@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > >> John DiFool wrote: > >> > > >> > Probably manslaughter, since killing the asst. Mayor was not > >> > premeditated in any way (her Slayer instincts took over for a > >> > moment-not that she was not culpable for being so reactive > >> > and unthinking). > >> > > >> Unless she confessed to killing the Professor. That was clearly cold > >> blooded murder. > > > >This has been beaten into the ground a few times. You *can't* be > >convicted on just a confession. There has to be some corroborating > >evidence. (People confess to things they didn't do all the time.) > > Of course you can be convicted on just a confession if the police > believe it and can convince the jury. Baloney. The rules of evidence will not allow a conviction based on an uncorroborated confession. I'm a cop. I know for a fact that when I have a confession, I better have something else to go with it or the US Attorney won't touch my case.

2003-03-09 22:14:35-05:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)


In article <3e6bd924.24048895@news.fu-berlin.de>, Sam James <samjames1NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 23:54:58 -0500, Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net> > wrote: > > >In article <3E640585.DA1EB06B@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > >> John DiFool wrote: > >> > > >> > Probably manslaughter, since killing the asst. Mayor was not > >> > premeditated in any way (her Slayer instincts took over for a > >> > moment-not that she was not culpable for being so reactive > >> > and unthinking). > >> > > >> Unless she confessed to killing the Professor. That was clearly cold > >> blooded murder. > > > >This has been beaten into the ground a few times. You *can't* be > >convicted on just a confession. There has to be some corroborating > >evidence. (People confess to things they didn't do all the time.) > > Of course you can be convicted on just a confession if the police > believe it and can convince the jury. Witness the example of the kids > in NYC who were convicted for attacking that jogger and eventually > (after being in police custody for quite some time) confessed. This > year, evidence has come out showing that they didn't do it. The police also had a pile of circumstantial evidence that indicated that they did it. Without that, they wouldn't have been convicted, confession or not. -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

2003-03-09 22:14:35-05:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)


In article <3e6bd924.24048895@news.fu-berlin.de>, Sam James <samjames1NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 23:54:58 -0500, Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net> > wrote: > > >In article <3E640585.DA1EB06B@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > >> John DiFool wrote: > >> > > >> > Probably manslaughter, since killing the asst. Mayor was not > >> > premeditated in any way (her Slayer instincts took over for a > >> > moment-not that she was not culpable for being so reactive > >> > and unthinking). > >> > > >> Unless she confessed to killing the Professor. That was clearly cold > >> blooded murder. > > > >This has been beaten into the ground a few times. You *can't* be > >convicted on just a confession. There has to be some corroborating > >evidence. (People confess to things they didn't do all the time.) > > Of course you can be convicted on just a confession if the police > believe it and can convince the jury. Witness the example of the kids > in NYC who were convicted for attacking that jogger and eventually > (after being in police custody for quite some time) confessed. This > year, evidence has come out showing that they didn't do it. The police also had a pile of circumstantial evidence that indicated that they did it. Without that, they wouldn't have been convicted, confession or not. -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

2003-03-10 02:31:22+00:00 - Re: Demons exist! [Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler)] - (samjames1NOSPAM@yahoo.com)


On Tue, 04 Mar 2003 01:20:49 GMT, John DiFool <jdifool@earthlink.net> wrote: > > By now though the reporters which ARE still in town have >pretty much indicated to the general populace that demons >and other supernatural baddies are real. Why would they have any more evidence than when vampires and demons are killing at night anyway? No one knows why the sun was blocked in LA and the Beast hasn't been recorded. >And since this is the >biggest story going down ever since civilization started (think >about it) there WILL be loads of press coverage, if mainly >from out-of-town sources. CNN for example will be wall- >to-wall with basic coverage as well as commentary (and I >am sure the religious right will be advertising it as the Biblical >Apocalypse). The rest of the country is probably full of >demonstrations, rallies, riots, chaos of every sort, and the Dow >has probably plummeted past 1000. This is LA. Everyone probably thinks it's publicity for a film. > So why haven't any reporters shown up at the door of >Angel Investigations? How would reporters know that this particular PI firm knows anything real about the supernatural?

2003-03-10 02:31:22+00:00 - Re: Demons exist! [Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler)] - (samjames1NOSPAM@yahoo.com)


On Tue, 04 Mar 2003 01:20:49 GMT, John DiFool <jdifool@earthlink.net> wrote: > > By now though the reporters which ARE still in town have >pretty much indicated to the general populace that demons >and other supernatural baddies are real. Why would they have any more evidence than when vampires and demons are killing at night anyway? No one knows why the sun was blocked in LA and the Beast hasn't been recorded. >And since this is the >biggest story going down ever since civilization started (think >about it) there WILL be loads of press coverage, if mainly >from out-of-town sources. CNN for example will be wall- >to-wall with basic coverage as well as commentary (and I >am sure the religious right will be advertising it as the Biblical >Apocalypse). The rest of the country is probably full of >demonstrations, rallies, riots, chaos of every sort, and the Dow >has probably plummeted past 1000. This is LA. Everyone probably thinks it's publicity for a film. > So why haven't any reporters shown up at the door of >Angel Investigations? How would reporters know that this particular PI firm knows anything real about the supernatural?

2003-03-10 02:31:23+00:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (samjames1NOSPAM@yahoo.com)


On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 23:54:58 -0500, Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net> wrote: >In article <3E640585.DA1EB06B@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > >> John DiFool wrote: >> > >> > Probably manslaughter, since killing the asst. Mayor was not >> > premeditated in any way (her Slayer instincts took over for a >> > moment-not that she was not culpable for being so reactive >> > and unthinking). >> > >> Unless she confessed to killing the Professor. That was clearly cold >> blooded murder. > >This has been beaten into the ground a few times. You *can't* be >convicted on just a confession. There has to be some corroborating >evidence. (People confess to things they didn't do all the time.) Of course you can be convicted on just a confession if the police believe it and can convince the jury. Witness the example of the kids in NYC who were convicted for attacking that jogger and eventually (after being in police custody for quite some time) confessed. This year, evidence has come out showing that they didn't do it.

2003-03-10 02:31:23+00:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (samjames1NOSPAM@yahoo.com)


On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 23:54:58 -0500, Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net> wrote: >In article <3E640585.DA1EB06B@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > >> John DiFool wrote: >> > >> > Probably manslaughter, since killing the asst. Mayor was not >> > premeditated in any way (her Slayer instincts took over for a >> > moment-not that she was not culpable for being so reactive >> > and unthinking). >> > >> Unless she confessed to killing the Professor. That was clearly cold >> blooded murder. > >This has been beaten into the ground a few times. You *can't* be >convicted on just a confession. There has to be some corroborating >evidence. (People confess to things they didn't do all the time.) Of course you can be convicted on just a confession if the police believe it and can convince the jury. Witness the example of the kids in NYC who were convicted for attacking that jogger and eventually (after being in police custody for quite some time) confessed. This year, evidence has come out showing that they didn't do it.

2003-03-10 02:31:24+00:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (samjames1NOSPAM@yahoo.com)


On Tue, 04 Mar 2003 18:53:37 -0600, BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> Not the Mayor, but there's still the police chief, the coroner, the >> DAs... *Lots* of high public officials probably doing some very >> questionable things in Sunnydale. > > >And it's highly unlikely Faith had any direct evidence against them. >Just hearing about stuff like that from the Mayor would be inadmissible >hearsay. So unless she personally witnessed the police chief or the >coroner's corruption, she'd have very little to bargain with. More to the point, she wouldn't want to bargain, remember, she voluntarily went to the police and confessed.

2003-03-10 02:31:24+00:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (samjames1NOSPAM@yahoo.com)


On Tue, 04 Mar 2003 18:53:37 -0600, BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> Not the Mayor, but there's still the police chief, the coroner, the >> DAs... *Lots* of high public officials probably doing some very >> questionable things in Sunnydale. > > >And it's highly unlikely Faith had any direct evidence against them. >Just hearing about stuff like that from the Mayor would be inadmissible >hearsay. So unless she personally witnessed the police chief or the >coroner's corruption, she'd have very little to bargain with. More to the point, she wouldn't want to bargain, remember, she voluntarily went to the police and confessed.

2003-03-10 02:31:26+00:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (samjames1NOSPAM@yahoo.com)


On Tue, 04 Mar 2003 17:38:16 -0600, BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >Why would Dawn's "records" need any more space than anyone else's? Most >people's official records could fit on a floppy. What records would a 14 year old girl have? There'd be a birth certificate, probably a social security number, maybe a passport, some medical records at the doctor's office (not shared with the federal government or anyone else), and a few school records. The only hard part (other than changing memories of course) would be altering the class photos and any family photos.

2003-03-10 02:31:26+00:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (samjames1NOSPAM@yahoo.com)


On Tue, 04 Mar 2003 17:38:16 -0600, BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >Why would Dawn's "records" need any more space than anyone else's? Most >people's official records could fit on a floppy. What records would a 14 year old girl have? There'd be a birth certificate, probably a social security number, maybe a passport, some medical records at the doctor's office (not shared with the federal government or anyone else), and a few school records. The only hard part (other than changing memories of course) would be altering the class photos and any family photos.

2003-03-11 01:49:07+00:00 - Re: Demons exist! [Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler)] - (John DiFool <jdifool@earthlink.net>)


Sam James wrote: > On Tue, 04 Mar 2003 01:20:49 GMT, John DiFool <jdifool@earthlink.net> > wrote: > > > > > By now though the reporters which ARE still in town have > >pretty much indicated to the general populace that demons > >and other supernatural baddies are real. > > Why would they have any more evidence than when vampires and demons > are killing at night anyway? No one knows why the sun was blocked in > LA and the Beast hasn't been recorded. > > >And since this is the > >biggest story going down ever since civilization started (think > >about it) there WILL be loads of press coverage, if mainly > >from out-of-town sources. CNN for example will be wall- > >to-wall with basic coverage as well as commentary (and I > >am sure the religious right will be advertising it as the Biblical > >Apocalypse). The rest of the country is probably full of > >demonstrations, rallies, riots, chaos of every sort, and the Dow > >has probably plummeted past 1000. > > This is LA. Everyone probably thinks it's publicity for a film. > > > So why haven't any reporters shown up at the door of > >Angel Investigations? > > How would reporters know that this particular PI firm knows anything > real about the supernatural? Old thread (one which I almost forgot about), but I am kind of amazed at the excuses I see people offering here, suggesting that the horrific events taking place in LA will be downplayed by the media and somehow "written off" by the rest of the US. There will be pictures of the pseudo-eclipse on the television, people, unexplainable by science. The army wouldn't be able to get mobilized to cordon off the city (a BIG city, remember) for several days at least, Any media organization worth his salt will be jumping at the bit to cover the goings-on. And I doubt that there are no journalists in the entire LA press corps who are unaware of the various demon bars (pre-chaos, such places could be written off as the haunts of people who get their kicks by "dressing up" as demons (masks and all that)). A good journalist with the right connections would be able to visit such a place, and figure out where AI is, and go there asking questions. Seriously, when ever (in recent times of course~last 30 years) did the media go along with a government cover-up? The stories would no longer be the purview of the Weekly World News, they would be on the six-oclock news, and on CNN. Ordinary citizens with camcorder footage of vampires and various other creeps, and some people who got lucky with their shotguns and popped a few demons, carcasses on display for the whole world to see. It would be impossible to deny the truth any longer (unlike the X Files, where is was always isolated events with few witnesses)-even if the press cooperated in the coverup, internet postings from inside LA would ensure that the truth got out. And the US as we know it will have been changed forever, with the chaos level just a tad worse in other cities, and society at a standstill. But certain posters here (and ME productions, natch) seem to think all of that would somehow go relatively unnoticed, with the effects on the rest of society being minor. >shrug< John DiFool -- ============================================ Reach heaven far too high ============================================

2003-03-11 01:49:07+00:00 - Re: Demons exist! [Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler)] - (John DiFool <jdifool@earthlink.net>)


Sam James wrote: > On Tue, 04 Mar 2003 01:20:49 GMT, John DiFool <jdifool@earthlink.net> > wrote: > > > > > By now though the reporters which ARE still in town have > >pretty much indicated to the general populace that demons > >and other supernatural baddies are real. > > Why would they have any more evidence than when vampires and demons > are killing at night anyway? No one knows why the sun was blocked in > LA and the Beast hasn't been recorded. > > >And since this is the > >biggest story going down ever since civilization started (think > >about it) there WILL be loads of press coverage, if mainly > >from out-of-town sources. CNN for example will be wall- > >to-wall with basic coverage as well as commentary (and I > >am sure the religious right will be advertising it as the Biblical > >Apocalypse). The rest of the country is probably full of > >demonstrations, rallies, riots, chaos of every sort, and the Dow > >has probably plummeted past 1000. > > This is LA. Everyone probably thinks it's publicity for a film. > > > So why haven't any reporters shown up at the door of > >Angel Investigations? > > How would reporters know that this particular PI firm knows anything > real about the supernatural? Old thread (one which I almost forgot about), but I am kind of amazed at the excuses I see people offering here, suggesting that the horrific events taking place in LA will be downplayed by the media and somehow "written off" by the rest of the US. There will be pictures of the pseudo-eclipse on the television, people, unexplainable by science. The army wouldn't be able to get mobilized to cordon off the city (a BIG city, remember) for several days at least, Any media organization worth his salt will be jumping at the bit to cover the goings-on. And I doubt that there are no journalists in the entire LA press corps who are unaware of the various demon bars (pre-chaos, such places could be written off as the haunts of people who get their kicks by "dressing up" as demons (masks and all that)). A good journalist with the right connections would be able to visit such a place, and figure out where AI is, and go there asking questions. Seriously, when ever (in recent times of course~last 30 years) did the media go along with a government cover-up? The stories would no longer be the purview of the Weekly World News, they would be on the six-oclock news, and on CNN. Ordinary citizens with camcorder footage of vampires and various other creeps, and some people who got lucky with their shotguns and popped a few demons, carcasses on display for the whole world to see. It would be impossible to deny the truth any longer (unlike the X Files, where is was always isolated events with few witnesses)-even if the press cooperated in the coverup, internet postings from inside LA would ensure that the truth got out. And the US as we know it will have been changed forever, with the chaos level just a tad worse in other cities, and society at a standstill. But certain posters here (and ME productions, natch) seem to think all of that would somehow go relatively unnoticed, with the effects on the rest of society being minor. >shrug< John DiFool -- ============================================ Reach heaven far too high ============================================

2003-03-15 07:13:11+00:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (chibiangi <chibiangi@earthlink.net>)


Aethelrede <aethelrede@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:u8xca.7518$S%3.435144@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > > Growltiger wrote in message ... > >Previously on alt.tv.angel, chibiangi@earthlink.net wrote in article > ><ihrca.731$pK4.71121@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>... > >> > >> Aethelrede <aethelrede@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message > >> news:WgSba.3373$S%3.197380@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > >> > > >> > himiko wrote in message ... > >> > >liv <liv@ziplink.net> wrote in message > >> > news:<1ucs6v8bdnbph10bosgvd40csjbgv7kpnr@4ax.com>... > >> > >> On 10 Mar 2003 14:29:39 -0800, himiko@animail.net (himiko) wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> (snip) > >> > >> >And here beginneth the linguistics and sociology lesson. The > >> > >> >expressions societies use tell us a lot about them and their often > >> > >> >unspoken assumptions and beliefs. To pay in America means to offer > >> > >> >something of value. To repay (also often used in regard to prison > >> > >> >sentences) suggests giving something of value to replace or serve > in > >> > >> >place of something taken away. That we use this regularly with > regard > >> > >> >to prison time suggests that we place a high value on vengeance in > our > >> > >> >legal system. Because the only thing the prisoner can possibly be > >> > >> >"paying" or "repaying" is her/his pain and misery. > >> > >> ---------------- > >> > >> Weregild--money paid to the relatives of a murder victim in > >> > >> compensation for loss, or to prevent a feud; or an amount of money > >> > >> fixed as compensaton for the murder or disablement of a person, > based > >> > >> on rank. > >> > >> > >> > >> More strictly appropriate to civil trials, such as the OJ Simpson > >> > >> civil trials. Of course, we have people pay the goverment, rather > than > >> > >> individuals in criminal cases (Chain gangs, and so on), probably to > >> > >> avoid those feuds again. > >> > >> > >> > >> This anglo saxon custom is certain part of British law, and I'm > >> > >> certain made its way in to US law by the same route. > >> > >> > >> > >> To some extent, I suspect that 'pay for your crimes' means exactly > >> > >> what it sounds like, pay in money or work, if you have no money. In > >> > >> these latter days we simply take the cost out in pain, but I don't > >> > >> think that is the orgin, or meaning of the phrase. > >> > > > >> > >Interesting. Many cultures do this sort of thing, but ours claims not > >> > >to view people as something you can pay for. We claim human life is > >> > >sacred, not property whose family can be compensated for the loss with > >> > >money or labor. I still say that the fact that we continue to use > >> > >this phrase (it's very common; not just a rarely used remnant) with > >> > >regard to prison time suggests either that we still do regard people > >> > >as the property of their families, society, or something else...or the > >> > >payment is a form of vengeance. Personally, I think the latter is far > >> > >more likely, especially since the time served actually costs the state > >> > >(and thereby indirectly the family hurt by the crime) rather than > >> > >repaying diddley. > >> > > >> > I believe that the national average for a prisoner is about $20,000 > a > >> > year, depending on the degree of comfort and security the prison > authority > >> > considers proper and the wages of the guards. Given that there are > over > >> > 2,000,000 people in jail in the USA (the world's biggest prison > >> population), > >> > the cost to taxpayers is enormous, and must be worst in those "Three > >> Strike" > >> > states where three relatively minor crimes can get decade-long > sentences. > >> > >> Three strikes is for felonies and not misdemeanors. > > I don't believe I said it was. But someone who does a year or so for > each of 2 minor felonies and then commits a third equally minor felony (and > they don't have to be violent) doesn't deserve a 20 year plus sentence Well slap me on the ass and call me spanky :D I was just noting that they do distinguish between to the two because many people seem to think someone is going to get a life sentence after stealing a loaf of bread, scratching their balls, and jaywalking :D Personally, 3 strikes should only apply to violent crimes and not stupid shit like possession, etc. Oh, and I have new email address. You should try it just to see if it works ;) -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- FEB MBC Sushi!Girlie "When I bite into a York Peppermint Patty, I get the sensation of performing oral sex on a poorly constructed snowman standing in the yard of people I have never met."-ad "My career lets me travel to all kinds of great overseas places, like Canada." -Britney Spears ----------------------------------------------------------------------

2003-03-15 07:13:11+00:00 - Re: Faith, TV? Radio? Newspaper? (Maybe Spoiler) - (chibiangi <chibiangi@earthlink.net>)


Aethelrede <aethelrede@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:u8xca.7518$S%3.435144@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > > Growltiger wrote in message ... > >Previously on alt.tv.angel, chibiangi@earthlink.net wrote in article > ><ihrca.731$pK4.71121@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>... > >> > >> Aethelrede <aethelrede@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message > >> news:WgSba.3373$S%3.197380@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > >> > > >> > himiko wrote in message ... > >> > >liv <liv@ziplink.net> wrote in message > >> > news:<1ucs6v8bdnbph10bosgvd40csjbgv7kpnr@4ax.com>... > >> > >> On 10 Mar 2003 14:29:39 -0800, himiko@animail.net (himiko) wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> (snip) > >> > >> >And here beginneth the linguistics and sociology lesson. The > >> > >> >expressions societies use tell us a lot about them and their often > >> > >> >unspoken assumptions and beliefs. To pay in America means to offer > >> > >> >something of value. To repay (also often used in regard to prison > >> > >> >sentences) suggests giving something of value to replace or serve > in > >> > >> >place of something taken away. That we use this regularly with > regard > >> > >> >to prison time suggests that we place a high value on vengeance in > our > >> > >> >legal system. Because the only thing the prisoner can possibly be > >> > >> >"paying" or "repaying" is her/his pain and misery. > >> > >> ---------------- > >> > >> Weregild--money paid to the relatives of a murder victim in > >> > >> compensation for loss, or to prevent a feud; or an amount of money > >> > >> fixed as compensaton for the murder or disablement of a person, > based > >> > >> on rank. > >> > >> > >> > >> More strictly appropriate to civil trials, such as the OJ Simpson > >> > >> civil trials. Of course, we have people pay the goverment, rather > than > >> > >> individuals in criminal cases (Chain gangs, and so on), probably to > >> > >> avoid those feuds again. > >> > >> > >> > >> This anglo saxon custom is certain part of British law, and I'm > >> > >> certain made its way in to US law by the same route. > >> > >> > >> > >> To some extent, I suspect that 'pay for your crimes' means exactly > >> > >> what it sounds like, pay in money or work, if you have no money. In > >> > >> these latter days we simply take the cost out in pain, but I don't > >> > >> think that is the orgin, or meaning of the phrase. > >> > > > >> > >Interesting. Many cultures do this sort of thing, but ours claims not > >> > >to view people as something you can pay for. We claim human life is > >> > >sacred, not property whose family can be compensated for the loss with > >> > >money or labor. I still say that the fact that we continue to use > >> > >this phrase (it's very common; not just a rarely used remnant) with > >> > >regard to prison time suggests either that we still do regard people > >> > >as the property of their families, society, or something else...or the > >> > >payment is a form of vengeance. Personally, I think the latter is far > >> > >more likely, especially since the time served actually costs the state > >> > >(and thereby indirectly the family hurt by the crime) rather than > >> > >repaying diddley. > >> > > >> > I believe that the national average for a prisoner is about $20,000 > a > >> > year, depending on the degree of comfort and security the prison > authority > >> > considers proper and the wages of the guards. Given that there are > over > >> > 2,000,000 people in jail in the USA (the world's biggest prison > >> population), > >> > the cost to taxpayers is enormous, and must be worst in those "Three > >> Strike" > >> > states where three relatively minor crimes can get decade-long > sentences. > >> > >> Three strikes is for felonies and not misdemeanors. > > I don't believe I said it was. But someone who does a year or so for > each of 2 minor felonies and then commits a third equally minor felony (and > they don't have to be violent) doesn't deserve a 20 year plus sentence Well slap me on the ass and call me spanky :D I was just noting that they do distinguish between to the two because many people seem to think someone is going to get a life sentence after stealing a loaf of bread, scratching their balls, and jaywalking :D Personally, 3 strikes should only apply to violent crimes and not stupid shit like possession, etc. Oh, and I have new email address. You should try it just to see if it works ;) -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- FEB MBC Sushi!Girlie "When I bite into a York Peppermint Patty, I get the sensation of performing oral sex on a poorly constructed snowman standing in the yard of people I have never met."-ad "My career lets me travel to all kinds of great overseas places, like Canada." -Britney Spears ----------------------------------------------------------------------