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2003-01-08 20:39:12-06:00 - Re: The cutest proto-slayers... - (SHaque <SHaque@spambad.com>)


John DiFool <jdifool@earthlink.net> wrote in news:3E1CCCA3.4C1788C7 @earthlink.net: > I personally liked the Hispanic girl, and the shy willowy > wallflower who didn't say much last episode... > > John DiFool > > -- >============================================ > And she beckons to you with her secrets and lies >============================================ > > > I like the limey :) The one who survived, that is. -SHaque

2003-01-08 20:39:12-06:00 - Re: The cutest proto-slayers... - (SHaque <SHaque@spambad.com>)


John DiFool <jdifool@earthlink.net> wrote in news:3E1CCCA3.4C1788C7 @earthlink.net: > I personally liked the Hispanic girl, and the shy willowy > wallflower who didn't say much last episode... > > John DiFool > > -- >============================================ > And she beckons to you with her secrets and lies >============================================ > > > I like the limey :) The one who survived, that is. -SHaque

2003-01-09 00:38:59-07:00 - Re: The cutest proto-slayers... - (William George Ferguson <wmgfrgsn@newsguy.com>)


"JustMe" <whome@nospam.com> wrote: >"SHaque" <SHaque@spambad.com> wrote in message >news:uAGdnchwzNZNfYGjXTWcqg@giganews.com... >> John DiFool <jdifool@earthlink.net> wrote in news:3E1CCCA3.4C1788C7 >> @earthlink.net: >> >> > I personally liked the Hispanic girl, and the shy willowy >> > wallflower who didn't say much last episode... >> > >> > John DiFool > >> I like the limey :) The one who survived, that is. >For cuteness factor I'd have to go for (Don't know name) the one at the >construction site who says "no. no . no" when Ubie shows up. That was Chloe. Lessee, we really need to set up a SIT scorecard Kennedy - the oldest, American, hitting on Willow Played by Iyari Limon, who apparently is hispanic. Limon was on MTV-Undressed the same season that Kelly Donovan was. Molly - the chatterbox with the American conception of a cockney accent Played by Clara Bryant who played the little sister of David Healy (Darlene's boyfriend/husband) on Roseanne Rona - the black girl Buffy met at the bus station. Like Buffy, she was living in blissful ignorance of the whole supernatural thing (until Bringers attacked her) Played by 'Indigo' who appears to have had a recurring role on Boston Public, as a student named Cheyenne Vi - medium tall slender one with curly hair and caps. Played by Felicia Day, who apparently has been cast in the straight to video 'sequel' Bring It On Again (one of those 'sequel's which only includes the name, not any of the characters or actors) Chloe - the round-faced one who has been kind of quiet so far (a real casting against type, if you've seen her in other things) Played by Lalaine Vergara-Paras, who has played Lizzie's best friend Miranda throughout the run of Disney's Lizzie McGuire. Lalaine is (I believe) Filipino. Lalaine has the largest resume of any of the SIT actresses, her role on Lizzie McGuire would be equivalent in importance to Alyson Hannigan's on Buffy, and Lizzie is the highest rated scripted program on basic cable. She appeared in Les Miserables on Broadway for two seasons (playing the child Cosette). Annabelle - the bossy one of the three SITs that Giles brought. Panicked, ran, and was killed Played by Courtnee Draper, another Disney Channel teen actress (she's 17). Appearing on the soap, The Bold and the Beautiful Eve - killed off-camera then the First masqueraded as her Played by Amanda Fuller, who has appeared in a ton of one-shot roles on TV, perhaps most memorable was playing Donna's younger sister, Tina the one and only time she was ever mentioned, on That 70's Show -- I think it's entirely possible that we might try to fool people hell bent on spoiling our season. We're deceptive people. We promote sex and violence and the occult. Frankly, we're just not good seeds. -- Drew Goddard (Bronze Beta 8/28/2002)

2003-01-09 00:38:59-07:00 - Re: The cutest proto-slayers... - (William George Ferguson <wmgfrgsn@newsguy.com>)


"JustMe" <whome@nospam.com> wrote: >"SHaque" <SHaque@spambad.com> wrote in message >news:uAGdnchwzNZNfYGjXTWcqg@giganews.com... >> John DiFool <jdifool@earthlink.net> wrote in news:3E1CCCA3.4C1788C7 >> @earthlink.net: >> >> > I personally liked the Hispanic girl, and the shy willowy >> > wallflower who didn't say much last episode... >> > >> > John DiFool > >> I like the limey :) The one who survived, that is. >For cuteness factor I'd have to go for (Don't know name) the one at the >construction site who says "no. no . no" when Ubie shows up. That was Chloe. Lessee, we really need to set up a SIT scorecard Kennedy - the oldest, American, hitting on Willow Played by Iyari Limon, who apparently is hispanic. Limon was on MTV-Undressed the same season that Kelly Donovan was. Molly - the chatterbox with the American conception of a cockney accent Played by Clara Bryant who played the little sister of David Healy (Darlene's boyfriend/husband) on Roseanne Rona - the black girl Buffy met at the bus station. Like Buffy, she was living in blissful ignorance of the whole supernatural thing (until Bringers attacked her) Played by 'Indigo' who appears to have had a recurring role on Boston Public, as a student named Cheyenne Vi - medium tall slender one with curly hair and caps. Played by Felicia Day, who apparently has been cast in the straight to video 'sequel' Bring It On Again (one of those 'sequel's which only includes the name, not any of the characters or actors) Chloe - the round-faced one who has been kind of quiet so far (a real casting against type, if you've seen her in other things) Played by Lalaine Vergara-Paras, who has played Lizzie's best friend Miranda throughout the run of Disney's Lizzie McGuire. Lalaine is (I believe) Filipino. Lalaine has the largest resume of any of the SIT actresses, her role on Lizzie McGuire would be equivalent in importance to Alyson Hannigan's on Buffy, and Lizzie is the highest rated scripted program on basic cable. She appeared in Les Miserables on Broadway for two seasons (playing the child Cosette). Annabelle - the bossy one of the three SITs that Giles brought. Panicked, ran, and was killed Played by Courtnee Draper, another Disney Channel teen actress (she's 17). Appearing on the soap, The Bold and the Beautiful Eve - killed off-camera then the First masqueraded as her Played by Amanda Fuller, who has appeared in a ton of one-shot roles on TV, perhaps most memorable was playing Donna's younger sister, Tina the one and only time she was ever mentioned, on That 70's Show -- I think it's entirely possible that we might try to fool people hell bent on spoiling our season. We're deceptive people. We promote sex and violence and the occult. Frankly, we're just not good seeds. -- Drew Goddard (Bronze Beta 8/28/2002)

2003-01-09 01:09:23+00:00 - The cutest proto-slayers... - (John DiFool <jdifool@earthlink.net>)


I personally liked the Hispanic girl, and the shy willowy wallflower who didn't say much last episode... John DiFool -- ============================================ And she beckons to you with her secrets and lies ============================================

2003-01-09 01:09:23+00:00 - The cutest proto-slayers... - (John DiFool <jdifool@earthlink.net>)


I personally liked the Hispanic girl, and the shy willowy wallflower who didn't say much last episode... John DiFool -- ============================================ And she beckons to you with her secrets and lies ============================================

2003-01-09 03:34:40+00:00 - Re: The cutest proto-slayers... - (JustMe <whome@nospam.com>)


"SHaque" <SHaque@spambad.com> wrote in message news:uAGdnchwzNZNfYGjXTWcqg@giganews.com... > John DiFool <jdifool@earthlink.net> wrote in news:3E1CCCA3.4C1788C7 > @earthlink.net: > > > I personally liked the Hispanic girl, and the shy willowy > > wallflower who didn't say much last episode... > > > > John DiFool > > > > -- > >============================================ > > And she beckons to you with her secrets and lies > >============================================ > > > > > > > > I like the limey :) The one who survived, that is. > > -SHaque For cuteness factor I'd have to go for (Don't know name) the one at the construction site who says "no. no . no" when Ubie shows up.

2003-01-09 03:34:40+00:00 - Re: The cutest proto-slayers... - (JustMe <whome@nospam.com>)


"SHaque" <SHaque@spambad.com> wrote in message news:uAGdnchwzNZNfYGjXTWcqg@giganews.com... > John DiFool <jdifool@earthlink.net> wrote in news:3E1CCCA3.4C1788C7 > @earthlink.net: > > > I personally liked the Hispanic girl, and the shy willowy > > wallflower who didn't say much last episode... > > > > John DiFool > > > > -- > >============================================ > > And she beckons to you with her secrets and lies > >============================================ > > > > > > > > I like the limey :) The one who survived, that is. > > -SHaque For cuteness factor I'd have to go for (Don't know name) the one at the construction site who says "no. no . no" when Ubie shows up.

2003-01-09 17:24:41+00:00 - Re: The cutest proto-slayers... - (napier <somebody@somewhere.com>)


> I personally liked the Hispanic girl, and the shy willowy > wallflower who didn't say much last episode... I liked Eve. I really dug that southern accent. Oh well, just my luck.....

2003-01-09 17:24:41+00:00 - Re: The cutest proto-slayers... - (napier <somebody@somewhere.com>)


> I personally liked the Hispanic girl, and the shy willowy > wallflower who didn't say much last episode... I liked Eve. I really dug that southern accent. Oh well, just my luck.....

2003-01-09 23:27:28-06:00 - Re: The cutest proto-slayers... - (Zombie Elvis <DELETE-ME-2-REPLY-castillo@enteract.com>)


It was a time of great turmoil. The strong preyed on the weak, dogs and cats lived together. One voice cried out in the wilderness: John DiFool <jdifool@earthlink.net> wrote in <3E1CCCA3.4C1788C7@earthlink.net>: > I personally liked the Hispanic girl, and the shy willowy > wallflower who didn't say much last episode... > I liked the girl with the hat -- simply adorable. -- "I had a plan the whole time.... I planned to get killed, come back as a vampire and bite you." -- Dawn Summers Roberto Castillo castillo@enteract.com http://www.enteract.com/~castillo

2003-01-09 23:27:28-06:00 - Re: The cutest proto-slayers... - (Zombie Elvis <DELETE-ME-2-REPLY-castillo@enteract.com>)


It was a time of great turmoil. The strong preyed on the weak, dogs and cats lived together. One voice cried out in the wilderness: John DiFool <jdifool@earthlink.net> wrote in <3E1CCCA3.4C1788C7@earthlink.net>: > I personally liked the Hispanic girl, and the shy willowy > wallflower who didn't say much last episode... > I liked the girl with the hat -- simply adorable. -- "I had a plan the whole time.... I planned to get killed, come back as a vampire and bite you." -- Dawn Summers Roberto Castillo castillo@enteract.com http://www.enteract.com/~castillo

2003-01-10 00:57:21+00:00 - Re: The cutest proto-slayers... - (Daryl Barnett <atthesea@attbi.com>)


> > I personally liked the Hispanic girl, and the shy willowy > > wallflower who didn't say much last episode... > > I liked Eve. I really dug that southern accent. Oh well, just my luck..... > > Eve was sweet. My favorite is Molly, though. I am still partial to an english accent.

2003-01-10 00:57:21+00:00 - Re: The cutest proto-slayers... - (Daryl Barnett <atthesea@attbi.com>)


> > I personally liked the Hispanic girl, and the shy willowy > > wallflower who didn't say much last episode... > > I liked Eve. I really dug that southern accent. Oh well, just my luck..... > > Eve was sweet. My favorite is Molly, though. I am still partial to an english accent.

2003-01-10 01:03:09-08:00 - Re: The cutest proto-slayers... - (buffhunter@my-deja.com)


John DiFool <jdifool@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<3E1CCCA3.4C1788C7@earthlink.net>... > I personally liked the Hispanic girl, and the shy willowy > wallflower who didn't say much last episode... > > John DiFool ----- Rona and Chloe in that order for me. ---->Hunter

2003-01-10 01:03:09-08:00 - Re: The cutest proto-slayers... - (buffhunter@my-deja.com)


John DiFool <jdifool@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<3E1CCCA3.4C1788C7@earthlink.net>... > I personally liked the Hispanic girl, and the shy willowy > wallflower who didn't say much last episode... > > John DiFool ----- Rona and Chloe in that order for me. ---->Hunter

2003-01-10 02:09:24+00:00 - Re: The cutest proto-slayers... - (John Campbell Rees <jwcr@gardd-lelog.org.uk>)


During the course of this discussion, "Daryl Barnett" <atthesea@attbi.com>, in message <RToT9.628493$P31.239670@rwcrnsc53> wrote: > > > > I personally liked the Hispanic girl, and the shy willowy > > > wallflower who didn't say much last episode... > > > > I liked Eve. I really dug that southern accent. Oh well, just my luck..... > > > > > Eve was sweet. My favorite is Molly, though. I am still partial to an > english accent. She is trying hard with the accent, but it just doesn't sound right. Maybe ASH and James Marsters can help her out. -- "Like shooting flies with a laser cannon, the aims a bit tricky, but it certainly deals with the flies." - Lord Miles Vorkosigan.

2003-01-10 02:09:24+00:00 - Re: The cutest proto-slayers... - (John Campbell Rees <jwcr@gardd-lelog.org.uk>)


During the course of this discussion, "Daryl Barnett" <atthesea@attbi.com>, in message <RToT9.628493$P31.239670@rwcrnsc53> wrote: > > > > I personally liked the Hispanic girl, and the shy willowy > > > wallflower who didn't say much last episode... > > > > I liked Eve. I really dug that southern accent. Oh well, just my luck..... > > > > > Eve was sweet. My favorite is Molly, though. I am still partial to an > english accent. She is trying hard with the accent, but it just doesn't sound right. Maybe ASH and James Marsters can help her out. -- "Like shooting flies with a laser cannon, the aims a bit tricky, but it certainly deals with the flies." - Lord Miles Vorkosigan.

2003-01-10 02:22:07-08:00 - Re: The cutest proto-slayers... - (buffhunter@my-deja.com)


Darwin Fish <a@a.edu> wrote in message news:<a-192F31.20403509012003@netnews.worldnet.att.net>... > In article <RToT9.628493$P31.239670@rwcrnsc53>, > "Daryl Barnett" <atthesea@attbi.com> wrote: > > > > > I personally liked the Hispanic girl, and the shy willowy > > > > wallflower who didn't say much last episode... > > > > > > I liked Eve. I really dug that southern accent. Oh well, just my luck..... > > > > > > > > Eve was sweet. My favorite is Molly, though. I am still partial to an > > english accent. > > > > And Giles seems to like her. Of course, I sure he's just glad to be able > to talk to someone who understands English... --- Not neccessarilly. In England traditionally and to a significant extent today your accent reveals your class and therefore your place. Giles speaks with an upper class accent, standard English if not Royal Pronounciation. People who speak like him usually look down on those whos accents are like Molly or Spike's or Drusilla (or like Pinky of "Pinky and the Brain" london accent). Of course, Giles as we saw in the "candy" episode did not speak the way he does now when he was a teenager riding motocycles. It was more working class, so he is probably not a snob about it but it probably grates on him like Buffy's past valley girl like inflections and slang. On the other hand, Giles probably found "Eve's" lilting southern cadance pleasant. By way of comparison Wesley on the other hand was pure upperclass as revealed in the "Angel" episode "Spin the Bottle". He spoke exactly as he did when he was "17" as he does now. Anabelle was probably the most to his (Giles) liking in terms of accent. ---->Hunter

2003-01-10 02:22:07-08:00 - Re: The cutest proto-slayers... - (buffhunter@my-deja.com)


Darwin Fish <a@a.edu> wrote in message news:<a-192F31.20403509012003@netnews.worldnet.att.net>... > In article <RToT9.628493$P31.239670@rwcrnsc53>, > "Daryl Barnett" <atthesea@attbi.com> wrote: > > > > > I personally liked the Hispanic girl, and the shy willowy > > > > wallflower who didn't say much last episode... > > > > > > I liked Eve. I really dug that southern accent. Oh well, just my luck..... > > > > > > > > Eve was sweet. My favorite is Molly, though. I am still partial to an > > english accent. > > > > And Giles seems to like her. Of course, I sure he's just glad to be able > to talk to someone who understands English... --- Not neccessarilly. In England traditionally and to a significant extent today your accent reveals your class and therefore your place. Giles speaks with an upper class accent, standard English if not Royal Pronounciation. People who speak like him usually look down on those whos accents are like Molly or Spike's or Drusilla (or like Pinky of "Pinky and the Brain" london accent). Of course, Giles as we saw in the "candy" episode did not speak the way he does now when he was a teenager riding motocycles. It was more working class, so he is probably not a snob about it but it probably grates on him like Buffy's past valley girl like inflections and slang. On the other hand, Giles probably found "Eve's" lilting southern cadance pleasant. By way of comparison Wesley on the other hand was pure upperclass as revealed in the "Angel" episode "Spin the Bottle". He spoke exactly as he did when he was "17" as he does now. Anabelle was probably the most to his (Giles) liking in terms of accent. ---->Hunter

2003-01-10 02:40:23+00:00 - Re: The cutest proto-slayers... - (Darwin Fish <a@a.edu>)


In article <RToT9.628493$P31.239670@rwcrnsc53>, "Daryl Barnett" <atthesea@attbi.com> wrote: > > > I personally liked the Hispanic girl, and the shy willowy > > > wallflower who didn't say much last episode... > > > > I liked Eve. I really dug that southern accent. Oh well, just my luck..... > > > > > Eve was sweet. My favorite is Molly, though. I am still partial to an > english accent. > And Giles seems to like her. Of course, I sure he's just glad to be able to talk to someone who understands English... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Let the Darwin Fishes swim! www.darwin-fish.com/fish.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------

2003-01-10 02:40:23+00:00 - Re: The cutest proto-slayers... - (Darwin Fish <a@a.edu>)


In article <RToT9.628493$P31.239670@rwcrnsc53>, "Daryl Barnett" <atthesea@attbi.com> wrote: > > > I personally liked the Hispanic girl, and the shy willowy > > > wallflower who didn't say much last episode... > > > > I liked Eve. I really dug that southern accent. Oh well, just my luck..... > > > > > Eve was sweet. My favorite is Molly, though. I am still partial to an > english accent. > And Giles seems to like her. Of course, I sure he's just glad to be able to talk to someone who understands English... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Let the Darwin Fishes swim! www.darwin-fish.com/fish.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------

2003-01-10 21:56:45-05:00 - Re: The cutest proto-slayers... - ("Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net>)


On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 01:09:23 GMT, John DiFool wrote: > I personally liked the Hispanic girl, and the shy willowy > wallflower who didn't say much last episode... Um, which one is hispanic? Hispanic people just look like white people to me. As for cuteness, I like Molly, despite the accent. -- Mathew Homepage - http://mathew.fcpages.com/ Angel web site - http://angel.fcpages.com/

2003-01-10 21:56:45-05:00 - Re: The cutest proto-slayers... - ("Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net>)


On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 01:09:23 GMT, John DiFool wrote: > I personally liked the Hispanic girl, and the shy willowy > wallflower who didn't say much last episode... Um, which one is hispanic? Hispanic people just look like white people to me. As for cuteness, I like Molly, despite the accent. -- Mathew Homepage - http://mathew.fcpages.com/ Angel web site - http://angel.fcpages.com/

2003-01-11 00:26:12-08:00 - Re: The cutest proto-slayers... - (Mark_Reichert@hotmail.com)


William George Ferguson <wmgfrgsn@newsguy.com> wrote in message news:<cg7q1v898cj3danqtku5i5fadi8189ocvo@4ax.com>... > Kennedy - the oldest, American, hitting on Willow Don't forget wealthy, or at least coming from a wealthy family. If she wasn't blowing smoke. It would be useful to not have to hold down a day job.

2003-01-11 00:26:12-08:00 - Re: The cutest proto-slayers... - (Mark_Reichert@hotmail.com)


William George Ferguson <wmgfrgsn@newsguy.com> wrote in message news:<cg7q1v898cj3danqtku5i5fadi8189ocvo@4ax.com>... > Kennedy - the oldest, American, hitting on Willow Don't forget wealthy, or at least coming from a wealthy family. If she wasn't blowing smoke. It would be useful to not have to hold down a day job.

2003-01-11 12:30:55-05:00 - Re: The cutest proto-slayers... - (someone <yustabe@bellsouth.net>)


On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 00:27:00 +0000, Justine Jones wrote: > In article <32f29bdf.0301100222.407b3779@posting.google.com>, > buffhunter@my-deja.com (Hunter) wrote: > >> Darwin Fish <a@a.edu> wrote in message >> > news:<a-192F31.20403509012003@netnews.worldnet.att.net>... >> > In article <RToT9.628493$P31.239670@rwcrnsc53>, >> > "Daryl Barnett" <atthesea@attbi.com> wrote: >> ><mucho snipo> > Justine (lower middle class > > PS ever since I saw 'Working Girl' I have thought that it is untrue that > Americans don't have a class system. Why did the girl need speech lessons > is there's no snobbery about accents? serious question- what led you to believe US has no class system??

2003-01-11 12:30:55-05:00 - Re: The cutest proto-slayers... - (someone <yustabe@bellsouth.net>)


On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 00:27:00 +0000, Justine Jones wrote: > In article <32f29bdf.0301100222.407b3779@posting.google.com>, > buffhunter@my-deja.com (Hunter) wrote: > >> Darwin Fish <a@a.edu> wrote in message >> > news:<a-192F31.20403509012003@netnews.worldnet.att.net>... >> > In article <RToT9.628493$P31.239670@rwcrnsc53>, >> > "Daryl Barnett" <atthesea@attbi.com> wrote: >> ><mucho snipo> > Justine (lower middle class > > PS ever since I saw 'Working Girl' I have thought that it is untrue that > Americans don't have a class system. Why did the girl need speech lessons > is there's no snobbery about accents? serious question- what led you to believe US has no class system??

2003-01-11 13:39:48-06:00 - Re: The cutest proto-slayers... - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)


In article <99e65015.0301110026.4cdda976@posting.google.com>, Mark Reichert <Mark_Reichert@hotmail.com> wrote: > William George Ferguson <wmgfrgsn@newsguy.com> wrote in message > news:<cg7q1v898cj3danqtku5i5fadi8189ocvo@4ax.com>... > > Kennedy - the oldest, American, hitting on Willow > > Don't forget wealthy, or at least coming from a wealthy family. If > she wasn't blowing smoke. It would be useful to not have to hold down > a day job. I'm thinking maybe Kennedy will end up writing Buffy a cheque to cover repairs to the house, and the feeding of half a dozen extra mouths. -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

2003-01-11 13:39:48-06:00 - Re: The cutest proto-slayers... - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)


In article <99e65015.0301110026.4cdda976@posting.google.com>, Mark Reichert <Mark_Reichert@hotmail.com> wrote: > William George Ferguson <wmgfrgsn@newsguy.com> wrote in message > news:<cg7q1v898cj3danqtku5i5fadi8189ocvo@4ax.com>... > > Kennedy - the oldest, American, hitting on Willow > > Don't forget wealthy, or at least coming from a wealthy family. If > she wasn't blowing smoke. It would be useful to not have to hold down > a day job. I'm thinking maybe Kennedy will end up writing Buffy a cheque to cover repairs to the house, and the feeding of half a dozen extra mouths. -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

2003-01-11 23:22:29-08:00 - Re: The cutest proto-slayers... - (buffhunter@my-deja.com)


"someone" <yustabe@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:<pan.2003.01.11.17.30.52.335252@bellsouth.net>... > On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 00:27:00 +0000, Justine Jones wrote: > > > In article <32f29bdf.0301100222.407b3779@posting.google.com>, > > buffhunter@my-deja.com (Hunter) wrote: > > > >> Darwin Fish <a@a.edu> wrote in message > >> > news:<a-192F31.20403509012003@netnews.worldnet.att.net>... > >> > In article <RToT9.628493$P31.239670@rwcrnsc53>, > >> > "Daryl Barnett" <atthesea@attbi.com> wrote: > >> ><mucho snipo> > > Justine (lower middle class > > > > PS ever since I saw 'Working Girl' I have thought that it is untrue that > > Americans don't have a class system. Why did the girl need speech lessons > > is there's no snobbery about accents? > > serious question- what led you to believe US has no class system?? ----- To be clear as seen above you are answering Justine and not me, Hunter. Another case of very bad editing and not following the number of quote ">" marks. But to answer the question, our class system is much less formalized and the various lower classes can obtain power much easier than in England. That is what was part of the American Revolution was about. The deminition of class difference in the obtaining of power. Don't get me wrong, it still matters but not as much as it was in England. You see, in America just getting rich is enough to put you in a different class, in England money does not matter as much as proper breeding and titles. For a long time a poor Earl was much more respected than a highly successful shop keeper. In America 'Old" money may complain about the neuveo riche (sp?) but after a generation such talk dies out. Our "system" is much more informal and you cannot automatically tell what station in life he is at by his accent alone as you can tranditionally in England. That is not to say there is not social pressure as to what is accepted accents in America. Just look at the jokes about Eve. Hear a southern accent and all the jokes about "inbreading" and being "retarded" comes out. A New York/Brooklyn accent is look down apon. But if you have money with that accent then all the doors of respect get swung open. ----->Hunter

2003-01-11 23:22:29-08:00 - Re: The cutest proto-slayers... - (buffhunter@my-deja.com)


"someone" <yustabe@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:<pan.2003.01.11.17.30.52.335252@bellsouth.net>... > On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 00:27:00 +0000, Justine Jones wrote: > > > In article <32f29bdf.0301100222.407b3779@posting.google.com>, > > buffhunter@my-deja.com (Hunter) wrote: > > > >> Darwin Fish <a@a.edu> wrote in message > >> > news:<a-192F31.20403509012003@netnews.worldnet.att.net>... > >> > In article <RToT9.628493$P31.239670@rwcrnsc53>, > >> > "Daryl Barnett" <atthesea@attbi.com> wrote: > >> ><mucho snipo> > > Justine (lower middle class > > > > PS ever since I saw 'Working Girl' I have thought that it is untrue that > > Americans don't have a class system. Why did the girl need speech lessons > > is there's no snobbery about accents? > > serious question- what led you to believe US has no class system?? ----- To be clear as seen above you are answering Justine and not me, Hunter. Another case of very bad editing and not following the number of quote ">" marks. But to answer the question, our class system is much less formalized and the various lower classes can obtain power much easier than in England. That is what was part of the American Revolution was about. The deminition of class difference in the obtaining of power. Don't get me wrong, it still matters but not as much as it was in England. You see, in America just getting rich is enough to put you in a different class, in England money does not matter as much as proper breeding and titles. For a long time a poor Earl was much more respected than a highly successful shop keeper. In America 'Old" money may complain about the neuveo riche (sp?) but after a generation such talk dies out. Our "system" is much more informal and you cannot automatically tell what station in life he is at by his accent alone as you can tranditionally in England. That is not to say there is not social pressure as to what is accepted accents in America. Just look at the jokes about Eve. Hear a southern accent and all the jokes about "inbreading" and being "retarded" comes out. A New York/Brooklyn accent is look down apon. But if you have money with that accent then all the doors of respect get swung open. ----->Hunter

2003-01-11 23:23:09-05:00 - Re: The cutest proto-slayers... - (someone <yustabe@bellsouth.net>)


On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 22:04:00 +0000, Justine Jones wrote: > In article <pan.2003.01.11.17.30.52.335252@bellsouth.net>, > yustabe@bellsouth.net (someone) wrote: > >> On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 00:27:00 +0000, Justine Jones wrote: >> >> > In article <32f29bdf.0301100222.407b3779@posting.google.com>, >> > buffhunter@my-deja.com (Hunter) wrote: >> > >> >> Darwin Fish <a@a.edu> wrote in message >> >> > news:<a-192F31.20403509012003@netnews.worldnet.att.net>... >> >> > In article <RToT9.628493$P31.239670@rwcrnsc53>, >> >> > "Daryl Barnett" <atthesea@attbi.com> wrote: >> >> ><mucho snipo> >> > Justine (lower middle class >> > >> > PS ever since I saw 'Working Girl' I have thought that it is untrue >> > that Americans don't have a class system. Why did the girl need >> > speech lessons is there's no snobbery about accents? >> >> serious question- what led you to believe US has no class system?? >> >> > I don't know that I particularly believed it or disbelieved it before > seeing the film, just that it seems to be a part of the American > self-image, part of their feeling of superiority to the British. Because > there are no monarchs or titles it's easy to take for granted that there's > no class distinction. well, of course we're superior to the British, but that's another topic ;-). Young Martin Chuzzlewit got a rude awakening when Dickens sent him to America, and things haven't changed that much since mid 1800's. Our class structure isn't institutionalized or formalized as in Merry Old E., and I suppose we're more socially mobile than in traditional British society. Money seems to have been the great leveler here, and the lack thereof the great barrier (as elsewhere I suspect). We elect our monarchs- lifetime SS protection for ex-presidents, for example. Education is a factor (well duh!). Being a Southerner, by the grace of god, I can attest to the lack of snobbery over accents- Not! Let's say we have class awareness in US of A, as opposed to a formal system. And to appease the PC crowd, I'll give passing notice to race, sex, gender-identity, ethnicity, age, height, and other assorted physical attributes as factors. You seem to have clarified class system to mean class distinction- I think a society wuthout class distinction is only possible in fiction, What?

2003-01-11 23:23:09-05:00 - Re: The cutest proto-slayers... - (someone <yustabe@bellsouth.net>)


On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 22:04:00 +0000, Justine Jones wrote: > In article <pan.2003.01.11.17.30.52.335252@bellsouth.net>, > yustabe@bellsouth.net (someone) wrote: > >> On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 00:27:00 +0000, Justine Jones wrote: >> >> > In article <32f29bdf.0301100222.407b3779@posting.google.com>, >> > buffhunter@my-deja.com (Hunter) wrote: >> > >> >> Darwin Fish <a@a.edu> wrote in message >> >> > news:<a-192F31.20403509012003@netnews.worldnet.att.net>... >> >> > In article <RToT9.628493$P31.239670@rwcrnsc53>, >> >> > "Daryl Barnett" <atthesea@attbi.com> wrote: >> >> ><mucho snipo> >> > Justine (lower middle class >> > >> > PS ever since I saw 'Working Girl' I have thought that it is untrue >> > that Americans don't have a class system. Why did the girl need >> > speech lessons is there's no snobbery about accents? >> >> serious question- what led you to believe US has no class system?? >> >> > I don't know that I particularly believed it or disbelieved it before > seeing the film, just that it seems to be a part of the American > self-image, part of their feeling of superiority to the British. Because > there are no monarchs or titles it's easy to take for granted that there's > no class distinction. well, of course we're superior to the British, but that's another topic ;-). Young Martin Chuzzlewit got a rude awakening when Dickens sent him to America, and things haven't changed that much since mid 1800's. Our class structure isn't institutionalized or formalized as in Merry Old E., and I suppose we're more socially mobile than in traditional British society. Money seems to have been the great leveler here, and the lack thereof the great barrier (as elsewhere I suspect). We elect our monarchs- lifetime SS protection for ex-presidents, for example. Education is a factor (well duh!). Being a Southerner, by the grace of god, I can attest to the lack of snobbery over accents- Not! Let's say we have class awareness in US of A, as opposed to a formal system. And to appease the PC crowd, I'll give passing notice to race, sex, gender-identity, ethnicity, age, height, and other assorted physical attributes as factors. You seem to have clarified class system to mean class distinction- I think a society wuthout class distinction is only possible in fiction, What?

2003-01-12 00:29:01-05:00 - Re: The cutest proto-slayers... - (Heisenberg <Heisenberg@Uncertainty.com>)


On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 01:09:23 GMT, John DiFool <jdifool@earthlink.net> wrote: I'd have to go for Kennedy, if that's the Hispanic girl's name. She's fairly hot. Folowed by Rona.

2003-01-12 00:29:01-05:00 - Re: The cutest proto-slayers... - (Heisenberg <Heisenberg@Uncertainty.com>)


On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 01:09:23 GMT, John DiFool <jdifool@earthlink.net> wrote: I'd have to go for Kennedy, if that's the Hispanic girl's name. She's fairly hot. Folowed by Rona.

2003-01-12 06:04:49+00:00 - Re: The cutest proto-slayers... - ("Stimpson J. Cat" <house@next.tuesday>)


On Sun, 12 Jan 2003 00:29:01 -0500, Heisenberg <Heisenberg@Uncertainty.com> wrote: >On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 01:09:23 GMT, John DiFool <jdifool@earthlink.net> >wrote: > >I'd have to go for Kennedy, if that's the Hispanic girl's name. She's >fairly hot. Folowed by Rona. I believe you have a certain amount of inherent uncertainty though, don't you. Stimpson

2003-01-12 06:04:49+00:00 - Re: The cutest proto-slayers... - ("Stimpson J. Cat" <house@next.tuesday>)


On Sun, 12 Jan 2003 00:29:01 -0500, Heisenberg <Heisenberg@Uncertainty.com> wrote: >On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 01:09:23 GMT, John DiFool <jdifool@earthlink.net> >wrote: > >I'd have to go for Kennedy, if that's the Hispanic girl's name. She's >fairly hot. Folowed by Rona. I believe you have a certain amount of inherent uncertainty though, don't you. Stimpson

2003-01-12 12:02:53-05:00 - Re: The cutest proto-slayers... - (Heisenberg <Heisenberg@Uncertainty.com>)


On Sun, 12 Jan 2003 06:04:49 GMT, Stimpson J. Cat <house@next.tuesday> wrote: >On Sun, 12 Jan 2003 00:29:01 -0500, Heisenberg ><Heisenberg@Uncertainty.com> wrote: > >>On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 01:09:23 GMT, John DiFool <jdifool@earthlink.net> >>wrote: >> >>I'd have to go for Kennedy, if that's the Hispanic girl's name. She's >>fairly hot. Folowed by Rona. > >I believe you have a certain amount of inherent uncertainty though, >don't you. It's my principle.

2003-01-12 12:02:53-05:00 - Re: The cutest proto-slayers... - (Heisenberg <Heisenberg@Uncertainty.com>)


On Sun, 12 Jan 2003 06:04:49 GMT, Stimpson J. Cat <house@next.tuesday> wrote: >On Sun, 12 Jan 2003 00:29:01 -0500, Heisenberg ><Heisenberg@Uncertainty.com> wrote: > >>On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 01:09:23 GMT, John DiFool <jdifool@earthlink.net> >>wrote: >> >>I'd have to go for Kennedy, if that's the Hispanic girl's name. She's >>fairly hot. Folowed by Rona. > >I believe you have a certain amount of inherent uncertainty though, >don't you. It's my principle.

2003-01-12 12:22:33+00:00 - Re: The cutest proto-slayers... - (Speaker-to-Customers <greebo@manx.net>)


Hunter wrote: (Snip) > But to answer the question, our class system is much less formalized > and the various lower classes can obtain power much easier than in > England. That is what was part of the American Revolution was about. > The deminition of class difference in the obtaining of power. Don't > get me wrong, it still matters but not as much as it was in England. > You see, in America just getting rich is enough to put you in a > different class, in England money does not matter as much as proper > breeding and titles. For a long time a poor Earl was much more > respected than a highly successful shop keeper. In America 'Old" money > may complain about the neuveo riche (sp?) but after a generation such > talk dies out. > > Our "system" is much more informal and you cannot automatically tell > what station in life he is at by his accent alone as you can > tranditionally in England. That is not to say there is not social > pressure as to what is accepted accents in America. Just look at the > jokes about Eve. Hear a southern accent and all the jokes about > "inbreading" and being "retarded" comes out. A New York/Brooklyn > accent is look down apon. But if you have money with that accent then > all the doors of respect get swung open. You are talking complete and total bollocks. You have a picture of England that is frozen at around 1952. Paul Speaker-to-Customers

2003-01-12 12:22:33+00:00 - Re: The cutest proto-slayers... - (Speaker-to-Customers <greebo@manx.net>)


Hunter wrote: (Snip) > But to answer the question, our class system is much less formalized > and the various lower classes can obtain power much easier than in > England. That is what was part of the American Revolution was about. > The deminition of class difference in the obtaining of power. Don't > get me wrong, it still matters but not as much as it was in England. > You see, in America just getting rich is enough to put you in a > different class, in England money does not matter as much as proper > breeding and titles. For a long time a poor Earl was much more > respected than a highly successful shop keeper. In America 'Old" money > may complain about the neuveo riche (sp?) but after a generation such > talk dies out. > > Our "system" is much more informal and you cannot automatically tell > what station in life he is at by his accent alone as you can > tranditionally in England. That is not to say there is not social > pressure as to what is accepted accents in America. Just look at the > jokes about Eve. Hear a southern accent and all the jokes about > "inbreading" and being "retarded" comes out. A New York/Brooklyn > accent is look down apon. But if you have money with that accent then > all the doors of respect get swung open. You are talking complete and total bollocks. You have a picture of England that is frozen at around 1952. Paul Speaker-to-Customers

2003-01-12 18:39:40+00:00 - Re: The cutest proto-slayers... - (sillyman@famous.com)


On Sun, 12 Jan 2003 12:22:33 -0000, "Speaker-to-Customers" <greebo@manx.net> wrote: >Hunter wrote: >(Snip) > >> But to answer the question, our class system is much less formalized >> and the various lower classes can obtain power much easier than in >> England. That is what was part of the American Revolution was about. >> The deminition of class difference in the obtaining of power. Don't >> get me wrong, it still matters but not as much as it was in England. >> You see, in America just getting rich is enough to put you in a >> different class, in England money does not matter as much as proper >> breeding and titles. For a long time a poor Earl was much more >> respected than a highly successful shop keeper. In America 'Old" money >> may complain about the neuveo riche (sp?) but after a generation such >> talk dies out. >> >> Our "system" is much more informal and you cannot automatically tell >> what station in life he is at by his accent alone as you can >> tranditionally in England. That is not to say there is not social >> pressure as to what is accepted accents in America. Just look at the >> jokes about Eve. Hear a southern accent and all the jokes about >> "inbreading" and being "retarded" comes out. A New York/Brooklyn >> accent is look down apon. But if you have money with that accent then >> all the doors of respect get swung open. > >You are talking complete and total bollocks. You have a picture of England >that is frozen at around 1952. > >Paul Speaker-to-Customers > I don't think he does. It probably is much looser in the old country now than at any other time, but it's still pretty tight. I'm not from England but I've had dealings with English people both from armed forces and the financial field. People are still held back or pushed forward routinely based on the shape of their vowels. I grant you that this is anecdotal, but anecdotal evidence is not without value. This is harder to do in a global economy. Your Chilean customers, for example, really don't care if an incompetent engineer comes from the right part of England, they only care that he's incompetent.

2003-01-12 18:39:40+00:00 - Re: The cutest proto-slayers... - (sillyman@famous.com)


On Sun, 12 Jan 2003 12:22:33 -0000, "Speaker-to-Customers" <greebo@manx.net> wrote: >Hunter wrote: >(Snip) > >> But to answer the question, our class system is much less formalized >> and the various lower classes can obtain power much easier than in >> England. That is what was part of the American Revolution was about. >> The deminition of class difference in the obtaining of power. Don't >> get me wrong, it still matters but not as much as it was in England. >> You see, in America just getting rich is enough to put you in a >> different class, in England money does not matter as much as proper >> breeding and titles. For a long time a poor Earl was much more >> respected than a highly successful shop keeper. In America 'Old" money >> may complain about the neuveo riche (sp?) but after a generation such >> talk dies out. >> >> Our "system" is much more informal and you cannot automatically tell >> what station in life he is at by his accent alone as you can >> tranditionally in England. That is not to say there is not social >> pressure as to what is accepted accents in America. Just look at the >> jokes about Eve. Hear a southern accent and all the jokes about >> "inbreading" and being "retarded" comes out. A New York/Brooklyn >> accent is look down apon. But if you have money with that accent then >> all the doors of respect get swung open. > >You are talking complete and total bollocks. You have a picture of England >that is frozen at around 1952. > >Paul Speaker-to-Customers > I don't think he does. It probably is much looser in the old country now than at any other time, but it's still pretty tight. I'm not from England but I've had dealings with English people both from armed forces and the financial field. People are still held back or pushed forward routinely based on the shape of their vowels. I grant you that this is anecdotal, but anecdotal evidence is not without value. This is harder to do in a global economy. Your Chilean customers, for example, really don't care if an incompetent engineer comes from the right part of England, they only care that he's incompetent.

2003-01-12 21:56:11+00:00 - Re: The cutest proto-slayers... - (schlitzdrinker@aol.comekingdom)


In article <pan.2003.01.11.17.30.52.335252@bellsouth.net>, "someone" <yustabe@bellsouth.net> writes: >> PS ever since I saw 'Working Girl' I have thought that it is untrue that >> Americans don't have a class system. Why did the girl need speech lessons >> is there's no snobbery about accents? > >serious question- what led you to believe US has no class system?? > That's what we're taught in the US, which has no *educational* system. Its class system is thriving, however, and always has. The upper and lower crusts are acutely aware of class distinctions. Members of the middle class tend to interact only with each other so they go through life under the illusion that they're part of a classless society. Your pal, Barney There is plenty of accounting for taste. Barney just has none. - Rev. Cyohtee - O'kohome Ehohatse

2003-01-12 21:56:11+00:00 - Re: The cutest proto-slayers... - (schlitzdrinker@aol.comekingdom)


In article <pan.2003.01.11.17.30.52.335252@bellsouth.net>, "someone" <yustabe@bellsouth.net> writes: >> PS ever since I saw 'Working Girl' I have thought that it is untrue that >> Americans don't have a class system. Why did the girl need speech lessons >> is there's no snobbery about accents? > >serious question- what led you to believe US has no class system?? > That's what we're taught in the US, which has no *educational* system. Its class system is thriving, however, and always has. The upper and lower crusts are acutely aware of class distinctions. Members of the middle class tend to interact only with each other so they go through life under the illusion that they're part of a classless society. Your pal, Barney There is plenty of accounting for taste. Barney just has none. - Rev. Cyohtee - O'kohome Ehohatse

2003-01-15 08:41:35+00:00 - Re: The cutest proto-slayers... - (James Craine <JamesCraine@Hotmail.com>)


Justine Jones wrote: > I don't know that I particularly believed it or disbelieved it before > seeing the film, just that it seems to be a part of the American > self-image, part of their feeling of superiority to the British. Because > there are no monarchs or titles it's easy to take for granted that there's > no class distinction. In England Margaret Thatcher can be criticized for being a grocers daughter. In the US our politicians build the log cabins they were born in. It is not that there is remnant at all. It is that we accept and admire people who move up. People who were born up may be criticized for it. GHW Bush was said to have been born with a silver spoon in his mouth. Some rich people who are proud of an accomplishment get belittled for 'having been born on third base and thinking he hit a triple'.

2003-01-15 08:41:35+00:00 - Re: The cutest proto-slayers... - (James Craine <JamesCraine@Hotmail.com>)


Justine Jones wrote: > I don't know that I particularly believed it or disbelieved it before > seeing the film, just that it seems to be a part of the American > self-image, part of their feeling of superiority to the British. Because > there are no monarchs or titles it's easy to take for granted that there's > no class distinction. In England Margaret Thatcher can be criticized for being a grocers daughter. In the US our politicians build the log cabins they were born in. It is not that there is remnant at all. It is that we accept and admire people who move up. People who were born up may be criticized for it. GHW Bush was said to have been born with a silver spoon in his mouth. Some rich people who are proud of an accomplishment get belittled for 'having been born on third base and thinking he hit a triple'.