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2003-03-21 23:07:38-06:00 - Re: Which debate is more heated? - (Snuggles <postmaster@spamcop.net>)


In article <85Sea.5518$Jf.418268@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>, "JustMe" <whome@nospam.com> wrote: > The War/antiwar debate? > > Or the Willow Gay/Bi debate? > > Both results will be the same, one side will not convince the other. > Each side has their pontifications and justifications. > > And in the end? Each will claim victory. > > > Sad isn't it. What, you want us to argue with logic? What's the fun in that? But to answer your question the Gay/Bi debate had more heat in it, IMHO. The War/Anti-War threads seem to be just going through the motions. I really get the sense that most people, deep down inside, don't really care about the war. Now.... if you have family or friends involved or know someone affected by 9/11 then that's different. But in my small corner of the Midwest its just something interesting on TV. The people are far away, there's no draft and it really does not effect everyday living. Sure, its fun to talk about but beyond that do people really care?

2003-03-21 23:07:38-06:00 - Re: Which debate is more heated? - (Snuggles <postmaster@spamcop.net>)


In article <85Sea.5518$Jf.418268@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>, "JustMe" <whome@nospam.com> wrote: > The War/antiwar debate? > > Or the Willow Gay/Bi debate? > > Both results will be the same, one side will not convince the other. > Each side has their pontifications and justifications. > > And in the end? Each will claim victory. > > > Sad isn't it. What, you want us to argue with logic? What's the fun in that? But to answer your question the Gay/Bi debate had more heat in it, IMHO. The War/Anti-War threads seem to be just going through the motions. I really get the sense that most people, deep down inside, don't really care about the war. Now.... if you have family or friends involved or know someone affected by 9/11 then that's different. But in my small corner of the Midwest its just something interesting on TV. The people are far away, there's no draft and it really does not effect everyday living. Sure, its fun to talk about but beyond that do people really care?

2003-03-22 04:59:48+00:00 - Which debate is more heated? - (JustMe <whome@nospam.com>)


The War/antiwar debate? Or the Willow Gay/Bi debate? Both results will be the same, one side will not convince the other. Each side has their pontifications and justifications. And in the end? Each will claim victory. Sad isn't it.

2003-03-22 04:59:48+00:00 - Which debate is more heated? - (JustMe <whome@nospam.com>)


The War/antiwar debate? Or the Willow Gay/Bi debate? Both results will be the same, one side will not convince the other. Each side has their pontifications and justifications. And in the end? Each will claim victory. Sad isn't it.

2003-03-22 06:18:55+00:00 - Re: Which debate is more heated? - (Growltiger <tyger@never.invalid>)


Previously on alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer, whome@nospam.com wrote in article <85Sea.5518$Jf.418268@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>... > The War/antiwar debate? > > Or the Willow Gay/Bi debate? > > Both results will be the same, one side will not convince the other. > Each side has their pontifications and justifications. > > And in the end? Each will claim victory. > > > Sad isn't it. > > > > > > > <irony> If you are bound and determined to reach a conclusion then maybe you should think outside the box: why don't you rent a cage and promote a deathmatch! </irony> -- Be seeing you, Growltiger

2003-03-22 06:18:55+00:00 - Re: Which debate is more heated? - (Growltiger <tyger@never.invalid>)


Previously on alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer, whome@nospam.com wrote in article <85Sea.5518$Jf.418268@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>... > The War/antiwar debate? > > Or the Willow Gay/Bi debate? > > Both results will be the same, one side will not convince the other. > Each side has their pontifications and justifications. > > And in the end? Each will claim victory. > > > Sad isn't it. > > > > > > > <irony> If you are bound and determined to reach a conclusion then maybe you should think outside the box: why don't you rent a cage and promote a deathmatch! </irony> -- Be seeing you, Growltiger

2003-03-22 09:04:21+00:00 - Re: Which debate is more heated? - (Aethelrede <aethelrede@worldnet.att.net>)


Growltiger wrote in message ... >Previously on alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer, whome@nospam.com wrote in article ><85Sea.5518$Jf.418268@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>... >> The War/antiwar debate? >> >> Or the Willow Gay/Bi debate? >> >> Both results will be the same, one side will not convince the other. >> Each side has their pontifications and justifications. >> >> And in the end? Each will claim victory. >> >> >> Sad isn't it. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ><irony> >If you are bound and determined to reach a conclusion then maybe you >should think outside the box: why don't you rent a cage and promote a >deathmatch! ></irony> Ooh! Bitchin' chick-fight! Will there be a DVD? Will it be naked in jelly, oil or mud? Who cares if it decides anything. Hey! [OT] thought: GWB and Saddam Hussein naked in a big vat of Tex-Mex chilli: first guy out holding the ripped-off head of the other is tha winner and World champeen... It would be cheaper than what is going on, it would kill fewer women and children, and it would prove that Bush has the guts to put his guts where he puts his military.

2003-03-22 09:04:21+00:00 - Re: Which debate is more heated? - (Aethelrede <aethelrede@worldnet.att.net>)


Growltiger wrote in message ... >Previously on alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer, whome@nospam.com wrote in article ><85Sea.5518$Jf.418268@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>... >> The War/antiwar debate? >> >> Or the Willow Gay/Bi debate? >> >> Both results will be the same, one side will not convince the other. >> Each side has their pontifications and justifications. >> >> And in the end? Each will claim victory. >> >> >> Sad isn't it. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ><irony> >If you are bound and determined to reach a conclusion then maybe you >should think outside the box: why don't you rent a cage and promote a >deathmatch! ></irony> Ooh! Bitchin' chick-fight! Will there be a DVD? Will it be naked in jelly, oil or mud? Who cares if it decides anything. Hey! [OT] thought: GWB and Saddam Hussein naked in a big vat of Tex-Mex chilli: first guy out holding the ripped-off head of the other is tha winner and World champeen... It would be cheaper than what is going on, it would kill fewer women and children, and it would prove that Bush has the guts to put his guts where he puts his military.

2003-03-22 10:56:29-08:00 - Re: Which debate is more heated? - (smaug86@yahoo.com)


"JustMe" <whome@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<85Sea.5518$Jf.418268@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>... > The War/antiwar debate? > > Or the Willow Gay/Bi debate? There really is no debate on this one. VampWillow proves that she is bi. :-) > Both results will be the same, one side will not convince the other. > Each side has their pontifications and justifications. > > And in the end? Each will claim victory. > > > Sad isn't it. No. It's been this way for millenia. Smaug69

2003-03-22 10:56:29-08:00 - Re: Which debate is more heated? - (smaug86@yahoo.com)


"JustMe" <whome@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<85Sea.5518$Jf.418268@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>... > The War/antiwar debate? > > Or the Willow Gay/Bi debate? There really is no debate on this one. VampWillow proves that she is bi. :-) > Both results will be the same, one side will not convince the other. > Each side has their pontifications and justifications. > > And in the end? Each will claim victory. > > > Sad isn't it. No. It's been this way for millenia. Smaug69

2003-03-22 11:03:01+00:00 - Re: Which debate is more heated? - (fylmfan@aol.comspam)


>Subject: Which debate is more heated? >From: "JustMe" whome@nospam.com >Date: 3/21/2003 8:59 PM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <85Sea.5518$Jf.418268@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> > >The War/antiwar debate? > >Or the Willow Gay/Bi debate? > In the streets of the world, the war/anti war debate. On this ng, the Willow debate, no question. I think people are trying to behave themselves a bit when discussing the war because it's Real Life. Rose "No man is an island, entire of itself." -- John Donne

2003-03-22 11:03:01+00:00 - Re: Which debate is more heated? - (fylmfan@aol.comspam)


>Subject: Which debate is more heated? >From: "JustMe" whome@nospam.com >Date: 3/21/2003 8:59 PM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <85Sea.5518$Jf.418268@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> > >The War/antiwar debate? > >Or the Willow Gay/Bi debate? > In the streets of the world, the war/anti war debate. On this ng, the Willow debate, no question. I think people are trying to behave themselves a bit when discussing the war because it's Real Life. Rose "No man is an island, entire of itself." -- John Donne

2003-03-22 17:06:09+00:00 - Re: Which debate is more heated? - (Ken <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"Aethelrede" <aethelrede@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:pGVea.18653$ja4.1267352@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > > Growltiger wrote in message ... > >Previously on alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer, whome@nospam.com wrote in article > ><85Sea.5518$Jf.418268@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>... > >> The War/antiwar debate? > >> > >> Or the Willow Gay/Bi debate? > >> > >> Both results will be the same, one side will not convince the other. > >> Each side has their pontifications and justifications. > >> > >> And in the end? Each will claim victory. > >> > >> > >> Sad isn't it. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > ><irony> > >If you are bound and determined to reach a conclusion then maybe you > >should think outside the box: why don't you rent a cage and promote a > >deathmatch! > ></irony> > > Ooh! Bitchin' chick-fight! Will there be a DVD? > Will it be naked in jelly, oil or mud? > Who cares if it decides anything. > Hey! [OT] thought: GWB and Saddam Hussein naked in a big vat of > Tex-Mex chilli: first guy out holding the ripped-off head of the other is > tha winner and World champeen... > It would be cheaper than what is going on, it would kill fewer women and > children, and it would prove that Bush has the guts to put his guts where he > puts his military. > Well Saddam definitely has the reach and has grown up in a tough environment, after a decade of being absolute dictator, he could be soft, meanwhile Bush is relatively young, regularly jogs and has survived a early life of ... partying ... rather hard. Plus Bush has often underestimated, by the media, pundits, Al Gore, Ann Richards, et. al. -- Ken from Chicago -- Ken from Chicago

2003-03-22 17:06:09+00:00 - Re: Which debate is more heated? - (Ken <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"Aethelrede" <aethelrede@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:pGVea.18653$ja4.1267352@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > > Growltiger wrote in message ... > >Previously on alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer, whome@nospam.com wrote in article > ><85Sea.5518$Jf.418268@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>... > >> The War/antiwar debate? > >> > >> Or the Willow Gay/Bi debate? > >> > >> Both results will be the same, one side will not convince the other. > >> Each side has their pontifications and justifications. > >> > >> And in the end? Each will claim victory. > >> > >> > >> Sad isn't it. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > ><irony> > >If you are bound and determined to reach a conclusion then maybe you > >should think outside the box: why don't you rent a cage and promote a > >deathmatch! > ></irony> > > Ooh! Bitchin' chick-fight! Will there be a DVD? > Will it be naked in jelly, oil or mud? > Who cares if it decides anything. > Hey! [OT] thought: GWB and Saddam Hussein naked in a big vat of > Tex-Mex chilli: first guy out holding the ripped-off head of the other is > tha winner and World champeen... > It would be cheaper than what is going on, it would kill fewer women and > children, and it would prove that Bush has the guts to put his guts where he > puts his military. > Well Saddam definitely has the reach and has grown up in a tough environment, after a decade of being absolute dictator, he could be soft, meanwhile Bush is relatively young, regularly jogs and has survived a early life of ... partying ... rather hard. Plus Bush has often underestimated, by the media, pundits, Al Gore, Ann Richards, et. al. -- Ken from Chicago -- Ken from Chicago

2003-03-22 17:10:14+00:00 - Re: Which debate is more heated? - (Ken <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"Rose" <fylmfan@aol.comspam> wrote in message news:20030322060301.22863.00000208@mb-ca.aol.com... > >Subject: Which debate is more heated? > >From: "JustMe" whome@nospam.com > >Date: 3/21/2003 8:59 PM Pacific Standard Time > >Message-id: <85Sea.5518$Jf.418268@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> > > > >The War/antiwar debate? > > > >Or the Willow Gay/Bi debate? > > > > In the streets of the world, the war/anti war debate. > > On this ng, the Willow debate, no question. I think people are trying to behave > themselves a bit when discussing the war because it's Real Life. > > > > Rose > "No man is an island, entire of itself." -- John Donne Ah, but that's mostly since Thursday and until it kinda ''plateaus''. Comparing the RELATIVE passions of the debatants relative to Real Life vs News Group would seem the only ''fair'' way of considering the question. -- Ken from Chicago

2003-03-22 17:10:14+00:00 - Re: Which debate is more heated? - (Ken <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"Rose" <fylmfan@aol.comspam> wrote in message news:20030322060301.22863.00000208@mb-ca.aol.com... > >Subject: Which debate is more heated? > >From: "JustMe" whome@nospam.com > >Date: 3/21/2003 8:59 PM Pacific Standard Time > >Message-id: <85Sea.5518$Jf.418268@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> > > > >The War/antiwar debate? > > > >Or the Willow Gay/Bi debate? > > > > In the streets of the world, the war/anti war debate. > > On this ng, the Willow debate, no question. I think people are trying to behave > themselves a bit when discussing the war because it's Real Life. > > > > Rose > "No man is an island, entire of itself." -- John Donne Ah, but that's mostly since Thursday and until it kinda ''plateaus''. Comparing the RELATIVE passions of the debatants relative to Real Life vs News Group would seem the only ''fair'' way of considering the question. -- Ken from Chicago

2003-03-22 21:22:38+00:00 - Re: Which debate is more heated? - (fylmfan@aol.comspam)


>Subject: Re: Which debate is more heated? >From: Snuggles postmaster@spamcop.net >Date: 3/21/2003 9:07 PM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <postmaster-9BC454.23073821032003@husk.cso.niu.edu> >Sure, its fun to talk about but beyond that do people really care? > > Yes. I know I sure do, as do people I live with and work with. Rose "No man is an island, entire of itself." -- John Donne

2003-03-22 21:22:38+00:00 - Re: Which debate is more heated? - (fylmfan@aol.comspam)


>Subject: Re: Which debate is more heated? >From: Snuggles postmaster@spamcop.net >Date: 3/21/2003 9:07 PM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <postmaster-9BC454.23073821032003@husk.cso.niu.edu> >Sure, its fun to talk about but beyond that do people really care? > > Yes. I know I sure do, as do people I live with and work with. Rose "No man is an island, entire of itself." -- John Donne

2003-03-23 15:01:14+10:30 - Re: Which debate is more heated? - (Elfbard <elfbard@iprimus.com.au>)


>> Or the Willow Gay/Bi debate? > >There really is no debate on this one. VampWillow proves that she is bi. :-) True, but Lisa and the kitties refuse to see that ;) And yes, that was a blatant troll ;p >> Sad isn't it. > >No. It's been this way for millenia. [Singing] aaand this waaay it will remain/ till the daaay when all are one! hehe sorry, got Winamp back up and running ^__^

2003-03-23 15:01:14+10:30 - Re: Which debate is more heated? - (Elfbard <elfbard@iprimus.com.au>)


>> Or the Willow Gay/Bi debate? > >There really is no debate on this one. VampWillow proves that she is bi. :-) True, but Lisa and the kitties refuse to see that ;) And yes, that was a blatant troll ;p >> Sad isn't it. > >No. It's been this way for millenia. [Singing] aaand this waaay it will remain/ till the daaay when all are one! hehe sorry, got Winamp back up and running ^__^

2003-03-23 23:04:20+00:00 - Re: Which debate is more heated? - (Charles Phillips <Cwrphillips@btopenworld.com>)


"Ken" <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:5K0fa.3119$U96.891510@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com... > > "Aethelrede" <aethelrede@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message > news:pGVea.18653$ja4.1267352@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > > > > > > Ooh! Bitchin' chick-fight! Will there be a DVD? > > Will it be naked in jelly, oil or mud? > > Who cares if it decides anything. > > Hey! [OT] thought: GWB and Saddam Hussein naked in a big vat > of > > Tex-Mex chilli: first guy out holding the ripped-off head of the other is > > tha winner and World champeen... > > It would be cheaper than what is going on, it would kill fewer women > and > > children, and it would prove that Bush has the guts to put his guts where > he > > puts his military. > > > > Well Saddam definitely has the reach and has grown up in a tough > environment, after a decade of being absolute dictator, he could be soft, > meanwhile Bush is relatively young, regularly jogs and has survived a early > life of ... partying ... rather hard. Plus Bush has often underestimated, by > the media, pundits, Al Gore, Ann Richards, et. al. > It would never work, Saddam would send one of his doubles.

2003-03-23 23:04:20+00:00 - Re: Which debate is more heated? - (Charles Phillips <Cwrphillips@btopenworld.com>)


"Ken" <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:5K0fa.3119$U96.891510@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com... > > "Aethelrede" <aethelrede@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message > news:pGVea.18653$ja4.1267352@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > > > > > > Ooh! Bitchin' chick-fight! Will there be a DVD? > > Will it be naked in jelly, oil or mud? > > Who cares if it decides anything. > > Hey! [OT] thought: GWB and Saddam Hussein naked in a big vat > of > > Tex-Mex chilli: first guy out holding the ripped-off head of the other is > > tha winner and World champeen... > > It would be cheaper than what is going on, it would kill fewer women > and > > children, and it would prove that Bush has the guts to put his guts where > he > > puts his military. > > > > Well Saddam definitely has the reach and has grown up in a tough > environment, after a decade of being absolute dictator, he could be soft, > meanwhile Bush is relatively young, regularly jogs and has survived a early > life of ... partying ... rather hard. Plus Bush has often underestimated, by > the media, pundits, Al Gore, Ann Richards, et. al. > It would never work, Saddam would send one of his doubles.

2003-03-24 01:42:32+00:00 - Re: Which debate is more heated? - (Aethelrede <aethelrede@worldnet.att.net>)


Charles Phillips wrote in message ... > >"Ken" <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote in message >news:5K0fa.3119$U96.891510@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com... >> >> "Aethelrede" <aethelrede@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message >> news:pGVea.18653$ja4.1267352@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... >> > >> > >> > Ooh! Bitchin' chick-fight! Will there be a DVD? >> > Will it be naked in jelly, oil or mud? >> > Who cares if it decides anything. >> > Hey! [OT] thought: GWB and Saddam Hussein naked in a big vat >> of >> > Tex-Mex chilli: first guy out holding the ripped-off head of the other >is >> > tha winner and World champeen... >> > It would be cheaper than what is going on, it would kill fewer women >> and >> > children, and it would prove that Bush has the guts to put his guts >where >> he >> > puts his military. >> > >> >> Well Saddam definitely has the reach and has grown up in a tough >> environment, after a decade of being absolute dictator, he could be soft, >> meanwhile Bush is relatively young, regularly jogs and has survived a >early >> life of ... partying ... rather hard. Plus Bush has often underestimated, >by >> the media, pundits, Al Gore, Ann Richards, et. al. >> >It would never work, Saddam would send one of his doubles. Bush would send smart bombs, but they'd hit Iran.

2003-03-24 01:42:32+00:00 - Re: Which debate is more heated? - (Aethelrede <aethelrede@worldnet.att.net>)


Charles Phillips wrote in message ... > >"Ken" <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote in message >news:5K0fa.3119$U96.891510@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com... >> >> "Aethelrede" <aethelrede@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message >> news:pGVea.18653$ja4.1267352@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... >> > >> > >> > Ooh! Bitchin' chick-fight! Will there be a DVD? >> > Will it be naked in jelly, oil or mud? >> > Who cares if it decides anything. >> > Hey! [OT] thought: GWB and Saddam Hussein naked in a big vat >> of >> > Tex-Mex chilli: first guy out holding the ripped-off head of the other >is >> > tha winner and World champeen... >> > It would be cheaper than what is going on, it would kill fewer women >> and >> > children, and it would prove that Bush has the guts to put his guts >where >> he >> > puts his military. >> > >> >> Well Saddam definitely has the reach and has grown up in a tough >> environment, after a decade of being absolute dictator, he could be soft, >> meanwhile Bush is relatively young, regularly jogs and has survived a >early >> life of ... partying ... rather hard. Plus Bush has often underestimated, >by >> the media, pundits, Al Gore, Ann Richards, et. al. >> >It would never work, Saddam would send one of his doubles. Bush would send smart bombs, but they'd hit Iran.

2003-03-24 06:27:37-08:00 - Re: Which debate is more heated? - (wallyrosenberg@hotmail.com)


"JustMe" <whome@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<85Sea.5518$Jf.418268@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>... > The War/antiwar debate? > > Or the Willow Gay/Bi debate? > > Both results will be the same, one side will not convince the other. > Each side has their pontifications and justifications. > > And in the end? Each will claim victory. > > > Sad isn't it. I'd like to warn against reheating debates. It can cause mood poisoning.

2003-03-24 06:27:37-08:00 - Re: Which debate is more heated? - (wallyrosenberg@hotmail.com)


"JustMe" <whome@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<85Sea.5518$Jf.418268@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>... > The War/antiwar debate? > > Or the Willow Gay/Bi debate? > > Both results will be the same, one side will not convince the other. > Each side has their pontifications and justifications. > > And in the end? Each will claim victory. > > > Sad isn't it. I'd like to warn against reheating debates. It can cause mood poisoning.

2003-03-24 12:36:22+00:00 - Re: Which debate is more heated? - (Ken <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"Aethelrede" <aethelrede@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:cotfa.21425$ja4.1466489@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > > Charles Phillips wrote in message ... > > > >"Ken" <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote in message > >news:5K0fa.3119$U96.891510@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com... > >> > >> "Aethelrede" <aethelrede@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message > >> news:pGVea.18653$ja4.1267352@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > >> > > >> > > >> > Ooh! Bitchin' chick-fight! Will there be a DVD? > >> > Will it be naked in jelly, oil or mud? > >> > Who cares if it decides anything. > >> > Hey! [OT] thought: GWB and Saddam Hussein naked in a big > vat > >> of > >> > Tex-Mex chilli: first guy out holding the ripped-off head of the other > >is > >> > tha winner and World champeen... > >> > It would be cheaper than what is going on, it would kill fewer > women > >> and > >> > children, and it would prove that Bush has the guts to put his guts > >where > >> he > >> > puts his military. > >> > > >> > >> Well Saddam definitely has the reach and has grown up in a tough > >> environment, after a decade of being absolute dictator, he could be soft, > >> meanwhile Bush is relatively young, regularly jogs and has survived a > >early > >> life of ... partying ... rather hard. Plus Bush has often underestimated, > >by > >> the media, pundits, Al Gore, Ann Richards, et. al. > >> > >It would never work, Saddam would send one of his doubles. > > Bush would send smart bombs, but they'd hit Iran. Bombs have already accidentally hit Iran and British plane whose friend / foe transponder had malfunctioned. -- Ken from Chicago

2003-03-24 12:36:22+00:00 - Re: Which debate is more heated? - (Ken <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"Aethelrede" <aethelrede@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:cotfa.21425$ja4.1466489@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > > Charles Phillips wrote in message ... > > > >"Ken" <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote in message > >news:5K0fa.3119$U96.891510@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com... > >> > >> "Aethelrede" <aethelrede@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message > >> news:pGVea.18653$ja4.1267352@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > >> > > >> > > >> > Ooh! Bitchin' chick-fight! Will there be a DVD? > >> > Will it be naked in jelly, oil or mud? > >> > Who cares if it decides anything. > >> > Hey! [OT] thought: GWB and Saddam Hussein naked in a big > vat > >> of > >> > Tex-Mex chilli: first guy out holding the ripped-off head of the other > >is > >> > tha winner and World champeen... > >> > It would be cheaper than what is going on, it would kill fewer > women > >> and > >> > children, and it would prove that Bush has the guts to put his guts > >where > >> he > >> > puts his military. > >> > > >> > >> Well Saddam definitely has the reach and has grown up in a tough > >> environment, after a decade of being absolute dictator, he could be soft, > >> meanwhile Bush is relatively young, regularly jogs and has survived a > >early > >> life of ... partying ... rather hard. Plus Bush has often underestimated, > >by > >> the media, pundits, Al Gore, Ann Richards, et. al. > >> > >It would never work, Saddam would send one of his doubles. > > Bush would send smart bombs, but they'd hit Iran. Bombs have already accidentally hit Iran and British plane whose friend / foe transponder had malfunctioned. -- Ken from Chicago

2003-03-24 12:37:26+00:00 - Re: Which debate is more heated? - (Ken <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"Elfbard" <elfbard@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message news:81eq7vs6fdicei3gdbtlobqfnt23e98jm8@4ax.com... > > >> Or the Willow Gay/Bi debate? > > > >There really is no debate on this one. VampWillow proves that she is bi. :-) > > True, but Lisa and the kitties refuse to see that ;) > > And yes, that was a blatant troll ;p > > >> Sad isn't it. > > > >No. It's been this way for millenia. > > [Singing] aaand this waaay it will remain/ till the daaay when all are > one! > > hehe sorry, got Winamp back up and running ^__^ I would think Xander, Oz, Tara and Kennedy prove she's bi. -- Ken from Chicago

2003-03-24 12:37:26+00:00 - Re: Which debate is more heated? - (Ken <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"Elfbard" <elfbard@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message news:81eq7vs6fdicei3gdbtlobqfnt23e98jm8@4ax.com... > > >> Or the Willow Gay/Bi debate? > > > >There really is no debate on this one. VampWillow proves that she is bi. :-) > > True, but Lisa and the kitties refuse to see that ;) > > And yes, that was a blatant troll ;p > > >> Sad isn't it. > > > >No. It's been this way for millenia. > > [Singing] aaand this waaay it will remain/ till the daaay when all are > one! > > hehe sorry, got Winamp back up and running ^__^ I would think Xander, Oz, Tara and Kennedy prove she's bi. -- Ken from Chicago

2003-03-25 00:48:21+00:00 - Re: Which debate is more heated? - (Aethelrede <aethelrede@worldnet.att.net>)


Ken wrote in message ... > >"Aethelrede" <aethelrede@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message >news:cotfa.21425$ja4.1466489@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... >> >> Charles Phillips wrote in message ... >> > >> >"Ken" <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote in message >> >news:5K0fa.3119$U96.891510@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com... >> >> >> >> "Aethelrede" <aethelrede@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message >> >> news:pGVea.18653$ja4.1267352@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Ooh! Bitchin' chick-fight! Will there be a DVD? >> >> > Will it be naked in jelly, oil or mud? >> >> > Who cares if it decides anything. >> >> > Hey! [OT] thought: GWB and Saddam Hussein naked in a big >> vat >> >> of >> >> > Tex-Mex chilli: first guy out holding the ripped-off head of the >other >> >is >> >> > tha winner and World champeen... >> >> > It would be cheaper than what is going on, it would kill fewer >> women >> >> and >> >> > children, and it would prove that Bush has the guts to put his guts >> >where >> >> he >> >> > puts his military. >> >> > >> >> >> >> Well Saddam definitely has the reach and has grown up in a tough >> >> environment, after a decade of being absolute dictator, he could be >soft, >> >> meanwhile Bush is relatively young, regularly jogs and has survived a >> >early >> >> life of ... partying ... rather hard. Plus Bush has often >underestimated, >> >by >> >> the media, pundits, Al Gore, Ann Richards, et. al. >> >> >> >It would never work, Saddam would send one of his doubles. >> >> Bush would send smart bombs, but they'd hit Iran. > >Bombs have already accidentally hit Iran and British plane whose friend / >foe transponder had malfunctioned. The what failed? I haven't heard that there were any being used. The program started after the first Gulf war was cancelled because it cost too much. I heard on CNN a week ago US troops were putting reflecting tape on vehicle tops to label them as US. So far patriot missiles have hit Iran and Turkey, plus they've managed to hit a British plane, killing 2 pilots, and have killed a British reporter. Well, it's so hard to figure what happened from CNNs constant babble, but I'm pretty sure the UK jet and Turkey were patriot hits: Iran and the reporter may have been some other expensive smart weapon. Somehow all this hype about precision bombing stuff is getting boring: reports from the teams that cleaned up unexploded bombs in Afghanistan found that with one type of bomb the failure rate was more than twice what the US claimed, and they were finding live bombs up to half a mile from "precision" targets. And now we're finding that the new improved infallible smart munitions have already hit two neighbouring countries in error. Bloody hell: Iraq is a big hard to miss place: keep inside the lines, guys. Those things cost the taxpayers millions each.

2003-03-25 00:48:21+00:00 - Re: Which debate is more heated? - (Aethelrede <aethelrede@worldnet.att.net>)


Ken wrote in message ... > >"Aethelrede" <aethelrede@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message >news:cotfa.21425$ja4.1466489@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... >> >> Charles Phillips wrote in message ... >> > >> >"Ken" <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote in message >> >news:5K0fa.3119$U96.891510@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com... >> >> >> >> "Aethelrede" <aethelrede@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message >> >> news:pGVea.18653$ja4.1267352@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Ooh! Bitchin' chick-fight! Will there be a DVD? >> >> > Will it be naked in jelly, oil or mud? >> >> > Who cares if it decides anything. >> >> > Hey! [OT] thought: GWB and Saddam Hussein naked in a big >> vat >> >> of >> >> > Tex-Mex chilli: first guy out holding the ripped-off head of the >other >> >is >> >> > tha winner and World champeen... >> >> > It would be cheaper than what is going on, it would kill fewer >> women >> >> and >> >> > children, and it would prove that Bush has the guts to put his guts >> >where >> >> he >> >> > puts his military. >> >> > >> >> >> >> Well Saddam definitely has the reach and has grown up in a tough >> >> environment, after a decade of being absolute dictator, he could be >soft, >> >> meanwhile Bush is relatively young, regularly jogs and has survived a >> >early >> >> life of ... partying ... rather hard. Plus Bush has often >underestimated, >> >by >> >> the media, pundits, Al Gore, Ann Richards, et. al. >> >> >> >It would never work, Saddam would send one of his doubles. >> >> Bush would send smart bombs, but they'd hit Iran. > >Bombs have already accidentally hit Iran and British plane whose friend / >foe transponder had malfunctioned. The what failed? I haven't heard that there were any being used. The program started after the first Gulf war was cancelled because it cost too much. I heard on CNN a week ago US troops were putting reflecting tape on vehicle tops to label them as US. So far patriot missiles have hit Iran and Turkey, plus they've managed to hit a British plane, killing 2 pilots, and have killed a British reporter. Well, it's so hard to figure what happened from CNNs constant babble, but I'm pretty sure the UK jet and Turkey were patriot hits: Iran and the reporter may have been some other expensive smart weapon. Somehow all this hype about precision bombing stuff is getting boring: reports from the teams that cleaned up unexploded bombs in Afghanistan found that with one type of bomb the failure rate was more than twice what the US claimed, and they were finding live bombs up to half a mile from "precision" targets. And now we're finding that the new improved infallible smart munitions have already hit two neighbouring countries in error. Bloody hell: Iraq is a big hard to miss place: keep inside the lines, guys. Those things cost the taxpayers millions each.

2003-03-25 10:28:05+00:00 - Re: Which debate is more heated? - (Ken <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"Aethelrede" <aethelrede@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:pHNfa.27648$S%3.1614646@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > > Ken wrote in message ... > > > >"Aethelrede" <aethelrede@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message > >news:cotfa.21425$ja4.1466489@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > >> > >> Charles Phillips wrote in message ... > >> > > >> >"Ken" <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote in message > >> >news:5K0fa.3119$U96.891510@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com... > >> >> > >> >> "Aethelrede" <aethelrede@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message > >> >> news:pGVea.18653$ja4.1267352@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Ooh! Bitchin' chick-fight! Will there be a DVD? > >> >> > Will it be naked in jelly, oil or mud? > >> >> > Who cares if it decides anything. > >> >> > Hey! [OT] thought: GWB and Saddam Hussein naked in a big > >> vat > >> >> of > >> >> > Tex-Mex chilli: first guy out holding the ripped-off head of the > >other > >> >is > >> >> > tha winner and World champeen... > >> >> > It would be cheaper than what is going on, it would kill fewer > >> women > >> >> and > >> >> > children, and it would prove that Bush has the guts to put his guts > >> >where > >> >> he > >> >> > puts his military. > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> Well Saddam definitely has the reach and has grown up in a tough > >> >> environment, after a decade of being absolute dictator, he could be > >soft, > >> >> meanwhile Bush is relatively young, regularly jogs and has survived a > >> >early > >> >> life of ... partying ... rather hard. Plus Bush has often > >underestimated, > >> >by > >> >> the media, pundits, Al Gore, Ann Richards, et. al. > >> >> > >> >It would never work, Saddam would send one of his doubles. > >> > >> Bush would send smart bombs, but they'd hit Iran. > > > >Bombs have already accidentally hit Iran and British plane whose friend / > >foe transponder had malfunctioned. > > The what failed? I haven't heard that there were any being used. The > program started after the first Gulf war was cancelled because it cost too > much. I heard on CNN a week ago US troops were putting reflecting tape on > vehicle tops to label them as US. Friend / foe transponders are common for combat. They are like the transponders commercial jets use to identify themselves to air traffic controllers, except in combat they also identify if one is friend or foe--or are supposed to. > So far patriot missiles have hit Iran and Turkey, plus they've managed > to hit a British plane, killing 2 pilots, and have killed a British > reporter. Well, it's so hard to figure what happened from CNNs constant > babble, but I'm pretty sure the UK jet and Turkey were patriot hits: Iran > and the reporter may have been some other expensive smart weapon. > Somehow all this hype about precision bombing stuff is getting boring: > reports from the teams that cleaned up unexploded bombs in Afghanistan found > that with one type of bomb the failure rate was more than twice what the US > claimed, and they were finding live bombs up to half a mile from "precision" > targets. > And now we're finding that the new improved infallible smart munitions > have already hit two neighbouring countries in error. Bloody hell: Iraq is > a big hard to miss place: keep inside the lines, guys. Those things cost > the taxpayers millions each. Nothing made by human beings is ever going to be perfect. A dozen or two misfires out of thousands fired if a fairly spectacular accuracy rate. Even so, it's war. Accidents will happen. It's part of the reason why political leaders are reluctant to start them. I agree the continual media coverage does tend to drone on and on. I don't recall current military spokesfolk claiming the weapons are ''infallible''--especially considering how many soldiers are killed in peacetime due to accident. As far as reporters, pundits, experts and politicians, well, I wouldn't put it pass them to ... exaggerate ... especially during the initial reporting of Shock and Awe last Friday, getting caught up in the moment, especially about how missiles were attack military targets while leaving the utilities, notably the electric power, intact. Iraq is roughly the size of California, but when you're travelling hundreds of miles an hour, an error of a few degrees can make a major difference. Plus reports are coming to light of Russia selling GPS jamming devices to Iraq which could also cause missiles using GPS satellites for navigation to veer radically off course. -- Ken from Chicago

2003-03-25 10:28:05+00:00 - Re: Which debate is more heated? - (Ken <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net>)


"Aethelrede" <aethelrede@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:pHNfa.27648$S%3.1614646@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > > Ken wrote in message ... > > > >"Aethelrede" <aethelrede@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message > >news:cotfa.21425$ja4.1466489@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > >> > >> Charles Phillips wrote in message ... > >> > > >> >"Ken" <kwicker_erase_this_part@ameritech.net> wrote in message > >> >news:5K0fa.3119$U96.891510@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com... > >> >> > >> >> "Aethelrede" <aethelrede@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message > >> >> news:pGVea.18653$ja4.1267352@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Ooh! Bitchin' chick-fight! Will there be a DVD? > >> >> > Will it be naked in jelly, oil or mud? > >> >> > Who cares if it decides anything. > >> >> > Hey! [OT] thought: GWB and Saddam Hussein naked in a big > >> vat > >> >> of > >> >> > Tex-Mex chilli: first guy out holding the ripped-off head of the > >other > >> >is > >> >> > tha winner and World champeen... > >> >> > It would be cheaper than what is going on, it would kill fewer > >> women > >> >> and > >> >> > children, and it would prove that Bush has the guts to put his guts > >> >where > >> >> he > >> >> > puts his military. > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> Well Saddam definitely has the reach and has grown up in a tough > >> >> environment, after a decade of being absolute dictator, he could be > >soft, > >> >> meanwhile Bush is relatively young, regularly jogs and has survived a > >> >early > >> >> life of ... partying ... rather hard. Plus Bush has often > >underestimated, > >> >by > >> >> the media, pundits, Al Gore, Ann Richards, et. al. > >> >> > >> >It would never work, Saddam would send one of his doubles. > >> > >> Bush would send smart bombs, but they'd hit Iran. > > > >Bombs have already accidentally hit Iran and British plane whose friend / > >foe transponder had malfunctioned. > > The what failed? I haven't heard that there were any being used. The > program started after the first Gulf war was cancelled because it cost too > much. I heard on CNN a week ago US troops were putting reflecting tape on > vehicle tops to label them as US. Friend / foe transponders are common for combat. They are like the transponders commercial jets use to identify themselves to air traffic controllers, except in combat they also identify if one is friend or foe--or are supposed to. > So far patriot missiles have hit Iran and Turkey, plus they've managed > to hit a British plane, killing 2 pilots, and have killed a British > reporter. Well, it's so hard to figure what happened from CNNs constant > babble, but I'm pretty sure the UK jet and Turkey were patriot hits: Iran > and the reporter may have been some other expensive smart weapon. > Somehow all this hype about precision bombing stuff is getting boring: > reports from the teams that cleaned up unexploded bombs in Afghanistan found > that with one type of bomb the failure rate was more than twice what the US > claimed, and they were finding live bombs up to half a mile from "precision" > targets. > And now we're finding that the new improved infallible smart munitions > have already hit two neighbouring countries in error. Bloody hell: Iraq is > a big hard to miss place: keep inside the lines, guys. Those things cost > the taxpayers millions each. Nothing made by human beings is ever going to be perfect. A dozen or two misfires out of thousands fired if a fairly spectacular accuracy rate. Even so, it's war. Accidents will happen. It's part of the reason why political leaders are reluctant to start them. I agree the continual media coverage does tend to drone on and on. I don't recall current military spokesfolk claiming the weapons are ''infallible''--especially considering how many soldiers are killed in peacetime due to accident. As far as reporters, pundits, experts and politicians, well, I wouldn't put it pass them to ... exaggerate ... especially during the initial reporting of Shock and Awe last Friday, getting caught up in the moment, especially about how missiles were attack military targets while leaving the utilities, notably the electric power, intact. Iraq is roughly the size of California, but when you're travelling hundreds of miles an hour, an error of a few degrees can make a major difference. Plus reports are coming to light of Russia selling GPS jamming devices to Iraq which could also cause missiles using GPS satellites for navigation to veer radically off course. -- Ken from Chicago