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2003-01-29 17:25:16-08:00 - Re: Is Spike the Manchurian Candidate? - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


Alberich wrote: > > Somebody posted the possibility that all that torture that Spike > underwent had a purpose besides punishing Spike for disobeying the > First. It's possible Spike has been "brainwashed" at a subconscious > level and there is some kind of trigger that causes Spike to do > something horrible to Buffy at some point? Has anybody commented on this > idea? Yes, I posted this thread just two days ago: Subject: It's nice that Buffy trusts Spike, but Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 09:53:04 -0800 From: Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> Why does she trust the First not to use Spike? Obviously, under Morphy's influence Spike is a killer, and neither a chip or a soul makes a difference. It is completely irrational of Buffy to allow Spike to roam free and unsupervised. Especially when she later admits that there are Bringers all over town, clearly still out to kill SITs. If the Bringers are out looking for SITs, as they were with Amanda, how can Buffy assume that Morphy "Probably" wouldn't be messing with Spike. Stupid statement It would seem that Morphy's next best plan would be to start working the two operatives it has inside la maison des Buffy, yet both Spike and Andrew are allowed to roam free and unsupervised.

2003-01-29 17:25:16-08:00 - Re: Is Spike the Manchurian Candidate? - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


Alberich wrote: > > Somebody posted the possibility that all that torture that Spike > underwent had a purpose besides punishing Spike for disobeying the > First. It's possible Spike has been "brainwashed" at a subconscious > level and there is some kind of trigger that causes Spike to do > something horrible to Buffy at some point? Has anybody commented on this > idea? Yes, I posted this thread just two days ago: Subject: It's nice that Buffy trusts Spike, but Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 09:53:04 -0800 From: Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> Why does she trust the First not to use Spike? Obviously, under Morphy's influence Spike is a killer, and neither a chip or a soul makes a difference. It is completely irrational of Buffy to allow Spike to roam free and unsupervised. Especially when she later admits that there are Bringers all over town, clearly still out to kill SITs. If the Bringers are out looking for SITs, as they were with Amanda, how can Buffy assume that Morphy "Probably" wouldn't be messing with Spike. Stupid statement It would seem that Morphy's next best plan would be to start working the two operatives it has inside la maison des Buffy, yet both Spike and Andrew are allowed to roam free and unsupervised.

2003-01-29 19:09:14-06:00 - Is Spike the Manchurian Candidate? - (Alberich <Alberich@somewhere.com>)


Somebody posted the possibility that all that torture that Spike underwent had a purpose besides punishing Spike for disobeying the First. It's possible Spike has been "brainwashed" at a subconscious level and there is some kind of trigger that causes Spike to do something horrible to Buffy at some point? Has anybody commented on this idea? And is this the way it's headed down to the series finale?

2003-01-29 19:09:14-06:00 - Is Spike the Manchurian Candidate? - (Alberich <Alberich@somewhere.com>)


Somebody posted the possibility that all that torture that Spike underwent had a purpose besides punishing Spike for disobeying the First. It's possible Spike has been "brainwashed" at a subconscious level and there is some kind of trigger that causes Spike to do something horrible to Buffy at some point? Has anybody commented on this idea? And is this the way it's headed down to the series finale?

2003-01-29 20:29:53-05:00 - Re: Is Spike the Manchurian Candidate? - (KenM47 <KenM47@ix.netcom.com>)


Alberich <Alberich@somewhere.com> wrote: >Somebody posted the possibility that all that torture that Spike >underwent had a purpose besides punishing Spike for disobeying the >First. It's possible Spike has been "brainwashed" at a subconscious >level and there is some kind of trigger that causes Spike to do >something horrible to Buffy at some point? Has anybody commented on this >idea? And is this the way it's headed down to the series finale? This is kind of like confusing Dr. Frankenstein and the Monster. The Manchurian Candidate was the stepfather who was to be the vice-presidential nominee elevated to presidential nominee after the assassination. Lawrence Harvey's character was the brainwashed stepson helping to put Manchuria's presidential candidate in position. Ken

2003-01-29 20:29:53-05:00 - Re: Is Spike the Manchurian Candidate? - (KenM47 <KenM47@ix.netcom.com>)


Alberich <Alberich@somewhere.com> wrote: >Somebody posted the possibility that all that torture that Spike >underwent had a purpose besides punishing Spike for disobeying the >First. It's possible Spike has been "brainwashed" at a subconscious >level and there is some kind of trigger that causes Spike to do >something horrible to Buffy at some point? Has anybody commented on this >idea? And is this the way it's headed down to the series finale? This is kind of like confusing Dr. Frankenstein and the Monster. The Manchurian Candidate was the stepfather who was to be the vice-presidential nominee elevated to presidential nominee after the assassination. Lawrence Harvey's character was the brainwashed stepson helping to put Manchuria's presidential candidate in position. Ken

2003-01-29 21:00:22-05:00 - Re: Is Spike the Manchurian Candidate? - (Tyler Sherkin <t_sherkin@hotmail.com>)


Well, it actually has alreayd ocurrred. The song? The "trigger," that exact word was used. Buffy :"trusts" SPike but the episodes have made it explicit that EVERYONE (even the Scooby Gang) is aware that the master might have an in on Spike. "KenM47" <KenM47@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:trvg3vsnpdlq0gp0t24q03iqe3hbeb3vpu@4ax.com... > Alberich <Alberich@somewhere.com> wrote: > > >Somebody posted the possibility that all that torture that Spike > >underwent had a purpose besides punishing Spike for disobeying the > >First. It's possible Spike has been "brainwashed" at a subconscious > >level and there is some kind of trigger that causes Spike to do > >something horrible to Buffy at some point? Has anybody commented on this > >idea? And is this the way it's headed down to the series finale? > > > This is kind of like confusing Dr. Frankenstein and the Monster. > > The Manchurian Candidate was the stepfather who was to be the > vice-presidential nominee elevated to presidential nominee after the > assassination. Lawrence Harvey's character was the brainwashed stepson > helping to put Manchuria's presidential candidate in position. > > Ken

2003-01-29 21:00:22-05:00 - Re: Is Spike the Manchurian Candidate? - (Tyler Sherkin <t_sherkin@hotmail.com>)


Well, it actually has alreayd ocurrred. The song? The "trigger," that exact word was used. Buffy :"trusts" SPike but the episodes have made it explicit that EVERYONE (even the Scooby Gang) is aware that the master might have an in on Spike. "KenM47" <KenM47@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:trvg3vsnpdlq0gp0t24q03iqe3hbeb3vpu@4ax.com... > Alberich <Alberich@somewhere.com> wrote: > > >Somebody posted the possibility that all that torture that Spike > >underwent had a purpose besides punishing Spike for disobeying the > >First. It's possible Spike has been "brainwashed" at a subconscious > >level and there is some kind of trigger that causes Spike to do > >something horrible to Buffy at some point? Has anybody commented on this > >idea? And is this the way it's headed down to the series finale? > > > This is kind of like confusing Dr. Frankenstein and the Monster. > > The Manchurian Candidate was the stepfather who was to be the > vice-presidential nominee elevated to presidential nominee after the > assassination. Lawrence Harvey's character was the brainwashed stepson > helping to put Manchuria's presidential candidate in position. > > Ken

2003-01-29 21:31:24-06:00 - Re: Is Spike the Manchurian Candidate? - (Alberich <Alberich@somewhere.com>)


In article <3E387EFC.F6AFBFA3@rcn.com>, Carmikl@rcn.com says... > Alberich wrote: > > > > Somebody posted the possibility that all that torture that Spike > > underwent had a purpose besides punishing Spike for disobeying the > > First. It's possible Spike has been "brainwashed" at a subconscious > > level and there is some kind of trigger that causes Spike to do > > something horrible to Buffy at some point? Has anybody commented on this > > idea? > > Yes, I posted this thread just two days ago: > > Subject: > It's nice that Buffy trusts Spike, but > Date: > Mon, 27 Jan 2003 09:53:04 -0800 > From: > Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> > > > Why does she trust the First not to use Spike? Obviously, under Morphy's > influence Spike is a killer, and neither a chip or a soul makes a > difference. It is completely irrational of Buffy to allow Spike to roam > free and unsupervised. Especially when she later admits that there are > Bringers all over town, clearly still out to kill SITs. If the Bringers > are out looking for SITs, as they were with Amanda, how can Buffy assume > that Morphy "Probably" wouldn't be messing with Spike. Stupid statement > > It would seem that Morphy's next best plan would be to start working the > two operatives it has inside la maison des Buffy, yet both Spike and > Andrew are allowed to roam free and unsupervised. > You're correct about the two operative theory. However, I don't think the other is Andrew. It's more likely its Buffy.

2003-01-29 21:31:24-06:00 - Re: Is Spike the Manchurian Candidate? - (Alberich <Alberich@somewhere.com>)


In article <3E387EFC.F6AFBFA3@rcn.com>, Carmikl@rcn.com says... > Alberich wrote: > > > > Somebody posted the possibility that all that torture that Spike > > underwent had a purpose besides punishing Spike for disobeying the > > First. It's possible Spike has been "brainwashed" at a subconscious > > level and there is some kind of trigger that causes Spike to do > > something horrible to Buffy at some point? Has anybody commented on this > > idea? > > Yes, I posted this thread just two days ago: > > Subject: > It's nice that Buffy trusts Spike, but > Date: > Mon, 27 Jan 2003 09:53:04 -0800 > From: > Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> > > > Why does she trust the First not to use Spike? Obviously, under Morphy's > influence Spike is a killer, and neither a chip or a soul makes a > difference. It is completely irrational of Buffy to allow Spike to roam > free and unsupervised. Especially when she later admits that there are > Bringers all over town, clearly still out to kill SITs. If the Bringers > are out looking for SITs, as they were with Amanda, how can Buffy assume > that Morphy "Probably" wouldn't be messing with Spike. Stupid statement > > It would seem that Morphy's next best plan would be to start working the > two operatives it has inside la maison des Buffy, yet both Spike and > Andrew are allowed to roam free and unsupervised. > You're correct about the two operative theory. However, I don't think the other is Andrew. It's more likely its Buffy.

2003-01-30 04:04:33+00:00 - Re: Is Spike the Manchurian Candidate? - ("T.V." <intrepidsoul@earthlink.net>)


Funny you mention that movie. I just saw it yesterday. Dammit. Good film. It's difficult to believe that it was the same lady from Bedknobs and broomsticks. Theresa "Alberich" <Alberich@somewhere.com> wrote in message news:MPG.18a244a43230f40798989d@news.cyburban.com... > Somebody posted the possibility that all that torture that Spike > underwent had a purpose besides punishing Spike for disobeying the > First. It's possible Spike has been "brainwashed" at a subconscious > level and there is some kind of trigger that causes Spike to do > something horrible to Buffy at some point? Has anybody commented on this > idea? And is this the way it's headed down to the series finale?

2003-01-30 04:04:33+00:00 - Re: Is Spike the Manchurian Candidate? - ("T.V." <intrepidsoul@earthlink.net>)


Funny you mention that movie. I just saw it yesterday. Dammit. Good film. It's difficult to believe that it was the same lady from Bedknobs and broomsticks. Theresa "Alberich" <Alberich@somewhere.com> wrote in message news:MPG.18a244a43230f40798989d@news.cyburban.com... > Somebody posted the possibility that all that torture that Spike > underwent had a purpose besides punishing Spike for disobeying the > First. It's possible Spike has been "brainwashed" at a subconscious > level and there is some kind of trigger that causes Spike to do > something horrible to Buffy at some point? Has anybody commented on this > idea? And is this the way it's headed down to the series finale?