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2003-02-19 10:07:22-08:00 - Time to end the show (2/18/03 episode thoughts) - (hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com)


SPOILERS for 2/18/03 S P O I L E R S I watched the 2/18/03 episode. Kind of a yawner because it seemed it just dealt with the same stuff all over again. If this was the first season of B/VS and I never saw any of this stuff before, I might have liked it. But this isn't the first season. Indeed, the first season had lots more _good_ quips and cute lines, even in serious situations. It was new when Giles told Buffy, in the very early episodes, that as the slayer she had a duty and couldn't waste time on dating and the like. It was cute seeing Buffy trying to juggle the two, that was one of the big things that made the show interesting and fun to watch. But now, many years later, Buffy is 100% slayer, and not much fun anymore. So we have this tension between Spike and Wood, compounded by the fact Spike has his soul back. Well, didn't we go through all this with Angel in the first three seasons? Sure we did. Oh yes, Spike apparently killed Wood's mother and Wood isn't too pleased about. Well, we've been watching Angel on both B/VS and his own show deal with people being not too pleased about his own past. Actually, there's no reason now that Buffy and Spike shouldn't be a couple. Apparently Spike has no curse, and Buffy is over her reincarnation blues At the end of this episode, we saw an army of nasty troops. (We wonder why these weren't brought up in the first place). At this time, the Buffy army is no match for them, but obviously they'll figure out a way to get up to speed. My point here is that in earlier seasons I'd be very interested to see how that's done. When Faith joined the mayor, I made very sure I tuned in next to see how that played out. But now, it's like "oh well". I've heard Buffy's "Patton" speech to her troops too many times before--just in this season! I've seen characters on the show get close and then back off because they're frightened. The Willow Kennedy thing isn't new. At the end, I didn't understand what the "early ones" were trying to give to Buffy (other than increased power), nor why she rejected it.

2003-02-19 10:07:22-08:00 - Time to end the show (2/18/03 episode thoughts) - (hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com)


SPOILERS for 2/18/03 S P O I L E R S I watched the 2/18/03 episode. Kind of a yawner because it seemed it just dealt with the same stuff all over again. If this was the first season of B/VS and I never saw any of this stuff before, I might have liked it. But this isn't the first season. Indeed, the first season had lots more _good_ quips and cute lines, even in serious situations. It was new when Giles told Buffy, in the very early episodes, that as the slayer she had a duty and couldn't waste time on dating and the like. It was cute seeing Buffy trying to juggle the two, that was one of the big things that made the show interesting and fun to watch. But now, many years later, Buffy is 100% slayer, and not much fun anymore. So we have this tension between Spike and Wood, compounded by the fact Spike has his soul back. Well, didn't we go through all this with Angel in the first three seasons? Sure we did. Oh yes, Spike apparently killed Wood's mother and Wood isn't too pleased about. Well, we've been watching Angel on both B/VS and his own show deal with people being not too pleased about his own past. Actually, there's no reason now that Buffy and Spike shouldn't be a couple. Apparently Spike has no curse, and Buffy is over her reincarnation blues At the end of this episode, we saw an army of nasty troops. (We wonder why these weren't brought up in the first place). At this time, the Buffy army is no match for them, but obviously they'll figure out a way to get up to speed. My point here is that in earlier seasons I'd be very interested to see how that's done. When Faith joined the mayor, I made very sure I tuned in next to see how that played out. But now, it's like "oh well". I've heard Buffy's "Patton" speech to her troops too many times before--just in this season! I've seen characters on the show get close and then back off because they're frightened. The Willow Kennedy thing isn't new. At the end, I didn't understand what the "early ones" were trying to give to Buffy (other than increased power), nor why she rejected it.

2003-02-19 19:03:44+00:00 - Re: Time to end the show (2/18/03 episode thoughts) - (PJ Browning <antarian@pacbell.net>)


In article <de64863b.0302191007.30c28789@posting.google.com>, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com (Jeff nor Lisa) wrote: > SPOILERS for 2/18/03 > S > P > O > I > L > E > R > S > > So we have this tension between Spike and Wood, compounded > by the fact Spike has his soul back. Well, didn't we go > through all this with Angel in the first three seasons? angel's true smack in the face came with Holtz. Spike has never had to face this concern before. Wood is his parallel to Holtz, yes. But I think the outcome will be different. Holtz died wanting Angel to suffer. He couldn't kill the vamp, so he takes Angel's son away. first physically and then emotionally (by making Connor think that Angel killed him). I suspect that Spike and Wood will have a different outcome. > Actually, there's no reason now that Buffy and Spike shouldn't > be a couple. Apparently Spike has no curse, and Buffy is > over her reincarnation blues exactly. and in the end, I think they will be. if they both live long enough. > > At the end, I didn't understand what the "early ones" were trying > to give to Buffy (other than increased power), nor why she rejected > it. the First Slayer was made by placing a demon into the girl. she was a feral creature, more demon than human. If Buffy gave in and accepted the demon, she would have to give up being human. that is the exchange. she isn't willing to accept those terms.

2003-02-19 19:03:44+00:00 - Re: Time to end the show (2/18/03 episode thoughts) - (PJ Browning <antarian@pacbell.net>)


In article <de64863b.0302191007.30c28789@posting.google.com>, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com (Jeff nor Lisa) wrote: > SPOILERS for 2/18/03 > S > P > O > I > L > E > R > S > > So we have this tension between Spike and Wood, compounded > by the fact Spike has his soul back. Well, didn't we go > through all this with Angel in the first three seasons? angel's true smack in the face came with Holtz. Spike has never had to face this concern before. Wood is his parallel to Holtz, yes. But I think the outcome will be different. Holtz died wanting Angel to suffer. He couldn't kill the vamp, so he takes Angel's son away. first physically and then emotionally (by making Connor think that Angel killed him). I suspect that Spike and Wood will have a different outcome. > Actually, there's no reason now that Buffy and Spike shouldn't > be a couple. Apparently Spike has no curse, and Buffy is > over her reincarnation blues exactly. and in the end, I think they will be. if they both live long enough. > > At the end, I didn't understand what the "early ones" were trying > to give to Buffy (other than increased power), nor why she rejected > it. the First Slayer was made by placing a demon into the girl. she was a feral creature, more demon than human. If Buffy gave in and accepted the demon, she would have to give up being human. that is the exchange. she isn't willing to accept those terms.

2003-02-21 05:32:56+00:00 - Re: Time to end the show (2/18/03 episode thoughts) - (cmk1996@aol.com)


>Subject: Re: Time to end the show (2/18/03 episode thoughts) >From: PJ Browning antarian@pacbell.net >Date: 2/19/2003 2:03 PM Eastern Standard Time >Message-id: <antarian-B3C41E.11042419022003@newssvr16-ext.news.prodigy.com> > >In article <de64863b.0302191007.30c28789@posting.google.com>, > hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com (Jeff nor Lisa) wrote: > >> SPOILERS for 2/18/03 >> S >> P >> O >> I >> L >> E >> R >> S >> > >> So we have this tension between Spike and Wood, compounded >> by the fact Spike has his soul back. Well, didn't we go >> through all this with Angel in the first three seasons? > >angel's true smack in the face came with Holtz. > >Spike has never had to face this concern before. Wood is his parallel to >Holtz, yes. But I think the outcome will be different. Holtz died >wanting Angel to suffer. He couldn't kill the vamp, so he takes Angel's >son away. first physically and then emotionally (by making Connor think >that Angel killed him). I suspect that Spike and Wood will have a >different outcome. > I think another difference between the Angel/Holtz parallel with Spike/Wood is that not only did Angel kill Holtz's family, he vamped Holtz's little girl, making Holtz stake his own daughter. I took that visciousness as the reason Holtz was on such an unrelenting mission, even after hearing of Angel's soul. Wood is observing Spike and may be convinced that SoulySpike is not wholly responsible for Nikki's death, that his current actions are redeeming. Maybe. Holtz didn't wanna hear it.

2003-02-21 05:32:56+00:00 - Re: Time to end the show (2/18/03 episode thoughts) - (cmk1996@aol.com)


>Subject: Re: Time to end the show (2/18/03 episode thoughts) >From: PJ Browning antarian@pacbell.net >Date: 2/19/2003 2:03 PM Eastern Standard Time >Message-id: <antarian-B3C41E.11042419022003@newssvr16-ext.news.prodigy.com> > >In article <de64863b.0302191007.30c28789@posting.google.com>, > hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com (Jeff nor Lisa) wrote: > >> SPOILERS for 2/18/03 >> S >> P >> O >> I >> L >> E >> R >> S >> > >> So we have this tension between Spike and Wood, compounded >> by the fact Spike has his soul back. Well, didn't we go >> through all this with Angel in the first three seasons? > >angel's true smack in the face came with Holtz. > >Spike has never had to face this concern before. Wood is his parallel to >Holtz, yes. But I think the outcome will be different. Holtz died >wanting Angel to suffer. He couldn't kill the vamp, so he takes Angel's >son away. first physically and then emotionally (by making Connor think >that Angel killed him). I suspect that Spike and Wood will have a >different outcome. > I think another difference between the Angel/Holtz parallel with Spike/Wood is that not only did Angel kill Holtz's family, he vamped Holtz's little girl, making Holtz stake his own daughter. I took that visciousness as the reason Holtz was on such an unrelenting mission, even after hearing of Angel's soul. Wood is observing Spike and may be convinced that SoulySpike is not wholly responsible for Nikki's death, that his current actions are redeeming. Maybe. Holtz didn't wanna hear it.