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2003-02-13 08:21:37-08:00 - Re: Xander in basment: How? - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


Kirk wrote: > > Okay, how in the world did that female whatever-it-was get Xander into the > basement and tied up? > > -- Kirk The doors to the basement are never locked and the school has no security. Since Xander knew what was in the basement, it seems like convincing him to go there would have been a tough sell, no matter how horny he was.

2003-02-13 08:21:37-08:00 - Re: Xander in basment: How? - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


Kirk wrote: > > Okay, how in the world did that female whatever-it-was get Xander into the > basement and tied up? > > -- Kirk The doors to the basement are never locked and the school has no security. Since Xander knew what was in the basement, it seems like convincing him to go there would have been a tough sell, no matter how horny he was.

2003-02-13 09:36:54-08:00 - Re: Xander in basment: How? - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


Don Sample wrote: > > In article <3E4BC611.C5A17997@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > Kirk wrote: > > > > > > Okay, how in the world did that female whatever-it-was get Xander into the > > > basement and tied up? > > > > > > -- Kirk > > > > The doors to the basement are never locked and the school has no > > security. Since Xander knew what was in the basement, it seems like > > convincing him to go there would have been a tough sell, no matter how > > horny he was. > > Or she bopped him over the head and carried him. Demon girl was plenty > strong, so it wouldn't matter if the doors were locked or not. > Wouldn't it be even more difficult to make a phone call when you're unconscious than when you're tied to a wheel?

2003-02-13 09:36:54-08:00 - Re: Xander in basment: How? - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


Don Sample wrote: > > In article <3E4BC611.C5A17997@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > Kirk wrote: > > > > > > Okay, how in the world did that female whatever-it-was get Xander into the > > > basement and tied up? > > > > > > -- Kirk > > > > The doors to the basement are never locked and the school has no > > security. Since Xander knew what was in the basement, it seems like > > convincing him to go there would have been a tough sell, no matter how > > horny he was. > > Or she bopped him over the head and carried him. Demon girl was plenty > strong, so it wouldn't matter if the doors were locked or not. > Wouldn't it be even more difficult to make a phone call when you're unconscious than when you're tied to a wheel?

2003-02-13 09:47:01-08:00 - Re: Xander in basment: How? - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 08:21:37 -0800, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > >Kirk wrote: > >> > >> Okay, how in the world did that female whatever-it-was get Xander into the > >> basement and tied up? > >> > >> -- Kirk > > > >The doors to the basement are never locked and the school has no > >security. Since Xander knew what was in the basement, it seems like > >convincing him to go there would have been a tough sell, no matter how > >horny he was. > > I don't think she had to sell anything. She went toe to toe with Buffy > and was doing pretty well. I don't think she'd have any trouble > forcing Xander into the basement or onto the rack. If she used force, it makes Xander's phantom phone call even more improbable.

2003-02-13 09:47:01-08:00 - Re: Xander in basment: How? - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 08:21:37 -0800, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > >Kirk wrote: > >> > >> Okay, how in the world did that female whatever-it-was get Xander into the > >> basement and tied up? > >> > >> -- Kirk > > > >The doors to the basement are never locked and the school has no > >security. Since Xander knew what was in the basement, it seems like > >convincing him to go there would have been a tough sell, no matter how > >horny he was. > > I don't think she had to sell anything. She went toe to toe with Buffy > and was doing pretty well. I don't think she'd have any trouble > forcing Xander into the basement or onto the rack. If she used force, it makes Xander's phantom phone call even more improbable.

2003-02-13 11:15:35-05:00 - Re: Xander in basment: How? - (Ian Motter <imotter@REMOVESPAMcbfbusinesssolutions.com>)


Kirk wrote: > > Okay, how in the world did that female whatever-it-was get Xander into the > basement and tied up? > > -- Kirk Drugged his hot chocolate? Used her evil magic powers? How did Xander text-page Willow while being tied up, etc.

2003-02-13 11:15:35-05:00 - Re: Xander in basment: How? - (Ian Motter <imotter@REMOVESPAMcbfbusinesssolutions.com>)


Kirk wrote: > > Okay, how in the world did that female whatever-it-was get Xander into the > basement and tied up? > > -- Kirk Drugged his hot chocolate? Used her evil magic powers? How did Xander text-page Willow while being tied up, etc.

2003-02-13 12:10:55-05:00 - Re: Xander in basment: How? - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)


In article <3E4BC611.C5A17997@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > Kirk wrote: > > > > Okay, how in the world did that female whatever-it-was get Xander into the > > basement and tied up? > > > > -- Kirk > > The doors to the basement are never locked and the school has no > security. Since Xander knew what was in the basement, it seems like > convincing him to go there would have been a tough sell, no matter how > horny he was. Or she bopped him over the head and carried him. Demon girl was plenty strong, so it wouldn't matter if the doors were locked or not. -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

2003-02-13 12:10:55-05:00 - Re: Xander in basment: How? - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)


In article <3E4BC611.C5A17997@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > Kirk wrote: > > > > Okay, how in the world did that female whatever-it-was get Xander into the > > basement and tied up? > > > > -- Kirk > > The doors to the basement are never locked and the school has no > security. Since Xander knew what was in the basement, it seems like > convincing him to go there would have been a tough sell, no matter how > horny he was. Or she bopped him over the head and carried him. Demon girl was plenty strong, so it wouldn't matter if the doors were locked or not. -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

2003-02-13 13:28:27-05:00 - Re: Xander in basment: How? - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)


In article <3E4BD7B6.5D60FC45@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > Don Sample wrote: > > > > In article <3E4BC611.C5A17997@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > > > Kirk wrote: > > > > > > > > Okay, how in the world did that female whatever-it-was get Xander into > > > > the > > > > basement and tied up? > > > > > > > > -- Kirk > > > > > > The doors to the basement are never locked and the school has no > > > security. Since Xander knew what was in the basement, it seems like > > > convincing him to go there would have been a tough sell, no matter how > > > horny he was. > > > > Or she bopped him over the head and carried him. Demon girl was plenty > > strong, so it wouldn't matter if the doors were locked or not. > > > Wouldn't it be even more difficult to make a phone call when you're > unconscious than when you're tied to a wheel? He woke up again before he got tied up. -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

2003-02-13 13:28:27-05:00 - Re: Xander in basment: How? - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)


In article <3E4BD7B6.5D60FC45@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > Don Sample wrote: > > > > In article <3E4BC611.C5A17997@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > > > Kirk wrote: > > > > > > > > Okay, how in the world did that female whatever-it-was get Xander into > > > > the > > > > basement and tied up? > > > > > > > > -- Kirk > > > > > > The doors to the basement are never locked and the school has no > > > security. Since Xander knew what was in the basement, it seems like > > > convincing him to go there would have been a tough sell, no matter how > > > horny he was. > > > > Or she bopped him over the head and carried him. Demon girl was plenty > > strong, so it wouldn't matter if the doors were locked or not. > > > Wouldn't it be even more difficult to make a phone call when you're > unconscious than when you're tied to a wheel? He woke up again before he got tied up. -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

2003-02-13 13:30:25-05:00 - Re: Xander in basment: How? - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)


In article <3E4BDA15.82B3D347@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > > On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 08:21:37 -0800, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > > >Kirk wrote: > > >> > > >> Okay, how in the world did that female whatever-it-was get Xander into > > >> the > > >> basement and tied up? > > >> > > >> -- Kirk > > > > > >The doors to the basement are never locked and the school has no > > >security. Since Xander knew what was in the basement, it seems like > > >convincing him to go there would have been a tough sell, no matter how > > >horny he was. > > > > I don't think she had to sell anything. She went toe to toe with Buffy > > and was doing pretty well. I don't think she'd have any trouble > > forcing Xander into the basement or onto the rack. > > If she used force, it makes Xander's phantom phone call even more > improbable. Depends on when the force is used. Bop him over the head, dump him in the trunk of her car. Xander wakes up, thinks "Oh shit!" sends his distess message. She arrives at the school, and carries him inside for sexy funky fun with ropes. -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

2003-02-13 13:30:25-05:00 - Re: Xander in basment: How? - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)


In article <3E4BDA15.82B3D347@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > > On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 08:21:37 -0800, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > > >Kirk wrote: > > >> > > >> Okay, how in the world did that female whatever-it-was get Xander into > > >> the > > >> basement and tied up? > > >> > > >> -- Kirk > > > > > >The doors to the basement are never locked and the school has no > > >security. Since Xander knew what was in the basement, it seems like > > >convincing him to go there would have been a tough sell, no matter how > > >horny he was. > > > > I don't think she had to sell anything. She went toe to toe with Buffy > > and was doing pretty well. I don't think she'd have any trouble > > forcing Xander into the basement or onto the rack. > > If she used force, it makes Xander's phantom phone call even more > improbable. Depends on when the force is used. Bop him over the head, dump him in the trunk of her car. Xander wakes up, thinks "Oh shit!" sends his distess message. She arrives at the school, and carries him inside for sexy funky fun with ropes. -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

2003-02-13 13:41:11-05:00 - Re: Xander in basment: How? - (Arnold Kim <kim5@erols.com>)


"Don Sample" <dsample@synapse.net> wrote in message news:130220031328277068%dsample@synapse.net... > In article <3E4BD7B6.5D60FC45@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > Don Sample wrote: > > > > > > In article <3E4BC611.C5A17997@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Kirk wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Okay, how in the world did that female whatever-it-was get Xander into > > > > > the > > > > > basement and tied up? > > > > > > > > > > -- Kirk > > > > > > > > The doors to the basement are never locked and the school has no > > > > security. Since Xander knew what was in the basement, it seems like > > > > convincing him to go there would have been a tough sell, no matter how > > > > horny he was. > > > > > > Or she bopped him over the head and carried him. Demon girl was plenty > > > strong, so it wouldn't matter if the doors were locked or not. > > > > > Wouldn't it be even more difficult to make a phone call when you're > > unconscious than when you're tied to a wheel? > > He woke up again before he got tied up. Or he realized he was in trouble before getting conked on the head. Arnold Kim

2003-02-13 13:41:11-05:00 - Re: Xander in basment: How? - (Arnold Kim <kim5@erols.com>)


"Don Sample" <dsample@synapse.net> wrote in message news:130220031328277068%dsample@synapse.net... > In article <3E4BD7B6.5D60FC45@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > Don Sample wrote: > > > > > > In article <3E4BC611.C5A17997@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Kirk wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Okay, how in the world did that female whatever-it-was get Xander into > > > > > the > > > > > basement and tied up? > > > > > > > > > > -- Kirk > > > > > > > > The doors to the basement are never locked and the school has no > > > > security. Since Xander knew what was in the basement, it seems like > > > > convincing him to go there would have been a tough sell, no matter how > > > > horny he was. > > > > > > Or she bopped him over the head and carried him. Demon girl was plenty > > > strong, so it wouldn't matter if the doors were locked or not. > > > > > Wouldn't it be even more difficult to make a phone call when you're > > unconscious than when you're tied to a wheel? > > He woke up again before he got tied up. Or he realized he was in trouble before getting conked on the head. Arnold Kim

2003-02-13 16:09:40+00:00 - Xander in basment: How? - (Kirk <loneshoe@earthlink.net>)


Okay, how in the world did that female whatever-it-was get Xander into the basement and tied up? -- Kirk

2003-02-13 16:09:40+00:00 - Xander in basment: How? - (Kirk <loneshoe@earthlink.net>)


Okay, how in the world did that female whatever-it-was get Xander into the basement and tied up? -- Kirk

2003-02-13 17:16:20+00:00 - Re: Xander in basment: How? - (sparkly <shine2u@NOSP!Mmsn.com>)


"Kirk" <loneshoe@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:8rP2a.15248$1q2.1419772@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > Okay, how in the world did that female whatever-it-was get Xander into the > basement and tied up? > > -- Kirk > > > > > > I just kind of took it as a device for comedic timing. The joke would not have been nearly as effective if they had shown all the steps to get there. Its just Xander's fate!

2003-02-13 17:16:20+00:00 - Re: Xander in basment: How? - (sparkly <shine2u@NOSP!Mmsn.com>)


"Kirk" <loneshoe@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:8rP2a.15248$1q2.1419772@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > Okay, how in the world did that female whatever-it-was get Xander into the > basement and tied up? > > -- Kirk > > > > > > I just kind of took it as a device for comedic timing. The joke would not have been nearly as effective if they had shown all the steps to get there. Its just Xander's fate!

2003-02-13 17:40:56+00:00 - Re: Xander in basment: How? - (sillyman@famous.com)


On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 08:21:37 -0800, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: >Kirk wrote: >> >> Okay, how in the world did that female whatever-it-was get Xander into the >> basement and tied up? >> >> -- Kirk > >The doors to the basement are never locked and the school has no >security. Since Xander knew what was in the basement, it seems like >convincing him to go there would have been a tough sell, no matter how >horny he was. I don't think she had to sell anything. She went toe to toe with Buffy and was doing pretty well. I don't think she'd have any trouble forcing Xander into the basement or onto the rack.

2003-02-13 17:40:56+00:00 - Re: Xander in basment: How? - (sillyman@famous.com)


On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 08:21:37 -0800, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: >Kirk wrote: >> >> Okay, how in the world did that female whatever-it-was get Xander into the >> basement and tied up? >> >> -- Kirk > >The doors to the basement are never locked and the school has no >security. Since Xander knew what was in the basement, it seems like >convincing him to go there would have been a tough sell, no matter how >horny he was. I don't think she had to sell anything. She went toe to toe with Buffy and was doing pretty well. I don't think she'd have any trouble forcing Xander into the basement or onto the rack.

2003-02-13 18:14:59+00:00 - Re: Xander in basment: How? - (sillyman@famous.com)


On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 09:47:01 -0800, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: >sillyman@famous.com wrote: >> >> On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 08:21:37 -0800, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: >> >> >Kirk wrote: >> >> >> >> Okay, how in the world did that female whatever-it-was get Xander into the >> >> basement and tied up? >> >> >> >> -- Kirk >> > >> >The doors to the basement are never locked and the school has no >> >security. Since Xander knew what was in the basement, it seems like >> >convincing him to go there would have been a tough sell, no matter how >> >horny he was. >> >> I don't think she had to sell anything. She went toe to toe with Buffy >> and was doing pretty well. I don't think she'd have any trouble >> forcing Xander into the basement or onto the rack. > >If she used force, it makes Xander's phantom phone call even more >improbable. Not necessarily. It was never established whether he was calling for help or calling to say "I'm gonna get some". If the latter it would play into the demon's plan to have him tell everyone to leave him alone for a while.

2003-02-13 18:14:59+00:00 - Re: Xander in basment: How? - (sillyman@famous.com)


On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 09:47:01 -0800, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: >sillyman@famous.com wrote: >> >> On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 08:21:37 -0800, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: >> >> >Kirk wrote: >> >> >> >> Okay, how in the world did that female whatever-it-was get Xander into the >> >> basement and tied up? >> >> >> >> -- Kirk >> > >> >The doors to the basement are never locked and the school has no >> >security. Since Xander knew what was in the basement, it seems like >> >convincing him to go there would have been a tough sell, no matter how >> >horny he was. >> >> I don't think she had to sell anything. She went toe to toe with Buffy >> and was doing pretty well. I don't think she'd have any trouble >> forcing Xander into the basement or onto the rack. > >If she used force, it makes Xander's phantom phone call even more >improbable. Not necessarily. It was never established whether he was calling for help or calling to say "I'm gonna get some". If the latter it would play into the demon's plan to have him tell everyone to leave him alone for a while.

2003-02-14 06:59:47-08:00 - Re: Xander in basment: How? - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


RicMc wrote: > > willow said that the text messege was a code for either "gonna get laid" or > "tied up by a demon" > he could have sent it meaning "gonna get laid" but the gang luckly misread > it as "tied up by a demon" > Why would Xander and Willow set up such signal? Why not just turn off the phone?

2003-02-14 06:59:47-08:00 - Re: Xander in basment: How? - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


RicMc wrote: > > willow said that the text messege was a code for either "gonna get laid" or > "tied up by a demon" > he could have sent it meaning "gonna get laid" but the gang luckly misread > it as "tied up by a demon" > Why would Xander and Willow set up such signal? Why not just turn off the phone?

2003-02-14 12:25:28+00:00 - Re: Xander in basment: How? - (RicMc <rm002b8504@blueyonder.co.uk>)


willow said that the text messege was a code for either "gonna get laid" or "tied up by a demon" he could have sent it meaning "gonna get laid" but the gang luckly misread it as "tied up by a demon" "Carmikl" <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote in message news:3E4BDA15.82B3D347@rcn.com... > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > > On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 08:21:37 -0800, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > > >Kirk wrote: > > >> > > >> Okay, how in the world did that female whatever-it-was get Xander into the > > >> basement and tied up? > > >> > > >> -- Kirk > > > > > >The doors to the basement are never locked and the school has no > > >security. Since Xander knew what was in the basement, it seems like > > >convincing him to go there would have been a tough sell, no matter how > > >horny he was. > > > > I don't think she had to sell anything. She went toe to toe with Buffy > > and was doing pretty well. I don't think she'd have any trouble > > forcing Xander into the basement or onto the rack. > > If she used force, it makes Xander's phantom phone call even more > improbable.

2003-02-14 12:25:28+00:00 - Re: Xander in basment: How? - (RicMc <rm002b8504@blueyonder.co.uk>)


willow said that the text messege was a code for either "gonna get laid" or "tied up by a demon" he could have sent it meaning "gonna get laid" but the gang luckly misread it as "tied up by a demon" "Carmikl" <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote in message news:3E4BDA15.82B3D347@rcn.com... > sillyman@famous.com wrote: > > > > On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 08:21:37 -0800, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > > >Kirk wrote: > > >> > > >> Okay, how in the world did that female whatever-it-was get Xander into the > > >> basement and tied up? > > >> > > >> -- Kirk > > > > > >The doors to the basement are never locked and the school has no > > >security. Since Xander knew what was in the basement, it seems like > > >convincing him to go there would have been a tough sell, no matter how > > >horny he was. > > > > I don't think she had to sell anything. She went toe to toe with Buffy > > and was doing pretty well. I don't think she'd have any trouble > > forcing Xander into the basement or onto the rack. > > If she used force, it makes Xander's phantom phone call even more > improbable.

2003-02-15 23:24:12-08:00 - Do you think anybody cares how Xander paged Willow? - (Mark_Reichert@hotmail.com)


Ian Motter <imotter@REMOVESPAMcbfbusinesssolutions.com> wrote in message news:<3E4BC4A7.54A98E5F@REMOVESPAMcbfbusinesssolutions.com>... > How did Xander text-page Willow while being tied up, etc. See above. The writers don't give a shit. The audience doesn't give a shit. Continuity and plot holes the size of Sunnydale don't matter, because all that matters is being cool. If it feels good, put it end and don't worry if it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. And never, ever explain anything because those people who actually want explanations are obviously dweebs who don't matter in the slightest.

2003-02-15 23:24:12-08:00 - Do you think anybody cares how Xander paged Willow? - (Mark_Reichert@hotmail.com)


Ian Motter <imotter@REMOVESPAMcbfbusinesssolutions.com> wrote in message news:<3E4BC4A7.54A98E5F@REMOVESPAMcbfbusinesssolutions.com>... > How did Xander text-page Willow while being tied up, etc. See above. The writers don't give a shit. The audience doesn't give a shit. Continuity and plot holes the size of Sunnydale don't matter, because all that matters is being cool. If it feels good, put it end and don't worry if it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. And never, ever explain anything because those people who actually want explanations are obviously dweebs who don't matter in the slightest.

2003-02-16 04:02:26+00:00 - Re: Xander in basment: How? - (rgorman@telusplanet.net)


On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 16:09:40 GMT, "Kirk" <loneshoe@earthlink.net> wrote: > Okay, how in the world did that female whatever-it-was get Xander into the >basement and tied up? Pretty easily. She was physically stronger than he was, after all.

2003-02-16 04:02:26+00:00 - Re: Xander in basment: How? - (rgorman@telusplanet.net)


On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 16:09:40 GMT, "Kirk" <loneshoe@earthlink.net> wrote: > Okay, how in the world did that female whatever-it-was get Xander into the >basement and tied up? Pretty easily. She was physically stronger than he was, after all.

2003-02-16 04:04:36+00:00 - Re: Xander in basment: How? - (rgorman@telusplanet.net)


On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 09:47:01 -0800, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: >> >> I don't think she had to sell anything. She went toe to toe with Buffy >> and was doing pretty well. I don't think she'd have any trouble >> forcing Xander into the basement or onto the rack. > >If she used force, it makes Xander's phantom phone call even more >improbable. All he had to was get one arm free and press a couple of buttons. How hard is that?

2003-02-16 04:04:36+00:00 - Re: Xander in basment: How? - (rgorman@telusplanet.net)


On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 09:47:01 -0800, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: >> >> I don't think she had to sell anything. She went toe to toe with Buffy >> and was doing pretty well. I don't think she'd have any trouble >> forcing Xander into the basement or onto the rack. > >If she used force, it makes Xander's phantom phone call even more >improbable. All he had to was get one arm free and press a couple of buttons. How hard is that?

2003-02-16 14:26:28-05:00 - Re: Do you think anybody cares how Xander paged Willow? - (The Babaloughesian <me@privacy.net>)


"Mark Reichert" <Mark_Reichert@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:99e65015.0302152324.6b7c06fc@posting.google.com... > Ian Motter <imotter@REMOVESPAMcbfbusinesssolutions.com> wrote in message news:<3E4BC4A7.54A98E5F@REMOVESPAMcbfbusinesssolutions.com>... > > How did Xander text-page Willow while being tied up, etc. > > See above. > > The writers don't give a shit. The audience doesn't give a shit. > Continuity and plot holes the size of Sunnydale don't matter, because > all that matters is being cool. If it feels good, put it end and > don't worry if it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. > > And never, ever explain anything because those people who actually > want explanations are obviously dweebs who don't matter in the > slightest. Ha. Right you are.

2003-02-16 14:26:28-05:00 - Re: Do you think anybody cares how Xander paged Willow? - (The Babaloughesian <me@privacy.net>)


"Mark Reichert" <Mark_Reichert@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:99e65015.0302152324.6b7c06fc@posting.google.com... > Ian Motter <imotter@REMOVESPAMcbfbusinesssolutions.com> wrote in message news:<3E4BC4A7.54A98E5F@REMOVESPAMcbfbusinesssolutions.com>... > > How did Xander text-page Willow while being tied up, etc. > > See above. > > The writers don't give a shit. The audience doesn't give a shit. > Continuity and plot holes the size of Sunnydale don't matter, because > all that matters is being cool. If it feels good, put it end and > don't worry if it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. > > And never, ever explain anything because those people who actually > want explanations are obviously dweebs who don't matter in the > slightest. Ha. Right you are.

2003-02-16 14:29:24-05:00 - Re: Do you think anybody cares how Xander paged Willow? - (EGK <me@privacy.net>)


On Sun, 16 Feb 2003 19:21:12 -0000, "Green Lantern" <green_lantern@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >> > How did Xander text-page Willow while being tied up, etc. > >Well, Willow did say the code was either "I got lucky" or "My date's trying >to eat me". I think the joke was that Xander thought he was getting lucky, >sent Will the 'don't bother me' message and oh-so-conveniently Will got the >messages mixed up. That would have actually been very funny if they had played that up and shown that. They didn't and the writer of the episode simply said Xander knew he was in trouble and called earlier. These omissions bother some people and they say so. Then others jump all over their asses for daring to express it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "There would be a lot more civility in this world if people didn't take that as an invitation to walk all over you" - (Calvin and Hobbes) email: egk-nospam-@hotmail.com

2003-02-16 14:29:24-05:00 - Re: Do you think anybody cares how Xander paged Willow? - (EGK <me@privacy.net>)


On Sun, 16 Feb 2003 19:21:12 -0000, "Green Lantern" <green_lantern@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >> > How did Xander text-page Willow while being tied up, etc. > >Well, Willow did say the code was either "I got lucky" or "My date's trying >to eat me". I think the joke was that Xander thought he was getting lucky, >sent Will the 'don't bother me' message and oh-so-conveniently Will got the >messages mixed up. That would have actually been very funny if they had played that up and shown that. They didn't and the writer of the episode simply said Xander knew he was in trouble and called earlier. These omissions bother some people and they say so. Then others jump all over their asses for daring to express it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "There would be a lot more civility in this world if people didn't take that as an invitation to walk all over you" - (Calvin and Hobbes) email: egk-nospam-@hotmail.com

2003-02-16 14:37:02-05:00 - Re: Do you think anybody cares how Xander paged Willow? - (The Babaloughesian <me@privacy.net>)


"EGK" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:mgpv4v8ie4927uq37lalkntl4h93kpdplv@4ax.com... > On Sun, 16 Feb 2003 19:21:12 -0000, "Green Lantern" > <green_lantern@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > > >> > How did Xander text-page Willow while being tied up, etc. > > > >Well, Willow did say the code was either "I got lucky" or "My date's trying > >to eat me". I think the joke was that Xander thought he was getting lucky, > >sent Will the 'don't bother me' message and oh-so-conveniently Will got the > >messages mixed up. > > That would have actually been very funny if they had played that up and > shown that. They didn't and the writer of the episode simply said Xander > knew he was in trouble and called earlier. These omissions bother some > people and they say so. Then others jump all over their asses for daring to > express it. They're both entitled to their opinion, although both are impotent to affect any change.

2003-02-16 14:37:02-05:00 - Re: Do you think anybody cares how Xander paged Willow? - (The Babaloughesian <me@privacy.net>)


"EGK" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:mgpv4v8ie4927uq37lalkntl4h93kpdplv@4ax.com... > On Sun, 16 Feb 2003 19:21:12 -0000, "Green Lantern" > <green_lantern@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > > >> > How did Xander text-page Willow while being tied up, etc. > > > >Well, Willow did say the code was either "I got lucky" or "My date's trying > >to eat me". I think the joke was that Xander thought he was getting lucky, > >sent Will the 'don't bother me' message and oh-so-conveniently Will got the > >messages mixed up. > > That would have actually been very funny if they had played that up and > shown that. They didn't and the writer of the episode simply said Xander > knew he was in trouble and called earlier. These omissions bother some > people and they say so. Then others jump all over their asses for daring to > express it. They're both entitled to their opinion, although both are impotent to affect any change.

2003-02-16 15:56:59-05:00 - Re: Xander in basment: How? - ("Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net>)


On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 16:09:40 GMT, "Kirk" wrote: > Okay, how in the world did that female whatever-it-was get Xander into the > basement and tied up? Actually it was Xander who suggested they go there. She probably said something like "You know what really makes me hot? Having sex in a basement over an ancient magical seal." The next thing you know Xander is ushering her off to Sunnydale high, and writing a message on his phone saying he got lucky! -- Mathew Homepage - http://mathew.fcpages.com/ Angel web site - http://angel.fcpages.com/

2003-02-16 15:56:59-05:00 - Re: Xander in basment: How? - ("Mathew R. Ignash" <mathewignash@comcast.net>)


On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 16:09:40 GMT, "Kirk" wrote: > Okay, how in the world did that female whatever-it-was get Xander into the > basement and tied up? Actually it was Xander who suggested they go there. She probably said something like "You know what really makes me hot? Having sex in a basement over an ancient magical seal." The next thing you know Xander is ushering her off to Sunnydale high, and writing a message on his phone saying he got lucky! -- Mathew Homepage - http://mathew.fcpages.com/ Angel web site - http://angel.fcpages.com/

2003-02-16 16:50:39+00:00 - Re: Do you think anybody cares how Xander paged Willow? - (anim8rfsk@aol.comNOSPAM)


<< From: Mark_Reichert@hotmail.com (Mark Reichert) >> << The writers don't give a shit. The audience doesn't give a shit. >> Obviously you're wrong.

2003-02-16 16:50:39+00:00 - Re: Do you think anybody cares how Xander paged Willow? - (anim8rfsk@aol.comNOSPAM)


<< From: Mark_Reichert@hotmail.com (Mark Reichert) >> << The writers don't give a shit. The audience doesn't give a shit. >> Obviously you're wrong.

2003-02-16 19:21:12+00:00 - Re: Do you think anybody cares how Xander paged Willow? - (Green Lantern <green_lantern@blueyonder.co.uk>)


> > How did Xander text-page Willow while being tied up, etc. Well, Willow did say the code was either "I got lucky" or "My date's trying to eat me". I think the joke was that Xander thought he was getting lucky, sent Will the 'don't bother me' message and oh-so-conveniently Will got the messages mixed up. Peace, Matt

2003-02-16 19:21:12+00:00 - Re: Do you think anybody cares how Xander paged Willow? - (Green Lantern <green_lantern@blueyonder.co.uk>)


> > How did Xander text-page Willow while being tied up, etc. Well, Willow did say the code was either "I got lucky" or "My date's trying to eat me". I think the joke was that Xander thought he was getting lucky, sent Will the 'don't bother me' message and oh-so-conveniently Will got the messages mixed up. Peace, Matt

2003-02-17 03:01:16+00:00 - Re: Do you think anybody cares how Xander paged Willow? - (Aethelrede <aethelrede@worldnet.att.net>)


ANIM8Rfsk wrote in message <20030216115039.11296.00001173@mb-ch.aol.com>... ><< From: Mark_Reichert@hotmail.com (Mark Reichert) >> > > ><< The writers don't give a shit. The audience doesn't give a shit. >> > >Obviously you're wrong. Obviously you are confusing "The Audience", i.e. the hundreds of thousands of people in each market area who watch the show if they have nothing more important to do, with "The Fans", i.e. the people who tape the show and obsess about every minute detail of each ep, who memorise enormous chunks of dialogue and recall the names of every minor character and actor, and the names and plots of every ep, and who know exactly what was cut out of every ep for the FX reruns. Tiny details only matter to "The Fans": the cast, writers and even the continuity crew care even less about them than "The Audience. Fans are such a tiny minority that nobody cares about them: they'll watch the show to the end even if it's only to bitch and whine about how it's just crap now.

2003-02-17 03:01:16+00:00 - Re: Do you think anybody cares how Xander paged Willow? - (Aethelrede <aethelrede@worldnet.att.net>)


ANIM8Rfsk wrote in message <20030216115039.11296.00001173@mb-ch.aol.com>... ><< From: Mark_Reichert@hotmail.com (Mark Reichert) >> > > ><< The writers don't give a shit. The audience doesn't give a shit. >> > >Obviously you're wrong. Obviously you are confusing "The Audience", i.e. the hundreds of thousands of people in each market area who watch the show if they have nothing more important to do, with "The Fans", i.e. the people who tape the show and obsess about every minute detail of each ep, who memorise enormous chunks of dialogue and recall the names of every minor character and actor, and the names and plots of every ep, and who know exactly what was cut out of every ep for the FX reruns. Tiny details only matter to "The Fans": the cast, writers and even the continuity crew care even less about them than "The Audience. Fans are such a tiny minority that nobody cares about them: they'll watch the show to the end even if it's only to bitch and whine about how it's just crap now.

2003-02-17 21:50:02+00:00 - Re: Do you think anybody cares how Xander paged Willow? - (benvarkent@aol.com)


> Obviously you are confusing "The Audience", i.e. the hundreds of >thousands of people in each market area who watch the show if they have >nothing more important to do, with "The Fans" On the other hand, obviously *you* are confusing "Buffy" with a show that *has* an audience besides "The Fans," which I really don't think it does at this point. For better or for worse, "Buffy" has always been resistant--and this season, downright hostile--to such casual viewing. Ben Varkentine "Never feel sorry for anyone who makes more than a million dollars a year."--Mark Evanier's Uncle Aaron Read my film, music and book reviews at http://ink19.com/ (new) & http://popmatters.com/ (archival)

2003-02-17 21:50:02+00:00 - Re: Do you think anybody cares how Xander paged Willow? - (benvarkent@aol.com)


> Obviously you are confusing "The Audience", i.e. the hundreds of >thousands of people in each market area who watch the show if they have >nothing more important to do, with "The Fans" On the other hand, obviously *you* are confusing "Buffy" with a show that *has* an audience besides "The Fans," which I really don't think it does at this point. For better or for worse, "Buffy" has always been resistant--and this season, downright hostile--to such casual viewing. Ben Varkentine "Never feel sorry for anyone who makes more than a million dollars a year."--Mark Evanier's Uncle Aaron Read my film, music and book reviews at http://ink19.com/ (new) & http://popmatters.com/ (archival)

2003-02-18 02:50:38+00:00 - Re: Do you think anybody cares how Xander paged Willow? - (Aethelrede <aethelrede@worldnet.att.net>)


Ben Varkentine wrote in message <20030217165002.29848.00001537@mb-mv.aol.com>... >> Obviously you are confusing "The Audience", i.e. the hundreds of >>thousands of people in each market area who watch the show if they have >>nothing more important to do, with "The Fans" > >On the other hand, obviously *you* are confusing "Buffy" with a show that *has* >an audience besides "The Fans," which I really don't think it does at this >point. Nonsense. A show with rating that low would be cancelled immediately. No advertisers would buy time. It's how many people watch, not how much each person watching loves the show, that runs TV. Even public TV stations cancel shows that don't have the numbers.

2003-02-18 02:50:38+00:00 - Re: Do you think anybody cares how Xander paged Willow? - (Aethelrede <aethelrede@worldnet.att.net>)


Ben Varkentine wrote in message <20030217165002.29848.00001537@mb-mv.aol.com>... >> Obviously you are confusing "The Audience", i.e. the hundreds of >>thousands of people in each market area who watch the show if they have >>nothing more important to do, with "The Fans" > >On the other hand, obviously *you* are confusing "Buffy" with a show that *has* >an audience besides "The Fans," which I really don't think it does at this >point. Nonsense. A show with rating that low would be cancelled immediately. No advertisers would buy time. It's how many people watch, not how much each person watching loves the show, that runs TV. Even public TV stations cancel shows that don't have the numbers.

2003-02-18 08:38:03-08:00 - Re: Do you think anybody cares how Xander paged Willow? - (Mark_Reichert@hotmail.com)


EGK <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:<mgpv4v8ie4927uq37lalkntl4h93kpdplv@4ax.com>... > That would have actually been very funny if they had played that up and > shown that. Yes it would, but later do we find out in a relatively few short seconds that was what happened? No.

2003-02-18 08:38:03-08:00 - Re: Do you think anybody cares how Xander paged Willow? - (Mark_Reichert@hotmail.com)


EGK <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:<mgpv4v8ie4927uq37lalkntl4h93kpdplv@4ax.com>... > That would have actually been very funny if they had played that up and > shown that. Yes it would, but later do we find out in a relatively few short seconds that was what happened? No.

2003-02-18 20:45:19+00:00 - Re: Do you think anybody cares how Xander paged Willow? - (benvarkent@aol.com)


>A show with rating that low would be cancelled immediately. Shh, you'll jinx it. >No advertisers would buy time. Any word on whether UPN has had to give "make-goods" yet? It's how many people watch, not how much >each person watching loves the show, that runs TV. True, but my point was that I find it very hard to believe that the three million-plus people who watch "Buffy" aren't the same people every week. > Even public TV stations cancel shows that don't have the numbers. Shh, you'll jinx it. Ben Varkentine "Never feel sorry for anyone who makes more than a million dollars a year."--Mark Evanier's Uncle Aaron Read my film, music and book reviews at http://ink19.com/ (new) & http://popmatters.com/ (archival)

2003-02-18 20:45:19+00:00 - Re: Do you think anybody cares how Xander paged Willow? - (benvarkent@aol.com)


>A show with rating that low would be cancelled immediately. Shh, you'll jinx it. >No advertisers would buy time. Any word on whether UPN has had to give "make-goods" yet? It's how many people watch, not how much >each person watching loves the show, that runs TV. True, but my point was that I find it very hard to believe that the three million-plus people who watch "Buffy" aren't the same people every week. > Even public TV stations cancel shows that don't have the numbers. Shh, you'll jinx it. Ben Varkentine "Never feel sorry for anyone who makes more than a million dollars a year."--Mark Evanier's Uncle Aaron Read my film, music and book reviews at http://ink19.com/ (new) & http://popmatters.com/ (archival)