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2003-01-21 06:25:40-05:00 - Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (Erich <Erichattheredeye@hotmail.com>)


(Spoilers for Potential) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she were to die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two things: 1) Everyone on the cast operating under this assumption is mistaken, and Joss's previous statement of the slayer line now running through Faith still holds true. The only way we will know that this is true or not is if a) Buffy were to die and nothing happens, or b) a soothsayer, or some mystical source, on the show says contrary to what the main cast seems to believe. or 2) They're correct, and Joss changed his mind. This, of course, means that there's then a third slayer running around the world somewhere. But you'd think that the coven/bringers/FE would've picked up on that by now. - Erich

2003-01-21 06:25:40-05:00 - Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (Erich <Erichattheredeye@hotmail.com>)


(Spoilers for Potential) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she were to die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two things: 1) Everyone on the cast operating under this assumption is mistaken, and Joss's previous statement of the slayer line now running through Faith still holds true. The only way we will know that this is true or not is if a) Buffy were to die and nothing happens, or b) a soothsayer, or some mystical source, on the show says contrary to what the main cast seems to believe. or 2) They're correct, and Joss changed his mind. This, of course, means that there's then a third slayer running around the world somewhere. But you'd think that the coven/bringers/FE would've picked up on that by now. - Erich

2003-01-21 07:16:40-08:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


Niels Leenheer wrote: > > "Bingus" wrote > > On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:25:40 +0000, Erich wrote: > > > > > (Spoilers for Potential) > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she > were to > > > die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two > > > things: > > > > If thats the case, why wasn't one called when she jumped to her death in > > The Gift? It makes no sense. > > Perhaps one was called and we simply haven't seen her yet. > Just because it hasn't happened on screen doesn't mean it hasn't happened. > > Niels The coven keeps calling to tell Buffy about Potential Slayers. Don't you think their seer would have mentioned another Slayer by now?

2003-01-21 07:16:40-08:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


Niels Leenheer wrote: > > "Bingus" wrote > > On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:25:40 +0000, Erich wrote: > > > > > (Spoilers for Potential) > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she > were to > > > die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two > > > things: > > > > If thats the case, why wasn't one called when she jumped to her death in > > The Gift? It makes no sense. > > Perhaps one was called and we simply haven't seen her yet. > Just because it hasn't happened on screen doesn't mean it hasn't happened. > > Niels The coven keeps calling to tell Buffy about Potential Slayers. Don't you think their seer would have mentioned another Slayer by now?

2003-01-21 10:01:47-08:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (sam_14042@yahoo.com)


"Erich" <Erichattheredeye@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<v2qcm3hg5cgs78@corp.supernews.com>... > (Spoilers for Potential) > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she were to > die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two > things: > > 1) Everyone on the cast operating under this assumption is mistaken, and > Joss's previous statement of the slayer line now running through Faith still > holds true. The only way we will know that this is true or not is if a) > Buffy were to die and nothing happens, or b) a soothsayer, or some mystical > source, on the show says contrary to what the main cast seems to believe. > > or > > 2) They're correct, and Joss changed his mind. This, of course, means that > there's then a third slayer running around the world somewhere. But you'd > think that the coven/bringers/FE would've picked up on that by now. > > - Erich I'm betting it's going to turn out to be the first one. I seriously doubt they'll be introducing *another* Slayer, so this is probably just Buffy et al being mistaken, and we'll find out later that it's Faith who has to die to pass on the Slayer power. Also, Rebecca Rand Kirschner may have just messed up.

2003-01-21 10:01:47-08:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (sam_14042@yahoo.com)


"Erich" <Erichattheredeye@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<v2qcm3hg5cgs78@corp.supernews.com>... > (Spoilers for Potential) > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she were to > die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two > things: > > 1) Everyone on the cast operating under this assumption is mistaken, and > Joss's previous statement of the slayer line now running through Faith still > holds true. The only way we will know that this is true or not is if a) > Buffy were to die and nothing happens, or b) a soothsayer, or some mystical > source, on the show says contrary to what the main cast seems to believe. > > or > > 2) They're correct, and Joss changed his mind. This, of course, means that > there's then a third slayer running around the world somewhere. But you'd > think that the coven/bringers/FE would've picked up on that by now. > > - Erich I'm betting it's going to turn out to be the first one. I seriously doubt they'll be introducing *another* Slayer, so this is probably just Buffy et al being mistaken, and we'll find out later that it's Faith who has to die to pass on the Slayer power. Also, Rebecca Rand Kirschner may have just messed up.

2003-01-21 11:17:17-06:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (Darwin Fish <a@a.edu>)


In article <aluq2v4fgjtiejhq2aee480ssctqislh0q@4ax.com>, EGK <egk_nospam_@hotmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:24:20 -0500, "DarkMagic" <slnospambilan@comcast.net> > wrote: > > > > > > > > >"Bingus" <bingus@netspace.net.au-nospam-> wrote in message > >news:pan.2003.01.21.12.27.32.466250@netspace.net.au-nospam-... > >> On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:25:40 +0000, Erich wrote: > >> > >> > (Spoilers for Potential) > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she > >were to > >> > die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two > >> > things: > >> > >> If thats the case, why wasn't one called when she jumped to her death in > >> The Gift? It makes no sense. > >> > >I suppose ME could get away with saying that Buffy's dying had already > >generated one Slayer for *that* lifetime. And that's why her second, and > >final, death of *that* lifetime didn't call another. Now, she's been > >*re-born*, she's on her second lifetime, so her first death in her second > >lifetime would call another Slayer. I think that would be a crock of you > >know what, but it's convoluted enough to fit into ME's bizarre notions of > >plot. > > One thing that's mystifying is none of the other characters comment on this > at all. They just keep on saying that another slayer will arrive if Buffy > dies. You'd think at least Buffy, Giles, Willow or Xander would remember > Faith and put two and two together. They'd realize that Faith was called > when Kendra died. If not, they'd have to wonder why no new slayer was > brought forth when Buffy died again n The Gift.. But nope. They all appear > oblivious to it. Why do you think that they know for certain that a third Slayer wasn't called? They don't have access to the writer's public statements. All they can do is base their thoughts on prior experience. In the past its always been, "One Slayer dies another is called". They can't even reliably find SITs and the COW has been perfecting their methods for generations. The proccess to find a Slayer is most likely different and less likely to be used. The third Slayer, assuming there is a third Slayer, might not even know she is a Slayer. Maybe she's using her powers for fun and profit. Or maybe the FE found her first and convinced her that she is a great warrior for the side of darkness. Guess we'll find out soon.... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Let the Darwin Fishes swim! www.darwin-fish.com/fish.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------

2003-01-21 11:17:17-06:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (Darwin Fish <a@a.edu>)


In article <aluq2v4fgjtiejhq2aee480ssctqislh0q@4ax.com>, EGK <egk_nospam_@hotmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:24:20 -0500, "DarkMagic" <slnospambilan@comcast.net> > wrote: > > > > > > > > >"Bingus" <bingus@netspace.net.au-nospam-> wrote in message > >news:pan.2003.01.21.12.27.32.466250@netspace.net.au-nospam-... > >> On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:25:40 +0000, Erich wrote: > >> > >> > (Spoilers for Potential) > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she > >were to > >> > die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two > >> > things: > >> > >> If thats the case, why wasn't one called when she jumped to her death in > >> The Gift? It makes no sense. > >> > >I suppose ME could get away with saying that Buffy's dying had already > >generated one Slayer for *that* lifetime. And that's why her second, and > >final, death of *that* lifetime didn't call another. Now, she's been > >*re-born*, she's on her second lifetime, so her first death in her second > >lifetime would call another Slayer. I think that would be a crock of you > >know what, but it's convoluted enough to fit into ME's bizarre notions of > >plot. > > One thing that's mystifying is none of the other characters comment on this > at all. They just keep on saying that another slayer will arrive if Buffy > dies. You'd think at least Buffy, Giles, Willow or Xander would remember > Faith and put two and two together. They'd realize that Faith was called > when Kendra died. If not, they'd have to wonder why no new slayer was > brought forth when Buffy died again n The Gift.. But nope. They all appear > oblivious to it. Why do you think that they know for certain that a third Slayer wasn't called? They don't have access to the writer's public statements. All they can do is base their thoughts on prior experience. In the past its always been, "One Slayer dies another is called". They can't even reliably find SITs and the COW has been perfecting their methods for generations. The proccess to find a Slayer is most likely different and less likely to be used. The third Slayer, assuming there is a third Slayer, might not even know she is a Slayer. Maybe she's using her powers for fun and profit. Or maybe the FE found her first and convinced her that she is a great warrior for the side of darkness. Guess we'll find out soon.... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Let the Darwin Fishes swim! www.darwin-fish.com/fish.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------

2003-01-21 11:24:20-05:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (DarkMagic <slnospambilan@comcast.net>)


"Bingus" <bingus@netspace.net.au-nospam-> wrote in message news:pan.2003.01.21.12.27.32.466250@netspace.net.au-nospam-... > On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:25:40 +0000, Erich wrote: > > > (Spoilers for Potential) > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she were to > > die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two > > things: > > If thats the case, why wasn't one called when she jumped to her death in > The Gift? It makes no sense. > I suppose ME could get away with saying that Buffy's dying had already generated one Slayer for *that* lifetime. And that's why her second, and final, death of *that* lifetime didn't call another. Now, she's been *re-born*, she's on her second lifetime, so her first death in her second lifetime would call another Slayer. I think that would be a crock of you know what, but it's convoluted enough to fit into ME's bizarre notions of plot. -- Shannon If loving Buffy is wrong, I don't want to be right.

2003-01-21 11:24:20-05:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (DarkMagic <slnospambilan@comcast.net>)


"Bingus" <bingus@netspace.net.au-nospam-> wrote in message news:pan.2003.01.21.12.27.32.466250@netspace.net.au-nospam-... > On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:25:40 +0000, Erich wrote: > > > (Spoilers for Potential) > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she were to > > die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two > > things: > > If thats the case, why wasn't one called when she jumped to her death in > The Gift? It makes no sense. > I suppose ME could get away with saying that Buffy's dying had already generated one Slayer for *that* lifetime. And that's why her second, and final, death of *that* lifetime didn't call another. Now, she's been *re-born*, she's on her second lifetime, so her first death in her second lifetime would call another Slayer. I think that would be a crock of you know what, but it's convoluted enough to fit into ME's bizarre notions of plot. -- Shannon If loving Buffy is wrong, I don't want to be right.

2003-01-21 11:48:37-08:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


Sam wrote: > > "Erich" <Erichattheredeye@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<v2qcm3hg5cgs78@corp.supernews.com>... > > (Spoilers for Potential) > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she were to > > die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two > > things: > > > > 1) Everyone on the cast operating under this assumption is mistaken, and > > Joss's previous statement of the slayer line now running through Faith still > > holds true. The only way we will know that this is true or not is if a) > > Buffy were to die and nothing happens, or b) a soothsayer, or some mystical > > source, on the show says contrary to what the main cast seems to believe. > > > > or > > > > 2) They're correct, and Joss changed his mind. This, of course, means that > > there's then a third slayer running around the world somewhere. But you'd > > think that the coven/bringers/FE would've picked up on that by now. > > > > - Erich > > I'm betting it's going to turn out to be the first one. I seriously > doubt they'll be introducing *another* Slayer, so this is probably > just Buffy et al being mistaken, and we'll find out later that it's > Faith who has to die to pass on the Slayer power. > > Also, Rebecca Rand Kirschner may have just messed up. If there was another Slayer, it would also be one of Morphys targets. It would have to be a part of the current arc, or the whole arc wouldn't make any sense.

2003-01-21 11:48:37-08:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


Sam wrote: > > "Erich" <Erichattheredeye@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<v2qcm3hg5cgs78@corp.supernews.com>... > > (Spoilers for Potential) > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she were to > > die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two > > things: > > > > 1) Everyone on the cast operating under this assumption is mistaken, and > > Joss's previous statement of the slayer line now running through Faith still > > holds true. The only way we will know that this is true or not is if a) > > Buffy were to die and nothing happens, or b) a soothsayer, or some mystical > > source, on the show says contrary to what the main cast seems to believe. > > > > or > > > > 2) They're correct, and Joss changed his mind. This, of course, means that > > there's then a third slayer running around the world somewhere. But you'd > > think that the coven/bringers/FE would've picked up on that by now. > > > > - Erich > > I'm betting it's going to turn out to be the first one. I seriously > doubt they'll be introducing *another* Slayer, so this is probably > just Buffy et al being mistaken, and we'll find out later that it's > Faith who has to die to pass on the Slayer power. > > Also, Rebecca Rand Kirschner may have just messed up. If there was another Slayer, it would also be one of Morphys targets. It would have to be a part of the current arc, or the whole arc wouldn't make any sense.

2003-01-21 11:54:52-05:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (EGK <egk_nospam_@hotmail.com>)


On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:24:20 -0500, "DarkMagic" <slnospambilan@comcast.net> wrote: > > > >"Bingus" <bingus@netspace.net.au-nospam-> wrote in message >news:pan.2003.01.21.12.27.32.466250@netspace.net.au-nospam-... >> On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:25:40 +0000, Erich wrote: >> >> > (Spoilers for Potential) >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she >were to >> > die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two >> > things: >> >> If thats the case, why wasn't one called when she jumped to her death in >> The Gift? It makes no sense. >> >I suppose ME could get away with saying that Buffy's dying had already >generated one Slayer for *that* lifetime. And that's why her second, and >final, death of *that* lifetime didn't call another. Now, she's been >*re-born*, she's on her second lifetime, so her first death in her second >lifetime would call another Slayer. I think that would be a crock of you >know what, but it's convoluted enough to fit into ME's bizarre notions of >plot. One thing that's mystifying is none of the other characters comment on this at all. They just keep on saying that another slayer will arrive if Buffy dies. You'd think at least Buffy, Giles, Willow or Xander would remember Faith and put two and two together. They'd realize that Faith was called when Kendra died. If not, they'd have to wonder why no new slayer was brought forth when Buffy died again n The Gift.. But nope. They all appear oblivious to it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "There would be a lot more civility in this world if people didn't take that as an invitation to walk all over you" - (Calvin and Hobbes)

2003-01-21 11:54:52-05:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (EGK <egk_nospam_@hotmail.com>)


On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:24:20 -0500, "DarkMagic" <slnospambilan@comcast.net> wrote: > > > >"Bingus" <bingus@netspace.net.au-nospam-> wrote in message >news:pan.2003.01.21.12.27.32.466250@netspace.net.au-nospam-... >> On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:25:40 +0000, Erich wrote: >> >> > (Spoilers for Potential) >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > . >> > Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she >were to >> > die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two >> > things: >> >> If thats the case, why wasn't one called when she jumped to her death in >> The Gift? It makes no sense. >> >I suppose ME could get away with saying that Buffy's dying had already >generated one Slayer for *that* lifetime. And that's why her second, and >final, death of *that* lifetime didn't call another. Now, she's been >*re-born*, she's on her second lifetime, so her first death in her second >lifetime would call another Slayer. I think that would be a crock of you >know what, but it's convoluted enough to fit into ME's bizarre notions of >plot. One thing that's mystifying is none of the other characters comment on this at all. They just keep on saying that another slayer will arrive if Buffy dies. You'd think at least Buffy, Giles, Willow or Xander would remember Faith and put two and two together. They'd realize that Faith was called when Kendra died. If not, they'd have to wonder why no new slayer was brought forth when Buffy died again n The Gift.. But nope. They all appear oblivious to it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "There would be a lot more civility in this world if people didn't take that as an invitation to walk all over you" - (Calvin and Hobbes)

2003-01-21 12:12:14-05:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (DarkMagic <slnospambilan@comcast.net>)


"EGK" <egk_nospam_@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:aluq2v4fgjtiejhq2aee480ssctqislh0q@4ax.com... > On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:24:20 -0500, "DarkMagic" <slnospambilan@comcast.net> > wrote: > > > > > > > > >"Bingus" <bingus@netspace.net.au-nospam-> wrote in message > >news:pan.2003.01.21.12.27.32.466250@netspace.net.au-nospam-... > >> On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:25:40 +0000, Erich wrote: > >> > >> > (Spoilers for Potential) > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she > >were to > >> > die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two > >> > things: > >> > >> If thats the case, why wasn't one called when she jumped to her death in > >> The Gift? It makes no sense. > >> > >I suppose ME could get away with saying that Buffy's dying had already > >generated one Slayer for *that* lifetime. And that's why her second, and > >final, death of *that* lifetime didn't call another. Now, she's been > >*re-born*, she's on her second lifetime, so her first death in her second > >lifetime would call another Slayer. I think that would be a crock of you > >know what, but it's convoluted enough to fit into ME's bizarre notions of > >plot. > > One thing that's mystifying is none of the other characters comment on this > at all. They just keep on saying that another slayer will arrive if Buffy > dies. You'd think at least Buffy, Giles, Willow or Xander would remember > Faith and put two and two together. They'd realize that Faith was called > when Kendra died. If not, they'd have to wonder why no new slayer was > brought forth when Buffy died again n The Gift.. But nope. They all appear > oblivious to it. > Welcome to the Hellmouth. It's the same place where a magic character was created and Magic Monks performed a mystifying mind meld on the entire city so they would remember her and not one character ever had a reality crisis over having their memories altered. > -- Shannon If loving Buffy is wrong, I don't want to be right. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > "There would be a lot more civility in this world if people > didn't take that as an invitation to walk all over you" > - (Calvin and Hobbes)

2003-01-21 12:12:14-05:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (DarkMagic <slnospambilan@comcast.net>)


"EGK" <egk_nospam_@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:aluq2v4fgjtiejhq2aee480ssctqislh0q@4ax.com... > On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:24:20 -0500, "DarkMagic" <slnospambilan@comcast.net> > wrote: > > > > > > > > >"Bingus" <bingus@netspace.net.au-nospam-> wrote in message > >news:pan.2003.01.21.12.27.32.466250@netspace.net.au-nospam-... > >> On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:25:40 +0000, Erich wrote: > >> > >> > (Spoilers for Potential) > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > . > >> > Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she > >were to > >> > die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two > >> > things: > >> > >> If thats the case, why wasn't one called when she jumped to her death in > >> The Gift? It makes no sense. > >> > >I suppose ME could get away with saying that Buffy's dying had already > >generated one Slayer for *that* lifetime. And that's why her second, and > >final, death of *that* lifetime didn't call another. Now, she's been > >*re-born*, she's on her second lifetime, so her first death in her second > >lifetime would call another Slayer. I think that would be a crock of you > >know what, but it's convoluted enough to fit into ME's bizarre notions of > >plot. > > One thing that's mystifying is none of the other characters comment on this > at all. They just keep on saying that another slayer will arrive if Buffy > dies. You'd think at least Buffy, Giles, Willow or Xander would remember > Faith and put two and two together. They'd realize that Faith was called > when Kendra died. If not, they'd have to wonder why no new slayer was > brought forth when Buffy died again n The Gift.. But nope. They all appear > oblivious to it. > Welcome to the Hellmouth. It's the same place where a magic character was created and Magic Monks performed a mystifying mind meld on the entire city so they would remember her and not one character ever had a reality crisis over having their memories altered. > -- Shannon If loving Buffy is wrong, I don't want to be right. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > "There would be a lot more civility in this world if people > didn't take that as an invitation to walk all over you" > - (Calvin and Hobbes)

2003-01-21 12:29:09-05:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (DarkMagic <slnospambilan@comcast.net>)


"Darwin Fish" <a@a.edu> wrote in message news:a-779798.11171721012003@husk.cso.niu.edu... > In article <aluq2v4fgjtiejhq2aee480ssctqislh0q@4ax.com>, > EGK <egk_nospam_@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:24:20 -0500, "DarkMagic" <slnospambilan@comcast.net> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"Bingus" <bingus@netspace.net.au-nospam-> wrote in message > > >news:pan.2003.01.21.12.27.32.466250@netspace.net.au-nospam-... > > >> On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:25:40 +0000, Erich wrote: > > >> > > >> > (Spoilers for Potential) > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she > > >were to > > >> > die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two > > >> > things: > > >> > > >> If thats the case, why wasn't one called when she jumped to her death in > > >> The Gift? It makes no sense. > > >> > > >I suppose ME could get away with saying that Buffy's dying had already > > >generated one Slayer for *that* lifetime. And that's why her second, and > > >final, death of *that* lifetime didn't call another. Now, she's been > > >*re-born*, she's on her second lifetime, so her first death in her second > > >lifetime would call another Slayer. I think that would be a crock of you > > >know what, but it's convoluted enough to fit into ME's bizarre notions of > > >plot. > > > > One thing that's mystifying is none of the other characters comment on this > > at all. They just keep on saying that another slayer will arrive if Buffy > > dies. You'd think at least Buffy, Giles, Willow or Xander would remember > > Faith and put two and two together. They'd realize that Faith was called > > when Kendra died. If not, they'd have to wonder why no new slayer was > > brought forth when Buffy died again n The Gift.. But nope. They all appear > > oblivious to it. > > Why do you think that they know for certain that a third Slayer wasn't > called? They don't have access to the writer's public statements. All > they can do is base their thoughts on prior experience. In the past its > always been, "One Slayer dies another is called". > They don't know another wasn't called and neither do we. What is annoying is the fact that we spend so much time speculating about it and the characters don't. They should be wondering out loud, to one another, if another Slayer was called when Buffy died, why, why not, where is she, how can we find her, will another come if Buffy dies again..... > They can't even reliably find SITs and the COW has been perfecting their > methods for generations. The proccess to find a Slayer is most likely > different and less likely to be used. The third Slayer, assuming there > is a third Slayer, might not even know she is a Slayer. Maybe she's > using her powers for fun and profit. Or maybe the FE found her first and > convinced her that she is a great warrior for the side of darkness. > Guess we'll find out soon.... > I'm tired of waiting. As of "The Gift" I've been tired of waiting. We are way over due for some decent, reasonable, answers to some of these hanging plot lines. -- Shannon If loving Buffy is wrong, I don't want to be right.

2003-01-21 12:29:09-05:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (DarkMagic <slnospambilan@comcast.net>)


"Darwin Fish" <a@a.edu> wrote in message news:a-779798.11171721012003@husk.cso.niu.edu... > In article <aluq2v4fgjtiejhq2aee480ssctqislh0q@4ax.com>, > EGK <egk_nospam_@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:24:20 -0500, "DarkMagic" <slnospambilan@comcast.net> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >"Bingus" <bingus@netspace.net.au-nospam-> wrote in message > > >news:pan.2003.01.21.12.27.32.466250@netspace.net.au-nospam-... > > >> On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:25:40 +0000, Erich wrote: > > >> > > >> > (Spoilers for Potential) > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > . > > >> > Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she > > >were to > > >> > die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two > > >> > things: > > >> > > >> If thats the case, why wasn't one called when she jumped to her death in > > >> The Gift? It makes no sense. > > >> > > >I suppose ME could get away with saying that Buffy's dying had already > > >generated one Slayer for *that* lifetime. And that's why her second, and > > >final, death of *that* lifetime didn't call another. Now, she's been > > >*re-born*, she's on her second lifetime, so her first death in her second > > >lifetime would call another Slayer. I think that would be a crock of you > > >know what, but it's convoluted enough to fit into ME's bizarre notions of > > >plot. > > > > One thing that's mystifying is none of the other characters comment on this > > at all. They just keep on saying that another slayer will arrive if Buffy > > dies. You'd think at least Buffy, Giles, Willow or Xander would remember > > Faith and put two and two together. They'd realize that Faith was called > > when Kendra died. If not, they'd have to wonder why no new slayer was > > brought forth when Buffy died again n The Gift.. But nope. They all appear > > oblivious to it. > > Why do you think that they know for certain that a third Slayer wasn't > called? They don't have access to the writer's public statements. All > they can do is base their thoughts on prior experience. In the past its > always been, "One Slayer dies another is called". > They don't know another wasn't called and neither do we. What is annoying is the fact that we spend so much time speculating about it and the characters don't. They should be wondering out loud, to one another, if another Slayer was called when Buffy died, why, why not, where is she, how can we find her, will another come if Buffy dies again..... > They can't even reliably find SITs and the COW has been perfecting their > methods for generations. The proccess to find a Slayer is most likely > different and less likely to be used. The third Slayer, assuming there > is a third Slayer, might not even know she is a Slayer. Maybe she's > using her powers for fun and profit. Or maybe the FE found her first and > convinced her that she is a great warrior for the side of darkness. > Guess we'll find out soon.... > I'm tired of waiting. As of "The Gift" I've been tired of waiting. We are way over due for some decent, reasonable, answers to some of these hanging plot lines. -- Shannon If loving Buffy is wrong, I don't want to be right.

2003-01-21 12:31:39-05:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (EGK <egk_nospam_@hotmail.com>)


On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:17:17 -0600, Darwin Fish <a@a.edu> wrote: >In article <aluq2v4fgjtiejhq2aee480ssctqislh0q@4ax.com>, > EGK <egk_nospam_@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:24:20 -0500, "DarkMagic" <slnospambilan@comcast.net> >> wrote: >> >> > >> > >> > >> >"Bingus" <bingus@netspace.net.au-nospam-> wrote in message >> >news:pan.2003.01.21.12.27.32.466250@netspace.net.au-nospam-... >> >> On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:25:40 +0000, Erich wrote: >> >> >> >> > (Spoilers for Potential) >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she >> >were to >> >> > die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two >> >> > things: >> >> >> >> If thats the case, why wasn't one called when she jumped to her death in >> >> The Gift? It makes no sense. >> >> >> >I suppose ME could get away with saying that Buffy's dying had already >> >generated one Slayer for *that* lifetime. And that's why her second, and >> >final, death of *that* lifetime didn't call another. Now, she's been >> >*re-born*, she's on her second lifetime, so her first death in her second >> >lifetime would call another Slayer. I think that would be a crock of you >> >know what, but it's convoluted enough to fit into ME's bizarre notions of >> >plot. >> >> One thing that's mystifying is none of the other characters comment on this >> at all. They just keep on saying that another slayer will arrive if Buffy >> dies. You'd think at least Buffy, Giles, Willow or Xander would remember >> Faith and put two and two together. They'd realize that Faith was called >> when Kendra died. If not, they'd have to wonder why no new slayer was >> brought forth when Buffy died again n The Gift.. But nope. They all appear >> oblivious to it. > >Why do you think that they know for certain that a third Slayer wasn't >called? They don't have access to the writer's public statements. All >they can do is base their thoughts on prior experience. In the past its >always been, "One Slayer dies another is called". I didn't say they dont know for certain. That's the point. No one even bothers to mention the possibilities. Since they know Buffy died diving off the tower, you'd think they'd expect there to be another slayer given their comments in this episode. >They can't even reliably find SITs and the COW has been perfecting their >methods for generations. The proccess to find a Slayer is most likely >different and less likely to be used. The third Slayer, assuming there >is a third Slayer, might not even know she is a Slayer. Maybe she's >using her powers for fun and profit. Or maybe the FE found her first and >convinced her that she is a great warrior for the side of darkness. >Guess we'll find out soon.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "There would be a lot more civility in this world if people didn't take that as an invitation to walk all over you" - (Calvin and Hobbes)

2003-01-21 12:31:39-05:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (EGK <egk_nospam_@hotmail.com>)


On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:17:17 -0600, Darwin Fish <a@a.edu> wrote: >In article <aluq2v4fgjtiejhq2aee480ssctqislh0q@4ax.com>, > EGK <egk_nospam_@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:24:20 -0500, "DarkMagic" <slnospambilan@comcast.net> >> wrote: >> >> > >> > >> > >> >"Bingus" <bingus@netspace.net.au-nospam-> wrote in message >> >news:pan.2003.01.21.12.27.32.466250@netspace.net.au-nospam-... >> >> On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:25:40 +0000, Erich wrote: >> >> >> >> > (Spoilers for Potential) >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she >> >were to >> >> > die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two >> >> > things: >> >> >> >> If thats the case, why wasn't one called when she jumped to her death in >> >> The Gift? It makes no sense. >> >> >> >I suppose ME could get away with saying that Buffy's dying had already >> >generated one Slayer for *that* lifetime. And that's why her second, and >> >final, death of *that* lifetime didn't call another. Now, she's been >> >*re-born*, she's on her second lifetime, so her first death in her second >> >lifetime would call another Slayer. I think that would be a crock of you >> >know what, but it's convoluted enough to fit into ME's bizarre notions of >> >plot. >> >> One thing that's mystifying is none of the other characters comment on this >> at all. They just keep on saying that another slayer will arrive if Buffy >> dies. You'd think at least Buffy, Giles, Willow or Xander would remember >> Faith and put two and two together. They'd realize that Faith was called >> when Kendra died. If not, they'd have to wonder why no new slayer was >> brought forth when Buffy died again n The Gift.. But nope. They all appear >> oblivious to it. > >Why do you think that they know for certain that a third Slayer wasn't >called? They don't have access to the writer's public statements. All >they can do is base their thoughts on prior experience. In the past its >always been, "One Slayer dies another is called". I didn't say they dont know for certain. That's the point. No one even bothers to mention the possibilities. Since they know Buffy died diving off the tower, you'd think they'd expect there to be another slayer given their comments in this episode. >They can't even reliably find SITs and the COW has been perfecting their >methods for generations. The proccess to find a Slayer is most likely >different and less likely to be used. The third Slayer, assuming there >is a third Slayer, might not even know she is a Slayer. Maybe she's >using her powers for fun and profit. Or maybe the FE found her first and >convinced her that she is a great warrior for the side of darkness. >Guess we'll find out soon.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "There would be a lot more civility in this world if people didn't take that as an invitation to walk all over you" - (Calvin and Hobbes)

2003-01-21 13:52:15-07:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (William George Ferguson <william.george.ferguson@domail.maricopa.edu>)


On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:25:40 -0500, "Erich" <Erichattheredeye@hotmail.com> wrote: >(Spoilers for Potential) >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she were to >die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two >things: > >1) Everyone on the cast operating under this assumption is mistaken, and >Joss's previous statement of the slayer line now running through Faith still >holds true. The only way we will know that this is true or not is if a) >Buffy were to die and nothing happens, or b) a soothsayer, or some mystical >source, on the show says contrary to what the main cast seems to believe. > >or > >2) They're correct, and Joss changed his mind. This, of course, means that >there's then a third slayer running around the world somewhere. But you'd >think that the coven/bringers/FE would've picked up on that by now. or 3) Just because the cast knows it doesn't mean the characters know it. The characters clearly believe that Buffy dying will call a new Slayer, but their believing it doesn't make it so (also doesn't make it not so). -- "Oh Buffy, you really do need to have every square inch of your ass kicked." - Willow Rosenberg

2003-01-21 13:52:15-07:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (William George Ferguson <william.george.ferguson@domail.maricopa.edu>)


On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:25:40 -0500, "Erich" <Erichattheredeye@hotmail.com> wrote: >(Spoilers for Potential) >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >. >Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she were to >die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two >things: > >1) Everyone on the cast operating under this assumption is mistaken, and >Joss's previous statement of the slayer line now running through Faith still >holds true. The only way we will know that this is true or not is if a) >Buffy were to die and nothing happens, or b) a soothsayer, or some mystical >source, on the show says contrary to what the main cast seems to believe. > >or > >2) They're correct, and Joss changed his mind. This, of course, means that >there's then a third slayer running around the world somewhere. But you'd >think that the coven/bringers/FE would've picked up on that by now. or 3) Just because the cast knows it doesn't mean the characters know it. The characters clearly believe that Buffy dying will call a new Slayer, but their believing it doesn't make it so (also doesn't make it not so). -- "Oh Buffy, you really do need to have every square inch of your ass kicked." - Willow Rosenberg

2003-01-21 15:09:02+01:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (Niels Leenheer <niels@creatype.nl>)


"Bingus" wrote > On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:25:40 +0000, Erich wrote: > > > (Spoilers for Potential) > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she were to > > die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two > > things: > > If thats the case, why wasn't one called when she jumped to her death in > The Gift? It makes no sense. Perhaps one was called and we simply haven't seen her yet. Just because it hasn't happened on screen doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Niels

2003-01-21 15:09:02+01:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (Niels Leenheer <niels@creatype.nl>)


"Bingus" wrote > On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:25:40 +0000, Erich wrote: > > > (Spoilers for Potential) > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she were to > > die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two > > things: > > If thats the case, why wasn't one called when she jumped to her death in > The Gift? It makes no sense. Perhaps one was called and we simply haven't seen her yet. Just because it hasn't happened on screen doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Niels

2003-01-21 15:38:09-06:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)


In article <3E2D6458.BDB378AC@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > Niels Leenheer wrote: > > > > "Bingus" wrote > > > On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:25:40 +0000, Erich wrote: > > > > > > > (Spoilers for Potential) > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she > > were to > > > > die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two > > > > things: > > > > > > If thats the case, why wasn't one called when she jumped to her death in > > > The Gift? It makes no sense. > > > > Perhaps one was called and we simply haven't seen her yet. > > Just because it hasn't happened on screen doesn't mean it hasn't happened. > > > > Niels > > The coven keeps calling to tell Buffy about Potential Slayers. Don't you > think their seer would have mentioned another Slayer by now? They're looking for Potentials, not Slayers. -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

2003-01-21 15:38:09-06:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)


In article <3E2D6458.BDB378AC@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > Niels Leenheer wrote: > > > > "Bingus" wrote > > > On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:25:40 +0000, Erich wrote: > > > > > > > (Spoilers for Potential) > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she > > were to > > > > die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two > > > > things: > > > > > > If thats the case, why wasn't one called when she jumped to her death in > > > The Gift? It makes no sense. > > > > Perhaps one was called and we simply haven't seen her yet. > > Just because it hasn't happened on screen doesn't mean it hasn't happened. > > > > Niels > > The coven keeps calling to tell Buffy about Potential Slayers. Don't you > think their seer would have mentioned another Slayer by now? They're looking for Potentials, not Slayers. -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

2003-01-21 16:05:12-08:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (stonewar@alltel.net)


Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote in message news:<3E2DA415.A1AFCBAA@rcn.com>... > Sam wrote: > > > > "Erich" <Erichattheredeye@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<v2qcm3hg5cgs78@corp.supernews.com>... > > > (Spoilers for Potential) > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she were to > > > die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two > > > things: > > > > > > 1) Everyone on the cast operating under this assumption is mistaken, and > > > Joss's previous statement of the slayer line now running through Faith still > > > holds true. The only way we will know that this is true or not is if a) > > > Buffy were to die and nothing happens, or b) a soothsayer, or some mystical > > > source, on the show says contrary to what the main cast seems to believe. > > > > > > or > > > > > > 2) They're correct, and Joss changed his mind. This, of course, means that > > > there's then a third slayer running around the world somewhere. But you'd > > > think that the coven/bringers/FE would've picked up on that by now. > > > > > > - Erich > > > > I'm betting it's going to turn out to be the first one. I seriously > > doubt they'll be introducing *another* Slayer, so this is probably > > just Buffy et al being mistaken, and we'll find out later that it's > > Faith who has to die to pass on the Slayer power. > > > > Also, Rebecca Rand Kirschner may have just messed up. > > If there was another Slayer, it would also be one of Morphys targets. It > would have to be a part of the current arc, or the whole arc wouldn't > make any sense. I had a theory about the slayer line that I came up with before I joined any groups. So it evolved in a vacuum so to speak. It was my attempt to reconcile the reincarnation of slayers shown in the movie, Giles "one girl" speech and the appearance of Kendra. (its that old.) I hadn't thought about it in ages but it came to mind again when it was said that the chaos in the slayer line gave the First evil his 'in'. So lets follow my train of thought: Ok to start, I was confused by them saying the slayer was the one girl of her generation. So One slayer every twenty years? Not very efficient but works with the reincarnation theory. She dies and has to wait to be born again and come of age. But the Show's slayer lore is showing us that the CoW definition of Generation is every other year or so. When one dies another is immediately activated. Plus they have all these potential slayers waiting around to see if they get tapped. How did they know these girls are in the running? My theory is Slayer Souls. There are a finite number of Slayer souls. Lets say ten. When I originally thought this up each soul had a title, special characteristics and personality traits to go with the name. Like 'The Berserker', 'The Lady', 'The Shepherdess', etc. The souls get rotated. When one dies she is reborn but doesn't have to worry about being called until the other nine have done their time as the Chosen one. So the once a generation may refer to that particular soul's time at bat. I saw some evidence to support my wild little theory when I saw the similarities between Kendra and Boxer Rebellion Slayer and Spike saying the New York Slayer and Buffy were a lot alike. Since calling is an automatic thing when each slayer dies a new one is activated. I concede to the possibility of a third activated Slayer. But Its also possible the PTB stepped in and took Buffy off automatic when they realize what had happened. (I don't believe PTB are all powerful. They are like Club Sponsors, They supervise and advise and only in extreme emergency step in but things often slip under radar) NOW, how does my theory apply to the First Evil's plan. He makes a ruckus to get all potentials and current slayers in one place. Kaboom!! Summers house is leveled in a explosion all ten slayer souls are reincarnated and trapped in utero. As a result we have about 15 slayer free years. And maybe even longer since there is no one to activate the new potentials when they come of age. And since the activation of the first slayer has been theorized to be brought about by shamanistic ritual, there we have the reason for the destruction of the CoW. No watchers to artificially activate a potential slayer when they are finally old enough. The First Evil figures he has at worst 15 years of fun time or time to plan for the next step until a surviving watcher figures out the ritual or the PTB step in and activate one of the girls or at best no more slayers ever. And the slayer souls are just regular souls from then on with no way to be activated. And perhaps a second level to that after several rotations without being called the slayer souls begin to rot and corrupt. And maybe the First Evil has a plan for them. muwahahahah

2003-01-21 16:05:12-08:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (stonewar@alltel.net)


Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote in message news:<3E2DA415.A1AFCBAA@rcn.com>... > Sam wrote: > > > > "Erich" <Erichattheredeye@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<v2qcm3hg5cgs78@corp.supernews.com>... > > > (Spoilers for Potential) > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she were to > > > die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two > > > things: > > > > > > 1) Everyone on the cast operating under this assumption is mistaken, and > > > Joss's previous statement of the slayer line now running through Faith still > > > holds true. The only way we will know that this is true or not is if a) > > > Buffy were to die and nothing happens, or b) a soothsayer, or some mystical > > > source, on the show says contrary to what the main cast seems to believe. > > > > > > or > > > > > > 2) They're correct, and Joss changed his mind. This, of course, means that > > > there's then a third slayer running around the world somewhere. But you'd > > > think that the coven/bringers/FE would've picked up on that by now. > > > > > > - Erich > > > > I'm betting it's going to turn out to be the first one. I seriously > > doubt they'll be introducing *another* Slayer, so this is probably > > just Buffy et al being mistaken, and we'll find out later that it's > > Faith who has to die to pass on the Slayer power. > > > > Also, Rebecca Rand Kirschner may have just messed up. > > If there was another Slayer, it would also be one of Morphys targets. It > would have to be a part of the current arc, or the whole arc wouldn't > make any sense. I had a theory about the slayer line that I came up with before I joined any groups. So it evolved in a vacuum so to speak. It was my attempt to reconcile the reincarnation of slayers shown in the movie, Giles "one girl" speech and the appearance of Kendra. (its that old.) I hadn't thought about it in ages but it came to mind again when it was said that the chaos in the slayer line gave the First evil his 'in'. So lets follow my train of thought: Ok to start, I was confused by them saying the slayer was the one girl of her generation. So One slayer every twenty years? Not very efficient but works with the reincarnation theory. She dies and has to wait to be born again and come of age. But the Show's slayer lore is showing us that the CoW definition of Generation is every other year or so. When one dies another is immediately activated. Plus they have all these potential slayers waiting around to see if they get tapped. How did they know these girls are in the running? My theory is Slayer Souls. There are a finite number of Slayer souls. Lets say ten. When I originally thought this up each soul had a title, special characteristics and personality traits to go with the name. Like 'The Berserker', 'The Lady', 'The Shepherdess', etc. The souls get rotated. When one dies she is reborn but doesn't have to worry about being called until the other nine have done their time as the Chosen one. So the once a generation may refer to that particular soul's time at bat. I saw some evidence to support my wild little theory when I saw the similarities between Kendra and Boxer Rebellion Slayer and Spike saying the New York Slayer and Buffy were a lot alike. Since calling is an automatic thing when each slayer dies a new one is activated. I concede to the possibility of a third activated Slayer. But Its also possible the PTB stepped in and took Buffy off automatic when they realize what had happened. (I don't believe PTB are all powerful. They are like Club Sponsors, They supervise and advise and only in extreme emergency step in but things often slip under radar) NOW, how does my theory apply to the First Evil's plan. He makes a ruckus to get all potentials and current slayers in one place. Kaboom!! Summers house is leveled in a explosion all ten slayer souls are reincarnated and trapped in utero. As a result we have about 15 slayer free years. And maybe even longer since there is no one to activate the new potentials when they come of age. And since the activation of the first slayer has been theorized to be brought about by shamanistic ritual, there we have the reason for the destruction of the CoW. No watchers to artificially activate a potential slayer when they are finally old enough. The First Evil figures he has at worst 15 years of fun time or time to plan for the next step until a surviving watcher figures out the ritual or the PTB step in and activate one of the girls or at best no more slayers ever. And the slayer souls are just regular souls from then on with no way to be activated. And perhaps a second level to that after several rotations without being called the slayer souls begin to rot and corrupt. And maybe the First Evil has a plan for them. muwahahahah

2003-01-21 16:34:28-05:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (Ebie <sybil5000@yahoo.com>)


Thus spake "Bingus" <bingus@netspace.net.au-nospam->: >On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:25:40 +0000, Erich wrote: > >> (Spoilers for Potential) >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she were to >> die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two >> things: > >If thats the case, why wasn't one called when she jumped to her death in >The Gift? It makes no sense. > This is sort of the usenet play-at-home version of "Life Serial". We all keep going around and around on this. Someone new asks this question daily, and The Dance Continues. Eventually ME will tell us (I hope), and put us out of our misery :) -- "Everyone's getting spanked but me!" - Willow

2003-01-21 16:34:28-05:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (Ebie <sybil5000@yahoo.com>)


Thus spake "Bingus" <bingus@netspace.net.au-nospam->: >On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:25:40 +0000, Erich wrote: > >> (Spoilers for Potential) >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she were to >> die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two >> things: > >If thats the case, why wasn't one called when she jumped to her death in >The Gift? It makes no sense. > This is sort of the usenet play-at-home version of "Life Serial". We all keep going around and around on this. Someone new asks this question daily, and The Dance Continues. Eventually ME will tell us (I hope), and put us out of our misery :) -- "Everyone's getting spanked but me!" - Willow

2003-01-21 16:43:54-05:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (Erich <Erichattheredeye@hotmail.com>)


"William George Ferguson" <william.george.ferguson@domail.maricopa.edu> wrote in message news:5kcr2vks2gkhsdd1fldvbkp51bpncc97la@4ax.com... > On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:25:40 -0500, "Erich" > <Erichattheredeye@hotmail.com> wrote: > > >(Spoilers for Potential) > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she were to > >die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two > >things: > > > >1) Everyone on the cast operating under this assumption is mistaken, and > >Joss's previous statement of the slayer line now running through Faith still > >holds true. The only way we will know that this is true or not is if a) > >Buffy were to die and nothing happens, or b) a soothsayer, or some mystical > >source, on the show says contrary to what the main cast seems to believe. > > > >or > > > >2) They're correct, and Joss changed his mind. This, of course, means that > >there's then a third slayer running around the world somewhere. But you'd > >think that the coven/bringers/FE would've picked up on that by now. > > or > > 3) Just because the cast knows it doesn't mean the characters know it. > The characters clearly believe that Buffy dying will call a new > Slayer, but their believing it doesn't make it so (also doesn't make > it not so). What? That was my #1. By cast, I mean characters, I don't care what SMG or any of them know about upcoming storylines, that doesn't matter. - Erich

2003-01-21 16:43:54-05:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (Erich <Erichattheredeye@hotmail.com>)


"William George Ferguson" <william.george.ferguson@domail.maricopa.edu> wrote in message news:5kcr2vks2gkhsdd1fldvbkp51bpncc97la@4ax.com... > On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:25:40 -0500, "Erich" > <Erichattheredeye@hotmail.com> wrote: > > >(Spoilers for Potential) > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she were to > >die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two > >things: > > > >1) Everyone on the cast operating under this assumption is mistaken, and > >Joss's previous statement of the slayer line now running through Faith still > >holds true. The only way we will know that this is true or not is if a) > >Buffy were to die and nothing happens, or b) a soothsayer, or some mystical > >source, on the show says contrary to what the main cast seems to believe. > > > >or > > > >2) They're correct, and Joss changed his mind. This, of course, means that > >there's then a third slayer running around the world somewhere. But you'd > >think that the coven/bringers/FE would've picked up on that by now. > > or > > 3) Just because the cast knows it doesn't mean the characters know it. > The characters clearly believe that Buffy dying will call a new > Slayer, but their believing it doesn't make it so (also doesn't make > it not so). What? That was my #1. By cast, I mean characters, I don't care what SMG or any of them know about upcoming storylines, that doesn't matter. - Erich

2003-01-21 17:19:10-06:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <3E2DA415.A1AFCBAA@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > Sam wrote: > > > > "Erich" <Erichattheredeye@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > I'm betting it's going to turn out to be the first one. I seriously > > doubt they'll be introducing *another* Slayer, so this is probably > > just Buffy et al being mistaken, and we'll find out later that it's > > Faith who has to die to pass on the Slayer power. > > > > Also, Rebecca Rand Kirschner may have just messed up. > > If there was another Slayer, it would also be one of Morphys targets. It > would have to be a part of the current arc, or the whole arc wouldn't > make any sense. It may be part of the arc. You've only seen 50% of the season so far.

2003-01-21 17:19:10-06:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <3E2DA415.A1AFCBAA@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > Sam wrote: > > > > "Erich" <Erichattheredeye@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > I'm betting it's going to turn out to be the first one. I seriously > > doubt they'll be introducing *another* Slayer, so this is probably > > just Buffy et al being mistaken, and we'll find out later that it's > > Faith who has to die to pass on the Slayer power. > > > > Also, Rebecca Rand Kirschner may have just messed up. > > If there was another Slayer, it would also be one of Morphys targets. It > would have to be a part of the current arc, or the whole arc wouldn't > make any sense. It may be part of the arc. You've only seen 50% of the season so far.

2003-01-21 17:19:40-06:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <pan.2003.01.21.12.27.32.466250@netspace.net.au-nospam->, "Bingus" <bingus@netspace.net.au-nospam-> wrote: > On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:25:40 +0000, Erich wrote: > > Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she > > were to die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two > > things: > > If thats the case, why wasn't one called when she jumped to her death in > The Gift? It makes no sense. Maybe another Slayer was called. We don't know.

2003-01-21 17:19:40-06:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <pan.2003.01.21.12.27.32.466250@netspace.net.au-nospam->, "Bingus" <bingus@netspace.net.au-nospam-> wrote: > On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:25:40 +0000, Erich wrote: > > Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she > > were to die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two > > things: > > If thats the case, why wasn't one called when she jumped to her death in > The Gift? It makes no sense. Maybe another Slayer was called. We don't know.

2003-01-21 17:22:10-06:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <5t0r2vcifhlcs1l9r702sbm9n6v3kdcs5v@4ax.com>, EGK <egk_nospam_@hotmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:17:17 -0600, Darwin Fish <a@a.edu> wrote: > >Why do you think that they know for certain that a third Slayer wasn't > >called? They don't have access to the writer's public statements. All > >they can do is base their thoughts on prior experience. In the past its > >always been, "One Slayer dies another is called". > > I didn't say they dont know for certain. That's the point. No one even > bothers to mention the possibilities. Since they know Buffy died diving > off the tower, you'd think they'd expect there to be another slayer given > their comments in this episode. I agree. It seems like there's some kind of willful blindness going on. Either this is an example of really bad writing or there's some weird plot twist on the horizon.

2003-01-21 17:22:10-06:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <5t0r2vcifhlcs1l9r702sbm9n6v3kdcs5v@4ax.com>, EGK <egk_nospam_@hotmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:17:17 -0600, Darwin Fish <a@a.edu> wrote: > >Why do you think that they know for certain that a third Slayer wasn't > >called? They don't have access to the writer's public statements. All > >they can do is base their thoughts on prior experience. In the past its > >always been, "One Slayer dies another is called". > > I didn't say they dont know for certain. That's the point. No one even > bothers to mention the possibilities. Since they know Buffy died diving > off the tower, you'd think they'd expect there to be another slayer given > their comments in this episode. I agree. It seems like there's some kind of willful blindness going on. Either this is an example of really bad writing or there's some weird plot twist on the horizon.

2003-01-21 17:23:41-06:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <3E2D6458.BDB378AC@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > Niels Leenheer wrote: > > Perhaps one was called and we simply haven't seen her yet. > > Just because it hasn't happened on screen doesn't mean it hasn't > > happened. > > > > Niels > > The coven keeps calling to tell Buffy about Potential Slayers. Don't you > think their seer would have mentioned another Slayer by now? Not if the spell they are doing only locates potential Slayers. You won't get the right answer if you don't ask the right question.

2003-01-21 17:23:41-06:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (BTR1701 <BTR1702@ix.netcom.com>)


In article <3E2D6458.BDB378AC@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > Niels Leenheer wrote: > > Perhaps one was called and we simply haven't seen her yet. > > Just because it hasn't happened on screen doesn't mean it hasn't > > happened. > > > > Niels > > The coven keeps calling to tell Buffy about Potential Slayers. Don't you > think their seer would have mentioned another Slayer by now? Not if the spell they are doing only locates potential Slayers. You won't get the right answer if you don't ask the right question.

2003-01-21 21:31:14+01:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (Niels Leenheer <niels@creatype.nl>)


"Carmikl" wrote: > Niels Leenheer wrote: > > > > "Bingus" wrote > > > On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:25:40 +0000, Erich wrote: > > > > > > > (Spoilers for Potential) > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she > > were to > > > > die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two > > > > things: > > > > > > If thats the case, why wasn't one called when she jumped to her death in > > > The Gift? It makes no sense. > > > > Perhaps one was called and we simply haven't seen her yet. > > Just because it hasn't happened on screen doesn't mean it hasn't happened. > > > > Niels > > The coven keeps calling to tell Buffy about Potential Slayers. Don't you > think their seer would have mentioned another Slayer by now? The seer did know a new potential was in town, but didn't know Eve was already dead. And also despite the seer has been looking for potentials for a while she didn't know about Amanda for at least a couple of weeks after she started the search. That's the thing about visions, prophecies and seers, they tend to be a little inaccurate, incomplete, not always understandable and sometimes even completely false. Since the seer of the coven doesn't have a particular good track record I don't think it is unlikely the seer just doesn't know about a third slayer. On the other hand, perhaps the scoobies are just wrong and Buffy's death won 't call a new slayer. Guess we will have to wait to find out. Niels

2003-01-21 21:31:14+01:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (Niels Leenheer <niels@creatype.nl>)


"Carmikl" wrote: > Niels Leenheer wrote: > > > > "Bingus" wrote > > > On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:25:40 +0000, Erich wrote: > > > > > > > (Spoilers for Potential) > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > . > > > > Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she > > were to > > > > die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two > > > > things: > > > > > > If thats the case, why wasn't one called when she jumped to her death in > > > The Gift? It makes no sense. > > > > Perhaps one was called and we simply haven't seen her yet. > > Just because it hasn't happened on screen doesn't mean it hasn't happened. > > > > Niels > > The coven keeps calling to tell Buffy about Potential Slayers. Don't you > think their seer would have mentioned another Slayer by now? The seer did know a new potential was in town, but didn't know Eve was already dead. And also despite the seer has been looking for potentials for a while she didn't know about Amanda for at least a couple of weeks after she started the search. That's the thing about visions, prophecies and seers, they tend to be a little inaccurate, incomplete, not always understandable and sometimes even completely false. Since the seer of the coven doesn't have a particular good track record I don't think it is unlikely the seer just doesn't know about a third slayer. On the other hand, perhaps the scoobies are just wrong and Buffy's death won 't call a new slayer. Guess we will have to wait to find out. Niels

2003-01-21 21:53:11+01:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (Michael Dracon <MichaelDracon@hotmail.com>)


Erich wrote: > (Spoilers for Potential) > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she were to > die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two > things: > > 1) Everyone on the cast operating under this assumption is mistaken, and > Joss's previous statement of the slayer line now running through Faith still > holds true. The only way we will know that this is true or not is if a) > Buffy were to die and nothing happens, or b) a soothsayer, or some mystical > source, on the show says contrary to what the main cast seems to believe. > > or > > 2) They're correct, and Joss changed his mind. This, of course, means that > there's then a third slayer running around the world somewhere. But you'd > think that the coven/bringers/FE would've picked up on that by now. > > - Erich > OR 3: Buffy knows she will not spawn a new slayer and is merely saying it to inspire the troops. Also, if Buffy does still spawn a new slayer, why didn't they locate the new one after Buffy died the second time? If they can do a spell to locate a potential, surely they can do a spell to locate a real slayer...

2003-01-21 21:53:11+01:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (Michael Dracon <MichaelDracon@hotmail.com>)


Erich wrote: > (Spoilers for Potential) > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she were to > die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two > things: > > 1) Everyone on the cast operating under this assumption is mistaken, and > Joss's previous statement of the slayer line now running through Faith still > holds true. The only way we will know that this is true or not is if a) > Buffy were to die and nothing happens, or b) a soothsayer, or some mystical > source, on the show says contrary to what the main cast seems to believe. > > or > > 2) They're correct, and Joss changed his mind. This, of course, means that > there's then a third slayer running around the world somewhere. But you'd > think that the coven/bringers/FE would've picked up on that by now. > > - Erich > OR 3: Buffy knows she will not spawn a new slayer and is merely saying it to inspire the troops. Also, if Buffy does still spawn a new slayer, why didn't they locate the new one after Buffy died the second time? If they can do a spell to locate a potential, surely they can do a spell to locate a real slayer...

2003-01-21 23:27:33+11:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (Bingus <bingus@netspace.net.au-nospam->)


On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:25:40 +0000, Erich wrote: > (Spoilers for Potential) > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she were to > die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two > things: If thats the case, why wasn't one called when she jumped to her death in The Gift? It makes no sense. Bingus

2003-01-21 23:27:33+11:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (Bingus <bingus@netspace.net.au-nospam->)


On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:25:40 +0000, Erich wrote: > (Spoilers for Potential) > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she were to > die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two > things: If thats the case, why wasn't one called when she jumped to her death in The Gift? It makes no sense. Bingus

2003-01-21 23:45:26-06:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)


In article <3e2e2333.5055672@news.fu-berlin.de>, Sam James <samjames1NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 23:27:33 +1100, "Bingus" > <bingus@netspace.net.au-nospam-> wrote: > > >On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:25:40 +0000, Erich wrote: > > > >> (Spoilers for Potential) > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she were > >> to > >> die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two > >> things: > > > >If thats the case, why wasn't one called when she jumped to her death in > >The Gift? It makes no sense. > > If that's the case, and the in-show evidence now favors this, then a > third slayer would have been called after The Gift. The fact that we > haven't seen her doesn't mean that she doesn't exist. There was no > mention of Kendra or Faith before they popped up in Sunnydale either. Or maybe the lack of a third Slayer was the clue that told the First that there is something screwed up with the Slayer succession that gave it the opportunity to do away with the Slayers for good. > -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

2003-01-21 23:45:26-06:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)


In article <3e2e2333.5055672@news.fu-berlin.de>, Sam James <samjames1NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 23:27:33 +1100, "Bingus" > <bingus@netspace.net.au-nospam-> wrote: > > >On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:25:40 +0000, Erich wrote: > > > >> (Spoilers for Potential) > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> . > >> Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she were > >> to > >> die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two > >> things: > > > >If thats the case, why wasn't one called when she jumped to her death in > >The Gift? It makes no sense. > > If that's the case, and the in-show evidence now favors this, then a > third slayer would have been called after The Gift. The fact that we > haven't seen her doesn't mean that she doesn't exist. There was no > mention of Kendra or Faith before they popped up in Sunnydale either. Or maybe the lack of a third Slayer was the clue that told the First that there is something screwed up with the Slayer succession that gave it the opportunity to do away with the Slayers for good. > -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

2003-01-22 00:29:12-05:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (David Marc Nieporent <nieporen@alumni.princeton.edu>)


In article <pan.2003.01.21.12.27.32.466250@netspace.net.au-nospam->, "Bingus" <bingus@netspace.net.au-nospam-> wrote: >On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:25:40 +0000, Erich wrote: >> (Spoilers for Potential) >> Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she were to >> die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two >> things: >If thats the case, why wasn't one called when she jumped to her death in >The Gift? It makes no sense. Who says one wasn't called when she jumped to her death in the Gift? --------------------------------------------- David M. Nieporent nieporen@alumni.princeton.edu

2003-01-22 00:29:12-05:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (David Marc Nieporent <nieporen@alumni.princeton.edu>)


In article <pan.2003.01.21.12.27.32.466250@netspace.net.au-nospam->, "Bingus" <bingus@netspace.net.au-nospam-> wrote: >On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:25:40 +0000, Erich wrote: >> (Spoilers for Potential) >> Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she were to >> die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two >> things: >If thats the case, why wasn't one called when she jumped to her death in >The Gift? It makes no sense. Who says one wasn't called when she jumped to her death in the Gift? --------------------------------------------- David M. Nieporent nieporen@alumni.princeton.edu

2003-01-22 00:34:39-05:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (David Marc Nieporent <nieporen@alumni.princeton.edu>)


In article <blcr2vsk19tbkcudekouh8438l38lc5c64@4ax.com>, Michael Dracon <MichaelDracon@hotmail.com> wrote: >OR 3: >Buffy knows she will not spawn a new slayer and is merely saying it to inspire >the troops. No. The FE (as Eve) also said it, as did the Mayor. The FE might have been lying for some reason, but there was no reason, in the context of that scene, for the Mayor to lie. >Also, if Buffy does still spawn a new slayer, why didn't they locate the new >one after Buffy died the second time? If they can do a spell to locate a >potential, surely they can do a spell to locate a real slayer... Maybe or maybe not. The spell used by Willow in this episode is clearly localized. It wouldn't work -- or at least wouldn't be of any use -- if the slayer is outside of town. And they didn't know the coven/seer then. --------------------------------------------- David M. Nieporent nieporen@alumni.princeton.edu

2003-01-22 00:34:39-05:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (David Marc Nieporent <nieporen@alumni.princeton.edu>)


In article <blcr2vsk19tbkcudekouh8438l38lc5c64@4ax.com>, Michael Dracon <MichaelDracon@hotmail.com> wrote: >OR 3: >Buffy knows she will not spawn a new slayer and is merely saying it to inspire >the troops. No. The FE (as Eve) also said it, as did the Mayor. The FE might have been lying for some reason, but there was no reason, in the context of that scene, for the Mayor to lie. >Also, if Buffy does still spawn a new slayer, why didn't they locate the new >one after Buffy died the second time? If they can do a spell to locate a >potential, surely they can do a spell to locate a real slayer... Maybe or maybe not. The spell used by Willow in this episode is clearly localized. It wouldn't work -- or at least wouldn't be of any use -- if the slayer is outside of town. And they didn't know the coven/seer then. --------------------------------------------- David M. Nieporent nieporen@alumni.princeton.edu

2003-01-22 05:16:45+00:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (samjames1NOSPAM@yahoo.com)


On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 23:27:33 +1100, "Bingus" <bingus@netspace.net.au-nospam-> wrote: >On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:25:40 +0000, Erich wrote: > >> (Spoilers for Potential) >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she were to >> die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two >> things: > >If thats the case, why wasn't one called when she jumped to her death in >The Gift? It makes no sense. If that's the case, and the in-show evidence now favors this, then a third slayer would have been called after The Gift. The fact that we haven't seen her doesn't mean that she doesn't exist. There was no mention of Kendra or Faith before they popped up in Sunnydale either.

2003-01-22 05:16:45+00:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (samjames1NOSPAM@yahoo.com)


On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 23:27:33 +1100, "Bingus" <bingus@netspace.net.au-nospam-> wrote: >On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:25:40 +0000, Erich wrote: > >> (Spoilers for Potential) >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she were to >> die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two >> things: > >If thats the case, why wasn't one called when she jumped to her death in >The Gift? It makes no sense. If that's the case, and the in-show evidence now favors this, then a third slayer would have been called after The Gift. The fact that we haven't seen her doesn't mean that she doesn't exist. There was no mention of Kendra or Faith before they popped up in Sunnydale either.

2003-01-22 05:16:46+00:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (samjames1NOSPAM@yahoo.com)


On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 07:16:40 -0800, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: >Niels Leenheer wrote: >> >> "Bingus" wrote >> > On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:25:40 +0000, Erich wrote: >> > >> > > (Spoilers for Potential) >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she >> were to >> > > die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two >> > > things: >> > >> > If thats the case, why wasn't one called when she jumped to her death in >> > The Gift? It makes no sense. >> >> Perhaps one was called and we simply haven't seen her yet. >> Just because it hasn't happened on screen doesn't mean it hasn't happened. >> >> Niels > >The coven keeps calling to tell Buffy about Potential Slayers. Don't you >think their seer would have mentioned another Slayer by now? Nope. The only reason why Buffy is told about the Potentials is so that she could protect them. Presumably, the Third Slayer is Slayer enough to protect herself (and maybe her own crop of SITs, it would make more sense than putting all the eggs in the Sunnydale basket).

2003-01-22 05:16:46+00:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (samjames1NOSPAM@yahoo.com)


On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 07:16:40 -0800, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: >Niels Leenheer wrote: >> >> "Bingus" wrote >> > On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:25:40 +0000, Erich wrote: >> > >> > > (Spoilers for Potential) >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > . >> > > Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she >> were to >> > > die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two >> > > things: >> > >> > If thats the case, why wasn't one called when she jumped to her death in >> > The Gift? It makes no sense. >> >> Perhaps one was called and we simply haven't seen her yet. >> Just because it hasn't happened on screen doesn't mean it hasn't happened. >> >> Niels > >The coven keeps calling to tell Buffy about Potential Slayers. Don't you >think their seer would have mentioned another Slayer by now? Nope. The only reason why Buffy is told about the Potentials is so that she could protect them. Presumably, the Third Slayer is Slayer enough to protect herself (and maybe her own crop of SITs, it would make more sense than putting all the eggs in the Sunnydale basket).

2003-01-22 05:16:47+00:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (samjames1NOSPAM@yahoo.com)


On 21 Jan 2003 10:01:47 -0800, sam_14042@yahoo.com (Sam) wrote: >"Erich" <Erichattheredeye@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<v2qcm3hg5cgs78@corp.supernews.com>... >> (Spoilers for Potential) >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she were to >> die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two >> things: >> >> 1) Everyone on the cast operating under this assumption is mistaken, and >> Joss's previous statement of the slayer line now running through Faith still >> holds true. The only way we will know that this is true or not is if a) >> Buffy were to die and nothing happens, or b) a soothsayer, or some mystical >> source, on the show says contrary to what the main cast seems to believe. >> >> or >> >> 2) They're correct, and Joss changed his mind. This, of course, means that >> there's then a third slayer running around the world somewhere. But you'd >> think that the coven/bringers/FE would've picked up on that by now. >> >> - Erich > >I'm betting it's going to turn out to be the first one. I seriously >doubt they'll be introducing *another* Slayer, so this is probably >just Buffy et al being mistaken, and we'll find out later that it's >Faith who has to die to pass on the Slayer power. > >Also, Rebecca Rand Kirschner may have just messed up. Since I doubt she snuck her script to the actors without going through several editors (especially as this was an arc episode) I highly doubt they would have missed such a key point.

2003-01-22 05:16:47+00:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (samjames1NOSPAM@yahoo.com)


On 21 Jan 2003 10:01:47 -0800, sam_14042@yahoo.com (Sam) wrote: >"Erich" <Erichattheredeye@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<v2qcm3hg5cgs78@corp.supernews.com>... >> (Spoilers for Potential) >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> . >> Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she were to >> die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two >> things: >> >> 1) Everyone on the cast operating under this assumption is mistaken, and >> Joss's previous statement of the slayer line now running through Faith still >> holds true. The only way we will know that this is true or not is if a) >> Buffy were to die and nothing happens, or b) a soothsayer, or some mystical >> source, on the show says contrary to what the main cast seems to believe. >> >> or >> >> 2) They're correct, and Joss changed his mind. This, of course, means that >> there's then a third slayer running around the world somewhere. But you'd >> think that the coven/bringers/FE would've picked up on that by now. >> >> - Erich > >I'm betting it's going to turn out to be the first one. I seriously >doubt they'll be introducing *another* Slayer, so this is probably >just Buffy et al being mistaken, and we'll find out later that it's >Faith who has to die to pass on the Slayer power. > >Also, Rebecca Rand Kirschner may have just messed up. Since I doubt she snuck her script to the actors without going through several editors (especially as this was an arc episode) I highly doubt they would have missed such a key point.

2003-02-01 13:31:47-05:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (Tyler Sherkin <t_sherkin@hotmail.com>)


Or that Buffy isn't actually the Slayer line anymore, and Faith is, as is intimated by the fact that none was called to Sunnydale when she died like when Kendra and Faith came. s "Michelle Smith" <MMSmith9@attbi.com> wrote in message news:bkU_9.123583$AV4.3537@sccrnsc01... > . > . > . > .. > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > .. > I think he's saying it's possible one WAS called. We just haven't seen her > yet. She's wandering the world somewhere. > > > "Bingus" <bingus@netspace.net.au-nospam-> wrote in message > news:pan.2003.01.21.12.27.32.466250@netspace.net.au-nospam-... > > On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:25:40 +0000, Erich wrote: > > > > > (Spoilers for Potential) > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she > were to > > > die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two > > > things: > > > > If thats the case, why wasn't one called when she jumped to her death in > > The Gift? It makes no sense. > > > > Bingus > >

2003-02-01 13:31:47-05:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (Tyler Sherkin <t_sherkin@hotmail.com>)


Or that Buffy isn't actually the Slayer line anymore, and Faith is, as is intimated by the fact that none was called to Sunnydale when she died like when Kendra and Faith came. s "Michelle Smith" <MMSmith9@attbi.com> wrote in message news:bkU_9.123583$AV4.3537@sccrnsc01... > . > . > . > .. > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > . > .. > I think he's saying it's possible one WAS called. We just haven't seen her > yet. She's wandering the world somewhere. > > > "Bingus" <bingus@netspace.net.au-nospam-> wrote in message > news:pan.2003.01.21.12.27.32.466250@netspace.net.au-nospam-... > > On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:25:40 +0000, Erich wrote: > > > > > (Spoilers for Potential) > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she > were to > > > die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two > > > things: > > > > If thats the case, why wasn't one called when she jumped to her death in > > The Gift? It makes no sense. > > > > Bingus > >

2003-02-01 16:11:34-08:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (graberc@yahoo.com)


"Niels Leenheer" <niels@creatype.nl> wrote in message news:<3e2d547f$0$49100$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>... > "Bingus" wrote > > On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:25:40 +0000, Erich wrote: > > > > > (Spoilers for Potential) > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she > were to > > > die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two > > > things: > > > > If thats the case, why wasn't one called when she jumped to her death in > > The Gift? It makes no sense. > > Perhaps one was called and we simply haven't seen her yet. > Just because it hasn't happened on screen doesn't mean it hasn't happened. > > Niels That would be a little. . .jump the shark (buffy manufacturing slayers). . .I preffer to belive that the buffy gang may assume her death brings one of them. . .but no one remembers faith? This season is a little off. . .the slayer line is with faith. . .at least that makes sense.

2003-02-01 16:11:34-08:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (graberc@yahoo.com)


"Niels Leenheer" <niels@creatype.nl> wrote in message news:<3e2d547f$0$49100$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>... > "Bingus" wrote > > On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:25:40 +0000, Erich wrote: > > > > > (Spoilers for Potential) > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she > were to > > > die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two > > > things: > > > > If thats the case, why wasn't one called when she jumped to her death in > > The Gift? It makes no sense. > > Perhaps one was called and we simply haven't seen her yet. > Just because it hasn't happened on screen doesn't mean it hasn't happened. > > Niels That would be a little. . .jump the shark (buffy manufacturing slayers). . .I preffer to belive that the buffy gang may assume her death brings one of them. . .but no one remembers faith? This season is a little off. . .the slayer line is with faith. . .at least that makes sense.

2003-02-01 18:27:20+00:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (Michelle Smith <MMSmith9@attbi.com>)


. . . .. . . . . . . . . .. I think he's saying it's possible one WAS called. We just haven't seen her yet. She's wandering the world somewhere. "Bingus" <bingus@netspace.net.au-nospam-> wrote in message news:pan.2003.01.21.12.27.32.466250@netspace.net.au-nospam-... > On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:25:40 +0000, Erich wrote: > > > (Spoilers for Potential) > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she were to > > die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two > > things: > > If thats the case, why wasn't one called when she jumped to her death in > The Gift? It makes no sense. > > Bingus

2003-02-01 18:27:20+00:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (Michelle Smith <MMSmith9@attbi.com>)


. . . .. . . . . . . . . .. I think he's saying it's possible one WAS called. We just haven't seen her yet. She's wandering the world somewhere. "Bingus" <bingus@netspace.net.au-nospam-> wrote in message news:pan.2003.01.21.12.27.32.466250@netspace.net.au-nospam-... > On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 06:25:40 +0000, Erich wrote: > > > (Spoilers for Potential) > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > . > > Okay. So throughout this episode, it's referred to Buffy that if she were to > > die again, one of the potentials is to be called. This means one of two > > things: > > If thats the case, why wasn't one called when she jumped to her death in > The Gift? It makes no sense. > > Bingus

2003-02-01 21:20:28+00:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (angelbsbl@cs.com)


In article <b1h3rh$ijf$1@informer1.cis.mcmaster.ca>, "Tyler Sherkin" <t_sherkin@hotmail.com> writes: >Or that Buffy isn't actually the Slayer line anymore, and Faith is, as is >intimated by the fact that none was called to Sunnydale when she died like >when Kendra and Faith came. If Buffy wasn't still the slayer, or a slayer, after Faith was called, would her blood have saved Angel? Faith AKA ClayeSkye #4 Head of EAC Education/Re-education Division Vice-President, Spells Division

2003-02-01 21:20:28+00:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (angelbsbl@cs.com)


In article <b1h3rh$ijf$1@informer1.cis.mcmaster.ca>, "Tyler Sherkin" <t_sherkin@hotmail.com> writes: >Or that Buffy isn't actually the Slayer line anymore, and Faith is, as is >intimated by the fact that none was called to Sunnydale when she died like >when Kendra and Faith came. If Buffy wasn't still the slayer, or a slayer, after Faith was called, would her blood have saved Angel? Faith AKA ClayeSkye #4 Head of EAC Education/Re-education Division Vice-President, Spells Division

2003-02-02 02:20:12+00:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (Dan McEwen <dannyboymcny@aol.com>)


"Tyler Sherkin" <t_sherkin@hotmail.com> wrote in news:b1h3rh$ijf$1@informer1.cis.mcmaster.ca: > Or that Buffy isn't actually the Slayer line anymore, and Faith is, > as is intimated by the fact that none was called to Sunnydale when > she died like when Kendra and Faith came. OTOH, if she was a proto-Slayer who was never discovered by the CoW, exactly what would bring her to Sunnydale? -- Dan a.a. #1617

2003-02-02 02:20:12+00:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (Dan McEwen <dannyboymcny@aol.com>)


"Tyler Sherkin" <t_sherkin@hotmail.com> wrote in news:b1h3rh$ijf$1@informer1.cis.mcmaster.ca: > Or that Buffy isn't actually the Slayer line anymore, and Faith is, > as is intimated by the fact that none was called to Sunnydale when > she died like when Kendra and Faith came. OTOH, if she was a proto-Slayer who was never discovered by the CoW, exactly what would bring her to Sunnydale? -- Dan a.a. #1617

2003-02-02 13:33:52-08:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (vicless@attbi.com)


William George Ferguson <william.george.ferguson@domail.maricopa.edu> wrote in message news:<5kcr2vks2gkhsdd1fldvbkp51bpncc97la@4ax.com>... > >(Spoilers for Potential) > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > The characters clearly believe that Buffy dying will call a new > Slayer, but their believing it doesn't make it so (also doesn't make > it not so). The problem, as stated multiple times is this: If they believe Buffy's death would result (or even might result) in another slayer, they ought to be looking for the slayer activated by her death at the end of season 5, especially given the First's intentions. They ought to be mentioning this on screen. Furthermore, believing that Buffy's death would result in another slayer is okay in itself. What's more troubling is their inability to seem to imagine that Faith's death either instead of Buffy's or as well as Buffy's should call forth another slayer as well. As to what is really true, who knows? Don Sample (I think?) suggested that maybe Buffy's last death, being "mystical" screwed up the calling of another slayer. That may be. I think the writers are sacrificing logic in the name of drama, because it strikes them as dramatic, having all the potentials (including, for a while, Dawn) imagining Buffy's death as the only route to their own purpose in life. Thinking about Faith makes things messy and less intense. Personally? I still think they should have gone with the idea that a slayer is called when there is an absence of "slayerness" in the world. In other words, Buffy's death called Kendra, but Kendra's death shouldn't have called anyone because Buffy was already there to provide slayerness in the world (likewise, if Buffy had died while Kendra was still alive, her second death wouldn't have called anyone either). Much cleaner. Then Kendra would have been a true aberration, and Buffy could have gone back to being the "one girl in all the world," doing her sacred, lonely duty. Yes, we wouldn't have gotten Faith (though maybe they could have brought on a Potential or somesuch to do much the same job), and Faith did grow on me, but I still think that would have been the better route to go, dramatically. Victoria L.

2003-02-02 13:33:52-08:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (vicless@attbi.com)


William George Ferguson <william.george.ferguson@domail.maricopa.edu> wrote in message news:<5kcr2vks2gkhsdd1fldvbkp51bpncc97la@4ax.com>... > >(Spoilers for Potential) > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > >. > The characters clearly believe that Buffy dying will call a new > Slayer, but their believing it doesn't make it so (also doesn't make > it not so). The problem, as stated multiple times is this: If they believe Buffy's death would result (or even might result) in another slayer, they ought to be looking for the slayer activated by her death at the end of season 5, especially given the First's intentions. They ought to be mentioning this on screen. Furthermore, believing that Buffy's death would result in another slayer is okay in itself. What's more troubling is their inability to seem to imagine that Faith's death either instead of Buffy's or as well as Buffy's should call forth another slayer as well. As to what is really true, who knows? Don Sample (I think?) suggested that maybe Buffy's last death, being "mystical" screwed up the calling of another slayer. That may be. I think the writers are sacrificing logic in the name of drama, because it strikes them as dramatic, having all the potentials (including, for a while, Dawn) imagining Buffy's death as the only route to their own purpose in life. Thinking about Faith makes things messy and less intense. Personally? I still think they should have gone with the idea that a slayer is called when there is an absence of "slayerness" in the world. In other words, Buffy's death called Kendra, but Kendra's death shouldn't have called anyone because Buffy was already there to provide slayerness in the world (likewise, if Buffy had died while Kendra was still alive, her second death wouldn't have called anyone either). Much cleaner. Then Kendra would have been a true aberration, and Buffy could have gone back to being the "one girl in all the world," doing her sacred, lonely duty. Yes, we wouldn't have gotten Faith (though maybe they could have brought on a Potential or somesuch to do much the same job), and Faith did grow on me, but I still think that would have been the better route to go, dramatically. Victoria L.

2003-02-02 17:21:58-06:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (Darwin Fish <a@a.edu>)


In article <25852364.0302021333.5a1bfde6@posting.google.com>, vicless@attbi.com (Victoria) wrote: > > Personally? I still think they should have gone with the idea that a > slayer is called when there is an absence of "slayerness" in the > world. In other words, Buffy's death called Kendra, but Kendra's > death shouldn't have called anyone because Buffy was already there to > provide slayerness in the world (likewise, if Buffy had died while > Kendra was still alive, her second death wouldn't have called anyone > either). Much cleaner. Then Kendra would have been a true > aberration, and Buffy could have gone back to being the "one girl in > all the world," doing her sacred, lonely duty. Yes, we wouldn't have > gotten Faith (though maybe they could have brought on a Potential or > somesuch to do much the same job), and Faith did grow on me, but I > still think that would have been the better route to go, dramatically. > Excellent idea! What they could have done (should have done) was have Kendra visit not as a Slayer but as a SIT. The storyline could have remained exactly the same for the most part. Maybe Kendra was seen as the most promising SIT and the COW sent her to Sunnydale to train with the real thing. Then... when Faith arrives in season three as the second Slayer it would be revealed that Buffy's death triggered her calling (instead of Kendra) and the Watchers had been sending her around the world putting out small demonic fires while Buffy guards the Hellmouth. Under such a situation they'd be no confusion about the Slayer's line or such since we wouldn't know what would happen if either of the girls died.... it just be up in the air. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Let the Darwin Fishes swim! www.darwin-fish.com/fish.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------

2003-02-02 17:21:58-06:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (Darwin Fish <a@a.edu>)


In article <25852364.0302021333.5a1bfde6@posting.google.com>, vicless@attbi.com (Victoria) wrote: > > Personally? I still think they should have gone with the idea that a > slayer is called when there is an absence of "slayerness" in the > world. In other words, Buffy's death called Kendra, but Kendra's > death shouldn't have called anyone because Buffy was already there to > provide slayerness in the world (likewise, if Buffy had died while > Kendra was still alive, her second death wouldn't have called anyone > either). Much cleaner. Then Kendra would have been a true > aberration, and Buffy could have gone back to being the "one girl in > all the world," doing her sacred, lonely duty. Yes, we wouldn't have > gotten Faith (though maybe they could have brought on a Potential or > somesuch to do much the same job), and Faith did grow on me, but I > still think that would have been the better route to go, dramatically. > Excellent idea! What they could have done (should have done) was have Kendra visit not as a Slayer but as a SIT. The storyline could have remained exactly the same for the most part. Maybe Kendra was seen as the most promising SIT and the COW sent her to Sunnydale to train with the real thing. Then... when Faith arrives in season three as the second Slayer it would be revealed that Buffy's death triggered her calling (instead of Kendra) and the Watchers had been sending her around the world putting out small demonic fires while Buffy guards the Hellmouth. Under such a situation they'd be no confusion about the Slayer's line or such since we wouldn't know what would happen if either of the girls died.... it just be up in the air. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Let the Darwin Fishes swim! www.darwin-fish.com/fish.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------

2003-02-03 16:43:53-08:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (vicless@attbi.com)


Darwin Fish <a@a.edu> wrote in message news:<a-9FE514.17215802022003@husk.cso.niu.edu>... > In article <25852364.0302021333.5a1bfde6@posting.google.com>, > vicless@attbi.com (Victoria) wrote: > > > > > > Personally? I still think they should have gone with the idea that a > > slayer is called when there is an absence of "slayerness" in the > > world. In other words, Buffy's death called Kendra, but Kendra's > > death shouldn't have called anyone because Buffy was already there to > > provide slayerness in the world (likewise, if Buffy had died while > > Kendra was still alive, her second death wouldn't have called anyone > > either). Much cleaner. Then Kendra would have been a true > > aberration, and Buffy could have gone back to being the "one girl in > > all the world," doing her sacred, lonely duty. Yes, we wouldn't have > > gotten Faith (though maybe they could have brought on a Potential or > > somesuch to do much the same job), and Faith did grow on me, but I > > still think that would have been the better route to go, dramatically. > > > > Excellent idea! What they could have done (should have done) was have > Kendra visit not as a Slayer but as a SIT. The storyline could have > remained exactly the same for the most part. Maybe Kendra was seen as > the most promising SIT and the COW sent her to Sunnydale to train with > the real thing. Then... when Faith arrives in season three as the second > Slayer it would be revealed that Buffy's death triggered her calling > (instead of Kendra) and the Watchers had been sending her around the > world putting out small demonic fires while Buffy guards the Hellmouth. > Under such a situation they'd be no confusion about the Slayer's line or > such since we wouldn't know what would happen if either of the girls > died.... it just be up in the air. Yup, that would have worked. If only Joss hired great thinkers like us, hmmm? Victoria L.

2003-02-03 16:43:53-08:00 - Re: Slayer Line (Spoilers) - (vicless@attbi.com)


Darwin Fish <a@a.edu> wrote in message news:<a-9FE514.17215802022003@husk.cso.niu.edu>... > In article <25852364.0302021333.5a1bfde6@posting.google.com>, > vicless@attbi.com (Victoria) wrote: > > > > > > Personally? I still think they should have gone with the idea that a > > slayer is called when there is an absence of "slayerness" in the > > world. In other words, Buffy's death called Kendra, but Kendra's > > death shouldn't have called anyone because Buffy was already there to > > provide slayerness in the world (likewise, if Buffy had died while > > Kendra was still alive, her second death wouldn't have called anyone > > either). Much cleaner. Then Kendra would have been a true > > aberration, and Buffy could have gone back to being the "one girl in > > all the world," doing her sacred, lonely duty. Yes, we wouldn't have > > gotten Faith (though maybe they could have brought on a Potential or > > somesuch to do much the same job), and Faith did grow on me, but I > > still think that would have been the better route to go, dramatically. > > > > Excellent idea! What they could have done (should have done) was have > Kendra visit not as a Slayer but as a SIT. The storyline could have > remained exactly the same for the most part. Maybe Kendra was seen as > the most promising SIT and the COW sent her to Sunnydale to train with > the real thing. Then... when Faith arrives in season three as the second > Slayer it would be revealed that Buffy's death triggered her calling > (instead of Kendra) and the Watchers had been sending her around the > world putting out small demonic fires while Buffy guards the Hellmouth. > Under such a situation they'd be no confusion about the Slayer's line or > such since we wouldn't know what would happen if either of the girls > died.... it just be up in the air. Yup, that would have worked. If only Joss hired great thinkers like us, hmmm? Victoria L.