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2003-01-07 18:35:35-08:00 - Re: Slayers-in-training: More annoying than Connor and Dawn COMBINED! - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


st wrote: > > On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 20:47:25 -0500, "Rupert Pupkin" <gringo@yahoo.com> > wrote: > > >Anyone else think those stupid newbies slayers are snobby bitches? All they > >do is complain! They are quick to bitch about Buffy's plans, but what the > >hell are their ideas? Lets see the options. Stay with the real slayer or > >run away alone and die. hmmmmm > > > > Its called fear. But I'm sure you would be alot more brave. > There's an interesting phenomena that occurs in first combat, and that is the fear of being afraid is frequently more powerful than the fear of getting killed. My first day in the field someone yelled corpsman up and I was scared to death. My responsibility was to expose myself to enemy fire and drag a wounded Marine to safety then treat his wounds. The last thing I wanted to be was a coward so I did what everyone expected me to do. I figured that if I got killed at least I wouldn't be remembered as a coward. That's not a unique feeling, that's what makes many soldiers fight. I've seen it happen dozens of times. I would think the SiTs would do the same thing. They would naturally be scared, but they won't run. They'll fight and do the best they can. Once the fight starts they'll forget about being scared, then afterward they'll probably lose their lunch.

2003-01-07 18:35:35-08:00 - Re: Slayers-in-training: More annoying than Connor and Dawn COMBINED! - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


st wrote: > > On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 20:47:25 -0500, "Rupert Pupkin" <gringo@yahoo.com> > wrote: > > >Anyone else think those stupid newbies slayers are snobby bitches? All they > >do is complain! They are quick to bitch about Buffy's plans, but what the > >hell are their ideas? Lets see the options. Stay with the real slayer or > >run away alone and die. hmmmmm > > > > Its called fear. But I'm sure you would be alot more brave. > There's an interesting phenomena that occurs in first combat, and that is the fear of being afraid is frequently more powerful than the fear of getting killed. My first day in the field someone yelled corpsman up and I was scared to death. My responsibility was to expose myself to enemy fire and drag a wounded Marine to safety then treat his wounds. The last thing I wanted to be was a coward so I did what everyone expected me to do. I figured that if I got killed at least I wouldn't be remembered as a coward. That's not a unique feeling, that's what makes many soldiers fight. I've seen it happen dozens of times. I would think the SiTs would do the same thing. They would naturally be scared, but they won't run. They'll fight and do the best they can. Once the fight starts they'll forget about being scared, then afterward they'll probably lose their lunch.

2003-01-07 19:20:41-08:00 - Re: Slayers-in-training: More annoying than Connor and Dawn COMBINED! - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


st wrote: > > On Tue, 07 Jan 2003 18:35:35 -0800, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > >st wrote: > >> > >> On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 20:47:25 -0500, "Rupert Pupkin" <gringo@yahoo.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> >Anyone else think those stupid newbies slayers are snobby bitches? All they > >> >do is complain! They are quick to bitch about Buffy's plans, but what the > >> >hell are their ideas? Lets see the options. Stay with the real slayer or > >> >run away alone and die. hmmmmm > >> > > >> > >> Its called fear. But I'm sure you would be alot more brave. > >> > >There's an interesting phenomena that occurs in first combat, and that > >is the fear of being afraid is frequently more powerful than the fear of > >getting killed. My first day in the field someone yelled corpsman up and > >I was scared to death. My responsibility was to expose myself to enemy > >fire and drag a wounded Marine to safety then treat his wounds. The last > >thing I wanted to be was a coward so I did what everyone expected me to > >do. I figured that if I got killed at least I wouldn't be remembered as > >a coward. > > > >That's not a unique feeling, that's what makes many soldiers fight. I've > >seen it happen dozens of times. I would think the SiTs would do the same > >thing. They would naturally be scared, but they won't run. They'll fight > >and do the best they can. Once the fight starts they'll forget about > >being scared, then afterward they'll probably lose their lunch. > > I'm assuming a corpsman would have training of some sort and would > know what was expected of them. Also in that situation you have a > specific goal. This is an entirely different situation. > > The SITs are not soldiers, only Kennedy seems to have that mentality. > Note how she reacted much like you describe. She definitely wanted to > impress both Willow(for a different reason) and Buffy. > > They are in totally over their heads and the people giving order's > don't seem to know what to do either. I was asking myself the same > questions they were, 'what's the plan buffy?', 'what are they supposed > to do against Flintstone vamp?' > > They are soldiers, and they have been trained from a very early age. Like most Vietnam era soldiers, they are draftees and didn't ask to be in their current situation. Still, when the chips are down they will perform.

2003-01-07 19:20:41-08:00 - Re: Slayers-in-training: More annoying than Connor and Dawn COMBINED! - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


st wrote: > > On Tue, 07 Jan 2003 18:35:35 -0800, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > >st wrote: > >> > >> On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 20:47:25 -0500, "Rupert Pupkin" <gringo@yahoo.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> >Anyone else think those stupid newbies slayers are snobby bitches? All they > >> >do is complain! They are quick to bitch about Buffy's plans, but what the > >> >hell are their ideas? Lets see the options. Stay with the real slayer or > >> >run away alone and die. hmmmmm > >> > > >> > >> Its called fear. But I'm sure you would be alot more brave. > >> > >There's an interesting phenomena that occurs in first combat, and that > >is the fear of being afraid is frequently more powerful than the fear of > >getting killed. My first day in the field someone yelled corpsman up and > >I was scared to death. My responsibility was to expose myself to enemy > >fire and drag a wounded Marine to safety then treat his wounds. The last > >thing I wanted to be was a coward so I did what everyone expected me to > >do. I figured that if I got killed at least I wouldn't be remembered as > >a coward. > > > >That's not a unique feeling, that's what makes many soldiers fight. I've > >seen it happen dozens of times. I would think the SiTs would do the same > >thing. They would naturally be scared, but they won't run. They'll fight > >and do the best they can. Once the fight starts they'll forget about > >being scared, then afterward they'll probably lose their lunch. > > I'm assuming a corpsman would have training of some sort and would > know what was expected of them. Also in that situation you have a > specific goal. This is an entirely different situation. > > The SITs are not soldiers, only Kennedy seems to have that mentality. > Note how she reacted much like you describe. She definitely wanted to > impress both Willow(for a different reason) and Buffy. > > They are in totally over their heads and the people giving order's > don't seem to know what to do either. I was asking myself the same > questions they were, 'what's the plan buffy?', 'what are they supposed > to do against Flintstone vamp?' > > They are soldiers, and they have been trained from a very early age. Like most Vietnam era soldiers, they are draftees and didn't ask to be in their current situation. Still, when the chips are down they will perform.

2003-01-07 20:47:25-05:00 - Slayers-in-training: More annoying than Connor and Dawn COMBINED! - (Rupert Pupkin <gringo@yahoo.com>)


Anyone else think those stupid newbies slayers are snobby bitches? All they do is complain! They are quick to bitch about Buffy's plans, but what the hell are their ideas? Lets see the options. Stay with the real slayer or run away alone and die. hmmmmm

2003-01-07 20:47:25-05:00 - Slayers-in-training: More annoying than Connor and Dawn COMBINED! - (Rupert Pupkin <gringo@yahoo.com>)


Anyone else think those stupid newbies slayers are snobby bitches? All they do is complain! They are quick to bitch about Buffy's plans, but what the hell are their ideas? Lets see the options. Stay with the real slayer or run away alone and die. hmmmmm

2003-01-07 21:15:29-08:00 - Re: Slayers-in-training: More annoying than Connor and Dawn COMBINED! - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


st wrote: > > On Tue, 07 Jan 2003 19:20:41 -0800, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > >They are soldiers, and they have been trained from a very early age. > > Not all of them. And none of them has even seen a vampire. Soldiers > tend to have experience with seeing people before they go into battle. No amount of training can prepare a soldier for the first time the bullets are real. > > >Like most Vietnam era soldiers, they are draftees and didn't ask to be > >in their current situation. Still, when the chips are down they will > >perform. > > But the chips aren't down yet. They are acting like scared recruits > with no sense of direction, which makes perfect sense. > Kennedy seemed like a natural leader. The others would have fallen in line behind her.

2003-01-07 21:15:29-08:00 - Re: Slayers-in-training: More annoying than Connor and Dawn COMBINED! - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


st wrote: > > On Tue, 07 Jan 2003 19:20:41 -0800, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > >They are soldiers, and they have been trained from a very early age. > > Not all of them. And none of them has even seen a vampire. Soldiers > tend to have experience with seeing people before they go into battle. No amount of training can prepare a soldier for the first time the bullets are real. > > >Like most Vietnam era soldiers, they are draftees and didn't ask to be > >in their current situation. Still, when the chips are down they will > >perform. > > But the chips aren't down yet. They are acting like scared recruits > with no sense of direction, which makes perfect sense. > Kennedy seemed like a natural leader. The others would have fallen in line behind her.

2003-01-07 22:02:32-06:00 - Re: Slayers-in-training: More annoying than Connor and Dawn COMBINED! - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)


In article <3E1B9909.78E6E744@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > st wrote: > > > > On Tue, 07 Jan 2003 18:35:35 -0800, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > > >st wrote: > > >> > > >> On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 20:47:25 -0500, "Rupert Pupkin" <gringo@yahoo.com> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> >Anyone else think those stupid newbies slayers are snobby bitches? All > > >> >they > > >> >do is complain! They are quick to bitch about Buffy's plans, but what > > >> >the > > >> >hell are their ideas? Lets see the options. Stay with the real slayer > > >> >or > > >> >run away alone and die. hmmmmm > > >> > > > >> > > >> Its called fear. But I'm sure you would be alot more brave. > > >> > > >There's an interesting phenomena that occurs in first combat, and that > > >is the fear of being afraid is frequently more powerful than the fear of > > >getting killed. My first day in the field someone yelled corpsman up and > > >I was scared to death. My responsibility was to expose myself to enemy > > >fire and drag a wounded Marine to safety then treat his wounds. The last > > >thing I wanted to be was a coward so I did what everyone expected me to > > >do. I figured that if I got killed at least I wouldn't be remembered as > > >a coward. > > > > > >That's not a unique feeling, that's what makes many soldiers fight. I've > > >seen it happen dozens of times. I would think the SiTs would do the same > > >thing. They would naturally be scared, but they won't run. They'll fight > > >and do the best they can. Once the fight starts they'll forget about > > >being scared, then afterward they'll probably lose their lunch. > > > > I'm assuming a corpsman would have training of some sort and would > > know what was expected of them. Also in that situation you have a > > specific goal. This is an entirely different situation. > > > > The SITs are not soldiers, only Kennedy seems to have that mentality. > > Note how she reacted much like you describe. She definitely wanted to > > impress both Willow(for a different reason) and Buffy. > > > > They are in totally over their heads and the people giving order's > > don't seem to know what to do either. I was asking myself the same > > questions they were, 'what's the plan buffy?', 'what are they supposed > > to do against Flintstone vamp?' > > > > > They are soldiers, and they have been trained from a very early age. > Like most Vietnam era soldiers, they are draftees and didn't ask to be > in their current situation. Still, when the chips are down they will > perform. We know that Rona has *no* training. Vi and Molly have a bit (hey Vi's seen a fuzzy photo of a vamp once.) Chloe doesn't have much. And other than Kennedy, these are a bunch of kids, 15 or younger. -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

2003-01-07 22:02:32-06:00 - Re: Slayers-in-training: More annoying than Connor and Dawn COMBINED! - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)


In article <3E1B9909.78E6E744@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > st wrote: > > > > On Tue, 07 Jan 2003 18:35:35 -0800, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > > >st wrote: > > >> > > >> On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 20:47:25 -0500, "Rupert Pupkin" <gringo@yahoo.com> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> >Anyone else think those stupid newbies slayers are snobby bitches? All > > >> >they > > >> >do is complain! They are quick to bitch about Buffy's plans, but what > > >> >the > > >> >hell are their ideas? Lets see the options. Stay with the real slayer > > >> >or > > >> >run away alone and die. hmmmmm > > >> > > > >> > > >> Its called fear. But I'm sure you would be alot more brave. > > >> > > >There's an interesting phenomena that occurs in first combat, and that > > >is the fear of being afraid is frequently more powerful than the fear of > > >getting killed. My first day in the field someone yelled corpsman up and > > >I was scared to death. My responsibility was to expose myself to enemy > > >fire and drag a wounded Marine to safety then treat his wounds. The last > > >thing I wanted to be was a coward so I did what everyone expected me to > > >do. I figured that if I got killed at least I wouldn't be remembered as > > >a coward. > > > > > >That's not a unique feeling, that's what makes many soldiers fight. I've > > >seen it happen dozens of times. I would think the SiTs would do the same > > >thing. They would naturally be scared, but they won't run. They'll fight > > >and do the best they can. Once the fight starts they'll forget about > > >being scared, then afterward they'll probably lose their lunch. > > > > I'm assuming a corpsman would have training of some sort and would > > know what was expected of them. Also in that situation you have a > > specific goal. This is an entirely different situation. > > > > The SITs are not soldiers, only Kennedy seems to have that mentality. > > Note how she reacted much like you describe. She definitely wanted to > > impress both Willow(for a different reason) and Buffy. > > > > They are in totally over their heads and the people giving order's > > don't seem to know what to do either. I was asking myself the same > > questions they were, 'what's the plan buffy?', 'what are they supposed > > to do against Flintstone vamp?' > > > > > They are soldiers, and they have been trained from a very early age. > Like most Vietnam era soldiers, they are draftees and didn't ask to be > in their current situation. Still, when the chips are down they will > perform. We know that Rona has *no* training. Vi and Molly have a bit (hey Vi's seen a fuzzy photo of a vamp once.) Chloe doesn't have much. And other than Kennedy, these are a bunch of kids, 15 or younger. -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

2003-01-07 22:10:17-07:00 - Re: Slayers-in-training: More annoying than Connor and Dawn COMBINED! - (William George Ferguson <wmgfrgsn@newsguy.com>)


On Tue, 07 Jan 2003 19:20:41 -0800, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: >st wrote: >> On Tue, 07 Jan 2003 18:35:35 -0800, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: >> >st wrote: >> >> On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 20:47:25 -0500, "Rupert Pupkin" <gringo@yahoo.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >Anyone else think those stupid newbies slayers are snobby bitches? All they >> >> >do is complain! They are quick to bitch about Buffy's plans, but what the >> >> >hell are their ideas? Lets see the options. Stay with the real slayer or >> >> >run away alone and die. hmmmmm >> >> > >> >> >> >> Its called fear. But I'm sure you would be alot more brave. >> >> >> >There's an interesting phenomena that occurs in first combat, and that >> >is the fear of being afraid is frequently more powerful than the fear of >> >getting killed. My first day in the field someone yelled corpsman up and >> >I was scared to death. My responsibility was to expose myself to enemy >> >fire and drag a wounded Marine to safety then treat his wounds. The last >> >thing I wanted to be was a coward so I did what everyone expected me to >> >do. I figured that if I got killed at least I wouldn't be remembered as >> >a coward. >> > >> >That's not a unique feeling, that's what makes many soldiers fight. I've >> >seen it happen dozens of times. I would think the SiTs would do the same >> >thing. They would naturally be scared, but they won't run. They'll fight >> >and do the best they can. Once the fight starts they'll forget about >> >being scared, then afterward they'll probably lose their lunch. >> >> I'm assuming a corpsman would have training of some sort and would >> know what was expected of them. Also in that situation you have a >> specific goal. This is an entirely different situation. >> >> The SITs are not soldiers, only Kennedy seems to have that mentality. >> Note how she reacted much like you describe. She definitely wanted to >> impress both Willow(for a different reason) and Buffy. >> >> They are in totally over their heads and the people giving order's >> don't seem to know what to do either. I was asking myself the same >> questions they were, 'what's the plan buffy?', 'what are they supposed >> to do against Flintstone vamp?' >> >> >They are soldiers, and they have been trained from a very early age. >Like most Vietnam era soldiers, they are draftees and didn't ask to be >in their current situation. Still, when the chips are down they will >perform. Some of them have been trained from an early age. Kennedy (who is the most solid so far) says she's been checked out as competent with the Slayer crossbow since she was 8 (and therefore possibly was a trainee earlier than that). Molly may be a chatterbox, but seems to be the one with the second longest service. Vi talked about her watcher and knows somewhat about Slayer capabilities (enough to understand the significance of bruises still showing a day later), we don't really know about Chloe yet, and Rona was a Buffy type, knowing nothing about the whole thing until the Bringers attacked her. In the workout scene, Chloe and Vi were going through something appearing actual training practice, with Kennedy spotting Chloe. Molly was juggling stakes (maybe dexterity drill, maybe just trying to do 'something'), and Rona and Eve weren't involved (and we know why now). Of course, without knowing the score, Rona was attacked by the Bringers and is still alive, so that may be worth considering in rating their abilities. In the dill, even with training, some will perform and some won't. I'm thinking that we're going to see at least intimations of Slayer boot camp the next few episodes. -- I think it's entirely possible that we might try to fool people hell bent on spoiling our season. We're deceptive people. We promote sex and violence and the occult. Frankly, we're just not good seeds. -- Drew Goddard (Bronze Beta 8/28/2002)

2003-01-07 22:10:17-07:00 - Re: Slayers-in-training: More annoying than Connor and Dawn COMBINED! - (William George Ferguson <wmgfrgsn@newsguy.com>)


On Tue, 07 Jan 2003 19:20:41 -0800, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: >st wrote: >> On Tue, 07 Jan 2003 18:35:35 -0800, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: >> >st wrote: >> >> On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 20:47:25 -0500, "Rupert Pupkin" <gringo@yahoo.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >Anyone else think those stupid newbies slayers are snobby bitches? All they >> >> >do is complain! They are quick to bitch about Buffy's plans, but what the >> >> >hell are their ideas? Lets see the options. Stay with the real slayer or >> >> >run away alone and die. hmmmmm >> >> > >> >> >> >> Its called fear. But I'm sure you would be alot more brave. >> >> >> >There's an interesting phenomena that occurs in first combat, and that >> >is the fear of being afraid is frequently more powerful than the fear of >> >getting killed. My first day in the field someone yelled corpsman up and >> >I was scared to death. My responsibility was to expose myself to enemy >> >fire and drag a wounded Marine to safety then treat his wounds. The last >> >thing I wanted to be was a coward so I did what everyone expected me to >> >do. I figured that if I got killed at least I wouldn't be remembered as >> >a coward. >> > >> >That's not a unique feeling, that's what makes many soldiers fight. I've >> >seen it happen dozens of times. I would think the SiTs would do the same >> >thing. They would naturally be scared, but they won't run. They'll fight >> >and do the best they can. Once the fight starts they'll forget about >> >being scared, then afterward they'll probably lose their lunch. >> >> I'm assuming a corpsman would have training of some sort and would >> know what was expected of them. Also in that situation you have a >> specific goal. This is an entirely different situation. >> >> The SITs are not soldiers, only Kennedy seems to have that mentality. >> Note how she reacted much like you describe. She definitely wanted to >> impress both Willow(for a different reason) and Buffy. >> >> They are in totally over their heads and the people giving order's >> don't seem to know what to do either. I was asking myself the same >> questions they were, 'what's the plan buffy?', 'what are they supposed >> to do against Flintstone vamp?' >> >> >They are soldiers, and they have been trained from a very early age. >Like most Vietnam era soldiers, they are draftees and didn't ask to be >in their current situation. Still, when the chips are down they will >perform. Some of them have been trained from an early age. Kennedy (who is the most solid so far) says she's been checked out as competent with the Slayer crossbow since she was 8 (and therefore possibly was a trainee earlier than that). Molly may be a chatterbox, but seems to be the one with the second longest service. Vi talked about her watcher and knows somewhat about Slayer capabilities (enough to understand the significance of bruises still showing a day later), we don't really know about Chloe yet, and Rona was a Buffy type, knowing nothing about the whole thing until the Bringers attacked her. In the workout scene, Chloe and Vi were going through something appearing actual training practice, with Kennedy spotting Chloe. Molly was juggling stakes (maybe dexterity drill, maybe just trying to do 'something'), and Rona and Eve weren't involved (and we know why now). Of course, without knowing the score, Rona was attacked by the Bringers and is still alive, so that may be worth considering in rating their abilities. In the dill, even with training, some will perform and some won't. I'm thinking that we're going to see at least intimations of Slayer boot camp the next few episodes. -- I think it's entirely possible that we might try to fool people hell bent on spoiling our season. We're deceptive people. We promote sex and violence and the occult. Frankly, we're just not good seeds. -- Drew Goddard (Bronze Beta 8/28/2002)

2003-01-08 00:03:09-06:00 - Re: Slayers-in-training: More annoying than Connor and Dawn COMBINED! - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)


In article <3vbn1v4oejfa4gl78vr9h3kq2ng96pno8q@4ax.com>, William George Ferguson <wmgfrgsn@newsguy.com> wrote: > In the workout scene, Chloe and Vi were going through something > appearing actual training practice, with Kennedy spotting Chloe. > Molly was juggling stakes (maybe dexterity drill, maybe just trying to > do 'something'), and Rona and Eve weren't involved (and we know why > now). Of course, without knowing the score, Rona was attacked by the > Bringers and is still alive, so that may be worth considering in > rating their abilities. It may be a testament to how fast she can run. -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

2003-01-08 00:03:09-06:00 - Re: Slayers-in-training: More annoying than Connor and Dawn COMBINED! - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)


In article <3vbn1v4oejfa4gl78vr9h3kq2ng96pno8q@4ax.com>, William George Ferguson <wmgfrgsn@newsguy.com> wrote: > In the workout scene, Chloe and Vi were going through something > appearing actual training practice, with Kennedy spotting Chloe. > Molly was juggling stakes (maybe dexterity drill, maybe just trying to > do 'something'), and Rona and Eve weren't involved (and we know why > now). Of course, without knowing the score, Rona was attacked by the > Bringers and is still alive, so that may be worth considering in > rating their abilities. It may be a testament to how fast she can run. -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

2003-01-08 01:10:53-05:00 - Re: Slayers-in-training: More annoying than Connor and Dawn COMBINED! - (The Babaloughesian <doomed_forthestakeofmomentum@hotmail.com>)


"st" <striketoo@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3e1n1v0euerv5pr88idi1fbmac6fao4rd2@4ax.com... > On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 20:47:25 -0500, "Rupert Pupkin" <gringo@yahoo.com> > wrote: > > >Anyone else think those stupid newbies slayers are snobby bitches? All they > >do is complain! They are quick to bitch about Buffy's plans, but what the > >hell are their ideas? Lets see the options. Stay with the real slayer or > >run away alone and die. hmmmmm > > > > Its called fear. But I'm sure you would be alot more brave. He'd have better dialogue, that's for sure.

2003-01-08 01:10:53-05:00 - Re: Slayers-in-training: More annoying than Connor and Dawn COMBINED! - (The Babaloughesian <doomed_forthestakeofmomentum@hotmail.com>)


"st" <striketoo@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3e1n1v0euerv5pr88idi1fbmac6fao4rd2@4ax.com... > On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 20:47:25 -0500, "Rupert Pupkin" <gringo@yahoo.com> > wrote: > > >Anyone else think those stupid newbies slayers are snobby bitches? All they > >do is complain! They are quick to bitch about Buffy's plans, but what the > >hell are their ideas? Lets see the options. Stay with the real slayer or > >run away alone and die. hmmmmm > > > > Its called fear. But I'm sure you would be alot more brave. He'd have better dialogue, that's for sure.

2003-01-08 03:07:12+00:00 - Re: Slayers-in-training: More annoying than Connor and Dawn COMBINED! - ("A.J" <snowman1090@yahoo.com>)


"Rupert Pupkin" <gringo@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:gMGcnSwwf4NWHoajXTWcoA@comcast.com... > Anyone else think those stupid newbies slayers are snobby bitches? All they > do is complain! They are quick to bitch about Buffy's plans, but what the > hell are their ideas? Lets see the options. Stay with the real slayer or > run away alone and die. hmmmmm > > They are under a lot of pressure and they're really scared, but I did indeed find them rather annoying here. A.J

2003-01-08 03:07:12+00:00 - Re: Slayers-in-training: More annoying than Connor and Dawn COMBINED! - ("A.J" <snowman1090@yahoo.com>)


"Rupert Pupkin" <gringo@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:gMGcnSwwf4NWHoajXTWcoA@comcast.com... > Anyone else think those stupid newbies slayers are snobby bitches? All they > do is complain! They are quick to bitch about Buffy's plans, but what the > hell are their ideas? Lets see the options. Stay with the real slayer or > run away alone and die. hmmmmm > > They are under a lot of pressure and they're really scared, but I did indeed find them rather annoying here. A.J

2003-01-08 03:07:18+00:00 - Re: Slayers-in-training: More annoying than Connor and Dawn COMBINED! - (Smaug69 <smaug69xx@carolinaxx.rrxx.com>)




2003-01-08 03:07:18+00:00 - Re: Slayers-in-training: More annoying than Connor and Dawn COMBINED! - (Smaug69 <smaug69xx@carolinaxx.rrxx.com>)




2003-01-08 05:27:22+00:00 - Re: Slayers-in-training: More annoying than Connor and Dawn COMBINED! - ("E. Deirdre Brooks" <kalimagdalene@attbi.com>)


Rupert Pupkin wrote: > > Anyone else think those stupid newbies slayers are snobby bitches? All they > do is complain! They are quick to bitch about Buffy's plans, but what the > hell are their ideas? Lets see the options. Stay with the real slayer or > run away alone and die. hmmmmm Young and worried they're going to die *real soon now*. Add to that the FE fanning the flames of terror and there you go. -- E. D. Brooks | kalimagdalene@attbi.com | US2002021724 Listowner: Aberrants_Worldwide, Fading_Suns_Games, TrinityRPG AeonAdventure | "Why, in my day, we used to fight the Lord of Terror with nothing but a sharp stick!" -- www.reallifecomics.com

2003-01-08 05:27:22+00:00 - Re: Slayers-in-training: More annoying than Connor and Dawn COMBINED! - ("E. Deirdre Brooks" <kalimagdalene@attbi.com>)


Rupert Pupkin wrote: > > Anyone else think those stupid newbies slayers are snobby bitches? All they > do is complain! They are quick to bitch about Buffy's plans, but what the > hell are their ideas? Lets see the options. Stay with the real slayer or > run away alone and die. hmmmmm Young and worried they're going to die *real soon now*. Add to that the FE fanning the flames of terror and there you go. -- E. D. Brooks | kalimagdalene@attbi.com | US2002021724 Listowner: Aberrants_Worldwide, Fading_Suns_Games, TrinityRPG AeonAdventure | "Why, in my day, we used to fight the Lord of Terror with nothing but a sharp stick!" -- www.reallifecomics.com

2003-01-08 06:08:21-08:00 - Re: Slayers-in-training: Spoiler included - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


William George Ferguson wrote: > > On Tue, 07 Jan 2003 19:20:41 -0800, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > >st wrote: > >> On Tue, 07 Jan 2003 18:35:35 -0800, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > >> >st wrote: > >> >> On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 20:47:25 -0500, "Rupert Pupkin" <gringo@yahoo.com> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >Anyone else think those stupid newbies slayers are snobby bitches? All they > >> >> >do is complain! They are quick to bitch about Buffy's plans, but what the > >> >> >hell are their ideas? Lets see the options. Stay with the real slayer or > >> >> >run away alone and die. hmmmmm > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> Its called fear. But I'm sure you would be alot more brave. > >> >> > >> >There's an interesting phenomena that occurs in first combat, and that > >> >is the fear of being afraid is frequently more powerful than the fear of > >> >getting killed. My first day in the field someone yelled corpsman up and > >> >I was scared to death. My responsibility was to expose myself to enemy > >> >fire and drag a wounded Marine to safety then treat his wounds. The last > >> >thing I wanted to be was a coward so I did what everyone expected me to > >> >do. I figured that if I got killed at least I wouldn't be remembered as > >> >a coward. > >> > > >> >That's not a unique feeling, that's what makes many soldiers fight. I've > >> >seen it happen dozens of times. I would think the SiTs would do the same > >> >thing. They would naturally be scared, but they won't run. They'll fight > >> >and do the best they can. Once the fight starts they'll forget about > >> >being scared, then afterward they'll probably lose their lunch. > >> > >> I'm assuming a corpsman would have training of some sort and would > >> know what was expected of them. Also in that situation you have a > >> specific goal. This is an entirely different situation. > >> > >> The SITs are not soldiers, only Kennedy seems to have that mentality. > >> Note how she reacted much like you describe. She definitely wanted to > >> impress both Willow(for a different reason) and Buffy. > >> > >> They are in totally over their heads and the people giving order's > >> don't seem to know what to do either. I was asking myself the same > >> questions they were, 'what's the plan buffy?', 'what are they supposed > >> to do against Flintstone vamp?' > >> > >> > >They are soldiers, and they have been trained from a very early age. > >Like most Vietnam era soldiers, they are draftees and didn't ask to be > >in their current situation. Still, when the chips are down they will > >perform. > > Some of them have been trained from an early age. Kennedy (who is the > most solid so far) says she's been checked out as competent with the > Slayer crossbow since she was 8 (and therefore possibly was a trainee > earlier than that). Yet the first thing she did to prove her competence was dry fire the bow. The first thing she would be told when being trained to use a bow is "never dry a bow". > Molly may be a chatterbox, but seems to be the > one with the second longest service. Vi talked about her watcher and > knows somewhat about Slayer capabilities (enough to understand the > significance of bruises still showing a day later), we don't really > know about Chloe yet, and Rona was a Buffy type, knowing nothing about > the whole thing until the Bringers attacked her. > > In the workout scene, Chloe and Vi were going through something > appearing actual training practice, with Kennedy spotting Chloe. > Molly was juggling stakes (maybe dexterity drill, maybe just trying to > do 'something'), and Rona and Eve weren't involved (and we know why > now). Of course, without knowing the score, Rona was attacked by the > Bringers and is still alive, so that may be worth considering in > rating their abilities. > > In the dill, even with training, some will perform and some won't. > I'm thinking that we're going to see at least intimations of Slayer > boot camp the next few episodes. > Is that a guess, or have you been reading the spoilers because that's exactly what's going to happen.

2003-01-08 06:08:21-08:00 - Re: Slayers-in-training: Spoiler included - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


William George Ferguson wrote: > > On Tue, 07 Jan 2003 19:20:41 -0800, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > >st wrote: > >> On Tue, 07 Jan 2003 18:35:35 -0800, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > >> >st wrote: > >> >> On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 20:47:25 -0500, "Rupert Pupkin" <gringo@yahoo.com> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >Anyone else think those stupid newbies slayers are snobby bitches? All they > >> >> >do is complain! They are quick to bitch about Buffy's plans, but what the > >> >> >hell are their ideas? Lets see the options. Stay with the real slayer or > >> >> >run away alone and die. hmmmmm > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> Its called fear. But I'm sure you would be alot more brave. > >> >> > >> >There's an interesting phenomena that occurs in first combat, and that > >> >is the fear of being afraid is frequently more powerful than the fear of > >> >getting killed. My first day in the field someone yelled corpsman up and > >> >I was scared to death. My responsibility was to expose myself to enemy > >> >fire and drag a wounded Marine to safety then treat his wounds. The last > >> >thing I wanted to be was a coward so I did what everyone expected me to > >> >do. I figured that if I got killed at least I wouldn't be remembered as > >> >a coward. > >> > > >> >That's not a unique feeling, that's what makes many soldiers fight. I've > >> >seen it happen dozens of times. I would think the SiTs would do the same > >> >thing. They would naturally be scared, but they won't run. They'll fight > >> >and do the best they can. Once the fight starts they'll forget about > >> >being scared, then afterward they'll probably lose their lunch. > >> > >> I'm assuming a corpsman would have training of some sort and would > >> know what was expected of them. Also in that situation you have a > >> specific goal. This is an entirely different situation. > >> > >> The SITs are not soldiers, only Kennedy seems to have that mentality. > >> Note how she reacted much like you describe. She definitely wanted to > >> impress both Willow(for a different reason) and Buffy. > >> > >> They are in totally over their heads and the people giving order's > >> don't seem to know what to do either. I was asking myself the same > >> questions they were, 'what's the plan buffy?', 'what are they supposed > >> to do against Flintstone vamp?' > >> > >> > >They are soldiers, and they have been trained from a very early age. > >Like most Vietnam era soldiers, they are draftees and didn't ask to be > >in their current situation. Still, when the chips are down they will > >perform. > > Some of them have been trained from an early age. Kennedy (who is the > most solid so far) says she's been checked out as competent with the > Slayer crossbow since she was 8 (and therefore possibly was a trainee > earlier than that). Yet the first thing she did to prove her competence was dry fire the bow. The first thing she would be told when being trained to use a bow is "never dry a bow". > Molly may be a chatterbox, but seems to be the > one with the second longest service. Vi talked about her watcher and > knows somewhat about Slayer capabilities (enough to understand the > significance of bruises still showing a day later), we don't really > know about Chloe yet, and Rona was a Buffy type, knowing nothing about > the whole thing until the Bringers attacked her. > > In the workout scene, Chloe and Vi were going through something > appearing actual training practice, with Kennedy spotting Chloe. > Molly was juggling stakes (maybe dexterity drill, maybe just trying to > do 'something'), and Rona and Eve weren't involved (and we know why > now). Of course, without knowing the score, Rona was attacked by the > Bringers and is still alive, so that may be worth considering in > rating their abilities. > > In the dill, even with training, some will perform and some won't. > I'm thinking that we're going to see at least intimations of Slayer > boot camp the next few episodes. > Is that a guess, or have you been reading the spoilers because that's exactly what's going to happen.

2003-01-08 06:17:48-08:00 - Re: Slayers-in-training: More annoying than Connor and Dawn COMBINED! - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


Don Sample wrote: > > In article <3E1B9909.78E6E744@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > > > They are soldiers, and they have been trained from a very early age. > > Like most Vietnam era soldiers, they are draftees and didn't ask to be > > in their current situation. Still, when the chips are down they will > > perform. > > We know that Rona has *no* training. Vi and Molly have a bit (hey Vi's > seen a fuzzy photo of a vamp once.) Chloe doesn't have much. > > And other than Kennedy, these are a bunch of kids, 15 or younger. > If they were just a bunch of kids, they wouldn't be there. They are a very special bunch of kids chosen to be there.

2003-01-08 06:17:48-08:00 - Re: Slayers-in-training: More annoying than Connor and Dawn COMBINED! - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


Don Sample wrote: > > In article <3E1B9909.78E6E744@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > > > They are soldiers, and they have been trained from a very early age. > > Like most Vietnam era soldiers, they are draftees and didn't ask to be > > in their current situation. Still, when the chips are down they will > > perform. > > We know that Rona has *no* training. Vi and Molly have a bit (hey Vi's > seen a fuzzy photo of a vamp once.) Chloe doesn't have much. > > And other than Kennedy, these are a bunch of kids, 15 or younger. > If they were just a bunch of kids, they wouldn't be there. They are a very special bunch of kids chosen to be there.

2003-01-08 10:14:08-06:00 - Re: Slayers-in-training: More annoying than Connor and Dawn COMBINED! - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)


In article <3E1C330C.D095A02A@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > Don Sample wrote: > > > > In article <3E1B9909.78E6E744@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > They are soldiers, and they have been trained from a very early age. > > > Like most Vietnam era soldiers, they are draftees and didn't ask to be > > > in their current situation. Still, when the chips are down they will > > > perform. > > > > We know that Rona has *no* training. Vi and Molly have a bit (hey Vi's > > seen a fuzzy photo of a vamp once.) Chloe doesn't have much. > > > > And other than Kennedy, these are a bunch of kids, 15 or younger. > > > If they were just a bunch of kids, they wouldn't be there. They are a > very special bunch of kids chosen to be there. But until they're actually chosen, they're still just kids. No mystical powers. Some of them have had a little training, but so? There have been armies that drafted and trained 14 and 15 year olds too. For the most part, they were on the losing side. -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

2003-01-08 10:14:08-06:00 - Re: Slayers-in-training: More annoying than Connor and Dawn COMBINED! - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)


In article <3E1C330C.D095A02A@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > Don Sample wrote: > > > > In article <3E1B9909.78E6E744@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > They are soldiers, and they have been trained from a very early age. > > > Like most Vietnam era soldiers, they are draftees and didn't ask to be > > > in their current situation. Still, when the chips are down they will > > > perform. > > > > We know that Rona has *no* training. Vi and Molly have a bit (hey Vi's > > seen a fuzzy photo of a vamp once.) Chloe doesn't have much. > > > > And other than Kennedy, these are a bunch of kids, 15 or younger. > > > If they were just a bunch of kids, they wouldn't be there. They are a > very special bunch of kids chosen to be there. But until they're actually chosen, they're still just kids. No mystical powers. Some of them have had a little training, but so? There have been armies that drafted and trained 14 and 15 year olds too. For the most part, they were on the losing side. -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

2003-01-08 10:16:09-06:00 - Re: Slayers-in-training: More annoying than Connor and Dawn COMBINED! - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)


In article <a28o1vc5eg0slbu248faprhdcvcsfb5qk0@4ax.com>, st <striketoo@hotmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, 07 Jan 2003 21:15:29 -0800, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > >st wrote: > >> > >> On Tue, 07 Jan 2003 19:20:41 -0800, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > >> > >> >They are soldiers, and they have been trained from a very early age. > >> > >> Not all of them. And none of them has even seen a vampire. Soldiers > >> tend to have experience with seeing people before they go into battle. > > > >No amount of training can prepare a soldier for the first time the > >bullets are real. > >> > > That was never my point. > > >> >Like most Vietnam era soldiers, they are draftees and didn't ask to be > >> >in their current situation. Still, when the chips are down they will > >> >perform. > >> > >> But the chips aren't down yet. They are acting like scared recruits > >> with no sense of direction, which makes perfect sense. > >> > >Kennedy seemed like a natural leader. The others would have fallen in > >line behind her. > > Hardly, Kennedy was a born follower. She was taking her cues from > Willow and Buffy. The others were just scared. > > st Good leaders have to be good followers too. Kennedy knows her place in the chain of command. -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

2003-01-08 10:16:09-06:00 - Re: Slayers-in-training: More annoying than Connor and Dawn COMBINED! - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)


In article <a28o1vc5eg0slbu248faprhdcvcsfb5qk0@4ax.com>, st <striketoo@hotmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, 07 Jan 2003 21:15:29 -0800, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > >st wrote: > >> > >> On Tue, 07 Jan 2003 19:20:41 -0800, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > >> > >> >They are soldiers, and they have been trained from a very early age. > >> > >> Not all of them. And none of them has even seen a vampire. Soldiers > >> tend to have experience with seeing people before they go into battle. > > > >No amount of training can prepare a soldier for the first time the > >bullets are real. > >> > > That was never my point. > > >> >Like most Vietnam era soldiers, they are draftees and didn't ask to be > >> >in their current situation. Still, when the chips are down they will > >> >perform. > >> > >> But the chips aren't down yet. They are acting like scared recruits > >> with no sense of direction, which makes perfect sense. > >> > >Kennedy seemed like a natural leader. The others would have fallen in > >line behind her. > > Hardly, Kennedy was a born follower. She was taking her cues from > Willow and Buffy. The others were just scared. > > st Good leaders have to be good followers too. Kennedy knows her place in the chain of command. -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

2003-01-08 12:48:39-08:00 - Re: Slayers-in-training: More annoying than Connor and Dawn COMBINED! - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


Don Sample wrote: > > In article <3E1C330C.D095A02A@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > Don Sample wrote: > > > > > > In article <3E1B9909.78E6E744@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > They are soldiers, and they have been trained from a very early age. > > > > Like most Vietnam era soldiers, they are draftees and didn't ask to be > > > > in their current situation. Still, when the chips are down they will > > > > perform. > > > > > > We know that Rona has *no* training. Vi and Molly have a bit (hey Vi's > > > seen a fuzzy photo of a vamp once.) Chloe doesn't have much. > > > > > > And other than Kennedy, these are a bunch of kids, 15 or younger. > > > > > If they were just a bunch of kids, they wouldn't be there. They are a > > very special bunch of kids chosen to be there. > > But until they're actually chosen, they're still just kids. No > mystical powers. Some of them have had a little training, but so? > There have been armies that drafted and trained 14 and 15 year olds > too. For the most part, they were on the losing side. > In England 1252 AD those men owning land worth between 40-100 shillings were required to equip themselves with a sword, dagger, bow and arrows. Those owning less than 40 shillings worth of land had to equip themselves with bow and arrows. All men between the age of 15 to 60 years old were ordered to equip themselves. Our notion of adolescence is a very modern concept. Buffy was called at age 15.

2003-01-08 12:48:39-08:00 - Re: Slayers-in-training: More annoying than Connor and Dawn COMBINED! - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


Don Sample wrote: > > In article <3E1C330C.D095A02A@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > Don Sample wrote: > > > > > > In article <3E1B9909.78E6E744@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > They are soldiers, and they have been trained from a very early age. > > > > Like most Vietnam era soldiers, they are draftees and didn't ask to be > > > > in their current situation. Still, when the chips are down they will > > > > perform. > > > > > > We know that Rona has *no* training. Vi and Molly have a bit (hey Vi's > > > seen a fuzzy photo of a vamp once.) Chloe doesn't have much. > > > > > > And other than Kennedy, these are a bunch of kids, 15 or younger. > > > > > If they were just a bunch of kids, they wouldn't be there. They are a > > very special bunch of kids chosen to be there. > > But until they're actually chosen, they're still just kids. No > mystical powers. Some of them have had a little training, but so? > There have been armies that drafted and trained 14 and 15 year olds > too. For the most part, they were on the losing side. > In England 1252 AD those men owning land worth between 40-100 shillings were required to equip themselves with a sword, dagger, bow and arrows. Those owning less than 40 shillings worth of land had to equip themselves with bow and arrows. All men between the age of 15 to 60 years old were ordered to equip themselves. Our notion of adolescence is a very modern concept. Buffy was called at age 15.

2003-01-08 16:21:11+00:00 - Re: Slayers-in-training: More annoying than Connor and Dawn COMBINED! - (Darwin Fish <a@a.edu>)


In article <070120032300219926%dsample@synapse.net>, Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net> wrote: > In article <3E1B9909.78E6E744@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > st wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, 07 Jan 2003 18:35:35 -0800, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > > > > >st wrote: > > > >> > > > >> On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 20:47:25 -0500, "Rupert Pupkin" <gringo@yahoo.com> > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> >Anyone else think those stupid newbies slayers are snobby bitches? > > > >> >All > > > >> >they > > > >> >do is complain! They are quick to bitch about Buffy's plans, but > > > >> >what > > > >> >the > > > >> >hell are their ideas? Lets see the options. Stay with the real > > > >> >slayer > > > >> >or > > > >> >run away alone and die. hmmmmm > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> Its called fear. But I'm sure you would be alot more brave. > > > >> > > > >There's an interesting phenomena that occurs in first combat, and that > > > >is the fear of being afraid is frequently more powerful than the fear of > > > >getting killed. My first day in the field someone yelled corpsman up and > > > >I was scared to death. My responsibility was to expose myself to enemy > > > >fire and drag a wounded Marine to safety then treat his wounds. The last > > > >thing I wanted to be was a coward so I did what everyone expected me to > > > >do. I figured that if I got killed at least I wouldn't be remembered as > > > >a coward. > > > > > > > >That's not a unique feeling, that's what makes many soldiers fight. I've > > > >seen it happen dozens of times. I would think the SiTs would do the same > > > >thing. They would naturally be scared, but they won't run. They'll fight > > > >and do the best they can. Once the fight starts they'll forget about > > > >being scared, then afterward they'll probably lose their lunch. > > > > > > I'm assuming a corpsman would have training of some sort and would > > > know what was expected of them. Also in that situation you have a > > > specific goal. This is an entirely different situation. > > > > > > The SITs are not soldiers, only Kennedy seems to have that mentality. > > > Note how she reacted much like you describe. She definitely wanted to > > > impress both Willow(for a different reason) and Buffy. > > > > > > They are in totally over their heads and the people giving order's > > > don't seem to know what to do either. I was asking myself the same > > > questions they were, 'what's the plan buffy?', 'what are they supposed > > > to do against Flintstone vamp?' > > > > > > > > They are soldiers, and they have been trained from a very early age. > > Like most Vietnam era soldiers, they are draftees and didn't ask to be > > in their current situation. Still, when the chips are down they will > > perform. > > We know that Rona has *no* training. Vi and Molly have a bit (hey Vi's > seen a fuzzy photo of a vamp once.) Chloe doesn't have much. > > And other than Kennedy, these are a bunch of kids, 15 or younger. This brings up an interesting point, how did the Council actually convince these kids, or their parents, that they are potiential Slayers? Some older, English guy shows you a fuzzy picture of a guy with fangs and you give him your 13 year old daughter? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Let the Darwin Fishes swim! www.darwin-fish.com/fish.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------

2003-01-08 16:21:11+00:00 - Re: Slayers-in-training: More annoying than Connor and Dawn COMBINED! - (Darwin Fish <a@a.edu>)


In article <070120032300219926%dsample@synapse.net>, Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net> wrote: > In article <3E1B9909.78E6E744@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > st wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, 07 Jan 2003 18:35:35 -0800, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > > > > > >st wrote: > > > >> > > > >> On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 20:47:25 -0500, "Rupert Pupkin" <gringo@yahoo.com> > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> >Anyone else think those stupid newbies slayers are snobby bitches? > > > >> >All > > > >> >they > > > >> >do is complain! They are quick to bitch about Buffy's plans, but > > > >> >what > > > >> >the > > > >> >hell are their ideas? Lets see the options. Stay with the real > > > >> >slayer > > > >> >or > > > >> >run away alone and die. hmmmmm > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> Its called fear. But I'm sure you would be alot more brave. > > > >> > > > >There's an interesting phenomena that occurs in first combat, and that > > > >is the fear of being afraid is frequently more powerful than the fear of > > > >getting killed. My first day in the field someone yelled corpsman up and > > > >I was scared to death. My responsibility was to expose myself to enemy > > > >fire and drag a wounded Marine to safety then treat his wounds. The last > > > >thing I wanted to be was a coward so I did what everyone expected me to > > > >do. I figured that if I got killed at least I wouldn't be remembered as > > > >a coward. > > > > > > > >That's not a unique feeling, that's what makes many soldiers fight. I've > > > >seen it happen dozens of times. I would think the SiTs would do the same > > > >thing. They would naturally be scared, but they won't run. They'll fight > > > >and do the best they can. Once the fight starts they'll forget about > > > >being scared, then afterward they'll probably lose their lunch. > > > > > > I'm assuming a corpsman would have training of some sort and would > > > know what was expected of them. Also in that situation you have a > > > specific goal. This is an entirely different situation. > > > > > > The SITs are not soldiers, only Kennedy seems to have that mentality. > > > Note how she reacted much like you describe. She definitely wanted to > > > impress both Willow(for a different reason) and Buffy. > > > > > > They are in totally over their heads and the people giving order's > > > don't seem to know what to do either. I was asking myself the same > > > questions they were, 'what's the plan buffy?', 'what are they supposed > > > to do against Flintstone vamp?' > > > > > > > > They are soldiers, and they have been trained from a very early age. > > Like most Vietnam era soldiers, they are draftees and didn't ask to be > > in their current situation. Still, when the chips are down they will > > perform. > > We know that Rona has *no* training. Vi and Molly have a bit (hey Vi's > seen a fuzzy photo of a vamp once.) Chloe doesn't have much. > > And other than Kennedy, these are a bunch of kids, 15 or younger. This brings up an interesting point, how did the Council actually convince these kids, or their parents, that they are potiential Slayers? Some older, English guy shows you a fuzzy picture of a guy with fangs and you give him your 13 year old daughter? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Let the Darwin Fishes swim! www.darwin-fish.com/fish.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------

2003-01-08 16:38:47-05:00 - Re: Slayers-in-training: More annoying than Connor and Dawn COMBINED! - (David Marc Nieporent <nieporen@alumni.princeton.edu>)


In article <3E1C330C.D095A02A@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: >Don Sample wrote: >> In article <3E1B9909.78E6E744@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: >> > They are soldiers, and they have been trained from a very early age. >> > Like most Vietnam era soldiers, they are draftees and didn't ask to be >> > in their current situation. Still, when the chips are down they will >> > perform. >> We know that Rona has *no* training. Vi and Molly have a bit (hey Vi's >> seen a fuzzy photo of a vamp once.) Chloe doesn't have much. >> And other than Kennedy, these are a bunch of kids, 15 or younger. >If they were just a bunch of kids, they wouldn't be there. They are a >very special bunch of kids chosen to be there. No, they're just a bunch of kids. There's nothing special about them, now. A SIT who isn't a Slayer is just a kid with a cool story to tell her grandkids about someday. --------------------------------------------- David M. Nieporent nieporen@alumni.princeton.edu

2003-01-08 16:38:47-05:00 - Re: Slayers-in-training: More annoying than Connor and Dawn COMBINED! - (David Marc Nieporent <nieporen@alumni.princeton.edu>)


In article <3E1C330C.D095A02A@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: >Don Sample wrote: >> In article <3E1B9909.78E6E744@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: >> > They are soldiers, and they have been trained from a very early age. >> > Like most Vietnam era soldiers, they are draftees and didn't ask to be >> > in their current situation. Still, when the chips are down they will >> > perform. >> We know that Rona has *no* training. Vi and Molly have a bit (hey Vi's >> seen a fuzzy photo of a vamp once.) Chloe doesn't have much. >> And other than Kennedy, these are a bunch of kids, 15 or younger. >If they were just a bunch of kids, they wouldn't be there. They are a >very special bunch of kids chosen to be there. No, they're just a bunch of kids. There's nothing special about them, now. A SIT who isn't a Slayer is just a kid with a cool story to tell her grandkids about someday. --------------------------------------------- David M. Nieporent nieporen@alumni.princeton.edu

2003-01-08 18:15:43+00:00 - Re: Slayers-in-training: More annoying than Connor and Dawn COMBINED! - (sillyman@famous.com)


>> >> st > >Good leaders have to be good followers too. Kennedy knows her place in >the chain of command. > >-- >Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net >Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ >Quando omni flunkus moritati Excellent point. Being a follower is not a bad thing. Ghandi had lots of followers. Being able to take instruction and follow through when every part of you is screaming "GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT!" is a skill very valuable in team play. Go Kennedy.

2003-01-08 18:15:43+00:00 - Re: Slayers-in-training: More annoying than Connor and Dawn COMBINED! - (sillyman@famous.com)


>> >> st > >Good leaders have to be good followers too. Kennedy knows her place in >the chain of command. > >-- >Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net >Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ >Quando omni flunkus moritati Excellent point. Being a follower is not a bad thing. Ghandi had lots of followers. Being able to take instruction and follow through when every part of you is screaming "GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT!" is a skill very valuable in team play. Go Kennedy.

2003-01-08 19:43:13-08:00 - Re: Slayers-in-training: More annoying than Connor and Dawn COMBINED! - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


st wrote: > > On Wed, 08 Jan 2003 12:48:39 -0800, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > >Don Sample wrote: > >> > >> In article <3E1C330C.D095A02A@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > >> > >> > Don Sample wrote: > >> > > > >> > > In article <3E1B9909.78E6E744@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > They are soldiers, and they have been trained from a very early age. > >> > > > Like most Vietnam era soldiers, they are draftees and didn't ask to be > >> > > > in their current situation. Still, when the chips are down they will > >> > > > perform. > >> > > > >> > > We know that Rona has *no* training. Vi and Molly have a bit (hey Vi's > >> > > seen a fuzzy photo of a vamp once.) Chloe doesn't have much. > >> > > > >> > > And other than Kennedy, these are a bunch of kids, 15 or younger. > >> > > > >> > If they were just a bunch of kids, they wouldn't be there. They are a > >> > very special bunch of kids chosen to be there. > >> > >> But until they're actually chosen, they're still just kids. No > >> mystical powers. Some of them have had a little training, but so? > >> There have been armies that drafted and trained 14 and 15 year olds > >> too. For the most part, they were on the losing side. > >> > >In England 1252 AD those men owning land worth between 40-100 shillings > >were required to equip themselves with a sword, dagger, bow and arrows. > >Those owning less than 40 shillings worth of land had to equip > >themselves with bow and arrows. All men between the age of 15 to 60 > >years old were ordered to equip themselves. Our notion of adolescence is > >a very modern concept. Buffy was called at age 15. > > Our notion of adolescence is culturally based. Kennedy may be old but > I don't think she quite makes it to 751 years, and the other girls are > younger than she. > > So yes they are just kids. In another culture in another time they > would have grown up differently, but we are talking about this culture > and this time, where they are treated like children and act > appropriately. Maybe you are just too old to remember 15. > So far all of the SIT are from our culture. That's about to change.

2003-01-08 19:43:13-08:00 - Re: Slayers-in-training: More annoying than Connor and Dawn COMBINED! - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


st wrote: > > On Wed, 08 Jan 2003 12:48:39 -0800, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > > >Don Sample wrote: > >> > >> In article <3E1C330C.D095A02A@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > >> > >> > Don Sample wrote: > >> > > > >> > > In article <3E1B9909.78E6E744@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > They are soldiers, and they have been trained from a very early age. > >> > > > Like most Vietnam era soldiers, they are draftees and didn't ask to be > >> > > > in their current situation. Still, when the chips are down they will > >> > > > perform. > >> > > > >> > > We know that Rona has *no* training. Vi and Molly have a bit (hey Vi's > >> > > seen a fuzzy photo of a vamp once.) Chloe doesn't have much. > >> > > > >> > > And other than Kennedy, these are a bunch of kids, 15 or younger. > >> > > > >> > If they were just a bunch of kids, they wouldn't be there. They are a > >> > very special bunch of kids chosen to be there. > >> > >> But until they're actually chosen, they're still just kids. No > >> mystical powers. Some of them have had a little training, but so? > >> There have been armies that drafted and trained 14 and 15 year olds > >> too. For the most part, they were on the losing side. > >> > >In England 1252 AD those men owning land worth between 40-100 shillings > >were required to equip themselves with a sword, dagger, bow and arrows. > >Those owning less than 40 shillings worth of land had to equip > >themselves with bow and arrows. All men between the age of 15 to 60 > >years old were ordered to equip themselves. Our notion of adolescence is > >a very modern concept. Buffy was called at age 15. > > Our notion of adolescence is culturally based. Kennedy may be old but > I don't think she quite makes it to 751 years, and the other girls are > younger than she. > > So yes they are just kids. In another culture in another time they > would have grown up differently, but we are talking about this culture > and this time, where they are treated like children and act > appropriately. Maybe you are just too old to remember 15. > So far all of the SIT are from our culture. That's about to change.

2003-01-09 02:06:16-08:00 - Re: Slayers-in-training: More annoying than Connor and Dawn COMBINED! - (wallyrosenberg@hotmail.com)


Smaug69 <smaug69xx@carolinaxx.rrxx.com> wrote in message news:<ae5n1v0iivh4sg0o01r8s7sev4lcebi2is@4ax.com>... > From somewhere over there "Rupert Pupkin" <gringo@yahoo.com> mumbled > incoherently: > > >Anyone else think those stupid newbies slayers are snobby bitches? All they > >do is complain! They are quick to bitch about Buffy's plans, but what the > >hell are their ideas? Lets see the options. Stay with the real slayer or > >run away alone and die. hmmmmm > > The First stirred them up pretty good, didn't it? Exactly. I'm wondering if Rupert missed the second half of the show.

2003-01-09 02:06:16-08:00 - Re: Slayers-in-training: More annoying than Connor and Dawn COMBINED! - (wallyrosenberg@hotmail.com)


Smaug69 <smaug69xx@carolinaxx.rrxx.com> wrote in message news:<ae5n1v0iivh4sg0o01r8s7sev4lcebi2is@4ax.com>... > From somewhere over there "Rupert Pupkin" <gringo@yahoo.com> mumbled > incoherently: > > >Anyone else think those stupid newbies slayers are snobby bitches? All they > >do is complain! They are quick to bitch about Buffy's plans, but what the > >hell are their ideas? Lets see the options. Stay with the real slayer or > >run away alone and die. hmmmmm > > The First stirred them up pretty good, didn't it? Exactly. I'm wondering if Rupert missed the second half of the show.

2003-01-09 06:38:06-08:00 - Re: Slayers-in-training: More annoying than Connor and Dawn COMBINED! - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


st wrote: > > > Our notion of adolescence is culturally based. Kennedy may be old but > I don't think she quite makes it to 751 years, and the other girls are > younger than she. > > So yes they are just kids. In another culture in another time they > would have grown up differently, but we are talking about this culture > and this time, where they are treated like children and act > appropriately. Maybe you are just too old to remember 15. > > st When I was 15 I had already been into archery since I was 7 and had my own .22 rifle. All of the 15 year olds I knew had their own guns. Some were hunters, some like myself, were just target shooters. I also knew a lot of other 15 year old archers. I have two daughters and one son, and all three were excellent archers by age 15. My wife learned archery in when she was in high school years ago. My daughters took archery in high school, and were on their University's Archery Team. Actually, my younger daughter still is on her University Archery Team. My daughters also took fencing in high school. All of my kids took gun safety classes as teenagers and are excellent target shooters. My kids didn't take martial arts in high school, but the classes were very popular. Millions of kids are taking martial arts classes around the world. Teenagers are not the helpless little kids that people seem to think they are. Not every teenager gets his or her life experience from playing computer games.

2003-01-09 06:38:06-08:00 - Re: Slayers-in-training: More annoying than Connor and Dawn COMBINED! - (Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com>)


st wrote: > > > Our notion of adolescence is culturally based. Kennedy may be old but > I don't think she quite makes it to 751 years, and the other girls are > younger than she. > > So yes they are just kids. In another culture in another time they > would have grown up differently, but we are talking about this culture > and this time, where they are treated like children and act > appropriately. Maybe you are just too old to remember 15. > > st When I was 15 I had already been into archery since I was 7 and had my own .22 rifle. All of the 15 year olds I knew had their own guns. Some were hunters, some like myself, were just target shooters. I also knew a lot of other 15 year old archers. I have two daughters and one son, and all three were excellent archers by age 15. My wife learned archery in when she was in high school years ago. My daughters took archery in high school, and were on their University's Archery Team. Actually, my younger daughter still is on her University Archery Team. My daughters also took fencing in high school. All of my kids took gun safety classes as teenagers and are excellent target shooters. My kids didn't take martial arts in high school, but the classes were very popular. Millions of kids are taking martial arts classes around the world. Teenagers are not the helpless little kids that people seem to think they are. Not every teenager gets his or her life experience from playing computer games.

2003-01-10 08:34:43-08:00 - Re: Slayers-in-training: More annoying than Connor and Dawn COMBINED! - (czrisher@yahoo.com)


Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote in message news:<3E1B8E77.F9DD9B6F@rcn.com>... > st wrote: <snip> > There's an interesting phenomena that occurs in first combat, and that > is the fear of being afraid is frequently more powerful than the fear of > getting killed. My first day in the field someone yelled corpsman up and <snip> This is what comes of expecting something from people. Marines and soldiers are expected to conquer their fears, and the peer pressure helps them to do that. The SiTs are allowed to embrace their fear and convince themselves that they cannot do anything -- and be seconded by folks on this NG, which obviously has a huge influence on them -- so they become the worthless, annoying, snivveling little shits we have seen. The value of Kennedy's years of training may well have less to do with any physical skills she has picked up -- we've seen in Buffy how far being chosen can take you without prior training -- than with instilling in her the idea that she CAN DO SOMETHING and removing or suppressing the desire to cry "Uncle!" Sure, there are some people who are sufficiently not-cut-out-for combat that even with drill they cannot overcome their fears -- I'd argue that much of that comes from the same kind of coddling or lack of expectation during their childhood, but it's neither here nor there -- but not expecting anything from them ain't helping.

2003-01-10 08:34:43-08:00 - Re: Slayers-in-training: More annoying than Connor and Dawn COMBINED! - (czrisher@yahoo.com)


Carmikl <Carmikl@rcn.com> wrote in message news:<3E1B8E77.F9DD9B6F@rcn.com>... > st wrote: <snip> > There's an interesting phenomena that occurs in first combat, and that > is the fear of being afraid is frequently more powerful than the fear of > getting killed. My first day in the field someone yelled corpsman up and <snip> This is what comes of expecting something from people. Marines and soldiers are expected to conquer their fears, and the peer pressure helps them to do that. The SiTs are allowed to embrace their fear and convince themselves that they cannot do anything -- and be seconded by folks on this NG, which obviously has a huge influence on them -- so they become the worthless, annoying, snivveling little shits we have seen. The value of Kennedy's years of training may well have less to do with any physical skills she has picked up -- we've seen in Buffy how far being chosen can take you without prior training -- than with instilling in her the idea that she CAN DO SOMETHING and removing or suppressing the desire to cry "Uncle!" Sure, there are some people who are sufficiently not-cut-out-for combat that even with drill they cannot overcome their fears -- I'd argue that much of that comes from the same kind of coddling or lack of expectation during their childhood, but it's neither here nor there -- but not expecting anything from them ain't helping.

2003-01-13 15:58:50+00:00 - Re: Slayers-in-training: More annoying than Connor and Dawn COMBINED! - (sillyman@famous.com)


On Wed, 08 Jan 2003 03:07:18 GMT, Smaug69 <smaug69xx@carolinaxx.rrxx.com> wrote: >From somewhere over there "Rupert Pupkin" <gringo@yahoo.com> mumbled >incoherently: > >>Anyone else think those stupid newbies slayers are snobby bitches? All they >>do is complain! They are quick to bitch about Buffy's plans, but what the >>hell are their ideas? Lets see the options. Stay with the real slayer or >>run away alone and die. hmmmmm > >The First stirred them up pretty good, didn't it? > >-- >"Who comes to slay the dragon- come to watch him fall? >Making arrows out of pointed words. Giant killers, at the call." It's not just bitches that act that way, but I know what you mean. It's annoying that you sometimes have to compel people to do what is obviously in their best interest. Most of life's examples aren't as clear-cut as this example of course.

2003-01-13 15:58:50+00:00 - Re: Slayers-in-training: More annoying than Connor and Dawn COMBINED! - (sillyman@famous.com)


On Wed, 08 Jan 2003 03:07:18 GMT, Smaug69 <smaug69xx@carolinaxx.rrxx.com> wrote: >From somewhere over there "Rupert Pupkin" <gringo@yahoo.com> mumbled >incoherently: > >>Anyone else think those stupid newbies slayers are snobby bitches? All they >>do is complain! They are quick to bitch about Buffy's plans, but what the >>hell are their ideas? Lets see the options. Stay with the real slayer or >>run away alone and die. hmmmmm > >The First stirred them up pretty good, didn't it? > >-- >"Who comes to slay the dragon- come to watch him fall? >Making arrows out of pointed words. Giant killers, at the call." It's not just bitches that act that way, but I know what you mean. It's annoying that you sometimes have to compel people to do what is obviously in their best interest. Most of life's examples aren't as clear-cut as this example of course.