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2003-05-13 00:31:04-04:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)


In article <3EC0634D.1080706@rogers.com>, Jane Davitt <jdavitt01@rogers.com> wrote: > Space, lots of it. > j > k > l > > > > s > > f > > a > > a > > l > h > h > h > > n > n > > > > > > > > Enough? > > > Did anyone else get the same feeling about Ye Ancient Tombe as we did > when Drac's castle appeared in Sunnydale? Buffy never noticed it before? > And I'm not 100% sure how she knew to go to it and how Angel found her > in the Nick of Time. More snuffling? It's just another weird looking tomb in Sunnydale. Heck, it ain't even the only pyramid in Sunnydale's grave yards. > I liked this episode. And Caleb's downfall was satisfying. How did he > get behind the woman though? Through a mystic back door? Same way Spike got in. -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

2003-05-13 00:31:04-04:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)


In article <3EC0634D.1080706@rogers.com>, Jane Davitt <jdavitt01@rogers.com> wrote: > Space, lots of it. > j > k > l > > > > s > > f > > a > > a > > l > h > h > h > > n > n > > > > > > > > Enough? > > > Did anyone else get the same feeling about Ye Ancient Tombe as we did > when Drac's castle appeared in Sunnydale? Buffy never noticed it before? > And I'm not 100% sure how she knew to go to it and how Angel found her > in the Nick of Time. More snuffling? It's just another weird looking tomb in Sunnydale. Heck, it ain't even the only pyramid in Sunnydale's grave yards. > I liked this episode. And Caleb's downfall was satisfying. How did he > get behind the woman though? Through a mystic back door? Same way Spike got in. -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

2003-05-13 03:15:21+00:00 - Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (Jane Davitt <jdavitt01@rogers.com>)


Space, lots of it. j k l s f a a l h h h n n Enough? I watched it alone on the computer as husband has whizzed away to the US and won't be back until late tomorrow. I was glad as it allowed me to Emote when Spike and Buffy had their moment (he would have been making scoffing noises and I would have had to silence him with a well aimed mouse to the head)and I also got to scream, "NO!!!!" when Angel came in and Saved The Day. Was I the only one wanting Andrew and Anya to bonk like bunn, er, whatevers? He shouldn't die a virgin. No one should. Who died? Some people died and they were all red shirts? Humph. In all fairness, Kennedy did good. She was brave and selfless. I still hate her but I won't write more nasty fics about her. But I'd gotten bored of that anyway, so not much sacrifice there. Giles was more like himself. I liked the subtle needling of Willow and ::heart:: him for ever as he loves Jaffa cakes too. I adore them. Especially when you eat off the sponge, lick off the dark chocolate and get to the smashing orangey bit in the middle (TM). Willow; it's a bloody apocalypse, woman. Stop whining about your hair. My God, was Buffy chipper and chirpy or what? And what's with all the leaping off beds people have bonked on? Fastidious much? I'm sure they mopped up afterwards and if Faith left her bra on, I bet Robin was still in his undies. Loved that we didn't get to hear all of Buffy's letter to Dawn but it would have been nice to have found out what was in Buffy's to Spike and if that isn't tucked inside his jacket I'll be muchly surprised. Did anyone else get the same feeling about Ye Ancient Tombe as we did when Drac's castle appeared in Sunnydale? Buffy never noticed it before? And I'm not 100% sure how she knew to go to it and how Angel found her in the Nick of Time. More snuffling? I liked this episode. And Caleb's downfall was satisfying. How did he get behind the woman though? Through a mystic back door? As for the final scene :whimper: She's not worthy, Spike. Or the Slaying made her horny. Wave a low fat raspberry yoghurt and watch her fling Angel aside. Jane -- Read my Buffy the Vampire Slayer fiction at http://members.rogers.com/jdavitt01/index.html http://www.fanfiction.net/profile.php?userid=231516

2003-05-13 03:15:21+00:00 - Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (Jane Davitt <jdavitt01@rogers.com>)


Space, lots of it. j k l s f a a l h h h n n Enough? I watched it alone on the computer as husband has whizzed away to the US and won't be back until late tomorrow. I was glad as it allowed me to Emote when Spike and Buffy had their moment (he would have been making scoffing noises and I would have had to silence him with a well aimed mouse to the head)and I also got to scream, "NO!!!!" when Angel came in and Saved The Day. Was I the only one wanting Andrew and Anya to bonk like bunn, er, whatevers? He shouldn't die a virgin. No one should. Who died? Some people died and they were all red shirts? Humph. In all fairness, Kennedy did good. She was brave and selfless. I still hate her but I won't write more nasty fics about her. But I'd gotten bored of that anyway, so not much sacrifice there. Giles was more like himself. I liked the subtle needling of Willow and ::heart:: him for ever as he loves Jaffa cakes too. I adore them. Especially when you eat off the sponge, lick off the dark chocolate and get to the smashing orangey bit in the middle (TM). Willow; it's a bloody apocalypse, woman. Stop whining about your hair. My God, was Buffy chipper and chirpy or what? And what's with all the leaping off beds people have bonked on? Fastidious much? I'm sure they mopped up afterwards and if Faith left her bra on, I bet Robin was still in his undies. Loved that we didn't get to hear all of Buffy's letter to Dawn but it would have been nice to have found out what was in Buffy's to Spike and if that isn't tucked inside his jacket I'll be muchly surprised. Did anyone else get the same feeling about Ye Ancient Tombe as we did when Drac's castle appeared in Sunnydale? Buffy never noticed it before? And I'm not 100% sure how she knew to go to it and how Angel found her in the Nick of Time. More snuffling? I liked this episode. And Caleb's downfall was satisfying. How did he get behind the woman though? Through a mystic back door? As for the final scene :whimper: She's not worthy, Spike. Or the Slaying made her horny. Wave a low fat raspberry yoghurt and watch her fling Angel aside. Jane -- Read my Buffy the Vampire Slayer fiction at http://members.rogers.com/jdavitt01/index.html http://www.fanfiction.net/profile.php?userid=231516

2003-05-13 04:02:00-04:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)


In article <b651cvoh2mcs6fr9f8q1li22tqam8uafq9@4ax.com>, Jyeshta <whatever@twixtntween.com> wrote: > On Tue, 13 May 2003 03:15:21 GMT, Jane Davitt <jdavitt01@rogers.com> > wrote: > > >Space, lots of it. > >j > >k > >l > > > > > > > >s > > > >f > > > >a > > > >a > > > >l > >h > >h > >h > > > >n > >n > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Enough? > > > > > >I watched it alone on the computer as husband has whizzed away to the US > >and won't be back until late tomorrow. I was glad as it allowed me to > >Emote when Spike and Buffy had their moment (he would have been making > >scoffing noises and I would have had to silence him with a well aimed > >mouse to the head)and I also got to scream, "NO!!!!" when Angel came in > >and Saved The Day. > > That was such a total letdown after Buffy tells Spike their prior > night was the "same" for her (the most wonderful of her life). Maybe if Buffy had said something like that, you might have a case, but she never did. She said that it meant something to her, but she also says she doesn't know what it meant. She never said anyting about feeling the same way as Spike. -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

2003-05-13 04:02:00-04:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)


In article <b651cvoh2mcs6fr9f8q1li22tqam8uafq9@4ax.com>, Jyeshta <whatever@twixtntween.com> wrote: > On Tue, 13 May 2003 03:15:21 GMT, Jane Davitt <jdavitt01@rogers.com> > wrote: > > >Space, lots of it. > >j > >k > >l > > > > > > > >s > > > >f > > > >a > > > >a > > > >l > >h > >h > >h > > > >n > >n > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Enough? > > > > > >I watched it alone on the computer as husband has whizzed away to the US > >and won't be back until late tomorrow. I was glad as it allowed me to > >Emote when Spike and Buffy had their moment (he would have been making > >scoffing noises and I would have had to silence him with a well aimed > >mouse to the head)and I also got to scream, "NO!!!!" when Angel came in > >and Saved The Day. > > That was such a total letdown after Buffy tells Spike their prior > night was the "same" for her (the most wonderful of her life). Maybe if Buffy had said something like that, you might have a case, but she never did. She said that it meant something to her, but she also says she doesn't know what it meant. She never said anyting about feeling the same way as Spike. -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

2003-05-13 04:44:13-05:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (Zombie Elvis <DELETE-ME-2-REPLY-robertocastillo@ameritech.net>)


It was a time of great turmoil. The strong preyed on the weak, dogs and cats lived together. One voice cried out in the wilderness: Jane Davitt <jdavitt01@rogers.com> wrote in <3EC0634D.1080706@rogers.com>: > Space, lots of it. > j > k > l > > > > s > > f > > a > > a > > l > h > h > h > > n > n > > > > > > > > Was I the only one wanting Andrew and Anya to bonk like bunn, er, > whatevers? He shouldn't die a virgin. No one should. I was hoping to see that too but Andrew is too gay for that. I still loved seeing him tell her that she was the perfect woman after the Jaws reference though. -- "Now, wait a minute. You think I'm evil if I bring a group of girls on a camping trip and *don't* touch them?" -- Rupert Giles Roberto Castillo robertocastillo@ameritech.net http://www.enteract.com/~castillo

2003-05-13 04:44:13-05:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (Zombie Elvis <DELETE-ME-2-REPLY-robertocastillo@ameritech.net>)


It was a time of great turmoil. The strong preyed on the weak, dogs and cats lived together. One voice cried out in the wilderness: Jane Davitt <jdavitt01@rogers.com> wrote in <3EC0634D.1080706@rogers.com>: > Space, lots of it. > j > k > l > > > > s > > f > > a > > a > > l > h > h > h > > n > n > > > > > > > > Was I the only one wanting Andrew and Anya to bonk like bunn, er, > whatevers? He shouldn't die a virgin. No one should. I was hoping to see that too but Andrew is too gay for that. I still loved seeing him tell her that she was the perfect woman after the Jaws reference though. -- "Now, wait a minute. You think I'm evil if I bring a group of girls on a camping trip and *don't* touch them?" -- Rupert Giles Roberto Castillo robertocastillo@ameritech.net http://www.enteract.com/~castillo

2003-05-13 04:44:16-05:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (Zombie Elvis <DELETE-ME-2-REPLY-robertocastillo@ameritech.net>)


It was a time of great turmoil. The strong preyed on the weak, dogs and cats lived together. One voice cried out in the wilderness: portia <portia@belmont.it> wrote in <130520030839232668%portia@belmont.it>: > > Yeah, I think the writers underestimated the interest many fans would > have in knowing what was in the letter to Spike. Guess we'll have to > conclude that it wasn't anything personal (!). I think that the writers are well aware of the interest. That's why they're torturing us by not telling us. -- "Now, wait a minute. You think I'm evil if I bring a group of girls on a camping trip and *don't* touch them?" -- Rupert Giles Roberto Castillo robertocastillo@ameritech.net http://www.enteract.com/~castillo

2003-05-13 04:44:16-05:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (Zombie Elvis <DELETE-ME-2-REPLY-robertocastillo@ameritech.net>)


It was a time of great turmoil. The strong preyed on the weak, dogs and cats lived together. One voice cried out in the wilderness: portia <portia@belmont.it> wrote in <130520030839232668%portia@belmont.it>: > > Yeah, I think the writers underestimated the interest many fans would > have in knowing what was in the letter to Spike. Guess we'll have to > conclude that it wasn't anything personal (!). I think that the writers are well aware of the interest. That's why they're torturing us by not telling us. -- "Now, wait a minute. You think I'm evil if I bring a group of girls on a camping trip and *don't* touch them?" -- Rupert Giles Roberto Castillo robertocastillo@ameritech.net http://www.enteract.com/~castillo

2003-05-13 05:45:25+00:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (portia <portia@belmont.it>)


In article <3EC0634D.1080706@rogers.com>, Jane Davitt <jdavitt01@rogers.com> wrote: > Space, lots of it. > j > k > l > > > > s > > f > > a > > a > > l > h > h > h > > n > n > > > > > > > > Enough? > > > I watched it alone on the computer as husband has whizzed away to the US > and won't be back until late tomorrow. I was glad as it allowed me to > Emote when Spike and Buffy had their moment (he would have been making > scoffing noises and I would have had to silence him with a well aimed > mouse to the head)and I also got to scream, "NO!!!!" when Angel came in > and Saved The Day. Hi, Jane. :-). Nah, I didn't scream, I went with the huge grin. And it got huger when, having delivered one blow, he moved to the side to watch. Very careful to _not_ be the Saver of the Day. Right there with ya on the Spike and Buffy scene. Fully enjoyable. You can conclude from the above that I think Buffy loves both these guys, in very different ways. Oh, yeah, and that she is not particularly "in love" with either of them at the moment. Too much other stuff going on in her head. :-) > Was I the only one wanting Andrew and Anya to bonk like bunn, er, > whatevers? He shouldn't die a virgin. No one should. I'd bet real money you're not the only one *G*, but I didn't go there, myself. I've been wishing he wouldn't die a virgin, either, but have resigned myself to it, since there aren't any gay guys around for him to seduce with his awkward charms. > Who died? Some people died and they were all red shirts? Humph. In all > fairness, Kennedy did good. She was brave and selfless. I still hate her > but I won't write more nasty fics about her. But I'd gotten bored of > that anyway, so not much sacrifice there. Yeah, red-shirts. It was highly satisfying. When I watched Empty Places, I didn't think there was any way I could feel better about it, but those dead red shirts (god, this is gru) were heartening. And when Buffy arrived--man! Very exciting. I'm with you re: Kennedy. I've never been a fan (belong in the, "yeah, so?" catagory of tolerance) but she showed her mettle (FINALLY) here. > Giles was more like himself. Yes! Read somewhere else that someone was finally convinced he's evil because of his behavior in EOD. Well, I'm finally convinced he's Giles. It was as if he was finally "back." This was the Giles I knew and loved. > Willow; it's a bloody apocalypse, woman. Stop whining about your hair. *G* > My God, was Buffy chipper and chirpy or what? I loved it (I loved this ep). The SITs in S7 had the misfortune of serving a purpose similar to Dawn in S6: laying a guilt trip on Buffy and making her unhappy. I didn't mind seeing the best of Buffy grins and quips any more than I minded seeing the Real Deal Giles again. > And what's with all the > leaping off beds people have bonked on? Fastidious much? *G* I liked that, too. I think it was the scholastic twist on the "adults have sex, too?" attitude Buffy has always had (especially re: Giles). It wasn't the idea of Faith, it was the fact that it was "Principal Wood!" :-)) > Loved that we didn't get to hear all of Buffy's letter to Dawn but it > would have been nice to have found out what was in Buffy's to Spike and > if that isn't tucked inside his jacket I'll be muchly surprised. Yep. Wasn't Dawn's instant comprehension and subsequent action incredible? So many abrupt U-turns in this ep. Cool! Yeah, I think the writers underestimated the interest many fans would have in knowing what was in the letter to Spike. Guess we'll have to conclude that it wasn't anything personal (!). > Did anyone else get the same feeling about Ye Ancient Tombe as we did > when Drac's castle appeared in Sunnydale? Buffy never noticed it before? > And I'm not 100% sure how she knew to go to it and how Angel found her > in the Nick of Time. More snuffling? I'm goin' with snuffling. It's what all the cool vamps are doin' this year. But hey, hasn't there been a pyramid tomb in the parking-lot graveyard set for years? I was sort of thrilled to see it used (if it was). Gotta go re-watch to see where the hell the Egyptian (or Aztec?) themes came from. > I liked this episode. And Caleb's downfall was satisfying. How did he > get behind the woman though? Through a mystic back door? He works in mysterious ways. Maybe snuck in through the main door. Loved this ep. Especially, I must repeat, the after-bomb scenes in the tunnsle. The sight of those 3 ubervambs terrified me (and villains NEVER terrify me). Gonna take great pleasure in ignoring the posts of those who were expecting something else and will thus, shock of shocks, be disappointed in this. These final eps are exactly what this season has been aiming at, thematically and in terms of character, since Lessons. I can't ask any more of storytelling. > As for the final scene :whimper: She's not worthy, Spike. Or the Slaying > made her horny. Wave a low fat raspberry yoghurt and watch her fling > Angel aside. Oh, pishaw! ;-)) Still??? With all respect (and you know I respect you, Jane) is it really worth dissing Buffy on her way out the door, just to shore up the mythos of a ship that isn't seaworthy? Spike said he doesn't want anything from her, and I believe him (I believe that this is the form of love--unconditional--that ensouled Spike feels). She has told him that she cares for him, that he is important to her; she has accepted his love for her. She has honestly told him that she doesn't know what it all means. She is on record as saying that she loved Angel more than anyone in the world. In her current "in touch" with herself state of mind, she damned well better greet him with a good, clinchy kiss! Love in a many splendored thing, I've heard, and she hasn't done anything wrong, or out of character. She is so worthy it's scary. It's enough for me. BTW, my bet is that Spike will fully understand. I believe in him, you know (see above re unconditional)! Can't wait to find out if I'm right! Thanks, Jane, as always p0rtia > Jane

2003-05-13 05:45:25+00:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (portia <portia@belmont.it>)


In article <3EC0634D.1080706@rogers.com>, Jane Davitt <jdavitt01@rogers.com> wrote: > Space, lots of it. > j > k > l > > > > s > > f > > a > > a > > l > h > h > h > > n > n > > > > > > > > Enough? > > > I watched it alone on the computer as husband has whizzed away to the US > and won't be back until late tomorrow. I was glad as it allowed me to > Emote when Spike and Buffy had their moment (he would have been making > scoffing noises and I would have had to silence him with a well aimed > mouse to the head)and I also got to scream, "NO!!!!" when Angel came in > and Saved The Day. Hi, Jane. :-). Nah, I didn't scream, I went with the huge grin. And it got huger when, having delivered one blow, he moved to the side to watch. Very careful to _not_ be the Saver of the Day. Right there with ya on the Spike and Buffy scene. Fully enjoyable. You can conclude from the above that I think Buffy loves both these guys, in very different ways. Oh, yeah, and that she is not particularly "in love" with either of them at the moment. Too much other stuff going on in her head. :-) > Was I the only one wanting Andrew and Anya to bonk like bunn, er, > whatevers? He shouldn't die a virgin. No one should. I'd bet real money you're not the only one *G*, but I didn't go there, myself. I've been wishing he wouldn't die a virgin, either, but have resigned myself to it, since there aren't any gay guys around for him to seduce with his awkward charms. > Who died? Some people died and they were all red shirts? Humph. In all > fairness, Kennedy did good. She was brave and selfless. I still hate her > but I won't write more nasty fics about her. But I'd gotten bored of > that anyway, so not much sacrifice there. Yeah, red-shirts. It was highly satisfying. When I watched Empty Places, I didn't think there was any way I could feel better about it, but those dead red shirts (god, this is gru) were heartening. And when Buffy arrived--man! Very exciting. I'm with you re: Kennedy. I've never been a fan (belong in the, "yeah, so?" catagory of tolerance) but she showed her mettle (FINALLY) here. > Giles was more like himself. Yes! Read somewhere else that someone was finally convinced he's evil because of his behavior in EOD. Well, I'm finally convinced he's Giles. It was as if he was finally "back." This was the Giles I knew and loved. > Willow; it's a bloody apocalypse, woman. Stop whining about your hair. *G* > My God, was Buffy chipper and chirpy or what? I loved it (I loved this ep). The SITs in S7 had the misfortune of serving a purpose similar to Dawn in S6: laying a guilt trip on Buffy and making her unhappy. I didn't mind seeing the best of Buffy grins and quips any more than I minded seeing the Real Deal Giles again. > And what's with all the > leaping off beds people have bonked on? Fastidious much? *G* I liked that, too. I think it was the scholastic twist on the "adults have sex, too?" attitude Buffy has always had (especially re: Giles). It wasn't the idea of Faith, it was the fact that it was "Principal Wood!" :-)) > Loved that we didn't get to hear all of Buffy's letter to Dawn but it > would have been nice to have found out what was in Buffy's to Spike and > if that isn't tucked inside his jacket I'll be muchly surprised. Yep. Wasn't Dawn's instant comprehension and subsequent action incredible? So many abrupt U-turns in this ep. Cool! Yeah, I think the writers underestimated the interest many fans would have in knowing what was in the letter to Spike. Guess we'll have to conclude that it wasn't anything personal (!). > Did anyone else get the same feeling about Ye Ancient Tombe as we did > when Drac's castle appeared in Sunnydale? Buffy never noticed it before? > And I'm not 100% sure how she knew to go to it and how Angel found her > in the Nick of Time. More snuffling? I'm goin' with snuffling. It's what all the cool vamps are doin' this year. But hey, hasn't there been a pyramid tomb in the parking-lot graveyard set for years? I was sort of thrilled to see it used (if it was). Gotta go re-watch to see where the hell the Egyptian (or Aztec?) themes came from. > I liked this episode. And Caleb's downfall was satisfying. How did he > get behind the woman though? Through a mystic back door? He works in mysterious ways. Maybe snuck in through the main door. Loved this ep. Especially, I must repeat, the after-bomb scenes in the tunnsle. The sight of those 3 ubervambs terrified me (and villains NEVER terrify me). Gonna take great pleasure in ignoring the posts of those who were expecting something else and will thus, shock of shocks, be disappointed in this. These final eps are exactly what this season has been aiming at, thematically and in terms of character, since Lessons. I can't ask any more of storytelling. > As for the final scene :whimper: She's not worthy, Spike. Or the Slaying > made her horny. Wave a low fat raspberry yoghurt and watch her fling > Angel aside. Oh, pishaw! ;-)) Still??? With all respect (and you know I respect you, Jane) is it really worth dissing Buffy on her way out the door, just to shore up the mythos of a ship that isn't seaworthy? Spike said he doesn't want anything from her, and I believe him (I believe that this is the form of love--unconditional--that ensouled Spike feels). She has told him that she cares for him, that he is important to her; she has accepted his love for her. She has honestly told him that she doesn't know what it all means. She is on record as saying that she loved Angel more than anyone in the world. In her current "in touch" with herself state of mind, she damned well better greet him with a good, clinchy kiss! Love in a many splendored thing, I've heard, and she hasn't done anything wrong, or out of character. She is so worthy it's scary. It's enough for me. BTW, my bet is that Spike will fully understand. I believe in him, you know (see above re unconditional)! Can't wait to find out if I'm right! Thanks, Jane, as always p0rtia > Jane

2003-05-13 06:50:43+00:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (Jyeshta <whatever@twixtntween.com>)


On Tue, 13 May 2003 03:15:21 GMT, Jane Davitt <jdavitt01@rogers.com> wrote: >Space, lots of it. >j >k >l > > > >s > >f > >a > >a > >l >h >h >h > >n >n > > > > > > > >Enough? > > >I watched it alone on the computer as husband has whizzed away to the US >and won't be back until late tomorrow. I was glad as it allowed me to >Emote when Spike and Buffy had their moment (he would have been making >scoffing noises and I would have had to silence him with a well aimed >mouse to the head)and I also got to scream, "NO!!!!" when Angel came in >and Saved The Day. That was such a total letdown after Buffy tells Spike their prior night was the "same" for her (the most wonderful of her life). >Was I the only one wanting Andrew and Anya to bonk like bunn, er, >whatevers? He shouldn't die a virgin. No one should. I thought they might, but Anya's too 'old' for him. He's like a 12 year old. >Who died? Some people died and they were all red shirts? Humph. In all >fairness, Kennedy did good. She was brave and selfless. I still hate her >but I won't write more nasty fics about her. But I'd gotten bored of >that anyway, so not much sacrifice there. I was disgusted to see her alive. >Giles was more like himself. I liked the subtle needling of Willow and >::heart:: him for ever as he loves Jaffa cakes too. I adore them. >Especially when you eat off the sponge, lick off the dark chocolate and >get to the smashing orangey bit in the middle (TM). Nothing can probably restore my affection for Willow or Giles (or Dawn). >Loved that we didn't get to hear all of Buffy's letter to Dawn but it >would have been nice to have found out what was in Buffy's to Spike and >if that isn't tucked inside his jacket I'll be muchly surprised. I *hated* that Buffy's voice, reciting the letter, was such a dull monotone. What's going on with this show?! >Did anyone else get the same feeling about Ye Ancient Tombe as we did >when Drac's castle appeared in Sunnydale? Buffy never noticed it before? >And I'm not 100% sure how she knew to go to it and how Angel found her >in the Nick of Time. More snuffling? Nothing makes sense or has any coherence. The writers are half-wits and the acting was wooden.

2003-05-13 06:50:43+00:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (Jyeshta <whatever@twixtntween.com>)


On Tue, 13 May 2003 03:15:21 GMT, Jane Davitt <jdavitt01@rogers.com> wrote: >Space, lots of it. >j >k >l > > > >s > >f > >a > >a > >l >h >h >h > >n >n > > > > > > > >Enough? > > >I watched it alone on the computer as husband has whizzed away to the US >and won't be back until late tomorrow. I was glad as it allowed me to >Emote when Spike and Buffy had their moment (he would have been making >scoffing noises and I would have had to silence him with a well aimed >mouse to the head)and I also got to scream, "NO!!!!" when Angel came in >and Saved The Day. That was such a total letdown after Buffy tells Spike their prior night was the "same" for her (the most wonderful of her life). >Was I the only one wanting Andrew and Anya to bonk like bunn, er, >whatevers? He shouldn't die a virgin. No one should. I thought they might, but Anya's too 'old' for him. He's like a 12 year old. >Who died? Some people died and they were all red shirts? Humph. In all >fairness, Kennedy did good. She was brave and selfless. I still hate her >but I won't write more nasty fics about her. But I'd gotten bored of >that anyway, so not much sacrifice there. I was disgusted to see her alive. >Giles was more like himself. I liked the subtle needling of Willow and >::heart:: him for ever as he loves Jaffa cakes too. I adore them. >Especially when you eat off the sponge, lick off the dark chocolate and >get to the smashing orangey bit in the middle (TM). Nothing can probably restore my affection for Willow or Giles (or Dawn). >Loved that we didn't get to hear all of Buffy's letter to Dawn but it >would have been nice to have found out what was in Buffy's to Spike and >if that isn't tucked inside his jacket I'll be muchly surprised. I *hated* that Buffy's voice, reciting the letter, was such a dull monotone. What's going on with this show?! >Did anyone else get the same feeling about Ye Ancient Tombe as we did >when Drac's castle appeared in Sunnydale? Buffy never noticed it before? >And I'm not 100% sure how she knew to go to it and how Angel found her >in the Nick of Time. More snuffling? Nothing makes sense or has any coherence. The writers are half-wits and the acting was wooden.

2003-05-13 08:22:39-07:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (ladydagon@yahoo.com)


Jane Davitt <jdavitt01@rogers.com> wrote in message news:<3EC0634D.1080706@rogers.com>... > Space, lots of it. > j > k > l > > > s > > f > > a > > a > > l > h > h > h > > n > n > > > Was I the only one wanting Andrew and Anya to bonk like bunn, er, > whatevers? He shouldn't die a virgin. No one should. Andrew is gay. Why would you think he would want to bonk Anya? If you don't want him to die a virgin (and, by the way, how do you know he is?), why didn't you suggest Xander and Andrew, or Andrew and Spike? Oh, but Xander and Spike are heterosexuals. They wouldn't be interested in having sex with Andrew! Nor would Andrew, who is homosexual, would want to have sex with Anya. Do you have a clue now? -The Lady

2003-05-13 08:22:39-07:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (ladydagon@yahoo.com)


Jane Davitt <jdavitt01@rogers.com> wrote in message news:<3EC0634D.1080706@rogers.com>... > Space, lots of it. > j > k > l > > > s > > f > > a > > a > > l > h > h > h > > n > n > > > Was I the only one wanting Andrew and Anya to bonk like bunn, er, > whatevers? He shouldn't die a virgin. No one should. Andrew is gay. Why would you think he would want to bonk Anya? If you don't want him to die a virgin (and, by the way, how do you know he is?), why didn't you suggest Xander and Andrew, or Andrew and Spike? Oh, but Xander and Spike are heterosexuals. They wouldn't be interested in having sex with Andrew! Nor would Andrew, who is homosexual, would want to have sex with Anya. Do you have a clue now? -The Lady

2003-05-13 09:31:10-07:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (Joe Curwen <jcurwen@freeonline.com>)


In article <ejf1cvcoqg28c4mplj00uk77lcsna3r0bc@4ax.com>, Zombie says... > >It was a time of great turmoil. The strong preyed on the weak, dogs >and cats lived together. One voice cried out in the wilderness: portia ><portia@belmont.it> wrote in <130520030839232668%portia@belmont.it>: > >> >> Yeah, I think the writers underestimated the interest many fans would >> have in knowing what was in the letter to Spike. Guess we'll have to >> conclude that it wasn't anything personal (!). > >I think that the writers are well aware of the interest. That's why >they're torturing us by not telling us. > > Here it is: S Had to go. -Don't forget to make the bed. -If you go to the store, I need: Tab Tampons Soap Opera Digest Later, B Joe

2003-05-13 09:31:10-07:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (Joe Curwen <jcurwen@freeonline.com>)


In article <ejf1cvcoqg28c4mplj00uk77lcsna3r0bc@4ax.com>, Zombie says... > >It was a time of great turmoil. The strong preyed on the weak, dogs >and cats lived together. One voice cried out in the wilderness: portia ><portia@belmont.it> wrote in <130520030839232668%portia@belmont.it>: > >> >> Yeah, I think the writers underestimated the interest many fans would >> have in knowing what was in the letter to Spike. Guess we'll have to >> conclude that it wasn't anything personal (!). > >I think that the writers are well aware of the interest. That's why >they're torturing us by not telling us. > > Here it is: S Had to go. -Don't forget to make the bed. -If you go to the store, I need: Tab Tampons Soap Opera Digest Later, B Joe

2003-05-13 14:51:48-04:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)


In article <3EC12541.4050102@rogers.com>, Jane Davitt <jdavitt01@rogers.com> wrote: > Don Sample wrote: > > In article <3EC0634D.1080706@rogers.com>, Jane Davitt > > <jdavitt01@rogers.com> wrote: > > > > > >>Space, lots of it. > >>j > >>k > >>l > >> > >> > >> > >>s > >> > >>f > >> > >>a > >> > >>a > >> > >>l > >>h > >>h > >>h > >> > >>n > >>n > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>Enough? > >> > >> > >>Did anyone else get the same feeling about Ye Ancient Tombe as we did > >>when Drac's castle appeared in Sunnydale? Buffy never noticed it before? > >>And I'm not 100% sure how she knew to go to it and how Angel found her > >>in the Nick of Time. More snuffling? > > > > > > It's just another weird looking tomb in Sunnydale. Heck, it ain't even > > the only pyramid in Sunnydale's grave yards. > > > > > > > >>I liked this episode. And Caleb's downfall was satisfying. How did he > >>get behind the woman though? Through a mystic back door? > > > > > > Same way Spike got in. > > > > She's spent 7 years walking around them; she should know them all. And when Giles says "It's pyramid shaped crypt, with a wing pattern over the door." Buffy says. "Oh yeah, the one by Shadey Pines cemetery." > And > does that woman pop out for food, or more torches to light up the room? > That was all a bit too much. The torches were magic, lighting up as required. The woman was held in a sort of suspened animation, waiting until her time was at hand. Kinda like Merlin in his cave. > > Caleb appeared behind her; Spike followed Buffy through the front door > as far as I could tell. > > Jane He was off on the other side of the temple from the door Buffy came in. How did he wander across without being seen? -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

2003-05-13 14:51:48-04:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)


In article <3EC12541.4050102@rogers.com>, Jane Davitt <jdavitt01@rogers.com> wrote: > Don Sample wrote: > > In article <3EC0634D.1080706@rogers.com>, Jane Davitt > > <jdavitt01@rogers.com> wrote: > > > > > >>Space, lots of it. > >>j > >>k > >>l > >> > >> > >> > >>s > >> > >>f > >> > >>a > >> > >>a > >> > >>l > >>h > >>h > >>h > >> > >>n > >>n > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>Enough? > >> > >> > >>Did anyone else get the same feeling about Ye Ancient Tombe as we did > >>when Drac's castle appeared in Sunnydale? Buffy never noticed it before? > >>And I'm not 100% sure how she knew to go to it and how Angel found her > >>in the Nick of Time. More snuffling? > > > > > > It's just another weird looking tomb in Sunnydale. Heck, it ain't even > > the only pyramid in Sunnydale's grave yards. > > > > > > > >>I liked this episode. And Caleb's downfall was satisfying. How did he > >>get behind the woman though? Through a mystic back door? > > > > > > Same way Spike got in. > > > > She's spent 7 years walking around them; she should know them all. And when Giles says "It's pyramid shaped crypt, with a wing pattern over the door." Buffy says. "Oh yeah, the one by Shadey Pines cemetery." > And > does that woman pop out for food, or more torches to light up the room? > That was all a bit too much. The torches were magic, lighting up as required. The woman was held in a sort of suspened animation, waiting until her time was at hand. Kinda like Merlin in his cave. > > Caleb appeared behind her; Spike followed Buffy through the front door > as far as I could tell. > > Jane He was off on the other side of the temple from the door Buffy came in. How did he wander across without being seen? -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

2003-05-13 15:01:45-04:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)


In article <rr72cv0t3sgu79jbjci0sg1kgiv81i443b@4ax.com>, Jyeshta <whatever@twixtntween.com> wrote: > On Tue, 13 May 2003 04:02:00 -0400, Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net> > wrote: > > >In article <b651cvoh2mcs6fr9f8q1li22tqam8uafq9@4ax.com>, Jyeshta > ><whatever@twixtntween.com> wrote: > > > >> On Tue, 13 May 2003 03:15:21 GMT, Jane Davitt <jdavitt01@rogers.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> >Space, lots of it. > >> >j > >> >k > >> >l > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >s > >> > > >> >f > >> > > >> >a > >> > > >> >a > >> > > >> >l > >> >h > >> >h > >> >h > >> > > >> >n > >> >n > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >Enough? > >> > > >> > > >> >I watched it alone on the computer as husband has whizzed away to the US > >> >and won't be back until late tomorrow. I was glad as it allowed me to > >> >Emote when Spike and Buffy had their moment (he would have been making > >> >scoffing noises and I would have had to silence him with a well aimed > >> >mouse to the head)and I also got to scream, "NO!!!!" when Angel came in > >> >and Saved The Day. > >> > >> That was such a total letdown after Buffy tells Spike their prior > >> night was the "same" for her (the most wonderful of her life). > > > >Maybe if Buffy had said something like that, you might have a case, but > >she never did. She said that it meant something to her, but she also > >says she doesn't know what it meant. She never said anyting about > >feeling the same way as Spike. > > I forget the exact dialog, but Spike tells Buffy it had been the most > wonderful night of his life. He tries to find out how she feels, and > she said, "the same, didn't I just say that?". I'm paraphrasing, but > that is how I understood that scene. Buffy: Do you see this? This may actually help me fight my war. This might be the key to everything. And the reason I'm holding it is because of you. Because of the strength that you gave me last night. I am tired of defensiveness and weird, mixed signals. You know, I have Faith for that. Let's just get to the truth here, okay? I don't know how you felt about last night, but I will not-- Spike: Terrified. Buffy: Of what? Spike: Last night was... God, I'm such a jerk. I can't do this. Buffy: Spike. Spike: It was the best night of my life. If you poke fun at me, you bloody well better use that, 'cause I couldn't bear it. It may not mean that much to <em>you</em>, but-- Buffy: I just told you it did. Spike: [Sighs] Yeah...I hear you say it, but...I've lived for soddin' ever, Buffy. I've done everything. Done things with you I can't spell, but...I've never...been close...to anyone. Least of all, you. Till last night. All I did was...hold you, watch you sleep. And it was the best night of my life. So, yeah... I'm...terrified. Buffy: You don't have to be. Spike: Were you there with me? Buffy: I was. Spike: What does that mean? Buffy: I don't know. Does it have to mean something? That night was important to her. It meant something, but she doesn't know what -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

2003-05-13 15:01:45-04:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)


In article <rr72cv0t3sgu79jbjci0sg1kgiv81i443b@4ax.com>, Jyeshta <whatever@twixtntween.com> wrote: > On Tue, 13 May 2003 04:02:00 -0400, Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net> > wrote: > > >In article <b651cvoh2mcs6fr9f8q1li22tqam8uafq9@4ax.com>, Jyeshta > ><whatever@twixtntween.com> wrote: > > > >> On Tue, 13 May 2003 03:15:21 GMT, Jane Davitt <jdavitt01@rogers.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> >Space, lots of it. > >> >j > >> >k > >> >l > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >s > >> > > >> >f > >> > > >> >a > >> > > >> >a > >> > > >> >l > >> >h > >> >h > >> >h > >> > > >> >n > >> >n > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >Enough? > >> > > >> > > >> >I watched it alone on the computer as husband has whizzed away to the US > >> >and won't be back until late tomorrow. I was glad as it allowed me to > >> >Emote when Spike and Buffy had their moment (he would have been making > >> >scoffing noises and I would have had to silence him with a well aimed > >> >mouse to the head)and I also got to scream, "NO!!!!" when Angel came in > >> >and Saved The Day. > >> > >> That was such a total letdown after Buffy tells Spike their prior > >> night was the "same" for her (the most wonderful of her life). > > > >Maybe if Buffy had said something like that, you might have a case, but > >she never did. She said that it meant something to her, but she also > >says she doesn't know what it meant. She never said anyting about > >feeling the same way as Spike. > > I forget the exact dialog, but Spike tells Buffy it had been the most > wonderful night of his life. He tries to find out how she feels, and > she said, "the same, didn't I just say that?". I'm paraphrasing, but > that is how I understood that scene. Buffy: Do you see this? This may actually help me fight my war. This might be the key to everything. And the reason I'm holding it is because of you. Because of the strength that you gave me last night. I am tired of defensiveness and weird, mixed signals. You know, I have Faith for that. Let's just get to the truth here, okay? I don't know how you felt about last night, but I will not-- Spike: Terrified. Buffy: Of what? Spike: Last night was... God, I'm such a jerk. I can't do this. Buffy: Spike. Spike: It was the best night of my life. If you poke fun at me, you bloody well better use that, 'cause I couldn't bear it. It may not mean that much to <em>you</em>, but-- Buffy: I just told you it did. Spike: [Sighs] Yeah...I hear you say it, but...I've lived for soddin' ever, Buffy. I've done everything. Done things with you I can't spell, but...I've never...been close...to anyone. Least of all, you. Till last night. All I did was...hold you, watch you sleep. And it was the best night of my life. So, yeah... I'm...terrified. Buffy: You don't have to be. Spike: Were you there with me? Buffy: I was. Spike: What does that mean? Buffy: I don't know. Does it have to mean something? That night was important to her. It meant something, but she doesn't know what -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

2003-05-13 15:11:18-04:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)


In article <MPG.192acf855f15711698a1f2@netnews.attbi.com>, Growltiger <tyger@never.invalid> wrote: > Previously on alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer, jdavitt01@rogers.com wrote in > article <3EC0634D.1080706@rogers.com>... > > Space, lots of it. > > j > > k > > l > > > > > > > > s > > > > f > > > > a > > > > a > > > > l > > h > > h > > h > > > > n > > n > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Enough? > > > > > [elided] > > > > Who died? Some people died and they were all red shirts? Humph. In all > > fairness, Kennedy did good. She was brave and selfless. I still hate her > > but I won't write more nasty fics about her. But I'd gotten bored of > > that anyway, so not much sacrifice there. > > > [elided] > > Chao-Ahn, the potential Slayer from Guangdong perished in the bomb > blast, if I understood Faith's comment on the debacle. I suppose she > qualifies as a red shirt. No. Faith suggests that they make Chao-Ahn leader, since no one can understand what she says, she won't be able to lead them into any deathtraps. Very much a present tense implication that Chao-Ahn was alive and well. -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

2003-05-13 15:11:18-04:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)


In article <MPG.192acf855f15711698a1f2@netnews.attbi.com>, Growltiger <tyger@never.invalid> wrote: > Previously on alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer, jdavitt01@rogers.com wrote in > article <3EC0634D.1080706@rogers.com>... > > Space, lots of it. > > j > > k > > l > > > > > > > > s > > > > f > > > > a > > > > a > > > > l > > h > > h > > h > > > > n > > n > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Enough? > > > > > [elided] > > > > Who died? Some people died and they were all red shirts? Humph. In all > > fairness, Kennedy did good. She was brave and selfless. I still hate her > > but I won't write more nasty fics about her. But I'd gotten bored of > > that anyway, so not much sacrifice there. > > > [elided] > > Chao-Ahn, the potential Slayer from Guangdong perished in the bomb > blast, if I understood Faith's comment on the debacle. I suppose she > qualifies as a red shirt. No. Faith suggests that they make Chao-Ahn leader, since no one can understand what she says, she won't be able to lead them into any deathtraps. Very much a present tense implication that Chao-Ahn was alive and well. -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

2003-05-13 15:47:46+00:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (Jane Davitt <jdavitt01@rogers.com>)


Lady Dagon wrote: > Jane Davitt <jdavitt01@rogers.com> wrote in message news:<3EC0634D.1080706@rogers.com>... > >>Space, lots of it. >>j >>k >>l >> >> >>s >> >>f >> >>a >> >>a >> >>l >>h >>h >>h >> >>n >>n >> >> >>Was I the only one wanting Andrew and Anya to bonk like bunn, er, >>whatevers? He shouldn't die a virgin. No one should. > > > > Andrew is gay. Why would you think he would want to bonk Anya? If > you don't want him to die a virgin (and, by the way, how do you know > he is?), why didn't you suggest Xander and Andrew, or Andrew and Spike? > > Oh, but Xander and Spike are heterosexuals. They wouldn't be interested > in having sex with Andrew! Nor would Andrew, who is homosexual, would > want to have sex with Anya. > > Do you have a clue now? > > -The Lady Andrew is a virgin. I'm sorry, to me he just is. He was described that way and didn't refute it at the end of S6 and I don't think he's had any chance to change that. As for gay/not gay whatever, he gives off mixed signals. Yes, he had crushes on Warren and Spike but there was sparkage with Anya and Dawn earlier in the season. I could be wrong, you could be wrong; it's not clear. He's in a state of flux, I doubt he knows himself as this point. As for 'why not Spike and Xander, oh they're not gay', I've written and read enough slash fics featuring them to disagree with that...I think there's potential for them if you interpret canon imaginatively (it's a stretch but that's the fun of fanfic) but they weren't at the hospital and Anya was. And the attitude? Doesn't go with your hair, dear.I'd drop it, m'kay? Jane -- Read my Buffy the Vampire Slayer fiction at http://members.rogers.com/jdavitt01/index.html http://www.fanfiction.net/profile.php?userid=231516

2003-05-13 15:47:46+00:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (Jane Davitt <jdavitt01@rogers.com>)


Lady Dagon wrote: > Jane Davitt <jdavitt01@rogers.com> wrote in message news:<3EC0634D.1080706@rogers.com>... > >>Space, lots of it. >>j >>k >>l >> >> >>s >> >>f >> >>a >> >>a >> >>l >>h >>h >>h >> >>n >>n >> >> >>Was I the only one wanting Andrew and Anya to bonk like bunn, er, >>whatevers? He shouldn't die a virgin. No one should. > > > > Andrew is gay. Why would you think he would want to bonk Anya? If > you don't want him to die a virgin (and, by the way, how do you know > he is?), why didn't you suggest Xander and Andrew, or Andrew and Spike? > > Oh, but Xander and Spike are heterosexuals. They wouldn't be interested > in having sex with Andrew! Nor would Andrew, who is homosexual, would > want to have sex with Anya. > > Do you have a clue now? > > -The Lady Andrew is a virgin. I'm sorry, to me he just is. He was described that way and didn't refute it at the end of S6 and I don't think he's had any chance to change that. As for gay/not gay whatever, he gives off mixed signals. Yes, he had crushes on Warren and Spike but there was sparkage with Anya and Dawn earlier in the season. I could be wrong, you could be wrong; it's not clear. He's in a state of flux, I doubt he knows himself as this point. As for 'why not Spike and Xander, oh they're not gay', I've written and read enough slash fics featuring them to disagree with that...I think there's potential for them if you interpret canon imaginatively (it's a stretch but that's the fun of fanfic) but they weren't at the hospital and Anya was. And the attitude? Doesn't go with your hair, dear.I'd drop it, m'kay? Jane -- Read my Buffy the Vampire Slayer fiction at http://members.rogers.com/jdavitt01/index.html http://www.fanfiction.net/profile.php?userid=231516

2003-05-13 16:37:09+00:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (Jyeshta <whatever@twixtntween.com>)


On Tue, 13 May 2003 04:02:00 -0400, Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net> wrote: >In article <b651cvoh2mcs6fr9f8q1li22tqam8uafq9@4ax.com>, Jyeshta ><whatever@twixtntween.com> wrote: > >> On Tue, 13 May 2003 03:15:21 GMT, Jane Davitt <jdavitt01@rogers.com> >> wrote: >> >> >Space, lots of it. >> >j >> >k >> >l >> > >> > >> > >> >s >> > >> >f >> > >> >a >> > >> >a >> > >> >l >> >h >> >h >> >h >> > >> >n >> >n >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >Enough? >> > >> > >> >I watched it alone on the computer as husband has whizzed away to the US >> >and won't be back until late tomorrow. I was glad as it allowed me to >> >Emote when Spike and Buffy had their moment (he would have been making >> >scoffing noises and I would have had to silence him with a well aimed >> >mouse to the head)and I also got to scream, "NO!!!!" when Angel came in >> >and Saved The Day. >> >> That was such a total letdown after Buffy tells Spike their prior >> night was the "same" for her (the most wonderful of her life). > >Maybe if Buffy had said something like that, you might have a case, but >she never did. She said that it meant something to her, but she also >says she doesn't know what it meant. She never said anyting about >feeling the same way as Spike. I forget the exact dialog, but Spike tells Buffy it had been the most wonderful night of his life. He tries to find out how she feels, and she said, "the same, didn't I just say that?". I'm paraphrasing, but that is how I understood that scene.

2003-05-13 16:37:09+00:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (Jyeshta <whatever@twixtntween.com>)


On Tue, 13 May 2003 04:02:00 -0400, Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net> wrote: >In article <b651cvoh2mcs6fr9f8q1li22tqam8uafq9@4ax.com>, Jyeshta ><whatever@twixtntween.com> wrote: > >> On Tue, 13 May 2003 03:15:21 GMT, Jane Davitt <jdavitt01@rogers.com> >> wrote: >> >> >Space, lots of it. >> >j >> >k >> >l >> > >> > >> > >> >s >> > >> >f >> > >> >a >> > >> >a >> > >> >l >> >h >> >h >> >h >> > >> >n >> >n >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >Enough? >> > >> > >> >I watched it alone on the computer as husband has whizzed away to the US >> >and won't be back until late tomorrow. I was glad as it allowed me to >> >Emote when Spike and Buffy had their moment (he would have been making >> >scoffing noises and I would have had to silence him with a well aimed >> >mouse to the head)and I also got to scream, "NO!!!!" when Angel came in >> >and Saved The Day. >> >> That was such a total letdown after Buffy tells Spike their prior >> night was the "same" for her (the most wonderful of her life). > >Maybe if Buffy had said something like that, you might have a case, but >she never did. She said that it meant something to her, but she also >says she doesn't know what it meant. She never said anyting about >feeling the same way as Spike. I forget the exact dialog, but Spike tells Buffy it had been the most wonderful night of his life. He tries to find out how she feels, and she said, "the same, didn't I just say that?". I'm paraphrasing, but that is how I understood that scene.

2003-05-13 17:01:00+00:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (Jane Davitt <jdavitt01@rogers.com>)


Joe Curwen wrote: > > Here it is: > > S > > Had to go. > > -Don't forget to make the bed. > > -If you go to the store, I need: > > Tab > Tampons > Soap Opera Digest > > Later, > > B > > > Joe > > I like the one my friend mahaliem came up with; " Spike - Gone out. Be naked when I get back. Buffy " Right to the point ;-) Jane -- Read my Buffy the Vampire Slayer fiction at http://members.rogers.com/jdavitt01/index.html http://www.fanfiction.net/profile.php?userid=231516

2003-05-13 17:01:00+00:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (Jane Davitt <jdavitt01@rogers.com>)


Joe Curwen wrote: > > Here it is: > > S > > Had to go. > > -Don't forget to make the bed. > > -If you go to the store, I need: > > Tab > Tampons > Soap Opera Digest > > Later, > > B > > > Joe > > I like the one my friend mahaliem came up with; " Spike - Gone out. Be naked when I get back. Buffy " Right to the point ;-) Jane -- Read my Buffy the Vampire Slayer fiction at http://members.rogers.com/jdavitt01/index.html http://www.fanfiction.net/profile.php?userid=231516

2003-05-13 17:02:51+00:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (Jane Davitt <jdavitt01@rogers.com>)


Don Sample wrote: > In article <3EC0634D.1080706@rogers.com>, Jane Davitt > <jdavitt01@rogers.com> wrote: > > >>Space, lots of it. >>j >>k >>l >> >> >> >>s >> >>f >> >>a >> >>a >> >>l >>h >>h >>h >> >>n >>n >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Enough? >> >> >>Did anyone else get the same feeling about Ye Ancient Tombe as we did >>when Drac's castle appeared in Sunnydale? Buffy never noticed it before? >>And I'm not 100% sure how she knew to go to it and how Angel found her >>in the Nick of Time. More snuffling? > > > It's just another weird looking tomb in Sunnydale. Heck, it ain't even > the only pyramid in Sunnydale's grave yards. > > > >>I liked this episode. And Caleb's downfall was satisfying. How did he >>get behind the woman though? Through a mystic back door? > > > Same way Spike got in. > She's spent 7 years walking around them; she should know them all. And does that woman pop out for food, or more torches to light up the room? That was all a bit too much. Caleb appeared behind her; Spike followed Buffy through the front door as far as I could tell. Jane -- Read my Buffy the Vampire Slayer fiction at http://members.rogers.com/jdavitt01/index.html http://www.fanfiction.net/profile.php?userid=231516

2003-05-13 17:02:51+00:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (Jane Davitt <jdavitt01@rogers.com>)


Don Sample wrote: > In article <3EC0634D.1080706@rogers.com>, Jane Davitt > <jdavitt01@rogers.com> wrote: > > >>Space, lots of it. >>j >>k >>l >> >> >> >>s >> >>f >> >>a >> >>a >> >>l >>h >>h >>h >> >>n >>n >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Enough? >> >> >>Did anyone else get the same feeling about Ye Ancient Tombe as we did >>when Drac's castle appeared in Sunnydale? Buffy never noticed it before? >>And I'm not 100% sure how she knew to go to it and how Angel found her >>in the Nick of Time. More snuffling? > > > It's just another weird looking tomb in Sunnydale. Heck, it ain't even > the only pyramid in Sunnydale's grave yards. > > > >>I liked this episode. And Caleb's downfall was satisfying. How did he >>get behind the woman though? Through a mystic back door? > > > Same way Spike got in. > She's spent 7 years walking around them; she should know them all. And does that woman pop out for food, or more torches to light up the room? That was all a bit too much. Caleb appeared behind her; Spike followed Buffy through the front door as far as I could tell. Jane -- Read my Buffy the Vampire Slayer fiction at http://members.rogers.com/jdavitt01/index.html http://www.fanfiction.net/profile.php?userid=231516

2003-05-13 17:05:09+00:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (Jane Davitt <jdavitt01@rogers.com>)


Don Sample wrote: > Maybe if Buffy had said something like that, you might have a case, but > she never did. She said that it meant something to her, but she also > says she doesn't know what it meant. She never said anyting about > feeling the same way as Spike. > He said, 'You were there too?' - in the same place he was, emotionally speaking. She said she was. I think there was no doubt that they'd both shared something profound on a different scale to anything they'd had before. Which made the Angel moment so hard to watch for Spike. Jane -- Read my Buffy the Vampire Slayer fiction at http://members.rogers.com/jdavitt01/index.html http://www.fanfiction.net/profile.php?userid=231516

2003-05-13 17:05:09+00:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (Jane Davitt <jdavitt01@rogers.com>)


Don Sample wrote: > Maybe if Buffy had said something like that, you might have a case, but > she never did. She said that it meant something to her, but she also > says she doesn't know what it meant. She never said anyting about > feeling the same way as Spike. > He said, 'You were there too?' - in the same place he was, emotionally speaking. She said she was. I think there was no doubt that they'd both shared something profound on a different scale to anything they'd had before. Which made the Angel moment so hard to watch for Spike. Jane -- Read my Buffy the Vampire Slayer fiction at http://members.rogers.com/jdavitt01/index.html http://www.fanfiction.net/profile.php?userid=231516

2003-05-13 17:16:28+00:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (Jane Davitt <jdavitt01@rogers.com>)


portia wrote: > In article <3EC0634D.1080706@rogers.com>, Jane Davitt > <jdavitt01@rogers.com> wrote: > > >>Space, lots of it. >>j >>k >>l >> >> >> >>s >> >>f >> >>a >> >>a >> >>l >>h >>h > > > Hi, Jane. :-). Nah, I didn't scream, I went with the huge grin. And it > got huger when, having delivered one blow, he moved to the side to > watch. Very careful to _not_ be the Saver of the Day. I agree with others that it was a Firefly shoutout. One good thing about Angel and Spike is that they're perfectly happy to let Buffy fight with no 'protect the girl' hang ups. > > >>As for the final scene :whimper: She's not worthy, Spike. Or the Slaying >>made her horny. Wave a low fat raspberry yoghurt and watch her fling >>Angel aside. > > > Oh, pishaw! ;-)) Still??? With all respect (and you know I respect you, > Jane) is it really worth dissing Buffy on her way out the door, just to > shore up the mythos of a ship that isn't seaworthy? Spike said he > doesn't want anything from her, and I believe him (I believe that this > is the form of love--unconditional--that ensouled Spike feels). She has > told him that she cares for him, that he is important to her; she has > accepted his love for her. She has honestly told him that she doesn't > know what it all means. She is on record as saying that she loved Angel > more than anyone in the world. In her current "in touch" with herself > state of mind, she damned well better greet him with a good, clinchy > kiss! Love in a many splendored thing, I've heard, and she hasn't done > anything wrong, or out of character. She is so worthy it's scary. It's > enough for me. > > BTW, my bet is that Spike will fully understand. I believe in him, you > know (see above re unconditional)! Can't wait to find out if I'm right! > > Thanks, Jane, as always > > p0rtia > > >>Jane > I'm sure he'll understand. I really don't see the last ever episode showing Spike going all revengey. Maybe we'll have a noble renunciation and a handshake...but face it, Angel's just been in love with Cordy for the past year. That kiss was for old times sake. Spike might not know about Cordy but he knows who's been around and who hasn't. I think we're seeing a Buffy who's taken Holden's advice; she's young, she doesn't have to decide right now. She doesn't even have to be in love or dating. No pressure. I can go with that as we've now had 21 episodes without Spike getting so much as a kiss so it's not looking good for him ever getting to be introduced as 'Buffy's boyfriend'. As for Angel, I think he would drive her mad if they were together for long (especially as there's still no way they can make love without consequences...though I've never been happy about that interpretation of 'perfect happiness'.)They're too alike. Buffy should just go it alone for a bit. And then go after Spike. Who's moved on. <g> Jane -- Read my Buffy the Vampire Slayer fiction at http://members.rogers.com/jdavitt01/index.html http://www.fanfiction.net/profile.php?userid=231516

2003-05-13 17:16:28+00:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (Jane Davitt <jdavitt01@rogers.com>)


portia wrote: > In article <3EC0634D.1080706@rogers.com>, Jane Davitt > <jdavitt01@rogers.com> wrote: > > >>Space, lots of it. >>j >>k >>l >> >> >> >>s >> >>f >> >>a >> >>a >> >>l >>h >>h > > > Hi, Jane. :-). Nah, I didn't scream, I went with the huge grin. And it > got huger when, having delivered one blow, he moved to the side to > watch. Very careful to _not_ be the Saver of the Day. I agree with others that it was a Firefly shoutout. One good thing about Angel and Spike is that they're perfectly happy to let Buffy fight with no 'protect the girl' hang ups. > > >>As for the final scene :whimper: She's not worthy, Spike. Or the Slaying >>made her horny. Wave a low fat raspberry yoghurt and watch her fling >>Angel aside. > > > Oh, pishaw! ;-)) Still??? With all respect (and you know I respect you, > Jane) is it really worth dissing Buffy on her way out the door, just to > shore up the mythos of a ship that isn't seaworthy? Spike said he > doesn't want anything from her, and I believe him (I believe that this > is the form of love--unconditional--that ensouled Spike feels). She has > told him that she cares for him, that he is important to her; she has > accepted his love for her. She has honestly told him that she doesn't > know what it all means. She is on record as saying that she loved Angel > more than anyone in the world. In her current "in touch" with herself > state of mind, she damned well better greet him with a good, clinchy > kiss! Love in a many splendored thing, I've heard, and she hasn't done > anything wrong, or out of character. She is so worthy it's scary. It's > enough for me. > > BTW, my bet is that Spike will fully understand. I believe in him, you > know (see above re unconditional)! Can't wait to find out if I'm right! > > Thanks, Jane, as always > > p0rtia > > >>Jane > I'm sure he'll understand. I really don't see the last ever episode showing Spike going all revengey. Maybe we'll have a noble renunciation and a handshake...but face it, Angel's just been in love with Cordy for the past year. That kiss was for old times sake. Spike might not know about Cordy but he knows who's been around and who hasn't. I think we're seeing a Buffy who's taken Holden's advice; she's young, she doesn't have to decide right now. She doesn't even have to be in love or dating. No pressure. I can go with that as we've now had 21 episodes without Spike getting so much as a kiss so it's not looking good for him ever getting to be introduced as 'Buffy's boyfriend'. As for Angel, I think he would drive her mad if they were together for long (especially as there's still no way they can make love without consequences...though I've never been happy about that interpretation of 'perfect happiness'.)They're too alike. Buffy should just go it alone for a bit. And then go after Spike. Who's moved on. <g> Jane -- Read my Buffy the Vampire Slayer fiction at http://members.rogers.com/jdavitt01/index.html http://www.fanfiction.net/profile.php?userid=231516

2003-05-13 17:32:24+00:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (Growltiger <tyger@never.invalid>)


Previously on alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer, jdavitt01@rogers.com wrote in article <3EC0634D.1080706@rogers.com>... > Space, lots of it. > j > k > l > > > > s > > f > > a > > a > > l > h > h > h > > n > n > > > > > > > > Enough? > > > I watched it alone on the computer as husband has whizzed away to the US > and won't be back until late tomorrow. I was glad as it allowed me to > Emote when Spike and Buffy had their moment (he would have been making > scoffing noises and I would have had to silence him with a well aimed > mouse to the head)and I also got to scream, "NO!!!!" when Angel came in > and Saved The Day. > > Was I the only one wanting Andrew and Anya to bonk like bunn, er, > whatevers? He shouldn't die a virgin. No one should. > > Who died? Some people died and they were all red shirts? Humph. In all > fairness, Kennedy did good. She was brave and selfless. I still hate her > but I won't write more nasty fics about her. But I'd gotten bored of > that anyway, so not much sacrifice there. > > Giles was more like himself. I liked the subtle needling of Willow and > ::heart:: him for ever as he loves Jaffa cakes too. I adore them. > Especially when you eat off the sponge, lick off the dark chocolate and > get to the smashing orangey bit in the middle (TM). > > Willow; it's a bloody apocalypse, woman. Stop whining about your hair. > > My God, was Buffy chipper and chirpy or what? And what's with all the > leaping off beds people have bonked on? Fastidious much? I'm sure they > mopped up afterwards and if Faith left her bra on, I bet Robin was still > in his undies. > > Loved that we didn't get to hear all of Buffy's letter to Dawn but it > would have been nice to have found out what was in Buffy's to Spike and > if that isn't tucked inside his jacket I'll be muchly surprised. > > Did anyone else get the same feeling about Ye Ancient Tombe as we did > when Drac's castle appeared in Sunnydale? Buffy never noticed it before? > And I'm not 100% sure how she knew to go to it and how Angel found her > in the Nick of Time. More snuffling? > > > I liked this episode. And Caleb's downfall was satisfying. How did he > get behind the woman though? Through a mystic back door? > > As for the final scene :whimper: She's not worthy, Spike. Or the Slaying > made her horny. Wave a low fat raspberry yoghurt and watch her fling > Angel aside. > > Jane > Some... spoilers... from... "Home"... that... have... not... been... revealed... yet... in... Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Angel's return is puzzling. There is something off-kilter about it. His attitude and smirk as he cheers Buffy on reminded me of Angelus. I missed hearing the Buffy-Angel leit motif. Maybe it is because the timing of his arrival is designed to infuriate Spike and not much else. I figure that Wolfram & Hart gave Angel the information he needed to find Buffy in that dossier Lilah handed him when he left his office. There is also that amulet or whatever that thing is that will have some bearing on what I suppose will be the series finale. -- Be seeing you, Growltiger

2003-05-13 17:32:24+00:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (Growltiger <tyger@never.invalid>)


Previously on alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer, jdavitt01@rogers.com wrote in article <3EC0634D.1080706@rogers.com>... > Space, lots of it. > j > k > l > > > > s > > f > > a > > a > > l > h > h > h > > n > n > > > > > > > > Enough? > > > I watched it alone on the computer as husband has whizzed away to the US > and won't be back until late tomorrow. I was glad as it allowed me to > Emote when Spike and Buffy had their moment (he would have been making > scoffing noises and I would have had to silence him with a well aimed > mouse to the head)and I also got to scream, "NO!!!!" when Angel came in > and Saved The Day. > > Was I the only one wanting Andrew and Anya to bonk like bunn, er, > whatevers? He shouldn't die a virgin. No one should. > > Who died? Some people died and they were all red shirts? Humph. In all > fairness, Kennedy did good. She was brave and selfless. I still hate her > but I won't write more nasty fics about her. But I'd gotten bored of > that anyway, so not much sacrifice there. > > Giles was more like himself. I liked the subtle needling of Willow and > ::heart:: him for ever as he loves Jaffa cakes too. I adore them. > Especially when you eat off the sponge, lick off the dark chocolate and > get to the smashing orangey bit in the middle (TM). > > Willow; it's a bloody apocalypse, woman. Stop whining about your hair. > > My God, was Buffy chipper and chirpy or what? And what's with all the > leaping off beds people have bonked on? Fastidious much? I'm sure they > mopped up afterwards and if Faith left her bra on, I bet Robin was still > in his undies. > > Loved that we didn't get to hear all of Buffy's letter to Dawn but it > would have been nice to have found out what was in Buffy's to Spike and > if that isn't tucked inside his jacket I'll be muchly surprised. > > Did anyone else get the same feeling about Ye Ancient Tombe as we did > when Drac's castle appeared in Sunnydale? Buffy never noticed it before? > And I'm not 100% sure how she knew to go to it and how Angel found her > in the Nick of Time. More snuffling? > > > I liked this episode. And Caleb's downfall was satisfying. How did he > get behind the woman though? Through a mystic back door? > > As for the final scene :whimper: She's not worthy, Spike. Or the Slaying > made her horny. Wave a low fat raspberry yoghurt and watch her fling > Angel aside. > > Jane > Some... spoilers... from... "Home"... that... have... not... been... revealed... yet... in... Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Angel's return is puzzling. There is something off-kilter about it. His attitude and smirk as he cheers Buffy on reminded me of Angelus. I missed hearing the Buffy-Angel leit motif. Maybe it is because the timing of his arrival is designed to infuriate Spike and not much else. I figure that Wolfram & Hart gave Angel the information he needed to find Buffy in that dossier Lilah handed him when he left his office. There is also that amulet or whatever that thing is that will have some bearing on what I suppose will be the series finale. -- Be seeing you, Growltiger

2003-05-13 17:34:43+00:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (Jyeshta <whatever@twixtntween.com>)


On Tue, 13 May 2003 17:05:09 GMT, Jane Davitt <jdavitt01@rogers.com> wrote: >Don Sample wrote: > > > > > > > > >> Maybe if Buffy had said something like that, you might have a case, but >> she never did. She said that it meant something to her, but she also >> says she doesn't know what it meant. She never said anyting about >> feeling the same way as Spike. >> > >He said, 'You were there too?' - in the same place he was, emotionally >speaking. She said she was. Yes, and after he'd said it had been the most wonderful night of his life. > I think there was no doubt that they'd both >shared something profound on a different scale to anything they'd had >before. Exactly. And then, 'oh, it's Aaaaaannngellllll' <swoon, sigh, smooch> >Which made the Angel moment so hard to watch for Spike. And for me. >Jane

2003-05-13 17:34:43+00:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (Jyeshta <whatever@twixtntween.com>)


On Tue, 13 May 2003 17:05:09 GMT, Jane Davitt <jdavitt01@rogers.com> wrote: >Don Sample wrote: > > > > > > > > >> Maybe if Buffy had said something like that, you might have a case, but >> she never did. She said that it meant something to her, but she also >> says she doesn't know what it meant. She never said anyting about >> feeling the same way as Spike. >> > >He said, 'You were there too?' - in the same place he was, emotionally >speaking. She said she was. Yes, and after he'd said it had been the most wonderful night of his life. > I think there was no doubt that they'd both >shared something profound on a different scale to anything they'd had >before. Exactly. And then, 'oh, it's Aaaaaannngellllll' <swoon, sigh, smooch> >Which made the Angel moment so hard to watch for Spike. And for me. >Jane

2003-05-13 17:47:29+00:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (Growltiger <tyger@never.invalid>)


Previously on alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer, jdavitt01@rogers.com wrote in article <3EC0634D.1080706@rogers.com>... > Space, lots of it. > j > k > l > > > > s > > f > > a > > a > > l > h > h > h > > n > n > > > > > > > > Enough? > > [elided] > > Who died? Some people died and they were all red shirts? Humph. In all > fairness, Kennedy did good. She was brave and selfless. I still hate her > but I won't write more nasty fics about her. But I'd gotten bored of > that anyway, so not much sacrifice there. > [elided] Chao-Ahn, the potential Slayer from Guangdong perished in the bomb blast, if I understood Faith's comment on the debacle. I suppose she qualifies as a red shirt. -- Be seeing you, Growltiger

2003-05-13 17:47:29+00:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (Growltiger <tyger@never.invalid>)


Previously on alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer, jdavitt01@rogers.com wrote in article <3EC0634D.1080706@rogers.com>... > Space, lots of it. > j > k > l > > > > s > > f > > a > > a > > l > h > h > h > > n > n > > > > > > > > Enough? > > [elided] > > Who died? Some people died and they were all red shirts? Humph. In all > fairness, Kennedy did good. She was brave and selfless. I still hate her > but I won't write more nasty fics about her. But I'd gotten bored of > that anyway, so not much sacrifice there. > [elided] Chao-Ahn, the potential Slayer from Guangdong perished in the bomb blast, if I understood Faith's comment on the debacle. I suppose she qualifies as a red shirt. -- Be seeing you, Growltiger

2003-05-13 19:36:00-07:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (salmoneous@aol.com)


Jane Davitt < > Willow; it's a bloody apocalypse, woman. Stop whining about your hair. I predict this will be the best on on ATBvS this week. > Did anyone else get the same feeling about Ye Ancient Tombe as we did > when Drac's castle appeared in Sunnydale? Very much a Drac moment. I wonder if they didn't borrow the music or something since that is exactly what it felt like even before I saw YAT.

2003-05-13 19:36:00-07:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (salmoneous@aol.com)


Jane Davitt < > Willow; it's a bloody apocalypse, woman. Stop whining about your hair. I predict this will be the best on on ATBvS this week. > Did anyone else get the same feeling about Ye Ancient Tombe as we did > when Drac's castle appeared in Sunnydale? Very much a Drac moment. I wonder if they didn't borrow the music or something since that is exactly what it felt like even before I saw YAT.

2003-05-13 22:01:48+00:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (Jyeshta <whatever@twixtntween.com>)


On Tue, 13 May 2003 15:01:45 -0400, Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net> wrote: >In article <rr72cv0t3sgu79jbjci0sg1kgiv81i443b@4ax.com>, Jyeshta ><whatever@twixtntween.com> wrote: > >> On Tue, 13 May 2003 04:02:00 -0400, Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net> >> wrote: >> >> >In article <b651cvoh2mcs6fr9f8q1li22tqam8uafq9@4ax.com>, Jyeshta >> ><whatever@twixtntween.com> wrote: >> > >> >> On Tue, 13 May 2003 03:15:21 GMT, Jane Davitt <jdavitt01@rogers.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >Space, lots of it. >> >> >j >> >> >k >> >> >l >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >s >> >> > >> >> >f >> >> > >> >> >a >> >> > >> >> >a >> >> > >> >> >l >> >> >h >> >> >h >> >> >h >> >> > >> >> >n >> >> >n >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >Enough? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >I watched it alone on the computer as husband has whizzed away to the US >> >> >and won't be back until late tomorrow. I was glad as it allowed me to >> >> >Emote when Spike and Buffy had their moment (he would have been making >> >> >scoffing noises and I would have had to silence him with a well aimed >> >> >mouse to the head)and I also got to scream, "NO!!!!" when Angel came in >> >> >and Saved The Day. >> >> >> >> That was such a total letdown after Buffy tells Spike their prior >> >> night was the "same" for her (the most wonderful of her life). >> > >> >Maybe if Buffy had said something like that, you might have a case, but >> >she never did. She said that it meant something to her, but she also >> >says she doesn't know what it meant. She never said anyting about >> >feeling the same way as Spike. >> >> I forget the exact dialog, but Spike tells Buffy it had been the most >> wonderful night of his life. He tries to find out how she feels, and >> she said, "the same, didn't I just say that?". I'm paraphrasing, but >> that is how I understood that scene. > >Buffy: Do you see this? This may actually help me fight my war. This >might be the key to everything. And the reason I'm holding it is >because of you. Because of the strength that you gave me last night. I >am tired of defensiveness and weird, mixed signals. You know, I have >Faith for that. Let's just get to the truth here, okay? I don't know >how you felt about last night, but I will not-- > >Spike: Terrified. > >Buffy: Of what? > >Spike: Last night was... God, I'm such a jerk. I can't do this. > >Buffy: Spike. > >Spike: It was the best night of my life. If you poke fun at me, you >bloody well better use that, 'cause I couldn't bear it. It may not mean >that much to <em>you</em>, but-- > >Buffy: I just told you it did. > >Spike: [Sighs] Yeah...I hear you say it, but...I've lived for soddin' >ever, Buffy. I've done everything. Done things with you I can't spell, >but...I've never...been close...to anyone. Least of all, you. Till last >night. All I did was...hold you, watch you sleep. And it was the best >night of my life. So, yeah... I'm...terrified. > >Buffy: You don't have to be. > >Spike: Were you there with me? > >Buffy: I was. > >Spike: What does that mean? > >Buffy: I don't know. Does it have to mean something? > > >That night was important to her. It meant something, but she doesn't >know what I believe that the writers meant the ambiguity as a cop out, to try to please the Spuffers and the Baffers at the same time. But unfortunately, it leaves both camps unsatisfied. I envy those of you who couldn't care less about the relationships and just watch for the stakings and quips. If I did, I'd enjoy the show as it is now a whole lot more.

2003-05-13 22:01:48+00:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (Jyeshta <whatever@twixtntween.com>)


On Tue, 13 May 2003 15:01:45 -0400, Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net> wrote: >In article <rr72cv0t3sgu79jbjci0sg1kgiv81i443b@4ax.com>, Jyeshta ><whatever@twixtntween.com> wrote: > >> On Tue, 13 May 2003 04:02:00 -0400, Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net> >> wrote: >> >> >In article <b651cvoh2mcs6fr9f8q1li22tqam8uafq9@4ax.com>, Jyeshta >> ><whatever@twixtntween.com> wrote: >> > >> >> On Tue, 13 May 2003 03:15:21 GMT, Jane Davitt <jdavitt01@rogers.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >Space, lots of it. >> >> >j >> >> >k >> >> >l >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >s >> >> > >> >> >f >> >> > >> >> >a >> >> > >> >> >a >> >> > >> >> >l >> >> >h >> >> >h >> >> >h >> >> > >> >> >n >> >> >n >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >Enough? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >I watched it alone on the computer as husband has whizzed away to the US >> >> >and won't be back until late tomorrow. I was glad as it allowed me to >> >> >Emote when Spike and Buffy had their moment (he would have been making >> >> >scoffing noises and I would have had to silence him with a well aimed >> >> >mouse to the head)and I also got to scream, "NO!!!!" when Angel came in >> >> >and Saved The Day. >> >> >> >> That was such a total letdown after Buffy tells Spike their prior >> >> night was the "same" for her (the most wonderful of her life). >> > >> >Maybe if Buffy had said something like that, you might have a case, but >> >she never did. She said that it meant something to her, but she also >> >says she doesn't know what it meant. She never said anyting about >> >feeling the same way as Spike. >> >> I forget the exact dialog, but Spike tells Buffy it had been the most >> wonderful night of his life. He tries to find out how she feels, and >> she said, "the same, didn't I just say that?". I'm paraphrasing, but >> that is how I understood that scene. > >Buffy: Do you see this? This may actually help me fight my war. This >might be the key to everything. And the reason I'm holding it is >because of you. Because of the strength that you gave me last night. I >am tired of defensiveness and weird, mixed signals. You know, I have >Faith for that. Let's just get to the truth here, okay? I don't know >how you felt about last night, but I will not-- > >Spike: Terrified. > >Buffy: Of what? > >Spike: Last night was... God, I'm such a jerk. I can't do this. > >Buffy: Spike. > >Spike: It was the best night of my life. If you poke fun at me, you >bloody well better use that, 'cause I couldn't bear it. It may not mean >that much to <em>you</em>, but-- > >Buffy: I just told you it did. > >Spike: [Sighs] Yeah...I hear you say it, but...I've lived for soddin' >ever, Buffy. I've done everything. Done things with you I can't spell, >but...I've never...been close...to anyone. Least of all, you. Till last >night. All I did was...hold you, watch you sleep. And it was the best >night of my life. So, yeah... I'm...terrified. > >Buffy: You don't have to be. > >Spike: Were you there with me? > >Buffy: I was. > >Spike: What does that mean? > >Buffy: I don't know. Does it have to mean something? > > >That night was important to her. It meant something, but she doesn't >know what I believe that the writers meant the ambiguity as a cop out, to try to please the Spuffers and the Baffers at the same time. But unfortunately, it leaves both camps unsatisfied. I envy those of you who couldn't care less about the relationships and just watch for the stakings and quips. If I did, I'd enjoy the show as it is now a whole lot more.

2003-05-14 03:44:28-05:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (Zombie Elvis <DELETE-ME-2-REPLY-robertocastillo@ameritech.net>)


It was a time of great turmoil. The strong preyed on the weak, dogs and cats lived together. One voice cried out in the wilderness: Growltiger <tyger@never.invalid> wrote in <MPG.192acc05241a311598a1f1@netnews.attbi.com>: > > Space, lots of it. > > j > > k > > l > > > > > > > > s > > > > f > > > > a > > > > a > > > > l > > h > > h > > h > > > > n > > n > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Angel's return is puzzling. There is something off-kilter about it. > His attitude and smirk as he cheers Buffy on reminded me of Angelus. I > missed hearing the Buffy-Angel leit motif. Maybe it is because the > timing of his arrival is designed to infuriate Spike and not much else. I think it was just misdirection on the part of ME. When he said "You are so gonna lose," for a moment I couldn't tell if he was talking to Caleb or Buffy. > > I figure that Wolfram & Hart gave Angel the information he needed to > find Buffy in that dossier Lilah handed him when he left his office. > There is also that amulet or whatever that thing is that will have some > bearing on what I suppose will be the series finale. He might be distracted by thoughts of what he might be setting himself up for by agreeing to join Wolfram & Hart. This could explain his odd attitude. -- "Now, wait a minute. You think I'm evil if I bring a group of girls on a camping trip and *don't* touch them?" -- Rupert Giles Roberto Castillo robertocastillo@ameritech.net http://www.enteract.com/~castillo

2003-05-14 03:44:28-05:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (Zombie Elvis <DELETE-ME-2-REPLY-robertocastillo@ameritech.net>)


It was a time of great turmoil. The strong preyed on the weak, dogs and cats lived together. One voice cried out in the wilderness: Growltiger <tyger@never.invalid> wrote in <MPG.192acc05241a311598a1f1@netnews.attbi.com>: > > Space, lots of it. > > j > > k > > l > > > > > > > > s > > > > f > > > > a > > > > a > > > > l > > h > > h > > h > > > > n > > n > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Angel's return is puzzling. There is something off-kilter about it. > His attitude and smirk as he cheers Buffy on reminded me of Angelus. I > missed hearing the Buffy-Angel leit motif. Maybe it is because the > timing of his arrival is designed to infuriate Spike and not much else. I think it was just misdirection on the part of ME. When he said "You are so gonna lose," for a moment I couldn't tell if he was talking to Caleb or Buffy. > > I figure that Wolfram & Hart gave Angel the information he needed to > find Buffy in that dossier Lilah handed him when he left his office. > There is also that amulet or whatever that thing is that will have some > bearing on what I suppose will be the series finale. He might be distracted by thoughts of what he might be setting himself up for by agreeing to join Wolfram & Hart. This could explain his odd attitude. -- "Now, wait a minute. You think I'm evil if I bring a group of girls on a camping trip and *don't* touch them?" -- Rupert Giles Roberto Castillo robertocastillo@ameritech.net http://www.enteract.com/~castillo

2003-05-14 03:46:55-05:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (Zombie Elvis <DELETE-ME-2-REPLY-robertocastillo@ameritech.net>)


It was a time of great turmoil. The strong preyed on the weak, dogs and cats lived together. One voice cried out in the wilderness: Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net> wrote in <130520031511185984%dsample@synapse.net>: > In article <MPG.192acf855f15711698a1f2@netnews.attbi.com>, Growltiger > <tyger@never.invalid> wrote: > > > Previously on alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer, jdavitt01@rogers.com wrote in > > article <3EC0634D.1080706@rogers.com>... > > > Space, lots of it. > > > j > > > k > > > l > > > > > > > > > > > > s > > > > > > f > > > > > > a > > > > > > a > > > > > > l > > > h > > > h > > > h > > > > > > n > > > n > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Enough? > > > > > > > > [elided] > > > > > > Who died? Some people died and they were all red shirts? Humph. In all > > > fairness, Kennedy did good. She was brave and selfless. I still hate her > > > but I won't write more nasty fics about her. But I'd gotten bored of > > > that anyway, so not much sacrifice there. > > > > > [elided] > > > > Chao-Ahn, the potential Slayer from Guangdong perished in the bomb > > blast, if I understood Faith's comment on the debacle. I suppose she > > qualifies as a red shirt. > > No. Faith suggests that they make Chao-Ahn leader, since no one can > understand what she says, she won't be able to lead them into any > deathtraps. Very much a present tense implication that Chao-Ahn was > alive and well. And we saw Chao-Ahn shouting "what" repeatedly while Anya was chatting with Andrew while tending to her wounds. It reminded me of the stories my mother tells of being ignored by nurses when she's in the hospital (her English isn't very good either). -- I think the fans will always find ways to torture themselves with or without our help. -- David Fury Roberto Castillo robertocastillo@ameritech.net http://www.enteract.com/~castillo

2003-05-14 03:46:55-05:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (Zombie Elvis <DELETE-ME-2-REPLY-robertocastillo@ameritech.net>)


It was a time of great turmoil. The strong preyed on the weak, dogs and cats lived together. One voice cried out in the wilderness: Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net> wrote in <130520031511185984%dsample@synapse.net>: > In article <MPG.192acf855f15711698a1f2@netnews.attbi.com>, Growltiger > <tyger@never.invalid> wrote: > > > Previously on alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer, jdavitt01@rogers.com wrote in > > article <3EC0634D.1080706@rogers.com>... > > > Space, lots of it. > > > j > > > k > > > l > > > > > > > > > > > > s > > > > > > f > > > > > > a > > > > > > a > > > > > > l > > > h > > > h > > > h > > > > > > n > > > n > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Enough? > > > > > > > > [elided] > > > > > > Who died? Some people died and they were all red shirts? Humph. In all > > > fairness, Kennedy did good. She was brave and selfless. I still hate her > > > but I won't write more nasty fics about her. But I'd gotten bored of > > > that anyway, so not much sacrifice there. > > > > > [elided] > > > > Chao-Ahn, the potential Slayer from Guangdong perished in the bomb > > blast, if I understood Faith's comment on the debacle. I suppose she > > qualifies as a red shirt. > > No. Faith suggests that they make Chao-Ahn leader, since no one can > understand what she says, she won't be able to lead them into any > deathtraps. Very much a present tense implication that Chao-Ahn was > alive and well. And we saw Chao-Ahn shouting "what" repeatedly while Anya was chatting with Andrew while tending to her wounds. It reminded me of the stories my mother tells of being ignored by nurses when she's in the hospital (her English isn't very good either). -- I think the fans will always find ways to torture themselves with or without our help. -- David Fury Roberto Castillo robertocastillo@ameritech.net http://www.enteract.com/~castillo

2003-05-14 05:16:19-04:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (David Samuel Barr <dsbarr@mindspring.com>)


Zombie Elvis wrote: > > It was a time of great turmoil. The strong preyed on the weak, dogs > and cats lived together. One voice cried out in the wilderness: > Growltiger <tyger@never.invalid> wrote in > <MPG.192acc05241a311598a1f1@netnews.attbi.com>: > > > > Space, lots of it. > > > j > > > k > > > l > > > > > > > > > > > > s > > > > > > f > > > > > > a > > > > > > a > > > > > > l > > > h > > > h > > > h > > > > > > n > > > n > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Angel's return is puzzling. There is something off-kilter about it. > > His attitude and smirk as he cheers Buffy on reminded me of Angelus. > > I missed hearing the Buffy-Angel leit motif. Maybe it is because > > the timing of his arrival is designed to infuriate Spike and not > > much else. > > I think it was just misdirection on the part of ME. When he said "You > are so gonna lose," for a moment I couldn't tell if he was talking to > Caleb or Buffy. Obviously he was talking to Caleb. And when he did, did everyone else here flash back to the first episode of "Angel" and Cordelia's line "You don't know who he is, do you? Oh boy, you're about to get your ass kicked!"?

2003-05-14 05:16:19-04:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (David Samuel Barr <dsbarr@mindspring.com>)


Zombie Elvis wrote: > > It was a time of great turmoil. The strong preyed on the weak, dogs > and cats lived together. One voice cried out in the wilderness: > Growltiger <tyger@never.invalid> wrote in > <MPG.192acc05241a311598a1f1@netnews.attbi.com>: > > > > Space, lots of it. > > > j > > > k > > > l > > > > > > > > > > > > s > > > > > > f > > > > > > a > > > > > > a > > > > > > l > > > h > > > h > > > h > > > > > > n > > > n > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Angel's return is puzzling. There is something off-kilter about it. > > His attitude and smirk as he cheers Buffy on reminded me of Angelus. > > I missed hearing the Buffy-Angel leit motif. Maybe it is because > > the timing of his arrival is designed to infuriate Spike and not > > much else. > > I think it was just misdirection on the part of ME. When he said "You > are so gonna lose," for a moment I couldn't tell if he was talking to > Caleb or Buffy. Obviously he was talking to Caleb. And when he did, did everyone else here flash back to the first episode of "Angel" and Cordelia's line "You don't know who he is, do you? Oh boy, you're about to get your ass kicked!"?

2003-05-14 07:47:06-07:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (nardo218@yahoo.com)


Jyeshta <whatever@twixtntween.com> wrote in message news:<b651cvoh2mcs6fr9f8q1li22tqam8uafq9@4ax.com>... > >Space, lots of it. > >j > >k > >l > > > > > > > >s > > > >f > > > >a > > > >a > > > >l > >h > >h > >h > > > That was such a total letdown after Buffy tells Spike their prior > night was the "same" for her (the most wonderful of her life). God, that scene was awful. All the romantic genius of a soap opera. I was giggling all through it. > >Was I the only one wanting Andrew and Anya to bonk like bunn, er, > >whatevers? He shouldn't die a virgin. No one should. > > I thought they might, but Anya's too 'old' for him. He's like a 12 > year old. I was seeing shippiness in the scene. Andrew is still closeted, he still thinks sex with girls is cool. And, Anya is capable of as much childlike innocence as Andrew is. It could'a happened. That being said, I'm still holding out for Anya/X. They're pretty much drawn to one another like gravity: Anya likes his strength and Xander is the loyal type. If they survive next week's episode, I think they'll eventually end up together. I liked Andrew taking the initiative to go pick up supplies, without having to be told to do it. How different was that from the illusioned boy of last september, who didn't even comprehend what a real crisis is, let alone what to do during one. Andrew has shown a nice, steady character growth over this season. About Dawn: was this the instance when Buffy won't "pick" her, as Joyce said a few months ago? Was the "picking" to mean that Buffy didn't pick Dawn as a soldier in the fight? Aura

2003-05-14 07:47:06-07:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (nardo218@yahoo.com)


Jyeshta <whatever@twixtntween.com> wrote in message news:<b651cvoh2mcs6fr9f8q1li22tqam8uafq9@4ax.com>... > >Space, lots of it. > >j > >k > >l > > > > > > > >s > > > >f > > > >a > > > >a > > > >l > >h > >h > >h > > > That was such a total letdown after Buffy tells Spike their prior > night was the "same" for her (the most wonderful of her life). God, that scene was awful. All the romantic genius of a soap opera. I was giggling all through it. > >Was I the only one wanting Andrew and Anya to bonk like bunn, er, > >whatevers? He shouldn't die a virgin. No one should. > > I thought they might, but Anya's too 'old' for him. He's like a 12 > year old. I was seeing shippiness in the scene. Andrew is still closeted, he still thinks sex with girls is cool. And, Anya is capable of as much childlike innocence as Andrew is. It could'a happened. That being said, I'm still holding out for Anya/X. They're pretty much drawn to one another like gravity: Anya likes his strength and Xander is the loyal type. If they survive next week's episode, I think they'll eventually end up together. I liked Andrew taking the initiative to go pick up supplies, without having to be told to do it. How different was that from the illusioned boy of last september, who didn't even comprehend what a real crisis is, let alone what to do during one. Andrew has shown a nice, steady character growth over this season. About Dawn: was this the instance when Buffy won't "pick" her, as Joyce said a few months ago? Was the "picking" to mean that Buffy didn't pick Dawn as a soldier in the fight? Aura

2003-05-14 07:55:47-07:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (nardo218@yahoo.com)


salmoneous@aol.com (salmoneous) wrote in message news:<54daff87.0305131836.7069457b@posting.google.com>... > Very much a Drac moment. I wonder if they didn't borrow the music or > something since that is exactly what it felt like even before I saw > YAT. In a few parts of this ep, the music was a varition on what I call "Jenny's Theme," that maudlin tune that was played at the end of Passion, when Giles and Buffy are at Jenny's grave. The tune was used a lot around S2-3, usually in Giles-angst scenes. It's one of my fave underscores, much more to my liking than "Close Your Eyes", the b/a theme. I haven't noticed it being used much in *years* so I was glad to hear to come back before the series was over. FYI: ASH is the "ooo ooo" male vocal part in the underscore of the grave scene in Passion. Aura

2003-05-14 07:55:47-07:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (nardo218@yahoo.com)


salmoneous@aol.com (salmoneous) wrote in message news:<54daff87.0305131836.7069457b@posting.google.com>... > Very much a Drac moment. I wonder if they didn't borrow the music or > something since that is exactly what it felt like even before I saw > YAT. In a few parts of this ep, the music was a varition on what I call "Jenny's Theme," that maudlin tune that was played at the end of Passion, when Giles and Buffy are at Jenny's grave. The tune was used a lot around S2-3, usually in Giles-angst scenes. It's one of my fave underscores, much more to my liking than "Close Your Eyes", the b/a theme. I haven't noticed it being used much in *years* so I was glad to hear to come back before the series was over. FYI: ASH is the "ooo ooo" male vocal part in the underscore of the grave scene in Passion. Aura

2003-05-14 13:43:50-04:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)


In article <7g04cvopcg46jok23j2hgvji7a1rpqqm6h@4ax.com>, Zombie Elvis <DELETE-ME-2-REPLY-robertocastillo@ameritech.net> wrote: > It was a time of great turmoil. The strong preyed on the weak, dogs > and cats lived together. One voice cried out in the wilderness: Don > Sample <dsample@synapse.net> wrote in > <130520031511185984%dsample@synapse.net>: > > > In article <MPG.192acf855f15711698a1f2@netnews.attbi.com>, Growltiger > > <tyger@never.invalid> wrote: > > > > > > Space, lots of it. > > > > j > > > > k > > > > l > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > s > > > > > > > > f > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > l > > > > h > > > > h > > > > h > > > > > > > > n > > > > n > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chao-Ahn, the potential Slayer from Guangdong perished in the bomb > > > blast, if I understood Faith's comment on the debacle. I suppose she > > > qualifies as a red shirt. > > > > No. Faith suggests that they make Chao-Ahn leader, since no one can > > understand what she says, she won't be able to lead them into any > > deathtraps. Very much a present tense implication that Chao-Ahn was > > alive and well. > > And we saw Chao-Ahn shouting "what" repeatedly while Anya was chatting > with Andrew while tending to her wounds. It reminded me of the stories > my mother tells of being ignored by nurses when she's in the hospital > (her English isn't very good either). That wasn't Chao-Ahn. The girl saying "What?" all the time was saying it because she understood Anya when she kept saying she was going to die. -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

2003-05-14 13:43:50-04:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (Don Sample <dsample@synapse.net>)


In article <7g04cvopcg46jok23j2hgvji7a1rpqqm6h@4ax.com>, Zombie Elvis <DELETE-ME-2-REPLY-robertocastillo@ameritech.net> wrote: > It was a time of great turmoil. The strong preyed on the weak, dogs > and cats lived together. One voice cried out in the wilderness: Don > Sample <dsample@synapse.net> wrote in > <130520031511185984%dsample@synapse.net>: > > > In article <MPG.192acf855f15711698a1f2@netnews.attbi.com>, Growltiger > > <tyger@never.invalid> wrote: > > > > > > Space, lots of it. > > > > j > > > > k > > > > l > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > s > > > > > > > > f > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > l > > > > h > > > > h > > > > h > > > > > > > > n > > > > n > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chao-Ahn, the potential Slayer from Guangdong perished in the bomb > > > blast, if I understood Faith's comment on the debacle. I suppose she > > > qualifies as a red shirt. > > > > No. Faith suggests that they make Chao-Ahn leader, since no one can > > understand what she says, she won't be able to lead them into any > > deathtraps. Very much a present tense implication that Chao-Ahn was > > alive and well. > > And we saw Chao-Ahn shouting "what" repeatedly while Anya was chatting > with Andrew while tending to her wounds. It reminded me of the stories > my mother tells of being ignored by nurses when she's in the hospital > (her English isn't very good either). That wasn't Chao-Ahn. The girl saying "What?" all the time was saying it because she understood Anya when she kept saying she was going to die. -- Don Sample, dsample@synapse.net Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/ Quando omni flunkus moritati

2003-05-14 15:09:03+00:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (Jyeshta <whatever@twixtntween.com>)


On 14 May 2003 07:47:06 -0700, nardo218@yahoo.com (Ice Queen) wrote: >Jyeshta <whatever@twixtntween.com> wrote in message news:<b651cvoh2mcs6fr9f8q1li22tqam8uafq9@4ax.com>... >> >Space, lots of it. >> >j >> >k >> >l >> > >> > >> > >> >s >> > >> >f >> > >> >a >> > >> >a >> > >> >l >> >h >> >h >> >h >> > >> That was such a total letdown after Buffy tells Spike their prior >> night was the "same" for her (the most wonderful of her life). > >God, that scene was awful. All the romantic genius of a soap opera. I >was giggling all through it. > >> >Was I the only one wanting Andrew and Anya to bonk like bunn, er, >> >whatevers? He shouldn't die a virgin. No one should. >> >> I thought they might, but Anya's too 'old' for him. He's like a 12 >> year old. > >I was seeing shippiness in the scene. Andrew is still closeted, he >still thinks sex with girls is cool. And, Anya is capable of as much >childlike innocence as Andrew is. It could'a happened. > >That being said, I'm still holding out for Anya/X. They're pretty much >drawn to one another like gravity: Anya likes his strength and Xander >is the loyal type. If they survive next week's episode, I think >they'll eventually end up together. I think so too. >I liked Andrew taking the initiative to go pick up supplies, without >having to be told to do it. How different was that from the illusioned >boy of last september, who didn't even comprehend what a real crisis >is, let alone what to do during one. Andrew has shown a nice, steady >character growth over this season. 7x21 was the only ep I didn't really mind him. Maybe because I hated all the others so much... >About Dawn: was this the instance when Buffy won't "pick" her, as >Joyce said a few months ago? Was the "picking" to mean that Buffy >didn't pick Dawn as a soldier in the fight? Good point. I hope an ubervamp gets Dawn. >Aura

2003-05-14 15:09:03+00:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (Jyeshta <whatever@twixtntween.com>)


On 14 May 2003 07:47:06 -0700, nardo218@yahoo.com (Ice Queen) wrote: >Jyeshta <whatever@twixtntween.com> wrote in message news:<b651cvoh2mcs6fr9f8q1li22tqam8uafq9@4ax.com>... >> >Space, lots of it. >> >j >> >k >> >l >> > >> > >> > >> >s >> > >> >f >> > >> >a >> > >> >a >> > >> >l >> >h >> >h >> >h >> > >> That was such a total letdown after Buffy tells Spike their prior >> night was the "same" for her (the most wonderful of her life). > >God, that scene was awful. All the romantic genius of a soap opera. I >was giggling all through it. > >> >Was I the only one wanting Andrew and Anya to bonk like bunn, er, >> >whatevers? He shouldn't die a virgin. No one should. >> >> I thought they might, but Anya's too 'old' for him. He's like a 12 >> year old. > >I was seeing shippiness in the scene. Andrew is still closeted, he >still thinks sex with girls is cool. And, Anya is capable of as much >childlike innocence as Andrew is. It could'a happened. > >That being said, I'm still holding out for Anya/X. They're pretty much >drawn to one another like gravity: Anya likes his strength and Xander >is the loyal type. If they survive next week's episode, I think >they'll eventually end up together. I think so too. >I liked Andrew taking the initiative to go pick up supplies, without >having to be told to do it. How different was that from the illusioned >boy of last september, who didn't even comprehend what a real crisis >is, let alone what to do during one. Andrew has shown a nice, steady >character growth over this season. 7x21 was the only ep I didn't really mind him. Maybe because I hated all the others so much... >About Dawn: was this the instance when Buffy won't "pick" her, as >Joyce said a few months ago? Was the "picking" to mean that Buffy >didn't pick Dawn as a soldier in the fight? Good point. I hope an ubervamp gets Dawn. >Aura

2003-05-14 21:08:14+00:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (CC Zona <cczona@nospam.invalid>)


In article <e7ab6382.0305140647.59c4819e@posting.google.com>, nardo218@yahoo.com (Ice Queen) wrote: > About Dawn: was this the instance when Buffy won't "pick" her, as > Joyce said a few months ago? Was the "picking" to mean that Buffy > didn't pick Dawn as a soldier in the fight? Clue 1: "When the time comes, Dawn, Buffy won't choose you". Clue 2: Next's week's episode is titled "Chosen" (No spoilers, just theory, but...) Joyce's prophecy looks to be the issue being settled next week. Someone will have be chosen, Buffy's not gonna want it to be Dawn, and Dawn will have her own opinion on the matter. Let's just hope that whatever the resolve is, it makes more sense than The Gift did! -- CC "Has Cordy been a bad, bad girl?" -Lorne "All I'm saying is soulles Spike would have had me upside down and halfway to happyland by now!" - Anya Dawn: "I feel safe with you..." Spike: "TAKE THAT BACK!"

2003-05-14 21:08:14+00:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (CC Zona <cczona@nospam.invalid>)


In article <e7ab6382.0305140647.59c4819e@posting.google.com>, nardo218@yahoo.com (Ice Queen) wrote: > About Dawn: was this the instance when Buffy won't "pick" her, as > Joyce said a few months ago? Was the "picking" to mean that Buffy > didn't pick Dawn as a soldier in the fight? Clue 1: "When the time comes, Dawn, Buffy won't choose you". Clue 2: Next's week's episode is titled "Chosen" (No spoilers, just theory, but...) Joyce's prophecy looks to be the issue being settled next week. Someone will have be chosen, Buffy's not gonna want it to be Dawn, and Dawn will have her own opinion on the matter. Let's just hope that whatever the resolve is, it makes more sense than The Gift did! -- CC "Has Cordy been a bad, bad girl?" -Lorne "All I'm saying is soulles Spike would have had me upside down and halfway to happyland by now!" - Anya Dawn: "I feel safe with you..." Spike: "TAKE THAT BACK!"

2003-05-17 21:53:26-07:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (nardo218@yahoo.com)


CC Zona <cczona@nospam.invalid> wrote in message news:<cczona-23A8B0.14081414052003@netnews.attbi.com>... > (No spoilers, just theory, but...) Joyce's prophecy looks to be the issue > being settled next week. Assuming it isn't one of many plotlines this season that will get forgotten. > Someone will have be chosen, Buffy's not gonna > want it to be Dawn, and Dawn will have her own opinion on the matter. > Let's just hope that whatever the resolve is, it makes more sense than The > Gift did! Let's just hope this time the *correct* Summers girl gets thrown off a tower into a swirling vortex from hell. Hmm, possible speculation (totally unspoiled, based only on in-show stuff) . . . I still believe that the hellmouth will be closed with Buffy inside, to protect it from being opened again. Hmm... <shrug> the best I can think of right now, (at one am with some wine in my head) is that Dawn will want to put herself on the front lines of the battle to protect Buffy (watch her back?) and Buffy won't let her. Cuz that would twist around the ominousness of Joyce's prophesy, and Joss is large with the twisty. (Oh, I'm gonna miss scoobyspeak!) > Clue 1: "When the time comes, Dawn, Buffy won't choose you". > > Clue 2: Next's week's episode is titled "Chosen" Is that the definate title? I've seen everything from that to my personal favorite, P o s s i b l e s p o i l e r s "Shut Yo Mouth." Aura

2003-05-17 21:53:26-07:00 - Re: Musing on End of Days. SPOILER - (nardo218@yahoo.com)


CC Zona <cczona@nospam.invalid> wrote in message news:<cczona-23A8B0.14081414052003@netnews.attbi.com>... > (No spoilers, just theory, but...) Joyce's prophecy looks to be the issue > being settled next week. Assuming it isn't one of many plotlines this season that will get forgotten. > Someone will have be chosen, Buffy's not gonna > want it to be Dawn, and Dawn will have her own opinion on the matter. > Let's just hope that whatever the resolve is, it makes more sense than The > Gift did! Let's just hope this time the *correct* Summers girl gets thrown off a tower into a swirling vortex from hell. Hmm, possible speculation (totally unspoiled, based only on in-show stuff) . . . I still believe that the hellmouth will be closed with Buffy inside, to protect it from being opened again. Hmm... <shrug> the best I can think of right now, (at one am with some wine in my head) is that Dawn will want to put herself on the front lines of the battle to protect Buffy (watch her back?) and Buffy won't let her. Cuz that would twist around the ominousness of Joyce's prophesy, and Joss is large with the twisty. (Oh, I'm gonna miss scoobyspeak!) > Clue 1: "When the time comes, Dawn, Buffy won't choose you". > > Clue 2: Next's week's episode is titled "Chosen" Is that the definate title? I've seen everything from that to my personal favorite, P o s s i b l e s p o i l e r s "Shut Yo Mouth." Aura