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2000-12-26 12:43:35+00:00 - OT: Aire Libre - First 5Minutes (for CAPTANNE) - (ciel62@my-deja.com)


> Oh, and can any soul in the WORLD please explain the first five minutes? > Hi Anne! I stumbled upon information regarding this scene in a wonderful article by Jim McCullough. Its about how he learned of Dr. Aimee Bonpland. This is an excerpt from the article regarding Bonpland's funeral (the first five minutes of "Aire Libre"): "Lost between the primitive world and the modern world to the very end, Bonpland directed that when he died his body be embalmed by the latest scientific techniques. His wish was carried out so well that a gaucho entering the room courteously greeted the corpse lying in state. When the apparently preoccupied old scientist disdained to reply, the gaucho became enraged and drew a long knife and plunged it into the dead man's heart." You can read the article in its entirety at this link: http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~ifza600/Paraguay.html I read this article before seeing "Aire Libre". I couldn't wait to see it after learning that Roy Dupuis would be portraying the fascinating Dr. Aimee Bonpland. I couldn't imagine anyone better cast! Unfortunately, I was disappointed, not in Dupuis' performance (he was dead-on, and physically stunning). I had hoped that it would cover more than just the expedition and that the writing and direction would have been a bit more...substantive. Bonpland's story is an amazing one. It's so sad to find out that his extensive botanical work was credited to Humboldt while he remains a footnote in history. Even sadder that this film had such great potential. Hope this info helps! ciel62 Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

2000-12-26 14:15:41+01:00 - Re: OT: Aire Libre - First 5Minutes (for CAPTANNE) - (Isabelle <kadyn@noos.fr>)


Thanks Ciel, I read the article and it was very interested. I regret more than ever that the movie didn't do justice to this fascinating man. hugs kadyn -- "A man's reach should exceed his grasp, or else what's Heaven for?" Robert Browning

2000-12-26 15:03:48+00:00 - Re: OT: Aire Libre - First 5Minutes (for CAPTANNE) - (captanne@aol.com)


Ciel, forgive me for being obtuse but I had no idea Bopland was real. I imagined it was just another fiction. Oh, too bad this movie was so lousy. Bopland was a fascinating character. Did Humbolt take his credit knowing that it was truly Bopland who was responsible for the discoveries? What a schnook. I am VERY interested in South America...I've travelled there extensively.....I want a Cotamundi for my very own :).........The cats would disapprove, though. The care of the body in the beginning is very Argentine. They (sorry Gabie, but you are) are very funny about corpses. I immediately had an Evita Experience when I saw that scene. Interesting that the gaucho stabbed him. It's the fellow who went with them.........the one who didn't like what they were doing at all. I still don't quite "get it." "Paraguay.html" I thought they were mainly in Venezuela.....or is that just where they initially landed? Am I asking too much? I should just go read the article. >I couldn't wait to see >it after learning that Roy Dupuis would be portraying the fascinating >Dr. Aimee Bonpland. I couldn't imagine anyone better cast! >Unfortunately, I was disappointed, not in Dupuis' performance (he was >dead-on, and physically stunning). Physically stunning? Great God on a Mountain, all His Saints and the Mother Mary combined. *sigh* Anne (The loincloth and that lucky monkey.....)

2000-12-27 03:22:28+00:00 - Re: OT: Aire Libre - First 5 Minutes (for CAPTANNE) - (ciel62@my-deja.com)


>Thanks Ciel, I read the article and it was very interested. I regret more than ever that the movie didn't do justice to this fascinating man. > You're welcome kadyn! I'm sorry that they didn't do justice to not only Bonpland, but to his and Humboldt's immense, original contributions to the fields of geology, meteorology, botany, anthropology, and geography. > Bopland was a fascinating character. Did Humbolt take his credit knowing that it was truly Bopland who was responsible for the discoveries? What a schnook. > Baron Alexander von Humboldt was one of the most famous men in the 19th century, he was a true genius and is rightfully lauded for his work. He adored and relied on Aime Bonpland, it's just that Bonpland's contributions of their expedition is usually mentioned as an aside; most likely because he chose to go native and because he was considered an eccentric for not returning to Europe to continue to bask in the glory that was expected of him. Although trained as a medical doctor, his love was botany. He was considered one of the best gardeners in France, Empress Josephine selected him to oversee her gardens at Malmaison, her country estate. He was well-known in French society and was respected; joining Humboldt on this expedition was a big deal and their discoveries were historic. He could have continued on this path with Humboldt, going on expeditions and publishing his findings - but he chose otherwise. > It's the fellow who went with them.........the one who didn't like what they were doing at all. I still don't quite "get it." > I'm not too sure about this, they may have been using his character to make a point about the superiority and bigotry that the Spanish had against the natives. > "Paraguay.html" I thought they were mainly in Venezuela.....or is that just where they initially landed? Am I asking too much? I should just go read the article. > They were in Venezuela and also covered a great deal more of South and Central America, as well as, Mexico. They even met with Thomas Jefferson while in America for a short period of time. Paraguay is where Bonpland settled. > Physically stunning? Great God on a Mountain, all His Saints and the Mother Mary combined. *sigh* > Believe me, I echo your sentiments, loudly! I know I had my finger on the rewind, slow-mo, and pause buttons more than once! I'm certain I forgot to breathe the first time I saw him in that oh-so-flattering loincloth! He's ruined me for any other actor. I can't stand the fact that no one in Hollywood or the media "gets it". I'm a huge film fan and have seen a ton of movies: from the silents and classics, to independent and foreign films, to Hollywood blockbusters - I haven't seen anyone with the beauty, intelligence, talent and charisma of Roy Dupuis...ever. Can't wait to see him again in January, even if it is for only 2.whatever episodes. ciel62 :) Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

2000-12-27 10:03:49+01:00 - Re: OT: Aire Libre - First 5 Minutes (for CAPTANNE) - (Isabelle <kadyn@noos.fr>)


ciel62@my-deja.com wrote: > He's ruined me for any other actor. I can't stand the fact that no one > in Hollywood or the media "gets it". I'm a huge film fan and have seen > a ton of movies: from the silents and classics, to independent and > foreign films, to Hollywood blockbusters - I haven't seen anyone with > the beauty, intelligence, talent and charisma of Roy Dupuis...ever. ehehehe Ciel I'm partly with you on this. ITA with your thoughts on RD but I must say that there are a couple of actors I find just as fascinating. But IMHO what is specific to RD is his animal charisma, I can think of others actors with beauty, intelligence, talent and charisma. But when it comes to all that plus animal magnetism, I can only think of a young Marlon Brando and RD. hugs kadyn -- "A man's reach should exceed his grasp, or else what's Heaven for?" Robert Browning

2000-12-27 13:41:43+00:00 - Re: OT: Aire Libre - First 5 Minutes (for CAPTANNE) - (hgbunting@aol.comxyzxyz)


>But when it >comes to all that plus animal magnetism, I can only think of a young Marlon >Brando and RD. Didn't RD say in an interview once that one of his idols was Marlon Brando. Remember that small role in Easy Money he took so he could work with MB? Helen

2000-12-27 14:12:11+00:00 - Re: OT: Aire Libre - First 5 Minutes (for CAPTANNE) - (captanne@aol.com)


>He's ruined me for any other actor. He has that habit. Me, too. Anne

2000-12-27 14:13:19+00:00 - Re: OT: Aire Libre - First 5 Minutes (for CAPTANNE) - (captanne@aol.com)


>Didn't RD say in an interview once that one of his idols was Marlon Brando. >Remember that small role in Easy Money he took so he could work with MB? > >Helen I think so. I also think that's where the "two fingers on the chin" maneuver comes from. Copying his hero. Anne (Imitation is the finest form of flattery.)