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1996-06-04 00:00:00 - Re: tonight's episode ~o~ - (bruce@rpl.regina.sk.ca)


In article <4p12l3$beq@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>, JD wrote: :In <slrn4r7lj4.f92.bruce@ATHENA.RPL.REGINA.SK.CA> :bruce@rpl.regina.sk.ca (Bruce Welch) writes: : :>:Tonight's ep. was the Christmas one (Not Such A Wonderful Life, I :>:believe is the title). :>:Any other thoughts on this episode? : :>Well, we now know that they *did* find and check the negatives. And :then :>made it look they missed them. : :How did we know this, if I may ask? : :(PLEASE answer, this has me thinking up a storm and wishing I taped the :series :) ) At the time it aired - no one could believe how inept the org was. In light of the finale (Gemini) - the org wasn't that inept. They didn't want the negs that Tom had. They wanted the Gemini negs. They also wanted the thought control to be working. That makes INSAWL an exercise in reinforcing the Tom Veil identity and stepping up the paranoia with the 'forgotten' video tape. There is also the idea that they want the thought control to break down - but, only enough to have Tom 'remember' the Gemini negs and then 'voluntarily' hand them over. Or, there is a 3rd or 4th or 5th set of competing orgs - or, Tom is really an infiltrator from the Bavarian Illuminati and his memory self destructed and the org is trying to reconstruct it by leading him through parodies of his previous missions. -- this signature being renovated ... excuse the mess spoo (was #1418) #1417

1996-06-04 00:00:00 - Re: tonight's episode - (alantuck@usa.pipeline.com)


On Jun 04, 1996 14:49:16 in article <Re: tonight's episode>, 'teachercc@aol.com (Teacher cc)' wrote: >Alan Tucker said ... (smirkingly-so...) > ><<You teach a course called "AOL & You"?? Reminds me of a few of the >"challenging" courses I took with the Ohio State football players some >years ago. The difference being, I passed and they flunked. Then again, >most of those guys are now long-retired, courtesy of a huge NFL nest egg. >Who needs a brain when you can cripple a middle linebacker? > >-Alan Tucker->> > >Yea... isn't it cute (much sarcasm)... actually, I didn't pick the name. >Actually -- it's a great course, if I can say so myself :) > >Christina Smirkingly-so? I never smirk. More like sheepishly grinning-so. But really, what in the heck is "AOL & You"? Other than the fact one needs a doctorate to figure out AOL's newsreader, what is taught? I thought that's why God created 10 free hours upon joining. Although, I just noticed from a free, unsolicited disk they just mailed me, they've pumped the initial free hours up to 15. -Alan Tucker-

1996-06-04 00:00:00 - tonight's episode - (starsk13@ix.netcom.com)


I have been reading the posts about whether this newsgroup will continue to find topics to discuss. We could always have as topic of the week whatever episode was shown (providing UPN continues to run repeats). Tonight's ep. was the Christmas one (Not Such A Wonderful Life, I believe is the title). This is probably the worst thing they've ever done to Tom, it's painful to watch! Got to have nearly killed him. (BG does such a beautiful job of acting here. The distrust, then the tentative hope. Finally, the realization of betrayal.) It shows TV's spirit and will to survive that he was able to continue on after this especially nasty mind-game. Even with the Gemini/nothing is real explanation, this conspiracy just seems so convoluted. *Why* are they playing around with his mind like this? You think with all their power they'd have better things to do. But maybe that *was* the point -- they were testing his will to survive? His strength? Now matter what they'd thrown at him, they haven't been able to break him. Any other thoughts on this episode? Leah

1996-06-04 00:00:00 - Re: tonight's episode - (bruce@rpl.regina.sk.ca)


In article <4p07tp$g10@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>, Leah Starsky wrote: : :I have been reading the posts about whether this newsgroup will :continue to find topics to discuss. We could always have as topic :of the week whatever episode was shown (providing UPN continues :to run repeats). : :Tonight's ep. was the Christmas one (Not Such A Wonderful Life, I :believe is the title). :Any other thoughts on this episode? : :Leah : Well, we now know that they *did* find and check the negatives. And then made it look they missed them. They wanted to be sure that Tom hadn't discovered he was Gemini - and be sure that he didn't yet have the "real" negatives. The question is, what made them think that Tom may have already found the Gemini stuff? I didn't rewatch it - anybody compare the "fake" senators to the "replaced" senators? -- this signature being renovated ... excuse the mess spoo #1418

1996-06-04 00:00:00 - Re: tonight's episode ~o~ - (jdupree@ix.netcom.com)


In <slrn4r7lj4.f92.bruce@ATHENA.RPL.REGINA.SK.CA> bruce@rpl.regina.sk.ca (Bruce Welch) writes: >:Tonight's ep. was the Christmas one (Not Such A Wonderful Life, I >:believe is the title). >:Any other thoughts on this episode? >Well, we now know that they *did* find and check the negatives. And then >made it look they missed them. How did we know this, if I may ask? (PLEASE answer, this has me thinking up a storm and wishing I taped the series :) )

1996-06-04 00:00:00 - Re: tonight's episode - (teachercc@aol.com)


Leah writes.... <<Tonight's ep. was the Christmas one (Not Such A Wonderful Life, I believe is the title). This is probably the worst thing they've ever done to Tom, it's painful to watch! >> I do agree. This is one of the episodes that actually made me cry. I KNEW it... I KNEW it (even when it was first aired!) that it was all part of the game to break Tom down even further. I kept wondering to myself "what MORE do they want out of him" -- you can actually see his psyche breaking up... The newspapers were fake, the tv broadcast was fake (knew that first time around and before Tom discovered the tape). Playing with emotions like that can wear a man down more than any kind of physical abuse. Christina (who probably won't be able to sleep tonight <never can after a NwM ep!)

1996-06-04 00:00:00 - Re: tonight's episode - (alantuck@usa.pipeline.com)


On Jun 04, 1996 08:01:57 in article <Re: tonight's episode>, 'teachercc@aol.com (Teacher cc)' wrote: >I do agree. This is one of the episodes that actually made me cry. I >KNEW it... I KNEW it (even when it was first aired!) that it was all part >of the game to break Tom down even further. I kept wondering to myself >"what MORE do they want out of him" -- you can actually see his psyche >breaking up... > >The newspapers were fake, the tv broadcast was fake (knew that first time >around and before Tom discovered the tape). Playing with emotions like >that can wear a man down more than any kind of physical abuse. > >Christina (who probably won't be able to sleep tonight <never can after a >NwM ep!) This episode was very good, but it actually made you cry?? Wow. I'd hate to see you around a bowl of onions. :-) And since I'm in an inquisitive mood, what's with the user name? -Alan Tucker-

1996-06-04 00:00:00 - Re: tonight's episode - (alantuck@usa.pipeline.com)


On Jun 04, 1996 11:28:50 in article <Re: tonight's episode>, 'teachercc@aol.com (Teacher cc)' wrote: >This episode was very good, but it actually made you cry?? Wow. I'd hate >to see you around a bowl of onions. :-) And since I'm in an inquisitive >mood, what's with the user name? > >-Alan Tucker- >> >Yes, it did. Just seeing Tom being so emotional -- HE had tears in his >eyes... and I could just FEEL his emotions eminating through that tv >screen. It got me emotional. I could relate with him in a way. > >Oh, my Teacher cc user name? I work for America Online. I'm a remote >staffer and I teach computer classes in the Online Campus (for those of >you that are on AOL ... that's keyword: campus). I currently teach >Windows 95 and the Official AOL course called "AOL & You". It's being >done in a public forum called an auditorium this term to attract ones to >the Online Campus. I have two more classes to teach this way and I'm >taking it back to the Online Campus as a regularly registered course. I >get SO much email as the teach, that it's what I primarily Most people >know me (all the forums I'm on and follow as the teach... so why not :> ) > >I do have a local provider -- but it sucks in the biggest way. It's slow >and pokey and and I have a 28.8. I have complained about it. > >Anyway... that's the story about me -- the reader's digest version (I have >been doing this job over 6 years online). > >Christina You teach a course called "AOL & You"?? Reminds me of a few of the "challenging" courses I took with the Ohio State football players some years ago. The difference being, I passed and they flunked. Then again, most of those guys are now long-retired, courtesy of a huge NFL nest egg. Who needs a brain when you can cripple a middle linebacker? -Alan Tucker-

1996-06-04 00:00:00 - Re: tonight's episode - (teachercc@aol.com)


Alan Tucker replied... and so inquisitively so... << On Jun 04, 1996 08:01:57 in article <Re: tonight's episode>, 'teachercc@aol.com (Teacher cc)' wrote: >I do agree. This is one of the episodes that actually made me cry. I <snip for the sake of bandwidth> This episode was very good, but it actually made you cry?? Wow. I'd hate to see you around a bowl of onions. :-) And since I'm in an inquisitive mood, what's with the user name? -Alan Tucker- >> Yes, it did. Just seeing Tom being so emotional -- HE had tears in his eyes... and I could just FEEL his emotions eminating through that tv screen. It got me emotional. I could relate with him in a way. Oh, my Teacher cc user name? I work for America Online. I'm a remote staffer and I teach computer classes in the Online Campus (for those of you that are on AOL ... that's keyword: campus). I currently teach Windows 95 and the Official AOL course called "AOL & You". It's being done in a public forum called an auditorium this term to attract ones to the Online Campus. I have two more classes to teach this way and I'm taking it back to the Online Campus as a regularly registered course. I get SO much email as the teach, that it's what I primarily Most people know me (all the forums I'm on and follow as the teach... so why not :> ) I do have a local provider -- but it sucks in the biggest way. It's slow and pokey and and I have a 28.8. I have complained about it. Anyway... that's the story about me -- the reader's digest version (I have been doing this job over 6 years online). Christina

1996-06-04 00:00:00 - Re: tonight's episode ~o~ - (roses@access1.digex.net)


In article <4p12l3$beq@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>, JD <jdupree@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >In <slrn4r7lj4.f92.bruce@ATHENA.RPL.REGINA.SK.CA> >bruce@rpl.regina.sk.ca (Bruce Welch) writes: > >>:Tonight's ep. was the Christmas one (Not Such A Wonderful Life, I >>:believe is the title). >>:Any other thoughts on this episode? > >>Well, we now know that they *did* find and check the negatives. And >then >>made it look they missed them. > >How did we know this, if I may ask? > >(PLEASE answer, this has me thinking up a storm and wishing I taped the >series :) ) For my .02: We know now there is a second set of negatives--is it the set the Organization actually wants? No answers there. --if it is, then (at least I do )I believe the Organization was reinforcing Tom's protection of the fake negatives and reinforcing the memory implants. If I remember right, this would be the first time since Tom was 'sent into the world' that they'd been able to 'check' to see which negatives he has. Going nowhere, Rose Swicegood

1996-06-04 00:00:00 - Re: tonight's episode - (jjarrow@aol.com)


I remember this ep. It was *soo* sad. Grrr. Allyson. -JJ ---------------- "A man without his pants leaves little room for explanation." Ramos, LEGEND "We're Starfleet officers, Mr. Kim. Weird is part of the job." Janeway, ST: VOYAGER

1996-06-04 00:00:00 - Re: tonight's episode - (teachercc@aol.com)


Alan Tucker said ... (smirkingly-so...) <<You teach a course called "AOL & You"?? Reminds me of a few of the "challenging" courses I took with the Ohio State football players some years ago. The difference being, I passed and they flunked. Then again, most of those guys are now long-retired, courtesy of a huge NFL nest egg. Who needs a brain when you can cripple a middle linebacker? -Alan Tucker->> Yea... isn't it cute (much sarcasm)... actually, I didn't pick the name. Actually -- it's a great course, if I can say so myself :) Christina

1996-06-05 00:00:00 - Re: tonight's episode - (George Holt <geoholt@ix.netcom.com>)


starsk13@ix.netcom.com(Leah Starsky) wrote: > >Tonight's ep. was the Christmas one (Not Such A Wonderful Life, I >believe is the title). This is probably the worst thing they've >ever done to Tom, it's painful to watch! Got to have nearly killed >him. (BG does such a beautiful job of acting here. The distrust, >then the tentative hope. Finally, the realization of betrayal.) It >shows TV's spirit and will to survive that he was able to continue on >after this especially nasty mind-game. Seeing this again, I was quite impressed with Mr. Greenwood. The anguish in his voice really got to me when he told Alyson that she has to explain from the beginning if they are going to have a future. It was all the more painful to watch this knowning what was coming. He finally got everything-- all the simple, most important things-- he wanted again, and then lost it overnight. >Even with the Gemini/nothing is real explanation, this conspiracy >just seems so convoluted. *Why* are they playing around with his >mind like this? You think with all their power they'd have better >things to do. But maybe that *was* the point -- they were testing >his will to survive? His strength? Now matter what they'd thrown >at him, they haven't been able to break him. Actually, I wonder if the point wasn't to just make him MORE desperate with longing for this life that wasn't even real. That emotional devastation should help convince him all the more that he lost something real (when in fact he didn't). >Any other thoughts on this episode? Yeah-- where was the beginning with the cobblestone streets and trolley car filmed? I seem to recall cobblestone and trolley tracks (but no trolley) in downtown Portland, but none of the rest of the area looked familiar. Except the house they put him up in-- looks like my sister's neighborhood in Tigard. Could be any tract-home area, tho. -------------------- Karen Kimball <posting from husband's account>

1996-06-05 00:00:00 - Re: tonight's episode ~o~ - (starsk13@ix.netcom.com)


In <4p1p41$9tb@access1.digex.net> roses@access1.digex.net (Rose Swicegood) writes: > >In article <4p12l3$beq@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>, >JD <jdupree@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>In <slrn4r7lj4.f92.bruce@ATHENA.RPL.REGINA.SK.CA> >>bruce@rpl.regina.sk.ca (Bruce Welch) writes: >> >>>:Tonight's ep. was the Christmas one (Not Such A Wonderful Life, I >>>:believe is the title). >>>:Any other thoughts on this episode? >> >>>Well, we now know that they *did* find and check the negatives. And >>then made it look they missed them. >> >>How did we know this, if I may ask? >> >>(PLEASE answer, this has me thinking up a storm and wishing I taped the series :) ) > >For my .02: >We know now there is a second set of negatives--is it the set the >Organization actually wants? No answers there. >--if it is, then (at least I do )I believe the Organization was >reinforcing Tom's protection of the fake negatives and reinforcing the >memory implants. If I remember right, this would be the first time >since Tom was 'sent into the world' that they'd been able to 'check' >to see which negatives he has. Now wait a minute... If the Organization wants the other set of negatives, it would be so simple to just drug Tom up and get the hiding place out of him. If they can implant memories and make people think they're someone else, this would be a piece of cake. There has to be more to it. Leah

1996-06-05 00:00:00 - Re: tonight's episode - (IJBall@aol.com)


In article <slrn4r7lj4.f92.bruce@ATHENA.RPL.REGINA.SK.CA>, bruce@rpl.regina.sk.ca wrote: > Well, we now know that they *did* find and check the negatives. And then > made it look they missed them. They wanted to be sure that Tom hadn't > discovered he was Gemini - and be sure that he didn't yet have the "real" > negatives. After having seen it again, that was also my interpretation. However, there are still some continuity problems that it noticed, especially at the beginning of the episode (of course, now I can't remember them). In any case, after having seen this episode again, it left me with the feeling that this episode actually is *not* very well integrated with the rest of the show's storyline. It is still one of the best "stand alone" episodes though. And of course, there is still the whole problem of why Tom didn't go find a real newspaper after he stole the car... ;> > The question is, what made them think that Tom may have > already found the Gemini stuff? I think they were just checking. If you recall, he was in Washington in this episode. And Gemini's hideout was just outside of Washington. Once he was in Washington, they had to make sure he had not found the real negatives. (Of course, there is a continuity problem about this in "Gemini" too, which I'll talk about if anybody cares to hear it.) All in all though, I think the main point was to try and break him down. > I didn't rewatch it - anybody compare > the "fake" senators to the "replaced" senators? No relation, as far as I could tell. -- Ian J. Ball | Want my TV episode guides or rec.arts.tv FAQ? Grad Student, UCLA | http://members.aol.com/IJBall/WWW/IJBall.html IJBall@aol.com | ftp://members.aol.com/IJBall3/FTP/ ijb@ucla.edu | "What to do, with time so short?..."

1996-06-05 00:00:00 - Re: tonight's episode - (teachercc@aol.com)


Alan Tucker replies... sheepish-grinningly-so (wonder if my English teacher lurks?) << Smirkingly-so? I never smirk. More like sheepishly grinning-so. But really, what in the heck is "AOL & You"? Other than the fact one needs a doctorate to figure out AOL's newsreader, what is taught? I thought that's why God created 10 free hours upon joining. Although, I just noticed from a free, unsolicited disk they just mailed me, they've pumped the initial free hours up to 15. >> It's a class I teach on USING AOL. I also work for the academic assistance center -- and daily, we would get requests from people who don't know how to upload/download (confusing the two methods), how to zip, how to find things on AOL. That prompted me to create a class. It has been quite successful. Yup -- 15 hours, which isn't a bad deal. And as of July 1st -- they're going to institute a 20/20 plan. Twenty bucks, twenty hours. But a local provider is still the best way to go. :) Christina

1996-06-06 00:00:00 - Re: tonight's episode ~o~ - (bruce@rpl.regina.sk.ca)


In article <4p31b4$sf3@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com>, Leah Starsky wrote: : :Now wait a minute... If the Organization wants the other set of :negatives, it would be so simple to just drug Tom up and get the hiding :place out of him. If they can implant memories and make people think :they're someone else, this would be a piece of cake. There has to be :more to it. Yup - in the "Memory Man" (don't have my ep lists in front of me) episode we see an entire set of memories that, literally, came out of nowhere. In the "Hacker" episode we learn that Tom is 3rd generation... So... I'm leaning towards the Gemini identity being 2nd generation. With a 1st generation identity behind that. And, somewhere in there, the original identity. Drug him up and get the hiding place out of him? Which him would your drugs be getting through to? Which hiding place? Of what negatives - the ones of the 1st generation's High School grad orgy? There be years of story here. We was robbed! Oh - don't forget the sloppy, quicky 4th generation Tom episode that didn't take. Or, have some of those 'memories' been integrated into Tom3 without Tom being aware of it? And, they used drugs. -- this signature being renovated ... excuse the mess spoo (was #1418) #1417

1996-06-06 00:00:00 - Trolley Location - (vic33@usa.pipeline.com)


On Jun 05, 1996 03:56:43 in article <Re: tonight's episode>, 'George Holt <geoholt@ix.netcom.com>' wrote: >Yeah-- where was the beginning with the cobblestone streets and >trolley car filmed? I seem to recall cobblestone and trolley tracks >(but no trolley) in downtown Portland, but none of the rest of the >area looked familiar. ---->>> Several of the outdoor scenes were filmed on the same block, SW 1st Ave around Pine St. and Oak St. There is a trolley that runs between SW 10th Ave downtown, and Lloyd Center on the east side. It travels along SW 1st Ave between the Steel Bridge and SW Morrison. They call it the "Vintage Trolley." Sometimes it's free, sometimes it costs $1. It runs on the same tracks as the MAX (Metro Area eXpress) light rail. Vic33@usa.pipeline.com http://pwp.usa.pipeline.com/~vic33/ Contact me if you'd like a pay phone for your Portland area business. There is NO CHARGE. :-) I have so much RAM, I don't NEED a hard drive. (-:

1996-06-06 00:00:00 - Re: tonight's episode - (puddintame@aol.com)


In article <4p258g$7te@news2.h1.usa.pipeline.com>, alantuck@usa.pipeline.com(Alan Tucker) writes: >But really, what in the heck is "AOL & You"? Aren't we getting slightly off topic here?

1996-06-06 00:00:00 - Re: tonight's episode - (alantuck@usa.pipeline.com)


On Jun 06, 1996 06:13:56 in article <Re: tonight's episode>, 'puddintame@aol.com (PuddinTame)' wrote: >In article <4p258g$7te@news2.h1.usa.pipeline.com>, >alantuck@usa.pipeline.com(Alan Tucker) writes: > >>But really, what in the heck is "AOL & You"? 'puddintame@aol.com (PuddinTame)' wrote: >Aren't we getting slightly off topic here? When he's not policing for political incorrectness, he's policing for what is not on-topic. Maybe you should take Christina's course, Puddin. For all I know, her course sucks, but she seems nice enough. And who knows? You might learn something. -Alan Tucker-

1996-06-06 00:00:00 - Re: tonight's episode - (David Filip <grimlock@u.washington.edu>)


On 6 Jun 1996, PuddinTame wrote: > In article <4p258g$7te@news2.h1.usa.pipeline.com>, > alantuck@usa.pipeline.com(Alan Tucker) writes: > > >But really, what in the heck is "AOL & You"? > > Aren't we getting slightly off topic here? > Not on this newsgroup. Never. No way.

1996-06-06 00:00:00 - Re: tonight's episode - (puddintame@aol.com)


In article <4p6du6$2gg@news2.h1.usa.pipeline.com>, alantuck@usa.pipeline.com(Alan Tucker) writes: >When he's not policing for political incorrectness, he's policing for what >is not on-topic. Maybe you should take Christina's course, Puddin. For >all I know, her course sucks, but she seems nice enough. And who knows? >You might learn something. I'll take that as a "yes" :) Now, now is the simple quesyion"Aren't we getting off topic here?" what you call "Policing?" Also, you're as-usual equating civility with "political correctness" once more amuses me. Speaking of civility and courses...If only we could enroll you in a course on manners...

1996-06-06 00:00:00 - Re: tonight's episode - (teachercc@aol.com)


Alan Tucker said... << When he's not policing for political incorrectness, he's policing for what is not on-topic. Maybe you should take Christina's course, Puddin. For all I know, her course sucks, but she seems nice enough. And who knows? You might learn something. >> ROFL, thanks -- I think? :) Anyway... covered AOL's access to the internet and proper net-etiquette two weeks ago in class. I would be more than happy to share the log with Puddin ;) Christina

1996-06-07 00:00:00 - Elvis Greenwood Live - (vic33@usa.pipeline.com)


(we join the Puddin Tame Telethon in progress; Elvis Greenwood is on stage.) but I .... can't .... help ... smoking cigars ... with .... youuuuuu (thunderous applause... standing ovation!!) Thank you. Thank you ladies and gennulmen. On Jun 06, 1996 06:13:56 in article <Re: tonight's episode>, 'puddintame@aol.com (PuddinTame)' wrote: >>But really, what in the heck is "AOL & You"? > >Aren't we getting slightly off topic here? Back in Tennessee, home of Graceland (thunderous applause!), it's a misdemeanor to post off-topic; but it's a FELONY to post an off-topic reply to an off-topic post. Jerry? (Jerry smooths back greasy greasy hair). Right, Elvis. Folks, the PT Telethon has been cancelled due to lack of interest; but we're still presenting our final guest, Elvis Greenwood, for your enjoyment. (Elvis flips up his collar)... right Jerry. I might go on over to IRC! Ha ha, just kidding. For my next number.... I'd like to present Vic33's sig: Vic33@usa.pipeline.com http://pwp.usa.pipeline.com/~vic33/ Contact me if you'd like a pay phone for your Portland area business. There is NO CHARGE. :-) I have so much RAM, I don't NEED a hard drive. (-:

1996-06-07 00:00:00 - Re: tonight's episode - (alantuck@usa.pipeline.com)


On Jun 06, 1996 22:25:34 in article <Re: tonight's episode>, 'puddintame@aol.com (PuddinTame)' wrote: >In article <4p6du6$2gg@news2.h1.usa.pipeline.com>, >alantuck@usa.pipeline.com(Alan Tucker) writes: > >>When he's not policing for political incorrectness, he's policing for >what >>is not on-topic. Maybe you should take Christina's course, Puddin. For >>all I know, her course sucks, but she seems nice enough. And who knows? >>You might learn something. puddintame@aol.com (PuddinTame)' wrote: >I'll take that as a "yes" :) > >Now, now is the simple quesyion"Aren't we getting off topic here?" what >you call "Policing?" > >Also, you're as-usual equating civility with "political correctness" once >more amuses me. > >Speaking of civility and courses...If only we could enroll you in a course >on manners... Christina??? You can take it from here, babe. You have a helluva project on your hands. Succeed, and I see an inspirational screenplay in our future. My script, your story. God speed. -Alan Tucker-

1996-06-10 00:00:00 - Re: tonight's episode ~o~ - (bar61947@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu)


Leah Starsky (starsk13@ix.netcom.com) wrote: : Now wait a minute... If the Organization wants the other set of : negatives, it would be so simple to just drug Tom up and get the hiding : place out of him. If they can implant memories and make people think : they're someone else, this would be a piece of cake. There has to be : more to it. I don't think that Gemini would be a deep cover agent if he didn't have great control over himself; I remember in Twin Peaks, Major Briggs saying that hypnosis was "useless" on him to discover what happened during his dissapearance because of special conditioning in the military. This is all, of course, if you accept Tom as the FBI agent. -- --reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away----- --science is not everything but science is very beautiful------------------- --it wasn't so very dry i can still feel the warm blood on my hands--------- ----------vote cthulhu in '96------------------------------black myron------

1996-06-11 00:00:00 - Re: tonight's episode ~o~ - (Chris Lonsberry <crl@norfolk.infi.net>)


> : Now wait a minute... If the Organization wants the other set of > : negatives, it would be so simple to just drug Tom up and get the hiding > : place out of him. If they can implant memories and make people think > : they're someone else, this would be a piece of cake. There has to be > : more to it. > > I don't think that Gemini would be a deep cover agent if he > didn't have great control over himself; I remember in Twin Peaks, Major > Briggs saying that hypnosis was "useless" on him to discover what > happened during his dissapearance because of special conditioning in the > military. > This is all, of course, if you accept Tom as the FBI agent. > I've come to accept that it's not *about* the negatives. They're just a prop the organization uses in it's real project... which *is* Tom Veil. Especially after we found out that they're not even the real negatives. Chris

1996-06-12 00:00:00 - Re: tonight's episode ~o~ - (ac375@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca)


Brett A Riley (bar61947@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu) wrote: : Leah Starsky (starsk13@ix.netcom.com) wrote: : : Now wait a minute... If the Organization wants the other set of : : negatives, it would be so simple to just drug Tom up and get the hiding : : place out of him. If they can implant memories and make people think : : they're someone else, this would be a piece of cake. There has to be : : more to it. : I don't think that Gemini would be a deep cover agent if he : didn't have great control over himself; I remember in Twin Peaks, Major : Briggs saying that hypnosis was "useless" on him to discover what : happened during his dissapearance because of special conditioning in the : military. : This is all, of course, if you accept Tom as the FBI agent. : -- : --reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away----- : --science is not everything but science is very beautiful------------------- : --it wasn't so very dry i can still feel the warm blood on my hands--------- : ----------vote cthulhu in '96------------------------------black myron------ Considering how much of what he originally thought was true actually WAS true what reason is there that any of this is true?