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1996-01-16 00:00:00 - New episode 1-16 - (sammis@ida.gps.caltech.edu)


Hello all! So, this is the new direction... So far so good! *SPOILERS* I very much appreciate the fact that we have no reason to trust the new source of information! This is a clever way to appease those who want the series to "go somewhere" and those of us (myself included) who like the uncertainty. Tom can make all the progress he likes, now; who's to say if it's real progress or just more of the same ambiguity... Nice job, Larry! There was one element of the show I disliked extremely, though. Did anyone else notice the terrible "shatter" effect on a transition? It seemed a bit too much like the spinning "Batman" transitions to me... Random Blather (more trying to deduce the overall plot on zero reliable evidence...) [NOTE: This does _not_ constitute story ideas. I waive all rights to ownership of the material below. I'M NOT GOING TO SUE ANYONE!!!] One possibility: "They" are trying to turn Tom into an assasin for "Them". Evidence: We don't know that this voice is actually not in the leadership of them. Notice that Tom wasn't interfered with when he was asking questions about the negatives or anything else, but the moment he expressed reluctance to kill, he was stopped. Tom shatters something (a window); since we've been linking shattering to "Them", this may indicate that Tom is now one of Them. The previous episodes could have been to send him into a state of deranged paranoia. Another: My old "dream/drugged state" idea New Evidence: The recurring "flashing" effect was the same as that used in the credits. What if he's being wheeled down a "hospital corridor" of some sort and the ceiling lights are flashing in his eyes periodically. Perhaps, for example, someone drugged his drink in his studio. He made it to the restaraunt before it really took effect... If the drug were some sort of residual, that would explain the differing tone of the episodes, with some almost normal (Father, or Bridges of Nowhere County) and some wildly surreal as he hit flashbacks (The Prisoner homage episode, for example, or the very end of It's Not such a Wonderful Life). I almost hope that it isn't just a conspiracy at this point... it would be a crying shame after all the strangeness so far. It would be a bit as if someone turned to Veil and said "It's exactly what you think..." On the other hand, at this point that might just tip Tom over the edge at this point... Sorry about the rambling; I was up till 5AM last night... Ian Sammis sammis@cco.caltech.edu PS At this point, if a flying saucer landed in front of Veil it wouldn't be too bad; I suspect that no-one would really believe it was aliens anyway. (Wow, a flying saucer! "They" have some really good aerospace engineers/Wow, Veil's really hallucinating now/ Aha! The whole thing is really just a virtual reality experience/...) :-)

1996-01-17 00:00:00 - Re: New episode 1-16 - (henneber@vub.ac.be)


Great hypotheses Ian, I really like them, : I very much appreciate the fact that we have no reason to trust the : new source of information! This is a clever way to appease those who : want the series to "go somewhere" and those of us (myself included) who like : the uncertainty. Tom can make all the progress he likes, now; who's to say : if it's real progress or just more of the same ambiguity... : Nice job, Larry! I hadn't seen it that way, but it rings true. : There was one element of the show I disliked extremely, though. Did anyone : else notice the terrible "shatter" effect on a transition? It seemed a bit : too much like the spinning "Batman" transitions to me... Watched it on my 3 meter projection screen. That transition was extremely impressing, and IMO added to the breathtaking suspense of the beginning of that episode. : One possibility: "They" are trying to turn Tom into an assasin for "Them". I always thought "THEIR" aim was to turn him into one of "Them", and that it would be using indirect ways... maybe leading him into thinking like "Them", and they might be succeeding. Intellectually, it would be one of the greatest series ever if they would win, but gradually, episode after episode, and we would only discover at the very end that he has been totally defeated, maybe because he's one of them now, maybe - a la "Prisoner" - because he has become "Number one" (an hypothesis that is definitely reinforced by the last dialogue lines in the last episode). Philippe Hennebert A

1996-01-23 00:00:00 - Re: New episode 1-16 - (puddintame@aol.com)


Ellen said, regarding "Contact": > (I don't want to call him Deep Throat; that would confuse him with the X-Files) Oh, is THAT where that name comes from... >2. Did any one else notice that "Contact" seemed very surprised when TV >mentioned that the woman was his wife? Yes, I noticed. "YOUR wife?" seemed to me the most interesting bit of dialogue in that episode...just as "not in the jugle" was in last night's episode. >3. There were two people watching from the window across the street during the >phone call. I think those were curious office workers gawking at the Nowhere Man film crew. It looked like it was filmed on an actual street.

1996-01-23 00:00:00 - Re: New episode 1-16 - (frisch1@mit.edu)


In article <4e0nl6$emr@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, thogek@alumnae.caltech.edu (Thogek) wrote: > Near the end, when the "Voice" > was talking from behind that spotlight, Veil was saying how he could > just leave the file behind and not look back, the spotlight seemed to > play across Veil's face twice, and both times, our view of Veil's face > went "negative" (i.e., looked like a photograh negative) for a moment. > Before the negative-pans, he looked a bit defiant, talked about turning > his back on the file and the "Voice". After, he'd stopped and was > staring back at the file... > > Maybe just somebody idea of a "cool effect", maybe something more...? I actually took this to be intentional, and I saw a hint of something in this. I thought that this was a clear indication that the "voice" was using some sort of hypnosis or mind control over Tom - which could be a hint as to how the organization has managed to control Alyson, etc. I think the show would be horrible if it turns out that they get Tom and can completely control him using this mind technique, unless Tom could somehow break free. Did anyone else get this impression from the ending of this episode? I asked my girlfriend, and she said that she thought it was just Tom's curiosity which brought him back...

1996-01-25 00:00:00 - Re: New episode 1-16 - (churritz@sd.cts.com)


In article <4e40k2$rn8@panix3.panix.com>, Jorge Oldan <echenagu@panix.com> wrote: >In <4dhhd9$ppr@rc1.vub.ac.be> henneber@vub.ac.be (Hennebert Philippe) writes: > > >>Intellectually, it would be one of the greatest series ever if they would win, >>but gradually, episode after episode, and we would only discover at the very >>end that he has been totally defeated, maybe because he's one of them now, >>maybe - a la "Prisoner" - because he has become "Number one" (an hypothesis >>that is definitely reinforced by the last dialogue lines in the last episode). > Speaking of which, did you notice what number he was on the boat? > Was I wrong, or was it 6? > all i can remember, was the name Pacfic explorer, or Pacfic something. where one the boat did you see the number? -skito -- here i am here i am waiting to hold churritz@cts.com This Mortal Coil -- you

1996-01-27 00:00:00 - Re: New episode 1-16 - (ellenlay@aol.com)


Ellen said, regarding "Contact": > (I don't want to call him Deep Throat; that would confuse him with the X-Files) Puddintame replied: > Oh, is THAT where that name comes from... Am I the only one old enough to remeber WaterGate? Wasn't the "leak" used by the Washing Post reporters code named _Deep_Throat_, after the movie? Am I hallucinatory memories? HELP! Ellen

1996-01-28 00:00:00 - Re: New episode 1-16 - (merilee@teleport.com)


In article <4ecufk$m3f@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, ellenlay@aol.com (EllenLay) wrote: > Ellen said, regarding "Contact": > > > (I don't want to call him Deep Throat; that would confuse him with the > X-Files) > Puddintame replied: > > Oh, is THAT where that name comes from... > > Am I the only one old enough to remeber WaterGate? > Wasn't the "leak" used by the Washing Post reporters code named > _Deep_Throat_, after the movie? Am I hallucinatory memories? > > HELP! > Ellen You are correct. Your preference for the historical source of the name _Deep Throat_ for an inside informer is not due to your age, but to your assumption that reality is more real than television. Think about it. -- Merilee D. Karr Portland, Oregon

1996-02-02 00:00:00 - Re: New episode 1-16 - (kim@shell.portal.com)


In article <4ecufk$m3f@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, EllenLay <ellenlay@aol.com> wrote: | | Am I the only one old enough to remeber WaterGate? | Wasn't the "leak" used by the Washing Post reporters code named | _Deep_Throat_, after the movie? Am I hallucinatory memories? You are correct, Ellen. And even now, neither Woodward nor Bernstein (the two Washington Post reporters who broke Watergate) has revealed just who "Deep Throat" really was (though one of them has promised to do so before he dies). The name has become somewhat generic for any highly-placed whistleblower; especially if they are in the government, and like to play covert games. However ... "Deep Throat" is also a movie (of a sort). Or so I have been told ... :-) /kim =========================================================================== Excuse me ... I have to go vacuum my files now ... ... before they magically show up on a coffee-table somewhere ...

1996-02-02 00:00:00 - Re: New episode 1-16 - (aexia@u.washington.edu)


>I think the show would be horrible if it turns out that they get Tom and >can completely control him using this mind technique, unless Tom could >somehow break free. I think it would be kind of freaky that the type of mind control is done in such a way that it's not "I have this strange compulsion to kill you" type contrl but where the subject actually thinks killing you would be the natural course of action for him to take. Imagine Tom slowly coming to the realization that all the time he THOUGHT he was in complete control of himself but was really having his strings tugged by someone in The Organization. It'd certainly make for a good episode ala The Spider Webb where you have the same kind of psychological helplessness(Tom feeling as if he every move was anticipated and acccounted for)... Tom being changed in a way to think just like The Organization... -- Micheal Keane(aexia@u.washington.edu) Get the Nowhere Man FAQ at my webpage: http://weber.u.washington.edu/~aexia SAVE MST3K -- WATCH DOCTOR WHO ON FOX IN MAY!