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1996-05-06 00:00:00 - How did Larry know...??? (5/08/1996) - (dannyb@panix.com)


About 20 minutes into the show, Larry said "it's better than being stuck in a closet". But asfaik, Thomas Vail never described Larry's death in that detail. Alas, I didn';t videotape it so can't double check. But does this ring a bell with anyone else? -- _____________________________________________________ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com

1996-05-07 00:00:00 - Re: How did Larry know...??? (5/08/1996) - ("Jason N. Joseph" <73311.213@compuserve.com>)


Actually, Larry did know. There are several references in their conversation that TV had told Larry much (if not all) of the story. On the whole, a pretty decent episode -- much more like the NWM we'd come to know and love than the travesty that was "Calaway". Unfortunately, this seems to solidify a trend that's been slowly building -- that NWM is slowly becoming more and more episodic, without necessarily much continuity between episodes -- what the hell happened to the certainty with which TV stated at the end of (gag) "Calaway", about having his memories removed electrochemically, blah blah blah, and his "clock was ticking"?! Apparently Disney/UPN is more concerned with roping in new viewers than holding true to the original concept of the show, and even to what was established in previous episodes. OK, I'm ranting. Sorry, guys. Perhaps I'm just taking out my anger & disappointment that Larry's leaving by over-critiquing. Maybe I shouldn't be so analytical. Maybe I shouldn't take television this seriously. Maybe I should get a date. jj 73311.213@compuserve.com

1996-05-07 00:00:00 - Re: How did Larry know...??? (5/08/1996) - (cpj1@winternet.com)


danny burstein (dannyb@panix.com) wrote: : About 20 minutes into the show, Larry said "it's better than being stuck : in a closet". : But asfaik, Thomas Vail never described Larry's death in that detail. : Alas, I didn';t videotape it so can't double check. But does this ring a : bell with anyone else? You're right. TV never mentioned Larry being in the closet. (But maybe Larry's being in the closet was more of a private matter - heh heh) Other than that, this Fake Larry sure did pull the wool over Tom's eyes. Do you think this was a "Double Agent Larry", or "Larry Who Was Kidnapped And Brainwashed For Quite Some Time"? (Of course after seeing "Calaway" they could be one in the same I suppose). And just out of curiosity, does anyone out there have an opinion of Alyson? (of course you do). I'm still waffeling myself. Choose: 1. Alyson is really good, but forced to do bad things. 2. Alyson is bad, and enjoys doing bad things. 3. Alyson is really Alanis Morrissette (I'm not the only one who noticed the resemblance). -- ----------------------- Christopher P. Josephes ---------------------------- Email | mailto:cpj1@winternet.com Web | http://www.winternet.com/~cpj1/

1996-05-07 00:00:00 - Re: How did Larry know...??? (5/08/1996) - ("Ellen B. Layendecker" <ellenlay@mediacity.com>)


danny burstein wrote: > > About 20 minutes into the show, Larry said "it's better than being stuck > in a closet". > > But asfaik, Thomas Vail never described Larry's death in that detail. > > Alas, I didn';t videotape it so can't double check. But does this ring a > bell with anyone else? I noticed this at the time. But then, TV didn't really explain anything to Larry "on the air". We kind of come in on the end of the conversation. I just assumed that TV explained it to him. The one that really convinced me Larry was a hoax was the fact that the burgler just had time to switch the negatives. Although I cannot believe They didn't search Larry's safe, it is just possible that Larry was being monitored, and They had to scramble to get the burgler in there before TV & Larry got there. On the other hand, the pictures could have been planted before, and the burgler just to convince TV that they didn't know. Still not sure who to trust, Ellen

1996-05-07 00:00:00 - Re: How did Larry know...??? (5/08/1996) - (jjm051@anima.nums.nwu.edu)


In article <318EFA83.9F9@mediacity.com>, ellenlay@mediacity.com says... > >danny burstein wrote: >> >> About 20 minutes into the show, Larry said "it's better than being stuck >> in a closet". >> >> But asfaik, Thomas Vail never described Larry's death in that detail. >> >> Alas, I didn';t videotape it so can't double check. But does this ring a >> bell with anyone else? > > >I noticed this at the time. But then, TV didn't really explain anything to Larry "on the >air". We kind of come in on the end of the conversation. I just assumed that TV >explained it to him. > >The one that really convinced me Larry was a hoax was the fact that the burgler just >had time to switch the negatives. Although I cannot believe They didn't search >Larry's safe, it is just possible that Larry was being monitored, and They had to >scramble to get the burgler in there before TV & Larry got there. > >On the other hand, the pictures could have been planted before, and the burgler just >to convince TV that they didn't know. >Still not sure who to trust, >Ellen My question is this, why put the negatives of Tom in a straightjacket into the safe. It just confirmed that Tom was right. It is not something the organization would do. I'm under the assumption that that was the real Larry...though there may be more to it than that. This probably is a little far fetched, though I've seen similar strings previously in the newsgroup, but maybe there are two vying organizations. Why else would someone plant negatives of TV in a straightjacket? It only served to convince Tom that he wasn't imagining the whole thing. It was a pretty confusing episode overall. As for Larry, he seemed to be dropping a bunch of hints..I'm your friend, etc etc. Maybe this Larry was working for the competing group and gave TV the photos ... Okay I'm babbling now. Anyway, just a portion of my two cents...a confusing, sort of babbling portion, but a portion nonetheless. -- Jim Macchione Northwestern University, Evanston, IL. USA jjm051@anima.nums.nwu.edu

1996-05-07 00:00:00 - Re: How did Larry know...??? (5/08/1996) - (jjm051@anima.nums.nwu.edu)


In article <4mmlu1$4bt@blackice.winternet.com>, cpj1@winternet.com says... > >danny burstein (dannyb@panix.com) wrote: >: About 20 minutes into the show, Larry said "it's better than being stuck >: in a closet". > >: But asfaik, Thomas Vail never described Larry's death in that detail. > >: Alas, I didn';t videotape it so can't double check. But does this ring a >: bell with anyone else? > >You're right. TV never mentioned Larry being in the closet. (But maybe >Larry's being in the closet was more of a private matter - heh heh) > >Other than that, this Fake Larry sure did pull the wool over Tom's eyes. >Do you think this was a "Double Agent Larry", or "Larry Who Was Kidnapped >And Brainwashed For Quite Some Time"? (Of course after seeing "Calaway" >they could be one in the same I suppose). I think it was the real Larry who was either brainwashed or his normal old self. That would be the ultimate way to break TV's spirit. If Larry, his best friend, was actually his best friend. Anyway... > >And just out of curiosity, does anyone out there have an opinion of >Alyson? (of course you do). I'm still waffeling myself. > >Choose: >1. Alyson is really good, but forced to do bad things. >2. Alyson is bad, and enjoys doing bad things. >3. Alyson is really Alanis Morrissette (I'm not the only one who noticed >the resemblance). > I think Alanis is far more attractive, but yes, I noticed the resemblance last night (I think it's the lips and big mouth). As for her behavior...I was theorizing a couple of things. 1) She has been involved since the beginning and is a higher-up in the org, 2) her inability to kill TV tells me that maybe she has been the same person all along..but MAN is she wacko. >-- >----------------------- Christopher P. Josephes ---------------------------- >Email | mailto:cpj1@winternet.com >Web | http://www.winternet.com/~cpj1/ -- Jim Macchione Northwestern University, Evanston, IL. USA jjm051@anima.nums.nwu.edu

1996-05-07 00:00:00 - Re: How did Larry know...??? (5/08/1996) - (xenos@teleport.com)


In article <4mmb1o$mr@panix4.panix.com>, dannyb@panix.com (danny burstein) wrote: > About 20 minutes into the show, Larry said "it's better than being stuck > in a closet". > > But asfaik, Thomas Vail never described Larry's death in that detail. > > Alas, I didn';t videotape it so can't double check. But does this ring a > bell with anyone else? > My husband and I heard that also, we found that odd.. Shelli -- xenos@teleport.com

1996-05-07 00:00:00 - Re: How did Larry know...??? (5/08/1996) - (Erika <clncopy@teleport.com>)


First of all, I believe it was the real Larry. We don't know whether TV ever told Larry about being stuffed in a closet. TV seemed to share about Larry being dead in the form of a flashback, so he may have said stuffed in a closet. Lord knows we saw that part often enough. If the first Larry wasn't the real Larry but just a stand-in dead guy, and the second Larry was the real Larry, then they probably killed him because he was supposed to make TV believe that it was all a nighmare, but since he wasn't cooperating, off with his head, in a matter of speaking. The bit about being stuffed in a closet is the only thing, really, to make us believe the second Larry was fake or re-programmed, so, based on the lack of further evidence, I'd have to say the second Larry was the real Larry, although he may not necessarily be the real dead Larry. We may see him again soon. And, I'm afraid, Alyson is really bad, although I was holding out for the Christmas Alyson to have been a fake Alyson. But now that she's at their old house and everything, she has to be real and bad. I think TV is the only person on the show--on the earth?--who could hold out as long as he has, and that Alyson is just wimpy. She probably knows exactly why they want the picture and so she knows what's at stake. She's been convinced, but she wasn't always evil. I don't think she's Wacko. I just think she's good at it. As soon as Tom took that photo, THEY probably got to Alyson and that's the end of that. She's probably been evil for a long time now. At the end when he said something like "Truth is the only way he'll get home," I wondered, so, TV, exactly where or what is home, now. I mean, you've been there--they're all against you!

1996-05-07 00:00:00 - Re: How did Larry know...??? (5/08/1996) - (puddintame@aol.com)


In article <318EFA83.9F9@mediacity.com>, "Ellen B. Layendecker" <ellenlay@mediacity.com> writes: >The one that really convinced me Larry was a hoax was the fact that the >burgler just >had time to switch the negatives. Woah, wait a minute, Tom seemed convinced that this Larry was the real McCoy... The fact that he was ultimately killed off seems to confirm this. Remember he was the one who kept telling Tom NOT to play into the organization's hands.

1996-05-07 00:00:00 - Re: How did Larry know...??? (5/08/1996) - (SpoonMan01@gnn.com)


In article <318EFA83.9F9@mediacity.com> Ellen B. Layendecker wrote: >Date: Tue, 07 May 1996 00:23:47 -0700 >From: "Ellen B. Layendecker" <ellenlay@mediacity.com> >Newsgroups: alt.tv.nowhere-man >Subject: Re: How did Larry know...??? (5/08/1996) > >danny burstein wrote: >> >> About 20 minutes into the show, Larry said "it's better than being stuck >> in a closet". >> The word he used was "stuffed". TV never told Larry he found found Larry *stuffed* in a closet--Larry knew and used the word stuffed. Ergo he was not the real Larry. ________________________________________________________________ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

1996-05-08 00:00:00 - Re: How did Larry know...??? (5/08/1996) - (kromkam@ecf.toronto.edu)


In article <4mmlu1$4bt@blackice.winternet.com>, Chris Josephes <cpj1@winternet.com> wrote: >danny burstein (dannyb@panix.com) wrote: >: About 20 minutes into the show, Larry said "it's better than being stuck >: in a closet". > >: But asfaik, Thomas Vail never described Larry's death in that detail. > >: Alas, I didn';t videotape it so can't double check. But does this ring a >: bell with anyone else? > >You're right. TV never mentioned Larry being in the closet. (But maybe >Larry's being in the closet was more of a private matter - heh heh) > it's conceivable that TV mentioned this 'off camera', so to speak. >Other than that, this Fake Larry sure did pull the wool over Tom's eyes. >Do you think this was a "Double Agent Larry", or "Larry Who Was Kidnapped >And Brainwashed For Quite Some Time"? (Of course after seeing "Calaway" >they could be one in the same I suppose). >a Or maybe he's the real one... :-) >And just out of curiosity, does anyone out there have an opinion of >Alyson? (of course you do). I'm still waffeling myself. > >Choose: >1. Alyson is really good, but forced to do bad things. >2. Alyson is bad, and enjoys doing bad things. >3. Alyson is really Alanis Morrissette (I'm not the only one who noticed >the resemblance). > I'd still have to say #1. Perhaps 'They' have made it very clear that she is to be extremely convincing. They are most likely watching her, and her admission at the end could be seen as a failure (with not so nice consequences). >-- >----------------------- Christopher P. Josephes ---------------------------- >Email | mailto:cpj1@winternet.com >Web | http://www.winternet.com/~cpj1/ Andy K.

1996-05-08 00:00:00 - Re: How did Larry know...??? (5/08/1996) - (bjmusser@eos.ncsu.edu)


Well, it mentioned that Tom told Larry what had happened in his "nightmare" so Tom probably told him how he found him dead. Course, still doesn't explain the time problem. If this one is in May, how did we have one take place in December if Tom was "in a coma" for 3 months. I thought he got erased in August or September. If that's true, where was Larry all the rest of the time? Barbara

1996-05-08 00:00:00 - Re: How did Larry know...??? (5/08/1996) - (David Kotschessa <dave@prolog.net>)


On Tue, 7 May 1996, Erika wrote: > At the end when he said something like "Truth is the only way he'll get > home," I wondered, so, TV, exactly where or what is home, now. I mean, > you've been there--they're all against you! > > Yes it's quite depressing isn't it? I think truth is all Tom has really. It's the only reason he's keeping those negatives.... He needs to find the truth. He could simply get them up, and live a "normal" life, but it would be a fake life... Tom won't accept that.

1996-05-08 00:00:00 - Re: How did Larry know...??? (5/08/1996) - (alantuck@usa.pipeline.com)


On May 07, 1996 03:50:38 in article <Re: How did Larry know...??? (5/08/1996)>, '"Jason N. Joseph" <73311.213@compuserve.com>' wrote: >On the whole, a pretty decent episode -- much more like the NWM we'd come >to know and love than the travesty that was "Calaway". Unfortunately, this >seems to solidify a trend that's been slowly building -- that NWM is >slowly becoming more and more episodic, without necessarily much continuity >between episodes -- what the hell happened to the certainty with which TV >stated at the end of (gag) "Calaway", about having his memories removed >electrochemically, blah blah blah, and his "clock was ticking"?! Apparently >Disney/UPN is more concerned with roping in new viewers than holding true >to the original concept of the show, and even to what was established in >previous episodes. > >OK, I'm ranting. Sorry, guys. Perhaps I'm just taking out my anger & >disappointment that Larry's leaving by over-critiquing. Maybe I shouldn't >be so analytical. Actually, I think you hit the nail on the head. Other than the pilot and "Hidden Agenda", every other episode has been permanently swept under the rug. Bring the new viewer up to speed be way of flashback and verbal references, and point the audience in the new direction with that ridiculous voiceover at the end of "Calaway". Oh, Oh. Tom is ticking. Or is that just the sound of higher ratings? Probably both. -Alan Tucker-

1996-05-09 00:00:00 - Re: How did Larry know...??? (5/08/1996) - (lmanning@jax-inter.net)


puddintame@aol.com (PuddinTame) wrote: >McCoy... The fact that he was ultimately killed off seems to confirm this. >Remember he was the one who kept telling Tom NOT to play into the >organization's hands. Larry who?? Laurie Dean Manning

1996-05-09 00:00:00 - Re: How did Larry know...??? (5/08/1996) - (vic33@usa.pipeline.com)


>danny burstein wrote: >> >> About 20 minutes into the show, Larry said "it's better than being stuck in a closet". >> --->>> Larry mentioned being in the closet twice (the above quote was the second time. The first time was on the boardwalk, he said something like "You saw me dead, stuffed in a closet..." Either Tom explained this to him "off-camera", or Larry slipped up twice and Tom never noticed. (Tom didn't seem to show any surprise at these remarks.) Vic33@usa.pipeline.com http://pwp.usa.pipeline.com/~vic33/ **** FIGHT CENSORSHIP ON THE INTERNET**** ---->>>> WATCH UPNs "NOWHERE MAN"!! <<<<----

1996-05-10 00:00:00 - Re: How did Larry know...??? (5/08/1996) - (puddintame@aol.com)


In article <4mtiuj$1oe@alterdial.UU.NET>, lmanning@jax-inter.net (Laurie Dean Manning) writes: >Larry who?? "Levy" :)

1996-05-12 00:00:00 - Re: How did Larry know...??? (5/08/1996) - (CJWOODS@msn.com)


Perhaps (in both cases) the "real Larry" did not die. This show is full of twists and elaborate hoaxes. It looks like this is a game of good-cop-bad-cop. Larry could be a conspirator sent to gain Tom's trust only to hurt him later. Imagine, you thought your best friend was dead. He turns out to be alive. He regains your trust. You confide in him. He gives you the help and moral support you need. He is then "murdered" - again. You would be totally devastated and demoralized. That seems to be the purpose in all the attacks against Tom. They are trying to demoralize him so he would just give up! This is very inefficient! Send someone to gain his trust, when he shows you the negative (and Tom has been known to do this from time to time) Shoot him dead and take the negative! (I guess the *real* place the national debt is going is into the *conspiracy's* budget...)

1996-05-13 00:00:00 - Re: How did Larry know...??? (5/08/1996) - (adamsan@bu.edu)


Erika (clncopy@teleport.com) wrote: : First of all, I believe it was the real Larry... If the first : Larry wasn't the real Larry but just a stand-in dead guy, and the : second Larry was the real Larry, then they probably killed him : because he was supposed to make TV believe that it was all a : nighmare, but since he wasn't cooperating, off with his head, in a : matter of speaking. Not having seen the episode yet, I know little aside from what I've read online, but what if it was a nightmare? No doubt this entire running and having your mind altered thing is paying its toll on Tom, in the beginning of "Callaway" he has that waking nightmare that "the rules have changed...", probably one of his greatest fears. being useless to them. Now he has a messed-up dream, he wants to return home, and that's how it starts, but he has gotten to enjoy, or to need to be on the run so he makes the situation out to be another of their plots. Which part of the dream is his real fantasy, which part is a nightmare? Larry comes back, Larry is killed again (the same way? I know Tom goes to the shower and finds the robe hanging, then goes to the closet, then what?). He isn't sure if Larry could be trusted, no one could be trusted from his past, he is running from it. : And, I'm afraid, Alyson is really bad, although I was holding out for the : Christmas Alyson to have been a fake Alyson. But now that she's at their : old house and everything, she has to be real and bad. I think TV is the : only person on the show--on the earth?--who could hold out as long as he : has, and that Alyson is just wimpy. She probably knows exactly why they : want the picture and so she knows what's at stake. She's been convinced, : but she wasn't always evil. I don't think she's Wacko. I just think she's : good at it. As soon as Tom took that photo, THEY probably got to Alyson : and that's the end of that. She's probably been evil for a long time now. Well according to the readings from my Alyson-o-meter, I'm hedging to the side of believing that Alyson is "good". (the general principal behind this is not to believe whatever they want us to believe about Alyson.) I also believe that the Alyson in the christmas episode is the real one, I don't know how to explain the card at the end with her signature though. She didn't do anything evil, evil except disappear and leave that message. Hmm, it's not the first time we've seen someone from Tom's past who is up and running about who shouldn't have been up and running about. Tom's mother was in the christmas episode, though she had a stroke and was bedridden sometime before AbFab -erm Ab0. Of course a recovery wouldn't be that impossible, but a recovery from death is quite an achievement, perhaps this belongs to the realm of "Lazarus Man" (btw, how has that been, haven't been following it). How are they doing this? Duplicates, hmm, I don't want to think that it's that simple, but they do seem to be capible of it. For me to really accept that it would have to be central to what is going on, not mearly an excuse to explain what is going on. The whole crisis that the "good" Alyson would have to be going through to be forced to betray Tom would probably be as riveting a story as what we've been following in NwM. There's so much that we don't see and don't know about that to say Alyson is evil (or that anyone is evil) based on the brief moments that we catch what someone does or says is a mistake, it's the sort of thing that can lead to something like a rediculous flame-war. Interesting and his dog Spot, dublicates? Anyone remember the series of graphic novels from Marvel/Epic, "Nick Fury vs. SHIELD"?