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1996-01-25 00:00:00 - "Heart of Darkness" thoughts - (jblum@access2.digex.net)


Am I the only one out there who ended up disappointed in the episode? I absolutely adored the first two thirds. The combination of "The Prisoner" and "Apocalypse Now" (and the original short story) was absolutely priceless -- and I loved the new side to Veil, showing him playing games right back instead of just being constantly manipulated. If anything, this episode reminded me most of the Prisoner episode "Hammer Into Anvil", in which Number Six targets a sadistic Number Two and slowly drives him out of his skull. (The scene at the beginning with Veil assuming the role of the Guardsman, and the bit with the candle both struck me as wonderfully Sixish.) I was all set for a glorious final confrontation in which Veil manages to set the Colonel and his aides at each others' throats, and having their own paranoia destroy them. But then... nothing. The story takes a sharp left turn from "Heart of Darkness" into "The Most Dangerous Game". Veil locks up the Colonel and leaves, without even twisting the knife about how the Colonel destroyed himself. The Colonel remains an unbroken figure, at least in appearance, right up to his final scene -- dammit, I wanted to see him reduced to the insecure paranoid whimpering wreck that so clearly laid underneath his facade. And then it's just running and jumping up to the end of the episode -- and with a complete non-resolution of what happened to Number Five. This could have been an absolutely brilliant hour of TV, the likes of which I haven't seen on an American network in years... but then it fell apart. Oh well. It was still head and shoulders above most of the other stuff I watch... Regards, Jon Blum ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "All this time you two thought you were playing some twisted game of chess... when it was just me playing solitaire!" D O C T O R W H O : T I M E R I F T

1996-01-28 00:00:00 - Re: "Heart of Darkness" thoughts - (churritz@sd.cts.com)


In article <4e845h$113@access2.digex.net>, Jonathan Blum <jblum@access2.digex.net> wrote: >This could have been an absolutely brilliant hour of TV, the likes of >which I haven't seen on an American network in years... but then it fell >apart. well, if you want NWM to copy the Prisoner you can take this attitude; everything you say is true. But there was already brilliant work done with the Prisoner and if NWM copied it, not only would it NOT be brilliant, it would lead to lawsuits, and i'm sure nobody wants that, well not many people would. I absolutley love all the Prisoner parallels so far, and i hope there are many more, but I do not want to see a monkey as the head of Them. -skito -- here i am here i am waiting to hold churritz@cts.com This Mortal Coil -- you

1996-01-28 00:00:00 - Re: "Heart of Darkness" thoughts - (jblum@access2.digex.net)


In article <4egao5$bcb@news3.cts.com>, )Skito( <churritz@sd.cts.com> wrote: >In article <4e845h$113@access2.digex.net>, >Jonathan Blum <jblum@access2.digex.net> wrote: >>This could have been an absolutely brilliant hour of TV, the likes of >>which I haven't seen on an American network in years... but then it fell >>apart. >well, if you want NWM to copy the Prisoner you can take this attitude; >everything you say is true. But there was already brilliant work done with >the Prisoner and if NWM copied it, not only would it NOT be brilliant, >it would lead to lawsuits, and i'm sure nobody wants that, well not many >people would. It's not so much the fact that it diverged from the "Prisoner" parallel that caused problems, but what it diverged *to*. Instead of mind-games and psychological warfare -- the interesting part -- we got a lot of running and jumping instead. There wasn't any _thought_ behind what Veil did in the last ten or fifteen minutes, as opposed to all the intelligent actions and clever plotting he came up with up to that point. The Prisoner parallels in all that was just the icing on the cake. :-) Regards, Jon Blum ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "All this time you two thought you were playing some twisted game of chess... when it was just me playing solitaire!" D O C T O R W H O : T I M E R I F T

1996-01-29 00:00:00 - Re: "Heart of Darkness" thoughts - (porkmatzoh@usa.pipeline.com)


On Jan 28, 1996 20:51:13 in article <Re: "Heart of Darkness" thoughts>, 'jblum@access2.digex.net (Jonathan Blum)' wrote: >In article <4egao5$bcb@news3.cts.com>, )Skito( <churritz@sd.cts.com> wrote: >>In article <4e845h$113@access2.digex.net>, >>Jonathan Blum <jblum@access2.digex.net> wrote: >>>This could have been an absolutely brilliant hour of TV, the likes of >>>which I haven't seen on an American network in years... but then it fell >>>apart. > >>well, if you want NWM to copy the Prisoner you can take this attitude; >>everything you say is true. But there was already brilliant work done with >>the Prisoner and if NWM copied it, not only would it NOT be brilliant, >>it would lead to lawsuits, and i'm sure nobody wants that, well not many >>people would. =============================== Uh, although I agree with you that copying an idea isn't all that creative, your reasoning is off the mark. If Hollywood people could sue when they had their ideas ripped off, then "Die Hard" clones would be sued every other day. Not to mention "Seinfeld" clones, which begat "Friends" clones, which begat as yet unknown clones, ad nauseum. AJ Tucker porkmatzoh@usa.pipeline.com