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1999-05-08 00:00:00 - Ripper...Ruppenthal's poorest ep - (stoodin101@aol.com)


After the brilliant, 4 star JOSH and the well-written, creepy, but unoriginal MONSTER (3 stars), I was at least expecting a _good_ ep tonight. For my money, RIPPER is the most mediocre of the three Ruppenthal OLs. My main problem with it is that it plays as if it was written by someone who did only the most perfunctory research on the Jack The Ripper case. The ending, therefore, is totally unacceptable to anyone who _knows_ history, who _knows_ that Jack was never captured. On a secondary note, the story went for the wrong ending. After telling us all about the desperate need for TRUTH through the Control Voice opening, and then after the Inspector giving us a talk about TRUTH when the Lady Whatzername tries to bribe him (that is the best written moment in the script, too), in the end we find that anyone who messes with TRUTH is gonna end up in an asylum while his girl gets murdered by the boogyman. This is one where both history and morality indicate that Jack should have destroyed the fiend, probably in some scientific/electrical fashion, and that no one but Jack and his lady (and maybe the Inspector) should ever know what was really going on. Ruppenthal violates both historical and moral requirements, and so the show falls flat. I wasn't too happy with the monster, either. I think it was better when it was Redjak on that ancient Star Trek episode. In the end, RIPPER wasn't absolutely horrible, just extremely mediocre. 2 stars. Next week --- the hundredth episode, framed by Sandkings (3 and a half star), Human Operators (4 star) and Valerie 23 (3 star). Pretty heady company; I hope Egan/Azzopardi/Wincenty were up to the challenge of making TRIBUNAL worthy of such. " Of course you will pooh-pooh whatever's fresh and new, and declare it's crude and mean, for art stopped short in the cultivated court of the empress Josephine." --- W.S. Gilbert

1999-05-08 00:00:00 - Spoilers--Re: Ripper...Ruppenthal's poorest ep - (pwinter@best.com)


Spoilers for "Ripper" ahead..... In article <19990508004712.06928.00001115@ng-cb1.aol.com>, StoOdin101 <stoodin101@aol.com> wrote: >RIPPER is the most mediocre of the three Ruppenthal OLs. My main problem with >it is that it plays as if it was written by someone who did only the most >perfunctory research on the Jack The Ripper case. The ending, therefore, is >totally unacceptable to anyone who _knows_ history, who _knows_ that Jack was >never captured. That's an overly harsh comment. This is The Outer Limits, after all, not Biography. :-) It's perfectly conceivable that Chris Ruppenthal knows all the facts about Jack the Ripper and simply chose to write his story with a different ending. I doubt that it's historically accurate that Jack the Ripper was an alien entity, either. ;-) But that modification of the facts is perfectly acceptable for this show --just as it was for Star Trek 30 years ago. > This is one where both history >and morality indicate that Jack should have destroyed the fiend, probably in >some scientific/electrical fashion, and that no one but Jack and his lady (and >maybe the Inspector) should ever know what was really going on. But the ending we saw--with an innocent man locked up in an asylum-- had much more emotional power. >In the end, RIPPER wasn't absolutely horrible, just extremely mediocre. I had a very different reaction. Good story, very good cast. Patty ========== patty@wintertime.com ======= Sunnyvale, Calif. ============= Canadian TV dramas information and links now available at www.wintertime.com ================================ N6BIS ================================

1999-05-09 00:00:00 - Re: Spoilers--Re: Ripper...Ruppenthal's poorest ep - (stoodin101@aol.com)


SPOILERS BELOW 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 >I had a very different reaction. Good story, very good cast. > > Different shocks for different Morlocks, as it were. I thought it bordered on awful, though the cast was fine. I _will_ say that Azzopardi/Wincenty sure made it _look_ nice. >That's an overly harsh comment. This is The Outer Limits, after all, >not Biography. :-) Overly harsh or no, my willing suspension of disbelief goes out the window when I see stories that aren't set in an alternate universe and pay no attention to historical/scientific facts. Could you accept a teevee movie where the two Littleton maniacs are stopped by a policeman and brought to justice? I could buy the doctor's "Tricorder Mark I" better than I could his fate, in this case. > I doubt that it's historically >accurate that Jack the Ripper was an alien entity, either. ;-) But >that modification of the facts is perfectly acceptable for this show >--just as it was for Star Trek 30 years ago. Star Trek's version was set on another planet, centuries after Rayjak (or "Red Jack", a real nickname of the Ripper) had done its damage on earth. And Robert Bloch, who wrote more than one Ripper story in his day, knew the facts of its "earth rampage" and played the game within them. ( When the OL monster jumped out of the first woman into the second one, we all said "Well, at least it doesn't have a _computer_ to jump into this time" and it was called Rayjak among the audience for the rest of the ep.) Glad you enjoyed the ep; I just feel like it could have been a lot better. Especially coming from the same writer who did JOSH, which is probably one of my top 10 eps, and MONSTER. " Of course you will pooh-pooh whatever's fresh and new, and declare it's crude and mean, for art stopped short in the cultivated court of the empress Josephine." --- W.S. Gilbert

1999-05-14 00:00:00 - Re: Ripper...Ruppenthal's poorest ep - (midnight_runner@my-dejanews.com)


Do you have reviews and ratings for every episode? In article <19990508004712.06928.00001115@ng-cb1.aol.com>, stoodin101@aol.com (StoOdin101) wrote: > After the brilliant, 4 star JOSH and the well-written, creepy, but unoriginal > MONSTER (3 stars), I was at least expecting a _good_ ep tonight. For my money, > RIPPER is the most mediocre of the three Ruppenthal OLs. My main problem with > it is that it plays as if it was written by someone who did only the most > perfunctory research on the Jack The Ripper case. The ending, therefore, is > totally unacceptable to anyone who _knows_ history, who _knows_ that Jack was > never captured. > > On a secondary note, the story went for the wrong ending. After telling us all > about the desperate need for TRUTH through the Control Voice opening, and then > after the Inspector giving us a talk about TRUTH when the Lady Whatzername > tries to bribe him (that is the best written moment in the script, too), in the > end we find that anyone who messes with TRUTH is gonna end up in an asylum > while his girl gets murdered by the boogyman. This is one where both history > and morality indicate that Jack should have destroyed the fiend, probably in > some scientific/electrical fashion, and that no one but Jack and his lady (and > maybe the Inspector) should ever know what was really going on. Ruppenthal > violates both historical and moral requirements, and so the show falls flat. > I wasn't too happy with the monster, either. I think it was better when it was > Redjak on that ancient Star Trek episode. > In the end, RIPPER wasn't absolutely horrible, just extremely mediocre. 2 > stars. > > Next week --- the hundredth episode, framed by Sandkings (3 and a half star), > Human Operators (4 star) and Valerie 23 (3 star). Pretty heady company; I hope > Egan/Azzopardi/Wincenty were up to the challenge of making TRIBUNAL worthy of > such. > > " Of course you will pooh-pooh whatever's fresh and new, and declare it's > crude and mean, for art stopped short in the cultivated court of the empress > Josephine." --- W.S. Gilbert > > --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.---

1999-05-14 00:00:00 - Re: Ripper...Ruppenthal's poorest ep - (stoodin101@aol.com)


>Do you have reviews and ratings for every episode? No, only in my head. I do have a CINEFANTASTIQUE ish with a very comprehensive look at the new series, written by the well-known sf/fantasy reporter Frank Garcia (I'm sure you've seen his byline in the various sf mags). It has reviews and ratings for the first three seasons, and I am pretty much in agreement with those ratings. There are a few places where FG and I differ, but on the whole one might almost think it was a collaborative effort! Waiting for TRIBUNAL, the 100th episode, tonight....looks like it should be a good one (written by Egan, directed by Azzopardi). I wonder if, in thirty years, people will speak of Egan and Azzopardi and Wincenty in the same way OL fans speak of Stefano and Oswald and Hall today. TRIBUNAL has some heavy competition this season in THE HUMAN OPERATORS and THE SHROUD (THO is airing again right after the 100th ep). It will have to be astonishing to match those two, especially the latter, with its fine script, great performances (I was especially impressed with Stiers' take on the mad minister, which came off a million times better than other actors' previous efforts in that direction) and superlatively creepy direction by Gillard, who directed the very first new ep, SANDKINGS (also airing tonight, as well as the infamous Glassner ep VALERIE 23). " The one test of the really weird is just this -- whether or not there be excited in the reader a profound sense of dread, and of contact with unknown spheres and powers...." --- H.P. Lovecraft

1999-05-14 00:00:00 - Re: Ripper...Ruppenthal's poorest ep - (midnight_runner@my-dejanews.com)


Then I am curious, what were your opinions of the episode "The Balance of Nature". In article <19990514075843.12513.00000480@ng-cd1.aol.com>, stoodin101@aol.com (StoOdin101) wrote: > >Do you have reviews and ratings for every episode? > > No, only in my head. I do have a CINEFANTASTIQUE ish with a very comprehensive > look at the new series, written by the well-known sf/fantasy reporter Frank > Garcia (I'm sure you've seen his byline in the various sf mags). > It has reviews and ratings for the first three seasons, and I am pretty much in > agreement with those ratings. There are a few places where FG and I differ, but > on the whole one might almost think it was a collaborative effort! > > Waiting for TRIBUNAL, the 100th episode, tonight....looks like it should be a > good one (written by Egan, directed by Azzopardi). I wonder if, in thirty > years, people will speak of Egan and Azzopardi and Wincenty in the same way OL > fans speak of Stefano and Oswald and Hall today. > TRIBUNAL has some heavy competition this season in THE HUMAN OPERATORS and THE > SHROUD (THO is airing again right after the 100th ep). It will have to be > astonishing to match those two, especially the latter, with its fine script, > great performances (I was especially impressed with Stiers' take on the mad > minister, which came off a million times better than other actors' previous > efforts in that direction) and superlatively creepy direction by Gillard, who > directed the very first new ep, SANDKINGS (also airing tonight, as well as the > infamous Glassner ep VALERIE 23). > > " The one test of the really weird is just this -- whether or not there be > excited in the reader a profound sense of dread, and of contact with unknown > spheres and powers...." --- H.P. Lovecraft > > --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- ---Share what you know. Learn what you don't.---

1999-05-15 00:00:00 - Re: Ripper...Ruppenthal's poorest ep - (stoodin101@aol.com)


>Then I am curious, what were your opinions of the episode "The Balance >of Nature". Two and a half stars. It was an average OL. I was pleased to see yet another of the original OL stars return to the show after the "brief hiatus" of 30 years. I was impressed by the fact that the reversal process also erased memory, something that most shows using a similar plot never take into account. But as far as compelling drama went, it didn't strike me as anything special. It was just a good, solid but "minor" episode. " The one test of the really weird is just this -- whether or not there be excited in the reader a profound sense of dread, and of contact with unknown spheres and powers...." --- H.P. Lovecraft