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2000-03-05 00:00:00 - Harlan WILL NOT be at Outer Limits Festival Friday, March 10 at 7:00 p.m LA, CA - (Tracy <tracystyle@?NONETEXT?hotmail.com>)


Below is from http://harlanellison.com/news.htm 03/02/00 Harlan WILL NOT be at Outer Limits Festival Gonna be brief here, since HE asked me to get it out quickly: Many of you may have tickets or be planning to go to the William S. Paley Festival next Friday, March 10 honoring The Outer Limits. However, Joseph Stefano, the creator of the series, refused to go if Harlan's episode "Demon With A Glass Hand" was shown. The Festival tried many alternatives but finally agreed to his demand. Since this was the principal reason Robert Culp was coming, he backed out -- and since Harlan wrote the scratched episode AND had talked Robert into coming, he backed out as well. So you won't see either of them at the festival. Harlan apologizes to anyone who heard about this on Webderland or elsewhere. Please spread the word and let folks know! Thanks! The Museum of Television & Radio is holding the William S. Paley >Television >Festival at the DGA Theatre in LA over the next 2 weeks. One of the >seminars >sounds pretty interesting: > >Friday, March 10 at 7:00 p.m. >THE OUTER LIMITS >in Person: Robert Culp, Harlan Ellison, >Conrad Hall, Robert Justman, Martin Landau, >David Schow, Joseph Stefano

2000-03-05 00:00:00 - Re: Harlan WILL NOT be at Outer Limits Festival Friday, March 10 at 7:00 p.m LA, CA - (Jim Patterson <jrp32@NOSPAMBellsouth.net>)


On Sun, 5 Mar 2000 05:34:49 -0500, "Tracy" <tracystyle@?NONETEXT?hotmail.com> wrote: > Harlan apologizes Aw, c'mon. <G>

2000-03-05 00:00:00 - Re: Harlan WILL NOT be at Outer Limits Festival Friday, March 10 at 7:00 p.m LA, CA - (djohn37050@aol.com)


This is sad, sounds like some antipathy, Don Johnson

2000-03-05 00:00:00 - Re: Harlan WILL NOT be at Outer Limits Festival Friday, March 10 at 7:00 p.m LA, CA - (Nyarlathotep <nyarlathotep1@my-deja.com>)


In article <20000305105333.03532.00000373@ng-cm1.aol.com>, djohn37050@aol.com (DJohn37050) wrote: > This is sad, sounds like some antipathy, It's interesting -- I wish I knew the source of the antipathy. Let's keep in mind that Ellison has dismissed as first season original Outer Limits episodes as, e.g., "the usual monster crap." If _that_ is his take on those shows, he obviously didn't understand them. Ellison has also contended that the second season shows were, by and large, a huge improvement over the first season shows. This claim is ludicrous & completely untenable. There were maybe one or two tolerable shows in the second series, but they don't begin to approach the brilliance of the many exceptional first season shows. As far as I'm concerned, Ellison's contributions to The Outer Limits are absurdly overrated. "Demon with a Glass Hand" doesn't lay a glove, so to speak, on "Don't Open Till Doomesday" or "A Feasibility Study." Stefano's stories/writings FAR outclass Ellison's. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

2000-03-05 00:00:00 - Re: Harlan WILL NOT be at Outer Limits Festival Friday, March 10 at 7:00 p.m LA, CA - (Jim Patterson <jrp32@NOSPAMBellsouth.net>)


> Harlan apologizes Aw, c'mon. <G> On 05 Mar 2000 15:53:33 GMT, djohn37050@aol.com (DJohn37050) wrote: >This is sad, sounds like some antipathy, >Don Johnson Not for his work, which i think is of the highest calibre. The OL episode 'The Human Operators' is one of my favorites. However, i read the entire extended rant by Harlan against Gene Roddenberry in the White Wolf copy of 'The City on the Edge of Forever' and developed a distinct opinion of harlan the man as childish, churlish and curmudgeonly all at once. So I find the thought of harlan apologizing for anything as unimaginable.

2000-03-06 00:00:00 - Re: Harlan WILL NOT be at Outer Limits Festival Friday, March 10 at 7:00 p.m LA, CA - (stoodin101@aol.com)


>Ellison has also contended that the second season shows were, by >and large, a huge improvement over the first season shows. This claim >is ludicrous & completely untenable. You bet. 90% of the second season is virtually unwatchable. EXPANDING HUMAN. BEHOLD ECK. COUNTERWEIGHT. COLD HANDS WARM HEART. Horrible. >As far as I'm concerned, Ellison's contributions to The Outer >Limits are absurdly overrated. Ellison only did two stories. One, SOLDIER, was crippled by a rewrite on the third act. It would have been a lot more powerful if it had been filmed the way Ellison wrote it. DEMON WITH A GLASS HAND looks great, with Byron Haskin behind the camera, and it's a pretty good story --- but like most stories with a twist ending, it doesn't bear repeated watching. >Stefano's stories/writings FAR outclass Ellison's. No contest. They were the closest thing to Lovecraft that has ever been put on film, despite the fact that Stefano was not familiar with the great originator of Gothic SF. Even the overblown, flowery speeches were redolent of Lovecraft's baroque style. "The man that hath no music in himself, nor is not moved with concord of sweet sounds, is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils... Let no such man be trusted!" --- Shakespeare

2000-03-12 00:00:00 - Re: Harlan WILL NOT be at Outer Limits Festival Friday, March 10 at 7:00 p.m LA, CA - (jimvanhise@aol.comnojunk)


I'd be interested in know what happened at the Outer Limits event Friday night. I had tickets but canceled them after Stefano blackmailed the museum into dropping the showing of "Demon" or he wouldn't attend. I was one of many who requested refunds (I had bought 3 tickets for myself and friends). I've seen Stefano on OL panels before and he doesn't hold a candle to Ellison when it comes to public speaking. Strefano has pulled this stunt before. In 1984 I was at a convention in Anaheim which had scheduled an OL panel. Ellison was a guest at the same convention and Stefano refused to be on the panel if Ellison was, so Harlan bowed out as he had no interest in causing trouble. And now, 16 years later, Stefano pulls the same crap. As to Harlan's take on Roddenberry, if you've checked out the other books on Roddenberry you'll find that Harlan's experience was not unique. Roddenberry was an egotist at the least, and could be a monster at his worst. Roddenberry had numerous affairs in the 1960s when he was still married to his first wife. Actress Grace Lee Whitney (Yeoman Rand) revealed a couple years ago that in order to keep her job on Star Trek in the 1960s, Roddenberry made her perform a sex act on him--and she lost her job anyway. Nimoy held a grudge against Roddenberry for years over the way he was treated during the original series. For example, when Nimoy needed to get released early one day to attend a personal appearance, Roddenberry made it clear that he didn't feel that Nimoy was showing him enough respect. "You should bow down on your knees and call me master," and Roddenberry wasn't joking. Roddenberry was such a nuisance during the making of the first Star Trek movie (reported by many people), that Paramount gave him a title with no authority on the subsequent films. During the first season of Next Generation, he wanted Dorothy Fontana to do ghost writing for him because of the contract he had to do a certain amount of writing on the first season. When she refused because it was both unethical and a violation of the Guild contracts, Roddenberry became furious and claimed she was ungrateful and that she was nothing but a secretary before he gave her a break on Star Trek (in fact she'd sold several teleplays before working on Star Trek in 1966). She left Next Generation early on because of her clashes with Roddenberry. Roddenberry was no saint. -- James Van Hise

2000-03-12 00:00:00 - Re: Harlan WILL NOT be at Outer Limits Festival Friday, March 10 at 7:00 p.m LA, CA - (Jim Patterson <jrp32@NOSPAMBellsouth.net>)


On 12 Mar 2000 17:31:48 GMT, jimvanhise@aol.comnojunk (Jimvanhise) wrote: >Roddenberry was no saint. -- James Van Hise Did anybody say that he was?

2000-03-13 00:00:00 - Re: Harlan WILL NOT be at Outer Limits Festival Friday, March 10 at 7:00 p.m LA, CA - (Nyarlathotep <nyarlathotep1@my-deja.com>)


In article <59oncsk8gqcn3r30f6qim25le6coeqbs86@4ax.com>, Jim Patterson <jrp32@NOSPAMBellsouth.net> wrote: > On 12 Mar 2000 17:31:48 GMT, jimvanhise@aol.comnojunk (Jimvanhise) > wrote: > > >Roddenberry was no saint. -- James Van Hise > > Did anybody say that he was? That Roddenberry rap struck me as an odd digression, with dubious relevance to the Stefano-Ellison dispute. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.