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2000-05-22 00:00:00 - Episode "The Conversion" - (rpini@elfquest.com)


Can anyone point me toward a source for this episode? Thanks! -- Richard Pini *** Elfquest *** Warp Graphics rpini@elfquest.com *** www.elfquest.com

2000-05-22 00:00:00 - Re: Episode "The Conversion" - (Charles Henry <charles.henry@engineer2k.com>)


Here's what I gathered from http://www.innermind.com/outerlimits/guides/ol01.txt : --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12. The Conversion - June 9, 1995 An ex-con murders three people at a Christmas party and flees into the mountains, where he encounters a stranger who claims to know the future. [viewer warnings] [V AL AC] [Guest Starring] John Savage {Lucas} Beau Starr Special Appearance by Rebecca De Mornay {Woman} and Frank Whaley as Henry Marshall Based on the Short Story "Two Strangers" by Richard B. Lewis Teleplay by Brad Wright Directed by Rebecca De Mornay Featuring Kerry Sandomirsky Mary Roger R. Cross Bartender Tom Butler Mr. Evans Kamilyn Kaneko Receptionist Ric Reid Coroner Ken Tremblett Businessman Brent Chapman Officer Michael Cram Father Nichole Spinola Daughter William B. Davis Ed Angela Gann Ed's Wife ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

2000-05-24 00:00:00 - Re: Episode "The Conversion" - (rpini@elfquest.com)


In article <8gbb3e$11gn$1@news5.isdnet.net>, "Charles Henry" <charles.henry@engineer2k.com> wrote: > Here's what I gathered from > http://www.innermind.com/outerlimits/guides/ol01.txt : > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > 12. The Conversion - June 9, 1995 > > An ex-con murders three people at a Christmas party and flees into > the mountains, where he encounters a stranger who claims to know > the future. > > [viewer warnings] [V AL AC] > [Guest Starring] > John Savage {Lucas} > Beau Starr > Special Appearance by > Rebecca De Mornay {Woman} > and Frank Whaley as Henry Marshall > Based on the Short Story "Two Strangers" > by Richard B. Lewis > Teleplay by Brad Wright > Directed by Rebecca De Mornay > Featuring > Kerry Sandomirsky Mary > Roger R. Cross Bartender > Tom Butler Mr. Evans > Kamilyn Kaneko Receptionist > Ric Reid Coroner > Ken Tremblett Businessman > Brent Chapman Officer > Michael Cram Father > Nichole Spinola Daughter > William B. Davis Ed > Angela Gann Ed's Wife > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for the info. What I'm looking for even more, though, is a copy (I would have sworn MGM offered it for sale on a twofer video that contained this and one other episode) - either that, or any information on when it might be rebroadcast. It was a very spiritually uplifting episode and I'd like to share it with friends. -- Richard Pini *** Elfquest *** Warp Graphics rpini@elfquest.com *** www.elfquest.com

2000-05-24 00:00:00 - Re: Episode "The Conversion" - (stoodin101@aol.com)


>What I'm looking for even more, though, is a copy (I >would have sworn MGM offered it for sale on a twofer video that contained >this and one other episode) At one time they did. I can't remember what the other ep was, but this was available in the first year of the series. however, I haven't seen it anywhere for years. Try EBAY "You're so lucky, young men. There are so many beautiful things for you to discover. And I already know it all. Unfortunately." --- Alexander Glazunov

2000-05-24 00:00:00 - Re: Episode "The Conversion" - (Jim Patterson <jrp32@NOSPAMBellsouth.net>)


On Wed, 24 May 2000 08:57:44 -0400, rpini@elfquest.com (Richard Pini) wrote: > It was a very spiritually uplifting episode and I'd >like to share it with friends. Ahhh. you have cracked the nut here. It happens to be my favorite episode for the reason you state and i did manage to get it on tape in a rebroadcast. The only problem is, i have played it so many times for friends that i thought would appreciate it (yes, i am a little judgemental there) that i have noticed that the tape is wearing out. Personally, i did not think it would ever be rebroadcast because it was so unlike mainstream tv. If you read 'the sandkings' and then saw what hollywood did to it (complete with cute dog), you will know what i mean. If you get a copy of "the conversion"...here are two things I would suggest to look for: 1. Rebecca Demornay is actually twisting him around in the elevator directing his shots into the party. 2. When he throws the gun away, the deer is watching. (as alone as he feels, he is never alone) One of the better pre-conversion shots is where the camera zooms in on henry marshalls face and then on his mouth area only (complete with stubble and imperfect teeth) as he rails Lucas on the religious issue (there is no religious issue involved....it is all spiritual). Also to me, a statement on the ridiculous greed in america is when he Henry is stealing the car at gunpoint right after the shootings and the guy wants to know if he can complete his cellphone call...he is closing a deal. <G> The first time that we see that henry really is not as he seems to the outside world is when he calls the office on that cellphone to see if anyone was killed at the party. I think one(of many) of Lucas' best lines is ' i don't why they drink this stuff...i guess it's to kill the pain'. He is talking about more than gunshot wounds. :-) One of the best lines is in the last scene (once again there are many in all scenes).... 'my name is lucas'. An excellent choice, richard, i would also suggest valerie 23 as an OL episode. For non-ol, if your have not the seen the movies "the prophecy" (original...definitely not II) or Flatliners, there is more to them than immediately meets the eye. Breaking the scene changes down to the smallest changes, they are: The Bar, The Elevator, The Office Party The Escape, The Mountain Diner. The Morgue. The Jail Cell. At least 80% of the show takes place at the diner, mostly with henry and lucas sitting across from each other in the booth. Notice that when henry sits down that the space where lucas appears a moment later is vacant and lucas was not walking up because henry is surprised to see him there. For any of the fine details....just ask. <G> jim patterson (who obviously was very impressed)

2000-05-24 00:00:00 - Re: Episode "The Conversion" - (stoodin101@aol.com)


>If >you read 'the sandkings' and then saw what hollywood did to it >(complete with cute dog), you will know what i mean. Yah, they made a shambles of it. It works fine as a monster movie, but it isn't Martin's SAND KINGS by any means. They overreached themselves, not having the budget or the time to be able to do that story justice. However, OL later redeemed itself with two of the best story-to-tv adaptations ever: Niven's INCONSTANT MOON and the Ellison/Van Vogt collaboration THE HUMAN OPERATORS. Some Niven fans complained of the changes in his story, but Niven himself was quite happy with the changes, and impressed with the episode. "You're so lucky, young men. There are so many beautiful things for you to discover. And I already know it all. Unfortunately." --- Alexander Glazunov

2000-05-24 00:00:00 - Re: Episode "The Conversion" - (Jim Patterson <jrp32@NOSPAMBellsouth.net>)


'The Human Operators' is one of my favorite episodes and definitely the best episode of that season to me. I guess i saw that one 3 times. I guess my SandKing analogy would be that of expecting filet mignon and being served hash. I read the book. <G> On 24 May 2000 18:37:33 GMT, stoodin101@aol.com (J.B.L.) wrote: >>If >>you read 'the sandkings' and then saw what hollywood did to it >>(complete with cute dog), you will know what i mean. > >Yah, they made a shambles of it. It works fine as a monster movie, but it >isn't Martin's SAND KINGS by any means. They overreached themselves, not having >the budget or the time to be able to do that story justice. > >However, OL later redeemed itself with two of the best story-to-tv adaptations >ever: Niven's INCONSTANT MOON and the Ellison/Van Vogt collaboration THE HUMAN >OPERATORS. Some Niven fans complained of the changes in his story, but Niven >himself was quite happy with the changes, and impressed with the episode. > > > > > > > >"You're so lucky, young men. There are so many beautiful things for you to >discover. And I already know it all. Unfortunately." --- Alexander Glazunov

2000-05-31 00:00:00 - Re: Episode "The Conversion" - (Loren <gunsmoke56@my-deja.com>)


In article <rpini-2205000840120001@pou-ny6-59.ix.netcom.com>, rpini@elfquest.com (Richard Pini) wrote: > Can anyone point me toward a source for this episode? Thanks! > The Sci-Fi Channel will run this episode June 5 at 10pm eastern 7pm pacific. I keep lists of all episodes airing in the U.S. on my website. Original Outer Limits are in the news section and new Outer Limits in the information section. Loren http://www.innermind.com/outerlimits/ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

2000-06-08 00:00:00 - Re: Episode "The Conversion" - (rpini@elfquest.com)


In article <8h3d2m$dc9$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Loren <gunsmoke56@my-deja.com> wrote: > In article <rpini-2205000840120001@pou-ny6-59.ix.netcom.com>, > rpini@elfquest.com (Richard Pini) wrote: > > Can anyone point me toward a source for this episode? Thanks! > > > > The Sci-Fi Channel will run this episode June 5 at 10pm eastern > 7pm pacific. > > I keep lists of all episodes airing in the U.S. on my website. > Original Outer Limits are in the news section and new Outer > Limits in the information section. > > Loren > http://www.innermind.com/outerlimits/ > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. ARRGH. And I was in Chicago at the ABA trade show, sans list and sans VCR. Sometimes you can't win for losing... I'll bookmark your site in the hope they'll run it again sometime in my lifetime, and thanks for thie info! -- Richard Pini *** Elfquest *** Warp Graphics rpini@elfquest.com *** www.elfquest.com