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2001-10-28 01:28:44-04:00 - The Outer Limits has gone to the dogs - (Robert Calvert <Hercules1@pcstarnet.com>)


Anybody else notice this? A year or two ago, after watching an episode of The Outer Limits, I very often said to myself "Why didn't I think of that?!!!". I was so impressed by the cleverness and originality of the show that I always looked forward to seeing the next one. Unfortunately, the more recent shows have left me, shall I say, unimpressed. Does anybody know what has gone wrong? It's as if this show has become less like science fiction and more like a soap opera. Robert

2001-10-28 11:09:50+00:00 - Re: The Outer Limits has gone to the dogs - (Boot13 <bootzy@mac.com>)


On Sun, 28 Oct 2001 01:28:44 -0400, "Robert Calvert" <Hercules1@pcstarnet.com> banged out on the keyboard: >Anybody else notice this? A year or two ago, after watching an episode of >The Outer Limits, I very often said to myself "Why didn't I think of >that?!!!". I was so impressed by the cleverness and originality of the show >that I always looked forward to seeing the next one. Unfortunately, the more >recent shows have left me, shall I say, unimpressed. Does anybody know what >has gone wrong? It's as if this show has become less like science fiction >and more like a soap opera. > > Robert > yeh, I used to say " dang, I wish this story was a series..." Now I say "man, they're not even trying anymore..." --=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=-- "Trust in the Harper, the Harper is good" -Harper --=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=--

2001-10-28 12:41:40+00:00 - Re: The Outer Limits has gone to the dogs - (stoodin101@aol.com)


>A year or two ago, after watching an episode of >The Outer Limits, I very often said to myself "Why didn't I think of >that?!!!". If you're just now getting season 6, believe me, things don't get any better. It was an awful season, assembled by a crew who evidently had no idea of what made OL go. The 7th season started off very weakly too...there have been several good eps since, but it still has a way to go to get back to where it was prior to Season 6. "Music is not a language; it doesn't have the task of expressing something through sounds and symbols. Music stands by itself; there's nothing beyond it."-Iannis Xenakis Cthulhu Mythos site: http://members.fortunecity.com/moderan/index.html

2001-10-28 15:32:48+00:00 - Re: The Outer Limits has gone to the dogs - (redbeard_nv@hotmail.com)


Easy, fell back onto the tried and true nature of Canadian TV production. It turns to crap after about two seasons or less. Examples: Friday the Thirteenth, The Series Forever Knight War Of The Worlds Airwolf, Season 3 (first two seasons shot in USA, season 3 in Canada) Earth:Final Conflict Darkman Team Knight Rider Outer Limits Vanishing Son Knight Rider 2010 TekWar Kung Fu, The Legend Continues Starlost

2001-10-28 21:33:42+00:00 - Re: The Outer Limits has gone to the dogs - (rtavi <rtavi@eudoramail.com>)


I think that they are so caught up in the "everything has to have a surprise ending" syndrome that the whole story is oriented toward providing the "twist" To anyone even half acquainted with SF the endings are telegraphed around 3/4 of the episode ahead. If they would go back to just writing decent stories they would be OK. When Outer limits was first reincarnated they did Martins"Sandkings" what happened to the idea of adapting existing stories by good writers rather than these hack "TV writer" plots? "Straker" <sky.diver@moonbase.alpha> wrote in message news:HaWC7.740776$T97.105948655@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com... > In article <3bdc233f.736904107@news.lvcm.com>, redbeard_nv@hotmail.com > (redbeard_nv) wrote: > > > Easy, fell back onto the tried and true nature of Canadian TV > > production. It turns to crap after about two seasons or less. > > > > Examples: > > Friday the Thirteenth, The Series > > Forever Knight > > War Of The Worlds > > Airwolf, Season 3 (first two seasons shot in USA, season 3 in Canada) > > Earth:Final Conflict > > Darkman > > Team Knight Rider > > Outer Limits > > Vanishing Son > > Knight Rider 2010 > > TekWar > > Kung Fu, The Legend Continues > > Starlost > > I think that's being unfair to our Canadian friends. IMHO, the real reason > is that the producers set up in Canada specifically to save money. They're > so caught up in saving money that they scrimp on writers, too.

2001-10-28 22:41:35+00:00 - Re: The Outer Limits has gone to the dogs - (stoodin101@aol.com)


>When Outer limits was first reincarnated >they did Martins"Sandkings" what happened to the idea of adapting existing >stories by good writers rather than these hack "TV writer" plots? And, of course, they made a shambles of the Martin story, though the thing works well in its own right. Better adaptations were to come: I ROBOT, from Eando Binder's story... INCONSTANT MOON, from Larry Niven's tale...THE HUMAN OPERATORS, from the Ellison/Van Vogt collaboration...and, though many didn't like it (and so probably wouldn't like the original story, either) THINK LIKE A DINOSAUR, from Kelly's Hugo-winning tale (though why it won a Hugo I don't know, as it is WAY too close to Godwin's COLD EQUATIONS in its plot structure...) "Music is not a language; it doesn't have the task of expressing something through sounds and symbols. Music stands by itself; there's nothing beyond it."-Iannis Xenakis Cthulhu Mythos site: http://members.fortunecity.com/moderan/index.html

2001-10-29 01:32:06+00:00 - Re: The Outer Limits has gone to the dogs - (Mark Palenik <markpalenik@sprintmail.com>)


Robert Calvert wrote: > Anybody else notice this? A year or two ago, after watching an episode of > The Outer Limits, I very often said to myself "Why didn't I think of > that?!!!". I was so impressed by the cleverness and originality of the show > that I always looked forward to seeing the next one. Unfortunately, the more > recent shows have left me, shall I say, unimpressed. Does anybody know what > has gone wrong? It's as if this show has become less like science fiction > and more like a soap opera. > > Robert Now, its true that alt.sci.physics.new-theories is sort of the joke of the physics news groups, but we still try to discuss things that are atleast somewhat related to science, or atleast, that are un-related to television. -- Make money for surfing the web at http://www.alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=BSF783 (turn cookies on first) Proud member of The Elite Council of Pointlessness. Mark Palenik, President of ________ /-------/\ /--------\/\ |--_____ -\/\ |--|++++\--\/| |--|+++++\-|/|RAKKON Software Productions |--|+++++|-|/| |--|+++++|-|//_For company info, go to, |--|+++++|-/___http://drakkon.excelland.com/ |--\____/-/____http://www.segasonic.simplenet.com/stjr \--------/ http://drakkon.excelland.com/ http://www.segasonic.simplenet.com/stjr

2001-11-05 07:18:07+00:00 - Re: The Outer Limits has gone to the dogs - (LaGuy@LA.com)


On Sun, 28 Oct 2001 11:09:50 GMT, Boot13 <bootzy@mac.com> wrote: >On Sun, 28 Oct 2001 01:28:44 -0400, "Robert Calvert" ><Hercules1@pcstarnet.com> banged out on the keyboard: > >>Anybody else notice this? A year or two ago, after watching an episode of >>The Outer Limits, I very often said to myself "Why didn't I think of >>that?!!!". I was so impressed by the cleverness and originality of the show >>that I always looked forward to seeing the next one. Unfortunately, the more >>recent shows have left me, shall I say, unimpressed. Does anybody know what >>has gone wrong? It's as if this show has become less like science fiction >>and more like a soap opera. >> >> Robert >> > >yeh, I used to say " dang, I wish this story was a series..." I don't know about that. Almost every episode I saw I was thrilled by the first act which promised a really great story and was yawning by the third act by which time they had dropped all pretense at anything of quality. > >Now I say "man, they're not even trying anymore..." > > >--=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=-- > "Trust in the Harper, the Harper is good" > -Harper >--=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=----=*=--

2001-11-05 07:19:28+00:00 - Re: The Outer Limits has gone to the dogs - (LaGuy@LA.com)


On Sun, 28 Oct 2001 16:15:35 GMT, Straker <sky.diver@moonbase.alpha> wrote: >In article <3bdc233f.736904107@news.lvcm.com>, redbeard_nv@hotmail.com >(redbeard_nv) wrote: > >> Easy, fell back onto the tried and true nature of Canadian TV >> production. It turns to crap after about two seasons or less. >> >> Examples: >> Friday the Thirteenth, The Series >> Forever Knight >> War Of The Worlds >> Airwolf, Season 3 (first two seasons shot in USA, season 3 in Canada) >> Earth:Final Conflict >> Darkman >> Team Knight Rider >> Outer Limits >> Vanishing Son >> Knight Rider 2010 >> TekWar >> Kung Fu, The Legend Continues >> Starlost You can add the awful Witchblade to that sad list (it didn't have to wait for season three to stink up the screen). > >I think that's being unfair to our Canadian friends. IMHO, the real reason >is that the producers set up in Canada specifically to save money. They're >so caught up in saving money that they scrimp on writers, too. That's indeed one of the problems. Canada gets the bad shows that are only into saving money and trying to make a fast buck.

2001-11-05 07:20:55+00:00 - Re: The Outer Limits has gone to the dogs - (LaGuy@LA.com)


On Sun, 28 Oct 2001 21:33:42 GMT, "rtavi" <rtavi@eudoramail.com> wrote: >I think that they are so caught up in the "everything has to have a surprise >ending" syndrome that the whole story is oriented toward providing the >"twist" To anyone even half acquainted with SF the endings are telegraphed >around 3/4 of the episode ahead. If they would go back to just writing >decent stories they would be OK. When Outer limits was first reincarnated >they did Martins"Sandkings" what happened to the idea of adapting existing >stories by good writers rather than these hack "TV writer" plots? I wouldn't call them "hacks" because they ARE writing what they're asked to write: something that hinges on a single twist. Very few stories can be good using that format. That was the main problem of Tales from the Crypt too. >"Straker" <sky.diver@moonbase.alpha> wrote in message >news:HaWC7.740776$T97.105948655@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com... >> In article <3bdc233f.736904107@news.lvcm.com>, redbeard_nv@hotmail.com >> (redbeard_nv) wrote: >> >> > Easy, fell back onto the tried and true nature of Canadian TV >> > production. It turns to crap after about two seasons or less. >> > >> > Examples: >> > Friday the Thirteenth, The Series >> > Forever Knight >> > War Of The Worlds >> > Airwolf, Season 3 (first two seasons shot in USA, season 3 in Canada) >> > Earth:Final Conflict >> > Darkman >> > Team Knight Rider >> > Outer Limits >> > Vanishing Son >> > Knight Rider 2010 >> > TekWar >> > Kung Fu, The Legend Continues >> > Starlost >> >> I think that's being unfair to our Canadian friends. IMHO, the real reason >> is that the producers set up in Canada specifically to save money. They're >> so caught up in saving money that they scrimp on writers, too. > >