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1996-04-24 00:00:00 - New Letter-Writing Campaign - (zikzak23@usa.pipeline.com)


Okay, this is from the Netforum on the official Sliders website. Here's are some addresses to write to show support for Sliders: Email: sliders@delphi.com Snailmail: Sliders c/o Fox Broadcasting P.O. Box 900 Beverly Hills, CA 90213-0900 Fox Television 205 E. 67th Street New York NY 10021 (this one is the business address. Write c/o John Matoian, the President of Fox Programming and/or John Littman, the V.P.) Also from NetForum, the latest news: "Space" has been cancelled. The decision to renew "Sliders" will be based on their ideas for next season. In other words, if they come up with good episode ideas, "Sliders" will survive. If not, it'll get cancelled. (gulp)

1996-04-25 00:00:00 - Re: New Letter-Writing Campaign - (Joe_McGinn@mindlink.bc.ca)


zikzak23@usa.pipeline.com() wrote: >"Space" has been cancelled. Thanks for the good news! Sometimes there is justice. :-) >The decision to renew "Sliders" will be based >on their ideas for next season. In other words, if they come up with good >episode ideas, "Sliders" will survive. If not, it'll get cancelled. >(gulp) That sounds pretty good actually - it shouldn't be hard for TV writers to convince a TV executive that they still have good ideas. That's what they do. Joe

1996-04-25 00:00:00 - Re: New Letter-Writing Campaign - (zikzak23@usa.pipeline.com)


On Apr 25, 1996 07:50:24 in article <Re: New Letter-Writing Campaign>, 'Joe_McGinn@mindlink.bc.ca (Joe)' wrote: >That sounds pretty good actually - it shouldn't be hard for TV writers >to convince a TV executive that they still have good ideas. That's >what they do. > >Joe Yeah, but that's what they had to do last year to bring "Sliders" back for a second season. Weiss and Torme' literally went to the Fox executives and spelled out their plans to improve the show in order to convince them they could do a better job. And now they've done it, and the ratings still aren't that hot. So the question is, will the same thing work a second time?

1996-04-26 00:00:00 - Re: New Letter-Writing Campaign - (andrewg/csource1.com@dpop.micron.net)


Joe_McGinn@mindlink.bc.ca (Joe) wrote: >zikzak23@usa.pipeline.com() wrote: >>"Space" has been cancelled. >Thanks for the good news! Sometimes there is justice. :-) >>The decision to renew "Sliders" will be based >>on their ideas for next season. In other words, if they come up with good >>episode ideas, "Sliders" will survive. If not, it'll get cancelled. >>(gulp) >That sounds pretty good actually - it shouldn't be hard for TV writers >to convince a TV executive that they still have good ideas. That's >what they do. >Joe Please tell me that this isn't just the ramblings of a mad-man, but honest to God fact. If so, then Sliders should easily win over Strange Luck, if that is indeed it's competition. Now, don't get me wrong, Strange Luck was OK, but there are just so many more possibilities that can be done with Sliders - so many more story ideas that can be tried. Different worlds they can visit (OK, same world - different dimensions...I know), but w/ SL, all they can do is have Chance get out of tight situations in weird ways - not all that interesting after a while. -Andrew

1996-04-26 00:00:00 - Re: New Letter-Writing Campaign - (gharlane@ccshp1.ccs.csus.edu)


In <4lk8mj$6f3@news1.h1.usa.pipeline.com> zikzak23@usa.pipeline.com() writes: > > Okay, this is from the Netforum on the official Sliders website. > ....<deletia> > > "Space" has been cancelled. Ah, there *is* some Good and Rationality left in the world. > The decision to renew "Sliders" will be based on their ideas for next > season. Amazing. Do they have anyone in mind to invent these "ideas?" Is the studio going to hire a new producer to mess it up even worse, the way the Black Tower and "Amblin'" did with "SinkQuest?" > In other words, if they come up with good episode ideas, "Sliders" > will survive. If not, it'll get cancelled. > (gulp) No big deal. All Torme has to do is stop trying to write the show, and concentrate on producing it... by hiring some competent writers. OR, as a more pride-salvaging fall-back position, hit the local library, make a list of good alternate time-track stories, and have Legal send out a few checks and clear some story rights. Given that the silly thing actually stays in production, there's no reason it couldn't become a good show, *PROVIDED* they start spending some of the budget on some decent scripts. The L.A. Basin is *FULL* of experienced SF writers, many with PhD's in various appropriate disciplines, and track records of having come up with some ripping good yarns; if the show goes back into production, we'll know by the story-credits frame and script-credits frame whether Torme is serious about staying on the air, or willing to sink his own show by refusing to admit he's not competent to write good SF by himself.

1996-04-27 00:00:00 - Re: New Letter-Writing Campaign - (av214@yfn.ysu.edu)


In a previous article, gharlane@ccshp1.ccs.csus.edu (Gharlane of Eddore) says: >In <4lk8mj$6f3@news1.h1.usa.pipeline.com> >zikzak23@usa.pipeline.com() writes: >> >> Okay, this is from the Netforum on the official Sliders website. >> >....<deletia> >> >> "Space" has been cancelled. > >Ah, there *is* some Good and Rationality left in the world. Oh, I liked it alright. But if it was a question of Space versus Sliders, I'll take Sliders any day. > >> The decision to renew "Sliders" will be based on their ideas for next >> season. > >Amazing. Do they have anyone in mind to invent these "ideas?" Maybe the basis of the letter writing campaign should be just sending them the million and one ideas that are possible within this framework. I know, I know... if we did that, they couldnt' read it (thank you litigation craze). But if we could just prove to them how infinite the potential is... > >Is the studio going to hire a new producer to mess it up even worse, >the way the Black Tower and "Amblin'" did with "SinkQuest?" God help us, but that's probably exactly what they have in mind. Let's hope the people they bring on are a whole lot better. > > >No big deal. All Torme has to do is stop trying to write the show, >and concentrate on producing it... by hiring some competent writers. > >OR, as a more pride-salvaging fall-back position, hit the local >library, make a list of good alternate time-track stories, and have >Legal send out a few checks and clear some story rights. What do you need to get Legal involved for? Anything over a hundred years is in public domain anyway. Just use old history; it will make more interesting worlds anyway. > >Given that the silly thing actually stays in production, there's >no reason it couldn't become a good show, *PROVIDED* they start >spending some of the budget on some decent scripts. This is how I feel. I actually *like* the show as is, in a campy sort of way. But I think it has potential in its concept to be one of the great sf shows to appear on television. *If* they bother with it. > >The L.A. Basin is *FULL* of experienced SF writers, many with >PhD's in various appropriate disciplines, and track records of >having come up with some ripping good yarns; if the show goes >back into production, we'll know by the story-credits frame >and script-credits frame whether Torme is serious about staying >on the air, or willing to sink his own show by refusing to admit >he's not competent to write good SF by himself. > You don't need a PhD to write sf. All you need is a truly curious mind and a willingness to do research. But it might be very nice to get some historians to work on the show. -- Barbara E. Walton | Check out <av214@yfn.ysu.edu> | the new newsgroup http://freenet.buffalo.edu/~ah329 | alt.books.orson-s-card

1996-04-29 00:00:00 - Re: New Letter-Writing Campaign - (edflixman@usa.pipeline.com)


I enjoy literary SF, but I fail to see where PhD-equipped SF writers hold the key to big ratings. Television writing and SF are two different animals, and very damn few have mastered both (i.e., JMS -- do you think he writes ALL the B5 episodes just for fun? The fact is, he is NOT happy with the SF/TV writing talent in L.A.). Your assumption that any tale-spinner with a degree can write for television's needs is a gross underestimation of the skill required by the medium. On Apr 26, 1996 22:27:22 in article <Re: New Letter-Writing Campaign>, 'gharlane@ccshp1.ccs.csus.edu (Gharlane of Eddore)' wrote: > >The L.A. Basin is *FULL* of experienced SF writers, many with >PhD's in various appropriate disciplines, and track records of >having come up with some ripping good yarns; if the show goes >back into production, we'll know by the story-credits frame >and script-credits frame whether Torme is serious about staying >on the air, or willing to sink his own show by refusing to admit >he's not competent to write good SF by himself. -- Robert Martin aka Ed Flixman

1996-04-29 00:00:00 - Flixman; was Re: New Letter-Writing Campaign - (gharlane@ccshp1.ccs.csus.edu)


In<4m2o14$o0o@news1.h1.usa.pipeline.com> edflixman@usa.pipeline.com(Robert Martin aka Ed Flixman) writes: > > I enjoy literary SF, but I fail to see where PhD-equipped SF writers hold > the key to big ratings. > > Television writing and SF are two different animals, and very damn few > have mastered both (i.e., JMS -- do you think he writes ALL the B5 > episodes just for fun? The fact is, he is NOT happy with the SF/TV > writing talent in L.A.). Your assumption that any tale-spinner with > a degree can write for television's needs is a gross underestimation > of the skill required by the medium. > ...Robert Martin aka Ed Flixman Since you've chosen to take comments out of context and respond to them, your comments are not particularly appreciated; had you bothered to check the rest of the discussion, you'd have seen that I was specifically recommending the purchase of STORY rights, not necessarily the contracting of scriptwriting by prose writers whose sklls are unsuited to the TV medium. Since you've either missed those rather critical points, or not understood them, or purposely ignored them for the sake of generating a disagreeing entry, I'll just content myself with pointing out that, as long as the "SLIDERS" production crew avoids like unto the veriest of plagues the use of any of the "writers" who've worked on such stellar efforts as "EARTH 2" and "SPACE: ARTLESS & BORING," they could hardly do any worse than than they are at present. (This assertion specifically ignores the world-shatteringly horrible results that might be achieved if "SLIDERS" hired the likes of Braga, Flint, or Duggan to come over and produce them out of trouble. *THAT* could result in something that would make "EARTH 2" look like a quality product....)

1996-05-02 00:00:00 - Re: Flixman; was Re: New Letter-Writing Campaign - (edflixman@usa.pipeline.com)


Your post said exactly what I quoted it as saying, no more, and no less. While I appreciate the benefits of following an entire thread in order to make a coherent contribution, your failure to make yourself clear in the particular post does not constitute a choice on my part "to take comments out of context." The thread was titled "New Letter WRiting Campaign." So why should I expect your thoughts on a separate matter to be spread through several posts? It would take next-to-no effort for you to make yourself understood by writing clearly, as you have here. Don't blame me for your own lapse in clarity. On Apr 29, 1996 23:23:57 in article <Flixman; was Re: New Letter-Writing Campaign>, 'gharlane@ccshp1.ccs.csus.edu (Gharlane of Eddore)' wrote: > > >Since you've chosen to take comments out of context and respond to them, >your comments are not particularly appreciated; had you bothered to >check the rest of the discussion, you'd have seen that I was specifically >recommending the purchase of STORY rights, not necessarily the contracting >of scriptwriting by prose writers whose sklls are unsuited to the >TV medium. -- Robert Martin aka Ed Flixman

1996-05-02 00:00:00 - Re: Flixman; was Re: New Letter-Writing Campaign - (zikzak23@usa.pipeline.com)


On May 02, 1996 11:44:25 in article <Re: Flixman; was Re: New Letter-Writing Campaign>, 'edflixman@usa.pipeline.com(Robert Martin aka Ed Flixman)' wrote: >Your post said exactly what I quoted it as saying, no more, and no less. > >While I appreciate the benefits of following an entire thread in order to >make a coherent contribution, your failure to make yourself clear in the >particular post does not constitute a choice on my part "to take comments >out of context." > >The thread was titled "New Letter WRiting Campaign." So why should I expect >your thoughts on a separate matter to be spread through several posts? > >It would take next-to-no effort for you to make yourself understood by >writing clearly, as you have here. > >Don't blame me for your own lapse in clarity. You just can't reason with this guy.