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1996-05-05 00:00:00 - Why did they need the timer at all? - (Harlequinarian <silver@nol.net>)


Okay.. I have a question. There may very well be a simple answer, but I dunno.. Why did they need to get the timer back at all (besides to further the plot.. heh)? Why couldn't they just use mirror Quinn's equipment in the mirror basement and slide from there? In fact, why didn't they stay on the mirror earth for a little while and try to work out a better way to attempt the slides home? Like try to perfect where you go, or putting more power into it so they didn't have to bother with waiting for the time on the timer? I mean.. any of that would have killed the plot, but.. heh.. just wondering. -Silverwind

1996-05-07 00:00:00 - Re: Why did they need the timer at all? - (gharlane@ccshp1.ccs.csus.edu)


In <318D2475.6FA4@nol.net> Harlequinarian <silver@nol.net> writes: > > Okay.. I have a question. There may very well be a simple answer, but I > dunno.. > > Why did they need to get the timer back at all (besides to further the > plot.. heh)? Why couldn't they just use mirror Quinn's equipment in the > mirror basement and slide from there? In fact, why didn't they stay on > the mirror earth for a little while and try to work out a better way to > attempt the slides home? Like try to perfect where you go, or putting > more power into it so they didn't have to bother with waiting for the > time on the timer? > > I mean.. any of that would have killed the plot, but.. heh.. just > wondering. > The simple answer: The current "SLIDERS" series format apparently denies the concept of "arc" developments; at the end of each show, it's reset-to-zero time, like most of the work in the "STAR TREK" universe. This precludes any form of situational mastery by the viewpoint characters, and constitutes a major flaw in the fundamental series format; the characters have to be RE-acting, rather than acting; despite whatever they accomplish on the worlds they visit, their role in the *series* is essentially passive. This unconscious feeling of powerlessness and randomnity causes a lot of folks to tune out without knowing why. (The most recent conceptual analogs, "HIGHWAY TO HEAVEN" and "QUANTUM LEAP," managed to avoid this emotional context by asserting that some "Higher Power" was moving the viewpoint characters around with a Purpose.) The time of the discrete-episode TV series is largely past; even half-hour sitcoms have broken down and done long-term situational and character development, and the best we've seen on "SLIDERS" so far is a bit of adolescent emotional involvement in two of the leads. That's a *LOT* of scripts to have gone past without the characters having gotten anywhere with their fundamental problem, and is the single most dis-satisfying thing about the series.

1996-05-07 00:00:00 - Re: Why did they need the timer at all? - (tristis victoria <silver@dazed.nol.net>)


On Tue, 7 May 1996, Dutta wrote: > On Sun, 5 May 1996, Harlequinarian wrote: > > Well they'd be able to slide, but without a timer they wouldn't be able > to slide off Azure Gate Bridge world but they wouldn't be able to do > anymore sliding. Er.. I meant like get a new timer from the azure world.. > > the mirror earth for a little while and try to work out a better way to > > attempt the slides home? Like try to perfect where you go, or putting > > more power into it so they didn't have to bother with waiting for the > > time on the timer? > > Good question. > Oh well. I still love the show. -silver- (<-- about to get good stereo tapes of the whole first season, in order, finally... woohoo! or something)

1996-05-07 00:00:00 - Re: Why did they need the timer at all? - (am856@yfn.ysu.edu)


Silverwing, If the use another Sliding Machine, the odds aren't as favorable that their Universe will pop up. They have better odds with the original times. --

1996-05-07 00:00:00 - Re: Why did they need the timer at all? - (Dutta <y312@unb.ca>)


On Sun, 5 May 1996, Harlequinarian wrote: > Okay.. I have a question. There may very well be a simple answer, but I > dunno.. > > Why did they need to get the timer back at all (besides to further the > plot.. heh)? Why couldn't they just use mirror Quinn's equipment in the > mirror basement and slide from there? In fact, why didn't they stay on Well they'd be able to slide, but without a timer they wouldn't be able to slide off Azure Gate Bridge world but they wouldn't be able to do anymore sliding. > the mirror earth for a little while and try to work out a better way to > attempt the slides home? Like try to perfect where you go, or putting > more power into it so they didn't have to bother with waiting for the > time on the timer? Good question.

1996-05-09 00:00:00 - Re: Why did they need the timer at all? - (danbenj@eden.rutgers.edu)


gharlane@ccshp1.ccs.csus.edu (Gharlane of Eddore) writes: >The simple answer: The current "SLIDERS" series format apparently denies >the concept of "arc" developments; at the end of each show, it's >reset-to-zero time, like most of the work in the "STAR TREK" universe. >That's a *LOT* of scripts to have gone past without the characters having >gotten anywhere with their fundamental problem, and is the single most >dis-satisfying thing about the series. Note that this is largely the fault of the network, not the writers and developers. Last season, they tried to give the show continuity. There was a definite order in which the show was meant to be aired, but FOX decided that it was more important to built up a quick following for the show than to have it make sense. So instead of showing "Summer of Love" second, which showed some follow-up to the pilot including the investigation of the disappearance of the Sliders on their home Earth and a scene explaining how the timer works, they showed "Fever", which was an more intense episode and a more interesting world. As a result, we had things like the Sliders leaving a world in one episode, and sliding TO it in an episode aired 2 weeks later. This annoyed the hell out of Torme, Weiss, and the others involved, and confused many of the fans. They didn't want any of the same problems for the second season, so they didn't give the episodes ANY continuity (well, maybe "these 6 episodes come after these 5", but nothing more explicit than that). It's true, characterization and grand plot development are suffering because of it, but for now, the only way they can keep FOX from screwing up the order is not to give the show an order at all. Maybe next season FOX will be more confident in the show and give the writers reason to work on continuity. _/~ |__ | |__) [-_ on....

1996-05-09 00:00:00 - Re: Why did they need the timer at all? - (Dutta <y312@unb.ca>)


On Tue, 7 May 1996, tristis victoria wrote: > On Tue, 7 May 1996, Dutta wrote: > > > On Sun, 5 May 1996, Harlequinarian wrote: > > > > Well they'd be able to slide, but without a timer they wouldn't be able > > to slide off Azure Gate Bridge world but they wouldn't be able to do > > anymore sliding. > > Er.. I meant like get a new timer from the azure world.. > What new timer? There was no "new timer" on azure world. There was their timer which they brought with them, and that fake timer which the evil Arturo made. Of course Quinn could've stuck around to build a new one. Neal Dutta