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1997-08-04 00:00:00 - RE: Earth Prime - (Tom Valeriano <tom@wackyland.com>)


Actually Quinn has been to Earth Prime twice. Back a season or two when they met the Quinn who was doing the Wizard of OZ spoof, he had developed a method of setting your destination. This Quinn had been able to send them home, but only for a few minutes. I might add that in this Earth Prime the gate had been oiled by a handyman. But when Quinn and Maggie were checking out new worlds they came upon Earth Prime also. But on this earth prime the gate hadn't been oiled. It is more likely than not they will never find their true home, but rather a very very close parallel of it. That sliden Fool, Tommy V -- Reality is for those lacking imagination ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thomas Valeriano, Creative Endeavors and Concepts Tomv@wackyland.com http://www.wackyland.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

1997-08-14 00:00:00 - Re: Earth Prime - (thirteen@frXOXed.net)


In article <01bca637$eb9d54e0$LocalHost@jonny-s-586>, "Jonny Stipe" <JonStipe@prodigy.net> wrote: > The Sliders have only one Earth Prime- That single, one-in-a-jillion world > the sliders came from. All those "close parallels" are completely other > worlds and not Earth Prime. The world with the oiled gate and the world > with the squeaky gate are two separate worlds- they are not both Earth > Prime. Maybe one is, and maybe neither are, but they can't both be Earth > Prime unless they are one and the same and the gate just started squeaking > again. It is more likely that they are separate worlds. > > Tom Valeriano <tom@wackyland.com> wrote in article > <33E5F745.8ADBA3C7@wackyland.com>... > > Actually Quinn has been to Earth Prime twice. Back a season or two when > > they met the Quinn who was doing the Wizard of OZ spoof, he had > > developed a method of setting your destination. This Quinn had been > > able to send them home, but only for a few minutes. I might add that in > > this Earth Prime the gate had been oiled by a handyman. But when Quinn > > and Maggie were checking out new worlds they came upon Earth Prime > > also. But on this earth prime the gate hadn't been oiled. It is more > > likely than not they will never find their true home, but rather a very > > very close parallel of it. Please stop going on and on about the squeaky gate. Any homeowner knows that such things require constant attention. The Mallorys had allowed the gate to squeak for years; Quinn's mother propbbly didn't bother to get it fixed when it began squeaking again. The fact is that the gate worlds had to be Earth Prime each time. There was simply no dramatic reason to show us those worlds if it wasn't. The additional fact that Quinn landed on Earth Prime at random (that is, the second time) after only three years of trying proves that the number of parallel worlds (or at least the number of parallel worlds reachable via the timer) is not very large -- a couple of thousand, perhaps. Otherwise, the odds would have precluded such a "quick" return home. It's certainly not a one-in-a-jillion chance. -- Stop by http://www.fred.net/thirteen/ -- Please remove XOX from address for e-mail

1997-08-16 00:00:00 - Earth Prime - (Alan <Alan@Voyager1.Softnet.co.uk>)


The sliders chances of getting home are virtually Zilch. After all the Earth is a big place. Just beacuse the historical events are right in America does not mean they are right in Britain, Australlia or any other country. Therefore by only looking to see if the gate squeks and Bill Clinton is the US president is not going to work. After all who is to say that a certain persion did not become the Premier of Russia or the Uk. The longer they slider the harder it is to find there home Earth as events will change on Erath Prime. 3... 2.... 1.... Looks like its time for me to Slide out of here. Alan

1997-08-17 00:00:00 - Re: Earth Prime - (hrivnak@eyrie.org)


In article <01bcab3e$392cf160$fbacadce@crc3.concentric.net>, Sarlax <smustain@impulse.net> wrote: >Anyway, most of the episodes of sliders involve histroy being altered in >that one second, which is damn unlikely. Given the odds, with at least >a near-infinite number of worlds, more than 99% of the worlds should >be radically different from our own. Of course, if you look at alternate dimensions as branches of a linear line, you could say that it is quite possible it would be easier for them to jump to near-similar worlds than to ones where, say, the earth doesn't even exist. Think of it this way. If you correlate time as a tree that grows upward, and the branches as the splintering of alternate universes, then you can see it is easier to move between two branches close to each other than one on the other side of the tree. Of course, branches close to each other also split farther up the tree (or closer to the present). Therefore, if we use this analogy, then these worlds should be closer to each other than one that split in the far past (or further down the tree). Damn it's hard to explain. I'd draw it out more if I could. - Mike. -- Michael D. Friedman | "You tried your best, and you failed miserably. PROUD *PITT* ALUMNUS | The lesson is: never try." - Homer Simpson. hrivnak@eyrie.org | HOMEPAGE: http://havoc.gtf.gatech.edu/hrivnak

1997-08-17 00:00:00 - Re: Earth Prime - (Sarlax <smustain@impulse.net>)


Alan <Alan@Voyager1.Softnet.co.uk> wrote in article <01bcaa8b$0f2cc6a0$e64698c2@defiant>... > The sliders chances of getting home are virtually Zilch. After all the > Earth is a big place. Just beacuse the historical events are right in > America does not mean they are right in Britain, Australlia or any other > country. Therefore by only looking to see if the gate squeks and Bill > Clinton is the US president is not going to work. After all who is to say > that a certain persion did not become the Premier of Russia or the Uk. The > longer they slider the harder it is to find there home Earth as events will > change on Erath Prime. > > 3... 2.... 1.... > > Looks like its time for me to Slide out of here. > > Alan > In addition, think of the other diversions in the flow of time. I'm sure most of us have heard the phrase: "If we could put all time on a clock, man's entire existenece would have occured at 11:59:59." I'm not sure on the exact text, but that's the closest I can remember. Anyway, most of the episodes of sliders involve histroy being altered in that one second, which is damn unlikely. Given the odds, with at least a near-infinite number of worlds, more than 99% of the worlds should be radically different from our own. Given a universal lifespan of billions of years, earth probably wouldn't exist is most of the dimension that the sliders travel to. And this doesn't even account for chaos theory. -- Sam Mustain "I believe God created me in a day!" "Yeah, looks like he rushed it." smustain@impulse.net

1997-08-17 00:00:00 - Re: Earth Prime - (Wrock <wrock@concentric.net>)


Alan wrote, typed, voice activated, or whatever: > > The sliders chances of getting home are virtually Zilch. After all the > Earth is a big place. Just beacuse the historical events are right in > America does not mean they are right in Britain, Australlia or any other > country. Therefore by only looking to see if the gate squeks and Bill > Clinton is the US president is not going to work. After all who is to say > that a certain persion did not become the Premier of Russia or the Uk. The > longer they slider the harder it is to find there home Earth as events will > change on Erath Prime. > > 3... 2.... 1.... > > Looks like its time for me to Slide out of here. > > Alan That's another problem. Back in '96 we had this thing called 'election' How do they know Clinton was re-elected? How do they know anything that's happened since they left? With the Sorcerer, they needed their timer, in the scene at the end, you could see him tinkering with it. Maybe the timer has some sort of weird link to the original sliding machine. Now that they're using different timers, this also adds to the problem. How do they know for sure? Let us now go back to the questions from season one, "why don't they just try to find a close copy?" -Wrock

1997-08-17 00:00:00 - Re: Earth Prime - (pf2144@aol.com)


>The sliders chances of getting home are virtually Zilch. After all the >Earth is a big place. Just beacuse the historical events are right in >America does not mean they are right in Britain, Australlia or any other >country. Therefore by only looking to see if the gate squeks and Bill >Clinton is the US president is not going to work. After all who is to say >that a certain persion did not become the Premier of Russia or the Uk. The >longer they slider the harder it is to find there home Earth as events will >change on Erath Prime. I definitely agree there, I've always said the chances of the Sliders returning home are slim. BTW, they left EP two years before the Bill Clinton was re-elected so for all they know Colin Powell or someone is President on EP. Pf2144 "The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."- George Orwell's Animal Farm

1997-08-19 00:00:00 - Re: Earth Prime - (hrivnak@eyrie.org)


In article <5tdn7f$fi4$1@opera.iinet.net.au>, cHaRleS <charles1@iinet.net.au> wrote: >Well Mike...if sliding is like jumping between two branches then this >analogy you have created may be correct....BUT...sliding is completely >RANDOM...and if you watched the show you would know that . You are not >more likely to slide to a world vastly different to earth prime just >because the world you left is very different. What do you mean "if I watched the show"? I've seen every episode except for Eggheads. And unless they specifically said that it was random in that episode, I don't think they every said it was COMPLETELY random. Sure it is random, but why couldn't it be randomness as related to proximety? I'm just justifiying the reason they haven't leapt into a world where there is no Earth. I think it is a reasonable explaination. If I'm wrong, correct me. But I don't remember them ever saying that specifically. - Mike, or I could just be babbling incoherently. -- Michael D. Friedman | "You tried your best, and you failed miserably. PROUD *PITT* ALUMNUS | The lesson is: never try." - Homer Simpson. hrivnak@eyrie.org | HOMEPAGE: http://havoc.gtf.gatech.edu/hrivnak

1997-08-20 00:00:00 - Re: Earth Prime - (charles1@iinet.net.au)


hrivnak@eyrie.org (Mike Friedman) wrote: >In article <01bcab3e$392cf160$fbacadce@crc3.concentric.net>, >Sarlax <smustain@impulse.net> wrote: >>Anyway, most of the episodes of sliders involve histroy being altered in >>that one second, which is damn unlikely. Given the odds, with at least >>a near-infinite number of worlds, more than 99% of the worlds should >>be radically different from our own. >Of course, if you look at alternate dimensions as branches >of a linear line, you could say that it is quite possible >it would be easier for them to jump to near-similar worlds >than to ones where, say, the earth doesn't even exist. >Think of it this way. If you correlate time as a tree that >grows upward, and the branches as the splintering of >alternate universes, then you can see it is easier to >move between two branches close to each other than one on >the other side of the tree. Of course, branches close to >each other also split farther up the tree (or closer to >the present). Therefore, if we use this analogy, then >these worlds should be closer to each other than one that >split in the far past (or further down the tree). >Damn it's hard to explain. I'd draw it out more if I could. >- Mike. >-- >Michael D. Friedman | "You tried your best, and you failed miserably. >PROUD *PITT* ALUMNUS | The lesson is: never try." - Homer Simpson. >hrivnak@eyrie.org | HOMEPAGE: http://havoc.gtf.gatech.edu/hrivnak Well Mike...if sliding is like jumping between two branches then this analogy you have created may be correct....BUT...sliding is completely RANDOM...and if you watched the show you would know that . You are not more likely to slide to a world vastly different to earth prime just because the world you left is very different. And as for 99% of worlds should "theoretically" be radically different from earth prime...id like you to explain the reason for that statement. Just because one world has different road rules where you must stop at a green light and go on a red doesnt result in some sort of radical change to history...