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1997-02-22 00:00:00 - Re: Land of the Giants (Was:Exodus Part 1 Can you say STUPID!!!) - (Jlundell@JLphoto.com)


Bill Bickel <bbickel@cris.com> wrote: >Zinc wrote: >> >> >It is physically imposible for there to be 100' tall people. They >> >would be crushed under their own weight. >> >> Why would there be a world of tall people anyway? Did evolution on >> that world just create life on a larger scale? That whole scenario >> didn't make any sense to me. Perhaps there was fundamentaly diferent with this universe. Perhaps in this universe matter is just naturaly bigger. -Treker L

1997-02-22 00:00:00 - Re: Land of the Giants (Was:Exodus Part 1 Can you say STUPID!!!) - (Bill Bickel <bbickel@cris.com>)


Prowler wrote: > > Bill Bickel <bbickel@cris.com> wrote: > > >Zinc wrote: > >> > >> >It is physically imposible for there to be 100' tall people. They > >> >would be crushed under their own weight. > >> > >> Why would there be a world of tall people anyway? Did evolution on > >> that world just create life on a larger scale? That whole scenario > >> didn't make any sense to me. > > >I think an alternate Earth that exists for only a 5-minute scene > >requires a lot less justification than one which takes up an entire > >episode. > >Especially since the purpose was clearly to teach Maggie a lesson. > > While this was at least a small saving grace, it is still no excuse. > There are too many other ways to show that all worlds are not as they > appear or a nice place to stay. > > Having Fred Flinstone walking around with Dino would have made about > as much sense. They did that last season. Bill

1997-02-22 00:00:00 - Re: Exsodus Part 1 Can you say STUPID!!! - (regnery@ix.netcom.com)


On Sat, 22 Feb 1997 06:34:35 GMT, *mbaldi@ix.netcom.com* (Prowler) wrote: >It is physically imposible for there to be 100' tall people. They >would be crushed under their own weight. Brobdingnag? Philip K. Dick wrote a very interesting that touched on the Gulliver's Travels theme. This short story is called Prize Ship, and is featured in "The Collected Stories of Philip K. Dick, Volume I." Plot Summary [spoilers]: Earth is at war with Ganymede. Earth steals a "prize ship" from Ganymede, and wants to test it. Turns out that the main control goes from -100 to +100, but they don't know what that means. A volunteer team tests the ship. From earth, they lift off, and put the ship at -100, and then end up in some strange place with no radio communications. They land on a small planet and discover these tiny castles with tiny people and horses, etc. They then get back in the ship and try +100, and find they are tiny people among giants. At 0, they return to Earth. In the war, a truce is resolved, and the earth scientists return the ship to Ganymede. They ask where the ship goes, and the Ganymede scientists say it didn't go anywhere: it was a timeship. However, it did not prove to be useful, because the universe is always expanding, Size is merely relative, and thus the worlds in the past seemed very small to the time travelers while the worlds in the future seemed very large. So, there's an explanation! It even explains how the sliders could have slid into a world where people spoke English and played Golf: that universe simply expanded faster. Well, I don't know why the rabbit would have had razor sharp teeth... Anyway, Dick's story is a pretty good story: his earliest short stories are usually quite good. There are five volumes, and volume 5 has some bizarre stories. I read that Dick used LSD sometimes. If so, this is quite apparent in volume 5... -- George M. Regnery | "Geschichte ist keine Abfolge von Daten sondern ein sich ------------------+ ueber die Dimension der Zeit erstreckendes Netz in welchem Vergagenheit, Gegenwart & Zukunft zusammengewoben sind als Schicksal."-- Cusco Links for Corporate Information: http://www.netcom.com/~regnery/corporate.html

1997-02-22 00:00:00 - Re: Exodus Part 1 Can you say... INCREDIBLE!!! - (bones3d@winternet.com)


Hehehe... How about that rabbit? ;-) 8==8 Bones3D 8==8

1997-02-22 00:00:00 - Re: Exsodus Part 1 Can you say STUPID!!! - (Slider17 <clintt@flash.net>)


I thought the giant world was cheezy too, but oh well.

1997-02-22 00:00:00 - Land of the Giants (Was:Exodus Part 1 Can you say STUPID!!!) - (Bill Bickel <bbickel@cris.com>)


Zinc wrote: > > >It is physically imposible for there to be 100' tall people. They > >would be crushed under their own weight. > > Why would there be a world of tall people anyway? Did evolution on > that world just create life on a larger scale? That whole scenario > didn't make any sense to me. I think an alternate Earth that exists for only a 5-minute scene requires a lot less justification than one which takes up an entire episode. Especially since the purpose was clearly to teach Maggie a lesson. Bill Bickel -- Please visit the "Comics I Don't Understand" Page, at http://www.concentric.net/~Bbickel/bj.html

1997-02-22 00:00:00 - Re: Exsodus Part 1 Can you say STUPID!!! - ("Brannon \"Ben\" Boren" <brannonb@u.washington.edu>)


Lauren Glenn <L_Glenn@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >*mbaldi@ix.netcom.com* (Prowler) wrote: > > >It is physically imposible for there to be 100' tall people. They > >would be crushed under their own weight. > > Not if cells were much bigger on that Earth than on ours. Remember > that the grass was just as big. The reason that ALL cells are so small is not just a matter of chance, Lauren. The fact is that cells above a certain size are unable to exchange materials with the outside - both nourishment and waste - at a sufficient rate to maintain themselves. The ratio of surface area available to interior mass is not great enough after a certain (very small) point. This is a fact that is not alterable based on alternate events occuring in a parallel universe. If in fact their goal was to demonstrate a RADICAL departure from the evolutionary lines followed on our earth, and instead demonstrate one in which creatures evolved that were much larger than us (their cell size being the same as ours, but greater in number to account for their larger mass), AND if we were to ignore the physics of how such creatures could support themselves under Earth's gravity... Well then we're still left with the odd fact that these creatures diverged from us by millions, if not billions of years, still play GOLF and speak ENGLISH. Not just wrong - stupid, stupid, stupid. <rant> I really like the idea for Exodus, but stuff like this is inexcusable. Why don't they hire a high school physics student as an advisor - he/she would obviously know more than anyone who approved that script. Or for heaven's sake, place a call to the UCLA Physics department - it's a local call and it's FREE!!! </rant> Ben -- Brannon "Ben" Boren brannonb@u.washington.edu http://weber.u.washington.edu/~brannonb/ University of Washington Department of Chemistry

1997-02-22 00:00:00 - Re: Land of the Giants (Was:Exodus Part 1 Can you say STUPID!!!) - ("Brannon \"Ben\" Boren" <brannonb@u.washington.edu>)


> I think an alternate Earth that exists for only a 5-minute scene > requires a lot less justification than one which takes up an entire > episode. > Especially since the purpose was clearly to teach Maggie a lesson. Come on, Bill, it isn't like they slid into the middle of a battle between the Canadians and Americans, and we demanded that in 5 minutes they justified the reason for the conflict - THAT would be plausible, and we could accept that although we don't know the cause of it, such a conflict is POSSIBLE. It would have taken NO greater creative effort to make a different 5 minute world. How about - they slide in and there's a big storm on the surface? They seek shelter and encounter a giant creature in the hole? Same scenario, but we removed the ridiculous elements and made it less vomit-inducing in the scientifically inclined members of the audience. Brevity is no excuse for lack of quality. Ben

1997-02-22 00:00:00 - Re: Land of the Giants (Was:Exodus Part 1 Can you say STUPID!!!) - (rnermann@aol.com)


I was really surprised that they didn't dump the GIANT world after all of the comments here based on the script that was leaked to this newsgroup. You would think that if someone would go through the trouble of sending us an entire ROUGH (it seemed word for word) script, they might have valued our opinions on the giant rabbit. OH well, Ron

1997-02-22 00:00:00 - Re: Exsodus Part 1 Can you say STUPID!!! - (*mbaldi@ix.netcom.com*)


L_Glenn@ix.netcom.com (Lauren Glenn) wrote: >On Sat, 22 Feb 1997 06:34:35 GMT, *mbaldi@ix.netcom.com* (Prowler) >wrote: >>It is physically imposible for there to be 100' tall people. They >>would be crushed under their own weight. >Not if cells were much bigger on that Earth than on ours. Remember >that the grass was just as big. As the size of a person (or anything for that matter) increases, the strenth of its structure (in this case bones) increses by a factor of 2 for each time size is doubled. However, MASS (as in weight) increses by a factor of 3 (we live in a 3d world) so before long, you reach a point at which the MASS of the object surpasses the ability of the structure to bear. mbaldi@ix*netcom*com DO NOT SEND JUNK E-MAIL: "By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment. By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for each violation."

1997-02-22 00:00:00 - Re: Land of the Giants (Was:Exodus Part 1 Can you say STUPID!!!) - (*mbaldi@ix.netcom.com*)


Bill Bickel <bbickel@cris.com> wrote: >Zinc wrote: >> >> >It is physically imposible for there to be 100' tall people. They >> >would be crushed under their own weight. >> >> Why would there be a world of tall people anyway? Did evolution on >> that world just create life on a larger scale? That whole scenario >> didn't make any sense to me. >I think an alternate Earth that exists for only a 5-minute scene >requires a lot less justification than one which takes up an entire >episode. >Especially since the purpose was clearly to teach Maggie a lesson. While this was at least a small saving grace, it is still no excuse. There are too many other ways to show that all worlds are not as they appear or a nice place to stay. Having Fred Flinstone walking around with Dino would have made about as much sence. mbaldi@ix*netcom*com DO NOT SEND JUNK E-MAIL: "By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment. By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for each violation."

1997-02-22 00:00:00 - Re: Land of the Giants (Was:Exodus Part 1 Can you say STUPID!!!) - (Bill Bickel <bbickel@cris.com>)


Brannon "Ben" Boren wrote: > > > > I think an alternate Earth that exists for only a 5-minute scene > > requires a lot less justification than one which takes up an entire > > episode. > > Especially since the purpose was clearly to teach Maggie a lesson. > > Come on, Bill, it isn't like they slid into the middle of a battle between > the Canadians and Americans, and we demanded that in 5 minutes they > justified the reason for the conflict - THAT would be plausible, and we > could accept that although we don't know the cause of it, such a conflict > is POSSIBLE. Listen... Normally, you wouldn't find anybody more critical about this sort of thing than me; but in this case, I accept Bigworld as a throwaway gag. The specifics of Bigworld had nothing to do with the plot of the episode. If you REALLY need an explanation, how about Bigworld's atmosphere was altered ten years ago due to some sort of chemical warfare experiement. Quinn and Maggie would have become accustomed to it given an hour or so, but in the meantime, they were subject to hallucinations, such as hundred-foot golfers and giant carnivorous rabbits. Bill Bickel, the Answer Man -- Please visit the "Comics I Don't Understand" Page, at http://www.concentric.net/~Bbickel/bj.html

1997-02-22 00:00:00 - Re: Exodus Part 1 Can you say... INCREDIBLE!!! - (jnanthony@aol.com)


Not only did I like the episode, but I loved the "Bigworld" slide. It reminded me of Dr. Shrinker, a show I used to love (and still do even though I haven't seen it for a long time). Regarding all the criticism: Sliders is NOT a documentary. If it was, I sure wouldn't be watching. It's entertainment. So they can get away with making pulsars whatever they need them to be to fit the story......it's possible on that world that's what pulsars are! And as for the 100 foot tall humans, hey, I loved that world! The whole basis for the show is fiction (unless you really believe your next door neighbors might be sliders). And for whoever doesn't like next week's episode, watch Family Matters....maybe you'll find that more believable. John

1997-02-22 00:00:00 - Re: Exsodus Part 1 Can you say STUPID!!! - (gdsimpso@unix.amherst.edu)


: It is physically imposible for there to be 100' tall people. They : would be crushed under their own weight. Is it possible that the universe they were in had a different G? Peace Gilberto

1997-02-22 00:00:00 - Re: Exodus Part 1 Can you say... INCREDIBLE!!! - (Christopher Hood <cnh@ix.netcom.com>)


> The whole basis for the show is fiction (unless you really believe your > next door neighbors might be sliders). And for whoever doesn't like next > week's episode, watch Family Matters....maybe you'll find that more > believable. There is a difference between fiction and fantasy. I wouldn't mind it so much except that so much of the public doesn't know that what they're seeing is just plain "wrong". They should at least "try" to be accurate. -C-

1997-02-22 00:00:00 - Re: Exsodus Part 1 Can you say STUPID!!! - (Seth Argabright <sa228595@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>)


On Sat, 22 Feb 1997, Prowler wrote: > L_Glenn@ix.netcom.com (Lauren Glenn) wrote: > > >On Sat, 22 Feb 1997 06:34:35 GMT, *mbaldi@ix.netcom.com* (Prowler) > >wrote: > > >>It is physically imposible for there to be 100' tall people. They > >>would be crushed under their own weight. > >Not if cells were much bigger on that Earth than on ours. Remember > >that the grass was just as big. > > As the size of a person (or anything for that matter) increases, the > strenth of its structure (in this case bones) increses by a factor of > 2 for each time size is doubled. However, MASS (as in weight) > increses by a factor of 3 (we live in a 3d world) so before long, you > reach a point at which the MASS of the object surpasses the ability of > the structure to bear. > > > mbaldi@ix*netcom*com > > > DO NOT SEND JUNK E-MAIL: > "By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets > the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is > unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment. By > Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is > punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever > is greater, for each violation." > > > Great. Another Gharlane. Just what we need. --Seth

1997-02-22 00:00:00 - Re: Exsodus Part 1 Can you say STUPID!!! - (al51@cornell.edu)


It has nothing to do with cells. It has to do with something called the square-cubed ratio. The strength of muscles (or ropes or chains) is determined by their cross sectional areas so strength goes up as the square of the size (e.g. if a people were 60 ft tall instead of 6 they would be 100 times stronger that is 10^2). The weight of a person scales as the volume or the cube of the height (60 ft tall means a weight of 1000 times greater). The same thing in reverse is why insects can lift 100 times their own wieght. They are 100 times smaller than us so all other things being equal they should be 1/10,000 times as strong but weigh 1/1,000,000 as much. The insects actually are not as strong scaled up as mammals. That is why you never see ants 6 ft long except in movies. In article <3310113e.2532892@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, L_Glenn@ix.netcom.com wrote: >On Sat, 22 Feb 1997 06:34:35 GMT, *mbaldi@ix.netcom.com* (Prowler) >wrote: > >>It is physically imposible for there to be 100' tall people. They >>would be crushed under their own weight. >Not if cells were much bigger on that Earth than on ours. Remember >that the grass was just as big. > >Lauren

1997-02-22 00:00:00 - Re: Exsodus Part 1 Can you say STUPID!!! - (Christopher Hood <cnh@ix.netcom.com>)


Doesn't matter. Physical laws dictate that for every squared increase in size there is a cubed increase in mass. Those 100' tall people would be crushed by their own weight. I agree. I'm extremely tired of having my intelligence insulted by hollywood. Another great example was the "Asteroid" travesty last week. Hollywood writers should've paid more attention in their high-school science classes. -C- Lauren Glenn <L_Glenn@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article <3310113e.2532892@nntp.ix.netcom.com>... > On Sat, 22 Feb 1997 06:34:35 GMT, *mbaldi@ix.netcom.com* (Prowler) > wrote: > > >It is physically imposible for there to be 100' tall people. They > >would be crushed under their own weight. > Not if cells were much bigger on that Earth than on ours. Remember > that the grass was just as big. > > Lauren >

1997-02-22 00:00:00 - Exsodus Part 1 Can you say STUPID!!! - (*mbaldi@ix.netcom.com*)


<SPOILERS of a sort> While I have loved sliders from the begining, and there have been little problems with plots in the past, nothing could have prepared me for the level of stupidity I had to endure tonight. First of all "pulsars" are *MASSIVE*, not in size but in MASS. If a pulsar came anywhere near our solar system (not to mention more than one) the gravitational chaos it would create would make the radiation look like a minor anoyance. Pulsars do not look like rock toilet paper tubes with light bulbs inside, they do not travel in groups, and if one got as close to Earch (and Saturn) as depicted in the show...there would be nothing but a cloud of dust where our planet was. It is physically imposible for there to be 100' tall people. They would be crushed under their own weight. As I said before I can overlook some of the obvious minor flaws in a show if they do not affect my ability to "suspend disbelief". But if a show is based in science, and make pretence to being a show about science and not magic, then it really irks me when they have the stupidity or gaul to try and pass off the crap they shoveled out over the airwaves this week. mbaldi@ix*netcom*com DO NOT SEND JUNK E-MAIL: "By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment. By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for each violation."

1997-02-22 00:00:00 - Re: Exsodus Part 1 Can you say STUPID!!! - (L_Glenn@ix.netcom.com)


On Sat, 22 Feb 1997 06:34:35 GMT, *mbaldi@ix.netcom.com* (Prowler) wrote: >It is physically imposible for there to be 100' tall people. They >would be crushed under their own weight. Not if cells were much bigger on that Earth than on ours. Remember that the grass was just as big. Lauren

1997-02-22 00:00:00 - Re: Exsodus Part 1 Can you say STUPID!!! - (mkochinski@aol.com)


As I wrote in another thread, the effects guys clearly explained what a pulsar was to the writers, and did the effects with exasperation when they chose to ignore it. And we didn't do the cheesy big people composites. Mark Kochinski

1997-02-22 00:00:00 - Re: Exsodus Part 1 Can you say STUPID!!! - (metalhead@asan.com)


>It is physically imposible for there to be 100' tall people. They >would be crushed under their own weight. Why would there be a world of tall people anyway? Did evolution on that world just create life on a larger scale? That whole scenario didn't make any sense to me. -- Dave ______________________________ E-MAIL: metalhead@asan.com ______________________________

1997-02-23 00:00:00 - Re: Exsodus Part 1 Can you say STUPID!!! - (cook@sos.sos.net)


al51@cornell.edu (Adam Littman) wrote: >It has nothing to do with cells. It has to do with something called the >square-cubed ratio. >The strength of muscles (or ropes or chains) is determined by their cross >sectional areas so strength goes up as the square of the size (e.g. if a >people were 60 ft tall instead of 6 they would be 100 times stronger that is >10^2). The weight of a person scales as the volume or the cube of the height >(60 ft tall means a weight of 1000 times greater). >The same thing in reverse is why insects can lift 100 times their own wieght. >They are 100 times smaller than us so all other things being equal they should >be 1/10,000 times as strong but weigh 1/1,000,000 as much. The insects >actually are not as strong scaled up as mammals. That is why you never see >ants 6 ft long except in movies. (snip) I remember reading a short story years ago that used this idea as a major plot point- a supervillian creates, among other diabolical things, giant ants, and invents a new super-strong springy substance that allows their legs to support their weight. It turns out that he wasn't trying to destroy the world with the ants, but to wipe out the world steel industry by allowing this new substance to make it onto the market. I forget all the details now, but in the end the supervillian wins, and takes over the planet by buying everyone out, instead of killing them.. Robert M. Cook cook@sos.net http://www.sos.net/home/cook/index2.htm

1997-02-23 00:00:00 - Re: Exsodus Part 1 Can you say STUPID!!! - (bchs1k@menudo.uh.edu)


In article <3310113e.2532892@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, Lauren Glenn <L_Glenn@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >On Sat, 22 Feb 1997 06:34:35 GMT, *mbaldi@ix.netcom.com* (Prowler) >wrote: > >>It is physically imposible for there to be 100' tall people. They >>would be crushed under their own weight. >Not if cells were much bigger on that Earth than on ours. Remember >that the grass was just as big. Still unlikely, unless *molecules* were larger in that universe also. If we make that assumption, then there's the question of how Quinn managed to survive. Science advisors? Yeah, right. For the record, the teeth on that rabbit have to go down as one of the cheesiest bits of CGI ever attempted ;-) <ESC> -- I wasn't trying to destroy anything. I wasn't trying to change anything. It was just fate that I didn't have any control over. -- Yoko Ono, "Seconds," v.36 - p.21

1997-02-23 00:00:00 - Re: Exsodus Part 1 Can you say STUPID!!! - (gharlane@ccshp1.ccs.csus.edu)


On Sat, 22 Feb 1997 06:34:35 GMT, *mbaldi@ix.netcom.com* (Prowler) wrote: > > It is physically imposible for there to be 100' tall people. > They would be crushed under their own weight. L_Glenn@ix.netcom.com (Lauren Glenn) wrote: > > Not if cells were much bigger on that Earth than on ours. > Remember that the grass was just as big. > On Sat, 22 Feb 1997, mbaldi@ix*netcom*com, Prowler wrote: > > As the size of a person (or anything for that matter) increases, the > strenth of its structure (in this case bones) increses by a factor of > 2 for each time size is doubled. However, MASS (as in weight) > increses by a factor of 3 (we live in a 3d world) so before long, you > reach a point at which the MASS of the object surpasses the ability of > the structure to bear. Note that the term "factor" as "Prowler" uses it in this paragraph is an *exponential* factor rather than a multiplicative one. > DO NOT SEND JUNK E-MAIL: > "By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets > the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is > unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment. By > Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is > punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever > is greater, for each violation." In <Pine.OSF.3.93.970222155653.17923H-100000@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Seth Argabright <sa228595@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> writes: > > Great. Another Gharlane. Just what we need. > You should be so lucky. But don't worry about it; although "Prowler"'s math and logic are valid, he needs a bit more practice on the spelling, yet. *grin*

1997-02-23 00:00:00 - Re: Land of the Giants (Was:Exodus Part 1 Can you say STUPID!!!) - (Bill Bickel <bbickel@cris.com>)


Gharlane of Eddore wrote: > > > Bill Bickel <bbickel@cris.com> wrote: > > > > Why would there be a world of tall people anyway? Did evolution on > > that world just create life on a larger scale? That whole scenario > > didn't make any sense to me. Just for the record, I wasn't the one who wrote this. Somewhere along the way, somebody miscounted >'s. -Bill

1997-02-23 00:00:00 - Re: Land of the Giants - (al51@cornell.edu)


No, then you have to explain the impossibility of small people. Make a person really small and their surface area to body mass ratio increases to the point that they lose heat so fast they die in minutes. There is a reason tiny mammals like mice eat their own weight in food everyday (or at least a much higher percentage than we do). In article <19970223033400.WAA11185@ladder02.news.aol.com>, psybot@aol.com (Psybot) wrote: >How about an error in the timer that made Quinn smaller? Then you don't >have to explain the impossibility of big people? > >--SB

1997-02-23 00:00:00 - Re: Land of the Giants - (mdfst12+@pitt.edu)


In article <5epr6h$khh@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu>, Adam Littman <al51@cornell.edu> wrote: >No, then you have to explain the impossibility of small people. Make a person >really small and their surface area to body mass ratio increases to the point >that they lose heat so fast they die in minutes. There is a reason tiny >mammals like mice eat their own weight in food everyday (or at least a much >higher percentage than we do). How 'bout Quinn and Maggie jump into a virtual reality simulator. It's a game that kids play or something. Hey, they did it in the season opener. - Mike, 20 minutes into the future. -- Michael Friedman |"You tried your best, and you failed miserably. mdfst12+@pitt.edu | The lesson is: never try." - Homer Simpson hrivnak@havoc.gtf.gatech.edu +----------------------------------------------- co-moderator of rec.arts.comics.creative http://www.pitt.edu/~mdfst12

1997-02-23 00:00:00 - Re: Exsodus Part 1 Can you say STUPID!!! - (gharlane@ccshp1.ccs.csus.edu)


On Sat, 22 Feb 1997 06:34:35 GMT, *mbaldi@ix.netcom.com* (Prowler) wrote: > > It is physically imposible for there to be 100' tall people. They > would be crushed under their own weight. > In <5eo9o2$cg0@sjx-ixn8.ix.netcom.com> denmar@ix.netcom.com(Dennis) writes: > > Dinosaurs that large once lived on this world without being crushed by > their own weight. However, you would have to wonder if human > physiology could function normally at that size. Would the 100' people > to be able to run around and play golf and do all the things that we > do, or would they be reduced to just slogging around at a snail's pace > munching on foliage? The answer is, of *course* something as big as a dinosaur could live in an oxynitrogen atmosphere, at one gee.... but it would most likely be *shaped* like a dinosaur, due to the load-bearing capacity of bones, and the limitations of normal metabolic processes. Make a 100'-tall man, put him on a golf course in a one-gee environment, and you get to watch him foreshorten as his bones crumble and he turns into a squishy bleeding pancake, collapsed under his own weight. We're talking pureed bleeding meat with bone splinters protruding, here. Does this communicate the situation, or should I get more graphic?

1997-02-23 00:00:00 - Re: Exsodus Part 1 Can you say STUPID!!! - (gharlane@ccshp1.ccs.csus.edu)


On Sat, 22 Feb 1997 06:34:35 GMT, *mbaldi@ix.netcom.com* (Prowler) wrote: > > It is physically imposible for there to be 100' tall people. > They would be crushed under their own weight. In <19970223130901.IAA20738@ladder02.news.aol.com> rightdude2@aol.com (RightDude2) writes: > > Not if their bones were made of a denser material,such as osmium or lead. > Try not to be quite so silly. Human bone is a multi-phase material, organically-grown crystalline composites of light metals (primarily calcium and phosphorous) in a collagen binder; it has all the tensile and compressive strength of any classic two-phase material, like fiberglass or monocrystalline metal fiber in an alloy matrix. By comparison, lead has all the strength of hot cream cheese. Osmium is only very slightly better. Think about it... with all the survival strategies that were tried by early life forms on this planet, if you could make better bones out of other materials, there'd be at least a few species on this planet already doing it! There is a *REASON* it's taken us centuries to come up with middle-weight alloy substitutes for bones, and we *still* can't make anything that works as well as natural bones....... some time look up what's available for replacement knee and hip joints, and ask yourself if we're likely to better middle-weight alloy substitutes, or if we'll end up using artificially-created light-metal ceramic composites to create multi-phase materials like the bones we've already GOT. Presuming you know enough freshman statics to do a stress analysis of what a human femur goes through every day, in the first place, of course. Please try to remember that there is a HUGE difference between DENSITY and TENSILE STRENGTH in the future. Your grades will improve.

1997-02-23 00:00:00 - Re: Exsodus Part 1 Can you say STUPID!!! - (denmar@ix.netcom.com)


In <330f75f0.27704664@nntp.ix.netcom.com> regnery@ix.netcom.com (George Matthew Regnery) writes: > >On Sat, 22 Feb 1997 06:34:35 GMT, *mbaldi@ix.netcom.com* (Prowler) >wrote: > >>It is physically imposible for there to be 100' tall people. They >>would be crushed under their own weight. Dinosaurs that large once lived on this world without being crushed by their own weight. However, you would have to wonder if human physiology could function normally at that size. Would the 100' people to be able to run around and play golf and do all the things that we do, or would they be reduced to just slogging around at a snail's pace munching on foliage?

1997-02-23 00:00:00 - Re: Land of the Giants - (psybot@aol.com)


How about an error in the timer that made Quinn smaller? Then you don't have to explain the impossibility of big people? --SB

1997-02-23 00:00:00 - Re: Land of the Giants - (*mbaldi@ix.netcom.com*)


psybot@aol.com (Psybot) wrote: >How about an error in the timer that made Quinn smaller? Then you don't >have to explain the impossibility of big people? Matter can be neither created nor destroyed. The amount of energy released and then absorbed in the reduction and then induction of a human to those proportions would be outragously large (big BOOM...we all remember A-bombs right?). Oh and before you start talking about how no matter was actually created or destroyed...just made smaller....then Quinn and friend would have sunk down a few dozen feet under their own weight (being all 175lbs of him was now pushing down on feet only a fraction of an inch square.) mbaldi@ix*netcom*com DO NOT SEND JUNK E-MAIL: "By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment. By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for each violation."

1997-02-23 00:00:00 - Re: Land of the Giants (Was:Exodus Part 1 Can you say STUPID!!!) - ("Brannon \"Ben\" Boren" <brannonb@u.washington.edu>)


Bill Bickel <bbickel@cris.com> wrote: > If you REALLY need an explanation, how about Bigworld's atmosphere was > altered ten years ago due to some sort of chemical warfare experiement. > Quinn and Maggie would have become accustomed to it given an hour or so, > but in the meantime, they were subject to hallucinations, such as > hundred-foot golfers and giant carnivorous rabbits. And how many straws did you manage to get with that desparate grasp? ;) Ben

1997-02-23 00:00:00 - Re: Exodus Part 1 Can you say... INCREDIBLE!!! - (*mbaldi@ix.netcom.com*)


jnanthony@aol.com (JnAnthony) wrote: >Not only did I like the episode, but I loved the "Bigworld" slide. It >reminded me of Dr. Shrinker, a show I used to love (and still do even >though I haven't seen it for a long time). I think the above statement speaks volumes about the posters taste. >Regarding all the criticism: Sliders is NOT a documentary. If it was, I >sure wouldn't be watching. It's entertainment. So they can get away with >making pulsars whatever they need them to be to fit the story......it's >possible on that world that's what pulsars are! First off, Sliders is marketed, written and intended to be a Science Fiction show...not a FANTASY show.....thats why they use an electronic device, and not a (let me see if I can get in touch with the posters level) magic power crystal. they have science consultants on the staff. Yes its entertainment, but the reason we are in such a fluster is not because the show is unrealistic, its because the show is unrealistic, and THEY DON'T KNOW, OR CARE. And no, pulsars are pulsars, and could not be what was depicted on the show. > And as for the 100 foot >tall humans, hey, I loved that world! I would refer to the senders point of origin, but I believe that he has been tramatized enough by all the busy signals he must have had to put up with before getting the chance to voice his opinion. >The whole basis for the show is fiction (unless you really believe your >next door neighbors might be sliders). And for whoever doesn't like next >week's episode, watch Family Matters....maybe you'll find that more >believable. Its a SCIENCE fiction show....they have just convienently forgoten what science is. mbaldi@ix*netcom*com DO NOT SEND JUNK E-MAIL: "By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment. By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for each violation."

1997-02-23 00:00:00 - Re: Land of the Giants (Was:Exodus Part 1 Can you say STUPID!!!) - (Bill Bickel <bbickel@cris.com>)


Brannon "Ben" Boren wrote: > > Bill Bickel <bbickel@cris.com> wrote: > > If you REALLY need an explanation, how about Bigworld's atmosphere was > > altered ten years ago due to some sort of chemical warfare experiement. > > Quinn and Maggie would have become accustomed to it given an hour or so, > > but in the meantime, they were subject to hallucinations, such as > > hundred-foot golfers and giant carnivorous rabbits. > > And how many straws did you manage to get with that desparate grasp? > ;) People are being overpaid to write storylines that make sense; I'm only a volunteer. On the other hand, I probably put more thought into it than they did. Seriously, though... My point was, there CAN be an answer (the truth is out there), but a one-minute scene just didn't cry out for an on-screen explanation. Bill

1997-02-23 00:00:00 - Re: Exsodus Part 1 Can you say STUPID!!! - (shadowm@ripco.com)


Zinc (metalhead@asan.com) wrote: : >It is physically imposible for there to be 100' tall people. They : >would be crushed under their own weight. : Why would there be a world of tall people anyway? Did evolution on : that world just create life on a larger scale? That whole scenario : didn't make any sense to me. Were there tall people--or just big bunnies? Maybe it was a world where Monty Python was reality? ;) (reference: Monty Python & the Holy Grail) (The killer bunny) --jp-- --jp-- : ______________________________ -- j.p. paulus 4625 N. Kenmore Avenue #2 shadowm@ripco.com Chicago IL 60640-5024 http://pages.ripco.com:8080/~shadowm/index.html 773/784-5640 ********************** GO GOD!!!!! ************************

1997-02-23 00:00:00 - Re: Land of the Giants (Was:Exodus Part 1 Can you say STUPID!!!) - (gharlane@ccshp1.ccs.csus.edu)


I've been scrupulously ignoring the Giant People Bit, but this has gotten to me.... I've avoided even commenting on Giant People since Irwin Allen stopped polluting the airwaves. However..... Zinc wrote: > > It is physically imposible for there to be 100' tall people. > They would be crushed under their own weight. > Aside from the missing "s" this is 100% correct. Bill Bickel <bbickel@cris.com> wrote: > > Why would there be a world of tall people anyway? Did evolution on > that world just create life on a larger scale? That whole scenario > didn't make any sense to me. > It shouldn't. Just remember the "square-cube law," sometimes called the "cube-square law." Simply put: If you double the size of something, you square the cross-section and cube the volume. Think of a cube.... if you double the linear size, any face is increased four times in area, and the volume is eight times larger. So if you make a man TWICE as tall, the cross-sectional area of his muscles and bones is four times larger, but his mass is eight times greater. Result: things start breaking from the load as size increases. There is a REASON that an elephant doesn't have the same proportions as a mouse, and it's not just sheer contrariness. In <330f7d51.1291548@news.tiac.net> Jlundell@JLPHOTO.COM writes: > > Perhaps there was fundamentaly diferent with this universe. Perhaps in > this universe matter is just naturaly bigger. > Then the gravity should not have been the same, and the air should have been unbreathable. ...At the very least. And the Giants' Voices should have been many octaves into the subsonic. Et cetera.

1997-02-23 00:00:00 - Giant World was Re: Exsodus Part 1 Can you say STUPID!!! - (rightdude2@aol.com)


On Sat, 22 Feb 1997 06:34:35 GMT, *mbaldi@ix.netcom.com* (Prowler) wrote: >It is physically imposible for there to be 100' tall people. They >would be crushed under their own weight. Not if their bones were made of a denser material such as osmium or lead. RightDude2 Defender of right-wing ideology "Bill Clinton-Lyin' King " Check out these web sites: http://www.rushonline.com http://www.rtside.com/rtside

1997-02-23 00:00:00 - Re: Exsodus Part 1 Can you say STUPID!!! - (rightdude2@aol.com)


On Sat, 22 Feb 1997 06:34:35 GMT, *mbaldi@ix.netcom.com* (Prowler) wrote: >It is physically imposible for there to be 100' tall people. They >would be crushed under their own weight. Not if their bones were made of a denser material,such as osmium or lead. RightDude2 Defender of right-wing ideology "Bill Clinton-Lyin' King " Check out these web sites: http://www.rushonline.com http://www.rtside.com/rtside

1997-02-24 00:00:00 - Re: Exodus Part 1 Can you say... INCREDIBLE!!! - (mkochinski@aol.com)


Well... next week they actually slide to a world where pigs have wings...

1997-02-24 00:00:00 - Re: Land of the Giants (Was:Exodus Part 1 Can you say STUPID!!!) - (kbg00@cas.org)


In article <330F467B.3252@cris.com> Bill Bickel <bbickel@cris.com> writes: >Zinc wrote: >> >> >It is physically imposible for there to be 100' tall people. They >> >would be crushed under their own weight. >> >> Why would there be a world of tall people anyway? Did evolution on >> that world just create life on a larger scale? That whole scenario >> didn't make any sense to me. > >I think an alternate Earth that exists for only a 5-minute scene >requires a lot less justification than one which takes up an entire >episode. >Especially since the purpose was clearly to teach Maggie a lesson. > I must admit, when the rabbit came in, all I could picture in my mind was Quinn saying "That's no ordinary rabbit" in a heavy Scottish accent. Some one on Sliders must be a Monty Python fan.... Cheers, Ken Gilbert kgilbert@cas.org standard disclaimer here

1997-02-24 00:00:00 - PIGS IS PIGS. Re: Exodus Part 1 Can you say... INCREDIBLE!!! - (gharlane@ccshp1.ccs.csus.edu)


In <19970224161601.LAA03681@ladder02.news.aol.com> mkochinski@aol.com (MKochinski) writes: > > Well... next week they actually slide to a world where pigs have wings... > Well, we'll buy it.... *IF* they're Really Little Pigs, or if it's a planet with Really Dense Air and Low Gravity, or if someone comes up with a valid rationale for why something shaped and densed like a pig can fly using wings less than ten feet long..... But we'll *excuse* it if someone on the writing staff at least had the originality to refer to them as "pig-eons," and all the statues we see are encrusted with *BROWN* stuff....... ================================================================= Lessee, now.... presuming STP (standard temperature/pressure) and one gee, a fifty-pound China White, presuming a NON-hyperkinetic metabolism, could at least *glide* on wings with about 1/3 the surface area of the standard hang-glider......... but there's nowhere on a pig-body to put the musculature to *flap* wings in that size range. Piggy would have to have a three-foot keelbone in place of the sternum analog, just to anchor the pectorals, and the pecs would probably mass more than the pig, and then you'd need circulatory and oxygenation capacity to *support* the muscles, and some way to provide fuel to the muscle cells.......by which time you're too heavy to fly and need much bigger wings, and so on..... And a Classic California Forest Boar would need thirty-foot wings just to glide...... Nope, I don't think it's going to work. You need to go down to about a fifth or a sixth of standard gee, with STP air, before land-going vertebrates have enough muscle power available to keep themselves aloft by flapping.......

1997-02-24 00:00:00 - Re: Land of the Giants (Was:Exodus Part 1 Can you say STUPID!!!) - (auntbonn@ix.netcom.com)


In <5enk92$qr8@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> *mbaldi@ix.netcom.com* (Prowler) writes: > >Bill Bickel <bbickel@cris.com> wrote: > >>Zinc wrote: >>> >>> >It is physically imposible for there to be 100' tall people. They >>> >would be crushed under their own weight. >>> >>> Why would there be a world of tall people anyway? Did evolution on >>> that world just create life on a larger scale? That whole scenario >>> didn't make any sense to me. How do we know it wasn't Quinn and Maggie who, maybe, shrunk? Would that be a possible explaination? Though, I suppose, that wouldn't make any better sense than there being giants.

1997-02-24 00:00:00 - Re: Exodus Part 1 Can you say... INCREDIBLE!!! - (al51@cornell.edu)


In article <thirteen-ya023580002402970614260001@news.fred.net>, thirteen@fred.net (Brad Ferguson) wrote: >In article <19970222213300.QAA03420@ladder02.news.aol.com>, >jnanthony@aol.com (JnAnthony) wrote: >> Regarding all the criticism: Sliders is NOT a documentary. If it was, I >> sure wouldn't be watching. It's entertainment. So they can get away with >> making pulsars whatever they need them to be to fit the story......it's >> possible on that world that's what pulsars are! And as for the 100 foot >> tall humans, hey, I loved that world! >> >> The whole basis for the show is fiction (unless you really believe your >> next door neighbors might be sliders). And for whoever doesn't like next >> week's episode, watch Family Matters....maybe you'll find that more >> believable. > > >That attitude is exactly the kind of thing that tends to keep good, >watchable science fiction off television. > >Say you're making a Western set in 1870. You have the usual horses and >cows and what-all, but you decide that your story that week would be a lot >more exciting if you dropped in a Huey helicopter with attack missiles. >You don't provide any explanation for this. You just do it. LOL I love the analogy, mind if I use it myself?

1997-02-24 00:00:00 - Re: Giant World was Re: Exsodus Part 1 Can you say STUPID!!! - (*mbaldi@ix.netcom.com*)


rightdude2@aol.com (RightDude2) wrote: >On Sat, 22 Feb 1997 06:34:35 GMT, *mbaldi@ix.netcom.com* (Prowler) >wrote: >>It is physically imposible for there to be 100' tall people. They >>would be crushed under their own weight. > Not if their bones were made of a denser material such as osmium or >lead. Yeah....or maybe they had Heisenberge compensated Quad-lithium duotronic dechion field emiters which increased the structual integrity? mbaldi@ix*netcom*com DO NOT SEND JUNK E-MAIL: "By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment. By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for each violation."

1997-02-24 00:00:00 - Re: Exsodus Part 1 Can you say STUPID!!! - (*mbaldi@ix.netcom.com*)


shadowm@ripco.com (John Paulus) wrote: >Zinc (metalhead@asan.com) wrote: >: >It is physically imposible for there to be 100' tall people. They >: >would be crushed under their own weight. >: Why would there be a world of tall people anyway? Did evolution on >: that world just create life on a larger scale? That whole scenario >: didn't make any sense to me. >Were there tall people--or just big bunnies? Maybe it was a world where >Monty Python was reality? ;) (reference: Monty Python & the Holy Grail) >(The killer bunny) Yea, my girlfriend didnt get it when I started in my best (which isnt very good) Mony Python voice....Oh its just a bunny that what they all say just a little bunny....ah well, at least I was laughing. mbaldi@ix*netcom*com DO NOT SEND JUNK E-MAIL: "By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment. By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for each violation."

1997-02-24 00:00:00 - Re: Exsodus Part 1 Can you say STUPID!!! - (thirteen@fred.net)


In article <5ent2d$esj@tom.unix.amherst.edu>, gdsimpso@unix.amherst.edu (GILBERTO DANIEL SIMPSON) wrote: > : It is physically imposible for there to be 100' tall people. They > : would be crushed under their own weight. > > > Is it possible that the universe they were in had a different G? > If so, Quinn and Woo-woo should have been able to leap tall golfers in a single bound. They acted as if they were in a one-gee field, so they were. -- Stop by http://www.fred.net/thirteen/

1997-02-24 00:00:00 - Re: Exodus Part 1 Can you say... INCREDIBLE!!! - (thirteen@fred.net)


In article <19970222213300.QAA03420@ladder02.news.aol.com>, jnanthony@aol.com (JnAnthony) wrote: > Not only did I like the episode, but I loved the "Bigworld" slide. It > reminded me of Dr. Shrinker, a show I used to love (and still do even > though I haven't seen it for a long time). > > Regarding all the criticism: Sliders is NOT a documentary. If it was, I > sure wouldn't be watching. It's entertainment. So they can get away with > making pulsars whatever they need them to be to fit the story......it's > possible on that world that's what pulsars are! And as for the 100 foot > tall humans, hey, I loved that world! > > The whole basis for the show is fiction (unless you really believe your > next door neighbors might be sliders). And for whoever doesn't like next > week's episode, watch Family Matters....maybe you'll find that more > believable. That attitude is exactly the kind of thing that tends to keep good, watchable science fiction off television. Say you're making a Western set in 1870. You have the usual horses and cows and what-all, but you decide that your story that week would be a lot more exciting if you dropped in a Huey helicopter with attack missiles. You don't provide any explanation for this. You just do it. That is precisely what SLIDERS has been doing, in all sorts of ways. SLIDERS can be allowed its silly inter-dimensional gimmick if _everything_ else is legitimate or at least plausible. The pulsar thing is not only implausible, it is utterly ridiculous. It is as wrong as a pig with wings. But go right ahead and eat it up. Sucker. -- Stop by http://www.fred.net/thirteen/

1997-02-25 00:00:00 - Re: PIGS IS PIGS. Re: Exodus Part 1 Can you say... INCREDIBLE!!! - (dfowler955@aol.com)


Even if the pigs have wings in a world this week, why assume they can fly? Look at the ostrich, turkey, or penguin; they sure don't get very far off the ground. The wrath of man does not produce the righteousness of God ---- James 1:20 "When that One Great Scorer comes to mark against your name, He writes not whether you won or lost, but how you played the game." ---- Grantland Rice

1997-02-26 00:00:00 - Re: Land of the Giants (Was:Exodus Part 1 Can you say STUPID!!!) - ("Darrel W. Beach" <dbeach@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca>)


> In article <330F467B.3252@cris.com> Bill Bickel <bbickel@cris.com> writes: > >Zinc wrote: > >> > >> >It is physically imposible for there to be 100' tall people. They > >> >would be crushed under their own weight. > >> > >> Why would there be a world of tall people anyway? Did evolution on > >> that world just create life on a larger scale? That whole scenario > >> didn't make any sense to me. > > My brother rationalized that on Giantworld, most likely the base size of a molecule is slightly larger. I'm still rather skeptical. -- "It's hard to fly like an eagle when you're surrounded by a bunch of turkeys." - Don Cherry

1997-02-28 00:00:00 - Re: Exodus Part 1 Can you say... INCREDIBLE!!! - (Percy Hui <percy@cyberdude.com>)


MKochinski <mkochinski@aol.com> wrote in article <19970224161601.LAA03681@ladder02.news.aol.com>... > Well... next week they actually slide to a world where pigs have wings... > hey, any chance of hell freezing over? =)

1997-03-01 00:00:00 - Re: Exodus Part 1/Giant World - (Adrian Appleberry <xfiles@patriotcom.com>)


> >It is physically imposible for there to be 100' tall people. They > >would be crushed under their own weight. > > Why would there be a world of tall people anyway? Did evolution on > that world just create life on a larger scale? That whole scenario > didn't make any sense to me. Why not? This is fiction, you know - and besides, it wasn't like that was the main plot in the story - just something different to through in there for laughs. I imagine that it's not easy making up new worlds every week. :)

1997-03-01 00:00:00 - Re: Exodus Part 1/Giant World - (jcarlino <jcarlino@ix.netcom.com>)


>It is physically imposible for there to be 100' tall people. They >would be crushed under their own weight. > > Why would there be a world of tall people anyway? Did evolution on > that world just create life on a larger scale? That whole scenario > didn't make any sense to me. Suppose that this Earth had a lower gravity? Just a slightly lower content of heavy metals would mean a smaller surface gravity. A lower surface gravity would allow animals to grow larger. If the amount of gravity was only slightly smaller perhaps the Sliders would not have noticed, after all it isn't like they could judge how much they could lift in that unfamiliar environment. All That is Gold Does Not Glitter Not All Who Wnader Are Lost I.T.C.

1997-03-01 00:00:00 - Re: Exodus Part 1 Can you say... INCREDIBLE!!! - (puz1@aol.com)


Nope. AnnieM

1997-03-02 00:00:00 - Re: Exodus Part 1/Giant World - (cook@sos.sos.net)


"Adrian Appleberry" <xfiles@patriotcom.com> wrote: >> >It is physically imposible for there to be 100' tall people. They >> >would be crushed under their own weight. >> >> Why would there be a world of tall people anyway? Did evolution on >> that world just create life on a larger scale? That whole scenario >> didn't make any sense to me. >Why not? This is fiction, you know - and besides, it wasn't like that was >the main plot in the story - just something different to through in there >for laughs. I imagine that it's not easy making up new worlds every week. >:) AAAAAAAIIIEEEEE! (scream of frustration) Just because you're writing fiction doesn't mean you throw basic facts about the real world out the window. If you're writing an out-and-out fantasy, OK, no problem, have your 100-foot tall golfers and your killer bunny rabbits. On a show like Sliders, that at least makes the pretense of being scientifically based, it's inexcusible. As for thinking up new worlds, how about this; Quinn and Ms. Personality slide into a field, look up, and see a giant gas-bag creature hovering over head. It starts dropping down jellyfish-like tentacles to grab them- they dash into a tunnel. Skulking in the tunnel is a large-but-cute looking critter- (maybe TPTB could have altered the rabbit somehow..) She gets too close and it shows its fangs. They slide out. Same result as what they filmed, but at least it takes a vague stab at scientific accuracy. Robert M. Cook cook@sos.net http://www.sos.net/home/cook/index2.htm

1997-03-04 00:00:00 - Re: Land of the Giants (Was:Exodus Part 1 Can you say STUPID!!!) - (eddieblake@aol.com)


Obviously, this scene was just an homage to the Land of the Giants TV series by Irwin Allen anyway. "Alas, I was a thousand times more evil than thou." || "No Hope = No Fear" --Stormbringer || --Type O Negative

1997-03-04 00:00:00 - Re: Land of the Giants (Was:Exodus Part 1 Can you say STUPID!!!) - (eddieblake@aol.com)


Hasn't it already been established that on some worlds (they are, after all, other DIMENSIONS) that the laws of physics are completely different than the ones that we are accustomed to? I think that we're all overanalyzing this a bit much. It doesn't really matter what the scientific explanation of this scene is when you take into account that it was simply an homage to Irwin Allen's Land of the Giants and the fact that maybe, just maybe, they slid onto a world where physics just doesn't work the same way it does on our Earth. "Alas, I was a thousand times more evil than thou." || "No Hope = No Fear" --Stormbringer || --Type O Negative

1997-03-05 00:00:00 - Re: Exsodus Part 1 Can you say STUPID!!! - (redbng@aol.com)


i'm scared.... that there are people out there that think that it's perfectly acceptable for 100' tall humans, with the same genetic make- up and geneology, to be roaming the earth without severe gravitational effects... or if they didn't suffer those effects because of "unusual gravitational" specifics, that the sliders didn't experience the opposite effects... c'mon folks! this is the same arguement that was resolved 40 yrs ago when "the incredible shrinking man" was first released... in other words, the two types of humans could NOT exist in the same world! RedBng@aol.com "Oh, man ... in my next life, I'm coming back as a toilet brush."

1997-03-05 00:00:00 - Re: Exsodus Part 1 Can you say STUPID!!! - (thirteen@fred.net)


In article <19970305144700.JAA25849@ladder01.news.aol.com>, redbng@aol.com wrote: > i'm scared.... > > that there are people out there that think that it's perfectly > acceptable for 100' tall humans, with the same genetic make- > up and geneology, to be roaming the earth without severe > gravitational effects... or if they didn't suffer those effects because > of "unusual gravitational" specifics, that the sliders didn't experience > the opposite effects... > > c'mon folks! this is the same arguement that was resolved 40 yrs > ago when "the incredible shrinking man" was first released... > > in other words, the two types of humans could NOT exist in the > same world! Good point, bringing up THE INCREDIBLE SHRINKING MAN. At the core of that movie is an impossibility, around which is a careful wall of fact and agreeable conjecture. Audiences can accept the core impossibility if you don't insult their intelligence by slathering on additional nonsense. That's why, in MAN, you can concentrate on the perils faced by the tiny guy. The only unlikelihood is the one you face at the outset. That's why the movie works, and why SLIDERS frequently doesn't. Ours is an increasingly befuddled nation that spends hundreds of millions each year on psychic hotlines. I'm not surprised SLIDERS thinks it can afford to wallow in stupidity, even easily avoidable stupidity. Unfortunately, getting the little stuff wrong not only hurts the core concept, it also shows a certain contempt for the audience. What is bothersome is that some folks here seem willing to excuse every sin against smarts SLIDERS makes because the show is "entertainment." -- Stop by http://www.fred.net/thirteen/

1997-03-06 00:00:00 - Re: Exsodus Part 1 Can you say STUPID!!! - (al51@cornell.edu)


In article <thirteen-ya023580000503971810080001@news.fred.net>, thirteen@fred.net (Brad Ferguson) wrote: >Ours is an increasingly befuddled nation that spends hundreds of millions >each year on psychic hotlines. I'm not surprised SLIDERS thinks it can Really 100s of millions? Was there a report on that or is that an estimate by you? (please answer, I am genuinely curious) ___________ Adam Littman / ^ \ AL51@cornell.edu /\ / \ /\ /__\__/___\__/__\ / \( ) ( )/ \ \ /\ o /\ / \ / \( )/ \ / "Four minutes twenty-two seconds, \/____\_/____\/ Baldric, you owe me a groat" \ \ / --Blackadder \ / \ / ---------

1997-03-08 00:00:00 - Re: Exsodus Part 1 Can you say STUPID!!! - (forge@magicnet.net)


> Ours is an increasingly befuddled nation that spends hundreds of millions > each year on psychic hotlines. I'm not surprised SLIDERS thinks it can > afford to wallow in stupidity, even easily avoidable stupidity. Wandering offtopic but... "Ours is an increasingly befuddled nation that spends hundreds of millions each year on psychic hotlines." ***In spite of the fact that when famed tabloid psychic Jeanie Dixon died, all her friends and associates and especially the people at Psychic Friends Hotline were heard to say, "This was so unexpected."