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2000-06-06 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (kemosabe@skyenet.net)


On Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:15:05 +0100, "Allie Andrews" <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk> wrote: |"Fancy a quickie" Masked Man---->LOL!! -- Who was that masked man?

2000-06-06 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com>)


DBR wroteded: > Does he realize how badly he's hated on usenet? It's not so much hated as people would like to use him as kindling ...

2000-06-06 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Helen & Bob <chil-out@ix.netcom.com>)


Zabana Brandon wrote: > DBR wroteded: > > > Does he realize how badly he's hated on usenet? > > It's not so much hated as people would like to use > him as kindling ... In comparing the number of people on usenet/newsgroups to the general population and the total number of people who watch the show, do you think he gives a rats ass? Bob

2000-06-06 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Doreen Hartz <dthartz@inwave.com>)


"Chris W." <el_capitano@geocities.com> wrote in message news:393d4f50_2@binaries.vphos.net... > > "Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:r8hqjssr5uq50clgk04ndqspd4knupspla@4ax.com... > > > He doesn't know. And *he* at least *does* get storylines. Of course > > he'd rant about how little he gets and how he hates it... instead of > > being thankful that he gets something *at all* - not everybody is that > > lucky :-((((( > > Chakotay got less in season 6 than Tuvok or Neelix, and unlike those two, > most of what Chakotay got sucked. The most significant Chakotay episode, > "One Small Step", made him look like a fool. In "Equinox 2", when he finally > shows signs of life, he's relieved of duty. Of all the characters seaon 6 > has been unkind to, Chakotay's the one who got it the worst. > > Chris W. > > Thank you Chris. My feelings exactly... and if it weren't for those 30 seconds of beautiful dimples in each episode, I wouldn't be watching this show any longer. Doreen

2000-06-06 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Michele <belanna@uswest.net>)


Doreen Hartz wrote: > > "Chris W." <el_capitano@geocities.com> wrote in message > news:393d4f50_2@binaries.vphos.net... > > > > "Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:r8hqjssr5uq50clgk04ndqspd4knupspla@4ax.com... > > > > > He doesn't know. And *he* at least *does* get storylines. Of course > > > he'd rant about how little he gets and how he hates it... instead of > > > being thankful that he gets something *at all* - not everybody is that > > > lucky :-((((( > > > > Chakotay got less in season 6 than Tuvok or Neelix, and unlike those two, > > most of what Chakotay got sucked. The most significant Chakotay episode, > > "One Small Step", made him look like a fool. In "Equinox 2", when he > finally > > shows signs of life, he's relieved of duty. Of all the characters seaon 6 > > has been unkind to, Chakotay's the one who got it the worst. > > > > Chris W. > > > > > Thank you Chris. > My feelings exactly... > and if it weren't for those 30 seconds of beautiful dimples in each episode, > I wouldn't be watching this show any longer. > > Doreen I have to agree with both of you. I have barely seen chak this season. -- Michele "take the cheese to sickbay" B'elanna What is the phrase heard most often in Voyager's Mess Hall? "Medical Emergency!!!" What did the blonde Klingon say? It was a good day to dye.

2000-06-06 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


DBR wrote > > > > I didn't know this..... What you didnt know we were going????? How could you have missed our zillion posts on how excited we were? > > Ask him how he feels about his role as Chakotay. Does he realize how badly > he's hated on usenet? Is he aware the stories/scripts he's given usually > suck ass? These sound like good questions, but I will probably be too star struck to ask them, so I shall suggest these to Therese as the older wiser person to ask <g> > >

2000-06-06 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Chris W." <el_capitano@geocities.com> wrote in message news:393d4f50_2@binaries.vphos.net... > > "Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:r8hqjssr5uq50clgk04ndqspd4knupspla@4ax.com... > > > He doesn't know. And *he* at least *does* get storylines. Of course > > he'd rant about how little he gets and how he hates it... instead of > > being thankful that he gets something *at all* - not everybody is that > > lucky :-((((( > > Chakotay got less in season 6 than Tuvok or Neelix, and unlike those two, > most of what Chakotay got sucked. The most significant Chakotay episode, > "One Small Step", made him look like a fool. In "Equinox 2", when he finally > shows signs of life, he's relieved of duty. Of all the characters seaon 6 > has been unkind to, Chakotay's the one who got it the worst. Yep, I agree with all that you say here. Its been his most disappointing season ever, storywise, although I have got the feeling that he enjoyed the eps where he got to interact with the crew other than LooneyTune Janeway.

2000-06-06 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Tue, 06 Jun 2000 19:45:09 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >DBR wrote >> >> >> >> I didn't know this..... > >What you didnt know we were going????? How could you have missed our >zillion posts on how excited we were? > just prepare yourself for a *major* disappointment! He's not at all the way you imagine him! >> >> Ask him how he feels about his role as Chakotay. Does he realize how badly >> he's hated on usenet? Is he aware the stories/scripts he's given usually >> suck ass? > >These sound like good questions, but I will probably be too star struck to >ask them, so I shall suggest these to Therese as the older wiser person to >ask <g> > you won't be star struck around him - just looking for a way to get out of there - away from that arrogant guy Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-06 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Tue, 06 Jun 2000 19:45:10 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: > >"Chris W." <el_capitano@geocities.com> wrote in message >news:393d4f50_2@binaries.vphos.net... >> >> "Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:r8hqjssr5uq50clgk04ndqspd4knupspla@4ax.com... >> >> > He doesn't know. And *he* at least *does* get storylines. Of course >> > he'd rant about how little he gets and how he hates it... instead of >> > being thankful that he gets something *at all* - not everybody is that >> > lucky :-((((( >> >> Chakotay got less in season 6 than Tuvok or Neelix, and unlike those two, >> most of what Chakotay got sucked. The most significant Chakotay episode, >> "One Small Step", made him look like a fool. In "Equinox 2", when he >finally >> shows signs of life, he's relieved of duty. Of all the characters seaon 6 >> has been unkind to, Chakotay's the one who got it the worst. > > >Yep, I agree with all that you say here. Its been his most disappointing >season ever, storywise, he still fares far better, screentimewise than Tuvok in any of the last three... >lthough I have got the feeling that he enjoyed the >eps where he got to interact with the crew other than LooneyTune Janeway. > as well he should. His constant complaints about how poorly "men" are being treated on Voyager, when he has a lion's share of the screentime were completely uncalled for. Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-06 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - ("Chris W." <el_capitano@geocities.com>)


"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:ulkqjs03ldf4bkppmto1afehb8j9kmn44q@4ax.com... > >Chakotay got less in season 6 than Tuvok or Neelix, and unlike those two, > > maybe less than Neelix, but it's impossible to beat Tuvok with his > no-lines and one-lines :-((((((((( Depends on how you look at it. Out of all the characters on Voyager, Tuvok has arguably fared the best out of all of them. He hasn't been written as an immature jerk like Tom. He's allowed to learn things and be thought of as One Who Knows A Lot Of Things, unlike Harry. He's not a yes-man, like Chakotay. He isn't written to look like an idiot on a regular basis, like Neelix. He hasn't become a charicature of himself, like Holodoc and Seven. He isn't boinking a hologram, like Janeway. And he's often shown doing the job he's supposed to, unlike Torres. And there's no chance he'll get the kind of treatment Kes did in "Fury". Yes, they had him falling asleep on the bridge, but that's *one incident* in six seasons. He's had it the best out of all the cast. > >most of what Chakotay got sucked. The most significant Chakotay episode, > >"One Small Step", made him look like a fool. In "Equinox 2", when he finally > >shows signs of life, he's relieved of duty. Of all the characters seaon 6 > >has been unkind to, Chakotay's the one who got it the worst. > > > > at least he *did* have scenes and screentime and lines... in *every* > episode... Screen time is not all it's cracked up to be. Look how much screen time Picardo got in "Virtuoso" and look how sick people are of Holodoc now. People started hating Seven because of all the screen time she got in season 4. Every time the Borg get screen time, they get worse and worse. RDM had oodles of screen time in "Someone to Watch Over Me" and "Spirit Folk", and it killed his character. You can't still think that Tim Russ will have difficulty finding a career after Voyager. Hell, "Meld" alone will get him whatever show he wants, not to mention his excellent performance in "Riddles". Plus, he directed a fan-favorite episode: "Living Witness". Who else in the cast can claim that? Chris W.

2000-06-06 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Tue, 6 Jun 2000 12:07:12 -0500, "Darth Ta'" <tateria@yahoo.com> wrote: > >Allie Andrews <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk> wrote in message >news:8hitin$kfn$1@plutonium.compulink.co.uk... >> I will probably regret asking this (but I am a glutton for >> punishment)...........As many of you know Lisa, Therese & >I are off to "An >> Evening with Robert Beltran" on Saturday, anyway, I have >been racking my >> brains to think of a good question to ask him and >typically can't come up >> with anything better than "Fancy a >quickie".....................So, do any >> of you have any suggestions? > >Your acting style: Wood or Cardboard? > ><eg> > LOL!!! Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-06 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:15:05 +0100, "Allie Andrews" <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk> wrote: >I will probably regret asking this (but I am a glutton for >punishment)...........As many of you know Lisa, Therese & I are off to "An >Evening with Robert Beltran" on Saturday, anyway, I have been racking my >brains to think of a good question to ask him and typically can't come up >with anything better than "Fancy a quickie".....................So, do any >of you have any suggestions? > Why would you want to ask him a question? He doesn't answer those anyway! :-((((((( Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-06 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Tue, 06 Jun 2000 06:35:26 -0700, Michele <belanna@uswest.net> wrote: >Allie Andrews wrote: >> >> I will probably regret asking this (but I am a glutton for >> punishment)...........As many of you know Lisa, Therese & I are off to "An >> Evening with Robert Beltran" on Saturday, anyway, I have been racking my >> brains to think of a good question to ask him and typically can't come up >> with anything better than "Fancy a quickie".....................So, do any >> of you have any suggestions? >> >> Allie >> x > >Ah, allie is a perv. Ask when he and the others will have >good storylines. That does not include seven. > He doesn't know. And *he* at least *does* get storylines. Of course he'd rant about how little he gets and how he hates it... instead of being thankful that he gets something *at all* - not everybody is that lucky :-((((( Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-06 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On 6 Jun 2000 14:40:03 GMT, "Citizen G'Kar" <Narns@allEXCEPTSPAMisurvey.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > > >Allie Andrews <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk> wrote in article ><8hitin$kfn$1@plutonium.compulink.co.uk>... >> I will probably regret asking this (but I am a glutton for >> punishment)...........As many of you know Lisa, Therese & I are off to >"An >> Evening with Robert Beltran" on Saturday, anyway, I have been racking my >> brains to think of a good question to ask him and typically can't come up >> with anything better than "Fancy a quickie".....................So, do >any >> of you have any suggestions? > >"Why did you stop acting after Initiations?" > LOL! Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-06 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Tue, 06 Jun 2000 16:33:52 GMT, Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com> wrote: >Citizen G'Kar wroteded: > >> "Why did you stop acting after Initiations?" > >Response: > >"Well, that's a very good question. I think >that what it comes down to, is that all of >the prosthetic foreheads in the particular >episode really, really creeped me out. I >mean, who wouldn't be creeped out, right? >Plus ... you know, I rarely ever got any- >thing good to work with. I mean, come on. >Tatoo. The Fight. Unforgettable, though >that did have Virginia Madsen and her hooters. >That whole storyline about Seska's baby. >Chakotay's Big Lay. Oh, wait. That one >was never filmed. But you get the idea. >So I figured, if they're gonna give me >this kind of crap, then why bother? Right?" Yeah - that's his attitude... :-(((((((( Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-06 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (DBR <assman.finalfrontier.com@home.com>)


Allie Andrews <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:8hitin$kfn$1@plutonium.compulink.co.uk... > I will probably regret asking this (but I am a glutton for > punishment)...........As many of you know Lisa, Therese & I are off to "An > Evening with Robert Beltran" on Saturday, anyway, I have been racking my > brains to think of a good question to ask him and typically can't come up > with anything better than "Fancy a quickie".....................So, do any > of you have any suggestions? > > Allie > x I didn't know this..... Ask him how he feels about his role as Chakotay. Does he realize how badly he's hated on usenet? Is he aware the stories/scripts he's given usually suck ass?

2000-06-06 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - ("Chris W." <el_capitano@geocities.com>)


"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:r8hqjssr5uq50clgk04ndqspd4knupspla@4ax.com... > He doesn't know. And *he* at least *does* get storylines. Of course > he'd rant about how little he gets and how he hates it... instead of > being thankful that he gets something *at all* - not everybody is that > lucky :-((((( Chakotay got less in season 6 than Tuvok or Neelix, and unlike those two, most of what Chakotay got sucked. The most significant Chakotay episode, "One Small Step", made him look like a fool. In "Equinox 2", when he finally shows signs of life, he's relieved of duty. Of all the characters seaon 6 has been unkind to, Chakotay's the one who got it the worst. Chris W.

2000-06-06 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Tue, 6 Jun 2000 12:20:39 -0700, "Chris W." <el_capitano@geocities.com> wrote: > >"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message >news:r8hqjssr5uq50clgk04ndqspd4knupspla@4ax.com... > >> He doesn't know. And *he* at least *does* get storylines. Of course >> he'd rant about how little he gets and how he hates it... instead of >> being thankful that he gets something *at all* - not everybody is that >> lucky :-((((( > >Chakotay got less in season 6 than Tuvok or Neelix, and unlike those two, maybe less than Neelix, but it's impossible to beat Tuvok with his no-lines and one-lines :-((((((((( >most of what Chakotay got sucked. The most significant Chakotay episode, >"One Small Step", made him look like a fool. In "Equinox 2", when he finally >shows signs of life, he's relieved of duty. Of all the characters seaon 6 >has been unkind to, Chakotay's the one who got it the worst. > at least he *did* have scenes and screentime and lines... in *every* episode... Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-06 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Darth Ta' <tateria@yahoo.com>)


Allie Andrews <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:8hitin$kfn$1@plutonium.compulink.co.uk... > I will probably regret asking this (but I am a glutton for > punishment)...........As many of you know Lisa, Therese & I are off to "An > Evening with Robert Beltran" on Saturday, anyway, I have been racking my > brains to think of a good question to ask him and typically can't come up > with anything better than "Fancy a quickie".....................So, do any > of you have any suggestions? Your acting style: Wood or Cardboard? <eg>

2000-06-06 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (VoyagerLady <voyagerlady13NOvoSPAM@yahoo.com.invalid>)


I saw mention of his movie "Night of the Comet." I actually liked that movie. It was funny. Ronda * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!

2000-06-06 00:00:00 - A question for Robert Beltran - (Allie Andrews <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk>)


I will probably regret asking this (but I am a glutton for punishment)...........As many of you know Lisa, Therese & I are off to "An Evening with Robert Beltran" on Saturday, anyway, I have been racking my brains to think of a good question to ask him and typically can't come up with anything better than "Fancy a quickie".....................So, do any of you have any suggestions? Allie x

2000-06-06 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Michele <belanna@uswest.net>)


Allie Andrews wrote: > > I will probably regret asking this (but I am a glutton for > punishment)...........As many of you know Lisa, Therese & I are off to "An > Evening with Robert Beltran" on Saturday, anyway, I have been racking my > brains to think of a good question to ask him and typically can't come up > with anything better than "Fancy a quickie".....................So, do any > of you have any suggestions? > > Allie > x Ah, allie is a perv. Ask when he and the others will have good storylines. That does not include seven. Michele "take the cheese to sickbay" B'elanna What is the phrase heard most often in Voyager's Mess Hall? "Medical Emergency!!!" What did the blonde Klingon say? It was a good day to dye.

2000-06-06 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Allie Andrews" <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:8hitin$kfn$1@plutonium.compulink.co.uk... > I will probably regret asking this (but I am a glutton for > punishment)...........As many of you know Lisa, Therese & I are off to "An > Evening with Robert Beltran" on Saturday, anyway, I have been racking my > brains to think of a good question to ask him and typically can't come up > with anything better than "Fancy a quickie".....................So, do any > of you have any suggestions? > Oh Allie, you are braver than me! I have had this post poised for weeks, but have been too scared to do it <g> Lisa

2000-06-06 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Citizen G'Kar <Narns@allEXCEPTSPAMisurvey.freeserve.co.uk>)


Allie Andrews <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk> wrote in article <8hitin$kfn$1@plutonium.compulink.co.uk>... > I will probably regret asking this (but I am a glutton for > punishment)...........As many of you know Lisa, Therese & I are off to "An > Evening with Robert Beltran" on Saturday, anyway, I have been racking my > brains to think of a good question to ask him and typically can't come up > with anything better than "Fancy a quickie".....................So, do any > of you have any suggestions? "Why did you stop acting after Initiations?" -- -- "Oh, go away. Repress someone else." http://www.onelist.com/group/CouroPrido

2000-06-06 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Allie Andrews <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk>)


Stevie-pops wrote : > Questions for Beltran: > > 1. "Is Chakotay's tattoo done with magic marker, or do they just have > you lie down and roll a tire over your forehead?" I like this one! Actually I just got off the phone with Flinx and he thinks we should all go there with tatoos on our forheads. I'm having one of a naked man. > 2. "Could you say 'I AM NOT JANEWAY'S BITCH!' in a really loud, Alpha > male voice?" Oooooooo yes......... > 3. "Why does Scarlett Pomers get better lines than you?" LOL > 4. "Does it bother you to hear people laughing about Night Of The Comet > whenever your acting resume is mentioned?" Actually I may well ask this one........... > 5. "Have you ever fantasized about having three English women shag you > like a wildebeest in heat?" On the other hand this one is the one to ask methinks! Allie x PS Alt.Sex.Elevators!!!!! You crack me up Stevie :-)

2000-06-06 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com>)


Citizen G'Kar wroteded: > "Why did you stop acting after Initiations?" Response: "Well, that's a very good question. I think that what it comes down to, is that all of the prosthetic foreheads in the particular episode really, really creeped me out. I mean, who wouldn't be creeped out, right? Plus ... you know, I rarely ever got any- thing good to work with. I mean, come on. Tatoo. The Fight. Unforgettable, though that did have Virginia Madsen and her hooters. That whole storyline about Seska's baby. Chakotay's Big Lay. Oh, wait. That one was never filmed. But you get the idea. So I figured, if they're gonna give me this kind of crap, then why bother? Right?"

2000-06-07 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - ("Chris W." <el_capitano@geocities.com>)


Julianna wrote: > >Depends on how you look at it. Out of all the characters on Voyager, Tuvok > >has arguably fared the best out of all of them. He hasn't been written as an > >immature jerk like Tom. He's allowed to learn things > > how to make desserts??? :-) How to make desserts, how to express his feelings, how much the crew really appreciates him, how Neelix interprets their friendship, etc. > > and be thought of as > >One Who Knows A Lot Of Things, > > what *does* he know that the others appreciate????? He is Janeway's chief tactical advisor. He is the one she trusts more than Chakotay. He knows Starfleet regulations inside and out; futhermore, he knows when to apply them and when not to. He is a mentor to Harry, Neelix, and, to a lesser degree, Torres. His knowledge of strategy and weapons is unsurpassed by anyone on Voyager. His mastery of logic is likewise unparalleled. He's the only crew member to actually be promoted during Voyager's six-year stint in the Delta Quadrant. He even helped buld the Delta Flyer! > >unlike Harry. He's not a yes-man, like > >Chakotay. He isn't written to look like an idiot on a regular basis, like > >Neelix. > > because unlike Neelix he barely ever shows up. And Neelix was *not > written to look like an idiot very often this season. Actually Neelix > was treated pretty well. Neelix was treated well this season. Just like Tuvok was treated well earlier on. Unfortunately, Neelix was poorly written the majority of the time we saw him, and has thus become associated with buffonish behaviour. The same is not true of Tuvok. > > He hasn't become a charicature of himself, like Holodoc and Seven. > > he hasn't? What about the non-existing pon farr, the space sickness, > the sleeping on the bridge????? The space sickness probably affected Vorik just as much as it did Tuvok. It was a particular anomaly that happened to affect Vulcans more than Humans. What's so unreasonable about that? The sleeping on the bridge is faulty execution of a well-intentioned idea, namely that Tuvok would work himself beyond his limits to assist Harry and B'Elanna. The non-existant pon farr is different. Do we even know it's missing? Sure there's been no mention of it, but that's probably the way Tuvok would like it to happen. Given TPTB's fondness as of late for stories that take place in the past, maybe we'll get Tuvok's pon farr story next year. > >He isn't boinking a hologram, like Janeway. And he's often shown doing the > >job he's supposed to, > > unless he's ill, injured or otherwise incapacitated He's head of Security, and thus the one person on the ship who is expected to be the most injured or incapacitated. > >unlike Torres. And there's no chance he'll get the > >kind of treatment Kes did in "Fury". Yes, they had him falling asleep on the > >bridge, but that's *one incident* in six seasons. > > and he gets constantly trashed by Tommy and can't help it and he got > space sick and dumped by Janeway to make room for Chucky... :-((((( Not constantly trashed by Paris. Besides, he gives as good as he gets. Remember his insubordinate insult to Paris on the bridge in "The Haunting of Deck 12"? Paris shut up pretty quickly after that. And as for Chakotay, it's clear that she trusts Tuvok more than him. Remember the Bad-Boy Paris mini-arc? Who was left out of the loop? Remember Janeway's recognition of Seven in "Relativity"? Once again Tuvok is in the loop and chakotay isn't. In "Fury", who knows what happened to Kes? Janeway and Tuvok. Not Chakotay. In "Equinox 2", Chakotay is relieved of duty. Tuvok isn't despite the fact that he uses the same arguments as Chakotay. Janeway's actions prove that she trusts Tuvok more than Chakotay. > >He's had it the best out of all the cast. > > > >> >most of what Chakotay got sucked. The most significant Chakotay episode, > >> >"One Small Step", made him look like a fool. In "Equinox 2", when he finally > >> >shows signs of life, he's relieved of duty. Of all the characters seaon 6 > >> >has been unkind to, Chakotay's the one who got it the worst. > >> > >> at least he *did* have scenes and screentime and lines... in *every* > >> episode... Yep. He got plenty of scenes that hurt his character, and only two episodes where he was given something good to do ("Fury" and "Haunting"). > >Screen time is not all it's cracked up to be. Look how much screen time > >Picardo got in "Virtuoso" and look how sick people are of Holodoc now. > > but I bet people in the casting industry are impressed that he gets so much to do Oh come on. Picardo's been around for way longer than Tim has. I'd bet Bob's known more for being Coach Cutlip on "The Wonder Years" or for being Dr. Whoever on "China Beach" than he is for being The Doctor on Voyager. > >People started hating Seven because of all the screen time she got in season 4. > > but Ryan is the one who gets other stuff to do outside Voyager - > *because* of her screentime and exposure! So who's done non-Voyager work in the last 6 years? Jeri, Kate, Robbie, and Garrett. Bob's done one or two commercials, I think. And Tum's put out two CDs and produced a movie. It sounds to me like he's done the most! > > Every time the Borg get screen time, they get worse and worse. RDM had > >oodles of screen time in "Someone to Watch Over Me" and "Spirit Folk", and > >it killed his character. > > > >You can't still think that Tim Russ will have difficulty finding a career > >after Voyager. Hell, "Meld" alone will get him whatever show he wants, > > like Voyager?? (sarcastic mode off) Because *despite* his excellent > performances he doesn't stand a chance and will never get a starring > part again. Have you realized that he'll end the series with not *one* > episode where he was the most prominent regular in the entire second > half of the series???? Not even *one* in three and a half years! > :-((((((((((((! He was the most prominent in "Riddles", and was almost the most prominent in "Fury". Plus he played key roles in "Juggernaut", "Barge of the Dead", "Haunting", and "Unimatrix Zero". > > not > >to mention his excellent performance in "Riddles". Plus, he directed a > >fan-favorite episode: "Living Witness". Who else in the cast can claim that? > > But thanks to his continued non-presence he's an unknown background > actor that *nobody* will think of when looking for a fine actor to > play a challenging part. No, Enberg's an unknown background "actor" that nobody but his step-mother will hire. Russ will do just fine. Don't you trust Tim to make the most of his career? Chris W.

2000-06-07 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - ("Ta', 1/3 of the Janeway/Seven equation" <tateria@yahoo.com>)


VoyagerLady <voyagerlady13NOvoSPAM@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message news:0920ef6c.8d8a86a6@usw-ex0101-008.remarq.com... > There has been quite a bit of discussion here regarding the fact > that Robert Beltran gets > more lines than Tim Russ. > > Fact: Robert Beltran's Character is the First Officer. His job > is to assist Janeway in ship's > business. He is second in command of Voyager. He handles crew > discipline. Therefore, > he has more to do and has more scenes with Janeway. > > Fact: Tim Russ' character is the Chief of Security. He handles > the security teams. Most > department reports are turned in to the Captain or Chakotay. > Therefore, Tuvok would > seldom be giving Janeway an oral report, unless it was a highly > critical issue. Therefore > he would not have as much screen time as Voyager. In fact, being > Chief of Security or > Chief Tactical Officer, he would not have a lot to do unless a > security issue was raised as > it was in "Survival Instinct." MAybe. Maybe not. But I think Janeway would *love* to have Tuvok give her an "Oral"...er... Report any day...

2000-06-07 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - ("Ta', 1/3 of the Janeway/Seven equation" <tateria@yahoo.com>)


Ann Johnson <Johnson.Ann@att.net> wrote in message news:UkE%4.255$iy.18724@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.. . > > "Allie Andrews" <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk> wrote in message > news:8hitin$kfn$1@plutonium.compulink.co.uk... > > I will probably regret asking this (but I am a glutton for > > punishment)...........As many of you know Lisa, Therese & I are off to "An > > Evening with Robert Beltran" on Saturday, anyway, I have been racking my > > brains to think of a good question to ask him and typically can't come up > > with anything better than "Fancy a quickie".....................So, do any > > of you have any suggestions? > > > Here's my question: What did you do with the money your parents gave you > for acting lessons? ROFLMAO!!! Thats just so cruel I love it!!!

2000-06-07 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (VoyagerLady <voyagerlady13NOvoSPAM@yahoo.com.invalid>)


In article <uhx%4.2516$VK4.304285@news3.cableinet.net>, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: > >"VoyagerLady" <voyagerlady13NOvoSPAM@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message >news:16cb5430.b1467035@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com... >> Some questions for Robert Beltran........ >> >> 1. We have seen more personal inteaction between Janeway and >> Chakotay this season. Are TPTB perhaps setting up a change in >> their relationship? > >Ah, have you seen the spoilers for Unimatrix Zero 2 by any chance........... I have yet to see any spoilers for Unimatrix Zero 2 as of yet. If anyone knows where they may be located, please post a URL here, or email me at: rfsexton@yahoo.com I would love to see the spoilers. >> >> >> 2. What do you want to see happen with your character in the >> last season? >> >> 3. Of all the movies you've done, which is your favorite and >> why? > > >Thanks Ronda :-))) > You're welcome. =))) I got a nice surprise today. A pal sent me a gorgeous pic of Robert Beltran. It now adorns my computer desktop. It is a fantastic picture. All of y'all who get to meet him have fun!!! Ronda * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!

2000-06-07 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (VoyagerLady <voyagerlady13NOvoSPAM@yahoo.com.invalid>)


There has been quite a bit of discussion here regarding the fact that Robert Beltran gets more lines than Tim Russ. Fact: Robert Beltran's Character is the First Officer. His job is to assist Janeway in ship's business. He is second in command of Voyager. He handles crew discipline. Therefore, he has more to do and has more scenes with Janeway. Fact: Tim Russ' character is the Chief of Security. He handles the security teams. Most department reports are turned in to the Captain or Chakotay. Therefore, Tuvok would seldom be giving Janeway an oral report, unless it was a highly critical issue. Therefore he would not have as much screen time as Voyager. In fact, being Chief of Security or Chief Tactical Officer, he would not have a lot to do unless a security issue was raised as it was in "Survival Instinct." It is merely a matter of how their characters' jobs fit into the command structure. Ronda * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!

2000-06-07 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Wed, 07 Jun 2000 18:07:18 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: > >"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message >news:tr1tjs0a7ctc999i0k1ll63vquek1ecqsd@4ax.com... >> On Tue, 06 Jun 2000 09:22:49 -0700, Helen & Bob >> <chil-out@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >> > >> > >> >Zabana Brandon wrote: >> > >> >> DBR wroteded: >> >> >> >> > Does he realize how badly he's hated on usenet? >> >> >> >> It's not so much hated as people would like to use >> >> him as kindling ... >> > >> >In comparing the number of people on usenet/newsgroups to the general >> >population and the total number of people who watch the show, do you >> >think he gives a rats ass? >> >> and considering that no matter how much we hate him he will *always* >> get his screentime and wil *always* be treated with the utmost respect >> by these writers - why *would* he bother????? :-((((((( > > >You call the way he has been treated with "respect"???? well - *who* is the one that gets eps with no lines or only one token line????? Who is the one whose character falls asleep, gets space sick, told to shove his report where no sun shines and leave them the heck alone?????? How would you like it if he were treated like that?? At least for him there are *always* scenes and lines. For *him* they bother to put the stuff in... > I certainly dont >and when he has asked for something to be changed they wont do it. and for the others they do? For others there isn't even something that *could* be changed, for there is absolutely *nothing* for them to do. Not *one* blasted line! Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-07 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Wed, 07 Jun 2000 19:22:03 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: > >"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message >news:ne6tjsg5ehrj1sri5nhjjks59atls0icho@4ax.com... >> On Wed, 7 Jun 2000 00:01:38 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" <dthartz@inwave.com> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > >> >When I saw RB, while this season was filming, he made no rants whatsoever >> >about his character or his not having any episodes, and he invited US to >> >tell him what we were delighted and disappointed with concerning the >show. >> >So, of course, you might be wrong about his interaction with his fans. >> > >> >> I've seen him, I know how he treated that audience then. He had not >> the least respect for anyone there and the only questions he had any >> use for were ones like: "May I come onstage and give you a present?" >> or similar stuff. Comments like: "If I may say so, you are gorgeous >> (snicker, giggle)!". *That*'s what caught his interest, not any >> comment about the show or the character that anybody in the audience >> made > > >You've seen him once if I recall rightly, plenty of other people, including >Therese who's seen him 3 times, it was a 2-day convention and I saw him both days. He was just as bad the second time >say alot of good stuff about him, everyone >is entitled to an off day. that makes it at least *two* off days... > If I'm not mistaken many more people had plenty >of negative things to say about Jennifer Lien *all* the times they have seen >her. the "negative" things people say about Jennifer is her shyness and introverted nature and her inability to speak in public. That's a shame, but not really something that makes her a lesser person. Being rude and inconsiderate, OTOH, is. Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-07 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Wed, 07 Jun 2000 19:32:07 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >Julianna wrote > > >> >> >> >> I almost gotta wonder why people don't admire him more for having the >guts >> >to >> >> say what everybody here thinks... >> > >> > >> ><sigh> >> > >> >Because everybody pegged him as a mediocre actor years ago >> >> and why do you think that is the case?? Maybe because he failed to >> impress us right from the beginning????? > >Maybe he didnt, but for others he did. Its just horses for course Julianna >I'm afraid. > maybe - but don't tell us that we didn't give him a chance. We did not hate him from the beginning. It's just that he impressed most of us *far* less than most others do. He *is* only mediocre compaired to them. At best. >> >> >and never bothers >> >to really look and change their opinion of him. >> >> oh, rest assured, we *do* look. We *have* to. He is forced down our >> throats often enough. The more I see him the less I am impressed... >> The only thing he *can* do is aggression > >Really? I dont agree at all, some of his scenes with Janeway are very >tender and very caring. there is absolutely no warmth in that man and he has the *coldest* eyes I've ever seen in my entire life. > As for being forced down our throats you are >obviously watching a different show to me. > didn't you see the list of heavy parts I posted somewhere else? >> >> > Apparently they would all >> >rather see someone who just trots out the same old stuff at every >convention >> >they go to and gives the same standard answers year after year. >> >> How many conventions have you been to? How do you know that others >> trot out the same old stuff year after year after year? Who *have* you >> met that does that??????? > >No, I havent been to conventions but I've read plenty of transcripts and >reports from many conventions and plenty of people have said that *certain* >actors, Tim included, give a prepared talk at the start which is the same >stuff most of the time. a) why do you believe these people and not me? What makes their comments so much more believable than mine? Go and see the actors for yourself and *then* make a judgment. As for Tim doing a prepared talk: Yes, he has thought about certain issues, the questions he does get most often he has answers for, because he is smart enough to have realized he will get that question again and is prepared and knows what to say. He may also get some questions that will invariably turn up answer right away, to get the issue out of the way. Roxann does that as well. She has a list of most frequent questions that she recites and answers at the beginning of her talk. That is not unreasonable, since *some* members of the audience will *always* ask how long the makeup takes, no matter how often they have said so. So clearing these things up right ahead to save time is actually quite a clever idea. Tim also may start off with a song - which is only natural, since he's advertising his CD and possibly a concert performance the same evening. It's not always the same song, though. He has 2 or 3 stories or gags that he *can* tell when it seems like there is no question forthcoming for the moment, but he does not tell them *all* the time. In other words, he *can* bridge an awkward silence, because he has a stock repertoire of things he can use to keep the audience entertained. That does not make him "not honest", "appealing to the audience" and all the other things you are accusing "the others" (as in: not Beltran) of. > I believe Shammie said this was why she preferred >Garrett to Tim at the con she went to because Garrett was less prepared and >gave more of himself than Tim did. Garrett may be a bit more spontaneous, but he isn't "sucking up to the audience" either, and he, too, keeps telling the same stories (like the elbow-thing). I wouldn't say that he gives more of himself than Tim does. Maybe in different areas and in a different way. Neither of them would *ever* consider not answering a reasonable question - or at least trying to answer it. >> > The fact >> >that he doesnt worship at the altar of Star Trek upsets a lot of people, >but >> >I would say he is probably more grounded than alot of the fans. >> >> he doesn't have to worship at the altar of Star Trek, but he shouldn't >> make it sound like everybody who watches Star Trek (for whichever >> reason, among others, to see his work) is a nerd > >Does he? The tape I've seen shows nothing like this at all. > well, when I saw him that was exactly how he behaved... >> >> > Sure he has >> >his bad points, but he also has some good ones and I would far rather go >and >> >see someone who tells it like it is rather than what they think the fans >> >would want to hear. >> > >> >> What makes you think others tell what the fans would want to hear but >> is not their own opinion????? Which others do that???? > >Just from reports I've read saying that alot give pretty standard talks >every con they go to. > and because they always get asked the same stuff (that's not *their* fault, you know! the audience asks the questions!) and answer it the same way (since they are not likely to change their mind on something in a drastic way within 2 months) that makes them *not* telling it like it is?????? Is it completely impossible that they are telling things all the time because that's *their* opinion and they stick to it and feel strongly about it and that's why they say it????? Some are like that, you know. >> >> >I mean he could stand there and say he has been desperate for J/C to kiss >> >for years and begged the producers to do it and the fans would love that >> >> *some* fans might, but some others wouldn't, since not everybody is a >> J/C-fan > >Considering that most of his fans, myself *not* included, tend to be J/Cers. > *some* - not all >> >> > but >> >it wouldnt be true, or he could do what he does and say he really doesnt >> >care because its made his character look ridiculous and its just a non >> >event. >> >> >> *that* would make just as many people happy as if he said he's an >> ardent J/C-supporter. >> What he should *not* do, however, is start talking about something >> else entirely when asked about his opinion on J/C. And when he has >> gone on for 10 minutes about this unrelated topic and the person who >> asked the question politely reminds him that he hasn't answered the >> question yet and would he please be so kind and do so now, that he >> then starts joking around, saying: "The question? Didn't I answer it? >> What was it anyway? Can anybody even still remember what the question >> was?" etc. *That* made it look like he thought the person asking the >> question was a complete jerk for even considering this question. > >As I said people have off days and if he says at the start of a talk, which >I've read that he has done sometimes, that J/C is not an issue he did nothing of the sort. He asked for coffee and refused to start before somebody had brought him coffee - and he came on late already anyway. Apparently it's impossible to set an alarm and start your job on time... *I* should do that - my boss would get furious! >and that he >has nothing to say about it what do you want him to do? well, saying that at the beginning of the talk ("the prepared part", that you hate so much and criticize in others) might be a good start. At least it's less awkward to tell people that you don't want to talk about a certain issue than to completely ignore them and make fun of them when they dare asking something in that direction. > He's said he wont >discuss it and yet he still gets asked it. He had *not* said he won't discuss it. Since he is soo refreshing and does *not* do the "prepared" talk at the beginning... > There is enough information >available for people to know how he feels about it and perhaps they should >respect his feelings on that. > perhaps not everybody is the most avid Beltran fan and reads everything available on him in every mag and on the net. If he goes to a convention he must expect to meet people that are here just out of curiosity, to see what he is like, and that have *not* studied up on him. He owes them the explanation that some topics are off limits. But since it's a bad thing to prepare a little speech for the start of a guest talk he can't do than and people who have no way of knowing that this is a sensitive topic will be targeted by his wrath... >> >> > I'd rather hear the second than the first. >> > >> >> I'd rather hear *something*, *anything* than his putting down of the >> audience > >Yep, which is probably why people keep going back to see him because he >doesnt do it all of the time but often. 2 out of 2 days is not just "the occasional off day" >and alot of people find him very entertaining. > Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-07 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


Julianna wrote > >You call the way he has been treated with "respect"???? > > well - *who* is the one that gets eps with no lines or only one token > line????? Who is the one whose character falls asleep, gets space > sick, told to shove his report where no sun shines and leave them the > heck alone?????? How would you like it if he were treated like that?? > At least for him there are *always* scenes and lines. For *him* they > bother to put the stuff in... Just because someone elses character is treated worse does not make the way they have treated his character *right*. It stands to reason as First Officer that he is likely to get more token lines than the Security Officer, but I'm afraid that is all they have mostly been this season, token ones. > > > I certainly dont > >and when he has asked for something to be changed they wont do it. > > and for the others they do? For others there isn't even something that > *could* be changed, for there is absolutely *nothing* for them to do. > Not *one* blasted line! So which characters have received no lines this season? Lisa

2000-06-07 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Wed, 07 Jun 2000 19:43:32 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >Julianna wrote > > >> >> >> >Thank you Chris. >> >My feelings exactly... >> >> Lemme see: Equinox II - supporting part > >and although it was a good part, it took his character further down the path >of no return > not more so than Tuvok's, and he at least had some screentime... >> Survival Instinct: scene with Janeway (trashing Tuvok) and scene with >> Seven >No more or less than anyone else > *considerably* more than Neelix or Tuvok, or Torres, and about as much as Tommy and Harry... and at least *he* was not told to shove his security report where the sun does not shine... >> Barge of the Dead - several minutes of screentime >see above > *not* less than others... >> Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy: see above >see above at least *he* did not have to put up with a gratuitous pon farr reference that further diminishes his character... >> Alice: Chucky in charge > >In charge of what? Just doing his job for a few scenes. > which is considerably more than what some others got. Tuvok just had to endure *yet another* gratuitous pon farr reference and some crap from Tommy and Harry, further down the path of no return. Chucky, OTOH, was shown as competent and respected by his colleagues, hardly a bad ep for him... >> Riddles: a week off for Beltran >yep, no RB > oh, he was there - he even had lines, he was in the briefing room scene and on the bridge when Neelix brings Tuvok. He had more in this one ep than Tuvok had in "Good Shepherd" and "Life Line" put together, yet you complain that there was "no Beltran"... >> Dragon's Teeth: ensemble part >again no more or less than anyone else > at least *he* was not left behind and nobody, writers and production stuff included, noticed or cared... >> One Small Step: *Big* part >that made him look a fool *again* > so you don't like him getting large parts????? He had more lines in this one than Tuvok in "Riddles" - yet you complain????? >> Voyager Conspiracy: *big* supporting part >that made him look a foll *again* > Correct me if I'm wrong, but *he* was the best friend and confidant that got invited to have coffee with the boss and about who she said that she trusts no one more than him. What's so bad about that???? Now if he were the one she doesn't seem to remember and when mentioned (as part of the conspiracy, no less) it doesn't bother her that he might be involved, probably expects nothing else of him, *then* I'd understand your problem... >> Pathfinder: as little as everybody els >yep > but not less than others... >> Fair Have: *good* scene with Janeway >*one* fairly good scene > well - would you have preferred seeing him get space sick?? You don't know how *lucky* you are! >> Blink of an Eye: nice stuff with B'Elanna >yes > more than some others had. Neelix for instance, was in one scene, but had no lines at all... >> Virtuoso: nothing much >yep > still more than Tuvok, though, who was in only one scene... >> Memorial: major part >No more major than any of the other four who were first affected > you said it: *four* - but there are nine regs. Others didn't even have half as much as what he got. Yet you complain again and say it wasn't all that much, since three others had a similar amount of screentime. >> Tsunkatse: Captain Chucky >For a while > well - would you've rather have seen him reduced to pulp, unable to defend himself and depending on the fighting skills of a woman???? >> Collective: minor part, but interacting with others >for the first few scenes, then apparently he wasnt capable of trying to >escape and they forgot all about him, further down the *fool* road > at least he was there! He was treated with respect by the others, they seemed to like him. How do you think they'd have treated Tuvok if he had been with them on that shuttle???? Ever thought of that?????? >> Spirit Folk: not all that much >one good scene where Janeway brings Michael to the bridge and he looks at >her like she's mad > yes, *again* for him somebody bothered to write a *scene*.... >> Ashes to Ashes: important scene with Seven >which lasted barely minutes and that was it > well - he *had* lines and they were actually important and not a token line like Tuvok's in "Good Shepherd" or the entire space sickness crap in Fair Haven... >> Child's Play: not all that much >nope > but the others hadn't anything either - and at least we saw who it is Janeway goes to the Science Fair with... >> Good Shepherd: important scene with Janeway >short one at the very end, although he did actually get to portray at the >start that he does his job well > well - maybe you'd have preferred seeing him get exactly four words in a ten seconds cameo... >> Live Fast and Prosper: not all that much >nope > but then - who had much in that one?? >> Fury: Chucky in action >not much action > well - blastering down forcefields and similar stuff is what he does best... >> Muse: not all that much >nope > at least he did not fall asleep on the bridge and get laughed at for that... >> Life Line: important scene with Janeway >one scene which lasted a few minutes > well, others didn't even get one word, and were on screen for less than *one* minute... >> Haunting of Deck 12: ensemble player >not a bad one > see? >> Unimatrix Zero: ensemble player >havent finished watching it yet, but *why* did they make him volunteer to do >the neural link. He would *never* have volunteered that after his previous >experiences :-( maybe he changed his mind? Aren't you the one who likes it if people tell different stuff every time??? So one day it bothers him, the next day it's fine with him :-) >> so what on earth is so bad about that????????????????? >> >> there is not *one* ep with no lines or only one line, there is not one >> ep where he gets trashed by anybody or where he falls asleep or gets >> space sick or anything bad and demeaning! >> > >So all in all Julianna, not that much screen time like twice of what Tuvok had... >and what he has had has >pretty much dimished the character entirely. > yeah? Did *he* fall asleep on the job, get space sick, trashed by Tommy, driven out of the briefing room when coming with his report, left behind on a planet, etc.?????? If what Chucky had diminshed his character then how about what some others had????? Compare his stuff to that of other characters, maybe then you'll see how little reason you have to complain. Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-07 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Wed, 07 Jun 2000 20:33:17 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >Julianna wrote > > >> >You call the way he has been treated with "respect"???? >> >> well - *who* is the one that gets eps with no lines or only one token >> line????? Who is the one whose character falls asleep, gets space >> sick, told to shove his report where no sun shines and leave them the >> heck alone?????? How would you like it if he were treated like that?? >> At least for him there are *always* scenes and lines. For *him* they >> bother to put the stuff in... > >Just because someone elses character is treated worse does not make the way >they have treated his character *right*. well - seeing what kind of damage these writers *are* capable of should make you grateful for small favors. Chucky at least got *some* screentime and *some* good scenes and he was not *completely and utterly* turned into the ship's one big laughing stock. if I were a Chucky fan I'd be happy that I've been spared the worst... > It stands to reason as First >Officer that he is likely to get more token lines than the Security Officer, considering that he's the weakest actor of the bunch it does *not* stand to reason at all that *he* does get entire scenes while a really good actor gets one token line - or none at all... >but I'm afraid that is all they have mostly been this season, token ones. > hey, check all the nice scenes with Janeway that you admitted to in my other post!!!!! >> >> > I certainly dont >> >and when he has asked for something to be changed they wont do it. >> >> and for the others they do? For others there isn't even something that >> *could* be changed, for there is absolutely *nothing* for them to do. >> Not *one* blasted line! > >So which characters have received no lines this season? > > Neelix, for instance, in "Blink of an Eye" *and* in "Unimatrix Zero". Tuvok in "Life Line". I'm sure if they had complained and asked for a line or two to be added to make it worth their while to go to the studio and get into makeup and costume nobody would have listened to them in the first place... Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-07 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


Julianna wrote > > > > maybe - but don't tell us that we didn't give him a chance. We did not > hate him from the beginning. It's just that he impressed most of us > *far* less than most others do. He *is* only mediocre compaired to > them. At best. I never said you didnt give him a chance, just that maybe some people might like to step back and look again through fresh eyes at what they see now. > > > >Really? I dont agree at all, some of his scenes with Janeway are very > >tender and very caring. > > there is absolutely no warmth in that man and he has the *coldest* > eyes I've ever seen in my entire life. I see plenty of warmth in them and in him. > > > As for being forced down our throats you are > >obviously watching a different show to me. > > > > didn't you see the list of heavy parts I posted somewhere else? I did and I replied to it<g> > > >> > > a) why do you believe these people and not me? Who said I didnt believe you? I respect your opinion just as I respect the opinions of all the other peoples that I read. > What makes their > comments so much more believable than mine? Go and see the actors for > yourself and *then* make a judgment. <sigh> If I could afford to I would, as it is I have to base my discussions on the things that I have read and seen. > Tim also may start off with a song - which is only natural, since he's > advertising his CD and possibly a concert performance the same > evening. It's not always the same song, though. He has 2 or 3 stories > or gags that he *can* tell when it seems like there is no question > forthcoming for the moment, but he does not tell them *all* the time. > In other words, he *can* bridge an awkward silence, because he has a > stock repertoire of things he can use to keep the audience > entertained. That does not make him "not honest", "appealing to the > audience" and all the other things you are accusing "the others" (as > in: not Beltran) of. Okay, I never said he wasnt honest and I havent "accused" people of anything, just made an observation. > > > I believe Shammie said this was why she preferred > >Garrett to Tim at the con she went to because Garrett was less prepared and > >gave more of himself than Tim did. > > > Garrett may be a bit more spontaneous, but he isn't "sucking up to the > audience" either, and he, too, keeps telling the same stories (like > the elbow-thing). I wouldn't say that he gives more of himself than > Tim does. Maybe in different areas and in a different way. Neither of > them would *ever* consider not answering a reasonable question - or at > least trying to answer it. Who mentioned "sucking up to the audience"? I didnt. > > > >> > The fact > >> >that he doesnt worship at the altar of Star Trek upsets a lot of people, > >but > >> >I would say he is probably more grounded than alot of the fans. > >> > >> he doesn't have to worship at the altar of Star Trek, but he shouldn't > >> make it sound like everybody who watches Star Trek (for whichever > >> reason, among others, to see his work) is a nerd > > > >Does he? The tape I've seen shows nothing like this at all. > > > > well, when I saw him that was exactly how he behaved... Exactly! Two different places, two different times. You seem willing to make excuses for other people yet you cant for him? How do you know what was happening in his life that weekend and what other things may have been affecting him? > > and because they always get asked the same stuff (that's not *their* > fault, you know! the audience asks the questions!) and answer it the > same way (since they are not likely to change their mind on something > in a drastic way within 2 months) that makes them *not* telling it > like it is?????? Is it completely impossible that they are telling > things all the time because that's *their* opinion and they stick to > it and feel strongly about it and that's why they say it????? > Some are like that, you know. Thats fine and I dont have a problem with that, I just dont understand your criticism for someone who chooses to do things differently. > > >> > >> >I mean he could stand there and say he has been desperate for J/C to kiss > >> >for years and begged the producers to do it and the fans would love that > >> > >> *some* fans might, but some others wouldn't, since not everybody is a > >> J/C-fan > > > >Considering that most of his fans, myself *not* included, tend to be J/Cers. > > > > *some* - not all probably the majority, go look at the fanfic and see. > > > He's said he wont > >discuss it and yet he still gets asked it. > > He had *not* said he won't discuss it. Since he is soo refreshing and > does *not* do the "prepared" talk at the beginning... As I keep saying the reports I have read from various cons over the years, a few have mentioned that he says at the start not to talk about it, the same as the questions about his tattoo and whether he is Native American. > > > > There is enough information > >available for people to know how he feels about it and perhaps they should > >respect his feelings on that. > > > > perhaps not everybody is the most avid Beltran fan and reads > everything available on him in every mag and on the net. If he goes to > a convention he must expect to meet people that are here just out of > curiosity, to see what he is like, and that have *not* studied up on > him. He owes them the explanation that some topics are off limits. But > since it's a bad thing to prepare a little speech for the start of a > guest talk he can't do than and people who have no way of knowing that > this is a sensitive topic will be targeted by his wrath... Stop twisting my words, I have never said that its a bad thing to prepare a little speech. Lisa

2000-06-07 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Michele <belanna@uswest.net>)


Lisa wrote: > > "Allie Andrews" <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk> wrote in message > news:8hl1ov$cqi$2@plutonium.compulink.co.uk... > > > > Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote > > > > > <sigh> > > > > > > Because everybody pegged him as a mediocre actor years ago and never > > bothers > > > to really look and change their opinion of him. Apparently they would > all > > > rather see someone who just trots out the same old stuff at every > > convention > > > they go to and gives the same standard answers year after year. The > fact > > > that he doesnt worship at the altar of Star Trek upsets a lot of people, > > but > > > I would say he is probably more grounded than alot of the fans. Sure he > > has > > > his bad points, but he also has some good ones and I would far rather go > > and > > > see someone who tells it like it is rather than what they think the fans > > > would want to hear. > > > > Here, here! I particularly agree with you on the fact that people got an > > opinion of him and have stuck to it despite vast improvement more > > recently. I say that because I am someone who felt Beltran was not making > > much of an effort and was one of the poorer actors during the middle run > of > > the show. However, he has got much better! And given storylines that are > > more than saying yes to Janeway he is very good indeed! > > He is indeed! I've said before that if he cartwheeled around the bridge > naked singing The Sun Has Got His Hat On everyone would still say he was > dull! > > > > > > I mean he could stand there and say he has been desperate for I/C to > kiss > > > for years and begged the producers to do it and the fans would love that > > but > > > it wouldn't be true, or he could do what he does and say he really > doesnt > > > care because its made his character look ridiculous and its just a non > > > event. I'd rather hear the second than the first. > > > > LOL > > > > Yes, all the reports I have had about him lead me to believe his only > > failing at these events is to be a little too truthful. He isn't a big > Star > > Trek fan and some people think that means he shouldn't be in Star Trek, > > which quite frankly is ridiculous. > > Here here! > > Lisa I agree with you both. Also many of the actors who are on or were on trek, were not fans. Some never even saw it. For example many of the voyager cast, and probably a few of the Tng cast. -- Michele "take the cheese to sickbay" B'elanna What is the phrase heard most often in Voyager's Mess Hall? "Medical Emergency!!!" What did the blonde Klingon say? It was a good day to dye.

2000-06-07 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Tue, 06 Jun 2000 09:22:49 -0700, Helen & Bob <chil-out@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > >Zabana Brandon wrote: > >> DBR wroteded: >> >> > Does he realize how badly he's hated on usenet? >> >> It's not so much hated as people would like to use >> him as kindling ... > >In comparing the number of people on usenet/newsgroups to the general >population and the total number of people who watch the show, do you >think he gives a rats ass? and considering that no matter how much we hate him he will *always* get his screentime and wil *always* be treated with the utmost respect by these writers - why *would* he bother????? :-((((((( Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-07 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:03:19 -0700, "Chris W." <el_capitano@geocities.com> wrote: > >"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message >news:ulkqjs03ldf4bkppmto1afehb8j9kmn44q@4ax.com... > >> >Chakotay got less in season 6 than Tuvok or Neelix, and unlike those two, >> >> maybe less than Neelix, but it's impossible to beat Tuvok with his >> no-lines and one-lines :-((((((((( > >Depends on how you look at it. Out of all the characters on Voyager, Tuvok >has arguably fared the best out of all of them. He hasn't been written as an >immature jerk like Tom. He's allowed to learn things how to make desserts??? :-) > and be thought of as >One Who Knows A Lot Of Things, what *does* he know that the others appreciate????? >unlike Harry. He's not a yes-man, like >Chakotay. He isn't written to look like an idiot on a regular basis, like >Neelix. because unlike Neelix he barely ever shows up. And Neelix was *not written to look like an idiot very often this season. Actually Neelix was treated pretty well. > He hasn't become a charicature of himself, like Holodoc and Seven. he hasn't? What about the non-existing pon farr, the space sickness, the sleeping on the bridge????? >He isn't boinking a hologram, like Janeway. And he's often shown doing the >job he's supposed to, unless he's ill, injured or otherwise incapacitated >unlike Torres. And there's no chance he'll get the >kind of treatment Kes did in "Fury". Yes, they had him falling asleep on the >bridge, but that's *one incident* in six seasons. and he gets constantly trashed by Tommy and can't help it and he got space sick and dumped by Janeway to make room for Chucky... :-((((( >He's had it the best out >of all the cast. > >> >most of what Chakotay got sucked. The most significant Chakotay episode, >> >"One Small Step", made him look like a fool. In "Equinox 2", when he >finally >> >shows signs of life, he's relieved of duty. Of all the characters seaon 6 >> >has been unkind to, Chakotay's the one who got it the worst. >> > >> >> at least he *did* have scenes and screentime and lines... in *every* >> episode... > >Screen time is not all it's cracked up to be. Look how much screen time >Picardo got in "Virtuoso" and look how sick people are of Holodoc now. but I bet people in the casting industry are impressed that he gets so much to do >People started hating Seven because of all the screen time she got in season >4. but Ryan is the one who gets other stuff to do outside Voyager - *because* of her screentime and exposure! > Every time the Borg get screen time, they get worse and worse. RDM had >oodles of screen time in "Someone to Watch Over Me" and "Spirit Folk", and >it killed his character. > >You can't still think that Tim Russ will have difficulty finding a career >after Voyager. Hell, "Meld" alone will get him whatever show he wants, like Voyager?? (sarcastic mode off) Because *despite* his excellent performances he doesn't stand a chance and will never get a starring part again. Have you realized that he'll end the series with not *one* episode where he was the most prominent regular in the entire second half of the series???? Not even *one* in three and a half years! :-((((((((((((! > not >to mention his excellent performance in "Riddles". Plus, he directed a >fan-favorite episode: "Living Witness". Who else in the cast can claim that? > But thanks to his continued non-presence he's an unknown background actor that *nobody* will think of when looking for a fine actor to play a challenging part. Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-07 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:tr1tjs0a7ctc999i0k1ll63vquek1ecqsd@4ax.com... > On Tue, 06 Jun 2000 09:22:49 -0700, Helen & Bob > <chil-out@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > > > > >Zabana Brandon wrote: > > > >> DBR wroteded: > >> > >> > Does he realize how badly he's hated on usenet? > >> > >> It's not so much hated as people would like to use > >> him as kindling ... > > > >In comparing the number of people on usenet/newsgroups to the general > >population and the total number of people who watch the show, do you > >think he gives a rats ass? > > and considering that no matter how much we hate him he will *always* > get his screentime and wil *always* be treated with the utmost respect > by these writers - why *would* he bother????? :-((((((( You call the way he has been treated with "respect"???? I certainly dont and when he has asked for something to be changed they wont do it. Lisa

2000-06-07 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (VoyagerLady <voyagerlady13NOvoSPAM@yahoo.com.invalid>)


Some questions for Robert Beltran........ 1. We have seen more personal inteaction between Janeway and Chakotay this season. Are TPTB perhaps setting up a change in their relationship? 2. What do you want to see happen with your character in the last season? 3. Of all the movies you've done, which is your favorite and why? Ronda * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!

2000-06-07 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Wed, 7 Jun 2000 00:01:38 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" <dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: > > >When I saw RB, while this season was filming, he made no rants whatsoever >about his character or his not having any episodes, and he invited US to >tell him what we were delighted and disappointed with concerning the show. >So, of course, you might be wrong about his interaction with his fans. > I've seen him, I know how he treated that audience then. He had not the least respect for anyone there and the only questions he had any use for were ones like: "May I come onstage and give you a present?" or similar stuff. Comments like: "If I may say so, you are gorgeous (snicker, giggle)!". *That*'s what caught his interest, not any comment about the show or the character that anybody in the audience made Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-07 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Wed, 07 Jun 2000 07:12:23 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: > >"Juli17" <juli17@aol.com> wrote in message >news:20000607011838.29033.00002104@ng-bj1.aol.com... >> > >> >He doesn't know. And *he* at least *does* get storylines. Of course >> >he'd rant about how little he gets and how he hates it... instead of >> >being thankful that he gets something *at all* - not everybody is that >> >lucky :-((((( >> > >> >Julianna >> >-------- >> >> He's never ranted about how little he gets, but about how bad the writing >is. >> And not only for his character. He's also no Braga fan. In fact there's >> something very familiar about his negative opinion of both.... hmmm... >> >> I'd say he'd fit right in on this newsgroup ;-) >> >> I almost gotta wonder why people don't admire him more for having the guts >to >> say what everybody here thinks... > > ><sigh> > >Because everybody pegged him as a mediocre actor years ago and why do you think that is the case?? Maybe because he failed to impress us right from the beginning????? >and never bothers >to really look and change their opinion of him. oh, rest assured, we *do* look. We *have* to. He is forced down our throats often enough. The more I see him the less I am impressed... The only thing he *can* do is aggression > Apparently they would all >rather see someone who just trots out the same old stuff at every convention >they go to and gives the same standard answers year after year. How many conventions have you been to? How do you know that others trot out the same old stuff year after year after year? Who *have* you met that does that??????? > The fact >that he doesnt worship at the altar of Star Trek upsets a lot of people, but >I would say he is probably more grounded than alot of the fans. he doesn't have to worship at the altar of Star Trek, but he shouldn't make it sound like everybody who watches Star Trek (for whichever reason, among others, to see his work) is a nerd > Sure he has >his bad points, but he also has some good ones and I would far rather go and >see someone who tells it like it is rather than what they think the fans >would want to hear. > What makes you think others tell what the fans would want to hear but is not their own opinion????? Which others do that???? >I mean he could stand there and say he has been desperate for J/C to kiss >for years and begged the producers to do it and the fans would love that *some* fans might, but some others wouldn't, since not everybody is a J/C-fan > but >it wouldnt be true, or he could do what he does and say he really doesnt >care because its made his character look ridiculous and its just a non >event. *that* would make just as many people happy as if he said he's an ardent J/C-supporter. What he should *not* do, however, is start talking about something else entirely when asked about his opinion on J/C. And when he has gone on for 10 minutes about this unrelated topic and the person who asked the question politely reminds him that he hasn't answered the question yet and would he please be so kind and do so now, that he then starts joking around, saying: "The question? Didn't I answer it? What was it anyway? Can anybody even still remember what the question was?" etc. *That* made it look like he thought the person asking the question was a complete jerk for even considering this question. > I'd rather hear the second than the first. > I'd rather hear *something*, *anything* than his putting down of the audience Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-07 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Tue, 6 Jun 2000 23:57:32 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" <dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: > >"Chris W." <el_capitano@geocities.com> wrote in message >news:393d4f50_2@binaries.vphos.net... >> >> "Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:r8hqjssr5uq50clgk04ndqspd4knupspla@4ax.com... >> >> > He doesn't know. And *he* at least *does* get storylines. Of course >> > he'd rant about how little he gets and how he hates it... instead of >> > being thankful that he gets something *at all* - not everybody is that >> > lucky :-((((( >> >> Chakotay got less in season 6 than Tuvok or Neelix, and unlike those two, >> most of what Chakotay got sucked. The most significant Chakotay episode, >> "One Small Step", made him look like a fool. In "Equinox 2", when he >finally >> shows signs of life, he's relieved of duty. Of all the characters seaon 6 >> has been unkind to, Chakotay's the one who got it the worst. >> >> Chris W. >> >> >Thank you Chris. >My feelings exactly... Lemme see: Equinox II - supporting part Survival Instinct: scene with Janeway (trashing Tuvok) and scene with Seven Barge of the Dead - several minutes of screentime Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy: see above Alice: Chucky in charge Riddles: a week off for Beltran Dragon's Teeth: ensemble part One Small Step: *Big* part Voyager Conspiracy: *big* supporting part Pathfinder: as little as everybody els Fair Have: *good* scene with Janeway Blink of an Eye: nice stuff with B'Elanna Virtuoso: nothing much Memorial: major part Tsunkatse: Captain Chucky Collective: minor part, but interacting with others Spirit Folk: not all that much Ashes to Ashes: important scene with Seven Child's Play: not all that much Good Shepherd: important scene with Janeway Live Fast and Prosper: not all that much Fury: Chucky in action Muse: not all that much Life Line: important scene with Janeway Haunting of Deck 12: ensemble player Unimatrix Zero: ensemble player so what on earth is so bad about that????????????????? there is not *one* ep with no lines or only one line, there is not one ep where he gets trashed by anybody or where he falls asleep or gets space sick or anything bad and demeaning! >and if it weren't for those 30 seconds of beautiful dimples in each episode, >I wouldn't be watching this show any longer. It's *far* more than 30 seconds of dimples, more like 5 minutes... now if we were talking about Tuvok - was he even on screen for as long as 30 seconds in "Life Line"??????? Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-07 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"VoyagerLady" <voyagerlady13NOvoSPAM@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message news:16cb5430.b1467035@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com... > Some questions for Robert Beltran........ > > 1. We have seen more personal inteaction between Janeway and > Chakotay this season. Are TPTB perhaps setting up a change in > their relationship? Ah, have you seen the spoilers for Unimatrix Zero 2 by any chance........... > > > 2. What do you want to see happen with your character in the > last season? > > 3. Of all the movies you've done, which is your favorite and > why? Thanks Ronda :-)))

2000-06-07 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:ne6tjsg5ehrj1sri5nhjjks59atls0icho@4ax.com... > On Wed, 7 Jun 2000 00:01:38 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" <dthartz@inwave.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > >When I saw RB, while this season was filming, he made no rants whatsoever > >about his character or his not having any episodes, and he invited US to > >tell him what we were delighted and disappointed with concerning the show. > >So, of course, you might be wrong about his interaction with his fans. > > > > I've seen him, I know how he treated that audience then. He had not > the least respect for anyone there and the only questions he had any > use for were ones like: "May I come onstage and give you a present?" > or similar stuff. Comments like: "If I may say so, you are gorgeous > (snicker, giggle)!". *That*'s what caught his interest, not any > comment about the show or the character that anybody in the audience > made You've seen him once if I recall rightly, plenty of other people, including Therese who's seen him 3 times, say alot of good stuff about him, everyone is entitled to an off day. If I'm not mistaken many more people had plenty of negative things to say about Jennifer Lien *all* the times they have seen her. Lisa

2000-06-07 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


Julianna wrote > >> > >> I almost gotta wonder why people don't admire him more for having the guts > >to > >> say what everybody here thinks... > > > > > ><sigh> > > > >Because everybody pegged him as a mediocre actor years ago > > and why do you think that is the case?? Maybe because he failed to > impress us right from the beginning????? Maybe he didnt, but for others he did. Its just horses for course Julianna I'm afraid. > > >and never bothers > >to really look and change their opinion of him. > > oh, rest assured, we *do* look. We *have* to. He is forced down our > throats often enough. The more I see him the less I am impressed... > The only thing he *can* do is aggression Really? I dont agree at all, some of his scenes with Janeway are very tender and very caring. As for being forced down our throats you are obviously watching a different show to me. > > > Apparently they would all > >rather see someone who just trots out the same old stuff at every convention > >they go to and gives the same standard answers year after year. > > How many conventions have you been to? How do you know that others > trot out the same old stuff year after year after year? Who *have* you > met that does that??????? No, I havent been to conventions but I've read plenty of transcripts and reports from many conventions and plenty of people have said that *certain* actors, Tim included, give a prepared talk at the start which is the same stuff most of the time. I believe Shammie said this was why she preferred Garrett to Tim at the con she went to because Garrett was less prepared and gave more of himself than Tim did. > > > The fact > >that he doesnt worship at the altar of Star Trek upsets a lot of people, but > >I would say he is probably more grounded than alot of the fans. > > he doesn't have to worship at the altar of Star Trek, but he shouldn't > make it sound like everybody who watches Star Trek (for whichever > reason, among others, to see his work) is a nerd Does he? The tape I've seen shows nothing like this at all. > > > Sure he has > >his bad points, but he also has some good ones and I would far rather go and > >see someone who tells it like it is rather than what they think the fans > >would want to hear. > > > > What makes you think others tell what the fans would want to hear but > is not their own opinion????? Which others do that???? Just from reports I've read saying that alot give pretty standard talks every con they go to. > > >I mean he could stand there and say he has been desperate for J/C to kiss > >for years and begged the producers to do it and the fans would love that > > *some* fans might, but some others wouldn't, since not everybody is a > J/C-fan Considering that most of his fans, myself *not* included, tend to be J/Cers. > > > but > >it wouldnt be true, or he could do what he does and say he really doesnt > >care because its made his character look ridiculous and its just a non > >event. > > > *that* would make just as many people happy as if he said he's an > ardent J/C-supporter. > What he should *not* do, however, is start talking about something > else entirely when asked about his opinion on J/C. And when he has > gone on for 10 minutes about this unrelated topic and the person who > asked the question politely reminds him that he hasn't answered the > question yet and would he please be so kind and do so now, that he > then starts joking around, saying: "The question? Didn't I answer it? > What was it anyway? Can anybody even still remember what the question > was?" etc. *That* made it look like he thought the person asking the > question was a complete jerk for even considering this question. As I said people have off days and if he says at the start of a talk, which I've read that he has done sometimes, that J/C is not an issue and that he has nothing to say about it what do you want him to do? He's said he wont discuss it and yet he still gets asked it. There is enough information available for people to know how he feels about it and perhaps they should respect his feelings on that. > > > I'd rather hear the second than the first. > > > > I'd rather hear *something*, *anything* than his putting down of the > audience Yep, which is probably why people keep going back to see him because he doesnt do it all of the time and alot of people find him very entertaining. Lisa

2000-06-07 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


Julianna wrote > >> > >Thank you Chris. > >My feelings exactly... > > Lemme see: Equinox II - supporting part and although it was a good part, it took his character further down the path of no return > Survival Instinct: scene with Janeway (trashing Tuvok) and scene with > Seven No more or less than anyone else > Barge of the Dead - several minutes of screentime see above > Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy: see above see above > Alice: Chucky in charge In charge of what? Just doing his job for a few scenes. > Riddles: a week off for Beltran yep, no RB > Dragon's Teeth: ensemble part again no more or less than anyone else > One Small Step: *Big* part that made him look a fool *again* > Voyager Conspiracy: *big* supporting part that made him look a foll *again* > Pathfinder: as little as everybody els yep > Fair Have: *good* scene with Janeway *one* fairly good scene > Blink of an Eye: nice stuff with B'Elanna yes > Virtuoso: nothing much yep > Memorial: major part No more major than any of the other four who were first affected > Tsunkatse: Captain Chucky For a while > Collective: minor part, but interacting with others for the first few scenes, then apparently he wasnt capable of trying to escape and they forgot all about him, further down the *fool* road > Spirit Folk: not all that much one good scene where Janeway brings Michael to the bridge and he looks at her like she's mad > Ashes to Ashes: important scene with Seven which lasted barely minutes and that was it > Child's Play: not all that much nope > Good Shepherd: important scene with Janeway short one at the very end, although he did actually get to portray at the start that he does his job well > Live Fast and Prosper: not all that much nope > Fury: Chucky in action not much action > Muse: not all that much nope > Life Line: important scene with Janeway one scene which lasted a few minutes > Haunting of Deck 12: ensemble player not a bad one > Unimatrix Zero: ensemble player havent finished watching it yet, but *why* did they make him volunteer to do the neural link. He would *never* have volunteered that after his previous experiences :-( > > so what on earth is so bad about that????????????????? > > there is not *one* ep with no lines or only one line, there is not one > ep where he gets trashed by anybody or where he falls asleep or gets > space sick or anything bad and demeaning! > So all in all Julianna, not that much screen time and what he has had has pretty much dimished the character entirely. Lisa

2000-06-07 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Allie Andrews <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk>)


Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote > <sigh> > > Because everybody pegged him as a mediocre actor years ago and never bothers > to really look and change their opinion of him. Apparently they would all > rather see someone who just trots out the same old stuff at every convention > they go to and gives the same standard answers year after year. The fact > that he doesnt worship at the altar of Star Trek upsets a lot of people, but > I would say he is probably more grounded than alot of the fans. Sure he has > his bad points, but he also has some good ones and I would far rather go and > see someone who tells it like it is rather than what they think the fans > would want to hear. Here, here! I particularly agree with you on the fact that people got an opinion of him and have stuck to it despite vast improvement more recently. I say that because I am someone who felt Beltran was not making much of an effort and was one of the poorer actors during the middle run of the show. However, he has got much better! And given storylines that are more than saying yes to Janeway he is very good indeed! > I mean he could stand there and say he has been desperate for I/C to kiss > for years and begged the producers to do it and the fans would love that but > it wouldn't be true, or he could do what he does and say he really doesnt > care because its made his character look ridiculous and its just a non > event. I'd rather hear the second than the first. LOL Yes, all the reports I have had about him lead me to believe his only failing at these events is to be a little too truthful. He isn't a big Star Trek fan and some people think that means he shouldn't be in Star Trek, which quite frankly is ridiculous. Allie x

2000-06-07 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Steve Christianson" <stevechristianson@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:393E0704.4E72@yahoo.com... > X-No-Archive: yes > > > > > Lisa wrote: > > > > "Steve Christianson" <stevechristianson@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:393D5EBE.DC6@yahoo.com... > > > X-No-Archive: yes > > > > > > > > > > > > Allie Andrews wrote: > > > > > > > > I will probably regret asking this (but I am a glutton for > > > champagne and often post while intoxicated): spank me (I love > > > > punishment)...........As many of you know Lisa, Therese & I are off to > > "An > > > Idiot Making A Fool Of Himself", technically called "An > > > > Evening with Robert Beltran" on Saturday, anyway, I have been racking my > > > husband's [censored] with a paddle, telling my Love Slave to use his > > > > brains to think of a good question to ask him and typically can't come > > up > > > with anything that pinhead Beltran might understand. He cant deal > > > > with anything better than "Fancy a quickie".....................So, do > > any > > > > of you have any suggestions? > > > > > > > > > <g> > > > > ROTFLMAO! > > > > Are you picking on us? > > > <g> This get-together of yours is going to give me material to use for > *months* :-) LOL, I can almost feel you shaking in anticipation<g>

2000-06-07 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Allie Andrews <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk>)


DBR <assman.finalfrontier.com@home.com> wrote > > I didn't know this..... > > Ask him how he feels about his role as Chakotay. Does he realize how badly > he's hated on usenet? Is he aware the stories/scripts he's given usually > suck ass? Good questions! Thanks DBR :-) Allie x

2000-06-07 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Allie Andrews <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk>)


Steviepops wrote > I shake in anticipation only for your tender company, my dear. When you, > Allie and Therese post to me in the mornings, there is no need for dawn, > as my day has already become brightly lit. Hehehehe Nice one Steve! And how are you this fine morning? Is your Mon OK? Allie x

2000-06-07 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Therese Gray <tgray@zetnet.co.uk>)


The message <393E0B42.7A79@yahoo.com> from Steve Christianson <stevechristianson@yahoo.com> contains these words: > X-No-Archive: yes > Lisa wrote: > > > > > > ROTFLMAO! > > > > > > > > Are you picking on us? > > > > > > > > > <g> This get-together of yours is going to give me material to use for > > > *months* :-) > > > > LOL, I can almost feel you shaking in anticipation<g> > I shake in anticipation only for your tender company, my dear. When you, > Allie and Therese post to me in the mornings, there is no need for dawn, > as my day has already become brightly lit. Bleahhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!! :(~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~

2000-06-07 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Steve Christianson" <stevechristianson@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:393E0B42.7A79@yahoo.com... > X-No-Archive: yes > > > > Lisa wrote: > > > > > > ROTFLMAO! > > > > > > > > Are you picking on us? > > > > > > > > > <g> This get-together of yours is going to give me material to use for > > > *months* :-) > > > > LOL, I can almost feel you shaking in anticipation<g> > > > I shake in anticipation only for your tender company, my dear. When you, > Allie and Therese post to me in the mornings, there is no need for dawn, > as my day has already become brightly lit. <melts into a pile of goo> <g>

2000-06-07 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Allie Andrews" <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:8hl1ov$cqi$2@plutonium.compulink.co.uk... > > Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote > > > <sigh> > > > > Because everybody pegged him as a mediocre actor years ago and never > bothers > > to really look and change their opinion of him. Apparently they would all > > rather see someone who just trots out the same old stuff at every > convention > > they go to and gives the same standard answers year after year. The fact > > that he doesnt worship at the altar of Star Trek upsets a lot of people, > but > > I would say he is probably more grounded than alot of the fans. Sure he > has > > his bad points, but he also has some good ones and I would far rather go > and > > see someone who tells it like it is rather than what they think the fans > > would want to hear. > > Here, here! I particularly agree with you on the fact that people got an > opinion of him and have stuck to it despite vast improvement more > recently. I say that because I am someone who felt Beltran was not making > much of an effort and was one of the poorer actors during the middle run of > the show. However, he has got much better! And given storylines that are > more than saying yes to Janeway he is very good indeed! He is indeed! I've said before that if he cartwheeled around the bridge naked singing The Sun Has Got His Hat On everyone would still say he was dull! > > > I mean he could stand there and say he has been desperate for I/C to kiss > > for years and begged the producers to do it and the fans would love that > but > > it wouldn't be true, or he could do what he does and say he really doesnt > > care because its made his character look ridiculous and its just a non > > event. I'd rather hear the second than the first. > > LOL > > Yes, all the reports I have had about him lead me to believe his only > failing at these events is to be a little too truthful. He isn't a big Star > Trek fan and some people think that means he shouldn't be in Star Trek, > which quite frankly is ridiculous. Here here! Lisa

2000-06-07 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com>)


Helen & Bob wroteded: > Zabana Brandon wrote: > > DBR wroteded: > > > > > Does he realize how badly he's hated on usenet? > > > > It's not so much hated as people would like to use > > him as kindling ... > > In comparing the number of people on > usenet/newsgroups to the general population > and the total number of people who watch > the show, do you think he gives a rats ass? Well, he should. I mean, WE'RE ATSTV, for goodness sakes! We're night unto gods around here!!

2000-06-07 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Steve Christianson" <stevechristianson@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:393D5EBE.DC6@yahoo.com... > X-No-Archive: yes > > > > Allie Andrews wrote: > > > > I will probably regret asking this (but I am a glutton for > champagne and often post while intoxicated): spank me (I love > > punishment)...........As many of you know Lisa, Therese & I are off to "An > Idiot Making A Fool Of Himself", technically called "An > > Evening with Robert Beltran" on Saturday, anyway, I have been racking my > husband's [censored] with a paddle, telling my Love Slave to use his > > brains to think of a good question to ask him and typically can't come up > with anything that pinhead Beltran might understand. He cant deal > > with anything better than "Fancy a quickie".....................So, do any > > of you have any suggestions? > > > <g> ROTFLMAO! Are you picking on us?

2000-06-07 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Juli17" <juli17@aol.com> wrote in message news:20000607011838.29033.00002104@ng-bj1.aol.com... > > > >He doesn't know. And *he* at least *does* get storylines. Of course > >he'd rant about how little he gets and how he hates it... instead of > >being thankful that he gets something *at all* - not everybody is that > >lucky :-((((( > > > >Julianna > >-------- > > He's never ranted about how little he gets, but about how bad the writing is. > And not only for his character. He's also no Braga fan. In fact there's > something very familiar about his negative opinion of both.... hmmm... > > I'd say he'd fit right in on this newsgroup ;-) > > I almost gotta wonder why people don't admire him more for having the guts to > say what everybody here thinks... <sigh> Because everybody pegged him as a mediocre actor years ago and never bothers to really look and change their opinion of him. Apparently they would all rather see someone who just trots out the same old stuff at every convention they go to and gives the same standard answers year after year. The fact that he doesnt worship at the altar of Star Trek upsets a lot of people, but I would say he is probably more grounded than alot of the fans. Sure he has his bad points, but he also has some good ones and I would far rather go and see someone who tells it like it is rather than what they think the fans would want to hear. I mean he could stand there and say he has been desperate for J/C to kiss for years and begged the producers to do it and the fans would love that but it wouldnt be true, or he could do what he does and say he really doesnt care because its made his character look ridiculous and its just a non event. I'd rather hear the second than the first. Lisa

2000-06-07 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - ("David B." <bothecat@hotmail.com>)


Citizen G'Kar wrote: > > Allie Andrews <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk> wrote in article > <8hitin$kfn$1@plutonium.compulink.co.uk>... > > I will probably regret asking this (but I am a glutton for > > punishment)...........As many of you know Lisa, Therese & I are off to > "An > > Evening with Robert Beltran" on Saturday, anyway, I have been racking my > > brains to think of a good question to ask him and typically can't come up > > with anything better than "Fancy a quickie".....................So, do > any > > of you have any suggestions? > > "Why did you stop acting after Initiations?" C'mon, he's acted a couple of times since then...

2000-06-07 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (evilklowwn@aol.comedy)


Lisa doth write thus: >"Allie Andrews" <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk> wrote in message >news:8hitin$kfn$1@plutonium.compulink.co.uk... >> I will probably regret asking this (but I am a glutton for >> punishment)...........As many of you know Lisa, Therese & I are off to "An >> Evening with Robert Beltran" on Saturday, anyway, I have been racking my >> brains to think of a good question to ask him and typically can't come up >> with anything better than "Fancy a quickie".....................So, do any >> of you have any suggestions? You could ask why his good performances are only ever in episodes where Chakotay is an incidental character. >Oh Allie, you are braver than me! I have had this post poised for weeks, >but have been too scared to do it <g> What, scared of *us*?? <EG> ***************************************** "Insanity is a part of the times, Vir: You must learn to *embrace* the madness!!" Londo Mollari

2000-06-07 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Doreen Hartz <dthartz@inwave.com>)


"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:r8hqjssr5uq50clgk04ndqspd4knupspla@4ax.com... > On Tue, 06 Jun 2000 06:35:26 -0700, Michele <belanna@uswest.net> > wrote: > > >Allie Andrews wrote: > >> > >> I will probably regret asking this (but I am a glutton for > >> punishment)...........As many of you know Lisa, Therese & I are off to "An > >> Evening with Robert Beltran" on Saturday, anyway, I have been racking my > >> brains to think of a good question to ask him and typically can't come up > >> with anything better than "Fancy a quickie".....................So, do any > >> of you have any suggestions? > >> > >> Allie > >> x > > > >Ah, allie is a perv. Ask when he and the others will have > >good storylines. That does not include seven. > > > > He doesn't know. And *he* at least *does* get storylines. Of course > he'd rant about how little he gets and how he hates it... instead of > being thankful that he gets something *at all* - not everybody is that > lucky :-((((( When I saw RB, while this season was filming, he made no rants whatsoever about his character or his not having any episodes, and he invited US to tell him what we were delighted and disappointed with concerning the show. So, of course, you might be wrong about his interaction with his fans. Doreen

2000-06-07 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Doreen Hartz <dthartz@inwave.com>)


"Steve Christianson" <stevechristianson@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:393D0E31.A38@yahoo.com... > X-No-Archive: yes > > > > Allie Andrews wrote: > > > > I will probably regret asking this (but I am a glutton for > > punishment)...........As many of you know Lisa, Therese & I are off to "An > > Evening with Robert Beltran" on Saturday, anyway, I have been racking my > > brains to think of a good question to ask him and typically can't come up > > with anything better than "Fancy a quickie".....................So, do any > > of you have any suggestions? > > > Questions for Beltran: > > 1. "Is Chakotay's tattoo done with magic marker, or do they just have > you lie down and roll a tire over your forehead?" > > 2. "Could you say 'I AM NOT JANEWAY'S BITCH!' in a really loud, Alpha > male voice?" > > 3. "Why does Scarlett Pomers get better lines than you?" > > 4. "Does it bother you to hear people laughing about Night Of The Comet > whenever your acting resume is mentioned?" > > 5. "Have you ever fantasized about having three English women shag you > like a wildebeest in heat?" LOL...Nice Job Steve! Definitely go with this list...RB's answers might surprise you! Doreen

2000-06-07 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (juli17@aol.com)


> >He doesn't know. And *he* at least *does* get storylines. Of course >he'd rant about how little he gets and how he hates it... instead of >being thankful that he gets something *at all* - not everybody is that >lucky :-((((( > >Julianna >-------- He's never ranted about how little he gets, but about how bad the writing is. And not only for his character. He's also no Braga fan. In fact there's something very familiar about his negative opinion of both.... hmmm... I'd say he'd fit right in on this newsgroup ;-) I almost gotta wonder why people don't admire him more for having the guts to say what everybody here thinks... Julie

2000-06-08 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Doreen Hartz <dthartz@inwave.com>)


"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:ed00ksce91n5kpp6th8nk85cov5kil26jb@4ax.com... > On Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:13:05 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" <dthartz@inwave.com> > wrote: > > > > >"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message > >news:ne6tjsg5ehrj1sri5nhjjks59atls0icho@4ax.com... > >> On Wed, 7 Jun 2000 00:01:38 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" <dthartz@inwave.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> >When I saw RB, while this season was filming, he made no rants whatsoever > >> >about his character or his not having any episodes, and he invited US to > >> >tell him what we were delighted and disappointed with concerning the > >show. > >> >So, of course, you might be wrong about his interaction with his fans. > >> > > >> > >> I've seen him, I know how he treated that audience then. He had not > >> the least respect for anyone there and the only questions he had any > >> use for were ones like: "May I come onstage and give you a present?" > >> or similar stuff. Comments like: "If I may say so, you are gorgeous > >> (snicker, giggle)!". *That*'s what caught his interest, not any > >> comment about the show or the character that anybody in the audience > >> made > > > >Well Julianna, he had to learn how to deal with that kind of junk from fans. > >He was kind, respectful and charming, and utterly delighted that we were > >there. > > well - I suspect you were adoring him. As I've pointed out, female > adulation was about the only thing he *did* deal with well... I would hardly think chatting about his brother's concert the night before was adulation, and that is what I talked to the man about. He also went out of his way to ask me if I were having a good time, and to thank me for coming...hardly in any way related to adulation. > > >RB is not politically correct about Trek, so I would guess that those > >answers were not the easiest for him. > >It will be interesting to see what Lisa, Allie and Therese see. > > > > indeed - though I have a pretty good idea what it will be... So do I, and I think they will be charmed and happy. Doreen

2000-06-08 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - ("Chris W." <el_capitano@geocities.com>)


Julianna wrote: > > how much the crew really appreciates him, > > they still do? At the very least, Harry, B'Elanna, Neelix, Seven, Kes, and Janeway still appreciate him. I'd like to think Paris does as well, though he has an odd way of showing it. But Paris has major emotional problems, so that's to be expected. > >He is Janeway's chief tactical advisor. He is the one she trusts more than > >Chakotay. > > that was *years* ago! > > >He knows Starfleet regulations inside and out; > > I bet Janeway knows them as well. And ambitious young Harry too... Have you read "Mosaic"? Jeri Taylor makes it clear that Tuvok knows the regulations better than Janeway. That's part of the reason Janeway admires him: she knows she can trust him do do his job flawlessly because he knows precisely how to do it. > >futhermore, he > >knows when to apply them and when not to. He is a mentor to Harry, Neelix, > > I think these two are the only ones that do not merely tolerate him > but actually like him. At least Neelix. Harry proved to be a real > friend in "Riddles" as well... Harry and Neelix definately consider him a friend, and I think Janeway does too. After all, she showed concern for him in "Riddles" and replicated him a birthday cake in "Fury". You don't do those kinds of things for someone who isn't your friend. > >and, to a lesser degree, Torres. His knowledge of strategy and weapons is > >unsurpassed by anyone on Voyager. > > *cough* Seven *cough*.... Seven's got an awful lot of knowledge about how weapons work, but not a lot of knowledge about how to use them. The Borg just blast their way around Starfleet technology without bothering to understand how to best use it. It is, after all, inferior to the weapons found on Borg Cubes. Tuvok has both technical and practical knowledge about weapons. Plus he has imagination to draw on to help him plan strategies. For the Borg (and thus for Seven), strategy is irrelevant. Seven is a technical consultant; Tuvok is a weapons expert. > >His mastery of logic is likewise unparalleled. > > though that's not really appreciated most of the time... Unfortunately, that's Human nature. But there are some who appreciate it. Like Harry. > >He's the only crew member to actually be promoted during > >Voyager's six-year stint in the Delta Quadrant. > > *cough* Tommy *cough*... Tom started off as a Lieutenant, and is currently a Lieutenant. Tuvok started off as a Lieutenant (despite the Lieutenent-Commander's pips he wore on occasion in the first season) and is now a Lieutenant-Commander - the same rank as the ship's First Officer. > > He even helped buld the Delta Flyer! > > > > LOL! He prevented it from getting stupid fins... :-) Plus I bet he helped Seven design the weapons and shield systems. > >Unfortunately, Neelix was poorly written the majority of the > >time we saw him, and has thus become associated with buffonish behaviour. > >The same is not true of Tuvok. > > but it becomes more true every week... he's the entire ship's laughing > stock now thanks to Tommy and Chucky and Janeway having dumped him... Neelix is, and always will be, the ship's laughing stock. Unless Paris continues turning dates into cows, that is. > >The space sickness probably affected Vorik just as much as it did Tuvok. It > >was a particular anomaly that happened to affect Vulcans more than Humans. > >What's so unreasonable about that? > > the way others reacted to it (barometer) for instance... cold, > unfeeling, heartless and downright cruel... Nah, there was no malice behind the barometer comment. It was just Paris making a smart-ass remark while trying to lighten the mood. A harmless joke. > >The sleeping on the bridge is faulty > >execution of a well-intentioned idea, namely that Tuvok would work himself > >beyond his limits to assist Harry and B'Elanna. > > which made him look stupid, since not working yourself to exhaustion > doesn't help anybody... Not as stupid as Chakotay in "One Small Step". Or Janeway in "Basics". > >He's head of Security, and thus the one person on the ship who is expected > >to be the most injured or incapacitated. > > actually the head of Security should be better able to protect himself > and defend himself... When has he been injured due to incompetance? Most of the time he gets hurt, it's either not his fault (eg space sickness) or he's putting himself in harm's way to save others (eg "Tsunkatse" or "Year of Hell"). > >Not constantly trashed by Paris. Besides, he gives as good as he gets. > > not really this season - actually not really after he caved in to > Tommy in "Gravity"... He didn't cave in to anyone ever. Tuvok isn't like that. > >Remember his insubordinate insult to Paris on the bridge in "The Haunting of > >Deck 12"? Paris shut up pretty quickly after that. > > *one* example in over a year... He was practically mocking Paris in "Bride of Chaotica!". Besides, Tuvok is above that kind of thing. > >In "Equinox 2", Chakotay is relieved of duty. Tuvok isn't despite the fact > >that he uses the same arguments as Chakotay. > > she threatens to do so, though, unless he shuts up. He does so, thus > stays on duty... Did she threaten Chakotay? Nope. She just releived him of duty without warning. Tuvok, on the other hand, gets a warning. > not at all. She only ever has dinner/coffe/whatever in her quarters > with Chucky. She only ever says that she trusts *nobody* more than > Chucky (i.e.: *not* Tuvok) etc. Well of course she's going to tell Chakotay that. He's her First Officer, and she was trying to forge a bond between the Starfleet and maquis crews. She has to have Chakotay think that he's the one she trusts most so that he will make her the one he trusts most. What kind of message would she be delivering to the maquis crew if she tells the senior maquis that she doesn't trust him as much as she trusts Tuvok? Remember that most of the Maquis didn't like Tuvok because he was spying on them. And as for why she never has dinner with Tuvok, we learn in "Riddles" that Tuvok spends most of his off-duty time alone in his quarters. Janeway, as his friend, is most likely respecting his privacy instead of forcing him to spend time with others (including herself) over dinner. > >Yep. He got plenty of scenes that hurt his character, and only two episodes > >where he was given something good to do ("Fury" and "Haunting"). > > > > And Tuvok did not get plenty of scenes that hurt his character? (Space > sickness, for instance, or sleeping on the bridge, or gratuitous pon > farr references, or getting thrown out of the room when he wants to > discuss matters of security etc.) > Unfortunately in many eps that was the one and only scene he had... Tuvok's had roughly the same number of good scenes and bad scenes this season. Chakotay's bad scenes far outnumber his good ones. > >Oh come on. Picardo's been around for way longer than Tim has. I'd bet Bob's > >known more for being Coach Cutlip on "The Wonder Years" or for being Dr. > >Whoever on "China Beach" than he is for being The Doctor on Voyager. > > probably a combination of it all... I'd bet he's best known for "The Wonder Years". It got much better ratings than "China Beach" or Voyager. Besides, with the ratings that Voyager's getting these days, I doubt the average individual watches it. Remember the Voyager category on Jeopardy? None of the contestants knew any of the answers. Exposure on Voyager means nothing in the world of Hollywood. If there was a Voyager movie, that might change. > >So who's done non-Voyager work in the last 6 years? Jeri, Kate, Robbie, and > >Garrett. Bob's done one or two commercials, I think. > > Roxann guest starred on a series this year, Beltran did his "Hamlet" > in theaters a couple of years back... they *all* have been working > outside Voyager... > > > And Tim's put out two > >CDs and produced a movie. It sounds to me like he's done the most! > > except, he has not worked for others. He did his movie himself, > co-wrote it, produced it and co-starred in it. So he doesn't have to share the credit with anyone else. It shows that he doesn't need others to get work. > >He was the most prominent in "Riddles", > > no, that was Ethan Phillips, who had almost twice the dialogue and was > in considerably more scenes as well... The episode was about Tuvok. Neelix may have had more lines and more scenes, but he was talking about Tuvok in most of them. It was a Tuvok-centered episode. > > and was almost the most prominent in > >"Fury". > > at best the #3 character... since Janeway and Kes were *far* more > prominent... And at #3, he had more to do than the rest of them combined. > >No, Enberg's an unknown background "actor" that nobody but his step-mother > >will hire. Russ will do just fine. Don't you trust Tim to make the most of > >his career? > > I would - if talent and professionalism meant anything. They don't. > Not only are they irrelevant, they are probably even a hindrance to a > career. The less talented and the less professional you are, the more > likely you are to be given a chance. And another one. And a third one, > if your character *still* does not work... So talent is irrelevant. I'd argue that exposure on Voyager is also irrelevant. Tim needs connections in the television industry. He's got them. All he needs is a copy of "Meld" or "Riddles" or "Innocence" and someone to show them to. Do you really think Picardo or Mulgrew will use dozens of Voyager episodes to get them a job? I think it's much more likely that they'll pick one or two stand-out episodes and use them as references. Tim's got enough to do that, so he'll have no trouble whatsoever finding work. Chris W.

2000-06-08 00:00:00 - Re: Spoilers for Unimatrix Zero 2 (wasRe: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Thu, 08 Jun 2000 07:07:41 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >Ronda wrote >S >P >O >I >L >E >R > >S >P >A >C > >A >N >D >A >B >I >T >M >O >R >E > > >> >> >> >> 1. We have seen more personal inteaction between Janeway and >> >> Chakotay this season. Are TPTB perhaps setting up a change in >> >> their relationship? >> > >> >Ah, have you seen the spoilers for Unimatrix Zero 2 by any >> chance........... >> >> >> I have yet to see any spoilers for Unimatrix Zero 2 as of yet. >> If anyone knows where they may be located, please post a URL >> here, or email me at: rfsexton@yahoo.com I would love to see >> the spoilers. > >I'll try and find the URL, but it was a few days ago. Bearing in mind that >this ep is only just being written, so apparently this info is subject to >change. > >Chakotay goes into the neural link and into Unimatrix Zero where he and Capt >Janeway have a discussion about their life together, it is possible that it >will either end with a kiss or that at the last moment she is pulled back to >be a drone again. > >The other point mentioned was that Chak may do all of this through Seven and >not actually go into the link himself, but he is also reported to have a >conversation with Seven about both of their love lives. > Jeez, does that sound disgusting, or what??????? Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-08 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:08:28 +0100, "Allie Andrews" <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >VoyagerLady <voyagerlady13NOvoSPAM@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message >news:16cb5430.b1467035@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com... >> Some questions for Robert Beltran........ >> >> 1. We have seen more personal inteaction between Janeway and >> Chakotay this season. Are TPTB perhaps setting up a change in >> their relationship? >> >> 2. What do you want to see happen with your character in the >> last season? >> >> 3. Of all the movies you've done, which is your favorite and >> why? >> >> Ronda > > >Thanks you Rhonda. Some good questions there. I think I might go fo number 2 >:-) > >Allie >x > The answer is: "I don't care. I am not much into SF anyway, I much prefer love stories..." Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-08 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:09:12 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" <dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: > >"VoyagerLady" <voyagerlady13NOvoSPAM@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message >news:16cb5430.b1467035@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com... >> Some questions for Robert Beltran........ >> >> 1. We have seen more personal inteaction between Janeway and >> Chakotay this season. Are TPTB perhaps setting up a change in >> their relationship? > >LOL Ronda, >that would make season 7 alot more interesting upon the return home, so I >can't see it happening (not to mention it would make too many fans happy). > and make the other half gag... >> >> >> 2. What do you want to see happen with your character in the >> last season? > >That was my question too. >I know his standard answer will be "I don't care, I just want a well-written >story, that makes sense for the character", so I think that you would have >to include something like "what kind of background information would you >like to be written for Chakotay" or what kind of "return to the Alpha >Quadrant" story would you prefere? > does he even give such things a thought? >> >> 3. Of all the movies you've done, which is your favorite and >> why? > >I think I'd add: >Could you clarify for us: Do you really like Chakotay, since rumor says >that you don't? "I'm not into SF all that much, therefore it's hard to identify with a fictional character like that... no, I don't care" >If you could change things about how Chakotay is written, what would they >be, and why? "Since I don't care I really don't think anything would make a difference." >Or, what acting challenges with Chakotay would you like to have, now that >it's the last chance? > "I actually don't like SF all that much, I much prefer for instance romances, where you know where the character stands and why he does what he does... but I don't really care as long as I get my screentime and center stage" Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-08 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:09:33 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" <dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: > >"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message >news:f06tjso3cn9k7v2h8auklnjus9vun6f9md@4ax.com... >> On Tue, 6 Jun 2000 23:57:32 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" <dthartz@inwave.com> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> Lemme see: Equinox II - supporting part > >Badly written....I thought he was right (most Chak fans will, and if you >read the novel, it's pretty clear) but none of it was done from Chakotay's >past experiences...he's been Ransom and had a chance at redemption. >May I point out that Tuvok also had a supporting part, *much* smaller than Chucky's, though... >and she doesn't >confine him to quarters for opposing her. Chakotay's valid alternatives are >nearly sneered at by Janeway. Tuvok gave in to her - probably because he thought remaining on duty would do more good than getting confined to quarters... >> Survival Instinct: scene with Janeway (trashing Tuvok) and scene with >> Seven > >I have to agree with you here, but Tuvok gave as good as he got in this and >Tuvok had his scenes as well. > when? where? >> Barge of the Dead - several minutes of screentime > >Yes, very good B/Chak but Tuvok also had good screentime, including the >batleth scene. > that was the only thing he got... >> Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy: see above > >Yes, all the background players had a ball with the Doc's fantasies, which >is what made this ep so great for me, since I find the Doc a bore. Tuvok >and Chak's commiserating looks at having to deal with the Doc's ego on the >bridge, were hilarious. > at least Chucky didn't have to put up with a gratuitous pon farr reference... >> Alice: Chucky in charge > >That's what I liked about this episode...no argument. > while Tuvok *again* had to deal with a gratuitous pon farr reference... >> Riddles: a week off for Beltran > >Yup, and lots of good character-building, good Tuvok-emphasizing material. he actually had less lines than Chucky had in "One Small Step"... >Although, J and C close together in the conference room and the look on >Chak's face when Tuvok is on the bridge were high points for me (you don't >have to respond to this, I know you didn't see the same thing:-) > right... >> Dragon's Teeth: ensemble part > >BUT, Chakotay validly objects to the Captain leading the away team, and she >blows him off and takes TUVOK with her. Tuvok competently does everything >in this ep (although he should have pointed out the punishment for Idiot >Seven, with the cumulative knowledge of thousands of species, for opening >that pod on an away mission) whereas Chakotay's warnings to Janeway (which >once again proved to be true,) were ignored. >Agreed in advance at the idiot editing that left Tuvok on the planet.... > so - a bad ep for both... >> One Small Step: *Big* part >But one where his character was fit into the part and once again re-created, >despite Chakotay finally being passionate about something and making a very >valid point to Seven. so it wasn't all bad... >No way would the spiritual Chakotay of Season 2, who values the lives of his >crewmen, endanger the lives of Tantrum-throwing Seven or Paris, to satisfy >his own curiosity. but maybe the reckless Chucky of Season 2 that went after Seska himself because he had to settle a cause with her... >Here's Chakotay's lame-ass injury (like Tuvok's in Tsunkatse) so >Wonder-Woman Seven can yet again save the day...UGH...Season 2 Chakotay >would have belted her for her attitude to him in the Delta Flyer and told >Janeway to stuff it. > actually season 2 Chucky was that weakling that got knocked down by Tommy on the bridge... >> Voyager Conspiracy: *big* supporting part > >Yes, and a good one, but once again, after Resolutions, SEVEN coming between >J and C really weakens both characters. Tuvok had a good scene with Seven >which did not make him look duped in any way. > Tuvok basically was not there. And Seven's accusations against *him* did not bother Janeway at all. She just couldn't believe that Chucky was involved, since she "trusts nobody more than him"... and it was Chucky that gets invited to her quarters for coffee or whatever. Shows pretty much who she likes and who she doesn't... >> Pathfinder: as little as everybody els >And yes, a totally boring ep > actually I liked the cat... >> Fair Have: *good* scene with Janeway > >Agreed...only redeeming thing to this piece of crap. > unlike somebody else who had to make do with character assassination of the worst sort... >> Blink of an Eye: nice stuff with B'Elanna > >And Tuvok didn't have scenes in this ep? > not all that much, just bridge lines >> Virtuoso: nothing much > >another boring ep...although watching the Doc get taken down, is usually >rewarding for me > I liked the singing replica :-) >> Memorial: major part > >But once again, the character used to give the other side of the story (this >anguish should not be forced on people) rather than make it consistant with >characteristics about Chakotay already known (Nemesis, and Unity, where he >was forced to relive other people's experiences). He was also the only >character whose feelings about his experiences where not told. >Janeway once again, blew off his objections like she didn't care. and who was able to deal with Neelix and rescue Naomi??????? >Tuvok was the reassuring, knowledgeable officer who could offer Harry the >resolution Harry needed. > yes, but he had 2 minutes of screentime and Chucky had 15... >> Tsunkatse: Captain Chucky > >Yes, who needed the Delta Flyer to land the final blow for him (weakest part >of this ep IMO) and who had no problem watching combat to the death, other >than a token line to Neelix...totally inconsistent again with Chakotay's >established character. Yes, he loves sports, and his scenes with the crew >were in keeping with what we know. >Tuvok was written as competently doing his job, taking the kidding, and >giving fantastic advice to Seven when she needed it. He came off very well, >despite being injured, unlike Chakotay in One Small Step. > he had to depend on a woman to save his life! :-((((((((( >> Collective: minor part, but interacting with others > >But unable to get his away team away from the Borg without the aid of Wonder >Woman, totally passive plot device. Tuvok on the other hand, was guiding >Harry and giving him the correct advice that Harry chose to ignore. > it's not as if blowing up stuff would have helped Seven's negotiations with the brats, though... >> Spirit Folk: not all that much > >Thank goodness...his look at Janeway like she's out of her mind when Michael >is on the bridge, is the saving grace to this ep. Chakotay also got to give >the idiot science line in B'Elanna's objection scene. > it's not as if Tuvok had all that much to do in it... >> Ashes to Ashes: important scene with Seven > >Don't remember it so it couldn't be that important...was this the advice on >the Borgy Bunch? > yeah, that they also need time for recreation and fun and a bit more liberty in their curriculum... it's not as if *he* had so much experience with kids, though... now if Tuvok, a father himself, had said that. Or Neelix, who acts as Naomi's godfather... >> Child's Play: not all that much > >Thank goodness...this was just a hideous episode, contrary to everything >that his good about Trek, IMO. At least Tuvok was on the away team. > where he did exactly *nothing* Chucky, OTOH, was allowed to accompany her to the Science Fair... >> Good Shepherd: important scene with Janeway > >Agreed. > while all Tuvok had was the immortal line: "I'll look into it"... >> Live Fast and Prosper: not all that much > >No, and Tuvok's character was appealing and his double just loved him. >Chakotay's double was played as having more guts to defy his captain than >Chak does. but where did he get the information to play him that way??? From the computer logs, I suppose??? So what does that tell us about the computer logs on Chucky? > >> Fury: Chucky in action > >Agreed...good scenes and Chakotay was a good commander, BUT Tuvok was once >again in the loop and Chakotay out of it. He had no clue what would happen >when Kes appeared and Tuvok did. Great interaction between Janeway and >Tuvok. > yep, because it took place in the past. She doesn't give him the time of the day in the present anymore... >> Muse: not all that much > >Odd, since his best friend, B'Elanna was lost on that planet. > at least he didn't sleep on the job... >> Life Line: important scene with Janeway > >Agreed, best part of the show, along with the Doc killing the fly. > Tuvok, OTOH, had *no lines at all*. Not *one*. And he was on screen for less than 30 seconds. >> Haunting of Deck 12: ensemble player >Yes, and good with B, but Tuvok had a much larger and more important, plus >character-implying story with Neelix. > and got zapped again and had to be rescued by Neelix... >> Unimatrix Zero: ensemble player > >Yes, but he's damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't....he agrees with >Janeway and he looks like a weakling. If he were the objector, he'd be used >again to point out the line of action janeway rejected. >He gets lines like "anything you want done around here...carpets cleaned..." >like he's going to be dusting the bridge, hey, maybe he'd be good at *that*! :-) >while the away team is doing the >important part (including Tuvok). I liked Janeway's response to that line, >delivered flawlessly by RB, so I can't say I was all that bugged. >Chakotay, arguably, is the expert on dreams, and no consultation. He has >been linked to the collective, yet no inclusion. Only Seven is considered >important of the crew remaining on Voyager. Tuvok on the other hand, is the >facilitator for this whole thing to happen. let's wait for part II before we make hasty assumptions, shall we? >"The sacrifice of Voyager and her crew would be a small price to pay" >(Chakotay's line in the conference room)...who the heck is this??? The man >who argues all the time for the priority of the safety and well-being of the >crew? >Tuvok on the other hand, competently pointed out that Janeway should take a >security officer, and she does. He efficiently does his job throughout the >episode, without changing any known parameters about his character to fit >the episode. and gets himself assimilated... >> >> so what on earth is so bad about that????????????????? >LOL...I think I gave you my gripes <G> > but they are nowhere near as bad as mine... >> >> there is not *one* ep with no lines or only one line, there is not one >> ep where he gets trashed by anybody or where he falls asleep or gets >> space sick or anything bad and demeaning! > >Agreed...Chakotay is never used for comic relief , other than being teased >by B'Elanna. Neither is the captain, so I guess it comes from being captain >and XO, which is why he is seen as boring. > nope - Tommy isn't used that way either. They would not *dream* of treating RB or RDM with so little respect... >> >> >and if it weren't for those 30 seconds of beautiful dimples in each >episode, >> >I wouldn't be watching this show any longer. >> >> It's *far* more than 30 seconds of dimples, more like 5 minutes... now >> if we were talking about Tuvok - was he even on screen for as long as >> 30 seconds in "Life Line"??????? > >Maybe not... most definitely not. >That's all in perspective Julianna. >Chakotay's screen time and importance was way down from earlier seasons, >something I have heard you complain about concerning Tuvok since I found >this newsgroup. Now, it's my turn. >Tuvok, on the other hand, along with Neelix, made a nice recovery in Season >6 his screentime has dropped *again*! Never before has he had as many eps with less than 10 lines. Never before has he had so much demeaning, humiliating crap in one single season than now. > and was emphasized a lot more than Season 5. That should be encouraging >for you in Season 7. > Well.. if the trend continues, any simple guest actor will have more lines in *one* ep than Tuvok all season... Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-08 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:13:05 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" <dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: > >"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message >news:ne6tjsg5ehrj1sri5nhjjks59atls0icho@4ax.com... >> On Wed, 7 Jun 2000 00:01:38 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" <dthartz@inwave.com> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > >> >When I saw RB, while this season was filming, he made no rants whatsoever >> >about his character or his not having any episodes, and he invited US to >> >tell him what we were delighted and disappointed with concerning the >show. >> >So, of course, you might be wrong about his interaction with his fans. >> > >> >> I've seen him, I know how he treated that audience then. He had not >> the least respect for anyone there and the only questions he had any >> use for were ones like: "May I come onstage and give you a present?" >> or similar stuff. Comments like: "If I may say so, you are gorgeous >> (snicker, giggle)!". *That*'s what caught his interest, not any >> comment about the show or the character that anybody in the audience >> made > >Well Julianna, he had to learn how to deal with that kind of junk from fans. >He was kind, respectful and charming, and utterly delighted that we were >there. well - I suspect you were adoring him. As I've pointed out, female adulation was about the only thing he *did* deal with well... >RB is not politically correct about Trek, so I would guess that those >answers were not the easiest for him. >It will be interesting to see what Lisa, Allie and Therese see. > indeed - though I have a pretty good idea what it will be... Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-08 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:34:28 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" <dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: > >"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message >news:q4btjs40tkjmmccstpihkkg4v3ib8a90jf@4ax.com... >> On Wed, 07 Jun 2000 19:32:07 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >> >> >Julianna wrote >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> I almost gotta wonder why people don't admire him more for having >the >> >guts >> >> >to >> >> >> say what everybody here thinks... >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ><sigh> >> >> > >> >> >Because everybody pegged him as a mediocre actor years ago >> >> >> >> and why do you think that is the case?? Maybe because he failed to >> >> impress us right from the beginning????? >> > >> >Maybe he didnt, but for others he did. Its just horses for course >Julianna >> >I'm afraid. >> > >> >> maybe - but don't tell us that we didn't give him a chance. We > >You and who else Julianna? > all those here that make wooden jokes. I'm not the only one... >did not >> hate him from the beginning. It's just that he impressed most of us >> *far* less than most others do. He *is* only mediocre compaired to >> them. At best. > >Kind of like me and Jeri Ryan...when I get past her boobs, there's nothing >there...mediocre at best.... >But that would be my opinion, and I did try to give her a chance at first, >but seeing one lame scene after another means she has more boring Voyager >eps on my list than any other character, and she has certainly had a greater >chance to impress me than all the other characters combined because she's >had more eps in 3 years than they have had in 6. >> well, Chucky had more than most others as well. Especially in season 2... >> >> >> >> >and never bothers >> >> >to really look and change their opinion of him. >> >> >> >> oh, rest assured, we *do* look. We *have* to. He is forced down our >> >> throats often enough. The more I see him the less I am impressed... >> >> The only thing he *can* do is aggression > >Once again, your opinion. >Lisa and I (and probably Therese) have seen quite a few of his films other >than "Night of the Comet" (he's made 3 while on Voyager) and we would >disagree. > nothing he has done on Voyager would make me want to watch him if I can avoid it. I'm not a masochist, after all >> > >> >Really? I dont agree at all, some of his scenes with Janeway are very >> >tender and very caring. >> >> there is absolutely no warmth in that man and he has the *coldest* >> eyes I've ever seen in my entire life. > >Your opinion again, and someone else told me the exact same thing about Tim >Russ, in fact, called it a "wolfish look", and called him rude. LOL! What kind of deranged person was that??????? Tim has about the *most* expressive eyes I've seen! And he couldn't be rude if he wanted to! He actually was not even really rude enough when playing the Klingon on the DS9 ep... >His brown eyes were warm and laughing when I saw RB. > his eyes never laugh. Ask Jup, she has the same impression. It's not just me! >> >> > As for being forced down our throats you are >> >obviously watching a different show to me. >> > >> >> didn't you see the list of heavy parts I posted somewhere else? > >LOL...I answered them, and Tim had as much as RB this season. > nowhere close... <snip> >> Tim also may start off with a song - which is only natural, since he's >> advertising his CD and possibly a concert performance the same >> evening. It's not always the same song, though. He has 2 or 3 stories >> or gags that he *can* tell when it seems like there is no question >> forthcoming for the moment, but he does not tell them *all* the time. >> In other words, he *can* bridge an awkward silence, because he has a >> stock repertoire of things he can use to keep the audience >> entertained. That does not make him "not honest", "appealing to the >> audience" and all the other things you are accusing "the others" (as >> in: not Beltran) of. > >Lisa didn't accuse anyone with that statement. She was pointing out that RB >doesn't like to do a prepared set of things for each con. Perhaps the >spontanaeity is the appeal for him. >Some people prefer one or the other. Obviously you prefer the prepared >route. > I prefer what works. If spontaneity leads to awkward scenes like people not knowing to avoid certain topics then I don't appreciate it. If actors instead of answering the obvious stuff beforehand wait for nervous fans to spend 5 minutes on the microphone before they manage to spell out that they want to know how long the makeup takes, then that is awkward and not refreshing at all as well. >> >> > I believe Shammie said this was why she preferred >> >Garrett to Tim at the con she went to because Garrett was less prepared >and >> >gave more of himself than Tim did. >> >> >> Garrett may be a bit more spontaneous, but he isn't "sucking up to the >> audience" either, and he, too, keeps telling the same stories (like >> the elbow-thing). I wouldn't say that he gives more of himself than >> Tim does. Maybe in different areas and in a different way. Neither of >> them would *ever* consider not answering a reasonable question - or at >> least trying to answer it. > >When I saw RB, he answered every question, and kindly. he did nothing of that sort when *I* met him... in fact he talked a lot but didn't really *say* anything... >Suzy would tell you the same thing about Portland, only she would probably >tell you that he answered every question humorously. > nope. And his smile was not genuine. He had to look down every now and then to relax his face muscles, then he composed his face into a smile again and looked up... >> >> > The fact >> >> >that he doesnt worship at the altar of Star Trek upsets a lot of >people, >> >but >> >> >I would say he is probably more grounded than alot of the fans. >> >> >> >> he doesn't have to worship at the altar of Star Trek, but he shouldn't >> >> make it sound like everybody who watches Star Trek (for whichever >> >> reason, among others, to see his work) is a nerd >> > >> >Does he? The tape I've seen shows nothing like this at all. >> > >> >> well, when I saw him that was exactly how he behaved... > >Well he's stated his feelings about the fans openly and often, and they are >positive. > then why does he treat them so poorly???? And not just the fans, I might add. >> >> >> >> >> > Sure he has >> >> >his bad points, but he also has some good ones and I would far rather >go >> >and >> >> >see someone who tells it like it is rather than what they think the >fans >> >> >would want to hear. >> >> > >> >> >> >> What makes you think others tell what the fans would want to hear but >> >> is not their own opinion????? Which others do that???? > >I think she's referring to just how politically correct some of the actors >are. I could tell you which ones I perceived as being completely full of it >when I saw them... >(no, Tim was not one of them, nor was RB) > *some* maybe, but she made it sound as if she were talking about *everybody but* Beltran. After all, she used this attitude of his as an explanation why *he* is hated, while others are not... >> >> >I mean he could stand there and say he has been desperate for J/C to >kiss >> >> >for years and begged the producers to do it and the fans would love >that >> >> >> >> *some* fans might, but some others wouldn't, since not everybody is a >> >> J/C-fan >> > >> >Considering that most of his fans, myself *not* included, tend to be >J/Cers. >> > >> >> *some* - not all > >But alot, and my perception of J/C is different from RB's, and that's my >right too...doesn't make his viewpoint belittle mine. He saw J/C as >one-sided from only Chak, and I did not. > whatever he thinks, he should *say* it and not joke around and pretend he hasn't heard the question... >> > >> >As I said people have off days and if he says at the start of a talk, >which >> >I've read that he has done sometimes, that J/C is not an issue >> >> he did nothing of the sort. He asked for coffee and refused to start >> before somebody had brought him coffee - and he came on late already >> anyway. Apparently it's impossible to set an alarm and start your job >> on time... *I* should do that - my boss would get furious! > >You have no idea what went on to make people late. According to the people >who know him...they run his website and set up a good deal of the Galaxy >Ball stuff with him... being late is not one of RB's faults. Things happen >at cons that push schedules around. well... his was the *first* talk of the day (i.e. no previous even running overtime), he was staying at the hotel, so no traffic problems, the premises had been open long enough for the audience to get access, *everything* was set and waiting for *him* - but he just didn't bother to appear in time... > I've heard some really interesting Jeri Ryan stories and noone's bashing >her here for being demanding. > I have never seen her, so I can't say anything good or bad about her. What I have heard from others would be *their* impression. Beltran I *have* seen and my impression was extremely negative... >> >> perhaps not everybody is the most avid Beltran fan and reads >> everything available on him in every mag and on the net. If he goes to >> a convention he must expect to meet people that are here just out of >> curiosity, to see what he is like, and that have *not* studied up on >> him. He owes them the explanation that some topics are off limits. But >> since it's a bad thing to prepare a little speech for the start of a >> guest talk he can't do than and people who have no way of knowing that >> this is a sensitive topic will be targeted by his wrath... > >Sorry, never saw any, and people asked him about just about everything. >I'm sorry that your experience was negative, but mine was completely >positive and surprising, because people bash RB for things that he just >isn't. He doesn't take the time to correct it so maybe that's how these >impressions get started. I don't know, but he was exactly as I described him when *I* saw him. Maybe there's two of him? An evil twin and a nice twin??? >I saw a somewhat shy, shy????????? Beltran??????????????? > charming man who loves his job, his co-workers, his >character and particularly, being an actor. you forgot: "himself" > He was sensitive to his fans >and enjoyed interacting with us, in fact seemed to be relaxed and energised >by it. >I hope Lisa, Allie, and Therese have the same kind of experience. > I don't have much hope for them, though.. Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-08 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Citizen G'Kar <Narns@allEXCEPTSPAMisurvey.freeserve.co.uk>)


Ann Johnson <Johnson.Ann@att.net> wrote > > > Here's my question: What did you do with the money your parents gave you > for acting lessons? Spent it all on Grecian 2000 over the last couple of seasons... -- -- "Oh, go away. Repress someone else." http://www.onelist.com/group/CouroPrido

2000-06-08 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:15:22 -0700, "Chris W." <el_capitano@geocities.com> wrote: > >Julianna wrote: > >> >Depends on how you look at it. Out of all the characters on Voyager, >Tuvok >> >has arguably fared the best out of all of them. He hasn't been written as >an >> >immature jerk like Tom. He's allowed to learn things >> >> how to make desserts??? :-) > >How to make desserts, how to express his feelings, he knew that right from the beginning... > how much the crew really >appreciates him, they still do? >how Neelix interprets their friendship, etc. > that's true and that's the part I liked best about "Haunting": that Tuvok actually tries to help Neelix deal with his fear and shows that he cares about the little Talaxian as well.. >> > and be thought of as >> >One Who Knows A Lot Of Things, >> >> what *does* he know that the others appreciate????? > >He is Janeway's chief tactical advisor. He is the one she trusts more than >Chakotay. that was *years* ago! >He knows Starfleet regulations inside and out; I bet Janeway knows them as well. And ambitious young Harry too... >futhermore, he >knows when to apply them and when not to. He is a mentor to Harry, Neelix, I think these two are the only ones that do not merely tolerate him but actually like him. At least Neelix. Harry proved to be a real friend in "Riddles" as well... >and, to a lesser degree, Torres. His knowledge of strategy and weapons is >unsurpassed by anyone on Voyager. *cough* Seven *cough*.... >His mastery of logic is likewise >unparalleled. though that's not really appreciated most of the time... >He's the only crew member to actually be promoted during >Voyager's six-year stint in the Delta Quadrant. *cough* Tommy *cough*... > He even helped buld the >Delta Flyer! > LOL! He prevented it from getting stupid fins... :-) >> >unlike Harry. He's not a yes-man, like >> >Chakotay. He isn't written to look like an idiot on a regular basis, like >> >Neelix. >> >> because unlike Neelix he barely ever shows up. And Neelix was *not >> written to look like an idiot very often this season. Actually Neelix >> was treated pretty well. > >Neelix was treated well this season. Just like Tuvok was treated well >earlier on. *years* ago... >Unfortunately, Neelix was poorly written the majority of the >time we saw him, and has thus become associated with buffonish behaviour. >The same is not true of Tuvok. > but it becomes more true every week... he's the entire ship's laughing stock now thanks to Tommy and Chucky and Janeway having dumped him... >> > He hasn't become a charicature of himself, like Holodoc and Seven. >> >> he hasn't? What about the non-existing pon farr, the space sickness, >> the sleeping on the bridge????? > >The space sickness probably affected Vorik just as much as it did Tuvok. It >was a particular anomaly that happened to affect Vulcans more than Humans. >What's so unreasonable about that? the way others reacted to it (barometer) for instance... cold, unfeeling, heartless and downright cruel... >The sleeping on the bridge is faulty >execution of a well-intentioned idea, namely that Tuvok would work himself >beyond his limits to assist Harry and B'Elanna. which made him look stupid, since not working yourself to exhaustion doesn't help anybody... > The non-existant pon farr is >different. Do we even know it's missing? Sure there's been no mention of it, >but that's probably the way Tuvok would like it to happen. Given TPTB's >fondness as of late for stories that take place in the past, maybe we'll get >Tuvok's pon farr story next year. > yeah, sure... and it will feature the tooth fairy and Santa... :-(((((((( >> >He isn't boinking a hologram, like Janeway. And he's often shown doing >the >> >job he's supposed to, >> >> unless he's ill, injured or otherwise incapacitated > >He's head of Security, and thus the one person on the ship who is expected >to be the most injured or incapacitated. > actually the head of Security should be better able to protect himself and defend himself... >> >unlike Torres. And there's no chance he'll get the >> >kind of treatment Kes did in "Fury". Yes, they had him falling asleep on >the >> >bridge, but that's *one incident* in six seasons. >> >> and he gets constantly trashed by Tommy and can't help it and he got >> space sick and dumped by Janeway to make room for Chucky... :-((((( > >Not constantly trashed by Paris. Besides, he gives as good as he gets. not really this season - actually not really after he caved in to Tommy in "Gravity"... >Remember his insubordinate insult to Paris on the bridge in "The Haunting of >Deck 12"? Paris shut up pretty quickly after that. *one* example in over a year... >And as for Chakotay, it's >clear that she trusts Tuvok more than him. Remember the Bad-Boy Paris >mini-arc? Who was left out of the loop? that was before she dumped him >Remember Janeway's recognition of >Seven in "Relativity"? Once again Tuvok is in the loop and chakotay isn't. yep, since it's a flashback to the early seasons, before she had dumped him... >In "Fury", who knows what happened to Kes? Janeway and Tuvok. Not Chakotay. since that part of the ep took place in season 1 where she had not dumped him yet... >In "Equinox 2", Chakotay is relieved of duty. Tuvok isn't despite the fact >that he uses the same arguments as Chakotay. she threatens to do so, though, unless he shuts up. He does so, thus stays on duty... > Janeway's actions prove that >she trusts Tuvok more than Chakotay. > not at all. She only ever has dinner/coffe/whatever in her quarters with Chucky. She only ever says that she trusts *nobody* more than Chucky (i.e.: *not* Tuvok) etc. >> >He's had it the best out of all the cast. >> > >> >> >most of what Chakotay got sucked. The most significant Chakotay >episode, >> >> >"One Small Step", made him look like a fool. In "Equinox 2", when he >finally >> >> >shows signs of life, he's relieved of duty. Of all the characters >seaon 6 >> >> >has been unkind to, Chakotay's the one who got it the worst. >> >> >> >> at least he *did* have scenes and screentime and lines... in *every* >> >> episode... > >Yep. He got plenty of scenes that hurt his character, and only two episodes >where he was given something good to do ("Fury" and "Haunting"). > And Tuvok did not get plenty of scenes that hurt his character? (Space sickness, for instance, or sleeping on the bridge, or gratuitous pon farr references, or getting thrown out of the room when he wants to discuss matters of security etc.) Unfortunately in many eps that was the one and only scene he had... >> >Screen time is not all it's cracked up to be. Look how much screen time >> >Picardo got in "Virtuoso" and look how sick people are of Holodoc now. >> >> but I bet people in the casting industry are impressed that he gets so >much to do > >Oh come on. Picardo's been around for way longer than Tim has. I'd bet Bob's >known more for being Coach Cutlip on "The Wonder Years" or for being Dr. >Whoever on "China Beach" than he is for being The Doctor on Voyager. > probably a combination of it all... >> >People started hating Seven because of all the screen time she got in >season 4. >> >> but Ryan is the one who gets other stuff to do outside Voyager - >> *because* of her screentime and exposure! > >So who's done non-Voyager work in the last 6 years? Jeri, Kate, Robbie, and >Garrett. Bob's done one or two commercials, I think. Roxann guest starred on a series this year, Beltran did his "Hamlet" in theaters a couple of years back... they *all* have been working outside Voyager... > And Tim's put out two >CDs and produced a movie. It sounds to me like he's done the most! > except, he has not worked for others. He did his movie himself, co-wrote it, produced it and co-starred in it. >> > Every time the Borg get screen time, they get worse and worse. RDM had >> >oodles of screen time in "Someone to Watch Over Me" and "Spirit Folk", >and >> >it killed his character. >> > >> >You can't still think that Tim Russ will have difficulty finding a career >> >after Voyager. Hell, "Meld" alone will get him whatever show he wants, >> >> like Voyager?? (sarcastic mode off) Because *despite* his excellent >> performances he doesn't stand a chance and will never get a starring >> part again. Have you realized that he'll end the series with not *one* >> episode where he was the most prominent regular in the entire second >> half of the series???? Not even *one* in three and a half years! >> :-((((((((((((! > >He was the most prominent in "Riddles", no, that was Ethan Phillips, who had almost twice the dialogue and was in considerably more scenes as well... > and was almost the most prominent in >"Fury". at best the #3 character... since Janeway and Kes were *far* more prominent... > Plus he played key roles in "Juggernaut", last year... > "Barge of the Dead", >"Haunting", and "Unimatrix Zero". > *small* supporting parts at best, all four. Not *one* real starring part... >> > not >> >to mention his excellent performance in "Riddles". Plus, he directed a >> >fan-favorite episode: "Living Witness". Who else in the cast can claim >that? >> >> But thanks to his continued non-presence he's an unknown background >> actor that *nobody* will think of when looking for a fine actor to >> play a challenging part. > >No, Enberg's an unknown background "actor" that nobody but his step-mother >will hire. Russ will do just fine. Don't you trust Tim to make the most of >his career? I would - if talent and professionalism meant anything. They don't. Not only are they irrelevant, they are probably even a hindrance to a career. The less talented and the less professional you are, the more likely you are to be given a chance. And another one. And a third one, if your character *still* does not work... Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-08 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Wed, 07 Jun 2000 23:35:30 GMT, Steve Christianson <stevechristianson@yahoo.com> wrote: >X-No-Archive: yes > > > >Julianna Feigl wrote: >> >> >So which characters have received no lines this season? >> > >> > >> >> Neelix, for instance, in "Blink of an Eye" *and* in "Unimatrix Zero". >> Tuvok in "Life Line". I'm sure if they had complained and asked for a >> line or two to be added to make it worth their while to go to the >> studio and get into makeup and costume nobody would have listened to >> them in the first place... > > >Dont they have to get at least one line in order to get paid? I thought >there was some Actors' Guild or contract deal on this. If so, I'd be >bitching up a storm if I was them. > I'm not sure. I think they have to be in the episode at all in order to get paid. Sure, most of the time TPTB try to add the token line ("I concur with that analysis" Tuvok, "11:59" - his only line in the ep), but sometimes they don't. I'm not sure what happens if an actor actually worked on the ep and then his one scene gets cut (as happened to Roxann in "Riddles". Since the ep ran overtime and she was not too comfortable with having had to direct herself, her scene was one of the first that had to go). >OT: I lost your post about receiving my phone call, Jules. Feel free to >call me back any time, I don't keep regular hours. :-) I'll keep that in mind! Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-08 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On 08 Jun 2000 02:32:36 GMT, evilklowwn@aol.comedy (Bozo the Evil Klown) wrote: >Lisa doth write thus: > >>> He's never ranted about how little he gets, but about how bad the writing >>is. >>> And not only for his character. He's also no Braga fan. In fact there's >>> something very familiar about his negative opinion of both.... hmmm... >>> >>> I'd say he'd fit right in on this newsgroup ;-) > >Stranger people have; we're a fairly eclectic bunch. > he'd be begging on his knees to get flamed, though... >>> I almost gotta wonder why people don't admire him more for having the guts >>to >>> say what everybody here thinks... > >For the most part, only his more devoted fans even know. For most of us it's >simply a matter of what we see (or *don't* see) on the screen every week. > exactly - or at a convention... >><sigh> >> >>Because everybody pegged him as a mediocre actor years ago and never bothers >>to really look and change their opinion of him. > >*If* we're not looking, then how do you explain the praise he gets for the rare >times when he actually does act, such as "Equinox II?" > umm... I'm still convinced that the only thing he *'can* do is aggression or violence >>Apparently they would all >>rather see someone who just trots out the same old stuff at every convention >>they go to and gives the same standard answers year after year. The fact >>that he doesnt worship at the altar of Star Trek upsets a lot of people, > >The fact is, only his devoted fans even *know* this stuff to begin with. I've >never been to a Con, and it's not likely I will in the near future either. > >George Takei and Nichelle Nichols and Walter Koenig certainly never heard of >"Star Trek" before being hired on the show. Despite being a *lot* deeper in >the background than any modern-Trek regular, they almost always did *something* >when they could get camera time. > they were professionals... >>but >>I would say he is probably more grounded than alot of the fans. Sure he has > >Trees are *always* grounded; that's why you don't want to stand under the tall >ones in a rainstorm. > ROTFLOL!!!!! >>his bad points, but he also has some good ones and I would far rather go and >>see someone who tells it like it is rather than what they think the fans >>would want to hear. >> >>I mean he could stand there and say he has been desperate for J/C to kiss >>for years and begged the producers to do it and the fans would love that but >>it wouldnt be true, or he could do what he does and say he really doesnt >>care because its made his character look ridiculous and its just a non >>event. I'd rather hear the second than the first. > >I frankly don't care if he SETS FIRE TO THE DAMNED CON, if only he acted on a >regular basis, instead of once or twice a year. excellent point! Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-08 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Thu, 08 Jun 2000 03:23:32 GMT, "Ann Johnson" <Johnson.Ann@att.net> wrote: > >"Allie Andrews" <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk> wrote in message >news:8hitin$kfn$1@plutonium.compulink.co.uk... >> I will probably regret asking this (but I am a glutton for >> punishment)...........As many of you know Lisa, Therese & I are off to "An >> Evening with Robert Beltran" on Saturday, anyway, I have been racking my >> brains to think of a good question to ask him and typically can't come up >> with anything better than "Fancy a quickie".....................So, do any >> of you have any suggestions? > > >Here's my question: What did you do with the money your parents gave you >for acting lessons? > That is *the* best question I've ever heard!!!!!!! Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-08 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Allie Andrews <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk>)


Steve Christianson <stevechristianson@yahoo.com> > My mom is OK, I had a long talk with her about the process of estate > administration and what may have to be done with respect to her evil > sister. I got back to the ICQ chat an hour later or so, *just* as > everyone was leaving! :-( Sorry about that. No problem Steve. Glad you are working things out :-) Allie x

2000-06-08 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Doreen Hartz <dthartz@inwave.com>)


"VoyagerLady" <voyagerlady13NOvoSPAM@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message news:16cb5430.b1467035@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com... > Some questions for Robert Beltran........ > > 1. We have seen more personal inteaction between Janeway and > Chakotay this season. Are TPTB perhaps setting up a change in > their relationship? LOL Ronda, that would make season 7 alot more interesting upon the return home, so I can't see it happening (not to mention it would make too many fans happy). > > > 2. What do you want to see happen with your character in the > last season? That was my question too. I know his standard answer will be "I don't care, I just want a well-written story, that makes sense for the character", so I think that you would have to include something like "what kind of background information would you like to be written for Chakotay" or what kind of "return to the Alpha Quadrant" story would you prefere? > > 3. Of all the movies you've done, which is your favorite and > why? I think I'd add: Could you clarify for us: Do you really like Chakotay, since rumor says that you don't? If you could change things about how Chakotay is written, what would they be, and why? Or, what acting challenges with Chakotay would you like to have, now that it's the last chance? Doreen

2000-06-08 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Doreen Hartz <dthartz@inwave.com>)


"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:f06tjso3cn9k7v2h8auklnjus9vun6f9md@4ax.com... > On Tue, 6 Jun 2000 23:57:32 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" <dthartz@inwave.com> > wrote: > > > > >"Chris W." <el_capitano@geocities.com> wrote in message > >news:393d4f50_2@binaries.vphos.net... > >> > >> "Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message > >> news:r8hqjssr5uq50clgk04ndqspd4knupspla@4ax.com... > >> > >> > He doesn't know. And *he* at least *does* get storylines. Of course > >> > he'd rant about how little he gets and how he hates it... instead of > >> > being thankful that he gets something *at all* - not everybody is that > >> > lucky :-((((( > >> > >> Chakotay got less in season 6 than Tuvok or Neelix, and unlike those two, > >> most of what Chakotay got sucked. The most significant Chakotay episode, > >> "One Small Step", made him look like a fool. In "Equinox 2", when he > >finally > >> shows signs of life, he's relieved of duty. Of all the characters seaon 6 > >> has been unkind to, Chakotay's the one who got it the worst. > >> > >> Chris W. > >> > >> > >Thank you Chris. > >My feelings exactly... > > Lemme see: Equinox II - supporting part Badly written....I thought he was right (most Chak fans will, and if you read the novel, it's pretty clear) but none of it was done from Chakotay's past experiences...he's been Ransom and had a chance at redemption. May I point out that Tuvok also had a supporting part, and she doesn't confine him to quarters for opposing her. Chakotay's valid alternatives are nearly sneered at by Janeway. > Survival Instinct: scene with Janeway (trashing Tuvok) and scene with > Seven I have to agree with you here, but Tuvok gave as good as he got in this and Tuvok had his scenes as well. > Barge of the Dead - several minutes of screentime Yes, very good B/Chak but Tuvok also had good screentime, including the batleth scene. > Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy: see above Yes, all the background players had a ball with the Doc's fantasies, which is what made this ep so great for me, since I find the Doc a bore. Tuvok and Chak's commiserating looks at having to deal with the Doc's ego on the bridge, were hilarious. > Alice: Chucky in charge That's what I liked about this episode...no argument. > Riddles: a week off for Beltran Yup, and lots of good character-building, good Tuvok-emphasizing material. Although, J and C close together in the conference room and the look on Chak's face when Tuvok is on the bridge were high points for me (you don't have to respond to this, I know you didn't see the same thing:-) > Dragon's Teeth: ensemble part BUT, Chakotay validly objects to the Captain leading the away team, and she blows him off and takes TUVOK with her. Tuvok competently does everything in this ep (although he should have pointed out the punishment for Idiot Seven, with the cumulative knowledge of thousands of species, for opening that pod on an away mission) whereas Chakotay's warnings to Janeway (which once again proved to be true,) were ignored. Agreed in advance at the idiot editing that left Tuvok on the planet.... > One Small Step: *Big* part But one where his character was fit into the part and once again re-created, despite Chakotay finally being passionate about something and making a very valid point to Seven. No way would the spiritual Chakotay of Season 2, who values the lives of his crewmen, endanger the lives of Tantrum-throwing Seven or Paris, to satisfy his own curiosity. Here's Chakotay's lame-ass injury (like Tuvok's in Tsunkatse) so Wonder-Woman Seven can yet again save the day...UGH...Season 2 Chakotay would have belted her for her attitude to him in the Delta Flyer and told Janeway to stuff it. > Voyager Conspiracy: *big* supporting part Yes, and a good one, but once again, after Resolutions, SEVEN coming between J and C really weakens both characters. Tuvok had a good scene with Seven which did not make him look duped in any way. > Pathfinder: as little as everybody els And yes, a totally boring ep > Fair Have: *good* scene with Janeway Agreed...only redeeming thing to this piece of crap. > Blink of an Eye: nice stuff with B'Elanna And Tuvok didn't have scenes in this ep? > Virtuoso: nothing much another boring ep...although watching the Doc get taken down, is usually rewarding for me > Memorial: major part But once again, the character used to give the other side of the story (this anguish should not be forced on people) rather than make it consistant with characteristics about Chakotay already known (Nemesis, and Unity, where he was forced to relive other people's experiences). He was also the only character whose feelings about his experiences where not told. Janeway once again, blew off his objections like she didn't care. Tuvok was the reassuring, knowledgeable officer who could offer Harry the resolution Harry needed. > Tsunkatse: Captain Chucky Yes, who needed the Delta Flyer to land the final blow for him (weakest part of this ep IMO) and who had no problem watching combat to the death, other than a token line to Neelix...totally inconsistent again with Chakotay's established character. Yes, he loves sports, and his scenes with the crew were in keeping with what we know. Tuvok was written as competently doing his job, taking the kidding, and giving fantastic advice to Seven when she needed it. He came off very well, despite being injured, unlike Chakotay in One Small Step. > Collective: minor part, but interacting with others But unable to get his away team away from the Borg without the aid of Wonder Woman, totally passive plot device. Tuvok on the other hand, was guiding Harry and giving him the correct advice that Harry chose to ignore. > Spirit Folk: not all that much Thank goodness...his look at Janeway like she's out of her mind when Michael is on the bridge, is the saving grace to this ep. Chakotay also got to give the idiot science line in B'Elanna's objection scene. > Ashes to Ashes: important scene with Seven Don't remember it so it couldn't be that important...was this the advice on the Borgy Bunch? > Child's Play: not all that much Thank goodness...this was just a hideous episode, contrary to everything that his good about Trek, IMO. At least Tuvok was on the away team. > Good Shepherd: important scene with Janeway Agreed. > Live Fast and Prosper: not all that much No, and Tuvok's character was appealing and his double just loved him. Chakotay's double was played as having more guts to defy his captain than Chak does. > Fury: Chucky in action Agreed...good scenes and Chakotay was a good commander, BUT Tuvok was once again in the loop and Chakotay out of it. He had no clue what would happen when Kes appeared and Tuvok did. Great interaction between Janeway and Tuvok. > Muse: not all that much Odd, since his best friend, B'Elanna was lost on that planet. > Life Line: important scene with Janeway Agreed, best part of the show, along with the Doc killing the fly. > Haunting of Deck 12: ensemble player Yes, and good with B, but Tuvok had a much larger and more important, plus character-implying story with Neelix. > Unimatrix Zero: ensemble player Yes, but he's damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't....he agrees with Janeway and he looks like a weakling. If he were the objector, he'd be used again to point out the line of action janeway rejected. He gets lines like "anything you want done around here...carpets cleaned..." like he's going to be dusting the bridge, while the away team is doing the important part (including Tuvok). I liked Janeway's response to that line, delivered flawlessly by RB, so I can't say I was all that bugged. Chakotay, arguably, is the expert on dreams, and no consultation. He has been linked to the collective, yet no inclusion. Only Seven is considered important of the crew remaining on Voyager. Tuvok on the other hand, is the facilitator for this whole thing to happen. "The sacrifice of Voyager and her crew would be a small price to pay" (Chakotay's line in the conference room)...who the heck is this??? The man who argues all the time for the priority of the safety and well-being of the crew? Tuvok on the other hand, competently pointed out that Janeway should take a security officer, and she does. He efficiently does his job throughout the episode, without changing any known parameters about his character to fit the episode. > > so what on earth is so bad about that????????????????? LOL...I think I gave you my gripes <G> > > there is not *one* ep with no lines or only one line, there is not one > ep where he gets trashed by anybody or where he falls asleep or gets > space sick or anything bad and demeaning! Agreed...Chakotay is never used for comic relief , other than being teased by B'Elanna. Neither is the captain, so I guess it comes from being captain and XO, which is why he is seen as boring. > > >and if it weren't for those 30 seconds of beautiful dimples in each episode, > >I wouldn't be watching this show any longer. > > It's *far* more than 30 seconds of dimples, more like 5 minutes... now > if we were talking about Tuvok - was he even on screen for as long as > 30 seconds in "Life Line"??????? Maybe not... > > Julianna That's all in perspective Julianna. Chakotay's screen time and importance was way down from earlier seasons, something I have heard you complain about concerning Tuvok since I found this newsgroup. Now, it's my turn. Tuvok, on the other hand, along with Neelix, made a nice recovery in Season 6 and was emphasized a lot more than Season 5. That should be encouraging for you in Season 7. Doreen

2000-06-08 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Doreen Hartz <dthartz@inwave.com>)


"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:ne6tjsg5ehrj1sri5nhjjks59atls0icho@4ax.com... > On Wed, 7 Jun 2000 00:01:38 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" <dthartz@inwave.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > >When I saw RB, while this season was filming, he made no rants whatsoever > >about his character or his not having any episodes, and he invited US to > >tell him what we were delighted and disappointed with concerning the show. > >So, of course, you might be wrong about his interaction with his fans. > > > > I've seen him, I know how he treated that audience then. He had not > the least respect for anyone there and the only questions he had any > use for were ones like: "May I come onstage and give you a present?" > or similar stuff. Comments like: "If I may say so, you are gorgeous > (snicker, giggle)!". *That*'s what caught his interest, not any > comment about the show or the character that anybody in the audience > made Well Julianna, he had to learn how to deal with that kind of junk from fans. He was kind, respectful and charming, and utterly delighted that we were there. RB is not politically correct about Trek, so I would guess that those answers were not the easiest for him. It will be interesting to see what Lisa, Allie and Therese see. Doreen

2000-06-08 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Wed, 07 Jun 2000 20:53:59 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >Julianna wrote > > >> > >> >> maybe - but don't tell us that we didn't give him a chance. We did not >> hate him from the beginning. It's just that he impressed most of us >> *far* less than most others do. He *is* only mediocre compaired to >> them. At best. > >I never said you didnt give him a chance, just that maybe some people might >like to step back and look again through fresh eyes at what they see now. > Lisa, the problem is, it's not all that great... >> >Really? I dont agree at all, some of his scenes with Janeway are very >> >tender and very caring. >> >> there is absolutely no warmth in that man and he has the *coldest* >> eyes I've ever seen in my entire life. > >I see plenty of warmth in them and in him. > sigh! We have to disagree on that one - I freeze to death when I see him onscreen >> >> > As for being forced down our throats you are >> >obviously watching a different show to me. >> > >> >> didn't you see the list of heavy parts I posted somewhere else? > >I did and I replied to it<g> > saw it ! >> >> >> >> >> a) why do you believe these people and not me? > >Who said I didnt believe you? I respect your opinion just as I respect the >opinions of all the other peoples that I read. well... you don't seem to be willing to accept that Beltran can be *abysmally* rude and unfriendly... >> >What makes their >> comments so much more believable than mine? Go and see the actors for >> yourself and *then* make a judgment. > ><sigh> If I could afford to I would, as it is I have to base my discussions >on the things that I have read and seen. > second hand experience is not the same, though... > >> Tim also may start off with a song - which is only natural, since he's >> advertising his CD and possibly a concert performance the same >> evening. It's not always the same song, though. He has 2 or 3 stories >> or gags that he *can* tell when it seems like there is no question >> forthcoming for the moment, but he does not tell them *all* the time. >> In other words, he *can* bridge an awkward silence, because he has a >> stock repertoire of things he can use to keep the audience >> entertained. That does not make him "not honest", "appealing to the >> audience" and all the other things you are accusing "the others" (as >> in: not Beltran) of. > >Okay, I never said he wasnt honest and I havent "accused" people of >anything, just made an observation. > well, it sure sounded like that. You said that people probably hate Beltran because *he* tells it as it is instead of saying what the fans want him to. That implies that his position is unique (otherwise more actors would be as much disliked as he is) and that those that *are* liked by the audience tell the kind of things the fans want to hear. >> >> > I believe Shammie said this was why she preferred >> >Garrett to Tim at the con she went to because Garrett was less prepared >and >> >gave more of himself than Tim did. >> >> >> Garrett may be a bit more spontaneous, but he isn't "sucking up to the >> audience" either, and he, too, keeps telling the same stories (like >> the elbow-thing). I wouldn't say that he gives more of himself than >> Tim does. Maybe in different areas and in a different way. Neither of >> them would *ever* consider not answering a reasonable question - or at >> least trying to answer it. > >Who mentioned "sucking up to the audience"? I didnt. > see above - those liked by the audience apparently tell the kind of stuff the audience *wants* to hear, while Beltran is hated for *not* doing that. At least that's how I read your post... >> >> >> >> > The fact >> >> >that he doesnt worship at the altar of Star Trek upsets a lot of >people, >> >but >> >> >I would say he is probably more grounded than alot of the fans. >> >> >> >> he doesn't have to worship at the altar of Star Trek, but he shouldn't >> >> make it sound like everybody who watches Star Trek (for whichever >> >> reason, among others, to see his work) is a nerd >> > >> >Does he? The tape I've seen shows nothing like this at all. >> > >> >> well, when I saw him that was exactly how he behaved... > >Exactly! Two different places, two different times. You seem willing to >make excuses for other people yet you cant for him? I make excuses for people that obviously try. People may have their off days, but normally that means that they are less concentrated, less witty, less willing to talk to you during autograph session etc. It is rather rare that actors get downright rude. Beltran was such an exception, and that is behavior I don't tolerate - after all, it's his job. *I* have to perform well in the office on my off days as well or I'll have to deal with the consequences. Why should *he* be forgiven and excused? > How do you know what >was happening in his life that weekend and what other things may have been >affecting him? > there is hardly an excuse for being downright rude. Actually I've seen one particular person once (I'm not going to say who or when or where) and I know exactly what was happening in this person's life (something *really* bad that most people deal terribly with) and the on stage performance was *awful* - but *never, ever* rude. > >> >> and because they always get asked the same stuff (that's not *their* >> fault, you know! the audience asks the questions!) and answer it the >> same way (since they are not likely to change their mind on something >> in a drastic way within 2 months) that makes them *not* telling it >> like it is?????? Is it completely impossible that they are telling >> things all the time because that's *their* opinion and they stick to >> it and feel strongly about it and that's why they say it????? >> Some are like that, you know. > >Thats fine and I dont have a problem with that, I just dont understand your >criticism for someone who chooses to do things differently. > *you* said you prefer Beltran's telling things how they are to telling the same old, same old always. These two are not mutually exclusive. You *can* be telling the same thing over and over again and it's *still* the truth and their own opinion. And if Beltran answered any questions at all he'd also say the same all the time, because there tend to be the same type of question at every convention. >> >> >> >> >> >I mean he could stand there and say he has been desperate for J/C to >kiss >> >> >for years and begged the producers to do it and the fans would love >that >> >> >> >> *some* fans might, but some others wouldn't, since not everybody is a >> >> J/C-fan >> > >> >Considering that most of his fans, myself *not* included, tend to be >J/Cers. >> > >> >> *some* - not all > >probably the majority, go look at the fanfic and see. > maybe, maybe not... >> >> > He's said he wont >> >discuss it and yet he still gets asked it. >> >> He had *not* said he won't discuss it. Since he is soo refreshing and >> does *not* do the "prepared" talk at the beginning... > >As I keep saying the reports I have read from various cons over the years, a >few have mentioned that he says at the start not to talk about it, the same >as the questions about his tattoo and whether he is Native American. > >> which is just as stupid. After all, *he* is the one that has been whining in interviews how hard it is for ethnic actors to find jobs and succeed in the industry. .... >> >> > There is enough information >> >available for people to know how he feels about it and perhaps they >should >> >respect his feelings on that. >> > >> >> perhaps not everybody is the most avid Beltran fan and reads >> everything available on him in every mag and on the net. If he goes to >> a convention he must expect to meet people that are here just out of >> curiosity, to see what he is like, and that have *not* studied up on >> him. He owes them the explanation that some topics are off limits. But >> since it's a bad thing to prepare a little speech for the start of a >> guest talk he can't do than and people who have no way of knowing that >> this is a sensitive topic will be targeted by his wrath... > >Stop twisting my words, I have never said that its a bad thing to prepare a >little speech. > Well.. you *did* say that some others always start with a prepared speech and that Beltran, who is sooo grounded, does not, because he is refreshing and tells things as they are :-) Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-08 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Doreen Hartz <dthartz@inwave.com>)


"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:q4btjs40tkjmmccstpihkkg4v3ib8a90jf@4ax.com... > On Wed, 07 Jun 2000 19:32:07 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: > > >Julianna wrote > > > > > >> >> > >> >> I almost gotta wonder why people don't admire him more for having the > >guts > >> >to > >> >> say what everybody here thinks... > >> > > >> > > >> ><sigh> > >> > > >> >Because everybody pegged him as a mediocre actor years ago > >> > >> and why do you think that is the case?? Maybe because he failed to > >> impress us right from the beginning????? > > > >Maybe he didnt, but for others he did. Its just horses for course Julianna > >I'm afraid. > > > > maybe - but don't tell us that we didn't give him a chance. We You and who else Julianna? did not > hate him from the beginning. It's just that he impressed most of us > *far* less than most others do. He *is* only mediocre compaired to > them. At best. Kind of like me and Jeri Ryan...when I get past her boobs, there's nothing there...mediocre at best.... But that would be my opinion, and I did try to give her a chance at first, but seeing one lame scene after another means she has more boring Voyager eps on my list than any other character, and she has certainly had a greater chance to impress me than all the other characters combined because she's had more eps in 3 years than they have had in 6. > > >> > >> >and never bothers > >> >to really look and change their opinion of him. > >> > >> oh, rest assured, we *do* look. We *have* to. He is forced down our > >> throats often enough. The more I see him the less I am impressed... > >> The only thing he *can* do is aggression Once again, your opinion. Lisa and I (and probably Therese) have seen quite a few of his films other than "Night of the Comet" (he's made 3 while on Voyager) and we would disagree. > > > >Really? I dont agree at all, some of his scenes with Janeway are very > >tender and very caring. > > there is absolutely no warmth in that man and he has the *coldest* > eyes I've ever seen in my entire life. Your opinion again, and someone else told me the exact same thing about Tim Russ, in fact, called it a "wolfish look", and called him rude. His brown eyes were warm and laughing when I saw RB. > > > As for being forced down our throats you are > >obviously watching a different show to me. > > > > didn't you see the list of heavy parts I posted somewhere else? LOL...I answered them, and Tim had as much as RB this season. > > >> > >> > Apparently they would all > >> >rather see someone who just trots out the same old stuff at every > >convention > >> >they go to and gives the same standard answers year after year. > >> > >> How many conventions have you been to? How do you know that others > >> trot out the same old stuff year after year after year? Who *have* you > >> met that does that??????? > > > >No, I havent been to conventions but I've read plenty of transcripts and > >reports from many conventions and plenty of people have said that *certain* > >actors, Tim included, give a prepared talk at the start which is the same > >stuff most of the time. > > a) why do you believe these people and not me? What makes their > comments so much more believable than mine? Go and see the actors for > yourself and *then* make a judgment. As for Tim doing a prepared talk: > Yes, he has thought about certain issues, the questions he does get > most often he has answers for, because he is smart enough to have > realized he will get that question again and is prepared and knows > what to say. He may also get some questions that will invariably turn > up answer right away, to get the issue out of the way. Roxann does > that as well. She has a list of most frequent questions that she > recites and answers at the beginning of her talk. That is not > unreasonable, since *some* members of the audience will *always* ask > how long the makeup takes, no matter how often they have said so. So > clearing these things up right ahead to save time is actually quite a > clever idea. > Tim also may start off with a song - which is only natural, since he's > advertising his CD and possibly a concert performance the same > evening. It's not always the same song, though. He has 2 or 3 stories > or gags that he *can* tell when it seems like there is no question > forthcoming for the moment, but he does not tell them *all* the time. > In other words, he *can* bridge an awkward silence, because he has a > stock repertoire of things he can use to keep the audience > entertained. That does not make him "not honest", "appealing to the > audience" and all the other things you are accusing "the others" (as > in: not Beltran) of. Lisa didn't accuse anyone with that statement. She was pointing out that RB doesn't like to do a prepared set of things for each con. Perhaps the spontanaeity is the appeal for him. Some people prefer one or the other. Obviously you prefer the prepared route. > > > I believe Shammie said this was why she preferred > >Garrett to Tim at the con she went to because Garrett was less prepared and > >gave more of himself than Tim did. > > > Garrett may be a bit more spontaneous, but he isn't "sucking up to the > audience" either, and he, too, keeps telling the same stories (like > the elbow-thing). I wouldn't say that he gives more of himself than > Tim does. Maybe in different areas and in a different way. Neither of > them would *ever* consider not answering a reasonable question - or at > least trying to answer it. When I saw RB, he answered every question, and kindly. Suzy would tell you the same thing about Portland, only she would probably tell you that he answered every question humorously. > > > >> > The fact > >> >that he doesnt worship at the altar of Star Trek upsets a lot of people, > >but > >> >I would say he is probably more grounded than alot of the fans. > >> > >> he doesn't have to worship at the altar of Star Trek, but he shouldn't > >> make it sound like everybody who watches Star Trek (for whichever > >> reason, among others, to see his work) is a nerd > > > >Does he? The tape I've seen shows nothing like this at all. > > > > well, when I saw him that was exactly how he behaved... Well he's stated his feelings about the fans openly and often, and they are positive. > > >> > >> > Sure he has > >> >his bad points, but he also has some good ones and I would far rather go > >and > >> >see someone who tells it like it is rather than what they think the fans > >> >would want to hear. > >> > > >> > >> What makes you think others tell what the fans would want to hear but > >> is not their own opinion????? Which others do that???? I think she's referring to just how politically correct some of the actors are. I could tell you which ones I perceived as being completely full of it when I saw them... (no, Tim was not one of them, nor was RB) > > > >Just from reports I've read saying that alot give pretty standard talks > >every con they go to. > > > > and because they always get asked the same stuff (that's not *their* > fault, you know! the audience asks the questions!) and answer it the > same way (since they are not likely to change their mind on something > in a drastic way within 2 months) that makes them *not* telling it > like it is?????? Is it completely impossible that they are telling > things all the time because that's *their* opinion and they stick to > it and feel strongly about it and that's why they say it????? > Some are like that, you know. > > >> > >> >I mean he could stand there and say he has been desperate for J/C to kiss > >> >for years and begged the producers to do it and the fans would love that > >> > >> *some* fans might, but some others wouldn't, since not everybody is a > >> J/C-fan > > > >Considering that most of his fans, myself *not* included, tend to be J/Cers. > > > > *some* - not all But alot, and my perception of J/C is different from RB's, and that's my right too...doesn't make his viewpoint belittle mine. He saw J/C as one-sided from only Chak, and I did not. > > >> > >> > but > >> >it wouldnt be true, or he could do what he does and say he really doesnt > >> >care because its made his character look ridiculous and its just a non > >> >event. > >> > >> > >> *that* would make just as many people happy as if he said he's an > >> ardent J/C-supporter. > >> What he should *not* do, however, is start talking about something > >> else entirely when asked about his opinion on J/C. And when he has > >> gone on for 10 minutes about this unrelated topic and the person who > >> asked the question politely reminds him that he hasn't answered the > >> question yet and would he please be so kind and do so now, that he > >> then starts joking around, saying: "The question? Didn't I answer it? > >> What was it anyway? Can anybody even still remember what the question > >> was?" etc. *That* made it look like he thought the person asking the > >> question was a complete jerk for even considering this question. > > > >As I said people have off days and if he says at the start of a talk, which > >I've read that he has done sometimes, that J/C is not an issue > > he did nothing of the sort. He asked for coffee and refused to start > before somebody had brought him coffee - and he came on late already > anyway. Apparently it's impossible to set an alarm and start your job > on time... *I* should do that - my boss would get furious! You have no idea what went on to make people late. According to the people who know him...they run his website and set up a good deal of the Galaxy Ball stuff with him... being late is not one of RB's faults. Things happen at cons that push schedules around. I've heard some really interesting Jeri Ryan stories and noone's bashing her here for being demanding. > > >and that he > >has nothing to say about it what do you want him to do? > > well, saying that at the beginning of the talk ("the prepared part", > that you hate so much and criticize in others) might be a good start. > At least it's less awkward to tell people that you don't want to talk > about a certain issue than to completely ignore them and make fun of > them when they dare asking something in that direction. > > > He's said he wont > >discuss it and yet he still gets asked it. > > He had *not* said he won't discuss it. Since he is soo refreshing and > does *not* do the "prepared" talk at the beginning... > > > > There is enough information > >available for people to know how he feels about it and perhaps they should > >respect his feelings on that. > > > > perhaps not everybody is the most avid Beltran fan and reads > everything available on him in every mag and on the net. If he goes to > a convention he must expect to meet people that are here just out of > curiosity, to see what he is like, and that have *not* studied up on > him. He owes them the explanation that some topics are off limits. But > since it's a bad thing to prepare a little speech for the start of a > guest talk he can't do than and people who have no way of knowing that > this is a sensitive topic will be targeted by his wrath... Sorry, never saw any, and people asked him about just about everything. I'm sorry that your experience was negative, but mine was completely positive and surprising, because people bash RB for things that he just isn't. He doesn't take the time to correct it so maybe that's how these impressions get started. I saw a somewhat shy, charming man who loves his job, his co-workers, his character and particularly, being an actor. He was sensitive to his fans and enjoyed interacting with us, in fact seemed to be relaxed and energised by it. I hope Lisa, Allie, and Therese have the same kind of experience. Doreen

2000-06-08 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - ("David B." <bothecat@hotmail.com>)


"Ta', 1/3 of the Janeway/Seven equation" wrote: > > VoyagerLady <voyagerlady13NOvoSPAM@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote > in message > news:0920ef6c.8d8a86a6@usw-ex0101-008.remarq.com... > > There has been quite a bit of discussion here regarding > the fact > > that Robert Beltran gets > > more lines than Tim Russ. > > > > Fact: Robert Beltran's Character is the First Officer. > His job > > is to assist Janeway in ship's > > business. He is second in command of Voyager. He handles > crew > > discipline. Therefore, > > he has more to do and has more scenes with Janeway. > > > > Fact: Tim Russ' character is the Chief of Security. He > handles > > the security teams. Most > > department reports are turned in to the Captain or > Chakotay. > > Therefore, Tuvok would > > seldom be giving Janeway an oral report, unless it was a > highly > > critical issue. Therefore > > he would not have as much screen time as Voyager. In > fact, being > > Chief of Security or > > Chief Tactical Officer, he would not have a lot to do > unless a > > security issue was raised as > > it was in "Survival Instinct." > > MAybe. Maybe not. But I think Janeway would *love* to have > Tuvok give her an "Oral"...er... Report any day... Stop putting your own fantasies on other people clone dood!

2000-06-08 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - ("David B." <bothecat@hotmail.com>)


Ann Johnson wrote: > > "Allie Andrews" <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk> wrote in message > news:8hitin$kfn$1@plutonium.compulink.co.uk... > > I will probably regret asking this (but I am a glutton for > > punishment)...........As many of you know Lisa, Therese & I are off to "An > > Evening with Robert Beltran" on Saturday, anyway, I have been racking my > > brains to think of a good question to ask him and typically can't come up > > with anything better than "Fancy a quickie".....................So, do any > > of you have any suggestions? > > Here's my question: What did you do with the money your parents gave you > for acting lessons? Dang, that's mean...

2000-06-08 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - ("David B." <bothecat@hotmail.com>)


Lisa wrote: > > "Allie Andrews" <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk> wrote in message > news:8hl1ov$cqi$2@plutonium.compulink.co.uk... > > > > Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote > > > > > <sigh> > > > > > > Because everybody pegged him as a mediocre actor years ago and never > > bothers > > > to really look and change their opinion of him. Apparently they would > all > > > rather see someone who just trots out the same old stuff at every > > convention > > > they go to and gives the same standard answers year after year. The > fact > > > that he doesnt worship at the altar of Star Trek upsets a lot of people, > > but > > > I would say he is probably more grounded than alot of the fans. Sure he > > has > > > his bad points, but he also has some good ones and I would far rather go > > and > > > see someone who tells it like it is rather than what they think the fans > > > would want to hear. > > > > Here, here! I particularly agree with you on the fact that people got an > > opinion of him and have stuck to it despite vast improvement more > > recently. I say that because I am someone who felt Beltran was not making > > much of an effort and was one of the poorer actors during the middle run > of > > the show. However, he has got much better! And given storylines that are > > more than saying yes to Janeway he is very good indeed! > > He is indeed! I've said before that if he cartwheeled around the bridge > naked singing The Sun Has Got His Hat On everyone would still say he was > dull! Actually, I'd call him a loon...

2000-06-08 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - ("Ta', 1/3 of the Janeway/Seven equation" <tateria@yahoo.com>)


David B. <bothecat@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:393F3335.1483708F@hotmail.com... > "Ta', 1/3 of the Janeway/Seven equation" wrote: > > > > VoyagerLady <voyagerlady13NOvoSPAM@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote > > in message > > news:0920ef6c.8d8a86a6@usw-ex0101-008.remarq.com... > > > There has been quite a bit of discussion here regarding > > the fact > > > that Robert Beltran gets > > > more lines than Tim Russ. > > > > > > Fact: Robert Beltran's Character is the First Officer. > > His job > > > is to assist Janeway in ship's > > > business. He is second in command of Voyager. He handles > > crew > > > discipline. Therefore, > > > he has more to do and has more scenes with Janeway. > > > > > > Fact: Tim Russ' character is the Chief of Security. He > > handles > > > the security teams. Most > > > department reports are turned in to the Captain or > > Chakotay. > > > Therefore, Tuvok would > > > seldom be giving Janeway an oral report, unless it was a > > highly > > > critical issue. Therefore > > > he would not have as much screen time as Voyager. In > > fact, being > > > Chief of Security or > > > Chief Tactical Officer, he would not have a lot to do > > unless a > > > security issue was raised as > > > it was in "Survival Instinct." > > > > MAybe. Maybe not. But I think Janeway would *love* to have > > Tuvok give her an "Oral"...er... Report any day... > > Stop putting your own fantasies on other people clone dood! <innocent look>

2000-06-08 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - ("David B." <bothecat@hotmail.com>)


Lisa wrote: > > Julianna wrote > > > >> > > >> I almost gotta wonder why people don't admire him more for having the > guts > > >to > > >> say what everybody here thinks... > > > > > > > > ><sigh> > > > > > >Because everybody pegged him as a mediocre actor years ago > > > > and why do you think that is the case?? Maybe because he failed to > > impress us right from the beginning????? > > Maybe he didnt, but for others he did. Its just horses for course Julianna > I'm afraid. I thought that he did a pretty good job until the beginning of the third season after the whole Seska thing was wrapped up. Since then it's been hit and miss.

2000-06-08 00:00:00 - Spoilers for Unimatrix Zero 2 (wasRe: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


Ronda wrote S P O I L E R S P A C A N D A B I T M O R E > >> > >> 1. We have seen more personal inteaction between Janeway and > >> Chakotay this season. Are TPTB perhaps setting up a change in > >> their relationship? > > > >Ah, have you seen the spoilers for Unimatrix Zero 2 by any > chance........... > > > I have yet to see any spoilers for Unimatrix Zero 2 as of yet. > If anyone knows where they may be located, please post a URL > here, or email me at: rfsexton@yahoo.com I would love to see > the spoilers. I'll try and find the URL, but it was a few days ago. Bearing in mind that this ep is only just being written, so apparently this info is subject to change. Chakotay goes into the neural link and into Unimatrix Zero where he and Capt Janeway have a discussion about their life together, it is possible that it will either end with a kiss or that at the last moment she is pulled back to be a drone again. The other point mentioned was that Chak may do all of this through Seven and not actually go into the link himself, but he is also reported to have a conversation with Seven about both of their love lives. Lisa

2000-06-08 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Ta', 1/3 of the Janeway/Seven equation" <tateria@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1mE%4.104353$v7.3790788@news-west.usenetserver.com... > > Ann Johnson <Johnson.Ann@att.net> wrote in message > news:UkE%4.255$iy.18724@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.. > . > > > > "Allie Andrews" <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk> wrote in > message > > news:8hitin$kfn$1@plutonium.compulink.co.uk... > > > I will probably regret asking this (but I am a glutton > for > > > punishment)...........As many of you know Lisa, Therese > & I are off to "An > > > Evening with Robert Beltran" on Saturday, anyway, I have > been racking my > > > brains to think of a good question to ask him and > typically can't come up > > > with anything better than "Fancy a > quickie".....................So, do any > > > of you have any suggestions? > > > > > > Here's my question: What did you do with the money your > parents gave you > > for acting lessons? > > ROFLMAO!!! Thats just so cruel I love it!!! > <sticks tongue out at Ta'>

2000-06-08 00:00:00 - Re: Spoilers for Unimatrix Zero 2 (wasRe: A question for Robert Beltran) - (VoyagerLady <voyagerlady13NOvoSPAM@yahoo.com.invalid>)


In article <1DH%4.3214$VK4.416289@news3.cableinet.net>, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >Ronda wrote >S >P >O >I >L >E >R > >S >P >A >C > >A >N >D >A >B >I >T >M >O >R >E > > >> >> >> >> 1. We have seen more personal inteaction between Janeway and >> >> Chakotay this season. Are TPTB perhaps setting up a change in >> >> their relationship? >> > >> >Ah, have you seen the spoilers for Unimatrix Zero 2 by any >> chance........... >> >> >> I have yet to see any spoilers for Unimatrix Zero 2 as of yet. >> If anyone knows where they may be located, please post a URL >> here, or email me at: rfsexton@yahoo.com I would love to see >> the spoilers. > >I'll try and find the URL, but it was a few days ago. Bearing in mind that >this ep is only just being written, so apparently this info is subject to >change. > >Chakotay goes into the neural link and into Unimatrix Zero where he and Capt >Janeway have a discussion about their life together, it is possible that it >will either end with a kiss or that at the last moment she is pulled back to >be a drone again. > >The other point mentioned was that Chak may do all of this through Seven and >not actually go into the link himself, but he is also reported to have a >conversation with Seven about both of their love lives. > >Lisa > Now, I recall hearing this on one of my email lists. It sounds rather unlikely though. I would love to see them kiss.....even in Unimatrix Zero. I don't want to see Seven and Chakotay talk about their love lives. Chakotay would not do that.......and Seven would say love is irrelavant. Ronda Who at 307 in the AM is still up............ * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!

2000-06-08 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (VoyagerLady <voyagerlady13NOvoSPAM@yahoo.com.invalid>)


In article <8hnkav$dud$3@plutonium.compulink.co.uk>, "Allie Andrews" <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >VoyagerLady <voyagerlady13NOvoSPAM@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message >news:16cb5430.b1467035@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com... >> Some questions for Robert Beltran........ >> >> 1. We have seen more personal inteaction between Janeway and >> Chakotay this season. Are TPTB perhaps setting up a change in >> their relationship? >> >> 2. What do you want to see happen with your character in the >> last season? >> >> 3. Of all the movies you've done, which is your favorite and >> why? >> >> Ronda > > >Thanks you Rhonda. Some good questions there. I think I might go fo number 2 >:-) > >Allie You're welcome, Allie. Glad to be able to help. Ronda * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!

2000-06-08 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Allie Andrews <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk>)


VoyagerLady <voyagerlady13NOvoSPAM@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message news:16cb5430.b1467035@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com... > Some questions for Robert Beltran........ > > 1. We have seen more personal inteaction between Janeway and > Chakotay this season. Are TPTB perhaps setting up a change in > their relationship? > > 2. What do you want to see happen with your character in the > last season? > > 3. Of all the movies you've done, which is your favorite and > why? > > Ronda Thanks you Rhonda. Some good questions there. I think I might go fo number 2 :-) Allie x

2000-06-08 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (evilklowwn@aol.comedy)


Lisa doth write thus: >> He's never ranted about how little he gets, but about how bad the writing >is. >> And not only for his character. He's also no Braga fan. In fact there's >> something very familiar about his negative opinion of both.... hmmm... >> >> I'd say he'd fit right in on this newsgroup ;-) Stranger people have; we're a fairly eclectic bunch. >> I almost gotta wonder why people don't admire him more for having the guts >to >> say what everybody here thinks... For the most part, only his more devoted fans even know. For most of us it's simply a matter of what we see (or *don't* see) on the screen every week. ><sigh> > >Because everybody pegged him as a mediocre actor years ago and never bothers >to really look and change their opinion of him. *If* we're not looking, then how do you explain the praise he gets for the rare times when he actually does act, such as "Equinox II?" >Apparently they would all >rather see someone who just trots out the same old stuff at every convention >they go to and gives the same standard answers year after year. The fact >that he doesnt worship at the altar of Star Trek upsets a lot of people, The fact is, only his devoted fans even *know* this stuff to begin with. I've never been to a Con, and it's not likely I will in the near future either. George Takei and Nichelle Nichols and Walter Koenig certainly never heard of "Star Trek" before being hired on the show. Despite being a *lot* deeper in the background than any modern-Trek regular, they almost always did *something* when they could get camera time. >but >I would say he is probably more grounded than alot of the fans. Sure he has Trees are *always* grounded; that's why you don't want to stand under the tall ones in a rainstorm. >his bad points, but he also has some good ones and I would far rather go and >see someone who tells it like it is rather than what they think the fans >would want to hear. > >I mean he could stand there and say he has been desperate for J/C to kiss >for years and begged the producers to do it and the fans would love that but >it wouldnt be true, or he could do what he does and say he really doesnt >care because its made his character look ridiculous and its just a non >event. I'd rather hear the second than the first. I frankly don't care if he SETS FIRE TO THE DAMNED CON, if only he acted on a regular basis, instead of once or twice a year. ***************************************** "Insanity is a part of the times, Vir: You must learn to *embrace* the madness!!" Londo Mollari

2000-06-08 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (evilklowwn@aol.comedy)


Steve doth write thus: >Dont they have to get at least one line in order to get paid? I thought >there was some Actors' Guild or contract deal on this. If so, I'd be >bitching up a storm if I was them. I believe (any insiders jump in if I'm wrong!!) the regular cast has a standard fee per episode negotiated (with suitably nightmarishly complicated residuals clauses). Their names in the credits "hold their place," so to speak, even in an ep where one doesn't actually appear. Semiregs, like Scarlett Pomers and Majel Barrett, probably also have a standard fee negotiated- *but* only for the eps they appear in (or V.O., in Barrett's case). ***************************************** "Insanity is a part of the times, Vir: You must learn to *embrace* the madness!!" Londo Mollari

2000-06-08 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Ann Johnson <Johnson.Ann@att.net>)


"Allie Andrews" <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:8hitin$kfn$1@plutonium.compulink.co.uk... > I will probably regret asking this (but I am a glutton for > punishment)...........As many of you know Lisa, Therese & I are off to "An > Evening with Robert Beltran" on Saturday, anyway, I have been racking my > brains to think of a good question to ask him and typically can't come up > with anything better than "Fancy a quickie".....................So, do any > of you have any suggestions? Here's my question: What did you do with the money your parents gave you for acting lessons?

2000-06-09 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Laura <laware@strato.net>)


<snip> > >> I think these two are the only ones that do not merely tolerate him > >> but actually like him. At least Neelix. Harry proved to be a real > >> friend in "Riddles" as well... > > > >Harry and Neelix definately consider him a friend, and I think Janeway does > >too. After all, she showed concern for him in "Riddles" and replicated him a > >birthday cake in "Fury". You don't do those kinds of things for someone who > >isn't your friend. Agreed.... <snip> > >technical and practical knowledge about weapons. > > he just stores them inefficiently... Only in Seven's opinion - and she's not perfect! (Sorry, Steve) <snip> > >> >He's head of Security, and thus the one person on the ship who is > >expected > >> >to be the most injured or incapacitated. > >> > >> actually the head of Security should be better able to protect himself > >> and defend himself...> > Not if he is responsible for others' safety....he might choose to let himself be injured to prevent injury to others. Like the Secret Service here in the US. > >When has he been injured due to incompetance? Most of the time he gets hurt, > >it's either not his fault (eg space sickness) or he's putting himself in > >harm's way to save others (eg "Tsunkatse" or "Year of Hell"). > > > > What about "Haunting"? Shouldn't he have realized that that thing was > about to blow? Why? <snip> > >> > and was almost the most prominent in > >> >"Fury". > >> > >> at best the #3 character... since Janeway and Kes were *far* more > >> prominent... > > > >And at #3, he had more to do than the rest of them combined. > > > > yeah, like collapsing and falling into a coma... > > >> >No, Enberg's an unknown background "actor" that nobody but his > >step-mother > >> >will hire. Russ will do just fine. Don't you trust Tim to make the most > >of > >> >his career? > >> > >> I would - if talent and professionalism meant anything. They don't. > >> Not only are they irrelevant, they are probably even a hindrance to a > >> career. The less talented and the less professional you are, the more > >> likely you are to be given a chance. And another one. And a third one, > >> if your character *still* does not work... > > > >So talent is irrelevant. I'd argue that exposure on Voyager is also > >irrelevant. Tim needs connections in the television industry. He's got them. > >All he needs is a copy of "Meld" or "Riddles" or "Innocence" and someone to > >show them to. > > but who would want to watch the work of a background cameo-guy????? But he isn't. Don't you see the credits, Julianna? He is listed as one of the stars. You cannot convince me he will be considered anything but. -- "Chocolate is a serious thing" -Deanna Troi- Laura Ware (laware@strato.net)

2000-06-09 00:00:00 - Re: Spoilers for Unimatrix Zero 2 (wasRe: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Doreen Hartz <dthartz@inwave.com>)


"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:qpqvjsgls3kv2donj7ofk8con33fom0qls@4ax.com... > On Thu, 08 Jun 2000 07:07:41 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: > > >Ronda wrote > >S > >P > >O > >I > >L > >E > >R > > > >S > >P > >A > >C > > > >A > >N > >D > >A > >B > >I > >T > >M > >O > >R > >E > > > > > >> >> > >> >> 1. We have seen more personal inteaction between Janeway and > >> >> Chakotay this season. Are TPTB perhaps setting up a change in > >> >> their relationship? > >> > > >> >Ah, have you seen the spoilers for Unimatrix Zero 2 by any > >> chance........... > >> > >> > >> I have yet to see any spoilers for Unimatrix Zero 2 as of yet. > >> If anyone knows where they may be located, please post a URL > >> here, or email me at: rfsexton@yahoo.com I would love to see > >> the spoilers. > > > >I'll try and find the URL, but it was a few days ago. Bearing in mind that > >this ep is only just being written, so apparently this info is subject to > >change. > > > >Chakotay goes into the neural link and into Unimatrix Zero where he and Capt > >Janeway have a discussion about their life together, it is possible that it > >will either end with a kiss or that at the last moment she is pulled back to > >be a drone again. > > > >The other point mentioned was that Chak may do all of this through Seven and > >not actually go into the link himself, but he is also reported to have a > >conversation with Seven about both of their love lives. > > > > Jeez, does that sound disgusting, or what??????? > > Julianna > -------- > Tuvok: > The main reason to watch Voyager! LOL Julianna, I might even enjoy Seven for 30 seconds if this were remotely true, but it isn't. Doreen

2000-06-09 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Doreen Hartz <dthartz@inwave.com>)


"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:58h2ksssi45mk9jrkvnso3dpiksfmpvoc8@4ax.com... > On 09 Jun 2000 03:54:22 GMT, evilklowwn@aol.comedy (Bozo the Evil > Klown) wrote: > > >Doreen doth write thus: > > > ><Snippage throughout> > > > >>> Lemme see: Equinox II - supporting part > >> > >>Badly written....I thought he was right (most Chak fans will, and if you > >>read the novel, it's pretty clear) > > > >I didn't read the novel, and I'm not the most fervent Chakotay fan, either <G>, > >but I still thought he was right; if Voyager was destroyed by the slimers, > >there'd be no one left to stop Ransom. > > > >Of course, it didn't hurt that Beltran actually acted in this one. <EG> > > > > ROTFLOL!! > > >but none of it was done from Chakotay's > >>past experiences...he's been Ransom and had a chance at redemption. > > > >As if the writers even still had a glimmering of who the Maquis were..... > > > > good point... > > >>May I point out that Tuvok also had a supporting part, and she doesn't > >>confine him to quarters for opposing her. > >She *needed* Tuvok at Weapons. As silly as her so-called strayegy was, having > >her most skilled Tac officer on hand was essential. > > > > and she couldn't confine *everybody* to quarters anyway... But it made Tuvok look like he really didn't care that Janeway was twisting StarFleet regs...he would rather be on duty... > > >>> Survival Instinct: scene with Janeway (trashing Tuvok) and scene with > >>> Seven > >> > >>I have to agree with you here, but Tuvok gave as good as he got in this and > >>Tuvok had his scenes as well. > > > >A true rarity; we see Starfleet Security actually hitting their targets; these > >are Tuvok's people. > > > > the whole scene would not have happened, had Janeway taken his > concerns seriously before... but his advice is just soooo pointless > :-(( No...Janeway gave his advice about as much attention as she gives Chakotay's...thus the reason for Chakotay's teasing... > > >As far as the security report scene goes, Janeway and Chakotay may have > >realized Tuvok was jokingly chiding Janeway about leaving the ship open like > >that, and this *was* an example of Tuvok's driest wit: "There is a *third* > >page." > > > > that was a desperate attempt to get her attention!!!!!!! Maybe, but by now, both of them should know better.... > > >>> Barge of the Dead - several minutes of screentime > >> > >>Yes, very good B/Chak but Tuvok also had good screentime, including the > >>batleth scene. > > > >That scene was the *only* redeemable element of the story. > > > > :-) > > >>> Alice: Chucky in charge > >> > >>That's what I liked about this episode...no argument. > > > >Beltran's performance was decent; he showed actual signs of life. Not his > >fault the writers gave him insanely stupid lines like the bilge about having a > >full complement of shuttles. > > > > at least they didn't insult him by putting in gratuitous references to > non-existing elements of his physiology... Can't argue with this...if they aren't going to do it, don't refer to it... > > >>> Dragon's Teeth: ensemble part > >> > >>BUT, Chakotay validly objects to the Captain leading the away team, and she > >>blows him off and takes TUVOK with her. Tuvok competently does everything > >>in this ep (although he should have pointed out the punishment for Idiot > >>Seven, with the cumulative knowledge of thousands of species, for opening > >>that pod on an away mission) > > > >No, that was Janeway's job: *she* found Seven reviving the A'aaaardv'arrrc, and > >*she* was commanding the Bye Bye Team. > > > > nobody said she did *not* suck :-) > > >>> One Small Step: *Big* part > >>But one where his character was fit into the part and once again re-created, > >>despite Chakotay finally being passionate about something and making a very > >>valid point to Seven. > >>No way would the spiritual Chakotay of Season 2, who values the lives of his > >>crewmen, endanger the lives of Tantrum-throwing Seven > > > >To be fair, *someone* needed to show some signs of survival instinct, and that > >is in character for Seven. Between the fact that Chuckles disobeyed a direct > >order from Janeway *and* Starfleet recognizes attempted suicide as a valid > >reason to relieve someone of command (TOS "Doomsday Machine"), Chuckles got off > >lucky. > > > > as always... Not in my opinion (what a shock, huh?) > > >>or Paris, to satisfy > >>his own curiosity. > >>Here's Chakotay's lame-ass injury (like Tuvok's in Tsunkatse) so > >>Wonder-Woman Seven can yet again save the day...UGH...Season 2 Chakotay > >>would have belted her for her attitude to him in the Delta Flyer and told > >>Janeway to stuff it. > > > >I don't remember any such militant suicidal tendencies on anyone's part in > >earlier seasons, aside from Cap'n ate treating her whole crew like disposable > >redshirts. <G> > > > > ROTFLOL! > > >>> Pathfinder: as little as everybody els > >>And yes, a totally boring ep > > > >I liked the view of the Voyager crew through Barcley's eyes. Seeing a holodeck > >*not* malfunctioning was a major surprise, too! > > > > it was different - and had we not had nothing but eps about guest > stars I might even have liked it for that reason... > > >>> Fair Have: *good* scene with Janeway > >> > >>Agreed...only redeeming thing to this piece of crap. > > > >*Nothing* could redeem that suckfest. > > > > two words: space sickness! :-((((((((( Agreed...suckfest... > > >>> Memorial: major part > >> > >>But once again, the character used to give the other side of the story (this > >>anguish should not be forced on people) rather than make it consistant with > >>characteristics about Chakotay already known (Nemesis, and Unity, where he > >>was forced to relive other people's experiences). > > > >*If* Vger had ever shown any sort of continuity, then those eps may have > >influenced Chakotay's opinion about the *morality* of the Memorial. > > > > *if* he had an opinion in the first place... but with his indecision > aobut whether to identify with the Maquis or with Starfleet in early > seasons, I'm not so sure... Since you and I have such differing opinions on Resolutions, I know you disagree, but he made it clear that his allegiance was to StarFleet until they abandonned his home and family to the Cardassians. He was always the person who had to loudly and completely uphold Janeway (The Learning Curve, State of Flux) so the crews would integrate, and he will be the person most called on the carpet if and when they return to the AQ, IMO a reason why Chakotay is such a "yes man" now. > > >>> Tsunkatse: Captain Chucky > >> > >>Yes, who needed the Delta Flyer to land the final blow for him (weakest part > >>of this ep IMO) > > > >They've established in several eps that the battle cruiser Delta Crasher was > >much tougher and heavier armed than Voyager. > > > > that#s true... > > >>> Spirit Folk: not all that much > >> > >>Thank goodness...his look at Janeway like she's out of her mind when Michael > >>is on the bridge, is the saving grace to this ep. Chakotay also got to give > >>the idiot science line in B'Elanna's objection scene. > > > >Whether you love or loathe Chakotay, we can all agree that this ep blew goats. > > > > :-) > > >>> Child's Play: not all that much > >> > >>Thank goodness...this was just a hideous episode, contrary to everything > >>that his good about Trek, IMO. At least Tuvok was on the away team. > > > >This one was okay- it could have been *great,* if not for the knee-jerk pc > >balderdash at the end. > > > > :-( > > >>> Good Shepherd: important scene with Janeway > >> > >>Agreed. > > > >As if anything in that ep could be "important." > > > > Ta' would probably disagree here... > > >>> Fury: Chucky in action > >> > >>Agreed...good scenes and Chakotay was a good commander, > > > >And even a good actor, during the Vidiian attack. > > > > well... <G> We Chak fans always love to see the Maquis Captain...would have been better if we had gotten the grey hair too! > > >>BUT Tuvok was once > >>again in the loop and Chakotay out of it. He had no clue what would happen > >>when Kes appeared and Tuvok did. Great interaction between Janeway and > >>Tuvok. > > > >In the military, there's a thing called "need to know," when deciding how far > >to disseminate confidential information. > > > > exactly.. > > >>> Unimatrix Zero: ensemble player > >> > >>Yes, but he's damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't....he agrees with > >>Janeway and he looks like a weakling. If he were the objector, he'd be used > >>again to point out the line of action janeway rejected. > > > >Part and parcel of the "Janeway can do no wrong" attitude of TPTB. > > > >>Chakotay, arguably, is the expert on dreams, and no consultation. > > > >TPTB are uncertain about whether or not U-Zero is involved with dreaming. > > > >>He has > >>been linked to the collective, yet no inclusion. Only Seven is considered > >>important of the crew remaining on Voyager. > > > >Seven has the "mutation" that's the key to U-Zero. If Chakotay had it, there > >was never any trace. > > > >>Tuvok on the other hand, is the > >>facilitator for this whole thing to happen. > > > >Tuvok's teep abilities have been established. Chakotay's has not. <G> > > > yep - though he has to step back and make room for Chucky often > enough, so I'm really surprised they used him here... I'm not...that was a creative part to this ep (unlike Seven's "love" story) > > >>"The sacrifice of Voyager and her crew would be a small price to pay" > >>(Chakotay's line in the conference room)...who the heck is this??? The man > >>who argues all the time for the priority of the safety and well-being of the > >>crew? > > > >The man who wanted to throw away three lives to retrieve a piece of debris, and > >who simply couldn't grok why his crew wasn't as ready and eager to die as he > >was. > > > > who, OTOH, never cared what kind of consequences his personal private > missions (like e.g. Initiations, Tattoo, Maneuvers) might have for his > colleagues and the ship... Initiations and Tattoo were both freedom of religion isssues and cleared with his captain ahead of time. As for Maneuvers, I agree with you (and he took his licks for it, just as Tuvok did when he stole the folding space technology) > > >>Tuvok on the other hand, competently pointed out that Janeway should take a > >>security officer, and she does. He efficiently does his job throughout the > >>episode, without changing any known parameters about his character to fit > >>the episode. > > > >He *should* have pointed out that if Pinky had proposed such a ridiculous > >stunt, The Brain would have hurt him very very much. > > LOL! > > Julianna > -------- > Tuvok: > The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-09 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Doreen Hartz <dthartz@inwave.com>)


"Bozo the Evil Klown" <evilklowwn@aol.comedy> wrote in message news:20000608235422.01139.00000219@ng-fd1.aol.com... > Doreen doth write thus: > > <Snippage throughout> > > >> Lemme see: Equinox II - supporting part > > > >Badly written....I thought he was right (most Chak fans will, and if you > >read the novel, it's pretty clear) > > I didn't read the novel, and I'm not the most fervent Chakotay fan, either <G>, Hi Bozo, and that's ok...Lisa and Allie get it right <g> > but I still thought he was right; if Voyager was destroyed by the slimers, > there'd be no one left to stop Ransom. > > Of course, it didn't hurt that Beltran actually acted in this one. <EG> I think he usually does, but it has to nice to actually *have* something to do that has a point... > > but none of it was done from Chakotay's > >past experiences...he's been Ransom and had a chance at redemption. > > As if the writers even still had a glimmering of who the Maquis were..... I thought that was the point of Resolutions, and a part of Hunters, and Extreme Risk, so you would think that they had a clue... > > >May I point out that Tuvok also had a supporting part, and she doesn't > >confine him to quarters for opposing her. > She *needed* Tuvok at Weapons. As silly as her so-called strayegy was, having > her most skilled Tac officer on hand was essential. Yes, but it made Tuvok look like he had no guts and Janeway like Captain Bligh. > > >> Survival Instinct: scene with Janeway (trashing Tuvok) and scene with > >> Seven > > > >I have to agree with you here, but Tuvok gave as good as he got in this and > >Tuvok had his scenes as well. > > A true rarity; we see Starfleet Security actually hitting their targets; these > are Tuvok's people. No disagreement here...I love it when we get to see the people doing their jobs who should be doing them. > > As far as the security report scene goes, Janeway and Chakotay may have > realized Tuvok was jokingly chiding Janeway about leaving the ship open like > that, and this *was* an example of Tuvok's driest wit: "There is a *third* > page." LOL, so do I, which is why I liked the humor between the three of them. > > >> Barge of the Dead - several minutes of screentime > > > >Yes, very good B/Chak but Tuvok also had good screentime, including the > >batleth scene. > > That scene was the *only* redeemable element of the story. Sorry, I liked it alot, but B'Elanna is by far my fav female on the series and I like stories about people challenging their beliefs. > > >> Alice: Chucky in charge > > > >That's what I liked about this episode...no argument. > > Beltran's performance was decent; he showed actual signs of life. Not his > fault the writers gave him insanely stupid lines like the bilge about having a > full complement of shuttles. LOL...that was ridiculous... Good thing RB isn't die-hard Trek for that line! > > >> Dragon's Teeth: ensemble part > > > >BUT, Chakotay validly objects to the Captain leading the away team, and she > >blows him off and takes TUVOK with her. Tuvok competently does everything > >in this ep (although he should have pointed out the punishment for Idiot > >Seven, with the cumulative knowledge of thousands of species, for opening > >that pod on an away mission) > > No, that was Janeway's job: *she* found Seven reviving the A'aaaardv'arrrc, and > *she* was commanding the Bye Bye Team. Agreed, but we are slapped in the face all the time with how *brilliant* Seven is, and how she can do all of the crew's jobs with one hand tied behind her back, and she has the knowledge of hundreds of assimilated StarFleet personnel and she doesn't remember that she would need to be ordered to open that pod on the away team?? I could buy that her superiority complex would think she knew better than Janeway, but that's not the angle they went for. > > >> One Small Step: *Big* part > >But one where his character was fit into the part and once again re-created, > >despite Chakotay finally being passionate about something and making a very > >valid point to Seven. > >No way would the spiritual Chakotay of Season 2, who values the lives of his > >crewmen, endanger the lives of Tantrum-throwing Seven > > To be fair, *someone* needed to show some signs of survival instinct, and that > is in character for Seven. Between the fact that Chuckles disobeyed a direct > order from Janeway *and* Starfleet recognizes attempted suicide as a valid > reason to relieve someone of command (TOS "Doomsday Machine"), Chuckles got off > lucky. I don't disagree with you either...what I disliked was the characterization of Chakotay. His actions in this ep didn't fit with any of them previously established for his character, so they were just plugging him in to fit the story. > > >or Paris, to satisfy > >his own curiosity. > >Here's Chakotay's lame-ass injury (like Tuvok's in Tsunkatse) so > >Wonder-Woman Seven can yet again save the day...UGH...Season 2 Chakotay > >would have belted her for her attitude to him in the Delta Flyer and told > >Janeway to stuff it. > > I don't remember any such militant suicidal tendencies on anyone's part in > earlier seasons, aside from Cap'n ate treating her whole crew like disposable > redshirts. <G> LOL....<G> Chakotay decking his crewman in The Learning Curve, and the Maquis Captain who arrived on Voyager wouldn't have given a *hit about Seven's *superior* anything, just like he didn't with either Janeway or Paris. He could have solved the problem by hitting the airlock and sending her into the Nebula..."oops!" (would have worked for me...) > > >> Pathfinder: as little as everybody els > >And yes, a totally boring ep > > I liked the view of the Voyager crew through Barcley's eyes. Seeing a holodeck > *not* malfunctioning was a major surprise, too! Barclay's view of the Maquis crew was the best part of this ep. > > >> Fair Have: *good* scene with Janeway > > > >Agreed...only redeeming thing to this piece of crap. > > *Nothing* could redeem that suckfest. LOL...RB's dimples and that teasing little voice Chakotay used just does it for me, but agreed that the entire rest of the episode was a suck fest of the worst kind. > > >> Memorial: major part > > > >But once again, the character used to give the other side of the story (this > >anguish should not be forced on people) rather than make it consistant with > >characteristics about Chakotay already known (Nemesis, and Unity, where he > >was forced to relive other people's experiences). > > *If* Vger had ever shown any sort of continuity, then those eps may have > influenced Chakotay's opinion about the *morality* of the Memorial. Yes, too bad we fans have long memories about those kinds of things... > > >> Tsunkatse: Captain Chucky > > > >Yes, who needed the Delta Flyer to land the final blow for him (weakest part > >of this ep IMO) > > They've established in several eps that the battle cruiser Delta Crasher was > much tougher and heavier armed than Voyager. I'll take your word for it, since I don't pay much attention to those kinds of things:-) > > >> Spirit Folk: not all that much > > > >Thank goodness...his look at Janeway like she's out of her mind when Michael > >is on the bridge, is the saving grace to this ep. Chakotay also got to give > >the idiot science line in B'Elanna's objection scene. > > Whether you love or loathe Chakotay, we can all agree that this ep blew goats. ROTFL....great visual image, and a perfect description!! > > >> Child's Play: not all that much > > > >Thank goodness...this was just a hideous episode, contrary to everything > >that his good about Trek, IMO. At least Tuvok was on the away team. > > This one was okay- it could have been *great,* if not for the knee-jerk pc > balderdash at the end. It had it's moments, but as a parent, I dispised this episode. Nothing like Voyager's warped attitude toward marriage and family to warm up to here... > > >> Good Shepherd: important scene with Janeway > > > >Agreed. > > As if anything in that ep could be "important." LOL, but I actually liked Janeway in this episode and understood her, which hasn't happened much since Year of Hell. > > >> Fury: Chucky in action > > > >Agreed...good scenes and Chakotay was a good commander, > > And even a good actor, during the Vidiian attack. <G> > > >BUT Tuvok was once > >again in the loop and Chakotay out of it. He had no clue what would happen > >when Kes appeared and Tuvok did. Great interaction between Janeway and > >Tuvok. > > In the military, there's a thing called "need to know," when deciding how far > to disseminate confidential information. Agreed, but over the course of 3 years and countless dinners, you think she might have mentioned it, just in case one of those away missions she and Tuvok take resulted in both of them being toasted.... > > >> Unimatrix Zero: ensemble player > > > >Yes, but he's damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't....he agrees with > >Janeway and he looks like a weakling. If he were the objector, he'd be used > >again to point out the line of action janeway rejected. > > Part and parcel of the "Janeway can do no wrong" attitude of TPTB. Yes, very stereotyped viewpoint of women in authority. > > >Chakotay, arguably, is the expert on dreams, and no consultation. > > TPTB are uncertain about whether or not U-Zero is involved with dreaming. LOL, yes the REM movement in Seven's eyes that wasn't REM sleep... > > >He has > >been linked to the collective, yet no inclusion. Only Seven is considered > >important of the crew remaining on Voyager. > > Seven has the "mutation" that's the key to U-Zero. If Chakotay had it, there > was never any trace. Agreed, but he is the only other adult who has been linked to a collective and who actively uses a dream state. > > >Tuvok on the other hand, is the > >facilitator for this whole thing to happen. > > Tuvok's teep abilities have been established. Chakotay's has not. <G> No argument there, or about how they used Tuvok (I enjoyed that)...my point to Julianna was that they DID effectively use Tuvok in a way that made him look competent. > > >"The sacrifice of Voyager and her crew would be a small price to pay" > >(Chakotay's line in the conference room)...who the heck is this??? The man > >who argues all the time for the priority of the safety and well-being of the > >crew? > > The man who wanted to throw away three lives to retrieve a piece of debris, and > who simply couldn't grok why his crew wasn't as ready and eager to die as he > was. > Exactly, hence my problem with it. The man who questioned Janeway in Resolutions and Night, blew the Borg into space in Scorpion, and provided and alternative plan in Equinox 2, didn't seem have that careless view of his crew. > >Tuvok on the other hand, competently pointed out that Janeway should take a > >security officer, and she does. He efficiently does his job throughout the > >episode, without changing any known parameters about his character to fit > >the episode. > > He *should* have pointed out that if Pinky had proposed such a ridiculous > stunt, The Brain would have hurt him very very much. *That* I would love to see!! Doreen

2000-06-09 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Doreen Hartz <dthartz@inwave.com>)


"Suzy" <suzy_j@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:xI005.1902$ov1.121976@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > > Julianna Feigl wrote in message > <7l00ks0qme6gq34r4s90f5vnh4ekoq36q7@4ax.com>... > >On Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:34:28 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" <dthartz@inwave.com> > >wrote: > > > >> > >>"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message > >>news:q4btjs40tkjmmccstpihkkg4v3ib8a90jf@4ax.com... > >>> On Wed, 07 Jun 2000 19:32:07 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> >Julianna wrote > >>> > > >>> > > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> I almost gotta wonder why people don't admire him more for having > >>the > >>> >guts > >>> >> >to > >>> >> >> say what everybody here thinks... > > Thats what I enjoy about RB he is vocal about the problems with Voyager. > Gotta love someone who wants his character to tell Janeway to "park your ass > in the chair and get this ship home!" :))) LOL...not my attitude at all, but he's entitled! And Janeway would certainly be enough to drive someone to it... > > >>> >> > > >>> >> ><sigh> > >>> >> > > >>> >> >Because everybody pegged him as a mediocre actor years ago > >>> >> > >>> >> and why do you think that is the case?? Maybe because he failed to > >>> >> impress us right from the beginning????? > > I liked RB right from the start, but thought the character of Chakotay was > just underused in the first few seasons. Chakotay and B'Elanna in Parallax were what convinced me that I was going to like this show. > > >>> > > >>> >Maybe he didnt, but for others he did. Its just horses for course > >>Julianna > >>> >I'm afraid. > >>> > > >>> > >>> maybe - but don't tell us that we didn't give him a chance. We > >> > >>You and who else Julianna? > >> > > > >all those here that make wooden jokes. I'm not the only one... Julianna, I have to answer you here because your original answer to my post didn't appear on my server :-((( I guess I didn't understand that you were including them > > > >>did not > >>> hate him from the beginning. It's just that he impressed most of us > >>> *far* less than most others do. He *is* only mediocre compaired to > >>> them. At best. > >> > >>Kind of like me and Jeri Ryan...when I get past her boobs, there's nothing > >>there...mediocre at best.... > > Jeri Ryan has boobs???? ;) > I just thought she had saddlebags (meow) A meow right back at you gf ;) > > >>But that would be my opinion, and I did try to give her a chance at first, > >>but seeing one lame scene after another means she has more boring Voyager > >>eps on my list than any other character, and she has certainly had a > greater > >>chance to impress me than all the other characters combined because she's > >>had more eps in 3 years than they have had in 6. > > I'm with you on this one gf! JR is boring and the *pink dress* is getting > old! zzzzzzz....what do you call Mary Sue writing when a man does it??? > > >>> > > > >well, Chucky had more than most others as well. Especially in season > >2... > > > >>> >> > >>> >> >and never bothers > >>> >> >to really look and change their opinion of him. > >>> >> > >>> >> oh, rest assured, we *do* look. We *have* to. He is forced down our > >>> >> throats often enough. The more I see him the less I am impressed... > >>> >> The only thing he *can* do is aggression > >> > >>Once again, your opinion. > >>Lisa and I (and probably Therese) have seen quite a few of his films other > >>than "Night of the Comet" (he's made 3 while on Voyager) and we would > >>disagree. > > I have seen quite a few of his movies and have enjoyed most of them. I want > to see his lastest film Luminaris, but its not playing in the Seattle area > :((( Or in Chicago this year... > >> > > > >nothing he has done on Voyager would make me want to watch him if I > >can avoid it. I'm not a masochist, after all > > >>> > > >>> >Really? I dont agree at all, some of his scenes with Janeway are very > >>> >tender and very caring. > >>> > >>> there is absolutely no warmth in that man and he has the *coldest* > >>> eyes I've ever seen in my entire life. > > Wow I think he has the most beautiful eyes I have ever seen! Agreed. (Ok RDM also > has the bluest baby blue's). Yes, you did seem a little partial to those... >They are such a dark brown and full of warmth. Yes, and as a brown-eyed person whose aren't, I'm certainly qualified to judge! > Of course those dimples are worth the smile! > > >> > >>Your opinion again, and someone else told me the exact same thing about > Tim > >>Russ, in fact, called it a "wolfish look", and called him rude. > > > >LOL! What kind of deranged person was that??????? LOL, it wasn't my experience, but it was that of a couple of different people I was chatting with online. To each his own... Tim has about the > >*most* expressive eyes I've seen! And he couldn't be rude if he wanted > >to! He actually was not even really rude enough when playing the > >Klingon on the DS9 ep... Haven't seen it, but once again, everyone has bad days here and there. > > > >>His brown eyes were warm and laughing when I saw RB. > >> > > > >his eyes never laugh. Ask Jup, she has the same impression. It's not > >just me! > > Well his eyes laughed at the Ball and at the Portland con so have to > disagree with you on this one! > > >>> > >>> > As for being forced down our throats you are > >>> >obviously watching a different show to me. > >>> > > >>> > >>> didn't you see the list of heavy parts I posted somewhere else? > >> > >>LOL...I answered them, and Tim had as much as RB this season. > >> > > > >nowhere close... <G> too bad those line counts won't appear tomorrow! > > > > > ><snip> > >>> Tim also may start off with a song - which is only natural, since he's > >>> advertising his CD and possibly a concert performance the same > >>> evening. It's not always the same song, though. He has 2 or 3 stories > >>> or gags that he *can* tell when it seems like there is no question > >>> forthcoming for the moment, but he does not tell them *all* the time. > >>> In other words, he *can* bridge an awkward silence, because he has a > >>> stock repertoire of things he can use to keep the audience > >>> entertained. That does not make him "not honest", "appealing to the > >>> audience" and all the other things you are accusing "the others" (as > >>> in: not Beltran) of. > >> > >>Lisa didn't accuse anyone with that statement. She was pointing out that > RB > >>doesn't like to do a prepared set of things for each con. Perhaps the > >>spontanaeity is the appeal for him. > >>Some people prefer one or the other. Obviously you prefer the prepared > >>route. > >> > > > >I prefer what works. If spontaneity leads to awkward scenes like > >people not knowing to avoid certain topics then I don't appreciate it. > >If actors instead of answering the obvious stuff beforehand wait for > >nervous fans to spend 5 minutes on the microphone before they manage > >to spell out that they want to know how long the makeup takes, then > >that is awkward and not refreshing at all as well. > > > >>> > >>> > I believe Shammie said this was why she preferred > >>> >Garrett to Tim at the con she went to because Garrett was less prepared > >>and > >>> >gave more of himself than Tim did. > >>> > >>> > >>> Garrett may be a bit more spontaneous, but he isn't "sucking up to the > >>> audience" either, and he, too, keeps telling the same stories (like > >>> the elbow-thing). I wouldn't say that he gives more of himself than > >>> Tim does. Maybe in different areas and in a different way. Neither of > >>> them would *ever* consider not answering a reasonable question - or at > >>> least trying to answer it. > >> > >>When I saw RB, he answered every question, and kindly. > > > >he did nothing of that sort when *I* met him... in fact he talked a > >lot but didn't really *say* anything... That was Jason Carter at the Q and A I was at...but he was very entertaining! > > > >>Suzy would tell you the same thing about Portland, only she would probably > >>tell you that he answered every question humorously. > > Yes I would tell you he was a hoot at the Portland con this year! He was > relaxed, answered all the questions was not rude. Gave each individual what > ever time needed to ask a question and then repeated the question back to > the individual. > >> > > > >nope. And his smile was not genuine. He had to look down every now and > >then to relax his face muscles, then he composed his face into a smile > >again and looked up... > > I have to disagree with you on this. Yes he looked down every now and then > *so what*? I tend to look up and to the right when thinking of a answer to > a question. Its a habit and does not mean you are rude, not genuine just > means you like to think before you open your mouth to speak! LOL, my students can imitate me doing mine (it's such a lovely feeling...) > > > > >>> >> > The fact > >>> >> >that he doesnt worship at the altar of Star Trek upsets a lot of > >>people, > >>> >but > >>> >> >I would say he is probably more grounded than alot of the fans. > > I agree with this! > > >>> >> > >>> >> he doesn't have to worship at the altar of Star Trek, but he > shouldn't > >>> >> make it sound like everybody who watches Star Trek (for whichever > >>> >> reason, among others, to see his work) is a nerd > > Ok maybe its hard for him to take the person dressed up like a Star Trek > character seriously? I know the Portland con was my very first Trek con and > the Klingons threw me for a loop. :))) They were very nice and posed for a > pic but, still I was thinking "ok lot of these folks looked liked they > tripped in the 60's and were still tripping" LOL LOL, and do we have proof that they weren't?? > And this from a person who wanted to marry Cpt Kirk! (hey I was only 9). LOL...me too, and I was only 10... Hey, maybe that's the audience they are aiming for with Seven (meow) > > >>> > > >>> >Does he? The tape I've seen shows nothing like this at all. > >>> > > >>> > >>> well, when I saw him that was exactly how he behaved... > >> > >>Well he's stated his feelings about the fans openly and often, and they > are > >>positive. > > He does go out of his way to be nice to the fans. At the Portland con > signed a guys 2 pics even though it was a "one pic only" type of thing. > > > > >then why does he treat them so poorly???? And not just the fans, I > >might add. > > When did he treat his fans so poorly? > > >>> >> > >>> >> > Sure he has > >>> >> >his bad points, but he also has some good ones and I would far > rather > >>go > >>> >and > >>> >> >see someone who tells it like it is rather than what they think the > >>fans > >>> >> >would want to hear. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > >>> >> What makes you think others tell what the fans would want to hear but > >>> >> is not their own opinion????? Which others do that???? > >> > >>I think she's referring to just how politically correct some of the actors > >>are. I could tell you which ones I perceived as being completely full of > it > >>when I saw them... > >>(no, Tim was not one of them, nor was RB) > >> > > > >*some* maybe, but she made it sound as if she were talking about > >*everybody but* Beltran. After all, she used this attitude of his as > >an explanation why *he* is hated, while others are not... Didn't see this, sorry :-( But I do think he is the most open about his attitude toward many things, opening himself up for a lot of the criticism that the rest of them just don't admit to, and thus avoid. > > > > > >>> >> >I mean he could stand there and say he has been desperate for J/C to > >>kiss > >>> >> >for years and begged the producers to do it and the fans would love > >>that > >>> >> > >>> >> *some* fans might, but some others wouldn't, since not everybody is a > >>> >> J/C-fan > > I'm a Chakotay fan but not a J/Cer!! I think Resolutions was terrible ep! > I can't stand the stupid monkey ( sorry gf) LOL Suzy...I know you dislike Janeway, but remember Suzy Q called her a *dog* <VBEG> > > >>> > > >>> >Considering that most of his fans, myself *not* included, tend to be > >>J/Cers. > >>> > > >>> > >>> *some* - not all > > As I said before Not me :))) Me:-) (when Janeway is a rational, compassionate human being) > > >> > >>But alot, and my perception of J/C is different from RB's, and that's my > >>right too...doesn't make his viewpoint belittle mine. He saw J/C as > >>one-sided from only Chak, and I did not. > > I agreed with RB on this one it was all one-sided IMHO. And this season > Janeway has been a cold fish ;) Agreed, definitely not Janeway's (or Mulgrew's) best... > > > > >whatever he thinks, he should *say* it and not joke around and pretend > >he hasn't heard the question... > > > > > >>> > > >>> >As I said people have off days and if he says at the start of a talk, > >>which > >>> >I've read that he has done sometimes, that J/C is not an issue > >>> > >>> he did nothing of the sort. He asked for coffee and refused to start > >>> before somebody had brought him coffee - and he came on late already > >>> anyway. Apparently it's impossible to set an alarm and start your job > >>> on time... *I* should do that - my boss would get furious! > > Thats not fair we don't know the circumstances about getting to the con. It > may have been his fault or someone running the con that he started late. > The con in Portland ran late so RB was on late. Do I blame him? No the > live auction part took forever, I fault the people in charge of the con they > should have allowed more time or had less items to auction off. > > >> > >>You have no idea what went on to make people late. According to the people > >>who know him...they run his website and set up a good deal of the Galaxy > >>Ball stuff with him... being late is not one of RB's faults. Things > happen > >>at cons that push schedules around. > > > >well... his was the *first* talk of the day (i.e. no previous even > >running overtime), he was staying at the hotel, so no traffic > >problems, the premises had been open long enough for the audience to > >get access, *everything* was set and waiting for *him* - but he just > >didn't bother to appear in time... > > > >> I've heard some really interesting Jeri Ryan stories and noone's bashing > >>her here for being demanding. > > I have heard the same story about JR LOL > > > > >I have never seen her, so I can't say anything good or bad about her. LOL, I guess I'll reserve my actual opinion until I do. > >What I have heard from others would be *their* impression. Beltran I > >*have* seen and my impression was extremely negative... > > I have seen him twice and plan on seeing him again in OCT at the Galaxy > Ball. It should be a lot of fun just like it was last year. Can't wait...got the champagne ready to go now... > > >>> > >>> perhaps not everybody is the most avid Beltran fan and reads > >>> everything available on him in every mag and on the net. If he goes to > >>> a convention he must expect to meet people that are here just out of > >>> curiosity, to see what he is like, and that have *not* studied up on > >>> him. He owes them the explanation that some topics are off limits. But > >>> since it's a bad thing to prepare a little speech for the start of a > >>> guest talk he can't do than and people who have no way of knowing that > >>> this is a sensitive topic will be targeted by his wrath... > >> > >>Sorry, never saw any, and people asked him about just about everything. > >>I'm sorry that your experience was negative, but mine was completely > >>positive and surprising, because people bash RB for things that he just > >>isn't. He doesn't take the time to correct it so maybe that's how these > >>impressions get started. > > > >I don't know, but he was exactly as I described him when *I* saw him. > >Maybe there's two of him? An evil twin and a nice twin??? LOL...I'd LOVE to see RB do an evil Chakotay...he's great at it... (Suzy's fav RB...El Diablo...) > > > >>I saw a somewhat shy, > > > >shy????????? Beltran??????????????? Definitely...I was very surprised...nothing I had read about him indicated that. > > Yes he was shy at the Ball Q and A, but once he was on a roll he was > charming :) Agreed see below (jinx) > > > >> charming man who loves his job, his co-workers, his > >>character and particularly, being an actor. > > > >you forgot: "himself" > > You have to love yourself if you are an actor LOL LOL, how true! > > > > >> He was sensitive to his fans > >>and enjoyed interacting with us, in fact seemed to be relaxed and > energised > >>by it. > >>I hope Lisa, Allie, and Therese have the same kind of experience. > > I know they will have a lot of fun! I know Doreen and I will be clinking > our wine glasses to Lisa, Allie and Therese on Saturday night!!! We certainly will!! <clink, in advance> > >> > > > >I don't have much hope for them, though.. > > > >Julianna That's ok Julianna, you know me and my hope :-)) I've got enough of it for them! > > > Suzy (clink gf) > > Doreen (clink gf)

2000-06-09 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Doreen Hartz <dthartz@inwave.com>)


"Allie Andrews" <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:8hqb4p$rqo$4@plutonium.compulink.co.uk... > > Citizen G'Kar <Narns@allEXCEPTSPAMisurvey.freeserve.co.uk> wrote > > > Spent it all on Grecian 2000 over the last couple of seasons... > > Whch is a shame becasue most men look seier when they are greying > > Allie > x > > LOL, have to agree here, and people who saw him this spring at the Luminarias premiere say the grey was there... However, now that I have *much* more grey, I can't say that "sexy" is the first thing I think of when I see it, so I can't blame RB! Doreen

2000-06-09 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Doreen Hartz <dthartz@inwave.com>)


"Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote in message news:0k205.1248$r95.146374@news3.cableinet.net... > Julianna wrote > > Jules, I'm gonna try and reply to all of this in one post as I dont have > much time at the moment to reply to everything individually. > > FWIW, you and I are always going to have different opinions on RB/Chucky and > we have to respect that. I dont disagree with what you saw at the > convention because obviously I wasnt there, but neither can I ignore what > Doreen, Suzy, Therese, Juli and others have said as they have all met him > too and their opinions are the complete antithesis of yours. I'm not sure > why you have such a hate at the man, I dont understand what he has ever done > to you to deserve such venom, but you are entitled to think the way that you > do. You think a lot of Tim and that is great, but there are people who dont > feel the way that you do and as Doreen I think pointed out she has heard > some negative things about him, I also have spoken to a couple of people who > were less than impressed with him, which is something I have never mentioned > before and something I dont intend to drag into this ng out of respect for > your feelings, perhaps you could extend this courtesy to others as well? > > > As far as season 6 goes, he may have had marginally more time than Tuvok, > but I dont really see what you are trying to prove by saying that, it still > doesnt detract from the fact that his character has been constantly > undermined, that his screentime is diminishing rapidly and that he didnt > have a single ep of his own last season. :-((( > > Whatever you say I am still looking forward to meeting him tomorrow. I am, > believe it or not, an adult mature woman and all kidding aside I am not an > infatuated teenager with a crush on someone. I like him, I think he is > devastatingly attractive, but I also like the character just as much. I > would be as excited as I am now if it were Kate I were going to see tomorrow > or Garrett or RDM as I like all these people and think that they would be > fun to see and as Allie and I have pointed out seeing RB is a bonus, the > best part is that we are going to meet up and have a fun time together. > > Lisa > > It definitely is the best part, just as others have mentioned in another threat about meeting people in the NG as being the best part about Voyager. Yes, you get to see an actor answer questions for a couple hours, and see someone from your TV screen in person, but even better, you get to have a ball with friends that have a common interest without even having met face to face before! I had so much fun meeting my Cyberfriends at the Galaxy Ball and plan to meet even more of them in October. For facilitating that alone, I'm indebted to RB... Doreen

2000-06-09 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Doreen Hartz <dthartz@inwave.com>)


"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:p5g2ks0tk64m2aaqkekdpios4k466pueuh@4ax.com... > On Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:15:20 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" <dthartz@inwave.com> > wrote: > > > > >"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message > >news:ed00ksce91n5kpp6th8nk85cov5kil26jb@4ax.com... > >> On Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:13:05 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" <dthartz@inwave.com> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > >> well - I suspect you were adoring him. As I've pointed out, female > >> adulation was about the only thing he *did* deal with well... > > > >I would hardly think chatting about his brother's concert the night before > >was adulation, and that is what I talked to the man about. He also went out > >of his way to ask me if I were having a good time, and to thank me for > >coming...hardly in any way related to adulation. > > > > but a pretty lady *did* bother to talk to him :-) You are SO sweet Julianna:-))) But, IMO, RB has been living and working in Hollywood for 20 years with young, siliconed, collagened, perfect women. One greying, 40 year old brunette, (who would stand with her back to the wall if she ever met Steve so she wouldn't wind up in his "heifer" category), doesn't fall into the pretty lady standard. I was just another fan, and he was equally charming to all of us. > > >> > >> >RB is not politically correct about Trek, so I would guess that those > >> >answers were not the easiest for him. > >> >It will be interesting to see what Lisa, Allie and Therese see. > >> > > >> > >> indeed - though I have a pretty good idea what it will be... > > > >So do I, and I think they will be charmed and happy. > > > > and if I were there I would be cringing all the time... Probably! But they'd compensate for ya! ( I certainly would!) Doreen

2000-06-09 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:15:20 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" <dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: > >"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message >news:ed00ksce91n5kpp6th8nk85cov5kil26jb@4ax.com... >> On Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:13:05 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" <dthartz@inwave.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> well - I suspect you were adoring him. As I've pointed out, female >> adulation was about the only thing he *did* deal with well... > >I would hardly think chatting about his brother's concert the night before >was adulation, and that is what I talked to the man about. He also went out >of his way to ask me if I were having a good time, and to thank me for >coming...hardly in any way related to adulation. > but a pretty lady *did* bother to talk to him :-) >> >> >RB is not politically correct about Trek, so I would guess that those >> >answers were not the easiest for him. >> >It will be interesting to see what Lisa, Allie and Therese see. >> > >> >> indeed - though I have a pretty good idea what it will be... > >So do I, and I think they will be charmed and happy. > and if I were there I would be cringing all the time... Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-09 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On 09 Jun 2000 02:55:00 GMT, juli17@aol.com (Juli17) wrote: >>>His brown eyes were warm and laughing when I saw RB. >>> >> >>his eyes never laugh. Ask Jup, she has the same impression. It's not >>just me! > >Sorry, I must vehemently disagree here. All discussion on whether his very dry >wit is charming or rude from different perspectives, I've seen Beltran twice, >up close. When this guy smiles those dimples of his appear, and his eyes are >most definitely laughing. Most definitely. > sorry, not when I saw him. As I said, there must be two of them... Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-09 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Thu, 8 Jun 2000 23:50:57 -0700, "Chris W." <el_capitano@geocities.com> wrote: >Julianna wrote: > >> > how much the crew really appreciates him, >> >> they still do? > >At the very least, Harry, B'Elanna, Neelix, Seven, Kes, and Janeway still >appreciate him. I'd like to think Paris does as well, though he has an odd >way of showing it. But Paris has major emotional problems, so that's to be >expected. > if only they showed on occasion that they appreciate him... >> >He is Janeway's chief tactical advisor. He is the one she trusts more >than >> >Chakotay. >> >> that was *years* ago! >> >> >He knows Starfleet regulations inside and out; >> >> I bet Janeway knows them as well. And ambitious young Harry too... > >Have you read "Mosaic"? Jeri Taylor makes it clear that Tuvok knows the >regulations better than Janeway. That's part of the reason Janeway admires >him: she knows she can trust him do do his job flawlessly because he knows >precisely how to do it. > but that book was written before she dumped him... >> >futhermore, he >> >knows when to apply them and when not to. He is a mentor to Harry, >Neelix, >> >> I think these two are the only ones that do not merely tolerate him >> but actually like him. At least Neelix. Harry proved to be a real >> friend in "Riddles" as well... > >Harry and Neelix definately consider him a friend, and I think Janeway does >too. After all, she showed concern for him in "Riddles" and replicated him a >birthday cake in "Fury". You don't do those kinds of things for someone who >isn't your friend. > maybe she felt guilty for having neglected him so long... >> >and, to a lesser degree, Torres. His knowledge of strategy and weapons is >> >unsurpassed by anyone on Voyager. >> >> *cough* Seven *cough*.... > >Seven's got an awful lot of knowledge about how weapons work, but not a lot >of knowledge about how to use them. The Borg just blast their way around >Starfleet technology without bothering to understand how to best use it. It >is, after all, inferior to the weapons found on Borg Cubes. Tuvok has both >technical and practical knowledge about weapons. he just stores them inefficiently... > Plus he has imagination to >draw on to help him plan strategies. For the Borg (and thus for Seven), >strategy is irrelevant. Seven is a technical consultant; Tuvok is a weapons >expert. > >> >His mastery of logic is likewise unparalleled. >> >> though that's not really appreciated most of the time... > >Unfortunately, that's Human nature. But there are some who appreciate it. >Like Harry. > on occasion... >> >He's the only crew member to actually be promoted during >> >Voyager's six-year stint in the Delta Quadrant. >> >> *cough* Tommy *cough*... > >Tom started off as a Lieutenant, and is currently a Lieutenant. Tuvok >started off as a Lieutenant (despite the Lieutenent-Commander's pips he wore >on occasion in the first season) and is now a Lieutenant-Commander - the >same rank as the ship's First Officer. > still... it was a promotion of some sort... >> > He even helped buld the Delta Flyer! >> > >> >> LOL! He prevented it from getting stupid fins... :-) > >Plus I bet he helped Seven design the weapons and shield systems. > I think so too... >> >Unfortunately, Neelix was poorly written the majority of the >> >time we saw him, and has thus become associated with buffonish behaviour. >> >The same is not true of Tuvok. >> >> but it becomes more true every week... he's the entire ship's laughing >> stock now thanks to Tommy and Chucky and Janeway having dumped him... > >Neelix is, and always will be, the ship's laughing stock. Unless Paris >continues turning dates into cows, that is. > but that's written in a way as if it were the coolest thing in the world! >> >The space sickness probably affected Vorik just as much as it did Tuvok. >It >> >was a particular anomaly that happened to affect Vulcans more than >Humans. >> >What's so unreasonable about that? >> >> the way others reacted to it (barometer) for instance... cold, >> unfeeling, heartless and downright cruel... > >Nah, there was no malice behind the barometer comment. It was just Paris >making a smart-ass remark while trying to lighten the mood. A harmless joke. > then why did Tuvok give him that look???? >> >The sleeping on the bridge is faulty >> >execution of a well-intentioned idea, namely that Tuvok would work >himself >> >beyond his limits to assist Harry and B'Elanna. >> >> which made him look stupid, since not working yourself to exhaustion >> doesn't help anybody... > >Not as stupid as Chakotay in "One Small Step". Or Janeway in "Basics". > pretty similar - and Tommy *did* smile about it and got some kick out of seeing Tuvok sleeping on the bridge... >> >He's head of Security, and thus the one person on the ship who is >expected >> >to be the most injured or incapacitated. >> >> actually the head of Security should be better able to protect himself >> and defend himself... > >When has he been injured due to incompetance? Most of the time he gets hurt, >it's either not his fault (eg space sickness) or he's putting himself in >harm's way to save others (eg "Tsunkatse" or "Year of Hell"). > What about "Haunting"? Shouldn't he have realized that that thing was about to blow? >> >Not constantly trashed by Paris. Besides, he gives as good as he gets. >> >> not really this season - actually not really after he caved in to >> Tommy in "Gravity"... > >He didn't cave in to anyone ever. Tuvok isn't like that. > then what *did* he do in "Gravity" in your opinion?????? >> >Remember his insubordinate insult to Paris on the bridge in "The Haunting >of >> >Deck 12"? Paris shut up pretty quickly after that. >> >> *one* example in over a year... > >He was practically mocking Paris in "Bride of Chaotica!". Besides, Tuvok is >above that kind of thing. > which is why he looks so unable to put Tommy in place when the latter attacks him... >> >In "Equinox 2", Chakotay is relieved of duty. Tuvok isn't despite the >fact >> >that he uses the same arguments as Chakotay. >> >> she threatens to do so, though, unless he shuts up. He does so, thus >> stays on duty... > >Did she threaten Chakotay? Nope. She just releived him of duty without >warning. Tuvok, on the other hand, gets a warning. > well - with one of her two advisors already out of the picture she didn't really have much choice but had to keep Tuvok on duty. Since she didn't want to lose face by being inconsistent, she gave him the warning, knowing that he would follow it... >> not at all. She only ever has dinner/coffe/whatever in her quarters >> with Chucky. She only ever says that she trusts *nobody* more than >> Chucky (i.e.: *not* Tuvok) etc. > >Well of course she's going to tell Chakotay that. Actually I think in "Voyager Conspiracy" she said it to Seven... >He's her First Officer, >and she was trying to forge a bond between the Starfleet and maquis crews. >She has to have Chakotay think that he's the one she trusts most so that he >will make her the one he trusts most. What kind of message would she be >delivering to the maquis crew if she tells the senior maquis that she >doesn't trust him as much as she trusts Tuvok? Remember that most of the >Maquis didn't like Tuvok because he was spying on them. > and why would she tell Seven, that she trusts Chucky so much??? >And as for why she never has dinner with Tuvok, we learn in "Riddles" that >Tuvok spends most of his off-duty time alone in his quarters. Janeway, as >his friend, is most likely respecting his privacy instead of forcing him to >spend time with others (including herself) over dinner. > or maybe he spends his time alone because nobody invites him to join... >> >Yep. He got plenty of scenes that hurt his character, and only two >episodes >> >where he was given something good to do ("Fury" and "Haunting"). >> > >> >> And Tuvok did not get plenty of scenes that hurt his character? (Space >> sickness, for instance, or sleeping on the bridge, or gratuitous pon >> farr references, or getting thrown out of the room when he wants to >> discuss matters of security etc.) >> Unfortunately in many eps that was the one and only scene he had... > >Tuvok's had roughly the same number of good scenes and bad scenes this >season. Chakotay's bad scenes far outnumber his good ones. > except that all his scenes with Janeway (and he had lots of them) are ocunted as good ones by his fans... >> >Oh come on. Picardo's been around for way longer than Tim has. I'd bet >Bob's >> >known more for being Coach Cutlip on "The Wonder Years" or for being Dr. >> >Whoever on "China Beach" than he is for being The Doctor on Voyager. >> >> probably a combination of it all... > >I'd bet he's best known for "The Wonder Years". It got much better ratings >than "China Beach" or Voyager. Besides, with the ratings that Voyager's >getting these days, I doubt the average individual watches it. Remember the >Voyager category on Jeopardy? None of the contestants knew any of the >answers. Exposure on Voyager means nothing in the world of Hollywood. If >there was a Voyager movie, that might change. > but even then it would be just the same people to get attention... >> >So who's done non-Voyager work in the last 6 years? Jeri, Kate, Robbie, >and >> >Garrett. Bob's done one or two commercials, I think. >> >> Roxann guest starred on a series this year, Beltran did his "Hamlet" >> in theaters a couple of years back... they *all* have been working >> outside Voyager... >> >> > And Tim's put out two >> >CDs and produced a movie. It sounds to me like he's done the most! >> >> except, he has not worked for others. He did his movie himself, >> co-wrote it, produced it and co-starred in it. > >So he doesn't have to share the credit with anyone else. It shows that he >doesn't need others to get work. > but he can'T do it that often. He doesn't have the money to finance several such projects at once. He says so himself in a recent interview I read. >> >He was the most prominent in "Riddles", >> >> no, that was Ethan Phillips, who had almost twice the dialogue and was >> in considerably more scenes as well... > >The episode was about Tuvok. Neelix may have had more lines and more scenes, >but he was talking about Tuvok in most of them. It was a Tuvok-centered >episode. > that did not exactly give Tim exposure... >> > and was almost the most prominent in >> >"Fury". >> >> at best the #3 character... since Janeway and Kes were *far* more >> prominent... > >And at #3, he had more to do than the rest of them combined. > yeah, like collapsing and falling into a coma... >> >No, Enberg's an unknown background "actor" that nobody but his >step-mother >> >will hire. Russ will do just fine. Don't you trust Tim to make the most >of >> >his career? >> >> I would - if talent and professionalism meant anything. They don't. >> Not only are they irrelevant, they are probably even a hindrance to a >> career. The less talented and the less professional you are, the more >> likely you are to be given a chance. And another one. And a third one, >> if your character *still* does not work... > >So talent is irrelevant. I'd argue that exposure on Voyager is also >irrelevant. Tim needs connections in the television industry. He's got them. >All he needs is a copy of "Meld" or "Riddles" or "Innocence" and someone to >show them to. but who would want to watch the work of a background cameo-guy????? > Do you really think Picardo or Mulgrew will use dozens of >Voyager episodes to get them a job? I think it's much more likely that >they'll pick one or two stand-out episodes and use them as references. Tim's >got enough to do that, so he'll have no trouble whatsoever finding work. I just hope you are right, but after seeiing how everybody *but* Tim can have screentime on Voyager, and oodles of it, I am not convinced... Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-09 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On 09 Jun 2000 03:54:22 GMT, evilklowwn@aol.comedy (Bozo the Evil Klown) wrote: >Doreen doth write thus: > ><Snippage throughout> > >>> Lemme see: Equinox II - supporting part >> >>Badly written....I thought he was right (most Chak fans will, and if you >>read the novel, it's pretty clear) > >I didn't read the novel, and I'm not the most fervent Chakotay fan, either <G>, >but I still thought he was right; if Voyager was destroyed by the slimers, >there'd be no one left to stop Ransom. > >Of course, it didn't hurt that Beltran actually acted in this one. <EG> > ROTFLOL!! >but none of it was done from Chakotay's >>past experiences...he's been Ransom and had a chance at redemption. > >As if the writers even still had a glimmering of who the Maquis were..... > good point... >>May I point out that Tuvok also had a supporting part, and she doesn't >>confine him to quarters for opposing her. >She *needed* Tuvok at Weapons. As silly as her so-called strayegy was, having >her most skilled Tac officer on hand was essential. > and she couldn't confine *everybody* to quarters anyway... >>> Survival Instinct: scene with Janeway (trashing Tuvok) and scene with >>> Seven >> >>I have to agree with you here, but Tuvok gave as good as he got in this and >>Tuvok had his scenes as well. > >A true rarity; we see Starfleet Security actually hitting their targets; these >are Tuvok's people. > the whole scene would not have happened, had Janeway taken his concerns seriously before... but his advice is just soooo pointless :-(( >As far as the security report scene goes, Janeway and Chakotay may have >realized Tuvok was jokingly chiding Janeway about leaving the ship open like >that, and this *was* an example of Tuvok's driest wit: "There is a *third* >page." > that was a desperate attempt to get her attention!!!!!!! >>> Barge of the Dead - several minutes of screentime >> >>Yes, very good B/Chak but Tuvok also had good screentime, including the >>batleth scene. > >That scene was the *only* redeemable element of the story. > :-) >>> Alice: Chucky in charge >> >>That's what I liked about this episode...no argument. > >Beltran's performance was decent; he showed actual signs of life. Not his >fault the writers gave him insanely stupid lines like the bilge about having a >full complement of shuttles. > at least they didn't insult him by putting in gratuitous references to non-existing elements of his physiology... >>> Dragon's Teeth: ensemble part >> >>BUT, Chakotay validly objects to the Captain leading the away team, and she >>blows him off and takes TUVOK with her. Tuvok competently does everything >>in this ep (although he should have pointed out the punishment for Idiot >>Seven, with the cumulative knowledge of thousands of species, for opening >>that pod on an away mission) > >No, that was Janeway's job: *she* found Seven reviving the A'aaaardv'arrrc, and >*she* was commanding the Bye Bye Team. > nobody said she did *not* suck :-) >>> One Small Step: *Big* part >>But one where his character was fit into the part and once again re-created, >>despite Chakotay finally being passionate about something and making a very >>valid point to Seven. >>No way would the spiritual Chakotay of Season 2, who values the lives of his >>crewmen, endanger the lives of Tantrum-throwing Seven > >To be fair, *someone* needed to show some signs of survival instinct, and that >is in character for Seven. Between the fact that Chuckles disobeyed a direct >order from Janeway *and* Starfleet recognizes attempted suicide as a valid >reason to relieve someone of command (TOS "Doomsday Machine"), Chuckles got off >lucky. > as always... >>or Paris, to satisfy >>his own curiosity. >>Here's Chakotay's lame-ass injury (like Tuvok's in Tsunkatse) so >>Wonder-Woman Seven can yet again save the day...UGH...Season 2 Chakotay >>would have belted her for her attitude to him in the Delta Flyer and told >>Janeway to stuff it. > >I don't remember any such militant suicidal tendencies on anyone's part in >earlier seasons, aside from Cap'n ate treating her whole crew like disposable >redshirts. <G> > ROTFLOL! >>> Pathfinder: as little as everybody els >>And yes, a totally boring ep > >I liked the view of the Voyager crew through Barcley's eyes. Seeing a holodeck >*not* malfunctioning was a major surprise, too! > it was different - and had we not had nothing but eps about guest stars I might even have liked it for that reason... >>> Fair Have: *good* scene with Janeway >> >>Agreed...only redeeming thing to this piece of crap. > >*Nothing* could redeem that suckfest. > two words: space sickness! :-((((((((( >>> Memorial: major part >> >>But once again, the character used to give the other side of the story (this >>anguish should not be forced on people) rather than make it consistant with >>characteristics about Chakotay already known (Nemesis, and Unity, where he >>was forced to relive other people's experiences). > >*If* Vger had ever shown any sort of continuity, then those eps may have >influenced Chakotay's opinion about the *morality* of the Memorial. > *if* he had an opinion in the first place... but with his indecision aobut whether to identify with the Maquis or with Starfleet in early seasons, I'm not so sure... >>> Tsunkatse: Captain Chucky >> >>Yes, who needed the Delta Flyer to land the final blow for him (weakest part >>of this ep IMO) > >They've established in several eps that the battle cruiser Delta Crasher was >much tougher and heavier armed than Voyager. > that#s true... >>> Spirit Folk: not all that much >> >>Thank goodness...his look at Janeway like she's out of her mind when Michael >>is on the bridge, is the saving grace to this ep. Chakotay also got to give >>the idiot science line in B'Elanna's objection scene. > >Whether you love or loathe Chakotay, we can all agree that this ep blew goats. > :-) >>> Child's Play: not all that much >> >>Thank goodness...this was just a hideous episode, contrary to everything >>that his good about Trek, IMO. At least Tuvok was on the away team. > >This one was okay- it could have been *great,* if not for the knee-jerk pc >balderdash at the end. > :-( >>> Good Shepherd: important scene with Janeway >> >>Agreed. > >As if anything in that ep could be "important." > Ta' would probably disagree here... >>> Fury: Chucky in action >> >>Agreed...good scenes and Chakotay was a good commander, > >And even a good actor, during the Vidiian attack. > well... >>BUT Tuvok was once >>again in the loop and Chakotay out of it. He had no clue what would happen >>when Kes appeared and Tuvok did. Great interaction between Janeway and >>Tuvok. > >In the military, there's a thing called "need to know," when deciding how far >to disseminate confidential information. > exactly.. >>> Unimatrix Zero: ensemble player >> >>Yes, but he's damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't....he agrees with >>Janeway and he looks like a weakling. If he were the objector, he'd be used >>again to point out the line of action janeway rejected. > >Part and parcel of the "Janeway can do no wrong" attitude of TPTB. > >>Chakotay, arguably, is the expert on dreams, and no consultation. > >TPTB are uncertain about whether or not U-Zero is involved with dreaming. > >>He has >>been linked to the collective, yet no inclusion. Only Seven is considered >>important of the crew remaining on Voyager. > >Seven has the "mutation" that's the key to U-Zero. If Chakotay had it, there >was never any trace. > >>Tuvok on the other hand, is the >>facilitator for this whole thing to happen. > >Tuvok's teep abilities have been established. Chakotay's has not. <G> yep - though he has to step back and make room for Chucky often enough, so I'm really surprised they used him here... >>"The sacrifice of Voyager and her crew would be a small price to pay" >>(Chakotay's line in the conference room)...who the heck is this??? The man >>who argues all the time for the priority of the safety and well-being of the >>crew? > >The man who wanted to throw away three lives to retrieve a piece of debris, and >who simply couldn't grok why his crew wasn't as ready and eager to die as he >was. > who, OTOH, never cared what kind of consequences his personal private missions (like e.g. Initiations, Tattoo, Maneuvers) might have for his colleagues and the ship... >>Tuvok on the other hand, competently pointed out that Janeway should take a >>security officer, and she does. He efficiently does his job throughout the >>episode, without changing any known parameters about his character to fit >>the episode. > >He *should* have pointed out that if Pinky had proposed such a ridiculous >stunt, The Brain would have hurt him very very much. LOL! Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-09 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Fri, 09 Jun 2000 07:07:09 GMT, "Suzy" <suzy_j@worldnet.att.net> wrote: > >Julianna Feigl wrote in message ><7l00ks0qme6gq34r4s90f5vnh4ekoq36q7@4ax.com>... >>On Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:34:28 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" <dthartz@inwave.com> >>wrote: >> >>>> >> >> I almost gotta wonder why people don't admire him more for having >>>the >>>> >guts >>>> >> >to >>>> >> >> say what everybody here thinks... > >Thats what I enjoy about RB he is vocal about the problems with Voyager. >Gotta love someone who wants his character to tell Janeway to "park your ass >in the chair and get this ship home!" :))) > maybe if he actually bothered to *answer* questions that people ask him... >>>> >> ><sigh> >>>> >> and why do you think that is the case?? Maybe because he failed to >>>> >> impress us right from the beginning????? > >I liked RB right from the start, but thought the character of Chakotay was >just underused in the first few seasons. > ????? He was one of the most prominent characters in season 2!!!!!!! (Initiations, Tattoo, Maneuvers, Resolutions...) >>> >>>Once again, your opinion. >>>Lisa and I (and probably Therese) have seen quite a few of his films other >>>than "Night of the Comet" (he's made 3 while on Voyager) and we would >>>disagree. > >I have seen quite a few of his movies and have enjoyed most of them. I want >to see his lastest film Luminaris, but its not playing in the Seattle area >:((( If it helps: *I* haven't had a chance to see "East of Hope Street" yet... >>>> >Really? I dont agree at all, some of his scenes with Janeway are very >>>> >tender and very caring. >>>> >>>> there is absolutely no warmth in that man and he has the *coldest* >>>> eyes I've ever seen in my entire life. > >Wow I think he has the most beautiful eyes I have ever seen! (Ok RDM also >has the bluest baby blue's). They are such a dark brown and full of warmth. >Of course those dimples are worth the smile! > >>> we must be talking about two different guys... <snip> >>>Suzy would tell you the same thing about Portland, only she would probably >>>tell you that he answered every question humorously. > >Yes I would tell you he was a hoot at the Portland con this year! He was >relaxed, answered all the questions was not rude. Gave each individual what >ever time needed to ask a question and then repeated the question back to >the individual. as I said before: there must be two of them, identical twins, only one is nice and warm, the other one a rude jerk (and none can act...?) >>> >> >>nope. And his smile was not genuine. He had to look down every now and >>then to relax his face muscles, then he composed his face into a smile >>again and looked up... > >I have to disagree with you on this. Yes he looked down every now and then >*so what*? I tend to look up and to the right when thinking of a answer to >a question. Its a habit and does not mean you are rude, not genuine just >means you like to think before you open your mouth to speak! > no, it was not when he was thinking - it was for instance during the pauses, when people were changing places in front of the microphone etc. and he definitely relaxed his face muscles and made the false smile disappear when looking down (they projected him on a video screen, so that even those at the back could see him, so it was pretty obvious), but composed himself and put the smile back in place before looking up again... >> >>>> >> > The fact >>>> >> >that he doesnt worship at the altar of Star Trek upsets a lot of >>>people, >>>> >but >>>> >> >I would say he is probably more grounded than alot of the fans. > >I agree with this! > >>>> >> >>>> >> he doesn't have to worship at the altar of Star Trek, but he >shouldn't >>>> >> make it sound like everybody who watches Star Trek (for whichever >>>> >> reason, among others, to see his work) is a nerd > >Ok maybe its hard for him to take the person dressed up like a Star Trek >character seriously? what makes you think the people asking him questions *were* dressed up????? > I know the Portland con was my very first Trek con and >the Klingons threw me for a loop. :))) They were very nice and posed for a >pic but, still I was thinking "ok lot of these folks looked liked they >tripped in the 60's and were still tripping" LOL >And this from a person who wanted to marry Cpt Kirk! (hey I was only 9). > LOL! It is pretty usual to dress up for a convention. Many people do it. it's like going to a party or another special occasion and wearing the appropriate dress. Nothing stupid or "ungrounded" about it. >>>> > >>>> >Does he? The tape I've seen shows nothing like this at all. >>>> > >>>> >>>> well, when I saw him that was exactly how he behaved... >>> >>>Well he's stated his feelings about the fans openly and often, and they >are >>>positive. > >He does go out of his way to be nice to the fans. At the Portland con >signed a guys 2 pics even though it was a "one pic only" type of thing. > well - he did not even bother to answer the fans' questions and just joked around when I saw him some time back - though I hear he smiled at everybody nicely during autograph session. Probably the same fake smile he used during the guest talk.. >>then why does he treat them so poorly???? And not just the fans, I >>might add. > >When did he treat his fans so poorly? > when I saw him. About two years ago, slightly more. And I have heard reports of other conventions he went to that were just as negative as my impression... <snip> >>>> >> *some* fans might, but some others wouldn't, since not everybody is a >>>> >> J/C-fan > >I'm a Chakotay fan but not a J/Cer!! I think Resolutions was terrible ep! cool!!!! >I can't stand the stupid monkey ( sorry gf) > now *that* was cute!!! <snip> >>>> he did nothing of the sort. He asked for coffee and refused to start >>>> before somebody had brought him coffee - and he came on late already >>>> anyway. Apparently it's impossible to set an alarm and start your job >>>> on time... *I* should do that - my boss would get furious! > >Thats not fair we don't know the circumstances about getting to the con. we do. He was already there. He had been there the night before. He stayed at the hotel. >It >may have been his fault or someone running the con that he started late. nope. His talk was the first event on the program on that day, nothing was running late, everybody else was there (security people, MC, technical personnel etc.), the mics were installed, the lights were on, the only thing missing was RB - and he hadn't even had his breakfast/coffee yet... >The con in Portland ran late so RB was on late. Do I blame him? No the >live auction part took forever, I fault the people in charge of the con they >should have allowed more time or had less items to auction off. > that is an entirely different situation. When I saw him they had to keep the audience calm and assure them that he'd be out in a minute. There was nothing else going on. He just hadn't had his breakfast yet and somebody tried to get him there and bring some coffee... <snip> >> >>I have never seen her, so I can't say anything good or bad about her. >>What I have heard from others would be *their* impression. Beltran I >>*have* seen and my impression was extremely negative... > >I have seen him twice and plan on seeing him again in OCT at the Galaxy >Ball. It should be a lot of fun just like it was last year. > if you say so... my impression of RB was of that kind that I'd avoid him at all costs <snip> >> >>>I saw a somewhat shy, >> >>shy????????? Beltran??????????????? > >Yes he was shy at the Ball Q and A, but once he was on a roll he was >charming :) >> there are two of them. There is no other explanation. >>> charming man who loves his job, his co-workers, his >>>character and particularly, being an actor. >> >>you forgot: "himself" > >You have to love yourself if you are an actor LOL > not necessarily. Or do you think Jennifer Lien loves herself??? Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-09 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:32:43 +0100, "Allie Andrews" <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote > >> The answer is: "I don't care. I am not much into SF anyway, I much >> prefer love stories..." > >But why does that make him a bad person? > it makes him an unprofessional actor. He *does* play a part on a SF-show. It is his job to care about the character and to think about how this character might react in different situations. He should have ideas what this character might feel strongly about, what would be the character's worst nightmare or where he might be vulnerable, that kind of thing. Every actor should think about every part they play and try to understand him/her as well as possible. That way they can portray them more convincingly. But since he doesn't do that and admits to not caring, because it's SF... maybe he should not do SF if the genre prevents him from caring for the character he plays... Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-09 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:30:52 +0100, "Allie Andrews" <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote > >> indeed - though I have a pretty good idea what it will be... > >I will do my best to be objective Jules. While I do not dislike him like you >do, I am not a huge fan of his so if he is awful I will see it and report it >here.............you can be sure of that! > okay :-) But I'm still very unhappy that you all give *Beltran* a chance and didn't bother to go see Tim :-((((( Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-09 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Fri, 09 Jun 2000 08:57:32 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >Julianna wrote > >Jules, I'm gonna try and reply to all of this in one post as I dont have >much time at the moment to reply to everything individually. > >FWIW, you and I are always going to have different opinions on RB/Chucky and >we have to respect that. I dont disagree with what you saw at the >convention because obviously I wasnt there, but neither can I ignore what >Doreen, Suzy, Therese, Juli and others have said as they have all met him >too and their opinions are the complete antithesis of yours. I'm not the only one who had that kind of a negative impression and it was not just this one convention. There have been several con reports online over the past few years that are pretty identical to my experiences. > I'm not sure >why you have such a hate at the man, I dont understand what he has ever done >to you to deserve such venom, but you are entitled to think the way that you >do. He was one of the absolutely *worst* convention guests I've ever seen - and I've met dozens of actors. > You think a lot of Tim and that is great, but there are people who dont >feel the way that you do and as Doreen I think pointed out she has heard >some negative things about him, I also have spoken to a couple of people who >were less than impressed with him, which is something I have never mentioned >before and something I dont intend to drag into this ng out of respect for >your feelings, perhaps you could extend this courtesy to others as well? > sorry - but you can say whatever you want about Tim - I only laugh at it, because I know what he's like. :-))))) >As far as season 6 goes, he may have had marginally more time than Tuvok, >but I dont really see what you are trying to prove by saying that, it still >doesnt detract from the fact that his character has been constantly >undermined, that his screentime is diminishing rapidly and that he didnt >have a single ep of his own last season. > that Tuvok's character has been constantly undermined, his screentime diminshed rapidly for *years* - *far* longer than Chucky - and his screentime is *far* less than *anybody's* by now and he will *never* have an ep of his own again and hasn't had one since the series' halfway-mark, while Chucky had at about 4 ("Waking Moments, Unforgettable, In the Flesh and The Fight) in that same period. You Chucky-fans don't have an idea how *incredibly* blessed you are that he gets so much more than Tim. I'd be in seventh heaven if Tuvok had had as much stuff to do as Chucky in any of the last *three* seasons. >Whatever you say I am still looking forward to meeting him tomorrow. I am, >believe it or not, an adult mature woman and all kidding aside I am not an >infatuated teenager with a crush on someone. I like him, I think he is >devastatingly attractive, but I also like the character just as much. I >would be as excited as I am now if it were Kate I were going to see tomorrow >or Garrett or RDM as I like all these people and think that they would be >fun to see and as Allie and I have pointed out seeing RB is a bonus, the >best part is that we are going to meet up and have a fun time together. maybe... I just can't understand how anybody would be looking forward to seeing such an unfriendly guy. Or why would even *want* to see him in the first place - especially since you all passed up on your chance of seeing two really nice guys in Manchester earlier this year... Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-09 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Suzy <suzy_j@worldnet.att.net>)


Julianna Feigl wrote in message <7l00ks0qme6gq34r4s90f5vnh4ekoq36q7@4ax.com>... >On Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:34:28 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" <dthartz@inwave.com> >wrote: > >> >>"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>news:q4btjs40tkjmmccstpihkkg4v3ib8a90jf@4ax.com... >>> On Wed, 07 Jun 2000 19:32:07 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >>> >>> >Julianna wrote >>> > >>> > >>> >> >> >>> >> >> I almost gotta wonder why people don't admire him more for having >>the >>> >guts >>> >> >to >>> >> >> say what everybody here thinks... Thats what I enjoy about RB he is vocal about the problems with Voyager. Gotta love someone who wants his character to tell Janeway to "park your ass in the chair and get this ship home!" :))) >>> >> > >>> >> ><sigh> >>> >> > >>> >> >Because everybody pegged him as a mediocre actor years ago >>> >> >>> >> and why do you think that is the case?? Maybe because he failed to >>> >> impress us right from the beginning????? I liked RB right from the start, but thought the character of Chakotay was just underused in the first few seasons. >>> > >>> >Maybe he didnt, but for others he did. Its just horses for course >>Julianna >>> >I'm afraid. >>> > >>> >>> maybe - but don't tell us that we didn't give him a chance. We >> >>You and who else Julianna? >> > >all those here that make wooden jokes. I'm not the only one... > >>did not >>> hate him from the beginning. It's just that he impressed most of us >>> *far* less than most others do. He *is* only mediocre compaired to >>> them. At best. >> >>Kind of like me and Jeri Ryan...when I get past her boobs, there's nothing >>there...mediocre at best.... Jeri Ryan has boobs???? ;) I just thought she had saddlebags (meow) >>But that would be my opinion, and I did try to give her a chance at first, >>but seeing one lame scene after another means she has more boring Voyager >>eps on my list than any other character, and she has certainly had a greater >>chance to impress me than all the other characters combined because she's >>had more eps in 3 years than they have had in 6. I'm with you on this one gf! JR is boring and the *pink dress* is getting old! >>> > >well, Chucky had more than most others as well. Especially in season >2... > >>> >> >>> >> >and never bothers >>> >> >to really look and change their opinion of him. >>> >> >>> >> oh, rest assured, we *do* look. We *have* to. He is forced down our >>> >> throats often enough. The more I see him the less I am impressed... >>> >> The only thing he *can* do is aggression >> >>Once again, your opinion. >>Lisa and I (and probably Therese) have seen quite a few of his films other >>than "Night of the Comet" (he's made 3 while on Voyager) and we would >>disagree. I have seen quite a few of his movies and have enjoyed most of them. I want to see his lastest film Luminaris, but its not playing in the Seattle area :((( >> > >nothing he has done on Voyager would make me want to watch him if I >can avoid it. I'm not a masochist, after all >>> > >>> >Really? I dont agree at all, some of his scenes with Janeway are very >>> >tender and very caring. >>> >>> there is absolutely no warmth in that man and he has the *coldest* >>> eyes I've ever seen in my entire life. Wow I think he has the most beautiful eyes I have ever seen! (Ok RDM also has the bluest baby blue's). They are such a dark brown and full of warmth. Of course those dimples are worth the smile! >> >>Your opinion again, and someone else told me the exact same thing about Tim >>Russ, in fact, called it a "wolfish look", and called him rude. > >LOL! What kind of deranged person was that??????? Tim has about the >*most* expressive eyes I've seen! And he couldn't be rude if he wanted >to! He actually was not even really rude enough when playing the >Klingon on the DS9 ep... > >>His brown eyes were warm and laughing when I saw RB. >> > >his eyes never laugh. Ask Jup, she has the same impression. It's not >just me! Well his eyes laughed at the Ball and at the Portland con so have to disagree with you on this one! >>> >>> > As for being forced down our throats you are >>> >obviously watching a different show to me. >>> > >>> >>> didn't you see the list of heavy parts I posted somewhere else? >> >>LOL...I answered them, and Tim had as much as RB this season. >> > >nowhere close... > > ><snip> >>> Tim also may start off with a song - which is only natural, since he's >>> advertising his CD and possibly a concert performance the same >>> evening. It's not always the same song, though. He has 2 or 3 stories >>> or gags that he *can* tell when it seems like there is no question >>> forthcoming for the moment, but he does not tell them *all* the time. >>> In other words, he *can* bridge an awkward silence, because he has a >>> stock repertoire of things he can use to keep the audience >>> entertained. That does not make him "not honest", "appealing to the >>> audience" and all the other things you are accusing "the others" (as >>> in: not Beltran) of. >> >>Lisa didn't accuse anyone with that statement. She was pointing out that RB >>doesn't like to do a prepared set of things for each con. Perhaps the >>spontanaeity is the appeal for him. >>Some people prefer one or the other. Obviously you prefer the prepared >>route. >> > >I prefer what works. If spontaneity leads to awkward scenes like >people not knowing to avoid certain topics then I don't appreciate it. >If actors instead of answering the obvious stuff beforehand wait for >nervous fans to spend 5 minutes on the microphone before they manage >to spell out that they want to know how long the makeup takes, then >that is awkward and not refreshing at all as well. > >>> >>> > I believe Shammie said this was why she preferred >>> >Garrett to Tim at the con she went to because Garrett was less prepared >>and >>> >gave more of himself than Tim did. >>> >>> >>> Garrett may be a bit more spontaneous, but he isn't "sucking up to the >>> audience" either, and he, too, keeps telling the same stories (like >>> the elbow-thing). I wouldn't say that he gives more of himself than >>> Tim does. Maybe in different areas and in a different way. Neither of >>> them would *ever* consider not answering a reasonable question - or at >>> least trying to answer it. >> >>When I saw RB, he answered every question, and kindly. > >he did nothing of that sort when *I* met him... in fact he talked a >lot but didn't really *say* anything... > >>Suzy would tell you the same thing about Portland, only she would probably >>tell you that he answered every question humorously. Yes I would tell you he was a hoot at the Portland con this year! He was relaxed, answered all the questions was not rude. Gave each individual what ever time needed to ask a question and then repeated the question back to the individual. >> > >nope. And his smile was not genuine. He had to look down every now and >then to relax his face muscles, then he composed his face into a smile >again and looked up... I have to disagree with you on this. Yes he looked down every now and then *so what*? I tend to look up and to the right when thinking of a answer to a question. Its a habit and does not mean you are rude, not genuine just means you like to think before you open your mouth to speak! > >>> >> > The fact >>> >> >that he doesnt worship at the altar of Star Trek upsets a lot of >>people, >>> >but >>> >> >I would say he is probably more grounded than alot of the fans. I agree with this! >>> >> >>> >> he doesn't have to worship at the altar of Star Trek, but he shouldn't >>> >> make it sound like everybody who watches Star Trek (for whichever >>> >> reason, among others, to see his work) is a nerd Ok maybe its hard for him to take the person dressed up like a Star Trek character seriously? I know the Portland con was my very first Trek con and the Klingons threw me for a loop. :))) They were very nice and posed for a pic but, still I was thinking "ok lot of these folks looked liked they tripped in the 60's and were still tripping" LOL And this from a person who wanted to marry Cpt Kirk! (hey I was only 9). >>> > >>> >Does he? The tape I've seen shows nothing like this at all. >>> > >>> >>> well, when I saw him that was exactly how he behaved... >> >>Well he's stated his feelings about the fans openly and often, and they are >>positive. He does go out of his way to be nice to the fans. At the Portland con signed a guys 2 pics even though it was a "one pic only" type of thing. > >then why does he treat them so poorly???? And not just the fans, I >might add. When did he treat his fans so poorly? >>> >> >>> >> > Sure he has >>> >> >his bad points, but he also has some good ones and I would far rather >>go >>> >and >>> >> >see someone who tells it like it is rather than what they think the >>fans >>> >> >would want to hear. >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> What makes you think others tell what the fans would want to hear but >>> >> is not their own opinion????? Which others do that???? >> >>I think she's referring to just how politically correct some of the actors >>are. I could tell you which ones I perceived as being completely full of it >>when I saw them... >>(no, Tim was not one of them, nor was RB) >> > >*some* maybe, but she made it sound as if she were talking about >*everybody but* Beltran. After all, she used this attitude of his as >an explanation why *he* is hated, while others are not... > > >>> >> >I mean he could stand there and say he has been desperate for J/C to >>kiss >>> >> >for years and begged the producers to do it and the fans would love >>that >>> >> >>> >> *some* fans might, but some others wouldn't, since not everybody is a >>> >> J/C-fan I'm a Chakotay fan but not a J/Cer!! I think Resolutions was terrible ep! I can't stand the stupid monkey ( sorry gf) >>> > >>> >Considering that most of his fans, myself *not* included, tend to be >>J/Cers. >>> > >>> >>> *some* - not all As I said before Not me :))) >> >>But alot, and my perception of J/C is different from RB's, and that's my >>right too...doesn't make his viewpoint belittle mine. He saw J/C as >>one-sided from only Chak, and I did not. I agreed with RB on this one it was all one-sided IMHO. And this season Janeway has been a cold fish ;) > >whatever he thinks, he should *say* it and not joke around and pretend >he hasn't heard the question... > > >>> > >>> >As I said people have off days and if he says at the start of a talk, >>which >>> >I've read that he has done sometimes, that J/C is not an issue >>> >>> he did nothing of the sort. He asked for coffee and refused to start >>> before somebody had brought him coffee - and he came on late already >>> anyway. Apparently it's impossible to set an alarm and start your job >>> on time... *I* should do that - my boss would get furious! Thats not fair we don't know the circumstances about getting to the con. It may have been his fault or someone running the con that he started late. The con in Portland ran late so RB was on late. Do I blame him? No the live auction part took forever, I fault the people in charge of the con they should have allowed more time or had less items to auction off. >> >>You have no idea what went on to make people late. According to the people >>who know him...they run his website and set up a good deal of the Galaxy >>Ball stuff with him... being late is not one of RB's faults. Things happen >>at cons that push schedules around. > >well... his was the *first* talk of the day (i.e. no previous even >running overtime), he was staying at the hotel, so no traffic >problems, the premises had been open long enough for the audience to >get access, *everything* was set and waiting for *him* - but he just >didn't bother to appear in time... > >> I've heard some really interesting Jeri Ryan stories and noone's bashing >>her here for being demanding. I have heard the same story about JR LOL > >I have never seen her, so I can't say anything good or bad about her. >What I have heard from others would be *their* impression. Beltran I >*have* seen and my impression was extremely negative... I have seen him twice and plan on seeing him again in OCT at the Galaxy Ball. It should be a lot of fun just like it was last year. >>> >>> perhaps not everybody is the most avid Beltran fan and reads >>> everything available on him in every mag and on the net. If he goes to >>> a convention he must expect to meet people that are here just out of >>> curiosity, to see what he is like, and that have *not* studied up on >>> him. He owes them the explanation that some topics are off limits. But >>> since it's a bad thing to prepare a little speech for the start of a >>> guest talk he can't do than and people who have no way of knowing that >>> this is a sensitive topic will be targeted by his wrath... >> >>Sorry, never saw any, and people asked him about just about everything. >>I'm sorry that your experience was negative, but mine was completely >>positive and surprising, because people bash RB for things that he just >>isn't. He doesn't take the time to correct it so maybe that's how these >>impressions get started. > >I don't know, but he was exactly as I described him when *I* saw him. >Maybe there's two of him? An evil twin and a nice twin??? > >>I saw a somewhat shy, > >shy????????? Beltran??????????????? Yes he was shy at the Ball Q and A, but once he was on a roll he was charming :) > >> charming man who loves his job, his co-workers, his >>character and particularly, being an actor. > >you forgot: "himself" You have to love yourself if you are an actor LOL > >> He was sensitive to his fans >>and enjoyed interacting with us, in fact seemed to be relaxed and energised >>by it. >>I hope Lisa, Allie, and Therese have the same kind of experience. I know they will have a lot of fun! I know Doreen and I will be clinking our wine glasses to Lisa, Allie and Therese on Saturday night!!! >> > >I don't have much hope for them, though.. > >Julianna Suzy (clink gf)

2000-06-09 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Allie Andrews <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk>)


Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote > indeed - though I have a pretty good idea what it will be... I will do my best to be objective Jules. While I do not dislike him like you do, I am not a huge fan of his so if he is awful I will see it and report it here.............you can be sure of that! Allie x

2000-06-09 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Allie Andrews <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk>)


Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote > > The answer is: "I don't care. I am not much into SF anyway, I much > prefer love stories..." But why does that make him a bad person? Allie x

2000-06-09 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Allie Andrews <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk>)


Citizen G'Kar <Narns@allEXCEPTSPAMisurvey.freeserve.co.uk> wrote > Spent it all on Grecian 2000 over the last couple of seasons... Whch is a shame becasue most men look seier when they are greying Allie x

2000-06-09 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


Julianna wrote Jules, I'm gonna try and reply to all of this in one post as I dont have much time at the moment to reply to everything individually. FWIW, you and I are always going to have different opinions on RB/Chucky and we have to respect that. I dont disagree with what you saw at the convention because obviously I wasnt there, but neither can I ignore what Doreen, Suzy, Therese, Juli and others have said as they have all met him too and their opinions are the complete antithesis of yours. I'm not sure why you have such a hate at the man, I dont understand what he has ever done to you to deserve such venom, but you are entitled to think the way that you do. You think a lot of Tim and that is great, but there are people who dont feel the way that you do and as Doreen I think pointed out she has heard some negative things about him, I also have spoken to a couple of people who were less than impressed with him, which is something I have never mentioned before and something I dont intend to drag into this ng out of respect for your feelings, perhaps you could extend this courtesy to others as well? As far as season 6 goes, he may have had marginally more time than Tuvok, but I dont really see what you are trying to prove by saying that, it still doesnt detract from the fact that his character has been constantly undermined, that his screentime is diminishing rapidly and that he didnt have a single ep of his own last season. Whatever you say I am still looking forward to meeting him tomorrow. I am, believe it or not, an adult mature woman and all kidding aside I am not an infatuated teenager with a crush on someone. I like him, I think he is devastatingly attractive, but I also like the character just as much. I would be as excited as I am now if it were Kate I were going to see tomorrow or Garrett or RDM as I like all these people and think that they would be fun to see and as Allie and I have pointed out seeing RB is a bonus, the best part is that we are going to meet up and have a fun time together. Lisa

2000-06-09 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (juli17@aol.com)


>>His brown eyes were warm and laughing when I saw RB. >> > >his eyes never laugh. Ask Jup, she has the same impression. It's not >just me! Sorry, I must vehemently disagree here. All discussion on whether his very dry wit is charming or rude from different perspectives, I've seen Beltran twice, up close. When this guy smiles those dimples of his appear, and his eyes are most definitely laughing. Most definitely. Julie

2000-06-09 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (evilklowwn@aol.comedy)


Doreen doth write thus: <Snippage throughout> >> Lemme see: Equinox II - supporting part > >Badly written....I thought he was right (most Chak fans will, and if you >read the novel, it's pretty clear) I didn't read the novel, and I'm not the most fervent Chakotay fan, either <G>, but I still thought he was right; if Voyager was destroyed by the slimers, there'd be no one left to stop Ransom. Of course, it didn't hurt that Beltran actually acted in this one. <EG> but none of it was done from Chakotay's >past experiences...he's been Ransom and had a chance at redemption. As if the writers even still had a glimmering of who the Maquis were..... >May I point out that Tuvok also had a supporting part, and she doesn't >confine him to quarters for opposing her. She *needed* Tuvok at Weapons. As silly as her so-called strayegy was, having her most skilled Tac officer on hand was essential. >> Survival Instinct: scene with Janeway (trashing Tuvok) and scene with >> Seven > >I have to agree with you here, but Tuvok gave as good as he got in this and >Tuvok had his scenes as well. A true rarity; we see Starfleet Security actually hitting their targets; these are Tuvok's people. As far as the security report scene goes, Janeway and Chakotay may have realized Tuvok was jokingly chiding Janeway about leaving the ship open like that, and this *was* an example of Tuvok's driest wit: "There is a *third* page." >> Barge of the Dead - several minutes of screentime > >Yes, very good B/Chak but Tuvok also had good screentime, including the >batleth scene. That scene was the *only* redeemable element of the story. >> Alice: Chucky in charge > >That's what I liked about this episode...no argument. Beltran's performance was decent; he showed actual signs of life. Not his fault the writers gave him insanely stupid lines like the bilge about having a full complement of shuttles. >> Dragon's Teeth: ensemble part > >BUT, Chakotay validly objects to the Captain leading the away team, and she >blows him off and takes TUVOK with her. Tuvok competently does everything >in this ep (although he should have pointed out the punishment for Idiot >Seven, with the cumulative knowledge of thousands of species, for opening >that pod on an away mission) No, that was Janeway's job: *she* found Seven reviving the A'aaaardv'arrrc, and *she* was commanding the Bye Bye Team. >> One Small Step: *Big* part >But one where his character was fit into the part and once again re-created, >despite Chakotay finally being passionate about something and making a very >valid point to Seven. >No way would the spiritual Chakotay of Season 2, who values the lives of his >crewmen, endanger the lives of Tantrum-throwing Seven To be fair, *someone* needed to show some signs of survival instinct, and that is in character for Seven. Between the fact that Chuckles disobeyed a direct order from Janeway *and* Starfleet recognizes attempted suicide as a valid reason to relieve someone of command (TOS "Doomsday Machine"), Chuckles got off lucky. >or Paris, to satisfy >his own curiosity. >Here's Chakotay's lame-ass injury (like Tuvok's in Tsunkatse) so >Wonder-Woman Seven can yet again save the day...UGH...Season 2 Chakotay >would have belted her for her attitude to him in the Delta Flyer and told >Janeway to stuff it. I don't remember any such militant suicidal tendencies on anyone's part in earlier seasons, aside from Cap'n ate treating her whole crew like disposable redshirts. <G> >> Pathfinder: as little as everybody els >And yes, a totally boring ep I liked the view of the Voyager crew through Barcley's eyes. Seeing a holodeck *not* malfunctioning was a major surprise, too! >> Fair Have: *good* scene with Janeway > >Agreed...only redeeming thing to this piece of crap. *Nothing* could redeem that suckfest. >> Memorial: major part > >But once again, the character used to give the other side of the story (this >anguish should not be forced on people) rather than make it consistant with >characteristics about Chakotay already known (Nemesis, and Unity, where he >was forced to relive other people's experiences). *If* Vger had ever shown any sort of continuity, then those eps may have influenced Chakotay's opinion about the *morality* of the Memorial. >> Tsunkatse: Captain Chucky > >Yes, who needed the Delta Flyer to land the final blow for him (weakest part >of this ep IMO) They've established in several eps that the battle cruiser Delta Crasher was much tougher and heavier armed than Voyager. >> Spirit Folk: not all that much > >Thank goodness...his look at Janeway like she's out of her mind when Michael >is on the bridge, is the saving grace to this ep. Chakotay also got to give >the idiot science line in B'Elanna's objection scene. Whether you love or loathe Chakotay, we can all agree that this ep blew goats. >> Child's Play: not all that much > >Thank goodness...this was just a hideous episode, contrary to everything >that his good about Trek, IMO. At least Tuvok was on the away team. This one was okay- it could have been *great,* if not for the knee-jerk pc balderdash at the end. >> Good Shepherd: important scene with Janeway > >Agreed. As if anything in that ep could be "important." >> Fury: Chucky in action > >Agreed...good scenes and Chakotay was a good commander, And even a good actor, during the Vidiian attack. >BUT Tuvok was once >again in the loop and Chakotay out of it. He had no clue what would happen >when Kes appeared and Tuvok did. Great interaction between Janeway and >Tuvok. In the military, there's a thing called "need to know," when deciding how far to disseminate confidential information. >> Unimatrix Zero: ensemble player > >Yes, but he's damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't....he agrees with >Janeway and he looks like a weakling. If he were the objector, he'd be used >again to point out the line of action janeway rejected. Part and parcel of the "Janeway can do no wrong" attitude of TPTB. >Chakotay, arguably, is the expert on dreams, and no consultation. TPTB are uncertain about whether or not U-Zero is involved with dreaming. >He has >been linked to the collective, yet no inclusion. Only Seven is considered >important of the crew remaining on Voyager. Seven has the "mutation" that's the key to U-Zero. If Chakotay had it, there was never any trace. >Tuvok on the other hand, is the >facilitator for this whole thing to happen. Tuvok's teep abilities have been established. Chakotay's has not. <G> >"The sacrifice of Voyager and her crew would be a small price to pay" >(Chakotay's line in the conference room)...who the heck is this??? The man >who argues all the time for the priority of the safety and well-being of the >crew? The man who wanted to throw away three lives to retrieve a piece of debris, and who simply couldn't grok why his crew wasn't as ready and eager to die as he was. >Tuvok on the other hand, competently pointed out that Janeway should take a >security officer, and she does. He efficiently does his job throughout the >episode, without changing any known parameters about his character to fit >the episode. He *should* have pointed out that if Pinky had proposed such a ridiculous stunt, The Brain would have hurt him very very much. ***************************************** "Insanity is a part of the times, Vir: You must learn to *embrace* the madness!!" Londo Mollari

2000-06-10 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (TheFlinx <theFlinxx@yahoo.com>)


Allie Andrews wrote in message <8hj3o6$pdv$1@plutonium.compulink.co.uk>... > >Stevie-pops wrote : > >> Questions for Beltran: >> >> 1. "Is Chakotay's tattoo done with magic marker, or do they just have >> you lie down and roll a tire over your forehead?" > >I like this one! > >Actually I just got off the phone with Flinx and he thinks we should all go >there with tatoos on our forheads. I'm having one of a naked man. hmmmm... what will the eyebrow represent???

2000-06-10 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Starfish <starfish-sc@gmx.de>)


Suzy schrieb: > Julianna Feigl wrote in message > >On Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:34:28 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" wrote: > >>"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message > >>> On Wed, 07 Jun 2000 19:32:07 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: > >>> >Julianna wrote <snip> > >>> there is absolutely no warmth in that man and he has the *coldest* > >>> eyes I've ever seen in my entire life. > > >>Your opinion again, and someone else told me the exact same thing about > Tim > >>Russ, in fact, called it a "wolfish look", and called him rude. > > > >LOL! What kind of deranged person was that??????? Tim has about the > >*most* expressive eyes I've seen! And he couldn't be rude if he wanted > >to! He actually was not even really rude enough when playing the > >Klingon on the DS9 ep... Sure he can be rude... <snip> <snip RB being late at con panel> > >>You have no idea what went on to make people late. According to the people > >>who know him...they run his website and set up a good deal of the Galaxy > >>Ball stuff with him... being late is not one of RB's faults. Things > happen > >>at cons that push schedules around. > > > >well... his was the *first* talk of the day (i.e. no previous even > >running overtime), he was staying at the hotel, so no traffic > >problems, the premises had been open long enough for the audience to > >get access, *everything* was set and waiting for *him* - but he just > >didn't bother to appear in time... He might have been late (I think I know which con you are talking about here, Julianna), because he had been at the hotel bar till the wee hours, partying, WITH FANS I might add. Fact is, we don't know why he was late for the panel and whether or not it was his fault. My impression of him at that con was that he is a 1:1 or 1:few kind of person and does not like speaking in front of large convention crowds. > >> I've heard some really interesting Jeri Ryan stories and noone's bashing > >>her here for being demanding. > > I have heard the same story about JR LOL *fierce nod* <snip> da Starfish

2000-06-10 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Starfish <starfish-sc@gmx.de>)


Julianna wrote: <major snip> [Robert Beltran starting panel late at one convention] See my reply to Suzy's post. da Starfish

2000-06-10 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Starfish <starfish-sc@gmx.de>)


Julianna Feigl schrieb: > On Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:32:43 +0100, "Allie Andrews" > >Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote > > >> The answer is: "I don't care. I am not much into SF anyway, I much > >> prefer love stories..." > > > >But why does that make him a bad person? > > it makes him an unprofessional actor. He *does* play a part on a > SF-show. It is his job to care about the character and to think about > how this character might react in different situations. He should have > ideas what this character might feel strongly about, what would be the > character's worst nightmare or where he might be vulnerable, that kind > of thing. Every actor should think about every part they play and try > to understand him/her as well as possible. That way they can portray > them more convincingly. But since he doesn't do that and admits to not > caring, because it's SF... maybe he should not do SF if the genre > prevents him from caring for the character he plays... That is all your opinion. There are almost as many approaches to acting as there are actors. I find his honesty refreshing. da Starfish

2000-06-10 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Fri, 9 Jun 2000 19:52:11 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" <dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: > >"Bozo the Evil Klown" <evilklowwn@aol.comedy> wrote in message >news:20000608235422.01139.00000219@ng-fd1.aol.com... >> Doreen doth write thus: >> >> but I still thought he was right; if Voyager was destroyed by the slimers, >> there'd be no one left to stop Ransom. >> >> Of course, it didn't hurt that Beltran actually acted in this one. <EG> > >I think he usually does, it doesn't look that way, though... > but it has to nice to actually *have* something to >do that has a point... > >> >> but none of it was done from Chakotay's >> >past experiences...he's been Ransom and had a chance at redemption. >> >> As if the writers even still had a glimmering of who the Maquis were..... > >I thought that was the point of Resolutions, and a part of Hunters, and >Extreme Risk, so you would think that they had a clue... it's been done already, it'd be dull to repeat... >> >May I point out that Tuvok also had a supporting part, and she doesn't >> >confine him to quarters for opposing her. >> She *needed* Tuvok at Weapons. As silly as her so-called strayegy was, >having >> her most skilled Tac officer on hand was essential. > >Yes, but it made Tuvok look like he had no guts and Janeway like Captain >Bligh. > on duty he might have been able to do *something* in his quarters he would have been of no use to anybody... (though the writers probably think that's the case all the time anyway... >> >> >> Survival Instinct: scene with Janeway (trashing Tuvok) and scene with >> >> Seven >> > >> >I have to agree with you here, but Tuvok gave as good as he got in this >and >> >Tuvok had his scenes as well. >> >> A true rarity; we see Starfleet Security actually hitting their targets; >these >> are Tuvok's people. > >No disagreement here...I love it when we get to see the people doing their >jobs who should be doing them. > the point is, they shouldn't have had to do it had somebody listened to their boss... >> >> As far as the security report scene goes, Janeway and Chakotay may have >> realized Tuvok was jokingly chiding Janeway about leaving the ship open >like >> that, and this *was* an example of Tuvok's driest wit: "There is a *third* >> page." > >LOL, so do I, which is why I liked the humor between the three of them. > humor?????? C and also J were rude! >> >> >> Barge of the Dead - several minutes of screentime >> > >> >Yes, very good B/Chak but Tuvok also had good screentime, including the >> >batleth scene. >> >> That scene was the *only* redeemable element of the story. > >Sorry, I liked it alot, but B'Elanna is by far my fav female on the series >and I like stories about people challenging their beliefs. > it was a mess >> >> >> Alice: Chucky in charge >> > >> >That's what I liked about this episode...no argument. >> >> Beltran's performance was decent; he showed actual signs of life. Not his >> fault the writers gave him insanely stupid lines like the bilge about >having a >> full complement of shuttles. > >LOL...that was ridiculous... >Good thing RB isn't die-hard Trek for that line! > since he doesn't care I doubt he even noticed... <snip> >> To be fair, *someone* needed to show some signs of survival instinct, and >that >> is in character for Seven. Between the fact that Chuckles disobeyed a >direct >> order from Janeway *and* Starfleet recognizes attempted suicide as a valid >> reason to relieve someone of command (TOS "Doomsday Machine"), Chuckles >got off >> lucky. > >I don't disagree with you either...what I disliked was the characterization >of Chakotay. His actions in this ep didn't fit with any of them previously >established for his character, so they were just plugging him in to fit the >story. > what *has* been previously established for his character that has *not* been contradicted????? <snip> >> Tuvok's teep abilities have been established. Chakotay's has not. <G> > >No argument there, or about how they used Tuvok (I enjoyed that)...my point >to Julianna was that they DID effectively use Tuvok in a way that made him >look competent. > at least he did show up at all and even had lines... Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-10 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Fri, 9 Jun 2000 20:04:31 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" <dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: > >"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message >news:58h2ksssi45mk9jrkvnso3dpiksfmpvoc8@4ax.com... >> On 09 Jun 2000 03:54:22 GMT, evilklowwn@aol.comedy (Bozo the Evil >> Klown) wrote: >> >> >>May I point out that Tuvok also had a supporting part, and she doesn't >> >>confine him to quarters for opposing her. >> >She *needed* Tuvok at Weapons. As silly as her so-called strayegy was, >having >> >her most skilled Tac officer on hand was essential. >> > >> >> and she couldn't confine *everybody* to quarters anyway... > >But it made Tuvok look like he really didn't care that Janeway was twisting >StarFleet regs...he would rather be on duty... > exactly... on duty he can try and do something, off duty he can't. It's called "logical decision" >> >> >>> Survival Instinct: scene with Janeway (trashing Tuvok) and scene with >> the whole scene would not have happened, had Janeway taken his >> concerns seriously before... but his advice is just soooo pointless >> :-(( > >No...Janeway gave his advice about as much attention as she gives >Chakotay's...thus the reason for Chakotay's teasing... > Chucky basked in his winner-position and had to show Tuvok who is in favor with her and who can jump out an airlock... >> >> >As far as the security report scene goes, Janeway and Chakotay may have >> >realized Tuvok was jokingly chiding Janeway about leaving the ship open >like >> >that, and this *was* an example of Tuvok's driest wit: "There is a >*third* >> >page." >> > >> >> that was a desperate attempt to get her attention!!!!!!! > >Maybe, but by now, both of them should know better.... > but it was Tuvok, who was shown as unable to get it... >> >*If* Vger had ever shown any sort of continuity, then those eps may have >> >influenced Chakotay's opinion about the *morality* of the Memorial. >> > >> >> *if* he had an opinion in the first place... but with his indecision >> aobut whether to identify with the Maquis or with Starfleet in early >> seasons, I'm not so sure... > >Since you and I have such differing opinions on Resolutions, I know you >disagree, but he made it clear that his allegiance was to StarFleet until >they abandonned his home and family to the Cardassians. >He was always the person who had to loudly and completely uphold Janeway >(The Learning Curve, State of Flux) so the crews would integrate, and he >will be the person most called on the carpet if and when they return to the >AQ, IMO a reason why Chakotay is such a "yes man" now. > well... then why do you complyin about that?? :-) >> >Tuvok's teep abilities have been established. Chakotay's has not. <G> >> >> >> yep - though he has to step back and make room for Chucky often >> enough, so I'm really surprised they used him here... > >I'm not...that was a creative part to this ep (unlike Seven's "love" story) > and since when do they do creative stuff? >> who, OTOH, never cared what kind of consequences his personal private >> missions (like e.g. Initiations, Tattoo, Maneuvers) might have for his >> colleagues and the ship... > >Initiations and Tattoo were both freedom of religion isssues and cleared >with his captain ahead of time. yep, but was it necessary to risk ship's valuable resources (a shuttle) for his religious issues? What did his ancestors do before the invention of space flight?????? (Initiations) >As for Maneuvers, I agree with you (and he took his licks for it, just as >Tuvok did when he stole the folding space technology) > only Tuvok did not endanger anybody - and he did not use ship's valuable resources (the shuttle) for his *own* purposes... Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-10 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Fri, 9 Jun 2000 20:29:43 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" <dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: > >"Suzy" <suzy_j@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message >news:xI005.1902$ov1.121976@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... >> >> >all those here that make wooden jokes. I'm not the only one... > >Julianna, I have to answer you here because your original answer to my post >didn't appear on my server :-((( > >I guess I didn't understand that you were including them > oh! We were all addressed - I think > > >They are such a dark brown and full of warmth. > >Yes, and as a brown-eyed person whose aren't, I'm certainly qualified to >judge! > sorry to disagree - your eyes can't be anywhere *near* as cold as Beltran's!! >> Of course those dimples are worth the smile! >> >> >> >> >>Your opinion again, and someone else told me the exact same thing about >> Tim >> >>Russ, in fact, called it a "wolfish look", and called him rude. >> > >> >LOL! What kind of deranged person was that??????? > >LOL, it wasn't my experience, but it was that of a couple of different >people I was chatting with online. To each his own... > apparently RB-fans, since you are socializing in these circles... :-) > >Tim has about the >> >*most* expressive eyes I've seen! And he couldn't be rude if he wanted >> >to! He actually was not even really rude enough when playing the >> >Klingon on the DS9 ep... > >Haven't seen it, but once again, everyone has bad days here and there. > some more so than others... >> >*some* maybe, but she made it sound as if she were talking about >> >*everybody but* Beltran. After all, she used this attitude of his as >> >an explanation why *he* is hated, while others are not... > >Didn't see this, sorry :-( >But I do think he is the most open about his attitude toward many things, >opening himself up for a lot of the criticism that the rest of them just >don't admit to, and thus avoid. > *I* think that he's one of those most prone to whining about his situation on Voyager >> >I don't know, but he was exactly as I described him when *I* saw him. >> >Maybe there's two of him? An evil twin and a nice twin??? > >LOL...I'd LOVE to see RB do an evil Chakotay...he's great at it... (Suzy's >fav RB...El Diablo...) > well.. when he did the evil Chucky he had a good director... :-) >> > >> >>I saw a somewhat shy, >> > >> >shy????????? Beltran??????????????? > >Definitely...I was very surprised...nothing I had read about him indicated >that. > he's the most arrogant person I've met in my life! Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-10 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Fri, 9 Jun 2000 20:43:04 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" <dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: > >"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message >news:p5g2ks0tk64m2aaqkekdpios4k466pueuh@4ax.com... >> On Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:15:20 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" <dthartz@inwave.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> but a pretty lady *did* bother to talk to him :-) > >You are SO sweet Julianna:-))) >But, IMO, RB has been living and working in Hollywood for 20 years with >young, siliconed, collagened, perfect women. >One greying, 40 year old brunette, >(who would stand with her back to the wall if she ever met Steve so she >wouldn't wind up in his "heifer" category), >doesn't fall into the pretty lady standard. I was just another fan, and he >was equally charming to all of us. > I'm sure he saw it that way - and you don't look your age anyway. While he looks like 55+ >> >> indeed - though I have a pretty good idea what it will be... >> > >> >So do I, and I think they will be charmed and happy. >> > >> >> and if I were there I would be cringing all the time... > >Probably! But they'd compensate for ya! ( I certainly would!) > Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-10 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On 10 Jun 2000 02:23:47 GMT, juli17@aol.com (Juli17) wrote: >>>So talent is irrelevant. I'd argue that exposure on Voyager is also >>>irrelevant. Tim needs connections in the television industry. He's got them. >>>All he needs is a copy of "Meld" or "Riddles" or "Innocence" and someone to >>>show them to. >> >>but who would want to watch the work of a background cameo-guy????? > >Jeez. He wasn't a "background cameo guy" in any of the above mentioned >episodes. > but he has now been for two plus seasons... >>> Do you really think Picardo or Mulgrew will use dozens of >>>Voyager episodes to get them a job? I think it's much more likely that >>>they'll pick one or two stand-out episodes and use them as references. Tim's >>>got enough to do that, so he'll have no trouble whatsoever finding work. >> >>I just hope you are right, but after seeiing how everybody *but* Tim >>can have screentime on Voyager, and oodles of it, I am not >>convinced... >> > >Any director/casting person who is interested in even seeing an actor's work >from Voyager will want simply to see a sample or two. He (or she) will want to >watch at most a few minutes worth of material to judge the acting. Only >devoted Star Trek fans have the least interest in line counts, or how many >episodes a character was in per season, or any of that stuff. but in order to want to watch an actor's work they'd have to have heard of him. A screentime-less nobody is not somebody that gets mentioned anywhere. >The *only* actors who are going to get actual name recognition out of their >association with Voyager are Jeri Ryan and Kate Mulgrew. and the three Roberts... > Screentime isn't even >an issue when it comes to the rest of them. Or, more accurately it's an issue >to the fans as they watch Voyager, but it's not a real issue affecting their >future acting careers, since they all have enough episodes to cull good >material from to use for auditions. > >I can understand why you want to see Tuvok get more screentime, but I can't >understand you are so consumed with negativity about Tim's career when there's >little basis for it. Or at least no more basis than normal concern for the all >of the actors on Voyager who have to try and get jobs in a very competitive >field when they have no real name recognition (except, again, Ryan and >Mulgrew). Because I *see* that everybody else can have starring roles. Only Tim can't. Not ever. Not *one* regular on *any* of the three modern ST-series had not *one* starring part in the entire second half of their respective series' run. Even Cirroc Lofton had "Nor the Battle to the Strong" and "In the Cards". Only Tim has *none*. Every other VOY actor had at least *three* eps already since mid-season 4, most had 4 or more. Tim had none. He would need as many as *five* next year in order to catch up to their level of popularity and visibility, when the best he can hope for is another #2-part in a twohander... He is so far behind *everybody* by now, that you can't seriously believe he'll be seen as anywhere *near* the same category as the others. And by now it's *far* too late, he can't catch up anymore... Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-10 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (kemosabe@skyenet.net)


On 10 Jun 2000 03:05:17 GMT, juli17@aol.com (Juli17) wrote: |But the actors |willingly put up with that, generally with good humor, and they all seem to |enjoy themselves despite those moments. I give them all credit for the effort |they make for their fans. Masked Man---->Hear, hear! -- Who was that masked man?

2000-06-10 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Juli17" <juli17@aol.com> wrote in message news:20000609230517.00204.00000256@ng-fp1.aol.com... > >sorry - but you can say whatever you want about Tim - I only laugh at > >it, because I know what he's like. :-))))) > > > > That's exactly how fans who've met them feel about Robbie and Beltran. In > Beltran's case, especially once they've had the opportunity to talk to him one > on one. They are both very decent people, as decent as Tim. I've met everyone > now except Kate, and have no impression that any of them are anything but > normal, decent human beings--none of them complete saints, but human beings > with their own foibles. They allow themselves to be put on display and have to > deal with the rabidity of some fans (I've heard women make lewd suggestions to > Beltran on stage for instance, and watched one fan practically fainting while > telling Jeri Ryan over and over that how much he loved her). But the actors > willingly put up with that, generally with good humor, and they all seem to > enjoy themselves despite those moments. I give them all credit for the effort > they make for their fans. > Thank you Julie :-)

2000-06-10 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Suzy <suzy_j@worldnet.att.net>)


Julianna Feigl wrote in message <25j2ksoioj0bmivlnkvmi84i565576v8d4@4ax.com>... >On Fri, 09 Jun 2000 07:07:09 GMT, "Suzy" <suzy_j@worldnet.att.net> >wrote: > >> >>Julianna Feigl wrote in message >><7l00ks0qme6gq34r4s90f5vnh4ekoq36q7@4ax.com>... >>>On Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:34:28 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" <dthartz@inwave.com> >>>wrote: >>> > >>>>> >> >> I almost gotta wonder why people don't admire him more for having >>>>the >>>>> >guts >>>>> >> >to >>>>> >> >> say what everybody here thinks... >> >>Thats what I enjoy about RB he is vocal about the problems with Voyager. >>Gotta love someone who wants his character to tell Janeway to "park your ass >>in the chair and get this ship home!" :))) >> > >maybe if he actually bothered to *answer* questions that people ask >him... He did answer the question someone wanted to know if "Chak could tell Janeway one thing what would it be?" see above for his answer. > > >>>>> >> ><sigh> >>>>> >> and why do you think that is the case?? Maybe because he failed to >>>>> >> impress us right from the beginning????? >> >>I liked RB right from the start, but thought the character of Chakotay was >>just underused in the first few seasons. >> > >????? He was one of the most prominent characters in season 2!!!!!!! >(Initiations, Tattoo, Maneuvers, Resolutions...) Yes but it took an entire season for him to get any stories! Sorry I don't count Resolutions as *his* story was a Janeway ep IMHO. And as a said before I could not stand that ep. ( I know gf sorry about that!) >>>> >>>>Once again, your opinion. >>>>Lisa and I (and probably Therese) have seen quite a few of his films other >>>>than "Night of the Comet" (he's made 3 while on Voyager) and we would >>>>disagree. >> >>I have seen quite a few of his movies and have enjoyed most of them. I want >>to see his lastest film Luminaris, but its not playing in the Seattle area >>:((( > >If it helps: *I* haven't had a chance to see "East of Hope Street" >yet... Bummer > > >>>>> >Really? I dont agree at all, some of his scenes with Janeway are very >>>>> >tender and very caring. >>>>> >>>>> there is absolutely no warmth in that man and he has the *coldest* >>>>> eyes I've ever seen in my entire life. >> >>Wow I think he has the most beautiful eyes I have ever seen! (Ok RDM also >>has the bluest baby blue's). They are such a dark brown and full of warmth. >>Of course those dimples are worth the smile! >> >>>> > >we must be talking about two different guys... I wish one for me and one for Doreen :)))) > ><snip> > >>>>Suzy would tell you the same thing about Portland, only she would probably >>>>tell you that he answered every question humorously. >> >>Yes I would tell you he was a hoot at the Portland con this year! He was >>relaxed, answered all the questions was not rude. Gave each individual what >>ever time needed to ask a question and then repeated the question back to >>the individual. > >as I said before: there must be two of them, identical twins, only one >is nice and warm, the other one a rude jerk (and none can act...?) Ouch! :(((( >>>> >>> >>>nope. And his smile was not genuine. He had to look down every now and >>>then to relax his face muscles, then he composed his face into a smile >>>again and looked up... >> >>I have to disagree with you on this. Yes he looked down every now and then >>*so what*? I tend to look up and to the right when thinking of a answer to >>a question. Its a habit and does not mean you are rude, not genuine just >>means you like to think before you open your mouth to speak! >> > >no, it was not when he was thinking - it was for instance during the >pauses, when people were changing places in front of the microphone >etc. and he definitely relaxed his face muscles and made the false >smile disappear when looking down (they projected him on a video >screen, so that even those at the back could see him, so it was pretty >obvious), but composed himself and put the smile back in place before >looking up again... So he was suppose to stand up there with his best pageant smile the entire time??? I'm not sure what the problem was here? Because he didn't smile the entire time he used a false smile? > >>> >>>>> >> > The fact >>>>> >> >that he doesnt worship at the altar of Star Trek upsets a lot of >>>>people, >>>>> >but >>>>> >> >I would say he is probably more grounded than alot of the fans. >> >>I agree with this! >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> he doesn't have to worship at the altar of Star Trek, but he >>shouldn't >>>>> >> make it sound like everybody who watches Star Trek (for whichever >>>>> >> reason, among others, to see his work) is a nerd >> >>Ok maybe its hard for him to take the person dressed up like a Star Trek >>character seriously? > >what makes you think the people asking him questions *were* dressed >up????? > >> I know the Portland con was my very first Trek con and >>the Klingons threw me for a loop. :))) They were very nice and posed for a >>pic but, still I was thinking "ok lot of these folks looked liked they >>tripped in the 60's and were still tripping" LOL >>And this from a person who wanted to marry Cpt Kirk! (hey I was only 9). >> > >LOL! It is pretty usual to dress up for a convention. Many people do >it. it's like going to a party or another special occasion and wearing >the appropriate dress. Nothing stupid or "ungrounded" about it. Well I did not mind people dressing up and was impressed with some of the costumes. I just had never been to a trek con before so was sorta like a deer in headlights "caught of guard". Since RB had never been a trek fan maybe he was intimadated by the intensity of the Trek fans. > >>>>> > >>>>> >Does he? The tape I've seen shows nothing like this at all. >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> well, when I saw him that was exactly how he behaved... >>>> >>>>Well he's stated his feelings about the fans openly and often, and they >>are >>>>positive. >> >>He does go out of his way to be nice to the fans. At the Portland con >>signed a guys 2 pics even though it was a "one pic only" type of thing. >> > >well - he did not even bother to answer the fans' questions and just >joked around when I saw him some time back - though I hear he smiled >at everybody nicely during autograph session. Probably the same fake >smile he used during the guest talk.. Well if his smile is fake sure would like him to fake it at me <VBEG> > >>>then why does he treat them so poorly???? And not just the fans, I >>>might add. >> >>When did he treat his fans so poorly? >> > >when I saw him. About two years ago, slightly more. And I have heard >reports of other conventions he went to that were just as negative as >my impression... I had read reports of earlier cons of RB's and some were good and some were not so good. I think the entire trek fan was so new to him he was not comfortable with it. In the past 3 years have not read anything negative about him at one of his cons. I went to 2 and saw him with my own eyes and he was very nice and never rude or a jerk to anyone! > ><snip> >>>>> >> *some* fans might, but some others wouldn't, since not everybody is a >>>>> >> J/C-fan >> >>I'm a Chakotay fan but not a J/Cer!! I think Resolutions was terrible ep! > >cool!!!! Well my gf would think "hey thats not cool" LOL <clink> > >>I can't stand the stupid monkey ( sorry gf) >> > >now *that* was cute!!! The monkey was cute? LOL > ><snip> >>>>> he did nothing of the sort. He asked for coffee and refused to start >>>>> before somebody had brought him coffee - and he came on late already >>>>> anyway. Apparently it's impossible to set an alarm and start your job >>>>> on time... *I* should do that - my boss would get furious! >> >>Thats not fair we don't know the circumstances about getting to the con. > >we do. He was already there. He had been there the night before. He >stayed at the hotel. When did he get to the hotel was his flight on time? Last year it was delayed 3-4 hours so he was late getting to his first con appearance. And anyone who has jet lag can tell its not fun and no matter how much you sleep sometimes you sleep threw the alarm and 3 phone calls LOL (and I also did not hear my friend pounding on the door) > >>It >>may have been his fault or someone running the con that he started late. > >nope. His talk was the first event on the program on that day, nothing >was running late, everybody else was there (security people, MC, >technical personnel etc.), the mics were installed, the lights were >on, the only thing missing was RB - and he hadn't even had his >breakfast/coffee yet... > >>The con in Portland ran late so RB was on late. Do I blame him? No the >>live auction part took forever, I fault the people in charge of the con they >>should have allowed more time or had less items to auction off. >> > >that is an entirely different situation. When I saw him they had to >keep the audience calm and assure them that he'd be out in a minute. >There was nothing else going on. He just hadn't had his breakfast yet >and somebody tried to get him there and bring some coffee... Well since I live near Seattle I would not be able to start my day without my "tall, vanilla, non-fat, double latte" So I can relate to the *coffee* demand LOL > ><snip> >>> >>>I have never seen her, so I can't say anything good or bad about her. >>>What I have heard from others would be *their* impression. Beltran I >>>*have* seen and my impression was extremely negative... >> >>I have seen him twice and plan on seeing him again in OCT at the Galaxy >>Ball. It should be a lot of fun just like it was last year. >> > >if you say so... my impression of RB was of that kind that I'd avoid >him at all costs Yes I do *say* so! > > ><snip> >>> >>>>I saw a somewhat shy, >>> >>>shy????????? Beltran??????????????? >> >>Yes he was shy at the Ball Q and A, but once he was on a roll he was >>charming :) >>> > >there are two of them. There is no other explanation. Yes there is another explanation and that is "you are wrong" :) > >>>> charming man who loves his job, his co-workers, his >>>>character and particularly, being an actor. >>> >>>you forgot: "himself" >> >>You have to love yourself if you are an actor LOL >> > >not necessarily. Or do you think Jennifer Lien loves herself??? Must not cuz if she did she would be on Voyager still. > > >Julianna >-------- >Tuvok: >The main reason to watch Voyager! Suzy

2000-06-10 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Suzy <suzy_j@worldnet.att.net>)


Doreen Hartz wrote in message ... > >"Suzy" <suzy_j@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message >news:xI005.1902$ov1.121976@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... >> >> Julianna Feigl wrote in message >> <7l00ks0qme6gq34r4s90f5vnh4ekoq36q7@4ax.com>... >> >On Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:34:28 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" <dthartz@inwave.com> >> >wrote: >> > >> >> >> >>"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> >>news:q4btjs40tkjmmccstpihkkg4v3ib8a90jf@4ax.com... >> >>> On Wed, 07 Jun 2000 19:32:07 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >Julianna wrote >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> I almost gotta wonder why people don't admire him more for >having >> >>the >> >>> >guts >> >>> >> >to >> >>> >> >> say what everybody here thinks... >> >> Thats what I enjoy about RB he is vocal about the problems with Voyager. >> Gotta love someone who wants his character to tell Janeway to "park your >ass >> in the chair and get this ship home!" :))) > >LOL...not my attitude at all, but he's entitled! And Janeway would certainly >be enough to drive someone to it... Wish he would find that airlock button <VBEG> >> >>> >> ><sigh> >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> >Because everybody pegged him as a mediocre actor years ago >> >>> >> >> >>> >> and why do you think that is the case?? Maybe because he failed to >> >>> >> impress us right from the beginning????? >> >> I liked RB right from the start, but thought the character of Chakotay was >> just underused in the first few seasons. > >Chakotay and B'Elanna in Parallax were what convinced me that I was going to >like this show. Yes was a very nice ep for the two of them. > >> >> >>> > >> >>> >Maybe he didnt, but for others he did. Its just horses for course >> >>Julianna >> >>> >I'm afraid. >> >>> > >> >>> >> >>> maybe - but don't tell us that we didn't give him a chance. We >> >> >> >>You and who else Julianna? >> >> >> > >> >all those here that make wooden jokes. I'm not the only one... > >Julianna, I have to answer you here because your original answer to my post >didn't appear on my server :-((( > >I guess I didn't understand that you were including them > >> > >> >>did not >> >>> hate him from the beginning. It's just that he impressed most of us >> >>> *far* less than most others do. He *is* only mediocre compaired to >> >>> them. At best. >> >> >> >>Kind of like me and Jeri Ryan...when I get past her boobs, there's >nothing >> >>there...mediocre at best.... >> >> Jeri Ryan has boobs???? ;) >> I just thought she had saddlebags (meow) > >A meow right back at you gf ;) :) > >> >> >>But that would be my opinion, and I did try to give her a chance at >first, >> >>but seeing one lame scene after another means she has more boring >Voyager >> >>eps on my list than any other character, and she has certainly had a >> greater >> >>chance to impress me than all the other characters combined because >she's >> >>had more eps in 3 years than they have had in 6. >> >> I'm with you on this one gf! JR is boring and the *pink dress* is getting >> old! > >zzzzzzz....what do you call Mary Sue writing when a man does it??? Scoring a homerun? driving in a run when bases are loaded? Oh sorry was thinking of *thigh guy* ;) Maybe John Screw??? >> >well, Chucky had more than most others as well. Especially in season >> >2... >> > >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >and never bothers >> >>> >> >to really look and change their opinion of him. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> oh, rest assured, we *do* look. We *have* to. He is forced down our >> >>> >> throats often enough. The more I see him the less I am impressed... >> >>> >> The only thing he *can* do is aggression >> >> >> >>Once again, your opinion. >> >>Lisa and I (and probably Therese) have seen quite a few of his films >other >> >>than "Night of the Comet" (he's made 3 while on Voyager) and we would >> >>disagree. >> >> I have seen quite a few of his movies and have enjoyed most of them. I >want >> to see his lastest film Luminaris, but its not playing in the Seattle >area >> :((( > >Or in Chicago this year... Guess we will have to wait for the video :) >> >nothing he has done on Voyager would make me want to watch him if I >> >can avoid it. I'm not a masochist, after all >> >> >>> > >> >>> >Really? I dont agree at all, some of his scenes with Janeway are >very >> >>> >tender and very caring. >> >>> >> >>> there is absolutely no warmth in that man and he has the *coldest* >> >>> eyes I've ever seen in my entire life. >> >> Wow I think he has the most beautiful eyes I have ever seen! > >Agreed. > > (Ok RDM also >> has the bluest baby blue's). > >Yes, you did seem a little partial to those... I have never seen such blue eyes before and he was so tall LOL > > >They are such a dark brown and full of warmth. > >Yes, and as a brown-eyed person whose aren't, I'm certainly qualified to >judge! > >> Of course those dimples are worth the smile! >> >> >> >> >>Your opinion again, and someone else told me the exact same thing about >> Tim >> >>Russ, in fact, called it a "wolfish look", and called him rude. >> > >> >LOL! What kind of deranged person was that??????? > >LOL, it wasn't my experience, but it was that of a couple of different >people I was chatting with online. To each his own... > > >Tim has about the >> >*most* expressive eyes I've seen! And he couldn't be rude if he wanted >> >to! He actually was not even really rude enough when playing the >> >Klingon on the DS9 ep... I'm sure TR can be rude if he wanted to be. No one is *perfect* all the time! > >Haven't seen it, but once again, everyone has bad days here and there. > >> > >> >>His brown eyes were warm and laughing when I saw RB. >> >> >> > >> >his eyes never laugh. Ask Jup, she has the same impression. It's not >> >just me! >> >> Well his eyes laughed at the Ball and at the Portland con so have to >> disagree with you on this one! >> >> >>> >> >>> > As for being forced down our throats you are >> >>> >obviously watching a different show to me. >> >>> > >> >>> >> >>> didn't you see the list of heavy parts I posted somewhere else? >> >> >> >>LOL...I answered them, and Tim had as much as RB this season. >> >> >> > >> >nowhere close... > ><G> too bad those line counts won't appear tomorrow! Dang well be interesting to see what the line counts will be <G> > >> > >> > >> ><snip> snip >> >>When I saw RB, he answered every question, and kindly. >> > >> >he did nothing of that sort when *I* met him... in fact he talked a >> >lot but didn't really *say* anything... > >That was Jason Carter at the Q and A I was at...but he was very >entertaining! Yes will always snicker when eating cheese cake LOL > >> > >> >>Suzy would tell you the same thing about Portland, only she would >probably >> >>tell you that he answered every question humorously. >> >> Yes I would tell you he was a hoot at the Portland con this year! He was >> relaxed, answered all the questions was not rude. Gave each individual >what >> ever time needed to ask a question and then repeated the question back to >> the individual. >> >> >> > >> >nope. And his smile was not genuine. He had to look down every now and >> >then to relax his face muscles, then he composed his face into a smile >> >again and looked up... >> >> I have to disagree with you on this. Yes he looked down every now and >then >> *so what*? I tend to look up and to the right when thinking of a answer >to >> a question. Its a habit and does not mean you are rude, not genuine just >> means you like to think before you open your mouth to speak! > >LOL, my students can imitate me doing mine (it's such a lovely feeling...) Would love to see that D!!! LOL > >> >> > >> >>> >> > The fact >> >>> >> >that he doesnt worship at the altar of Star Trek upsets a lot of >> >>people, >> >>> >but >> >>> >> >I would say he is probably more grounded than alot of the fans. >> >> I agree with this! >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> he doesn't have to worship at the altar of Star Trek, but he >> shouldn't >> >>> >> make it sound like everybody who watches Star Trek (for whichever >> >>> >> reason, among others, to see his work) is a nerd >> >> Ok maybe its hard for him to take the person dressed up like a Star Trek >> character seriously? I know the Portland con was my very first Trek con >and >> the Klingons threw me for a loop. :))) They were very nice and posed for >a >> pic but, still I was thinking "ok lot of these folks looked liked they >> tripped in the 60's and were still tripping" LOL > >LOL, and do we have proof that they weren't?? Nope that was my point think they were still are "boldly going to places no man has gone before" LOL > >> And this from a person who wanted to marry Cpt Kirk! (hey I was only 9). > >LOL...me too, and I was only 10... >Hey, maybe that's the audience they are aiming for with Seven (meow) Well if her shirt starts getting ripped off we will know what audience they are aiming for! Hey wait she is already wearing a *very tight* cat suit so guess we are not the targeted audience! (meooowww) snip >> > >> >>> >> >I mean he could stand there and say he has been desperate for J/C >to >> >>kiss >> >>> >> >for years and begged the producers to do it and the fans would >love >> >>that >> >>> >> >> >>> >> *some* fans might, but some others wouldn't, since not everybody is >a >> >>> >> J/C-fan >> >> I'm a Chakotay fan but not a J/Cer!! I think Resolutions was terrible >ep! >> I can't stand the stupid monkey ( sorry gf) > >LOL Suzy...I know you dislike Janeway, but remember Suzy Q called her a >*dog* <VBEG> Yes one of my all time favorite lines in Q and the Gray LOL And the *dog* was so much cuter then her :) > >> >> >>> > >> >>> >Considering that most of his fans, myself *not* included, tend to be >> >>J/Cers. >> >>> > >> >>> >> >>> *some* - not all >> >> As I said before Not me :))) > >Me:-) (when Janeway is a rational, compassionate human being) Ok but this season has not been her best :((( > > >> >> >> >> >>But alot, and my perception of J/C is different from RB's, and that's my >> >>right too...doesn't make his viewpoint belittle mine. He saw J/C as >> >>one-sided from only Chak, and I did not. >> >> I agreed with RB on this one it was all one-sided IMHO. And this season >> Janeway has been a cold fish ;) > >Agreed, definitely not Janeway's (or Mulgrew's) best... clink > >> >> > snip >> >> I've heard some really interesting Jeri Ryan stories and noone's >bashing >> >>her here for being demanding. >> >> I have heard the same story about JR LOL >> >> > >> >I have never seen her, so I can't say anything good or bad about her. I hope she is at the GB but if Kate is coming again guess JR will be a "no show" :((( >LOL, I guess I'll reserve my actual opinion until I do. > >> >What I have heard from others would be *their* impression. Beltran I >> >*have* seen and my impression was extremely negative... >> >> I have seen him twice and plan on seeing him again in OCT at the Galaxy >> Ball. It should be a lot of fun just like it was last year. > >Can't wait...got the champagne ready to go now... Can we say "YAHOO"??? > >> >> >>> >> >>> perhaps not everybody is the most avid Beltran fan and reads >> >>> everything available on him in every mag and on the net. If he goes to >> >>> a convention he must expect to meet people that are here just out of >> >>> curiosity, to see what he is like, and that have *not* studied up on >> >>> him. He owes them the explanation that some topics are off limits. But >> >>> since it's a bad thing to prepare a little speech for the start of a >> >>> guest talk he can't do than and people who have no way of knowing that >> >>> this is a sensitive topic will be targeted by his wrath... When I saw RB in Portland he did ask the audience how many people had seen him before. Then he said ok I have a few topics I will not answer questions on they are the following: religion, politics and can't remember the last topic. So no one asked any of those questions. The only time he corrected anyone was when someone said "hi Bob my question is..." and he said "my name is Robert, not Bob. Its Bob, Robbie and I'm Robert". The person went "oh ok Robert my ..." He said thank you so the person was not "targeted by his wrath" So perhaps he has learned a few lessons since the con you saw him at. >> >> >> >>Sorry, never saw any, and people asked him about just about everything. >> >>I'm sorry that your experience was negative, but mine was completely >> >>positive and surprising, because people bash RB for things that he just >> >>isn't. He doesn't take the time to correct it so maybe that's how these >> >>impressions get started. >> > >> >I don't know, but he was exactly as I described him when *I* saw him. >> >Maybe there's two of him? An evil twin and a nice twin??? > >LOL...I'd LOVE to see RB do an evil Chakotay...he's great at it... (Suzy's >fav RB...El Diablo...) Spoiled by Spare Spurs LOL >> > >> >>I saw a somewhat shy, >> > >> >shy????????? Beltran??????????????? > >Definitely...I was very surprised...nothing I had read about him indicated >that. > >> >> Yes he was shy at the Ball Q and A, but once he was on a roll he was >> charming :) > >Agreed see below (jinx) > >> > >> >> charming man who loves his job, his co-workers, his >> >>character and particularly, being an actor. >> > >> >you forgot: "himself" >> >> You have to love yourself if you are an actor LOL > >LOL, how true! Yes just look at how much JR loves herself (oops) I mean how much Bragga loves her acting abilites or atributes! (ok big MEOW) LOL > >> >> > >> >> He was sensitive to his fans >> >>and enjoyed interacting with us, in fact seemed to be relaxed and >> energised >> >>by it. >> >>I hope Lisa, Allie, and Therese have the same kind of experience. >> >> I know they will have a lot of fun! I know Doreen and I will be clinking >> our wine glasses to Lisa, Allie and Therese on Saturday night!!! > >We certainly will!! <clink, in advance> Clink right back at ya GF!!!! > >> >> >> > >> >I don't have much hope for them, though.. >> > >> >Julianna > >That's ok Julianna, you know me and my hope :-)) I've got enough of it for >them! Me to!!! > >> >> >> Suzy (clink gf) >> >> >Doreen (clink gf) Suzy

2000-06-10 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:18:04 -0400, "Laura" <laware@strato.net> wrote: ><snip> > > >> >technical and practical knowledge about weapons. >> >> he just stores them inefficiently... > >Only in Seven's opinion - and she's not perfect! (Sorry, Steve) > but he seemed to agree - at least he promised he'd look into it! ><snip> >> >> >> >> actually the head of Security should be better able to protect himself >> >> and defend himself...> > > >Not if he is responsible for others' safety....he might choose to let >himself be injured to prevent injury to others. Like the Secret Service >here in the US. > yeah - but do they get injured *every* single time they are sent out on a mission??????? >> >When has he been injured due to incompetance? Most of the time he gets >hurt, >> >it's either not his fault (eg space sickness) or he's putting himself in >> >harm's way to save others (eg "Tsunkatse" or "Year of Hell"). >> > >> >> What about "Haunting"? Shouldn't he have realized that that thing was >> about to blow? > >Why? > because as chief of security he should know what precautions to take with the shipboard equipment? ><snip> > >> >> but who would want to watch the work of a background cameo-guy????? > >But he isn't. Don't you see the credits, Julianna? He is listed as one of >the stars. You cannot convince me he will be considered anything but. nobody has seen him in*years*. Nobody has heard of him in *years*, since he hasn't done anything in *years*... Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-10 00:00:00 - Re: Spoilers for Unimatrix Zero 2 (wasRe: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Fri, 9 Jun 2000 19:09:19 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" <dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: > >"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message >news:qpqvjsgls3kv2donj7ofk8con33fom0qls@4ax.com... >> On Thu, 08 Jun 2000 07:07:41 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >> >> >Ronda wrote >> >S >> >P >> >O >> >I >> >L >> >E >> >R >> > >> >S >> >P >> >A >> >C >> > >> >A >> >N >> >D >> >A >> >B >> >I >> >T >> >M >> >O >> >R >> >E >> > >> >> Jeez, does that sound disgusting, or what??????? >> >> Julianna >> -------- >> Tuvok: >> The main reason to watch Voyager! > >LOL Julianna, I might even enjoy Seven for 30 seconds if this were remotely >true, but it isn't. > I hope to God it isn'T!!!!!! That would be absolutely the *end* of Voyager!!!!!!!!! Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-10 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (juli17@aol.com)


>>So talent is irrelevant. I'd argue that exposure on Voyager is also >>irrelevant. Tim needs connections in the television industry. He's got them. >>All he needs is a copy of "Meld" or "Riddles" or "Innocence" and someone to >>show them to. > >but who would want to watch the work of a background cameo-guy????? Jeez. He wasn't a "background cameo guy" in any of the above mentioned episodes. >> Do you really think Picardo or Mulgrew will use dozens of >>Voyager episodes to get them a job? I think it's much more likely that >>they'll pick one or two stand-out episodes and use them as references. Tim's >>got enough to do that, so he'll have no trouble whatsoever finding work. > >I just hope you are right, but after seeiing how everybody *but* Tim >can have screentime on Voyager, and oodles of it, I am not >convinced... > Any director/casting person who is interested in even seeing an actor's work from Voyager will want simply to see a sample or two. He (or she) will want to watch at most a few minutes worth of material to judge the acting. Only devoted Star Trek fans have the least interest in line counts, or how many episodes a character was in per season, or any of that stuff. The *only* actors who are going to get actual name recognition out of their association with Voyager are Jeri Ryan and Kate Mulgrew. Screentime isn't even an issue when it comes to the rest of them. Or, more accurately it's an issue to the fans as they watch Voyager, but it's not a real issue affecting their future acting careers, since they all have enough episodes to cull good material from to use for auditions. I can understand why you want to see Tuvok get more screentime, but I can't understand you are so consumed with negativity about Tim's career when there's little basis for it. Or at least no more basis than normal concern for the all of the actors on Voyager who have to try and get jobs in a very competitive field when they have no real name recognition (except, again, Ryan and Mulgrew). Julie

2000-06-10 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (juli17@aol.com)


>sorry - but you can say whatever you want about Tim - I only laugh at >it, because I know what he's like. :-))))) > That's exactly how fans who've met them feel about Robbie and Beltran. In Beltran's case, especially once they've had the opportunity to talk to him one on one. They are both very decent people, as decent as Tim. I've met everyone now except Kate, and have no impression that any of them are anything but normal, decent human beings--none of them complete saints, but human beings with their own foibles. They allow themselves to be put on display and have to deal with the rabidity of some fans (I've heard women make lewd suggestions to Beltran on stage for instance, and watched one fan practically fainting while telling Jeri Ryan over and over that how much he loved her). But the actors willingly put up with that, generally with good humor, and they all seem to enjoy themselves despite those moments. I give them all credit for the effort they make for their fans. Julie

2000-06-10 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (evilklowwn@aol.comedy)


Doreen doth write thus: >> >but none of it was done from Chakotay's >> >past experiences...he's been Ransom and had a chance at redemption. >> >> As if the writers even still had a glimmering of who the Maquis were..... > >I thought that was the point of Resolutions, and a part of Hunters, and >Extreme Risk, so you would think that they had a clue... As someone else said just a few days ago, the writers couldn't get a clue if it were clue mating season, and they were turned loose in a field full of clues, doused in clue musk. >> >May I point out that Tuvok also had a supporting part, and she doesn't >> >confine him to quarters for opposing her. >> She *needed* Tuvok at Weapons. As silly as her so-called strayegy was, >having >> her most skilled Tac officer on hand was essential. > >Yes, but it made Tuvok look like he had no guts and Janeway like Captain >Bligh. Logically, he could do more on the Bridge than in his quarters. >> A true rarity; we see Starfleet Security actually hitting their targets; >these >> are Tuvok's people. > >No disagreement here...I love it when we get to see the people doing their >jobs who should be doing them. And when they show the kind of competency we'd *expect* of senior officers, that's icing on the cake. <G> >> As far as the security report scene goes, Janeway and Chakotay may have >> realized Tuvok was jokingly chiding Janeway about leaving the ship open >like >> that, and this *was* an example of Tuvok's driest wit: "There is a *third* >> page." > >LOL, so do I, which is why I liked the humor between the three of them. > >> >> >> Barge of the Dead - several minutes of screentime >> > >> >Yes, very good B/Chak but Tuvok also had good screentime, including the >> >batleth scene. >> >> That scene was the *only* redeemable element of the story. > >Sorry, I liked it alot, but B'Elanna is by far my fav female on the series >and I like stories about people challenging their beliefs. I like B'Elanna and stories about people confronting their beliefs, too, but this was so muddled and jerky it looked like they were just making it up as they went along, like a bad "X-Files" ep, instead of any kind of thought-out, *consistent* belief system. >> No, that was Janeway's job: *she* found Seven reviving the >A'aaaardv'arrrc, and >> *she* was commanding the Bye Bye Team. > >Agreed, but we are slapped in the face all the time with how *brilliant* >Seven is, and how she can do all of the crew's jobs with one hand tied >behind her back, and she has the knowledge of hundreds of assimilated >StarFleet personnel and she doesn't remember that she would need to be >ordered to open that pod on the away team?? >I could buy that her superiority complex would think she knew better than >Janeway, but that's not the angle they went for. I agree Seven went WAY out of bounds to open the pod; my point was that it was *Janeway's* job to read her the riot act over it, not Tuvok's. >> >> One Small Step: *Big* part >> >No way would the spiritual Chakotay of Season 2, who values the lives of >his >> >crewmen, endanger the lives of Tantrum-throwing Seven >> >> To be fair, *someone* needed to show some signs of survival instinct, and >that >> is in character for Seven. Between the fact that Chuckles disobeyed a >direct >> order from Janeway *and* Starfleet recognizes attempted suicide as a valid >> reason to relieve someone of command (TOS "Doomsday Machine"), Chuckles >got off >> lucky. > >I don't disagree with you either...what I disliked was the characterization >of Chakotay. His actions in this ep didn't fit with any of them previously >established for his character, so they were just plugging him in to fit the >story. In other words, TPTB are treating him like any other Vger character. <G> >> >or Paris, to satisfy >> >his own curiosity. >> >Here's Chakotay's lame-ass injury (like Tuvok's in Tsunkatse) so >> >Wonder-Woman Seven can yet again save the day...UGH...Season 2 Chakotay >> >would have belted her for her attitude to him in the Delta Flyer and told >> >Janeway to stuff it. >> >> I don't remember any such militant suicidal tendencies on anyone's part in >> earlier seasons, aside from Cap'n ate treating her whole crew like >disposable >> redshirts. <G> > >LOL....<G> >Chakotay decking his crewman in The Learning Curve, and the Maquis Captain >who arrived on Voyager wouldn't have given a *hit about Seven's *superior* >anything, just like he didn't with either Janeway or Paris. >He could have solved the problem by hitting the airlock and sending her into >the Nebula..."oops!" (would have worked for me...) And then who would have fixed the damage Chakotay had caused?? It looked like Seven had too much work to do already while Chuckles was nagging her for an itemized list of just how badly he'd screwed up. >> >> Tsunkatse: Captain Chucky >> > >> >Yes, who needed the Delta Flyer to land the final blow for him (weakest >part >> >of this ep IMO) >> >> They've established in several eps that the battle cruiser Delta Crasher >was >> much tougher and heavier armed than Voyager. > >I'll take your word for it, since I don't pay much attention to those kinds >of things:-) I don't recall any weapon reducing the Delta Crasher's shields to 64% on the *first* volley. <G> >> >> Child's Play: not all that much >> > >> >Thank goodness...this was just a hideous episode, contrary to everything >> >that his good about Trek, IMO. At least Tuvok was on the away team. >> >> This one was okay- it could have been *great,* if not for the knee-jerk pc >> balderdash at the end. > >It had it's moments, but as a parent, I dispised this episode. Nothing like >Voyager's warped attitude toward marriage and family to warm up to here... That was kind of my point; there were indications Icheb's parents loved him as much as any family. The idea of a world *so* desperate that they'll engineer their children as weapons deserved better than a Janeway ex machina "You can't use *my* pet Borglet to defend your world from a horrible menace!!" >> >> Fury: Chucky in action >> > >> >Agreed...good scenes and Chakotay was a good commander, >> >> And even a good actor, during the Vidiian attack. > ><G> >> >> >BUT Tuvok was once >> >again in the loop and Chakotay out of it. He had no clue what would >happen >> >when Kes appeared and Tuvok did. Great interaction between Janeway and >> >Tuvok. >> >> In the military, there's a thing called "need to know," when deciding how >far >> to disseminate confidential information. > >Agreed, but over the course of 3 years and countless dinners, you think she >might have mentioned it, just in case one of those away missions she and >Tuvok take resulted in both of them being toasted.... No doubt it's in her secret files to be released to Chakotay if she dies (again). It brings him up to speed on the Kes recording, the child-porn ring Neelix is running, the fact that Harry is really Section 31, etc. >> >> Unimatrix Zero: ensemble player >> > >> >Yes, but he's damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't....he agrees >with >> >Janeway and he looks like a weakling. If he were the objector, he'd be >used >> >again to point out the line of action janeway rejected. >> >> Part and parcel of the "Janeway can do no wrong" attitude of TPTB. > >Yes, very stereotyped viewpoint of women in authority. Or simply bad writing: the perfect, innerrant, predictably right superhero. >> The man who wanted to throw away three lives to retrieve a piece of >debris, and >> who simply couldn't grok why his crew wasn't as ready and eager to die as >he >> was. >> >Exactly, hence my problem with it. >The man who questioned Janeway in Resolutions and Night, blew the Borg into >space in Scorpion, and provided and alternative plan in Equinox 2, didn't >seem have that careless view of his crew. Even I liked Chakotay in "Scorpion." ***************************************** "Insanity is a part of the times, Vir: You must learn to *embrace* the madness!!" Londo Mollari

2000-06-10 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - ("David B." <bothecat@hotmail.com>)


Brian Barjenbruch wrote: > > > the fact that Harry is really Section 31 > > You never know...he could be. Could be. No one would expect a green Ensign to be a Section 31 operative.

2000-06-10 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (--- <anonymous@myserver.org>)


Hey - this has real possibilities. If not Kim, then someone on the ship! "Brian Barjenbruch" <brianb1@home.com> wrote in message news:100620000022439700%brianb1@home.com... > > the fact that Harry is really Section 31 > > You never know...he could be. > > -- > "Its origin and purpose, still a total mystery." > - Dr. Heywood Floyd, "2001: A Space Odyssey"

2000-06-12 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Doreen Hartz <dthartz@inwave.com>)


"Zabana Brandon" <zabana@collegetoday.com> wrote in message news:39456019.C425648F@collegetoday.com... > Doreen Hartz wrote: > > > "Slam Dance" (a hideous film with Virginia > > Madsen, he played a cop Frank) > > <Johnny Carson> > I did not know that. > </Johnny Carson> LOL...I love it!! > > He must've been quite happy to work with > Virgina Madsen on "Unforgettable." <g> I'm sure he was...RB seems to really like her. I'd have preferred this story with another actress, and MAYBE I'd have enjoyed it... Doreen

2000-06-12 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Starfish <starfish-sc@gmx.de>)


Julianna Feigl schrieb: > On Fri, 09 Jun 2000 08:57:32 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: > >Julianna wrote > > > >Jules, I'm gonna try and reply to all of this in one post as I dont have > >much time at the moment to reply to everything individually. > > > >FWIW, you and I are always going to have different opinions on RB/Chucky and > >we have to respect that. I dont disagree with what you saw at the > >convention because obviously I wasnt there, but neither can I ignore what > >Doreen, Suzy, Therese, Juli and others have said as they have all met him > >too and their opinions are the complete antithesis of yours. > > I'm not the only one who had that kind of a negative impression and it > was not just this one convention. There have been several con reports > online over the past few years that are pretty identical to my > experiences. BUT there have been a LOT more positive than negative con reports. <snip> > > You think a lot of Tim and that is great, but there are people who dont > >feel the way that you do and as Doreen I think pointed out she has heard > >some negative things about him, I also have spoken to a couple of people who > >were less than impressed with him, which is something I have never mentioned > >before and something I dont intend to drag into this ng out of respect for > >your feelings, perhaps you could extend this courtesy to others as well? > > sorry - but you can say whatever you want about Tim - I only laugh at > it, because I know what he's like. :-))))) Why do you know what Tim's like, but insist that people who are as close to RB as you are to Tim don't know what Robert is like? <snip> da Starfish

2000-06-12 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Michele <belanna@uswest.net>)


Steve Christianson wrote: > > X-No-Archive: yes > > Michele wrote: > > > > "David B." wrote: > > > > > > Bozo the Evil Klown wrote: > > > > > > > > Michele doth write thus: > > > > > > > > >Also RDM has said in several interviews that , most of the > > > > >time casting people do not know what star trek is or that > > > > >he is even on it. He has been confronted with that a few > > > > >times. He has been asked several times when he has been on > > > > >auditions "what have you done for 6 years" > > > > > > > > The casting people might be pulling RDM's leg a little bit. They may well not > > > > know what he's been doing on Vger, but it's simply not credible that someone > > > > *in the industry* could never have heard of "Star Trek" at all. > > > > > > That could be but if you've ever watched the Jaywalking segment on "The > > > Tonight Show" then you know that there are a lot of morons out there... > > > > You mean that is not faked. Oh god, now i am afraid. :runs > > to steve protect me steve: :) > > [comfort] :-) Aww i feel so comforted, I think i will stay. :) -- Michele "take the cheese to sickbay" B'elanna What is the phrase heard most often in Voyager's Mess Hall? "Medical Emergency!!!" What did the blonde Klingon say? It was a good day to dye.

2000-06-12 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com>)


Doreen Hartz wrote: > "Slam Dance" (a hideous film with Virginia > Madsen, he played a cop Frank) <Johnny Carson> I did not know that. </Johnny Carson> He must've been quite happy to work with Virgina Madsen on "Unforgettable." <g>

2000-06-12 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Doreen Hartz <dthartz@inwave.com>)


"Steve Christianson" <stevechristianson@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3943D668.7D8C@yahoo.com... > X-No-Archive: yes > > > > Doreen Hartz wrote: > > > > Doreen > > (I tried drowning my cold in pinot noir...hasn't worked so far) > > > Try brandy or your other hard liquor of choice and the hottest, spiciest > Chinese food you can order. It sounds weird but it works, trust me. Thanks Steve!! I will definitely give this a go, and let you know what I think.... And it gets my vote for one of the more interesting home remedies that I've seen. Doreen

2000-06-12 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Doreen Hartz <dthartz@inwave.com>)


"Steve Christianson" <stevechristianson@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3943E0F0.5B07@yahoo.com... > X-No-Archive: yes > > > > Julianna Feigl wrote: > > > > On 10 Jun 2000 23:23:49 GMT, evilklowwn@aol.comedy (Bozo the Evil > > Klown) wrote: > > > > >>>>The *only* actors who are going to get actual name recognition out of their > > >>>>association with Voyager are Jeri Ryan and Kate Mulgrew. > > >>> > > >>>and the three Roberts... > > >>> > > >> > > >>No way. No how. The average person (or average director who doesn't closely > > >>watch Voyager, as most don't) has no idea who Robert Duncan McNeill is, or > > >>Robert Beltran, or in most cases Robert Picardo. > > > > > >I must disagree: Picardo was a semi-regular on a popular shitcom ("Home > > >Improvement") for a while, and so already had *some* recognition level before > > >"Voyager." > > > > Yep. And Beltran is one of the most visible latino actors around > > > He is??? Since when? Other than Night of the Comet and Eating Raoul, > what has he done that anyone in the general public might have heard of? Depends on the general public Steve... Julianna did say latino actor, and that's certainly true. Here's what I remember (and I'm not including all of them I'm sure <g>) He made the following films which have stories taking place in Latin American countries or communities: 1980's: "Latino", (about the war in central America) "Gaby: A True Story" (takes place in South America) "La Pastorela" (with Linda Ronstadt, usually aired on Spanish channels at Christmas time) 1990's: "Kiss Me A Killer", (L.A.) "To Die Standing" (plays a Peruvian cop, with Cliff deYoung) "El Diablo (for HBO), (western with Louis Gossett Jr. and Anthony Edwards) "Managua", (about CIA involvement in Nicaragua, with Louis Gossett Jr, John Savage) a cameo in "How Else am I supposed to I'm Alive", and currently in theaters (and with an primarily latino cast and funded by the latino community), "Luminarias". Other Roles as a latino: 1980's: "Zoot Suit" (Lowrider) "Lone Wof McQuade" (with Chuck Norris, played Kayo) "Scenes from the Class Struggle in Beverly Hills" (with Ed Begley Jr, played Juan the houseboy) "Slam Dance" (a hideous film with Virginia Madsen, he played a cop Frank) 1990's: "Bugsy" (played Alejandro) "Nixon" (Frank Stugis...you blink you missed him) Television episodes include: the outstanding Midnight Caller episode "Life WIthout Possibilities" where he plays a dying latino prison leader; Miami Vice "FreeFall" which usually gets his fans' votes for RB's sexiest kissing scene, TV movie "Rio Shannon" (with Blair Brown...one sexy bad guy Tito Carson), HBO's "State of Emergency" (played Raoul Hernandez, with Joe Mantenega) Other roles: TV mini-series "Mystic Warrior" (Ahbleza) "Shadow Hunter" (played reservation cop Frank Totsoni, with Scott Glenn and Benjamin Bratt) He is also one of the directors of an East L.A. Theatre Group. So yes, I would say RB is fairly well-known as a latino actor. This is probably more than you wanted to know, huh Steve, but I would think it is more common knowledge in certain circles. Doreen (who hopes RB gets residuals for "Night of the Comet" because it probably is his most-often-shown film)

2000-06-12 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Doreen Hartz <dthartz@inwave.com>)


"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:mbl7ks85tuti3nhaagt63smh2225otb8df@4ax.com... > On Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:37:10 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" > <dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: > > > > >"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message > >news:d6d4kso87dc9e12ia3c35m3he75hhmt67e@4ax.com... > >> On Fri, 9 Jun 2000 20:43:04 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" <dthartz@inwave.com> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> I'm sure he saw it that way - and you don't look your age anyway. > > > >Julianna... > > > >Thanks again!! Every teacher who feels 100 in June needs to hear that! > > > > :-) it's my pleasure and it is the truth! Looking forward to meeting you Julianna! > > >> While he looks like 55+ > > > >Then I'll be happy with the 50's!! > >I thought he looked much younger in person, and like Picardo, his skin was > >so much prettier. > > > > IMO he looks like 20 older than TR... TR does look younger in person too, but I think he comes off better onscreen in terms of how old he looks, than either Picardo or RB. > > >But once again, it's all a matter of perception...Someone I was chatting > >with last night was astounded Jeri Ryan was only 31 or 32, and asked if she > >had had a face lift.....LOL, not my perception at all! > > > > well.. her angular face is not all *that* pretty... I think that both Roxann Dawson (just in general) and Kate Mulgrew (when she is smiling) are prettier. Jeri Ryan is a beautiful woman, but she doesn't look particularly young onscreen...Roxann looks younger... Doreen

2000-06-12 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (evilklowwn@aol.comedy)


Bob doth write thus: >> >It's too bad you guys don't get THIS HOUR HAS >> >22 MINUTES down there. Well ... when one of >> >their "newspeople" isn't managing to make a >> >potential U.S. president candidate make him- >> >self look like a complete boob. :) >> > > >unfortunately for both countries, that has been astoundingly easy to do for >last >few decades. So easy, the candidates do it *themselves,* to save us the trouble!! ***************************************** "Insanity is a part of the times, Vir: You must learn to *embrace* the madness!!" Londo Mollari

2000-06-12 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (kemosabe@skyenet.net)


On 12 Jun 2000 05:00:21 GMT, evilklowwn@aol.comedy (Bozo the Evil Klown) wrote: |We get "The Daily Show" on Comedy Central- just about the only thing watchable |on CC. Masked Man----->Which must mean "The Tick" is no longer on.... SPO-O-ON!! -- Who was that masked man?

2000-06-12 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Helen & Bob <chil-out@ix.netcom.com>)


Bozo the Evil Klown wrote: > >> > probably, i have seen that. Boy people are stupid arent > >> > they. They don't even know the simpliest answers. > >> > >> Yeah, I know. But these people do know all about pop culture. They get > >> those right. They know tv commercials but don't even know who the > >> President of the US is. > > > >It's too bad you guys don't get THIS HOUR HAS > >22 MINUTES down there. Well ... when one of > >their "newspeople" isn't managing to make a > >potential U.S. president candidate make him- > >self look like a complete boob. :) > > unfortunately for both countries, that has been astoundingly easy to do for last few decades. Bob

2000-06-12 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On 11 Jun 2000 22:42:03 GMT, juli17@aol.com (Juli17) wrote: >>>> Yep. And Beltran is one of the most visible latino actors around >>> >>> >>>He is??? Since when? Other than Night of the Comet and Eating Raoul, >>>what has he done that anyone in the general public might have heard of? >>> >> >>how many other latino actors do you see on a weekly basis on a TV >>show? For 7 years in a row????? >> > > >True, but how many Asians, or even blacks do you see on a TV show on a weekly >basis for 7 years? Blacks a lot more than Asians and latinos combined... > I take it this makes Tim Russ and Garrett Wang pretty >visible too. Garrett *maybe* - since that's also what got him the vote for one of the 50 most attractive people in People magazine a couple of years back. Plus he stars in "Timeless", one of the best eps of VOY ever. That *may* help him. >OTOH how many actors period get to be seen on a weekly basis on a >TV show for seven years in a row, no matter what their race? if only they *were+ seen... >There's also a >big difference between being seen on a fairly low-rated show like Voyager for >seven years, versus a show like ER, again regardless of race. > but being shoved further and further into the background on a low-rated show like Voyager is *the pits* >>>> and >>>> RDM is the #2 male star and looks like a WASP poster boy >>> >>> >>>I don't know about the #2 ranking, but agreed on the WASP comment. >>> >> >>definitely - wait till Zabby has finished his line counts for this >>season... >> >>> >>>> and people >>>> know that the teenage girls won't miss a chance to watch *anything* >>>> with him... >>> >>> >>>Now now Jules, play nice. <g> >> >>he *is* the type the young girls will fall for - or so Hollywood >>thinks ... > >Though, interestingly, most of his fans are not teenagers. And many of his >fans do not like him simply because they lust after him; in fact they admire >him all the more for his devotion to his family. > and here I thought you'd say because of his acting talent... at least you are honest... Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-12 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Sun, 11 Jun 2000 23:25:16 GMT, rorob@ipa.net (Robert M.) wrote: >On Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:02:28 GMT, Julianna Feigl ><glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote: > >>how many other latino actors do you see on a weekly basis on a TV >>show? For 7 years in a row????? >> >How about Hector Elizando? He`s been on Chicago Hope for the last 6 >years now and doing who knows what else (voiceovers, movie roles, >whatnot). okay: that makes it two of them.. Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-12 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Sun, 11 Jun 2000 23:27:49 GMT, Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com> wrote: >Julianna Feigl wroteded: > >> > I don't know about the #2 ranking, but agreed >> > on the WASP comment. >> > >> >> definitely - wait till Zabby has finished his >> line counts for this season... > >EGAD!!!! > >THE PRESSURE!!!!!! > > >(runs screaming out of the room ...) :-) I'm sure you'll do fine :-) Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-13 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - ("EvilBill[AGQx]" <evilbill25NOSPAM@freeuk.com>)


"Therese Gray" <tgray@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message > The message <O9w15.2088$LP4.364458@nnrp4.clara.net> > from "EvilBill[AGQx]" <evilbill25NOSPAM@freeuk.com> contains these words: > > > Why can't womens' hearts flutter when they think of me? *sniffle* > > I thought you looked perfectly okay when I saw your pic, if - perhaps > (?!?!?!?) - a little young for me. > > <VBEG> > Hmmm, I'm intrigued <eg> > Maybe you should try being more cheerful! :) > Nah, I look better when I'm not smiling. <g> -- Windows reinstalls suck! ICQ: 37464244 Remove NOSPAM from my e-mail address to reply

2000-06-13 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com>)


Bill Crawford wrote: > Zabana Brandon wrote: > >Bill Crawford wroteded: > > > >> 'Hardware.' <shiver> THE single worst sci-fi > >> film ever made. EVER. The film that is MORE > >> heinous...than MOST HEINOUS. > > > >I think I saw that. Came out like around 90/91 > >in the U.K.? Took place in an apartment for the > >most part? Good looking redhead? :) > > Yeah, that sounds about right. Had Dylan McDermott > in it? And Iggy Pop? I don't recall Dylan McDermott in it, but yeah, it's the same movie then. :) I haven't seen it since then, but I remember having liked it. And liked the redhead. <eg> But the passage of time may cause me to reasess my opinion should I happen to come across it again. :)

2000-06-13 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com>)


Merrick Baldelli wroteded: > Julianna wrote: > >how many other latino actors do you see on a > weekly basis on a TV show? For 7 years in a row????? > > How long did New York Undercover run? > DeLorenzo was on it for 3 years, but Velez is > still on it according to the IMDB listing, and > it's going on what, 6 years in a better time > slot and network? Unless I'm grossly mistaken, NY Undercover was cancelled a few seasons ago, lasting for a total of 4 seasons. But as for how many shows that prominently portray Latino characters, two cited examples don't amount to very much considering the dirth of material out there.

2000-06-13 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (kaboom@7of.9)


On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:11:11 GMT, Steve Christianson <stevechristianson@yahoo.com> wrote: >X-No-Archive: yes > > > >Lisa wrote: >> >> Steve wrote >> >> > >> > >> > See? When your biggest flick is "Night of the Comet" the translation is: >> > loser. >> >> :-(((((((( > > >I could NOT resist, I could NOT resist...<g> **Uh oh, I *liked* Night of the Comet! It's fun. kaboomie

2000-06-13 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Doreen Hartz <dthartz@inwave.com>)


"Steve Christianson" <stevechristianson@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:39464E6B.45EA@yahoo.com... > X-No-Archive: yes > > > > Lisa wrote: > > > > Steve wrote > > > > > > > > > > > See? When your biggest flick is "Night of the Comet" the translation is: > > > loser. > > > > :-(((((((( > > > I could NOT resist, I could NOT resist...<g> As I could not resist listing ALL the wonderful films made by Jeri Ryan below: ;-)

2000-06-13 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Bill Crawford <koichi@fastlane.net>)


On 13 Jun 2000 19:18:59 GMT, evilklowwn@aol.comedy (Bozo the Evil Klown) wrote: >Having seen neither Robert Beltran's blockbuster cinema event or John >Travolta's shilling for $cientology, may I suggest some *truly* sucktacular >epics like "The Black Hole" or "Tron?" Now, now. Those were cheesy, but not BAD. :) You want bad? You should sit through 'Battle Beyond The Stars,' or 'Space Raiders' (same sets, same ship models, Corman inhales like a *^&%^!!) sometime. Or, if you REALLY want to embrace the horror... 'Hardware.' <shiver> THE single worst sci-fi film ever made. EVER. The film that is MORE heinous...than MOST HEINOUS. - Will, considering selling his soul to the Devil so he can get back the two hours of his life he lost on 'Hardware'

2000-06-13 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Therese Gray <tgray@zetnet.co.uk>)


The message <O9w15.2088$LP4.364458@nnrp4.clara.net> from "EvilBill[AGQx]" <evilbill25NOSPAM@freeuk.com> contains these words: > "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote in message news:Drs15.4847 > > > > My knees are still weak now and every so often I remember him smiling at > me > > and my heart flutters<g> > > > Why can't womens' hearts flutter when they think of me? *sniffle* I thought you looked perfectly okay when I saw your pic, if - perhaps (?!?!?!?) - a little young for me. <VBEG> Maybe you should try being more cheerful! :) > -- > Windows reinstalls suck! > ICQ: 37464244 > Remove NOSPAM from my e-mail address to reply

2000-06-13 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com>)


Bill Crawford wroteded: > 'Hardware.' <shiver> THE single worst sci-fi > film ever made. EVER. The film that is MORE > heinous...than MOST HEINOUS. I think I saw that. Came out like around 90/91 in the U.K.? Took place in an apartment for the most part? Good looking redhead? :)

2000-06-13 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Bill Crawford <koichi@fastlane.net>)


On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 20:54:23 GMT, Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com> wrote: >Bill Crawford wroteded: > >> 'Hardware.' <shiver> THE single worst sci-fi >> film ever made. EVER. The film that is MORE >> heinous...than MOST HEINOUS. > >I think I saw that. Came out like around 90/91 >in the U.K.? Took place in an apartment for the >most part? Good looking redhead? :) Yeah, that sounds about right. Had Dylan McDermott in it? And Iggy Pop? - Will, holding up a 'will redshirt for car' si--<zzzt>

2000-06-13 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 05:46:02 GMT, "Suzy" <suzy_j@worldnet.att.net> wrote: > >Julianna Feigl wrote in message ... >>On Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:37:10 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" >><dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: >> >>> >>>"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>news:d6d4kso87dc9e12ia3c35m3he75hhmt67e@4ax.com... >>>> On Fri, 9 Jun 2000 20:43:04 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" <dthartz@inwave.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> I'm sure he saw it that way - and you don't look your age anyway. > >She just looks 362 days older then me! ;) > LOL! >> >>IMO he looks like 20 older than TR... > >So that means TR looks 24 that RB *is* 44. So the man does look his age >after all :) RB is 44?????? You mean, he wants us to believe he's 44? Like star tenor Placido Domingo who gets younger every few years, and people have been joking one day he'll introduce his oldest son as his older brother... >>>But once again, it's all a matter of perception...Someone I was chatting >>>with last night was astounded Jeri Ryan was only 31 or 32, and asked if >she >>>had had a face lift.....LOL, not my perception at all! > >JR is 31??? Wow can we say "sundamage" (meow) > >>> >> >>well.. her angular face is not all *that* pretty... > >I agree with you on that Julianna :))) at least *something* :-) Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-13 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:19:04 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: > >"Steve Christianson" <stevechristianson@yahoo.com> wrote in message >news:39464E6B.45EA@yahoo.com... >> X-No-Archive: yes >> >> >> >> Lisa wrote: >> > >> > Steve wrote >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > See? When your biggest flick is "Night of the Comet" the translation >is: >> > > loser. >> > >> > :-(((((((( >> >> >> I could NOT resist, I could NOT resist...<g> > >You are a big meanie!!!!! > >When will Robert get his chance? > He has *every* chance in the world - if he doesn't make the best use of it and hits it big time after Voyager he's a complete fool... Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-13 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:32:14 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: > >No matter who I told where I was going on Saturday nobody had heard of any >of them, let alone the show. The average public over here still think TNG >is on and most people for some reason thought I was talking about Patrick >Stewart. A couple of people knew who I meant when I said the guy with the >tattoo. > See? He's noticeable and visible... >I'm afraid the only one with any real recognition over here would be Kate >Mulgrew and possibly Jeri Ryan and believe it or not Tim Russ as he was on >the Big Breakfast which is probably far more exposure than all the others >have had put together over here in the UK. What on earth *is* the Big Breakfast???????? Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-13 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:41:24 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" <dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: > >"Suzy" <suzy_j@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message >news:uUj15.7445$ov1.532920@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... >> >> >> Yes he was very handsome in person and did not look his age at all!!! > >No disagreeing here...was having a hard time concentrating for a while! had no such problems... :-) >> > >> >IMO he looks like 20 older than TR... >> >> So that means TR looks 24 that RB *is* 44. So the man does look his age >> after all :) > >There you...both sides happy... > LOL! >> >>But once again, it's all a matter of perception...Someone I was chatting >> >>with last night was astounded Jeri Ryan was only 31 or 32, and asked if >> she >> >>had had a face lift.....LOL, not my perception at all! >> >> JR is 31??? Wow can we say "sundamage" (meow) > >You BAD ;-) ....LOL! that Suzy-woman is mean!!!! Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-13 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Sun, 11 Jun 2000 17:59:03 GMT, Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote: >>Mine are brown with green, nearly hazel, so they are much colder than RB's >>distinctly chocolate brown eyes. > >he has small, piggish eyes that are incredibly cold and lifeless... So basically what you're saying is that marbles have more life than Chuckles' eyes? >maybe he had been explicitly told not to say a thing about that ep... Which is normal most of the time. Celebrities are normally given a don't answer list which they follow religiously. >well, I'm not the only one. A male friend of me who saw him at the >same convention I did, said " I'm *very* disappointed by Beltran - >he's every bit as bad as Shatner." And I think you know the reputation >Shatner has... Which one? He has so many.

2000-06-13 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:32:08 -0700, VoyagerLady <voyagerlady13NOvoSPAM@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote: >All the articles and interviews I have read were positive. In >fact Julianna is one of the few people who is so negative. Oh you ain't seen NOTHIN' yet. Which of the two characters would you like to see me decimate first? Our token cigar store indian who only shows life when the termites eating away on the inside make their appearance through openings on his visage for a first officer? Or the sniveling closet-cased waspy blond boy who's attitude stinks of too many years working on the set of soap operas? >My theroy is that she sees all of the other cast members who get >more screen time due to the duties their characters have as a >threat to Tim Russ. LOL. Don't confuse single-minded determination for one character being the underlying reason why she hates the others. Why, they can all do quite well all on their own prior to Julianna having a helping hand to the mix. >Therefore, she uses negatives to put them >down, thinking perhaps it will elevate Tim Russ in everyone's >eyes. Nonsense. Utter nonsense. >It this is the case, it is sad that she does not realize >that this behavior will not Tim Russ, and could even harm his >career. And this translates to what precisely? There's something missing from this point, and for some reason that missing part is making the sentence seem more than a little nonsensical. However, the second part of it seems eminently clear. Tell me how the actions of one fan who has no direct nor indirect access to the star or his employers can hurt his career in Hollywood? Tell me -- do you actually buy into the conspiracy theory that the US Government has been in contact with aliens for decades now, and that it's aliens that have been running this country since 1950? Because if you don't, then the second part of your comment here is nothing more than unadulterated fabrication.

2000-06-13 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:02:28 GMT, Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote: >>He is??? Since when? Other than Night of the Comet and Eating Raoul, >>what has he done that anyone in the general public might have heard of? > >how many other latino actors do you see on a weekly basis on a TV >show? For 7 years in a row????? How long did New York Undercover run? DeLorenzo was on it for 3 years, but Velez is still on it according to the IMDB listing, and it's going on what, 6 years in a better time slot and network? Just because the show's run for 7 seasons doesn't mean it's the quantity that makes his character stick out. Sorry Julianna, I can't buy into the hype that he's a prominent Latino Actor. It sounds too fluffed even for me. And I'm sure I can find a lot more information if I tried searching IMDB with more gusto. >>I don't know about the #2 ranking, but agreed on the WASP comment. >> >definitely - wait till Zabby has finished his line counts for this >season... I loathe the thought. >>Now now Jules, play nice. <g> > >he *is* the type the young girls will fall for - or so Hollywood >thinks ... They couldn't get Brad Pitt for the role -- he cost too much. So they settled up. LOL

2000-06-13 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Steve Christianson" <stevechristianson@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:39464E6B.45EA@yahoo.com... > X-No-Archive: yes > > > > Lisa wrote: > > > > Steve wrote > > > > > > > > > > > See? When your biggest flick is "Night of the Comet" the translation is: > > > loser. > > > > :-(((((((( > > > I could NOT resist, I could NOT resist...<g> You are a big meanie!!!!! When will Robert get his chance?

2000-06-13 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Therese Gray <tgray@zetnet.co.uk>)


The message <Ihs15.4829$1y5.529698@news3.cableinet.net> from "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> contains these words: > "Steve Christianson" <stevechristianson@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:39464E6B.45EA@yahoo.com... > > > > I could NOT resist, I could NOT resist...<g> > You are a big meanie!!!!! > When will Robert get his chance? "Hello, I'd like to start an argument." [Oh DUH!! I just can't be bothered.]

2000-06-13 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Steve Christianson" <stevechristianson@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:394664BA.326@yahoo.com... > X-No-Archive: yes > > > > Therese Gray wrote: > > > > The message <Ihs15.4829$1y5.529698@news3.cableinet.net> > > from "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> contains these words: > > > > > "Steve Christianson" <stevechristianson@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > > news:39464E6B.45EA@yahoo.com... > > > > > > > > > > I could NOT resist, I could NOT resist...<g> > > > > > You are a big meanie!!!!! > > > > > When will Robert get his chance? > > > > "Hello, I'd like to start an argument." > > > > [Oh DUH!! I just can't be bothered.] > > > I'm only teasing, you know me, the perpetual troublemaker. LOL! At least we have a sense of humour about things <g>

2000-06-13 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Therese Gray" <tgray@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message news:2000061317102586296@zetnet.co.uk... > The message <Ihs15.4829$1y5.529698@news3.cableinet.net> > from "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> contains these words: > > > "Steve Christianson" <stevechristianson@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:39464E6B.45EA@yahoo.com... > > > > > > > I could NOT resist, I could NOT resist...<g> > > > You are a big meanie!!!!! > > > When will Robert get his chance? > > > "Hello, I'd like to start an argument." ROTFLOL! Me???????? > > > > [Oh DUH!! I just can't be bothered.] Nope, no exactly how you feel:-( > > > > > >

2000-06-13 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Doreen Hartz <dthartz@inwave.com>)


"Suzy" <suzy_j@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:uUj15.7445$ov1.532920@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > > Julianna Feigl wrote in message ... > >On Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:37:10 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" > ><dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: > > > >> > >>"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message > >>news:d6d4kso87dc9e12ia3c35m3he75hhmt67e@4ax.com... > >>> On Fri, 9 Jun 2000 20:43:04 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" <dthartz@inwave.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > > > >>> I'm sure he saw it that way - and you don't look your age anyway. > > She just looks 362 days older then me! ;) LOL, now that's the truth! > > >> > >>Julianna... > >> > >>Thanks again!! Every teacher who feels 100 in June needs to hear that! > > Ok I look 362 days younger then you! <clink gf> <clink gf> > > >> > > > >:-) it's my pleasure and it is the truth! > > > >>> While he looks like 55+ > >> > >>Then I'll be happy with the 50's!! > >>I thought he looked much younger in person, and like Picardo, his skin was > >>so much prettier. > > Yes he was very handsome in person and did not look his age at all!!! No disagreeing here...was having a hard time concentrating for a while! > > >> > > > >IMO he looks like 20 older than TR... > > So that means TR looks 24 that RB *is* 44. So the man does look his age > after all :) There you...both sides happy... > > > > >>But once again, it's all a matter of perception...Someone I was chatting > >>with last night was astounded Jeri Ryan was only 31 or 32, and asked if > she > >>had had a face lift.....LOL, not my perception at all! > > JR is 31??? Wow can we say "sundamage" (meow) You BAD ;-) ....LOL! Doreen

2000-06-13 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - ("EvilBill[AGQx]" <evilbill25NOSPAM@freeuk.com>)


"Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote in message news:Drs15.4847 > > My knees are still weak now and every so often I remember him smiling at me > and my heart flutters<g> > Why can't womens' hearts flutter when they think of me? *sniffle* -- Windows reinstalls suck! ICQ: 37464244 Remove NOSPAM from my e-mail address to reply

2000-06-13 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (evilklowwn@aol.comedy)


Having seen neither Robert Beltran's blockbuster cinema event or John Travolta's shilling for $cientology, may I suggest some *truly* sucktacular epics like "The Black Hole" or "Tron?" ***************************************** "Insanity is a part of the times, Vir: You must learn to *embrace* the madness!!" Londo Mollari

2000-06-13 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Suzy <suzy_j@worldnet.att.net>)


Julianna Feigl wrote in message ... >On Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:37:10 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" ><dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: > >> >>"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>news:d6d4kso87dc9e12ia3c35m3he75hhmt67e@4ax.com... >>> On Fri, 9 Jun 2000 20:43:04 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" <dthartz@inwave.com> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> I'm sure he saw it that way - and you don't look your age anyway. She just looks 362 days older then me! ;) >> >>Julianna... >> >>Thanks again!! Every teacher who feels 100 in June needs to hear that! Ok I look 362 days younger then you! <clink gf> >> > >:-) it's my pleasure and it is the truth! > >>> While he looks like 55+ >> >>Then I'll be happy with the 50's!! >>I thought he looked much younger in person, and like Picardo, his skin was >>so much prettier. Yes he was very handsome in person and did not look his age at all!!! >> > >IMO he looks like 20 older than TR... So that means TR looks 24 that RB *is* 44. So the man does look his age after all :) > >>But once again, it's all a matter of perception...Someone I was chatting >>with last night was astounded Jeri Ryan was only 31 or 32, and asked if she >>had had a face lift.....LOL, not my perception at all! JR is 31??? Wow can we say "sundamage" (meow) >> > >well.. her angular face is not all *that* pretty... I agree with you on that Julianna :))) > >Julianna >-------- >Tuvok: >The main reason to watch Voyager! Suzy

2000-06-13 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


Steve wrote > > > See? When your biggest flick is "Night of the Comet" the translation is: > loser. :-((((((((

2000-06-13 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Suzy" <suzy_j@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:gAG05.4661 > > > >Thanks Therese....LOL, I had no doubt of either one of those things <G> > > Way cool knew Allie would join the group who wanted to yell "yahoo" at RB > <VBEG> > He is so darn charming and oh my the dimples and smile just make your knees > go weak!!! My knees are still weak now and every so often I remember him smiling at me and my heart flutters<g>

2000-06-13 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Juli17" <juli17@aol.com> wrote in message news:20000610172149.14159.00001866@ng-fk1.aol.com... > >>The *only* actors who are going to get actual name recognition out of their > >>association with Voyager are Jeri Ryan and Kate Mulgrew. > > > >and the three Roberts... > > > > No way. No how. The average person (or average director who doesn't closely > watch Voyager, as most don't) has no idea who Robert Duncan McNeill is, or > Robert Beltran, or in most cases Robert Picardo. Which puts them all in the > same boat as Roxann Dawson, Ethan Phillips, Tim Russ and Garrett Wang. Kate > Mulgrew was already fairly well known, and Jeri Ryan's image as Seven has been > plastered all over anything that has to do with Voyager for the past three > years. They are the only two people who will leave this show with name > recognition, and seven others who won't. > No matter who I told where I was going on Saturday nobody had heard of any of them, let alone the show. The average public over here still think TNG is on and most people for some reason thought I was talking about Patrick Stewart. A couple of people knew who I meant when I said the guy with the tattoo. I'm afraid the only one with any real recognition over here would be Kate Mulgrew and possibly Jeri Ryan and believe it or not Tim Russ as he was on the Big Breakfast which is probably far more exposure than all the others have had put together over here in the UK. Lisa

2000-06-13 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (juli17@aol.com)


>> >>Though, interestingly, most of his fans are not teenagers. And many of his >>fans do not like him simply because they lust after him; in fact they admire >>him all the more for his devotion to his family. >> > >and here I thought you'd say because of his acting talent... at least >you are honest... > >Julianna Actually I do like his acting. I don't consider him the best actor on Voyager, but I do consider all of the actors on Voyager very good (even Beltran when he isn't sleepwalking). That wasn't the comparison I was making though. When I say admiration, I tend to admire someone for the person he/she is, not based exclusively on either looks or acting talent. Those traits can be admirable but they are rather empty if the person displaying them doesn't have anything to give beyond that. I'm thinking that while you consider Tim a good-looking man, and a fine actor, you admire him *most* for the person he is inside. That was my reference. Julie

2000-06-13 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - ("David B." <bothecat@hotmail.com>)


Bozo the Evil Klown wrote: > > Bob doth write thus: > > >> >It's too bad you guys don't get THIS HOUR HAS > >> >22 MINUTES down there. Well ... when one of > >> >their "newspeople" isn't managing to make a > >> >potential U.S. president candidate make him- > >> >self look like a complete boob. :) > >> > > > > >unfortunately for both countries, that has been astoundingly easy to do for > >last > >few decades. > > So easy, the candidates do it *themselves,* to save us the trouble!! How nice of 'em...

2000-06-14 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Doreen Hartz <dthartz@inwave.com>)


"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:7b8dks4tbceh9cnhrfc9d0hl0fi7b7v9mc@4ax.com... > On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:41:24 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" > <dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: > > > > >"Suzy" <suzy_j@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message > >news:uUj15.7445$ov1.532920@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > >> > > >> > >> Yes he was very handsome in person and did not look his age at all!!! > > > >No disagreeing here...was having a hard time concentrating for a while! > > had no such problems... :-) > > >> > > >> >IMO he looks like 20 older than TR... > >> > >> So that means TR looks 24 that RB *is* 44. So the man does look his age > >> after all :) > > > >There you...both sides happy... > > > > LOL! > > >> >>But once again, it's all a matter of perception...Someone I was chatting > >> >>with last night was astounded Jeri Ryan was only 31 or 32, and asked if > >> she > >> >>had had a face lift.....LOL, not my perception at all! > >> > >> JR is 31??? Wow can we say "sundamage" (meow) > > > >You BAD ;-) ....LOL! > > that Suzy-woman is mean!!!! LOL...she's tough! That's why she prefers the evil twin;-) (not to mention spare spurs...) Doreen

2000-06-14 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


Julianna wrote > > > >Bullshit! I said a couple of people remember the tattoo, they have no idea > >who he is or what he looks like. I'm equally sure if I'd have said the > >black guy who plays the Vulcan with the pointy ears they would have had the > >same reaction or if I'd have said the woman with the breasts and the cat > >suit. > > that, most definitely... :-) and dont ignore what I said about Tim as well, its possible with most actors on a show to describe them in a way that people will recognise without knowing the character. > > > Voyager just doesnt cut it over here and unless you are a fan you > >would know very little about it. > > > >> > >> >I'm afraid the only one with any real recognition over here would be Kate > >> >Mulgrew and possibly Jeri Ryan and believe it or not Tim Russ as he was > >on > >> >the Big Breakfast which is probably far more exposure than all the others > >> >have had put together over here in the UK. > >> > >> What on earth *is* the Big Breakfast???????? > > > >Its a very trendy breakfast time show. Used to be presented by Chris Evans > >and Gaby Roslin with Paula Yates(ex wife of Bob Geldof) doing the interviews > >in bed with people, > > ???? You mean they interviewed Tim in bed?????? Not sure as I never saw it , but its how they always used to do it when I watched it, it was pretty famous for it over here. > > >which is incidentally where she met Michael Hutchence > >who she ran off with, anyway , it has a good audience, although I dont > >watch it anymore and Tim was on, it generated a fair amount of publicity and > >I saw a fair few posts in different ngs about the fact that he was on. So > >there you go, Tim got publicity from being on Voyager, who'd have believed > >it. > > Umm.. you just said the publicity came from being on that breakfast > show... *not* from Voyager. And was he even interviewed about Voyager? > Or had it more to do with his new CD and the fact he was doing > concerts in the UK??? The only reason he would have been asked to appear would have been because of Voyager, he may have been doing his CD tour at the time, but that wouldhave little relevance unless there was something else of interest about him. There must be hundreds of actors who produce cd's. Lisa

2000-06-14 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Bill Crawford <koichi@fastlane.net>)


On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 16:59:42 -0400, Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com> wrote: >On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 22:12:16 GMT, Zabana Brandon ><zabana@collegetoday.com> wrote: > >>Bill Crawford wrote: >> >>> Yeah, that sounds about right. Had Dylan McDermott >>> in it? And Iggy Pop? >> >>I don't recall Dylan McDermott in it, but yeah, >>it's the same movie then. :) > > Couldn't forget that McDermott was in it... Either he or a >body double had a butt one could serve breakfast on. Luckily for me, I've never seen the entire film. And definitely not the bit with Dylan's butt. I gather it'd be something like seeing Pierce Brosnan's derriere in 'Demons'...does absolutely sh<beep>t for me. :) - Will, who wouldn't mind seeing, say, Jennifer Lien's butt on film

2000-06-14 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 22:12:16 GMT, Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com> wrote: >Bill Crawford wrote: >> Zabana Brandon wrote: >> >Bill Crawford wroteded: >> > >> >> 'Hardware.' <shiver> THE single worst sci-fi >> >> film ever made. EVER. The film that is MORE >> >> heinous...than MOST HEINOUS. >> > >> >I think I saw that. Came out like around 90/91 >> >in the U.K.? Took place in an apartment for the >> >most part? Good looking redhead? :) >> >> Yeah, that sounds about right. Had Dylan McDermott >> in it? And Iggy Pop? > >I don't recall Dylan McDermott in it, but yeah, >it's the same movie then. :) Couldn't forget that McDermott was in it... Either he or a body double had a butt one could serve breakfast on.

2000-06-14 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 22:09:47 GMT, Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com> wrote: >Unless I'm grossly mistaken, NY Undercover was >cancelled a few seasons ago, lasting for a total >of 4 seasons. Weird.. According to IMDB -- it's still running. >But as for how many shows that prominently >portray Latino characters, two cited examples >don't amount to very much considering the >dirth of material out there. And I admitted I half looked, but considering that you're going this route, hold on a moment while I fire up my Browser O' Choice and see what I can come up with: Robert Beltran: 5 years (6 seasons) on Voyager* (*as a Native American) 19 years in the career/business Erik Estrada: 6 years (7 seasons) on CHiPs 28 years in the career/business Cheech Marin: 4 years (5 seasons) on Nash Bridges 22 years in the career/business Jimmy Smits: 5 years (6 seasons) on LA Law 16 years in the career/business A Martinez: 2 years (3 seasons) on LA Law 29 years in the career/business Ricardo Montalban: 6 years (7 seasons) on Fantasy Island 58 years in the career/business Dezi Arnez 6 years (7 seasons) on I Love Lucy 42 years in the career/industry Cesar Romero 2 years (3 seasons) on Batman 2 years (3 seasons) on Falcon Crest 61 years in the business As I see it, I think that the grasp for Most Prominent Latino Actor on Television today seems a bit paltry don't you think? Especially when compared to Dezi Arnez, Ricardo Montalban and even Erik Estrada.

2000-06-14 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On 14 Jun 2000 02:34:42 GMT, juli17@aol.com (Juli17) wrote: >> Oh you ain't seen NOTHIN' yet. Which of the two characters >>would you like to see me decimate first? Our token cigar store indian >>who only shows life when the termites eating away on the inside make >>their appearance through openings on his visage for a first officer? >>Or the sniveling closet-cased waspy blond boy who's attitude stinks of >>too many years working on the set of soap operas? > >You lost me. Are you talking about the characters, or the actors? Yes. >>>My theroy is that she sees all of the other cast members who get >>>more screen time due to the duties their characters have as a >>>threat to Tim Russ. > >> LOL. Don't confuse single-minded determination for one >>character being the underlying reason why she hates the others. Why, >>they can all do quite well all on their own prior to Julianna having a >>helping hand to the mix. > >Again, it isn't clear whether in your response you are talking about the >characters on the show, or the actors who play them. Yes, because one cannot exist without the other, without the character being changed. >It is two different things. Is it? Tell me, would you believe Tom Paris played by Brad Pitt if Pitt were to walk in suddenly halfway through the season? As it has been countlessly proven in soap operas where an actor will take on a character already established by someone prior to their entrance -- each actor puts a little of his understanding of the character into the portrayal of the said character. >As for who gets more screentime, the actors have virtually no say in >it. The producers/writers write the scripts and highlight the characters that >they "like" or "find easiest to write" or whatever their reasoning. And let's not forget nepotism, or favoritism which Hollywood is notoriously known to be run by. This isn't an equal opportunity world in Tinsel Town. If someone on the production staff so much as LIKES one of the actors on the set, I guarantee you that the production staff will do everything in their power to provide focus on the character. >Jeri Ryan has far more stories for her character than Tim Russ or Ethan >Phillips for instance (and her character gets more to do even when she's >a secondary figure in the storyline than any of the others do). Of course Jeri Ryan's divorce and now dating Brannon Braga has positively nothing to do with her being the focus of so many stories either, does it? 30 years ago, such scandal (as it was proven on the TOS set with Roddenberry and Barrett) would force the upper-echelon suits to step in and say no. Nowadays, it seems that the same upper-echelon simply turn away and act as though it's nothing more than some big, pink elephant. >However I don't blame Jeri or think she even has much to do with the >fact that her character is heavily emphasized. UPN and TPTB like >the character, thus the character is seen more, and Jeri gets more >screentime. I don't think she's entirely sinless about it either, knowing full well she's sharing the bed with the Supervising/Associate Producer, who happens to also be a very close personal friend of the Executive Producer. >Basically, the amount of screentime each of the actors get depends on >how much TPTB decide to give them. There's little point in resenting >any of the actors over screentime when they have so little to do >with it. I've given you one such obvious and blatant flow-chart of the associations and friendships (and even relationships) of what's going on behind-the-scenes of Star Trek: Voyager. I can certainly imagine there are more going on, considering the things that have been posted here regarding what Beltran's been saying at the conventions, along with some of the other actor's comments. You also confuse something else about Julianna's gripes. She does indeed do a great amount of focus on TPTB and their throwing Tuvok/Russ to the side. In fact, I seem to recall reading through quite a few messages from Julianna stating it quite plainly how Tuvok is UNDERUTILIZED. UNDERUTILIZED in a show or motion picture is a direct attack against the writers and producers.

2000-06-14 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Ronald Cole <ronald@forte-intl.com>)


evilklowwn@aol.comedy (Bozo the Evil Klown) writes: > Having seen neither Robert Beltran's blockbuster cinema event or John > Travolta's shilling for $cientology, may I suggest some *truly* sucktacular > epics like "The Black Hole" or "Tron?" Tron is still watchable and enjoyable... Rewatching The Black Hole made me cringe the same way that listening to my Partridge Family albums after 25 years made me cringe. It wasn't pleasant at all. Besides, everyone who's seen The Black Hole knows that the Borg descended from Ernest Borgnine. -- Forte International, P.O. Box 1412, Ridgecrest, CA 93556-1412 Ronald Cole <ronald@forte-intl.com> Phone: (760) 499-9142 President, CEO Fax: (760) 499-9152 My GPG fingerprint: C3AF 4BE9 BEA6 F1C2 B084 4A88 8851 E6C8 69E3 B00B

2000-06-14 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 07:23:48 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: > >"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message >news:r18dks0rtacbelkmcgq04cg3lr5e8f30m9@4ax.com... >> On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:32:14 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >No matter who I told where I was going on Saturday nobody had heard of >any >> >of them, let alone the show. The average public over here still think >TNG >> >is on and most people for some reason thought I was talking about Patrick >> >Stewart. A couple of people knew who I meant when I said the guy with >the >> >tattoo. >> > >> >> See? He's noticeable and visible... > >Bullshit! I said a couple of people remember the tattoo, they have no idea >who he is or what he looks like. I'm equally sure if I'd have said the >black guy who plays the Vulcan with the pointy ears they would have had the >same reaction or if I'd have said the woman with the breasts and the cat >suit. that, most definitely... :-) > Voyager just doesnt cut it over here and unless you are a fan you >would know very little about it. > >> >> >I'm afraid the only one with any real recognition over here would be Kate >> >Mulgrew and possibly Jeri Ryan and believe it or not Tim Russ as he was >on >> >the Big Breakfast which is probably far more exposure than all the others >> >have had put together over here in the UK. >> >> What on earth *is* the Big Breakfast???????? > >Its a very trendy breakfast time show. Used to be presented by Chris Evans >and Gaby Roslin with Paula Yates(ex wife of Bob Geldof) doing the interviews >in bed with people, ???? You mean they interviewed Tim in bed?????? >which is incidentally where she met Michael Hutchence >who she ran off with, anyway , it has a good audience, although I dont >watch it anymore and Tim was on, it generated a fair amount of publicity and >I saw a fair few posts in different ngs about the fact that he was on. So >there you go, Tim got publicity from being on Voyager, who'd have believed >it. Umm.. you just said the publicity came from being on that breakfast show... *not* from Voyager. And was he even interviewed about Voyager? Or had it more to do with his new CD and the fact he was doing concerts in the UK??? Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-14 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (TheFlinx <theFlinxx@yahoo.com>)


Merrick Baldelli wrote in message ... > As I see it, I think that the grasp for Most Prominent Latino >Actor on Television today seems a bit paltry don't you think? >Especially when compared to Dezi Arnez, Ricardo Montalban and even >Erik Estrada. Hey, what about the guy from NYPD Blue?

2000-06-14 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:52:50 -0400, Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com> wrote: >On Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:32:08 -0700, VoyagerLady ><voyagerlady13NOvoSPAM@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote: > >>All the articles and interviews I have read were positive. In >>fact Julianna is one of the few people who is so negative. > > Oh you ain't seen NOTHIN' yet. Which of the two characters >would you like to see me decimate first? Our token cigar store indian >who only shows life when the termites eating away on the inside make >their appearance through openings on his visage for a first officer? >Or the sniveling closet-cased waspy blond boy who's attitude stinks of >too many years working on the set of soap operas? > I love that attitude of yours! :-) >>My theroy is that she sees all of the other cast members who get >>more screen time due to the duties their characters have as a >>threat to Tim Russ. > > LOL. Don't confuse single-minded determination for one >character being the underlying reason why she hates the others. Why, >they can all do quite well all on their own prior to Julianna having a >helping hand to the mix. > LOL! >>Therefore, she uses negatives to put them >>down, thinking perhaps it will elevate Tim Russ in everyone's >>eyes. > > Nonsense. Utter nonsense. > everybody on this ng has told her at least once,.... >>It this is the case, it is sad that she does not realize >>that this behavior will not Tim Russ, and could even harm his >>career. > > And this translates to what precisely? There's something >missing from this point, and for some reason that missing part is >making the sentence seem more than a little nonsensical. > > However, the second part of it seems eminently clear. Tell me >how the actions of one fan who has no direct nor indirect access to >the star or his employers can hurt his career in Hollywood? > > Tell me -- do you actually buy into the conspiracy theory that >the US Government has been in contact with aliens for decades now, and >that it's aliens that have been running this country since 1950? >Because if you don't, then the second part of your comment here is >nothing more than unadulterated fabrication. > ROTFLOL! I don't know what's more hilarious, the original post or your reply to it, Merrick! :-) Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-14 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:52:51 -0400, Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com> wrote: >On Sun, 11 Jun 2000 17:59:03 GMT, Julianna Feigl ><glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote: > >>>Mine are brown with green, nearly hazel, so they are much colder than RB's >>>distinctly chocolate brown eyes. >> >>he has small, piggish eyes that are incredibly cold and lifeless... > > So basically what you're saying is that marbles have more life >than Chuckles' eyes? > I was not that direct, but yes, that would be pretty close to what I was implying... >>maybe he had been explicitly told not to say a thing about that ep... > > Which is normal most of the time. Celebrities are normally >given a don't answer list which they follow religiously. > more or less... >>well, I'm not the only one. A male friend of me who saw him at the >>same convention I did, said " I'm *very* disappointed by Beltran - >>he's every bit as bad as Shatner." And I think you know the reputation >>Shatner has... > > Which one? He has so many. > LOL! The one about pissing off fans at conventions... Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-14 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:52:50 -0400, Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com> wrote: >On Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:02:28 GMT, Julianna Feigl ><glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote: > >>>He is??? Since when? Other than Night of the Comet and Eating Raoul, >>>what has he done that anyone in the general public might have heard of? >> >>how many other latino actors do you see on a weekly basis on a TV >>show? For 7 years in a row????? > > How long did New York Undercover run? DeLorenzo was on it for >3 years, but Velez is still on it according to the IMDB listing, and >it's going on what, 6 years in a better time slot and network? Just >because the show's run for 7 seasons doesn't mean it's the quantity >that makes his character stick out. > > Sorry Julianna, I can't buy into the hype that he's a >prominent Latino Actor. It sounds too fluffed even for me. And I'm >sure I can find a lot more information if I tried searching IMDB with >more gusto. > Hey, look who'S back!!!!!!!! Another one of the newsgroup elders who was there long before I arrived... if only you could convince me that he *won't* be considered a major star after VOY is over, and that his less than stellar acting will be a factor for whether or not he can be hired... >>>I don't know about the #2 ranking, but agreed on the WASP comment. >>> >>definitely - wait till Zabby has finished his line counts for this >>season... > > I loathe the thought. > >>>Now now Jules, play nice. <g> >> >>he *is* the type the young girls will fall for - or so Hollywood >>thinks ... > > They couldn't get Brad Pitt for the role -- he cost too much. >So they settled up. LOL > ROTFLOL!!!!!! Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-14 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On 14 Jun 2000 02:34:42 GMT, juli17@aol.com (Juli17) wrote: >> >> Oh you ain't seen NOTHIN' yet. Which of the two characters >>would you like to see me decimate first? Our token cigar store indian >>who only shows life when the termites eating away on the inside make >>their appearance through openings on his visage for a first officer? >>Or the sniveling closet-cased waspy blond boy who's attitude stinks of >>too many years working on the set of soap operas? > >You lost me. Are you talking about the characters, or the actors? both, I think >>>My theroy is that she sees all of the other cast members who get >>>more screen time due to the duties their characters have as a >>>threat to Tim Russ. > >> LOL. Don't confuse single-minded determination for one >>character being the underlying reason why she hates the others. Why, >>they can all do quite well all on their own prior to Julianna having a >>helping hand to the mix. > >Again, it isn't clear whether in your response you are talking about the >characters on the show, or the actors who play them. It is two different >things. As for who gets more screentime, the actors have virtually no say in >it. The producers/writers write the scripts and highlight the characters that >they "like" or "find easiest to write" or whatever their reasoning. Jeri Ryan >has far more stories for her character than Tim Russ or Ethan Phillips for >instance (and her character gets more to do even when she's a secondary figure >in the storyline than any of the others do). However I don't blame Jeri or >think she even has much to do with the fact that her character is heavily >emphasized. UPN and TPTB like the character, thus the character is seen more, >and Jeri gets more screentime. Basically, the amount of screentime each of the >actors get depends on how much TPTB decide to give them. There's little point >in resenting any of the actors over screentime when they have so little to do >with it. > nobody hates *actors* because they get screentime, but because of things they say and do. If whether or not they have screentime were a factor, the wrath would be directed towards Ryan and Picardo instead of Beltran and McNeill... >As for liking or disliking certain characters, well, that's all a matter of >individual preferences, to which everyone is entitled :-) Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-14 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Allie Andrews <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk>)


Bozo the Evil Klown <evilklowwn@aol.comedy> wrote > I must disagree: Picardo was a semi-regular on a popular shitcom ("Home > Improvement") for a while, and so already had *some* recognition level before > "Voyager." Some, but I personally had no idea who he was until Voyager. Allie x

2000-06-14 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (VoyagerLady <voyagerlady13NOvoSPAM@yahoo.com.invalid>)


In article <3946bce9.2568384@news2.wwnet.net>, kaboom@7of.9 wrote: >On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:11:11 GMT, Steve Christianson ><stevechristianson@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>X-No-Archive: yes >> >**Uh oh, I *liked* Night of the Comet! It's fun. > >kaboomie > > > I like "Night of the Comet." It is a funny movie. It pokes fun at "Valley Girls." It has lots of really zany scenes in it. I love the lady scientist's comment about the fate of the earth in the hands of the younger sister. Ronda * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!

2000-06-14 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:r18dks0rtacbelkmcgq04cg3lr5e8f30m9@4ax.com... > On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:32:14 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: > > > > >No matter who I told where I was going on Saturday nobody had heard of any > >of them, let alone the show. The average public over here still think TNG > >is on and most people for some reason thought I was talking about Patrick > >Stewart. A couple of people knew who I meant when I said the guy with the > >tattoo. > > > > See? He's noticeable and visible... Bullshit! I said a couple of people remember the tattoo, they have no idea who he is or what he looks like. I'm equally sure if I'd have said the black guy who plays the Vulcan with the pointy ears they would have had the same reaction or if I'd have said the woman with the breasts and the cat suit. Voyager just doesnt cut it over here and unless you are a fan you would know very little about it. > > >I'm afraid the only one with any real recognition over here would be Kate > >Mulgrew and possibly Jeri Ryan and believe it or not Tim Russ as he was on > >the Big Breakfast which is probably far more exposure than all the others > >have had put together over here in the UK. > > What on earth *is* the Big Breakfast???????? Its a very trendy breakfast time show. Used to be presented by Chris Evans and Gaby Roslin with Paula Yates(ex wife of Bob Geldof) doing the interviews in bed with people, which is incidentally where she met Michael Hutchence who she ran off with, anyway , it has a good audience, although I dont watch it anymore and Tim was on, it generated a fair amount of publicity and I saw a fair few posts in different ngs about the fact that he was on. So there you go, Tim got publicity from being on Voyager, who'd have believed it. > Lisa

2000-06-14 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Denise" <esined@jonroocostra.nl> wrote in message news:3946B2BD.5709EA67@jonroocostra.nl... > Oh c'mon Miss Trouble...... DO start an argument <lol> ROTFLOL!! > > Hope you ALL survived this weekend!!! Was great meeting you, Lisa and > Allie!!!!! It was lovely putting names to faces especially one face........... > > The tape came out sort of okay, considering I was hiding it behind bags, > glasses of booze and such. > But alas, only about half an hour. Sniff...... > > Tell me where to send the copy okay!!!!!! > > and Stevie!!! <wags finger> Do NOT corrupt these ladies while talking to > them on the phone and the oddest hour <lol> LOL, he is always corrupting us at any hour<g> Lisa

2000-06-14 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Robert Beltran <rob@beltran.com>)


Denise <esined@jonroocostra.nl> wrote in message news:3946B2BD.5709EA67@jonroocostra.nl... > Oh c'mon Miss Trouble...... DO start an argument <lol> > > Hope you ALL survived this weekend!!! Was great meeting you, Lisa and > Allie!!!!! > > The tape came out sort of okay, considering I was hiding it behind bags, > glasses of booze and such. > But alas, only about half an hour. Sniff...... > > Tell me where to send the copy okay!!!!!! > > and Stevie!!! <wags finger> Do NOT corrupt these ladies while talking to > them on the phone and the oddest hour <lol> Denise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good to see you here :-) Allie x

2000-06-14 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Wavemaker <wavemaker@my-deja.com>)


"Robert Beltran" wrote: > > Denise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Good to see you here :-) > > Allie > x Mr. Beltran, are you posting from Allie's house?? Does Paul know about this???

2000-06-14 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Allie Andrews <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk>)


Wavemaker <wavemaker@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:n_G15.153$OkW.48168979@news.randori.com... > > Mr. Beltran, are you posting from Allie's house?? Does Paul know about > this??? Doh..........I forgot to change my name back after posting Lisa's birthday message! Hi Wave *smooch* Allie x

2000-06-14 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Steve Christianson" <stevechristianson@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:39472F20.3959@yahoo.com... > X-No-Archive: yes > > > > Denise wrote: > > > > Oh c'mon Miss Trouble...... DO start an argument <lol> > > > I like that...Miss Trouble...methinks I have a new nickname for Therese > <VBEG> LOL! > > > > Hope you ALL survived this weekend!!! Was great meeting you, Lisa and > > Allie!!!!! > > > > The tape came out sort of okay, considering I was hiding it behind bags, > > glasses of booze and such. > > But alas, only about half an hour. Sniff...... > > > > Tell me where to send the copy okay!!!!!! > > > > and Stevie!!! <wags finger> Do NOT corrupt these ladies while talking to > > them on the phone and the oddest hour <lol> > > > <innocent look> Who's to say they weren't corrupting me? Moi?

2000-06-14 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


Steve wrote > > Lisa wrote: > > > > > and Stevie!!! <wags finger> Do NOT corrupt these ladies while talking to > > > them on the phone and the oddest hour <lol> > > > > LOL, he is always corrupting us at any hour<g> > > > I try my best. <g> :-) > > How are you today? Not so bad, still tired though really. Peter went out last night and I fell asleep downstairs, but when I woke up I was really confused and couldn't work out where I was or who I was. It was really scary, its happened to me before, but I was so disorientated it was bizarre. Peter just says its the after affects of seeing Robert and that subconsciously I was looking for him<g>. Its yet another miserable wet day here and I have loads of housework to do, but Chloe has gone to playgroup, so I'm gonna get a cuppa and go and watch some tapes for a couple of hours all by myself in peace. Bliss! What are you up to today???? Anything of note or are you just gonna wear your shorts and scare your neighbours?

2000-06-14 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Wavemaker" <wavemaker@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:n_G15.153$OkW.48168979@news.randori.com... > > "Robert Beltran" wrote: > > > > Denise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > Good to see you here :-) > > > > Allie > > x > > Mr. Beltran, are you posting from Allie's house?? Does Paul know about > this??? > ROTFLOL!

2000-06-14 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Denise <esined@jonroocostra.nl>)


Oh c'mon Miss Trouble...... DO start an argument <lol> Hope you ALL survived this weekend!!! Was great meeting you, Lisa and Allie!!!!! The tape came out sort of okay, considering I was hiding it behind bags, glasses of booze and such. But alas, only about half an hour. Sniff...... Tell me where to send the copy okay!!!!!! and Stevie!!! <wags finger> Do NOT corrupt these ladies while talking to them on the phone and the oddest hour <lol> Denise ================ You've got to do your own growing, no matter how tall your grandfather was. -Irish Proverb

2000-06-14 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (juli17@aol.com)


> > Oh you ain't seen NOTHIN' yet. Which of the two characters >would you like to see me decimate first? Our token cigar store indian >who only shows life when the termites eating away on the inside make >their appearance through openings on his visage for a first officer? >Or the sniveling closet-cased waspy blond boy who's attitude stinks of >too many years working on the set of soap operas? You lost me. Are you talking about the characters, or the actors? >>My theroy is that she sees all of the other cast members who get >>more screen time due to the duties their characters have as a >>threat to Tim Russ. > LOL. Don't confuse single-minded determination for one >character being the underlying reason why she hates the others. Why, >they can all do quite well all on their own prior to Julianna having a >helping hand to the mix. Again, it isn't clear whether in your response you are talking about the characters on the show, or the actors who play them. It is two different things. As for who gets more screentime, the actors have virtually no say in it. The producers/writers write the scripts and highlight the characters that they "like" or "find easiest to write" or whatever their reasoning. Jeri Ryan has far more stories for her character than Tim Russ or Ethan Phillips for instance (and her character gets more to do even when she's a secondary figure in the storyline than any of the others do). However I don't blame Jeri or think she even has much to do with the fact that her character is heavily emphasized. UPN and TPTB like the character, thus the character is seen more, and Jeri gets more screentime. Basically, the amount of screentime each of the actors get depends on how much TPTB decide to give them. There's little point in resenting any of the actors over screentime when they have so little to do with it. As for liking or disliking certain characters, well, that's all a matter of individual preferences, to which everyone is entitled :-) Julie

2000-06-14 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - ("David B." <bothecat@hotmail.com>)


Zabana Brandon wrote: > > Merrick Baldelli wroteded: > > Julianna wrote: > > > >how many other latino actors do you see on a > > weekly basis on a TV show? For 7 years in a row????? > > > > How long did New York Undercover run? > > DeLorenzo was on it for 3 years, but Velez is > > still on it according to the IMDB listing, and > > it's going on what, 6 years in a better time > > slot and network? > > Unless I'm grossly mistaken, NY Undercover was > cancelled a few seasons ago, lasting for a total > of 4 seasons. > > But as for how many shows that prominently > portray Latino characters, two cited examples > don't amount to very much considering the > dirth of material out there. NYPD Blue had a Puerto Rican character however he was played by an Italian American actor and Homicide had an Italian American character played by a Latino actor. Weird.

2000-06-15 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com>)


Merrick Baldelli wroteded: > I tried to keep to the "on television" > portion of the criteria. Had I went straight > for movies alone, Martin Sheen (Estevez) along > with his two extremely bratty children would've > been listed here as well. Martin Sheen is Latino? And as for any tv profile for the brats ... Charlie Sheen is gonna have the lead on SPIN CITY next season. <g>

2000-06-15 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (TheFlinx <theFlinxx@yahoo.com>)


Merrick Baldelli wrote in message <4bmhkss19vb71nblnkrv0tf059766vuhrn@4ax.com>... >On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 18:12:11 -0400, "TheFlinx" <theFlinxx@yahoo.com> >wrote: > >>Merrick Baldelli wrote in message ... >> >>> As I see it, I think that the grasp for Most Prominent Latino >>>Actor on Television today seems a bit paltry don't you think? >>>Especially when compared to Dezi Arnez, Ricardo Montalban and even >>>Erik Estrada. >> >>Hey, what about the guy from NYPD Blue? > > Forgot to check that show, along with Miami Vice because I >don't normally watch either of them. I may amend those two shows in a >moment, depending on what I see in the other responses. For some reason his name is lodged somewhere in the back of my head but IIRC he has signed a deal with NBC for a series, hence his departure from Blue.

2000-06-15 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (TheFlinx <theFlinxx@yahoo.com>)


Merrick Baldelli wrote in message > I tried to keep to the "on television" portion of the >criteria. Had I went straight for movies alone, Martin Sheen >(Estevez) along with his two extremely bratty children would've been >listed here as well. Martin Sheen is the star of the Best TV show on the air right now, "The West Wing" (if you have not seen it, catch it from the beginning on reruns on NBC) and son Charley is taking over the MJ Fox series "Spin City" so you'd better include them.

2000-06-15 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Denise <esined@jonroocostra.nl>)


The friend with the HUGE hangover is fine again! But I don't think she's going anywhere near booze. Sissy! <g> The drive over wasn't that bad. Only 1 1/2 hours to get to Norfolk, a 35 minute channel tunnel and then another 4 hours to get back to Amsterdam. After that......total collapse... Allie Andrews wrote: > It really does seem like ages ago though.........................I wish we > could do it all again this weekend! > > Allie > x <lol> ME TOO.. but definitely with the SAME special guest. Do you think Mieke and Therese will be up for drinks again??? ;-) -- hugs The niece ================ You've got to do your own growing, no matter how tall your grandfather was. -Irish Proverb

2000-06-15 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Denise <esined@jonroocostra.nl>)


Hiya Lisa, <snip> Lisa wrote: > Did you stay for Sunday as well? <lol> Does a bear shit in the woods? Oh yeah! > Therese and Allie put me on the train at > about 11.30 am and I felt really rough and I was veering between real > euphoria and real sadness about the weekend. Ah.... you poooor thing. I hadn't realized you "only" stayed the saturday... I remember the feeling all too well. Happened to Mieke and myself 2 years ago, driving back from Bonn Germany, where we saw him for the first time.. We drove back with a chakotay cardboard dummy (lifesize) on the backseat of my car. Had a hard time keeping my eyes on the road > I still cant believe that he was real, I know that it might sound odd, but > somehow you dont expect them > to be people. (ROTFLMAO) Didn't ya touch him???? > I had to be at work Sunday afternoon and half way through my > hangover seemed to double <g>, but I dont think I really recovered until > about Wednesday morning. Next time ask Robert for his cure of a hangover!! It involves raw eggs and tomatojuice and beer. Yuck! > I just hope he comes and does it again, so we can all meet up again :-) I wonder.... if he gets his wish, being killed off, we may not see him anymore. Even though he said on sunday he would still do these things, just not so often. Harumph.. Often.. yeah right... We had to wait a friggin year for him to get his ass back to Europe. -- hugs The niece ================ You've got to do your own growing, no matter how tall your grandfather was. -Irish Proverb

2000-06-15 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com>)


Denise wroteded: > We drove back with a chakotay cardboard dummy > (lifesize) on the backseat of my car. You actually kidnapped Beltran??? <eg>

2000-06-15 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (kaboom@7of.9)


On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 07:10:45 GMT, Steve Christianson <stevechristianson@yahoo.com> wrote: >X-No-Archive: yes > > > >kaboom@7of.9 wrote: >> >> >I could NOT resist, I could NOT resist...<g> >> >> **Uh oh, I *liked* Night of the Comet! It's fun. >> >> kaboomie > > >You just liked the brunette hottie. <g> **LOL! Ya got me! It still was a fun movie though :) kaboomie

2000-06-15 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:21:42 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" <dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: > >"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message >news:7b8dks4tbceh9cnhrfc9d0hl0fi7b7v9mc@4ax.com... >> On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:41:24 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" >> <dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >"Suzy" <suzy_j@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message >> >news:uUj15.7445$ov1.532920@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... >> >> >> >> JR is 31??? Wow can we say "sundamage" (meow) >> > >> >You BAD ;-) ....LOL! >> >> that Suzy-woman is mean!!!! > >LOL...she's tough! That's why she prefers the evil twin;-) >(not to mention spare spurs...) > well - she can have every single incarnation of Beltran... :-) Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-15 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On 15 Jun 2000 03:55:21 GMT, juli17@aol.com (Juli17) wrote: >> >>>It is two different things. >> >> Is it? Tell me, would you believe Tom Paris played by Brad >>Pitt if Pitt were to walk in suddenly halfway through the season? As >>it has been countlessly proven in soap operas where an actor will take >>on a character already established by someone prior to their entrance >>-- each actor puts a little of his understanding of the character into >>the portrayal of the said character. > >Yes, the actor puts a little of his understanding into a character. But the >actor is not the character. Is Anthony Hopkins anything like Hannibal Lecter? >Is Marina Sirtis anything like Deanna Troi (nothing like her)? Is Tim Russ >anything like Tuvok (no, he's far less reserved)? actually he *is* pretty reserved and needs to warm up to people before he's comfortable around them, which is one of the reasons why he has a prepared program he can rely on during guest talks when in front of large crowds... > Yes, they each have >mannerisms that come through in the character. But each is not their character >in either temperament or personality, on Star Trek or most other shows, >sometimes even the total opposite. >And if Brad Pitt played Tom Paris, certainly his own mannerisms and acting >style would come through, but if the writing was the same, Tom would >essentially be the same guy who tells jokes on the ship for the most part, with >just a rare glimpse of occasional development. Thanks to the writers, not the >actor. well... I'm sure many scenes could be played differently by different actors, thus providing different layers of characterization. One person also might read something into the script and play the scene one way because of that, while somebody else does not see it. Just imagine how Enberg would play Tuvok and you'll probably see what I mean... >I'm not aware that Jeri ever argued for that, while of course the rest of the >cast (down to almost every last one of them) did *complain* or *note* (choosing >which one seems to often depend on how you feel about a particular actor) that >the Seven/Jeri was overemphasized at the expense of the rest of the >characters/cast (who'd been together as a fairly even ensemble for three years >previous and felt pushed aside). > does: "sex sells" constitute anything other than a very general statement in your eyes? That's *all* Tim *ever* said about that topic. <snip> >I never said she didn't. In your post you were talking about the >actors/characters and I was responding to that. And I've agreed fully that >Tuvok is UNDERUTILIZED, more than once. The difference is in how Julianna and >I think the screentime should be redistributed. I think Jeri should get quite >a bit less, the Doc a little less, while Kate, Tom, Chakotay, Kim get about the >same as they are getting, with B'Elanna getting a little more, and Neelix and >Tuvok quite a bit more. > but that's not going to happen, and since certain characters got an increase of screentime at Tuvok's and Neelix's expenses it would be only fair to do things the other way around for a while and let *them* stand back so that the neglected ones can have something to do for a change... >That's all independent of decent character development of course (and >screentime is not directly related to character development, except when it is >so lacking the character can't develop). All the Voyager characters need more >real development and less wasted screentime, some just need screentime *at all* - not that they'll ever get it... (sarcastic mode off) > and some suffer more in that area >than others. > some suffer pretty badly while others are hardly affected at all... Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-15 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 06:57:37 GMT, "Suzy" <suzy_j@worldnet.att.net> wrote: > >Doreen Hartz wrote in message <8%X15.5178$ed7.1204287@homer.alpha.net>... >> >>"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>news:7b8dks4tbceh9cnhrfc9d0hl0fi7b7v9mc@4ax.com... >>> On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:41:24 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" >>> <dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: >>> >>> > >>> >"Suzy" <suzy_j@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message >>> >news:uUj15.7445$ov1.532920@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... >>> >> >>> >> she >>> >> >>had had a face lift.....LOL, not my perception at all! >>> >> >>> >> JR is 31??? Wow can we say "sundamage" (meow) >>> > >>> >You BAD ;-) ....LOL! >>> >>> that Suzy-woman is mean!!!! > >Excuse me I'm what??? And I thought I was a nice lady ;) > in a way you are :-) >> >>LOL...she's tough! That's why she prefers the evil twin;-) >>(not to mention spare spurs...) > >Damn straight I get the evil twin gf!!! And "yahoo" to the spare spurs! > the evil twin is all yours :-) Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-15 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 20:25:54 GMT, Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote: >> Oh you ain't seen NOTHIN' yet. Which of the two characters >>would you like to see me decimate first? Our token cigar store indian >>who only shows life when the termites eating away on the inside make >>their appearance through openings on his visage for a first officer? >>Or the sniveling closet-cased waspy blond boy who's attitude stinks of >>too many years working on the set of soap operas? > >I love that attitude of yours! :-) You'd be surprised what hanging around people like Cronan Thompson (RIP), Robin Cook, Franklin Hummel, William December Starr, and a few others will do for one's attitude towards television and science fiction on television. >>>Therefore, she uses negatives to put them >>>down, thinking perhaps it will elevate Tim Russ in everyone's >>>eyes. >> >> Nonsense. Utter nonsense. > >everybody on this ng has told her at least once,.... Not surprised. This particular approach to a debate is typical of someone not thinking clearly enough to see the forest through the trees. >>>It this is the case, it is sad that she does not realize >>>that this behavior will not Tim Russ, and could even harm his >>>career. >> >> And this translates to what precisely? There's something >>missing from this point, and for some reason that missing part is >>making the sentence seem more than a little nonsensical. >> >> However, the second part of it seems eminently clear. Tell me >>how the actions of one fan who has no direct nor indirect access to >>the star or his employers can hurt his career in Hollywood? >> >> Tell me -- do you actually buy into the conspiracy theory that >>the US Government has been in contact with aliens for decades now, and >>that it's aliens that have been running this country since 1950? >>Because if you don't, then the second part of your comment here is >>nothing more than unadulterated fabrication. > >ROTFLOL! I don't know what's more hilarious, the original post or your >reply to it, Merrick! :-) Oh you'd be surprised at the amount of paranoia I've had to put up with in some of the (IRC) channels and (Yahoo) Lounges I've had to put up with from some of the newbies when facing an old antagonist of the group. It's amazing one can converse intelligently at all online when one's too busy trying to look under every stone to find some Area 51 base underneath. And of course, I just love dancing around the paranoia by making sound even more unbelievable than it already is. The joys of camp, according to what people tell me.

2000-06-15 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 04:38:37 GMT, Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com> wrote: >Merrick Baldelli wroteded: >> >> Zabana Brandon wroteded: >> >> >Unless I'm grossly mistaken, NY Undercover was >> >cancelled a few seasons ago, lasting for a total >> >of 4 seasons. >> >> Weird.. According to IMDB -- it's still running. > >Dood ... don't take this the wrong way, but you're >actually quoting IMDB??? <g> They're pretty accurate most of the time. >> And I admitted I half looked, but considering that you're >> going this route, hold on a moment while I fire up my Browser O' >> Choice and see what I can come up with: >> >> Robert Beltran: 5 years (6 seasons) on Voyager* >> (*as a Native American) >> 19 years in the career/business >> >> Erik Estrada: 6 years (7 seasons) on CHiPs >> 28 years in the career/business >> >> Cheech Marin: 4 years (5 seasons) on Nash Bridges >> 22 years in the career/business >> >> Jimmy Smits: 5 years (6 seasons) on LA Law > >And a good stint of 4 years on NYPD Blue (okay >so like 3 and a half). Like I said earlier, I didn't check that one out.... Oh pretty.... Correction time: Jimmy Smits: 5 years (6 seasons) on LA Law 4 years (5 seasons) on NYPD Blue 16 years in the career/business >> 16 years in the career/business >> >> A Martinez: 2 years (3 seasons) on LA Law >> 29 years in the career/business > >Also a recurrring on PROFILER (not that that's really >high profile). I've always liked him. One of the >best reasons (along with Marcy Walker, Robin Wright, >and Lane Davies) to watch the old soap SANTA BARBARA. I tried to avoid re-occurring characters, because then it would truly get messy... Which is why I included the total time in the business instead... >> Ricardo Montalban: 6 years (7 seasons) on Fantasy Island >> 58 years in the career/business >> >> Dezi Arnez 6 years (7 seasons) on I Love Lucy >> 42 years in the career/industry >> >> Cesar Romero 2 years (3 seasons) on Batman >> 2 years (3 seasons) on Falcon Crest >> 61 years in the business >> >> As I see it, I think that the grasp for Most Prominent Latino >> Actor on Television today seems a bit paltry don't you think? >> Especially when compared to Dezi Arnez, Ricardo Montalban and even >> Erik Estrada. > >Severly lacking in exposure. And we both missed >Edward James Olmos (Miami Vice). Though I think >the Oriental community is lacking even more than >the Latinos. Oh lookie -- another correction: Edward James Olmos: 5 years (6 seasons) on Miami Vice 25 years in the career/business I have to admit that when I hit this site on the internet that had a listing of prominent Latino Actors in the business, EJO was definitely listed near the top. Had I looked a little more carefully at his Filmography, I may have actually come across his stint on Miami Vice. I tried to keep to the "on television" portion of the criteria. Had I went straight for movies alone, Martin Sheen (Estevez) along with his two extremely bratty children would've been listed here as well.

2000-06-15 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On 15 Jun 2000 03:55:21 GMT, juli17@aol.com (Juli17) wrote: >Yes, the actor puts a little of his understanding into a character. But the >actor is not the character. Is Anthony Hopkins anything like Hannibal Lecter? >Is Marina Sirtis anything like Deanna Troi (nothing like her)? Is Tim Russ >anything like Tuvok (no, he's far less reserved)? Yes, they each have >mannerisms that come through in the character. But each is not their character >in either temperament or personality, on Star Trek or most other shows, >sometimes even the total opposite. >And if Brad Pitt played Tom Paris, certainly his own mannerisms and acting >style would come through, but if the writing was the same, Tom would >essentially be the same guy who tells jokes on the ship for the most part, with >just a rare glimpse of occasional development. Thanks to the writers, not the >actor. You can also say Brad might act Tom Paris better (if you feel that is >the case), but that still doesn't reflect on who the actor is as a person, only >as an actor. Are you justifying your reasons why you like them, or are you listening to what I was saying about their interpretations of the role (and the lack thereof)? And contrary to what you think but more popular people will invoke more positive responses from their peers and the viewing audience than someone less popular or well-known. I seem to recall how scathing the fans were of Robert Leeshock when he replaced Kevin Kilner (in an entirely different character role) because Kilner was better known, and Leeshock wasn't. >> And let's not forget nepotism, or favoritism which Hollywood >>is notoriously known to be run by. This isn't an equal opportunity >>world in Tinsel Town. If someone on the production staff so much as >>LIKES one of the actors on the set, I guarantee you that the >>production staff will do everything in their power to provide focus on >>the character. > >True. I think I said "like," in my sentence, so we agree. There's a difference between LIKE and FAVORTISM. One is not always the obvious conclusion to the other. >>>Jeri Ryan has far more stories for her character than Tim Russ or Ethan >>>Phillips for instance (and her character gets more to do even when she's >>>a secondary figure in the storyline than any of the others do). >> >> Of course Jeri Ryan's divorce and now dating Brannon Braga has >>positively nothing to do with her being the focus of so many stories >>either, does it? > >Yes it probably does, and I never said it didn't. I was just being tactful >using the word "like" instead of "sleep with." Tactful? Your attack on Julianna wasn't tactful. My attack on you was. Can you tell me what the differences are? >>>However I don't blame Jeri or think she even has much to do with the >>>fact that her character is heavily emphasized. UPN and TPTB like >>>the character, thus the character is seen more, and Jeri gets more >>>screentime. >> >> I don't think she's entirely sinless about it either, knowing >>full well she's sharing the bed with the Supervising/Associate >>Producer, who happens to also be a very close personal friend of the >>Executive Producer. > >Maybe not. But Seven was heavily emphasized in Season 4 before she slept with >Braga. You mean before you KNEW she was sleeping with Braga and it was up for public consumption. By the time the news was ready for public consumption, the stage of their relationship was extremely comfortable. This is typically indicative of something having started farther into the past than it actually was. It's typically well known that the only reason why such couplings go public in Hollyweird, is because the couple isn't sure they can keep the secret from getting out too much longer. You have no idea on how far into the past they're relationship started, AND if I were to use a general rule of thumb as to what I've come to realize of Tinseltown relationships -- it had probably started from about the moment Jeri Ryan walked onto the set. >And I don't know if it would be reasonable to expect any of the actors, >Jeri included, to say "Oh, I have too much screentime, this isn't fair" and >hand over their screentime to someone else. Are any of them going to do that? Sin is sin. Doesn't matter whether they admit to it publicly or silently. You're simply attempting to eschew the point being made. >> I've given you one such obvious and blatant flow-chart of the >>associations and friendships (and even relationships) of what's going >>on behind-the-scenes of Star Trek: Voyager. I can certainly imagine >>there are more going on, considering the things that have been posted >>here regarding what Beltran's been saying at the conventions, along >>with some of the other actor's comments. >> You also confuse something else about Julianna's gripes. She >>does indeed do a great amount of focus on TPTB and their throwing >>Tuvok/Russ to the side. In fact, I seem to recall reading through >>quite a few messages from Julianna stating it quite plainly how Tuvok >>is UNDERUTILIZED. UNDERUTILIZED in a show or motion picture is a >>direct attack against the writers and producers. > >I never said she didn't. In your post you were talking about the >actors/characters and I was responding to that. And I've agreed fully that >Tuvok is UNDERUTILIZED, more than once. The difference is in how Julianna and >I think the screentime should be redistributed. Why shouldn't she? If we were to use TOS as a model -- the Vulcan did indeed get a hell of a lot of screen time. Moreso than the ENTIRE supporting cast COMBINED. And as it's been stated by Taylor, and later Berman and Braga, "...Voyager is a going back to the Star Trek roots of story Trek storytelling telling...." (paraphrased) Would cutting out the Vulcan, the voice of reason, to the Captain's (the voice of passion) be a return to Star Trek's roots? The answer to this is unequivocally NO. Basically, Voyager did nothing but guild the lily and think they could tell a better story than TOS did 25 years later. And guess what? They couldn't. Based on today's ratings of the show to TOS, I would think that it's ratings are even more abysmal than TOS'. >I think Jeri should get quite a bit less, the Doc a little less, while >Kate, Tom, Chakotay, Kim get about the same as they are getting, with >B'Elanna getting a little more, and Neelix and Tuvok quite a bit more. You're opinion of course.. Doesn't mean it should negate her opinion in the least. >That's all independent of decent character development of course (and >screentime is not directly related to character development, except when it is >so lacking the character can't develop). All the Voyager characters need more >real development and less wasted screentime, and some suffer more in that area >than others. And on that -- you'll find -- most people here agree with the sentiment.

2000-06-15 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 18:12:11 -0400, "TheFlinx" <theFlinxx@yahoo.com> wrote: >Merrick Baldelli wrote in message ... > >> As I see it, I think that the grasp for Most Prominent Latino >>Actor on Television today seems a bit paltry don't you think? >>Especially when compared to Dezi Arnez, Ricardo Montalban and even >>Erik Estrada. > >Hey, what about the guy from NYPD Blue? Forgot to check that show, along with Miami Vice because I don't normally watch either of them. I may amend those two shows in a moment, depending on what I see in the other responses.

2000-06-15 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 17:35:36 -0500, Bill Crawford <koichi@fastlane.net> wrote: >Luckily for me, I've never seen the entire film. And definitely >not the bit with Dylan's butt. I gather it'd be something like >seeing Pierce Brosnan's derriere in 'Demons'...does absolutely >sh<beep>t for me. :) Same here... I hate a man way too much shorter than me. It makes me feel like I'm dating a boy.

2000-06-15 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 20:24:06 GMT, Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote: >Hey, look who'S back!!!!!!!! Another one of the newsgroup elders who >was there long before I arrived... Heh, you people keep calling me Elder, and I swear I'm going to be changing my online name to Kosh (or Ulkesh, considering I'm more like him and less benevolent, like Kosh). >if only you could convince me that he *won't* be considered a major >star after VOY is over, and that his less than stellar acting will be >a factor for whether or not he can be hired... Considering his "career" (for lack of a better word) prior to Voyager, and considering that people's careers after working in the Star Trek Universe, I wouldn't be too worried of him sky rocketing to the top of the heap in Hollyweird.

2000-06-15 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 16:59:41 -0400, Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com> wrote: >On 14 Jun 2000 02:34:42 GMT, juli17@aol.com (Juli17) wrote: > > Yes, because one cannot exist without the other, without the >character being changed. > >>It is two different things. > > Is it? Tell me, would you believe Tom Paris played by Brad >Pitt if Pitt were to walk in suddenly halfway through the season? As >it has been countlessly proven in soap operas where an actor will take >on a character already established by someone prior to their entrance >-- each actor puts a little of his understanding of the character into >the portrayal of the said character. > this is actually a *very* valid point... >>As for who gets more screentime, the actors have virtually no say in >>it. The producers/writers write the scripts and highlight the characters that >>they "like" or "find easiest to write" or whatever their reasoning. > > And let's not forget nepotism, or favoritism which Hollywood >is notoriously known to be run by. This isn't an equal opportunity >world in Tinsel Town. If someone on the production staff so much as >LIKES one of the actors on the set, I guarantee you that the >production staff will do everything in their power to provide focus on >the character. > *cough* Jeri Taylor and Robert Beltran *cough* >>Jeri Ryan has far more stories for her character than Tim Russ or Ethan >>Phillips for instance (and her character gets more to do even when she's >>a secondary figure in the storyline than any of the others do). > > Of course Jeri Ryan's divorce and now dating Brannon Braga has >positively nothing to do with her being the focus of so many stories >either, does it? 30 years ago, such scandal (as it was proven on the >TOS set with Roddenberry and Barrett) would force the upper-echelon >suits to step in and say no. Nowadays, it seems that the same >upper-echelon simply turn away and act as though it's nothing more >than some big, pink elephant. > >>However I don't blame Jeri or think she even has much to do with the >>fact that her character is heavily emphasized. UPN and TPTB like >>the character, thus the character is seen more, and Jeri gets more >>screentime. > > I don't think she's entirely sinless about it either, knowing >full well she's sharing the bed with the Supervising/Associate >Producer, who happens to also be a very close personal friend of the >Executive Producer. > >>Basically, the amount of screentime each of the actors get depends on >>how much TPTB decide to give them. There's little point in resenting >>any of the actors over screentime when they have so little to do >>with it. > > I've given you one such obvious and blatant flow-chart of the >associations and friendships (and even relationships) of what's going >on behind-the-scenes of Star Trek: Voyager. I can certainly imagine >there are more going on, considering the things that have been posted >here regarding what Beltran's been saying at the conventions, along >with some of the other actor's comments. > > You also confuse something else about Julianna's gripes. She >does indeed do a great amount of focus on TPTB and their throwing >Tuvok/Russ to the side. In fact, I seem to recall reading through >quite a few messages from Julianna stating it quite plainly how Tuvok >is UNDERUTILIZED. UNDERUTILIZED in a show or motion picture is a >direct attack against the writers and producers. > exactly - thanks for making that clear! :-) Some people always feel like I'm threatening *their* darlings... :-) Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-15 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:11:42 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >Julianna wrote > >> > >> >Bullshit! I said a couple of people remember the tattoo, they have no >idea >> >who he is or what he looks like. I'm equally sure if I'd have said the >> >black guy who plays the Vulcan with the pointy ears they would have had >the >> >same reaction or if I'd have said the woman with the breasts and the cat >> >suit. >> >> that, most definitely... :-) > >and dont ignore what I said about Tim as well, its possible with most actors >on a show to describe them in a way that people will recognise without >knowing the character. > not so sure - after all, Tim is seen a *lot* less than the others, he's more like an irregular, or recurring cameo-guest nowadays, not somebody one would pay attention to if one saw the series just once or twice... <snip> >> >Its a very trendy breakfast time show. Used to be presented by Chris >Evans >> >and Gaby Roslin with Paula Yates(ex wife of Bob Geldof) doing the >interviews >> >in bed with people, >> >> ???? You mean they interviewed Tim in bed?????? > >Not sure as I never saw it , but its how they always used to do it when I >watched it, it was pretty famous for it over here. hmmm... sounds like an interesting show... >> >which is incidentally where she met Michael Hutchence >> >who she ran off with, anyway , it has a good audience, although I dont >> >watch it anymore and Tim was on, it generated a fair amount of publicity >and >> >I saw a fair few posts in different ngs about the fact that he was on. >So >> >there you go, Tim got publicity from being on Voyager, who'd have >believed >> >it. >> >> Umm.. you just said the publicity came from being on that breakfast >> show... *not* from Voyager. And was he even interviewed about Voyager? >> Or had it more to do with his new CD and the fact he was doing >> concerts in the UK??? > >The only reason he would have been asked to appear would have been because >of Voyager, he may have been doing his CD tour at the time, but that >wouldhave little relevance unless there was something else of interest about >him. There must be hundreds of actors who produce cd's. > there are not that many. And I'd imagine that a guy touring the country with a concert program would have a whole lot of a greater impact on this country's cultural scene than somebody who's rarely ever seen on a show that nobody watches anyway... :-) Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-15 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Allie Andrews <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk>)


Denise <esined@jonroocostra.nl> wrote in message news:3948177C.FCBD0DD6@jonroocostra.nl... > Was it only 3 days ago we had such a good time?? Wow. Imagine us having to get > up around 5 am UGH.. to get the car back on the train, through the tunnel and > back to the "continent"....... > Zombies on the road...... deeply sunk in thought....reliving parts of the > weekend. You poor things! I found it hard enough getting on a train for 40mins to get home! How was your friend with the HUGE hangover? It really does seem like ages ago though.........................I wish we could do it all again this weekend! Allie x

2000-06-15 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Denise" <esined@jonroocostra.nl> wrote in message news:3948177C.FCBD0DD6@jonroocostra.nl... > ALLIE!!!!!!!!!!! good to see you too!! > > I've been known to post here, when the dead sea was still sick <lol> > But since you all convinced me, that this is still a nice place to hang > around, I thought I'd give > it another try.... LOL, it sure it fun here and we Beltranistas need all the support we can get <g> > > Was it only 3 days ago we had such a good time?? Wow. Imagine us having to get > up around 5 am UGH.. to get the car back on the train, through the tunnel and > back to the "continent"....... > Zombies on the road...... deeply sunk in thought....reliving parts of the > weekend. Did you stay for Sunday as well? Therese and Allie put me on the train at about 11.30 am and I felt really rough and I was veering between real euphoria and real sadness about the weekend. I still cant believe that he was real, I know that it might sound odd, but somehow you dont expect them to be people. I had to be at work Sunday afternoon and half way through my hangover seemed to double <g>, but I dont think I really recovered until about Wednesday morning. I just hope he comes and does it again, so we can all meet up again :-) Lisa

2000-06-15 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:q08dkssdr8lqkhuf2pggpit0gpvqo17it3@4ax.com... > On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:19:04 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: > > > > >"Steve Christianson" <stevechristianson@yahoo.com> wrote in message > >news:39464E6B.45EA@yahoo.com... > >> X-No-Archive: yes > >> > >> > >> > >> Lisa wrote: > >> > > >> > Steve wrote > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > See? When your biggest flick is "Night of the Comet" the translation > >is: > >> > > loser. > >> > > >> > :-(((((((( > >> > >> > >> I could NOT resist, I could NOT resist...<g> > > > >You are a big meanie!!!!! > > > >When will Robert get his chance? > > > > He has *every* chance in the world - if he doesn't make the best use > of it and hits it big time after Voyager he's a complete fool... LOL!

2000-06-15 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (juli17@aol.com)


> >>It is two different things. > > Is it? Tell me, would you believe Tom Paris played by Brad >Pitt if Pitt were to walk in suddenly halfway through the season? As >it has been countlessly proven in soap operas where an actor will take >on a character already established by someone prior to their entrance >-- each actor puts a little of his understanding of the character into >the portrayal of the said character. Yes, the actor puts a little of his understanding into a character. But the actor is not the character. Is Anthony Hopkins anything like Hannibal Lecter? Is Marina Sirtis anything like Deanna Troi (nothing like her)? Is Tim Russ anything like Tuvok (no, he's far less reserved)? Yes, they each have mannerisms that come through in the character. But each is not their character in either temperament or personality, on Star Trek or most other shows, sometimes even the total opposite. And if Brad Pitt played Tom Paris, certainly his own mannerisms and acting style would come through, but if the writing was the same, Tom would essentially be the same guy who tells jokes on the ship for the most part, with just a rare glimpse of occasional development. Thanks to the writers, not the actor. You can also say Brad might act Tom Paris better (if you feel that is the case), but that still doesn't reflect on who the actor is as a person, only as an actor. >>As for who gets more screentime, the actors have virtually no say in >>it. The producers/writers write the scripts and highlight the characters >that >>they "like" or "find easiest to write" or whatever their reasoning. > And let's not forget nepotism, or favoritism which Hollywood >is notoriously known to be run by. This isn't an equal opportunity >world in Tinsel Town. If someone on the production staff so much as >LIKES one of the actors on the set, I guarantee you that the >production staff will do everything in their power to provide focus on >the character. True. I think I said "like," in my sentence, so we agree. >>Jeri Ryan has far more stories for her character than Tim Russ or Ethan >>Phillips for instance (and her character gets more to do even when she's >>a secondary figure in the storyline than any of the others do). > > Of course Jeri Ryan's divorce and now dating Brannon Braga has >positively nothing to do with her being the focus of so many stories >either, does it? Yes it probably does, and I never said it didn't. I was just being tactful using the word "like" instead of "sleep with." 30 years ago, such scandal (as it was proven on the >TOS set with Roddenberry and Barrett) would force the upper-echelon >suits to step in and say no. Nowadays, it seems that the same >upper-echelon simply turn away and act as though it's nothing more >than some big, pink elephant. No disagreement. >>However I don't blame Jeri or think she even has much to do with the >>fact that her character is heavily emphasized. UPN and TPTB like >>the character, thus the character is seen more, and Jeri gets more >>screentime. > > I don't think she's entirely sinless about it either, knowing >full well she's sharing the bed with the Supervising/Associate >Producer, who happens to also be a very close personal friend of the >Executive Producer. Maybe not. But Seven was heavily emphasized in Season 4 before she slept with Braga. And I don't know if it would be reasonable to expect any of the actors, Jeri included, to say "Oh, I have too much screentime, this isn't fair" and hand over their screentime to someone else. Are any of them going to do that? I'm not aware that Jeri ever argued for that, while of course the rest of the cast (down to almost every last one of them) did *complain* or *note* (choosing which one seems to often depend on how you feel about a particular actor) that the Seven/Jeri was overemphasized at the expense of the rest of the characters/cast (who'd been together as a fairly even ensemble for three years previous and felt pushed aside). >>Basically, the amount of screentime each of the actors get depends on >>how much TPTB decide to give them. There's little point in resenting >>any of the actors over screentime when they have so little to do >>with it. > > I've given you one such obvious and blatant flow-chart of the >associations and friendships (and even relationships) of what's going >on behind-the-scenes of Star Trek: Voyager. I can certainly imagine >there are more going on, considering the things that have been posted >here regarding what Beltran's been saying at the conventions, along >with some of the other actor's comments. > You also confuse something else about Julianna's gripes. She >does indeed do a great amount of focus on TPTB and their throwing >Tuvok/Russ to the side. In fact, I seem to recall reading through >quite a few messages from Julianna stating it quite plainly how Tuvok >is UNDERUTILIZED. UNDERUTILIZED in a show or motion picture is a >direct attack against the writers and producers. > I never said she didn't. In your post you were talking about the actors/characters and I was responding to that. And I've agreed fully that Tuvok is UNDERUTILIZED, more than once. The difference is in how Julianna and I think the screentime should be redistributed. I think Jeri should get quite a bit less, the Doc a little less, while Kate, Tom, Chakotay, Kim get about the same as they are getting, with B'Elanna getting a little more, and Neelix and Tuvok quite a bit more. That's all independent of decent character development of course (and screentime is not directly related to character development, except when it is so lacking the character can't develop). All the Voyager characters need more real development and less wasted screentime, and some suffer more in that area than others. Julie Julie

2000-06-15 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com>)


David B. wroteded: > Zabana Brandon wrote: > > Merrick Baldelli wroteded: > > > Julianna wrote: > > > > > >how many other latino actors do you see on a > > > weekly basis on a TV show? For 7 years in a row????? > > > > > > How long did New York Undercover run? > > > DeLorenzo was on it for 3 years, but Velez is > > > still on it according to the IMDB listing, and > > > it's going on what, 6 years in a better time > > > slot and network? > > > > Unless I'm grossly mistaken, NY Undercover was > > cancelled a few seasons ago, lasting for a total > > of 4 seasons. > > > > But as for how many shows that prominently > > portray Latino characters, two cited examples > > don't amount to very much considering the > > dirth of material out there. > > NYPD Blue had a Puerto Rican character however > he was played by an Italian American actor > and Homicide had an Italian American character > played by a Latino actor. Weird. That's TV land for you. I can't even believe I forgot to mention Jimmy Smits ... who's easily the highest profile Latino actor. Or Edward James Olmos.

2000-06-15 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com>)


Merrick Baldelli wroteded: > > Zabana Brandon wroteded: > > >Unless I'm grossly mistaken, NY Undercover was > >cancelled a few seasons ago, lasting for a total > >of 4 seasons. > > Weird.. According to IMDB -- it's still running. Dood ... don't take this the wrong way, but you're actually quoting IMDB??? <g> > >But as for how many shows that prominently > >portray Latino characters, two cited examples > >don't amount to very much considering the > >dirth of material out there. > > And I admitted I half looked, but considering that you're > going this route, hold on a moment while I fire up my Browser O' > Choice and see what I can come up with: > > Robert Beltran: 5 years (6 seasons) on Voyager* > (*as a Native American) > 19 years in the career/business > > Erik Estrada: 6 years (7 seasons) on CHiPs > 28 years in the career/business > > Cheech Marin: 4 years (5 seasons) on Nash Bridges > 22 years in the career/business > > Jimmy Smits: 5 years (6 seasons) on LA Law And a good stint of 4 years on NYPD Blue (okay so like 3 and a half). > 16 years in the career/business > > A Martinez: 2 years (3 seasons) on LA Law > 29 years in the career/business Also a recurrring on PROFILER (not that that's really high profile). I've always liked him. One of the best reasons (along with Marcy Walker, Robin Wright, and Lane Davies) to watch the old soap SANTA BARBARA. > Ricardo Montalban: 6 years (7 seasons) on Fantasy Island > 58 years in the career/business > > Dezi Arnez 6 years (7 seasons) on I Love Lucy > 42 years in the career/industry > > Cesar Romero 2 years (3 seasons) on Batman > 2 years (3 seasons) on Falcon Crest > 61 years in the business > > As I see it, I think that the grasp for Most Prominent Latino > Actor on Television today seems a bit paltry don't you think? > Especially when compared to Dezi Arnez, Ricardo Montalban and even > Erik Estrada. Severly lacking in exposure. And we both missed Edward James Olmos (Miami Vice). Though I think the Oriental community is lacking even more than the Latinos.

2000-06-15 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Suzy <suzy_j@worldnet.att.net>)


Doreen Hartz wrote in message <8%X15.5178$ed7.1204287@homer.alpha.net>... > >"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message >news:7b8dks4tbceh9cnhrfc9d0hl0fi7b7v9mc@4ax.com... >> On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:41:24 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" >> <dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >"Suzy" <suzy_j@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message >> >news:uUj15.7445$ov1.532920@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yes he was very handsome in person and did not look his age at all!!! >> > >> >No disagreeing here...was having a hard time concentrating for a while! >> >> had no such problems... :-) >> >> >> > >> >> >IMO he looks like 20 older than TR... >> >> >> >> So that means TR looks 24 that RB *is* 44. So the man does look his >age >> >> after all :) >> > >> >There you...both sides happy... >> > >> >> LOL! >> >> >> >>But once again, it's all a matter of perception...Someone I was >chatting >> >> >>with last night was astounded Jeri Ryan was only 31 or 32, and asked >if >> >> she >> >> >>had had a face lift.....LOL, not my perception at all! >> >> >> >> JR is 31??? Wow can we say "sundamage" (meow) >> > >> >You BAD ;-) ....LOL! >> >> that Suzy-woman is mean!!!! Excuse me I'm what??? And I thought I was a nice lady ;) > >LOL...she's tough! That's why she prefers the evil twin;-) >(not to mention spare spurs...) Damn straight I get the evil twin gf!!! And "yahoo" to the spare spurs! > >Doreen Suzy ( the mean women er lady) > > >

2000-06-15 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Denise <esined@jonroocostra.nl>)


ALLIE!!!!!!!!!!! good to see you too!! I've been known to post here, when the dead sea was still sick <lol> But since you all convinced me, that this is still a nice place to hang around, I thought I'd give it another try.... Was it only 3 days ago we had such a good time?? Wow. Imagine us having to get up around 5 am UGH.. to get the car back on the train, through the tunnel and back to the "continent"....... Zombies on the road...... deeply sunk in thought....reliving parts of the weekend. Robert Beltran wrote: ARGHH.... trying to give me a friggin heartattack.... -- hugs The niece ================ You've got to do your own growing, no matter how tall your grandfather was. -Irish Proverb

2000-06-15 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Denise <esined@jonroocostra.nl>)


<snip> Steve Christianson wrote: > > and Stevie!!! <wags finger> Do NOT corrupt these ladies while talking to > > them on the phone and the oddest hour <lol> > > <innocent look> Who's to say they weren't corrupting me? After having met these lovely young ladies... that's very feasable Steve! You poor poor suffering man -- hugs The niece ================ You've got to do your own growing, no matter how tall your grandfather was. -Irish Proverb

2000-06-16 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (kaboom@7of.9)


On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:10:11 GMT, Steve Christianson <stevechristianson@yahoo.com> wrote: >X-No-Archive: yes > > > >kaboom@7of.9 wrote: >> >> On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 07:10:45 GMT, Steve Christianson >> <stevechristianson@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >X-No-Archive: yes >> > >> > >> > >> >kaboom@7of.9 wrote: >> >> >> >> >I could NOT resist, I could NOT resist...<g> >> >> >> >> **Uh oh, I *liked* Night of the Comet! It's fun. >> >> >> >> kaboomie >> > >> > >> >You just liked the brunette hottie. <g> >> >> **LOL! Ya got me! It still was a fun movie though :) > > >Wasn't her name Catherine Mary Stuart? **Yea! I couldn't remember her name, I kept thinking Mary Stuart Masterson for some reason. >Anyway, I agree, it was a fun movie. Just not much of a pinnacle for >one's acting career. :-) **It was for Beltran :) kaboomie

2000-06-16 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:10:33 GMT, Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com> wrote: >Merrick Baldelli wroteded: > >> I tried to keep to the "on television" >> portion of the criteria. Had I went straight >> for movies alone, Martin Sheen (Estevez) along >> with his two extremely bratty children would've >> been listed here as well. > >Martin Sheen is Latino? Yes. >And as for any tv profile for the brats ... >Charlie Sheen is gonna have the lead on >SPIN CITY next season. <g> Which is next season, which means he didn't quite qualify in the criteria.

2000-06-16 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:37:26 GMT, Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote: [snippety-do-da] >exactly - thanks for making that clear! :-) >Some people always feel like I'm threatening *their* darlings... :-) But you are Blanche, you are. You're forcing them to have to consider that not everyone shares their opinion on their heros and idols. It's never a fun process dealing with the realities that one man's hero is another man's villain.

2000-06-16 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com>)


Merrick Baldelli wroteded: > Zabana Brandon wrote: > >Martin Sheen is Latino? > > Yes. I honestly did not know that.

2000-06-16 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On 16 Jun 2000 05:12:09 GMT, juli17@aol.com (Juli17) wrote: >>> >>> You also confuse something else about Julianna's gripes. She >>>does indeed do a great amount of focus on TPTB and their throwing >>>Tuvok/Russ to the side. In fact, I seem to recall reading through >>>quite a few messages from Julianna stating it quite plainly how Tuvok >>>is UNDERUTILIZED. UNDERUTILIZED in a show or motion picture is a >>>direct attack against the writers and producers. >>> >> >>exactly - thanks for making that clear! :-) >>Some people always feel like I'm threatening *their* darlings... :-) >> >>Julianna >> > >Jeez, after all this time, do you really think I consider any of the actors my >*darlings*? And haven't I agreed, more than once, that Tuvok is certainly >underutilized? That was always clear to me, as were your posts on that >subject. > sometimes I *do* get the impression you attack me personally for my opinion regarding Tommy/RDM... Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-16 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:29:33 GMT, "Suzy" <suzy_j@worldnet.att.net> wrote: > >Julianna Feigl wrote in message ... >>On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:21:42 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" >><dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: >> >>> >>>"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>news:7b8dks4tbceh9cnhrfc9d0hl0fi7b7v9mc@4ax.com... >>>> On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:41:24 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" >>>> <dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> > >>>> >"Suzy" <suzy_j@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message >>>> >news:uUj15.7445$ov1.532920@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... >>>> >> >> >>>> >> JR is 31??? Wow can we say "sundamage" (meow) >>>> > >>>> >You BAD ;-) ....LOL! >>>> >>>> that Suzy-woman is mean!!!! >>> >>>LOL...she's tough! That's why she prefers the evil twin;-) >>>(not to mention spare spurs...) >>> >> >>well - she can have every single incarnation of Beltran... :-) > >Thanks Julianna but, I sure my gf would want me to share him and since I am >a nice-lady would be happy to share "your part" with Doreen. ;) > >> >>Julianna >>-------- >>Tuvok: >>The main reason to watch Voyager! > >Suzy ( gf you can have his "cold eyes" Julianna gave her part back <VBEG>) > ROTFLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-16 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 07:30:16 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: > >"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message >news:chdikso4u5k7qfub3ummrgue59uar5a08a@4ax.com... >> On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:21:42 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" >> <dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> >news:7b8dks4tbceh9cnhrfc9d0hl0fi7b7v9mc@4ax.com... >> >> On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:41:24 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" >> >> <dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >"Suzy" <suzy_j@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message >> >> >news:uUj15.7445$ov1.532920@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> JR is 31??? Wow can we say "sundamage" (meow) >> >> > >> >> >You BAD ;-) ....LOL! >> >> >> >> that Suzy-woman is mean!!!! >> > >> >LOL...she's tough! That's why she prefers the evil twin;-) >> >(not to mention spare spurs...) >> > >> >> well - she can have every single incarnation of Beltran... :-) >> > >LOL, for him cloning should be made legal and we could all have one each<g> > > NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Leave me alone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I *DON'TTTTTTTTT* want one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-16 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:00:49 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >I'm going to try so hard to win the lottery now so that I can go to the >Galaxy Ball, I would love to meet up with everyone again, especially Doreen >as we've never met. > I'd like to meet her as well, though I'm not all that crazy about the Galaxy Ball... >> >> > I still cant believe that he was real, I know that it might sound odd, >but >> > somehow you dont expect them >> > to be people. >> >> (ROTFLMAO) Didn't ya touch him???? > >Um, yeah, frequently <g>. I showed a friend at school my photo yesterday of >me having my autograph taken with him and she enquired if I had ever heard >of "personal space", she said if I'd have got any closer I'd have been in >his lap <g>. I have the most simple look on my face, as if I'm just too >gone to believe I was with him! > Jeez, Lisa! He's just an ordinary guy! > >I hope he does, I really hope he comes to Blackpool next year with Kate and >Robbie, I bet Brian got him to sign a contract last weekend... >Jules seems to think that Tim will be there as well a friend told me that Tim will probably be there and Tim himself seems to have mentioned that he might be there at one of his UK-appearances - at least according to an article at his webpage. >and I know they >are hoping for the whole cast. I've already asked Peter about this and I >think we will be coming en famille and all going . I f Peter cant come >because of work, I shall come and bring the kids, I'm not going to miss out >on Robert again and I promised Allie that I would go with her and drool over >Robbies arse with her <g> > sounds like poor Tim will feel *very* neglected and lonely if indeed he does come... :-(((((((((( >LOL, what can I say, we are just too shallow for words <g> > >> >> Harumph.. Often.. yeah right... We had to wait a friggin year for him to >get his >> ass back to Europe. > >I know :-( > >Mind you he did say when Voyager was finished he would have more time to do >these things, so maybe he will. he#ll probably be showered with invitations anyway... Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-16 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:35:31 -0400, "TheFlinx" <theFlinxx@yahoo.com> wrote: >Martin Sheen is the star of the Best TV show on the air right now, "The >West Wing" (if you have not seen it, catch it from the beginning on reruns >on NBC) and son Charley is taking over the MJ Fox series "Spin City" so >you'd better include them. For Martin Sheen, it has only been one season, so I hedged it for actors that had more years on television. And Charley starts next year, which meant it would be 0 years, 1 season on television.

2000-06-16 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On 16 Jun 2000 04:19:12 GMT, juli17@aol.com (Juli17) wrote: >> >> Tactful? Your attack on Julianna wasn't tactful. My attack >>on you was. Can you tell me what the differences are? > >Are you serious? I didn't "attack" Julianna. And I wasn't aware that you >considered yourself to be "attacking" me, until now. I thought we were just >having a conversation. The only "differences" I saw were differences of >opinion. Attack is a word that gets attention, and I'm well known for using it liberally. Most people use the word(s) debate, or (their side of the) argument as a means of shading over what it is they're doing during the act of defending one's point of view or disproving the opposition's tactics. It's what people nowadays call "being civilized". I tend not to like to play that game of "being civilized" because to me, it carries the same inferences and mannerisms of being bitter and adding an emoticon to the end of it in order to make it appear as a humorous comment. The only time I play by the rules of "being civilized" is when I'm out to prove a point against the hypocritical, in which case He Who Should Not Be Mentioned (tm), Actually, your comment (or opinion, as you are using the tactics of "Being civilized") as to Julianna's mode of operation hit closer to her person, stating and implying that she's out to destroy credibility of actors or persons because her favorite actor or person isn't being properly being displayed within the show. It was obvious to this reader that you were having a problem distinguishing between obsession and a one person crusade, thinking it more the former and less the latter. By the way, if you want to see me in all my dark glory when I truly attack someone, ask Rob Rey or Steve Christianson or even He Who Shan't Be Named, what it is to be on the receiving end of one of my flames. >? >I never said my opinion negated Julianna's. In any way. I simply said we had >a difference of opinion. Did you now? Then what was this about you saying something to the extent that Julianna's attacks on the other actors could possibly perhaps hurt Russ' career or better acceptance of Tuvok as a character? Is this the actions of discussing an opinion, or a slander shaded as an opinion against one particular person to prove your opinion more valid than hers by invalidating the person due to her passions?

2000-06-16 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com>)


Allie Andrews wroteded: > Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com> > > > You actually kidnapped Beltran??? > > > > > > <eg> > > No silly, she clearly said Chakotay. You really > need to learn to distingush fact from fiction <VBEG> Huh? I don't understand your crazy moon language.

2000-06-16 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com>)


DBR wroteded: > Allie Andrews wrote: > > Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com> > > > > > You actually kidnapped Beltran??? > > > > > > > > > <eg> > > > > No silly, she clearly said Chakotay. You > > really need to learn to distingush > > fact from fiction <VBEG> > > Yeah silly Zab! get with the program! I'm in the holodeck? > <Hops back onto throne> Hope you've got a good magazine to read while you're there ...

2000-06-16 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Allie Andrews <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk>)


Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote > LOL, I got asked the same thing as well!!! I found out as well that a woman > I have known for 5 1/2 years through playgroups and school and stand with > every day is also an RB fan, she was so gobsmacked at what I did that she > couldn't believe it. I now have someone I can talk about with him at school > every day. She also admitted that much as she likes RB and Patrick Stewart > that her biggest soft spot is for Robbie <g> Tell her from me she is a woman of impeccable taste! Although I have to point out that Patrick Stewart is a god Allie ox

2000-06-16 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Allie Andrews" <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:8icua2$598$1@plutonium.compulink.co.uk... > > Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote > > > > What??? You mean Chakotay and Beltran arent the same thing???? That > would > > explain why there was no tattoo <g> > > > > LOL > > Someone at work actually asked me if he had his tattoo at the weekend!!! > LOL, I got asked the same thing as well!!! I found out as well that a woman I have known for 5 1/2 years through playgroups and school and stand with every day is also an RB fan, she was so gobsmacked at what I did that she couldn't believe it. I now have someone I can talk about with him at school every day. She also admitted that much as she likes RB and Patrick Stewart that her biggest soft spot is for Robbie <g> Lisa

2000-06-16 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Allie Andrews" <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:8icuck$5d2$1@plutonium.compulink.co.uk... > > Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote > > > This time last week I was sooooo excited and now its over > > > > > But we have nest year to look forward to! :-) YAY!!! Robbies arse <g>.

2000-06-16 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Allie Andrews" <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:8icugf$5ip$1@plutonium.compulink.co.uk... > > Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote > > > > I hope he does, I really hope he comes to Blackpool next year with Kate > and > > Robbie, Jules seems to think that Tim will be there as well and I know > they > > are hoping for the whole cast. I've already asked Peter about this and I > > think we will be coming en famille and all going . I f Peter cant come > > because of work, I shall come and bring the kids, I'm not going to miss > out > > on Robert again and I promised Allie that I would go with her and drool > over > > Robbies arse with her <g> > > You did indeed promise! I will be a complete basket case so you will need to > look after me......... Yep, I shall return the favour and take all the photos etc..... > > > LOL, what can I say, we are just too shallow for words <g> > > I LOVE being shallow it means I get to oogle beutiful men LOL, me too <g> > > > > I know :-( > > > > Mind you he did say when Voyager was finished he would have more time to > do > > these things, so maybe he will. > > He also said he wanted to do more Theatre, maybe he will come to London! I'm hoping for Shakespeare in Stratford <g>, whichever he does though, we will have to go and hang around the stage door, like groupies <g> Lisa

2000-06-16 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Allie Andrews <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk>)


Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote in message news:k8n25.9714 > > YAY!!! Robbies arse <g>. > Mmmmmmmmm Allie <------ in fantasy land at the thought x

2000-06-16 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Allie Andrews" <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:8icv3n$6bc$1@plutonium.compulink.co.uk... > > Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote > > > LOL, I got asked the same thing as well!!! I found out as well that a > woman > > I have known for 5 1/2 years through playgroups and school and stand with > > every day is also an RB fan, she was so gobsmacked at what I did that she > > couldn't believe it. I now have someone I can talk about with him at > school > > every day. She also admitted that much as she likes RB and Patrick > Stewart > > that her biggest soft spot is for Robbie <g> > > Tell her from me she is a woman of impeccable taste! I did! > > Although I have to point out that Patrick Stewart is a god ROTFLOL! I believe you pointed that out to Robert on Saturday night as well <g>

2000-06-16 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Allie Andrews <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk>)


Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote > > You did indeed promise! I will be a complete basket case so you will need > to > > look after me......... > > Yep, I shall return the favour and take all the photos etc..... Yay! Did they come out well? I was so drunk I was worried they would all be of the floor. I vaguely remember leaning up against the wall and crouching to get a good shot of you both with him but I was more worried about falling that taking a good pic!! > > He also said he wanted to do more Theatre, maybe he will come to London! > > I'm hoping for Shakespeare in Stratford <g>, whichever he does though, we > will have to go and hang around the stage door, like groupies <g> Stratford would be cool! Allie x

2000-06-16 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Allie Andrews <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk>)


Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote > ROTFLOL! > > I believe you pointed that out to Robert on Saturday night as well <g> Oh dear! I seem to be suffering from memory loss. It must be all the goats cheese or something :-) Allie x

2000-06-16 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Allie Andrews" <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:8icvd3$6mj$1@plutonium.compulink.co.uk... > > Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote > > > ROTFLOL! > > > > I believe you pointed that out to Robert on Saturday night as well <g> > > Oh dear! I seem to be suffering from memory loss. It must be all the goats > cheese or something :-) LOL, it was when you said you wouldnt have a clue who he was without Voyager and he said he didnt know who you were either <g>

2000-06-16 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Allie Andrews" <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:8icvaf$6ka$1@plutonium.compulink.co.uk... > > Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote > > > > You did indeed promise! I will be a complete basket case so you will > need > > to > > > look after me......... > > > > Yep, I shall return the favour and take all the photos etc..... > > Yay! Did they come out well? I was so drunk I was worried they would all be > of the floor. I vaguely remember leaning up against the wall and crouching > to get a good shot of you both with him but I was more worried about falling > that taking a good pic!! Yes, very well! There is a great one with Therese talking to him and he has the most lovely grin on his face and there is one of me and Therese with him and I have my head in my hands with a very simple look on my face <g> I'm going to have the one of me and him framed. Peter said we have to put it in the toilet though! Mind you its more presentable than the phot in your toilet <g> Lisa

2000-06-16 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Allie Andrews <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk>)


Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote > LOL, it was when you said you wouldnt have a clue who he was without Voyager > and he said he didnt know who you were either <g> > *hangs head in shame* I wan't very nice to him was I? Oh well, he took it all in remarkably good spririt! What an evil man Allie x

2000-06-16 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Allie Andrews <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk>)


Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote > I'm going to have the one of me and him framed. Peter said we have to put > it in the toilet though! Mind you its more presentable than the phot in > your toilet <g> > LOL That is Paul on his stag night and the pants are a pair the got "retired" from use the day we got married. <g> Allie x

2000-06-16 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Allie Andrews" <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:8id1jl$ent$1@plutonium.compulink.co.uk... > > Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote > > > LOL, it was when you said you wouldnt have a clue who he was without > Voyager > > and he said he didnt know who you were either <g> > > > > *hangs head in shame* ROTFLOL! > > I wan't very nice to him was I? Oh well, he took it all in remarkably good > spririt! What an evil man next in line to the devil I think <g>

2000-06-16 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Allie Andrews" <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:8id1lr$ep0$1@plutonium.compulink.co.uk... > > Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote > > > I'm going to have the one of me and him framed. Peter said we have to put > > it in the toilet though! Mind you its more presentable than the phot in > > your toilet <g> > > > > LOL > > That is Paul on his stag night and the pants are a pair the got "retired" > from use the day we got married. <g> > LOL, you forgot to mention the whip marks...........

2000-06-16 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Michele <belanna@uswest.net>)


Juli17 wrote: > > >> > >> You also confuse something else about Julianna's gripes. She > >>does indeed do a great amount of focus on TPTB and their throwing > >>Tuvok/Russ to the side. In fact, I seem to recall reading through > >>quite a few messages from Julianna stating it quite plainly how Tuvok > >>is UNDERUTILIZED. UNDERUTILIZED in a show or motion picture is a > >>direct attack against the writers and producers. > >> > > > >exactly - thanks for making that clear! :-) > >Some people always feel like I'm threatening *their* darlings... :-) > > > >Julianna > > > > Jeez, after all this time, do you really think I consider any of the actors my > *darlings*? And haven't I agreed, more than once, that Tuvok is certainly > underutilized? That was always clear to me, as were your posts on that > subject. > > Julie matter in fact we have all agreed. -- Michele "take the cheese to sickbay" B'elanna What is the phrase heard most often in Voyager's Mess Hall? "Medical Emergency!!!" What did the blonde Klingon say? It was a good day to dye.

2000-06-16 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:chdikso4u5k7qfub3ummrgue59uar5a08a@4ax.com... > On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:21:42 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" > <dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: > > > > >"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message > >news:7b8dks4tbceh9cnhrfc9d0hl0fi7b7v9mc@4ax.com... > >> On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:41:24 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" > >> <dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: > >> > >> > > >> >"Suzy" <suzy_j@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message > >> >news:uUj15.7445$ov1.532920@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > >> >> > > >> >> JR is 31??? Wow can we say "sundamage" (meow) > >> > > >> >You BAD ;-) ....LOL! > >> > >> that Suzy-woman is mean!!!! > > > >LOL...she's tough! That's why she prefers the evil twin;-) > >(not to mention spare spurs...) > > > > well - she can have every single incarnation of Beltran... :-) > LOL, for him cloning should be made legal and we could all have one each<g>

2000-06-16 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Allie Andrews <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk>)


Denise <esined@jonroocostra.nl> wrote > (ROTFLMAO) Didn't ya touch him???? > Did she touch him!?!?!? She almost had to be surgically removed from him. She managed three kisses I think.......... > Next time ask Robert for his cure of a hangover!! It involves raw eggs and > tomatojuice and beer. Yuck! That would definitely make me sick! > Harrumph.. Often.. yeah right... We had to wait a friggin year for him to get his > ass back to Europe. :-( But it will be worth the wait I am sure! Allie x

2000-06-16 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Allie Andrews <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk>)


Denise <esined@jonroocostra.nl> wrote in message news:39494C8C.DFB04D80@jonroocostra.nl... > The friend with the HUGE hangover is fine again! But I don't think she's going > anywhere near > booze. Sissy! <g> She did look very pale on Sunday.........I really felt sorry for her. > The drive over wasn't that bad. Only 1 1/2 hours to get to Norfolk, a 35 minute > channel tunnel and then another 4 hours to get back to Amsterdam. After > that......total collapse... Well I think it is very noble of you all to make such a great effort to see RB! Amsterdam is my favourite city BTW...............although I have probably told you that before. I try to get over there every October. > <lol> ME TOO.. but definitely with the SAME special guest. Do you think Mieke > and Therese will be up > for drinks again??? ;-) Well, I know *I* will be!! Allie x

2000-06-16 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Allie Andrews <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk>)


Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com> > You actually kidnapped Beltran??? > > > <eg> No silly, she clearly said Chakotay. You really need to learn to distingush fact from fiction <VBEG> Allie x

2000-06-16 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (DBR <assman.finalfrontier.com@home.com>)


Allie Andrews <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:8ics0l$2b0$1@plutonium.compulink.co.uk... > > Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com> > > > You actually kidnapped Beltran??? > > > > > > <eg> > > No silly, she clearly said Chakotay. You really need to learn to distingush > fact from fiction <VBEG> Yeah silly Zab! get with the program! <Hops back onto throne>

2000-06-16 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Allie Andrews <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk>)


DBR <assman.finalfrontier.com@home.com> wrote > > > Yeah silly Zab! get with the program! > > <Hops back onto throne> > Oh

2000-06-16 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Allie Andrews" <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:8icqbq$7h$3@plutonium.compulink.co.uk... > > Denise <esined@jonroocostra.nl> wrote > > > > (ROTFLMAO) Didn't ya touch him???? > > > > Did she touch him!?!?!? She almost had to be surgically removed from him. > She managed three kisses I think.......... > > > Next time ask Robert for his cure of a hangover!! It involves raw eggs and > > tomatojuice and beer. Yuck! > > That would definitely make me sick! > > > Harrumph.. Often.. yeah right... We had to wait a friggin year for him to > get his > > ass back to Europe. > > :-( > > But it will be worth the wait I am sure! > Yes!!! This time last week I was sooooo excited and now its over ((

2000-06-16 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Denise" <esined@jonroocostra.nl> wrote in message news:39494C8C.DFB04D80@jonroocostra.nl... > The friend with the HUGE hangover is fine again! But I don't think she's going > anywhere near > booze. Sissy! <g> > The drive over wasn't that bad. Only 1 1/2 hours to get to Norfolk, a 35 minute > channel tunnel and then another 4 hours to get back to Amsterdam. After > that......total collapse... > > Allie Andrews wrote: > > > It really does seem like ages ago though.........................I wish we > > could do it all again this weekend! > > > > Allie > > x > > <lol> ME TOO.. but definitely with the SAME special guest. Do you think Mieke > and Therese will be up > for drinks again??? ;-) > LOL! On the tape you can hear me telling Therese to shut up and then Allie pipes up with her skiffle band thing when Robert sings something about "having a lovely bunch of coconuts" and saying that he wont sing now because Allies spoilt it for everyone, she says that he's got to because everyone will beat her up and he says good, he'll be the first and he'll "kick her bloody arse" <g>. At this point I can be heard saying that I cant believe I came with them <g> Just kidding though, because Therese and Allie were great fun and we just laughed from start to finish, in fact I haven't laughed so much in years. Lisa

2000-06-16 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (DBR <assman.finalfrontier.com@home.com>)


it just occured to me that "sucks" is spelled with a "*" in it. is sucks a considered a bad word in some places to some people or something? anyone? Allie Andrews <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:8icslk$3ad$1@plutonium.compulink.co.uk... > > DBR <assman.finalfrontier.com@home.com> wrote > > > > > > Yeah silly Zab! get with the program! > > > > <Hops back onto throne> > > > > Oh > > I get the feeling you are movking me.

2000-06-16 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


> Hiya Lisa, Hi Denise :-)) > > <snip> > > Lisa wrote: > > > Did you stay for Sunday as well? > > <lol> Does a bear shit in the woods? Oh yeah! > # ROTFLOL! > > Therese and Allie put me on the train at > > about 11.30 am and I felt really rough and I was veering between real > > euphoria and real sadness about the weekend. > > Ah.... you poooor thing. I hadn't realized you "only" stayed the saturday... I > remember the feeling all > too well. Happened to Mieke and myself 2 years ago, driving back from Bonn > Germany, where we saw > him for the first time.. We drove back with a chakotay cardboard dummy > (lifesize) on the backseat of > my car. Had a hard time keeping my eyes on the road ROTFLOL! Does that have pride of place in your bedroom ???????? I'm going to try so hard to win the lottery now so that I can go to the Galaxy Ball, I would love to meet up with everyone again, especially Doreen as we've never met. > > > I still cant believe that he was real, I know that it might sound odd, but > > somehow you dont expect them > > to be people. > > (ROTFLMAO) Didn't ya touch him???? Um, yeah, frequently <g>. I showed a friend at school my photo yesterday of me having my autograph taken with him and she enquired if I had ever heard of "personal space", she said if I'd have got any closer I'd have been in his lap <g>. I have the most simple look on my face, as if I'm just too gone to believe I was with him! > > > I had to be at work Sunday afternoon and half way through my > > hangover seemed to double <g>, but I dont think I really recovered until > > about Wednesday morning. > > Next time ask Robert for his cure of a hangover!! It involves raw eggs and > tomatojuice and beer. Yuck! > OUCH! > > I just hope he comes and does it again, so we can all meet up again :-) > > I wonder.... if he gets his wish, being killed off, we may not see him anymore. > Even though he said on sunday he would still do these things, just not so often. I hope he does, I really hope he comes to Blackpool next year with Kate and Robbie, Jules seems to think that Tim will be there as well and I know they are hoping for the whole cast. I've already asked Peter about this and I think we will be coming en famille and all going . I f Peter cant come because of work, I shall come and bring the kids, I'm not going to miss out on Robert again and I promised Allie that I would go with her and drool over Robbies arse with her <g> LOL, what can I say, we are just too shallow for words <g> > > Harumph.. Often.. yeah right... We had to wait a friggin year for him to get his > ass back to Europe. I know :-( Mind you he did say when Voyager was finished he would have more time to do these things, so maybe he will. Lisa

2000-06-16 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Allie Andrews" <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:8ics0l$2b0$1@plutonium.compulink.co.uk... > > Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com> > > > You actually kidnapped Beltran??? > > > > > > <eg> > > No silly, she clearly said Chakotay. You really need to learn to distingush > fact from fiction <VBEG> > What??? You mean Chakotay and Beltran arent the same thing???? That would explain why there was no tattoo <g>

2000-06-16 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Allie Andrews <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk>)


DBR <assman.finalfrontier.com@home.com> wrote > I get the feeling you are movking me. > Of course not my dear :-) Allie x

2000-06-16 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Allie Andrews <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk>)


Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote > > What??? You mean Chakotay and Beltran arent the same thing???? That would > explain why there was no tattoo <g> > LOL Someone at work actually asked me if he had his tattoo at the weekend!!! Allie x

2000-06-16 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Allie Andrews <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk>)


Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote > This time last week I was sooooo excited and now its over > But we have nest year to look forward to! :-) Allie x

2000-06-16 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Allie Andrews <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk>)


Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote > I hope he does, I really hope he comes to Blackpool next year with Kate and > Robbie, Jules seems to think that Tim will be there as well and I know they > are hoping for the whole cast. I've already asked Peter about this and I > think we will be coming en famille and all going . I f Peter cant come > because of work, I shall come and bring the kids, I'm not going to miss out > on Robert again and I promised Allie that I would go with her and drool over > Robbies arse with her <g> You did indeed promise! I will be a complete basket case so you will need to look after me......... > LOL, what can I say, we are just too shallow for words <g> I LOVE being shallow it means I get to oogle beutiful men > I know :-( > > Mind you he did say when Voyager was finished he would have more time to do > these things, so maybe he will. He also said he wanted to do more Theatre, maybe he will come to London! Allie x

2000-06-16 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (juli17@aol.com)


I wrote: >>I'm not aware that Jeri ever argued for that, while of course the rest of >the >>cast (down to almost every last one of them) did *complain* or *note* >(choosing >>which one seems to often depend on how you feel about a particular actor) >that >>the Seven/Jeri was overemphasized at the expense of the rest of the >>characters/cast (who'd been together as a fairly even ensemble for three >years >>previous and felt pushed aside). >> Julianna wrote: >does: "sex sells" constitute anything other than a very general >statement in your eyes? That's *all* Tim *ever* said about that >topic. > I don't know exactly what you mean by anything other than a general statement. It constitutes that he knows as well as anyone why Seven was so heavily emphasized, at least at the beginning. A fact which he had every right to resent, as I'm sure all the cast did. Tim also said in an online interview that he felt Seven had usurped part of his role of Tuvok (maybe it was the same one where he mentioned sex sells, because he also said something about wondering when TPTB would get tired of using Seven alone to try and sell the show). Again a very justified observation. I don't feel Tim was whining or unjustified to say that, as I don't feel Kate was unjustified when she complained vociferously about the inequitable screentime the rest of the cast was receiving, or Robbie was unjustified when he said Jeri's screentime was an insult to the rest of the cast (while saying he liked working with Jeri and that his comment was directed at TPTB). Julie

2000-06-16 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (juli17@aol.com)


> > Tactful? Your attack on Julianna wasn't tactful. My attack >on you was. Can you tell me what the differences are? Are you serious? I didn't "attack" Julianna. And I wasn't aware that you considered yourself to be "attacking" me, until now. I thought we were just having a conversation. The only "differences" I saw were differences of opinion. > >>I think Jeri should get quite a bit less, the Doc a little less, while >>Kate, Tom, Chakotay, Kim get about the same as they are getting, with >>B'Elanna getting a little more, and Neelix and Tuvok quite a bit more. > > You're opinion of course.. Doesn't mean it should negate her >opinion in the least. > ? I never said my opinion negated Julianna's. In any way. I simply said we had a difference of opinion. Julie

2000-06-16 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (juli17@aol.com)


>> >> You also confuse something else about Julianna's gripes. She >>does indeed do a great amount of focus on TPTB and their throwing >>Tuvok/Russ to the side. In fact, I seem to recall reading through >>quite a few messages from Julianna stating it quite plainly how Tuvok >>is UNDERUTILIZED. UNDERUTILIZED in a show or motion picture is a >>direct attack against the writers and producers. >> > >exactly - thanks for making that clear! :-) >Some people always feel like I'm threatening *their* darlings... :-) > >Julianna > Jeez, after all this time, do you really think I consider any of the actors my *darlings*? And haven't I agreed, more than once, that Tuvok is certainly underutilized? That was always clear to me, as were your posts on that subject. Julie

2000-06-16 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - ("EvilBill[AGQx]" <evilbill25NOSPAM@freeuk.com>)


"Merrick Baldelli" <mbaldelli@mindspring.com> wrote in message > > Same here... I hate a man way too much shorter than me. It > makes me feel like I'm dating a boy. > <g> I'm lucky, I'm short myself, so I don't mind short women <g> -- Walk with the prophets. ICQ: 37464244 Remove NOSPAM from my e-mail address to reply

2000-06-16 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - ("David B." <bothecat@hotmail.com>)


Zabana Brandon wrote: > > Merrick Baldelli wroteded: > > > I tried to keep to the "on television" > > portion of the criteria. Had I went straight > > for movies alone, Martin Sheen (Estevez) along > > with his two extremely bratty children would've > > been listed here as well. > > Martin Sheen is Latino? Yes.

2000-06-16 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Suzy <suzy_j@worldnet.att.net>)


Julianna Feigl wrote in message ... >On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:21:42 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" ><dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: > >> >>"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>news:7b8dks4tbceh9cnhrfc9d0hl0fi7b7v9mc@4ax.com... >>> On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:41:24 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" >>> <dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: >>> >>> > >>> >"Suzy" <suzy_j@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message >>> >news:uUj15.7445$ov1.532920@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... >>> >> > >>> >> JR is 31??? Wow can we say "sundamage" (meow) >>> > >>> >You BAD ;-) ....LOL! >>> >>> that Suzy-woman is mean!!!! >> >>LOL...she's tough! That's why she prefers the evil twin;-) >>(not to mention spare spurs...) >> > >well - she can have every single incarnation of Beltran... :-) Thanks Julianna but, I sure my gf would want me to share him and since I am a nice-lady would be happy to share "your part" with Doreen. ;) > >Julianna >-------- >Tuvok: >The main reason to watch Voyager! Suzy ( gf you can have his "cold eyes" Julianna gave her part back <VBEG>)

2000-06-17 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Doreen Hartz <dthartz@inwave.com>)


"Suzy" <suzy_j@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:KwE25.6231$C44.348710@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > > Julianna Feigl wrote in message ... > >On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:29:33 GMT, "Suzy" <suzy_j@worldnet.att.net> > >wrote: > > > >> > >>Julianna Feigl wrote in message ... > >>>On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:21:42 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" > >>><dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>>"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message > >>>>news:7b8dks4tbceh9cnhrfc9d0hl0fi7b7v9mc@4ax.com... > >>>>> On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:41:24 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" > >>>>> <dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > > >>>>> >"Suzy" <suzy_j@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message > >>>>> >news:uUj15.7445$ov1.532920@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > >>>>> >> > >>> > >>>>> >> JR is 31??? Wow can we say "sundamage" (meow) > >>>>> > > >>>>> >You BAD ;-) ....LOL! > >>>>> > >>>>> that Suzy-woman is mean!!!! > >>>> > >>>>LOL...she's tough! That's why she prefers the evil twin;-) > >>>>(not to mention spare spurs...) > >>>> > >>> > >>>well - she can have every single incarnation of Beltran... :-) > >> > >>Thanks Julianna but, I sure my gf would want me to share him and since I > am > >>a nice-lady would be happy to share "your part" with Doreen. ;) > >> > >>> > >>>Julianna > >>>-------- > >>>Tuvok: > >>>The main reason to watch Voyager! > >> > >>Suzy ( gf you can have his "cold eyes" Julianna gave her part back > <VBEG>) LOL...your generosity overwhelms me gf <G> > >> > > > > > >ROTFLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > See I am really a nice person! no doubt! :-) > > > > >Julianna > >-------- > >Tuvok: > >The main reason to watch Voyager! > > Suzy > >

2000-06-17 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Doreen Hartz <dthartz@inwave.com>)


"Suzy" <suzy_j@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:OwE25.6234$C44.349099@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > > Julianna Feigl wrote in message ... > >On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 07:30:16 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: > > > >> > >>"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message > >>news:chdikso4u5k7qfub3ummrgue59uar5a08a@4ax.com... > >>> On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:21:42 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" > >>> <dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> > > >>> >"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message > >>> >news:7b8dks4tbceh9cnhrfc9d0hl0fi7b7v9mc@4ax.com... > >>> >> On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:41:24 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" > >>> >> <dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >> > > >>> >> >"Suzy" <suzy_j@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message > >>> >> >news:uUj15.7445$ov1.532920@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > >>> >> >> > >>> > >>> >> >> JR is 31??? Wow can we say "sundamage" (meow) > >>> >> > > >>> >> >You BAD ;-) ....LOL! > >>> >> > >>> >> that Suzy-woman is mean!!!! > >>> > > >>> >LOL...she's tough! That's why she prefers the evil twin;-) > >>> >(not to mention spare spurs...) > >>> > > >>> > >>> well - she can have every single incarnation of Beltran... :-) > >>> > >> > >>LOL, for him cloning should be made legal and we could all have one > each<g> > >> > >> > > > >NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Leave me alone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >I *DON'TTTTTTTTT* want one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Dang Julianna you are being so nice, giving RB clone to Doreen!!!! > Now I can keep the evil twin to myself <VBEG> > > > > > > >Julianna > >-------- > >Tuvok: > >The main reason to watch Voyager! > > Suzy ( and its a good thing cuz he really needs those *cold eyes* back to > see Doreen) > > LOL...ain't it the truth??? And any eyes he uses are just fine with me! Doreen

2000-06-17 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Doreen Hartz <dthartz@inwave.com>)


"Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote in message news:mXF25.1047$3I6.193501@news3.cableinet.net... > Julianna wrote > > > > > >I'm going to try so hard to win the lottery now so that I can go to the > > >Galaxy Ball, I would love to meet up with everyone again, especially > Doreen > > >as we've never met. Same here...would love to meet you. It is the best part of this event for me, (dimples etc. notwithstanding <G>) > > > > > > > I'd like to meet her as well, though I'm not all that crazy about the > > Galaxy Ball... Thanks again...I'd like to meet you too... > > Why? Sounds like great fun, getting to meet up with everyone, have Q and A > in the day and then a ball in the evening where *all* the starts sit at > dinner with the guests and then mingle afterwards. Whats not to enjoy? Oh > yeah, I forgot RB organsises it..... Yes, but the rest of the cast and many other Sci Fi actors are there as well. You would have a good time. > > > > > >> > > >> > I still cant believe that he was real, I know that it might sound > odd, > > >but > > >> > somehow you dont expect them > > >> > to be people. > > >> > > >> (ROTFLMAO) Didn't ya touch him???? > > > > > >Um, yeah, frequently <g>. I showed a friend at school my photo yesterday > of > > >me having my autograph taken with him and she enquired if I had ever > heard > > >of "personal space", she said if I'd have got any closer I'd have been in > > >his lap <g>. I have the most simple look on my face, as if I'm just too > > >gone to believe I was with him! As Suzy....she DID sit on his brother's lap! And as for the look on my face in my picture with RB, I prefer to go with "dazed".... it sounds a little more "rational"...LOL! > > > > > > > Jeez, Lisa! He's just an ordinary guy! > > LOL, of course he is, why would I not think he was????? Ok, if he's ordinary, ordinary doesn't come my way too often, or I need radical adjustments to my eyes and respiration... > > > > > > > > > > >I hope he does, I really hope he comes to Blackpool next year with Kate > and > > >Robbie, > > > > I bet Brian got him to sign a contract last weekend... > > hopefully..... > > > > > > > >Jules seems to think that Tim will be there as well > > > > a friend told me that Tim will probably be there and Tim himself seems > > to have mentioned that he might be there at one of his UK-appearances > > - at least according to an article at his webpage. > > I would love to see the whole cast on stage together, that would be awesome! > > > > > >and I know they > > >are hoping for the whole cast. I've already asked Peter about this and I > > >think we will be coming en famille and all going . I f Peter cant come > > >because of work, I shall come and bring the kids, I'm not going to miss > out > > >on Robert again and I promised Allie that I would go with her and drool > over > > >Robbies arse with her <g> Sounds like fun! > > > > > > > sounds like poor Tim will feel *very* neglected and lonely if indeed > > he does come... :-(((((((((( > > LOL, I dont think for one minute poor Timmy will feel neglected because > Allie and I prefer Robbies arse to his! He's got the abs everyone loves...I doubt it! > > > > > > >LOL, what can I say, we are just too shallow for words <g> > > > > > >> > > >> Harumph.. Often.. yeah right... We had to wait a friggin year for him > to > > >get his > > >> ass back to Europe. > > > > > >I know :-( > > > > > >Mind you he did say when Voyager was finished he would have more time to > do > > >these things, so maybe he will. > > > > he#ll probably be showered with invitations anyway... > > yes, he does seem to be *very* popular with his fans and always welcome, so > that should be good. > > > Lisa > > > Thanks for letting me join in here... my ISP doesn't let me read these messages after 2 days <sigh> Doreen

2000-06-17 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Doreen Hartz <dthartz@inwave.com>)


"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:kkgnksgl1d9ravsj01te02nft7qv0b2iru@4ax.com... > On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 07:40:02 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: > > >Julianna wrote > > > >> > >> >I'm going to try so hard to win the lottery now so that I can go to the > >> >Galaxy Ball, I would love to meet up with everyone again, especially > >Doreen > >> >as we've never met. > >> > > >> > >> I'd like to meet her as well, though I'm not all that crazy about the > >> Galaxy Ball... > > > >Why? Sounds like great fun, getting to meet up with everyone, have Q and A > >in the day > > yeah, with just RB and RDM.... And Garrett (until he decided to ditch us for Vegas, rumor had it <G>) > > >and then a ball in the evening where *all* the starts sit at > >dinner with the guests > > yeah, with those guests that have connections to either the stars > themselves or the organizers... or get lucky enough to sit and chat with Tim all through dinner! > > >and then mingle afterwards. Whats not to enjoy? Oh > >yeah, I forgot RB organsises it..... > > worse - he's *there* all the time... and he expects ladies to wear > ball robes, i.e. with cleavage etc... <sigh> well, my cleavage must not have been there then because he sat right at my table twice...LOL, just to chat with Tim and make sure everything was all right for him. > > >> >> > I still cant believe that he was real, I know that it might sound > >odd, > >> >but > >> >> > somehow you dont expect them > >> >> > to be people. > >> >> > >> >> (ROTFLMAO) Didn't ya touch him???? > >> > > >> >Um, yeah, frequently <g>. I showed a friend at school my photo yesterday > >of > >> >me having my autograph taken with him and she enquired if I had ever > >heard > >> >of "personal space", she said if I'd have got any closer I'd have been in > >> >his lap <g>. I have the most simple look on my face, as if I'm just too > >> >gone to believe I was with him! > >> > > >> > >> Jeez, Lisa! He's just an ordinary guy! > > > >LOL, of course he is, why would I not think he was????? > > you said you can't believe he was real - why would he not be?????? because most men aren't that witty or that beautiful...sorry! > > >> > > >> >I hope he does, I really hope he comes to Blackpool next year with Kate > >and > >> >Robbie, > >> > >> I bet Brian got him to sign a contract last weekend... > > > >hopefully..... > > > > if not he'll try his *very* best to get him. Beltran *always* gets > invitations from everybody... thank goodness...wish he would from someone near Chicago > > >> > >> > >> >Jules seems to think that Tim will be there as well > >> > >> a friend told me that Tim will probably be there and Tim himself seems > >> to have mentioned that he might be there at one of his UK-appearances > >> - at least according to an article at his webpage. > > > >I would love to see the whole cast on stage together, that would be awesome! > > I doubt they'd put them on stage together. They'd have separate panels > each and I have absolutely *no* doubt who'd have the worst time slot > of all... > > >> >and I know they > >> >are hoping for the whole cast. I've already asked Peter about this and I > >> >think we will be coming en famille and all going . I f Peter cant come > >> >because of work, I shall come and bring the kids, I'm not going to miss > >out > >> >on Robert again and I promised Allie that I would go with her and drool > >over > >> >Robbies arse with her <g> > >> > > >> > >> sounds like poor Tim will feel *very* neglected and lonely if indeed > >> he does come... :-(((((((((( > > > >LOL, I dont think for one minute poor Timmy will feel neglected because > >Allie and I prefer Robbies arse to his! > > > > > > > no - but it *must* hurt to see that those with five times his > screentime also get the better time slots for their talks and five > times the admiration he gets (because theY're more popular thanks to > more exposure and because their time slots are more convenient than > his)- *despite* not being anywhere near as good as he is... He didn't even seem to notice those things when i saw him...of course at the Galaxy Ball, he and his band kicked off the whole event with their music, so I doubt they felt neglected. > > >> > >> >LOL, what can I say, we are just too shallow for words <g> > >> > > >> >> > >> >> Harumph.. Often.. yeah right... We had to wait a friggin year for him > >to > >> >get his > >> >> ass back to Europe. > >> > > >> >I know :-( > >> > > >> >Mind you he did say when Voyager was finished he would have more time to > >do > >> >these things, so maybe he will. > >> > >> he#ll probably be showered with invitations anyway... > > > >yes, he does seem to be *very* popular with his fans and always welcome, so > >that should be good. > > > > *he* does get invited to conventions, no matter how poorly he behaves > and how many people he pisses off. Tim has to wait till the > replacement of the originally invited guest cancels as well and *then* > he'll get invited - cause he's the only one still available for the > weekend in question. *Or* he can do a concert at the convention if he > absolutely wants to - but it's not included in the registration and he > has to make sure to sell enough concert tickets if he wants to get > paid. If he wants to do a guest talk as well he may do so - but he > won't get paid for the extra effort. Convention organizers know that > no matter how talented an actor and how great a convention guest, if > he's only playing a minor background character he's not popular enough > to bring in the crowds. Ask Suzy again...TR was the invited guest and didn't arrive at a con scheduled in Washington...so I guess it happens to everyone. Doreen

2000-06-17 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On 17 Jun 2000 06:01:23 GMT, juli17@aol.com (Juli17) wrote: >>>? >>>I never said my opinion negated Julianna's. In any way. I simply said we >>had >>>a difference of opinion. > > >> Did you now? Then what was this about you saying something to >>the extent that Julianna's attacks on the other actors could possibly >>perhaps hurt Russ' career or better acceptance of Tuvok as a >>character? > >Please refresh my memory on exactly which post I said something like this, >because I do not recall ever saying anything remotely *close* to this. That >Julianna's attacks on other actors would hurt Tim Russ's career? How could >anything anyone says here have any effect on an actor's career, or affect >Tuvok's acceptance as a character. Truly, I have no idea what you're talking >about. > >> > Is this the actions of discussing an opinion, or a slander >>shaded as an opinion against one particular person to prove your >>opinion more valid than hers by invalidating the person due to her >>passions? > >Sorry, you've lost me. Really, if I knew what you were talking about, I'd >respond directly. I don't. > >The only thing I recall saying in this thread was that it was pointless to >resent the actors over how screentime is apportioned (or expect any of them to >give up his/her screentime, and I used Jeri Ryan as an example in that >scenario). That was not directed only at Julianna, who has said before that >she resents RDM and Beltran's screentime (since she considers them lesser >actors, her valid personal opinion), but it also includes the fact that I could >name a dozen or more (not all here) who resent Jeri Ryan for her screentime. >And that point was made because IMO the actors have little to do with the >apportionment of screentime, that's all up the producers/writers. > >Julie I think he meant Ron-duh who indeed says such stupid things on occasion... Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-17 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 06:03:22 GMT, "Suzy" <suzy_j@worldnet.att.net> wrote: > >Julianna Feigl wrote in message ... >>On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:29:33 GMT, "Suzy" <suzy_j@worldnet.att.net> >>wrote: >> >>> >>>Suzy ( gf you can have his "cold eyes" Julianna gave her part back ><VBEG>) >>> >> >> >>ROTFLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >See I am really a nice person! > yeah, I can see that :-) Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-17 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 06:03:26 GMT, "Suzy" <suzy_j@worldnet.att.net> wrote: > >Julianna Feigl wrote in message ... >>On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 07:30:16 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >> >>> >>>> >>>> well - she can have every single incarnation of Beltran... :-) >>>> >>> >>>LOL, for him cloning should be made legal and we could all have one >each<g> >>> >>> >> >>NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Leave me alone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>I *DON'TTTTTTTTT* want one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >Dang Julianna you are being so nice, giving RB clone to Doreen!!!! >Now I can keep the evil twin to myself <VBEG> > LOL! you can have all the clones you want, even the original. And just to clear up one thing: I wouldn't want a clone of Tim Russ either - I don't think clones have the original's personality, and a nice body is not enough for *me* :-) >> >> >>Julianna >>-------- >>Tuvok: >>The main reason to watch Voyager! > >Suzy ( and its a good thing cuz he really needs those *cold eyes* back to >see Doreen) > oh, you can have them... Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-17 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 07:20:25 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >Julie wrote > >> >> >> > >> >sometimes I *do* get the impression you attack me personally for my >> >opinion regarding Tommy/RDM... >> > >> >Julianna >> >> I've questioned the validity of your reasons for disliking RDM and even >Beltran >> to the extent that you do, but you also dismiss many of the posters >reasons >> here for *liking* RDM or Beltran, in the same manner. Is it different? >> > >Julie, its no different at all. Julianna likes and admire Russ/Tuvok, we >all have the ones we like the most, the only difference being that none of >us use the venom that Julianna does towards other actors/characters. Its >beyond me what they have ever done to her to be at the receiving end of her >continuous barrage. > I *have* told you - but since your experiences are totally different, you can't believe that my experiences were utterly, totally and completely negative with Beltran. I would *never* want to see that guy again. McNeill I *might* consider seeing - if e.g. he and Tim were at the same convention and I were there anyway I might just go and see RDM's talk as well. Beltran's *never*. I don't need to be condescended to and leered at by a guy who thinks he has every right to do so just because he's on a show that I watch. Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-17 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 07:30:34 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >Julianna wrote > >> >> exactly - thanks for making that clear! :-) >> Some people always feel like I'm threatening *their* darlings... :-) > >ROTFLOL! > >and look at your reaction when I said I didnt like Tims cd........... > you condemned *Tim* as a musician because you didn't like the *kind* or music he does... that's not really fair.. Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-17 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 07:40:02 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >Julianna wrote > >> >> >I'm going to try so hard to win the lottery now so that I can go to the >> >Galaxy Ball, I would love to meet up with everyone again, especially >Doreen >> >as we've never met. >> > >> >> I'd like to meet her as well, though I'm not all that crazy about the >> Galaxy Ball... > >Why? Sounds like great fun, getting to meet up with everyone, have Q and A >in the day yeah, with just RB and RDM.... >and then a ball in the evening where *all* the starts sit at >dinner with the guests yeah, with those guests that have connections to either the stars themselves or the organizers... >and then mingle afterwards. Whats not to enjoy? Oh >yeah, I forgot RB organsises it..... worse - he's *there* all the time... and he expects ladies to wear ball robes, i.e. with cleavage etc... >> >> > I still cant believe that he was real, I know that it might sound >odd, >> >but >> >> > somehow you dont expect them >> >> > to be people. >> >> >> >> (ROTFLMAO) Didn't ya touch him???? >> > >> >Um, yeah, frequently <g>. I showed a friend at school my photo yesterday >of >> >me having my autograph taken with him and she enquired if I had ever >heard >> >of "personal space", she said if I'd have got any closer I'd have been in >> >his lap <g>. I have the most simple look on my face, as if I'm just too >> >gone to believe I was with him! >> > >> >> Jeez, Lisa! He's just an ordinary guy! > >LOL, of course he is, why would I not think he was????? you said you can't believe he was real - why would he not be?????? >> > >> >I hope he does, I really hope he comes to Blackpool next year with Kate >and >> >Robbie, >> >> I bet Brian got him to sign a contract last weekend... > >hopefully..... > if not he'll try his *very* best to get him. Beltran *always* gets invitations from everybody... >> >> >> >Jules seems to think that Tim will be there as well >> >> a friend told me that Tim will probably be there and Tim himself seems >> to have mentioned that he might be there at one of his UK-appearances >> - at least according to an article at his webpage. > >I would love to see the whole cast on stage together, that would be awesome! I doubt they'd put them on stage together. They'd have separate panels each and I have absolutely *no* doubt who'd have the worst time slot of all... >> >and I know they >> >are hoping for the whole cast. I've already asked Peter about this and I >> >think we will be coming en famille and all going . I f Peter cant come >> >because of work, I shall come and bring the kids, I'm not going to miss >out >> >on Robert again and I promised Allie that I would go with her and drool >over >> >Robbies arse with her <g> >> > >> >> sounds like poor Tim will feel *very* neglected and lonely if indeed >> he does come... :-(((((((((( > >LOL, I dont think for one minute poor Timmy will feel neglected because >Allie and I prefer Robbies arse to his! > > no - but it *must* hurt to see that those with five times his screentime also get the better time slots for their talks and five times the admiration he gets (because theY're more popular thanks to more exposure and because their time slots are more convenient than his)- *despite* not being anywhere near as good as he is... >> >> >LOL, what can I say, we are just too shallow for words <g> >> > >> >> >> >> Harumph.. Often.. yeah right... We had to wait a friggin year for him >to >> >get his >> >> ass back to Europe. >> > >> >I know :-( >> > >> >Mind you he did say when Voyager was finished he would have more time to >do >> >these things, so maybe he will. >> >> he#ll probably be showered with invitations anyway... > >yes, he does seem to be *very* popular with his fans and always welcome, so >that should be good. > *he* does get invited to conventions, no matter how poorly he behaves and how many people he pisses off. Tim has to wait till the replacement of the originally invited guest cancels as well and *then* he'll get invited - cause he's the only one still available for the weekend in question. *Or* he can do a concert at the convention if he absolutely wants to - but it's not included in the registration and he has to make sure to sell enough concert tickets if he wants to get paid. If he wants to do a guest talk as well he may do so - but he won't get paid for the extra effort. Convention organizers know that no matter how talented an actor and how great a convention guest, if he's only playing a minor background character he's not popular enough to bring in the crowds. Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-17 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 07:40:03 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >Julianna wrote >> > >> >> not so sure - after all, Tim is seen a *lot* less than the others, >> he's more like an irregular, or recurring cameo-guest nowadays, not >> somebody one would pay attention to if one saw the series just once or >> twice... >> >> <snip> > >You're missing the point I made, he is visible because he is a Vulcan there *is* no Vulcan to see for anybody. They will think you're talking about Spock or whoever, they won'T remember having seen a Vulcan on Voyager, because 99.9% of the cases there *is* none. > and >therefore easily distinguished from the rest. You only need to have seen >him once to be able to remember who he is. It would be far harder to >explain what Kate looked like and what Bob Picardo looked like and possibly >Garrett as well. The others all have something that defines them to the >casual viewer, Tim included. > yeah, if the casual viewer could see Tim... >> >> >Its a very trendy breakfast time show. Used to be presented by Chris >> >Evans >> >> >and Gaby Roslin with Paula Yates(ex wife of Bob Geldof) doing the >> >interviews >> >> >in bed with people, >> >> >> >> ???? You mean they interviewed Tim in bed?????? >> > >> >Not sure as I never saw it , but its how they always used to do it when I >> >watched it, it was pretty famous for it over here. >> >> hmmm... sounds like an interesting show... > >It used to be great fun, but once Chris Evans left it has slid further down >the ratings. > I have no idea who Chris Evans is, but if it's slid further down the ratings, then why do you think Tim got such great exposure for being on that show?? >> there are not that many. And I'd imagine that a guy touring the >> country with a concert program would have a whole lot of a greater >> impact on this country's cultural scene than somebody who's rarely >> ever seen on a show that nobody watches anyway... :-) > >There are over Jules, no end of soap stars launch singing careers, I think >the whole cast of Neighbours did it <g>. yeah - and how many of them have done concert tours? And how many do play with a well known band and have their CDs released through an actually existing label and not a private self-edition????? > What I'm saying is that just being >an American actor who's launched a cd would not be enough to get him on the >Big Breakfast, but being Tuvok, a vulcan from Star Trek, would give him that >edge over another actor from a lesser known programme. yeah, sure... as if being Tuvok meant anything but the greatest disaster in his acting career... (sarcastic mode off) Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-17 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (juli17@aol.com)


>On 16 Jun 2000 05:12:09 GMT, juli17@aol.com (Juli17) wrote: > >>>> >>>> You also confuse something else about Julianna's gripes. She >>>>does indeed do a great amount of focus on TPTB and their throwing >>>>Tuvok/Russ to the side. In fact, I seem to recall reading through >>>>quite a few messages from Julianna stating it quite plainly how Tuvok >>>>is UNDERUTILIZED. UNDERUTILIZED in a show or motion picture is a >>>>direct attack against the writers and producers. >>>> >>> >>>exactly - thanks for making that clear! :-) >>>Some people always feel like I'm threatening *their* darlings... :-) >>> >>>Julianna >>> >> >>Jeez, after all this time, do you really think I consider any of the actors >my >>*darlings*? And haven't I agreed, more than once, that Tuvok is certainly >>underutilized? That was always clear to me, as were your posts on that >>subject. >> > >sometimes I *do* get the impression you attack me personally for my >opinion regarding Tommy/RDM... > >Julianna I've questioned the validity of your reasons for disliking RDM and even Beltran to the extent that you do, but you also dismiss many of the posters reasons here for *liking* RDM or Beltran, in the same manner. Is it different? Julie

2000-06-17 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Merrick Baldelli" <mbaldelli@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:mkhkks4g21tnah4qbpv1pn3fbsbq5u0lug@4ax.com... > On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:37:26 GMT, Julianna Feigl > <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote: > > [snippety-do-da] > > >exactly - thanks for making that clear! :-) > >Some people always feel like I'm threatening *their* darlings... :-) > > But you are Blanche, you are. > > You're forcing them to have to consider that not everyone > shares their opinion on their heros and idols. It's never a fun > process dealing with the realities that one man's hero is another > man's villain. As far as heros and idols go I think the only one who seriously does any worshipping here is Julianna and perhaps the biggest one who needs to learn this is Julianna herself.

2000-06-17 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


Julie wrote > >> > > > >sometimes I *do* get the impression you attack me personally for my > >opinion regarding Tommy/RDM... > > > >Julianna > > I've questioned the validity of your reasons for disliking RDM and even Beltran > to the extent that you do, but you also dismiss many of the posters reasons > here for *liking* RDM or Beltran, in the same manner. Is it different? > Julie, its no different at all. Julianna likes and admire Russ/Tuvok, we all have the ones we like the most, the only difference being that none of us use the venom that Julianna does towards other actors/characters. Its beyond me what they have ever done to her to be at the receiving end of her continuous barrage. Lisa

2000-06-17 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


Julianna wrote > > exactly - thanks for making that clear! :-) > Some people always feel like I'm threatening *their* darlings... :-) ROTFLOL! and look at your reaction when I said I didnt like Tims cd........... Lisa

2000-06-17 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


Julianna wrote > > >I'm going to try so hard to win the lottery now so that I can go to the > >Galaxy Ball, I would love to meet up with everyone again, especially Doreen > >as we've never met. > > > > I'd like to meet her as well, though I'm not all that crazy about the > Galaxy Ball... Why? Sounds like great fun, getting to meet up with everyone, have Q and A in the day and then a ball in the evening where *all* the starts sit at dinner with the guests and then mingle afterwards. Whats not to enjoy? Oh yeah, I forgot RB organsises it..... > > >> > >> > I still cant believe that he was real, I know that it might sound odd, > >but > >> > somehow you dont expect them > >> > to be people. > >> > >> (ROTFLMAO) Didn't ya touch him???? > > > >Um, yeah, frequently <g>. I showed a friend at school my photo yesterday of > >me having my autograph taken with him and she enquired if I had ever heard > >of "personal space", she said if I'd have got any closer I'd have been in > >his lap <g>. I have the most simple look on my face, as if I'm just too > >gone to believe I was with him! > > > > Jeez, Lisa! He's just an ordinary guy! LOL, of course he is, why would I not think he was????? > > > > > >I hope he does, I really hope he comes to Blackpool next year with Kate and > >Robbie, > > I bet Brian got him to sign a contract last weekend... hopefully..... > > > >Jules seems to think that Tim will be there as well > > a friend told me that Tim will probably be there and Tim himself seems > to have mentioned that he might be there at one of his UK-appearances > - at least according to an article at his webpage. I would love to see the whole cast on stage together, that would be awesome! > > >and I know they > >are hoping for the whole cast. I've already asked Peter about this and I > >think we will be coming en famille and all going . I f Peter cant come > >because of work, I shall come and bring the kids, I'm not going to miss out > >on Robert again and I promised Allie that I would go with her and drool over > >Robbies arse with her <g> > > > > sounds like poor Tim will feel *very* neglected and lonely if indeed > he does come... :-(((((((((( LOL, I dont think for one minute poor Timmy will feel neglected because Allie and I prefer Robbies arse to his! > > >LOL, what can I say, we are just too shallow for words <g> > > > >> > >> Harumph.. Often.. yeah right... We had to wait a friggin year for him to > >get his > >> ass back to Europe. > > > >I know :-( > > > >Mind you he did say when Voyager was finished he would have more time to do > >these things, so maybe he will. > > he#ll probably be showered with invitations anyway... yes, he does seem to be *very* popular with his fans and always welcome, so that should be good. Lisa

2000-06-17 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


Julianna wrote > > > > not so sure - after all, Tim is seen a *lot* less than the others, > he's more like an irregular, or recurring cameo-guest nowadays, not > somebody one would pay attention to if one saw the series just once or > twice... > > <snip> You're missing the point I made, he is visible because he is a Vulcan and therefore easily distinguished from the rest. You only need to have seen him once to be able to remember who he is. It would be far harder to explain what Kate looked like and what Bob Picardo looked like and possibly Garrett as well. The others all have something that defines them to the casual viewer, Tim included. > > >> >Its a very trendy breakfast time show. Used to be presented by Chris > >Evans > >> >and Gaby Roslin with Paula Yates(ex wife of Bob Geldof) doing the > >interviews > >> >in bed with people, > >> > >> ???? You mean they interviewed Tim in bed?????? > > > >Not sure as I never saw it , but its how they always used to do it when I > >watched it, it was pretty famous for it over here. > > hmmm... sounds like an interesting show... It used to be great fun, but once Chris Evans left it has slid further down the ratings. > > > > there are not that many. And I'd imagine that a guy touring the > country with a concert program would have a whole lot of a greater > impact on this country's cultural scene than somebody who's rarely > ever seen on a show that nobody watches anyway... :-) There are over Jules, no end of soap stars launch singing careers, I think the whole cast of Neighbours did it <g>. What I'm saying is that just being an American actor who's launched a cd would not be enough to get him on the Big Breakfast, but being Tuvok, a vulcan from Star Trek, would give him that edge over another actor from a lesser known programme. Lisa

2000-06-17 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Michele <belanna@uswest.net>)


Lisa wrote: > > "Merrick Baldelli" <mbaldelli@mindspring.com> wrote in message > news:mkhkks4g21tnah4qbpv1pn3fbsbq5u0lug@4ax.com... > > On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:37:26 GMT, Julianna Feigl > > <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > [snippety-do-da] > > > > >exactly - thanks for making that clear! :-) > > >Some people always feel like I'm threatening *their* darlings... :-) > > > > But you are Blanche, you are. > > > > You're forcing them to have to consider that not everyone > > shares their opinion on their heros and idols. It's never a fun > > process dealing with the realities that one man's hero is another > > man's villain. > > As far as heros and idols go I think the only one who seriously does any > worshipping here is Julianna and perhaps the biggest one who needs to learn > this is Julianna herself. I have to agree with lisa, Julianna is the one who has a problem when people don't agree with her. -- Michele "take the cheese to sickbay" B'elanna What is the phrase heard most often in Voyager's Mess Hall? "Medical Emergency!!!" What did the blonde Klingon say? It was a good day to dye.

2000-06-17 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:51:26 -0400, Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com> wrote: >On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:37:26 GMT, Julianna Feigl ><glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote: > >[snippety-do-da] > >>exactly - thanks for making that clear! :-) >>Some people always feel like I'm threatening *their* darlings... :-) > > But you are Blanche, you are. > > You're forcing them to have to consider that not everyone >shares their opinion on their heros and idols. It's never a fun >process dealing with the realities that one man's hero is another >man's villain. > good point! :-) Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-17 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:51:28 -0400, Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com> wrote: >On 16 Jun 2000 04:19:12 GMT, juli17@aol.com (Juli17) wrote: > >>> >>> Tactful? Your attack on Julianna wasn't tactful. My attack >>>on you was. Can you tell me what the differences are? >> >>Are you serious? I didn't "attack" Julianna. And I wasn't aware that you >>considered yourself to be "attacking" me, until now. I thought we were just >>having a conversation. The only "differences" I saw were differences of >>opinion. > > Attack is a word that gets attention, and I'm well known for >using it liberally. Most people use the word(s) debate, or (their >side of the) argument as a means of shading over what it is they're >doing during the act of defending one's point of view or disproving >the opposition's tactics. It's what people nowadays call "being >civilized". > > I tend not to like to play that game of "being civilized" >because to me, it carries the same inferences and mannerisms of being >bitter and adding an emoticon to the end of it in order to make it >appear as a humorous comment. > The only time I play by the rules of "being civilized" is when >I'm out to prove a point against the hypocritical, in which case He >Who Should Not Be Mentioned (tm), > > Actually, your comment (or opinion, as you are using the >tactics of "Being civilized") as to Julianna's mode of operation hit >closer to her person, stating and implying that she's out to destroy >credibility of actors or persons because her favorite actor or person >isn't being properly being displayed within the show. > It was obvious to this reader that you were having a problem >distinguishing between obsession and a one person crusade, thinking it >more the former and less the latter. > > By the way, if you want to see me in all my dark glory when I >truly attack someone, ask Rob Rey or Steve Christianson or even He Who >Shan't Be Named, what it is to be on the receiving end of one of my >flames. > >>? >>I never said my opinion negated Julianna's. In any way. I simply said we had >>a difference of opinion. > > Did you now? Then what was this about you saying something to >the extent that Julianna's attacks on the other actors could possibly >perhaps hurt Russ' career or better acceptance of Tuvok as a >character? Is this the actions of discussing an opinion, or a slander >shaded as an opinion against one particular person to prove your >opinion more valid than hers by invalidating the person due to her >passions? > I think that was Ronda, who BTS did not call Ron-duh for nothing :-) Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-17 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (juli17@aol.com)


>>? >>I never said my opinion negated Julianna's. In any way. I simply said we >had >>a difference of opinion. > Did you now? Then what was this about you saying something to >the extent that Julianna's attacks on the other actors could possibly >perhaps hurt Russ' career or better acceptance of Tuvok as a >character? Please refresh my memory on exactly which post I said something like this, because I do not recall ever saying anything remotely *close* to this. That Julianna's attacks on other actors would hurt Tim Russ's career? How could anything anyone says here have any effect on an actor's career, or affect Tuvok's acceptance as a character. Truly, I have no idea what you're talking about. > Is this the actions of discussing an opinion, or a slander >shaded as an opinion against one particular person to prove your >opinion more valid than hers by invalidating the person due to her >passions? Sorry, you've lost me. Really, if I knew what you were talking about, I'd respond directly. I don't. The only thing I recall saying in this thread was that it was pointless to resent the actors over how screentime is apportioned (or expect any of them to give up his/her screentime, and I used Jeri Ryan as an example in that scenario). That was not directed only at Julianna, who has said before that she resents RDM and Beltran's screentime (since she considers them lesser actors, her valid personal opinion), but it also includes the fact that I could name a dozen or more (not all here) who resent Jeri Ryan for her screentime. And that point was made because IMO the actors have little to do with the apportionment of screentime, that's all up the producers/writers. Julie

2000-06-17 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Suzy <suzy_j@worldnet.att.net>)


Julianna Feigl wrote in message ... >On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:29:33 GMT, "Suzy" <suzy_j@worldnet.att.net> >wrote: > >> >>Julianna Feigl wrote in message ... >>>On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:21:42 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" >>><dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>news:7b8dks4tbceh9cnhrfc9d0hl0fi7b7v9mc@4ax.com... >>>>> On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:41:24 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" >>>>> <dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >"Suzy" <suzy_j@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message >>>>> >news:uUj15.7445$ov1.532920@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> JR is 31??? Wow can we say "sundamage" (meow) >>>>> > >>>>> >You BAD ;-) ....LOL! >>>>> >>>>> that Suzy-woman is mean!!!! >>>> >>>>LOL...she's tough! That's why she prefers the evil twin;-) >>>>(not to mention spare spurs...) >>>> >>> >>>well - she can have every single incarnation of Beltran... :-) >> >>Thanks Julianna but, I sure my gf would want me to share him and since I am >>a nice-lady would be happy to share "your part" with Doreen. ;) >> >>> >>>Julianna >>>-------- >>>Tuvok: >>>The main reason to watch Voyager! >> >>Suzy ( gf you can have his "cold eyes" Julianna gave her part back <VBEG>) >> > > >ROTFLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! See I am really a nice person! > >Julianna >-------- >Tuvok: >The main reason to watch Voyager! Suzy

2000-06-17 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Suzy <suzy_j@worldnet.att.net>)


Lisa wrote in message ... > >"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message >news:chdikso4u5k7qfub3ummrgue59uar5a08a@4ax.com... >> On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:21:42 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" >> <dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> >news:7b8dks4tbceh9cnhrfc9d0hl0fi7b7v9mc@4ax.com... >> >> On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:41:24 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" >> >> <dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >"Suzy" <suzy_j@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message >> >> >news:uUj15.7445$ov1.532920@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> JR is 31??? Wow can we say "sundamage" (meow) >> >> > >> >> >You BAD ;-) ....LOL! >> >> >> >> that Suzy-woman is mean!!!! >> > >> >LOL...she's tough! That's why she prefers the evil twin;-) >> >(not to mention spare spurs...) >> > >> >> well - she can have every single incarnation of Beltran... :-) >> > >LOL, for him cloning should be made legal and we could all have one each<g> Now that would be a lot of fun! I still want the evil twin ;) > > > Suzy ( spoiled by spare spurs!!!)

2000-06-17 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Suzy <suzy_j@worldnet.att.net>)


Julianna Feigl wrote in message ... >On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 07:30:16 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: > >> >>"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>news:chdikso4u5k7qfub3ummrgue59uar5a08a@4ax.com... >>> On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:21:42 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" >>> <dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: >>> >>> > >>> >"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> >news:7b8dks4tbceh9cnhrfc9d0hl0fi7b7v9mc@4ax.com... >>> >> On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:41:24 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" >>> >> <dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> > >>> >> >"Suzy" <suzy_j@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message >>> >> >news:uUj15.7445$ov1.532920@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... >>> >> >> >>> >>> >> >> JR is 31??? Wow can we say "sundamage" (meow) >>> >> > >>> >> >You BAD ;-) ....LOL! >>> >> >>> >> that Suzy-woman is mean!!!! >>> > >>> >LOL...she's tough! That's why she prefers the evil twin;-) >>> >(not to mention spare spurs...) >>> > >>> >>> well - she can have every single incarnation of Beltran... :-) >>> >> >>LOL, for him cloning should be made legal and we could all have one each<g> >> >> > >NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Leave me alone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >I *DON'TTTTTTTTT* want one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dang Julianna you are being so nice, giving RB clone to Doreen!!!! Now I can keep the evil twin to myself <VBEG> > > >Julianna >-------- >Tuvok: >The main reason to watch Voyager! Suzy ( and its a good thing cuz he really needs those *cold eyes* back to see Doreen)

2000-06-18 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (VoyagerLady <voyagerlady13NOvoSPAM@yahoo.com.invalid>)


"Doreen Hartz" <dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: > >> >my ISP doesn't let me read these messages after 2 days <sigh> >> >> your ISP sucks! > >Definitely not easy to read the NG unless I'm diligent. So if I don't >respond to a post (maybe a third of my own I never see), I don't mean to be >rude... > >Doreen Doreen, Go to www.remarq.com or www.deja.com You can get the ng there too. Ronda Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

2000-06-18 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Michele <belanna@uswest.net>)


Juli17 wrote: > > >> > > > >*I* at least don't trample on somebody lying on the floor unable to > >get up again... > > > >Julianna > > Having see Tim Russ a few times now, I'm glad to say that he has a much better > opinion of his own abilities and prospects than you do, and appears quite happy > with his life. Really, if his life was as bad as you want to believe, the poor > guy would have thrown himself in front of a train by now. > > Julie I have to agree. Julianna i think you need to take a step back and take a breezier. You are taking this way to seriously, you are acting obsessive and that is not healthy. -- Michele "take the cheese to sickbay" B'elanna What is the phrase heard most often in Voyager's Mess Hall? "Medical Emergency!!!" What did the blonde Klingon say? It was a good day to dye.

2000-06-18 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Therese Gray <tgray@zetnet.co.uk>)


The message <Ob%25.2351$3I6.418221@news3.cableinet.net> from "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> contains these words: > That still does not explain why years later you still feel so very > personally about a person who after all did nothing personal towards you and > who in all essence had a bad weekend. Even this is open to debate. Most people I've ever run into who were at the Bonn con say he was fine. > Lisa

2000-06-18 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Sun, 18 Jun 2000 07:51:10 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >Julianna wrote > >> > >> >Julie, its no different at all. Julianna likes and admire Russ/Tuvok, we >> >all have the ones we like the most, the only difference being that none >of >> >us use the venom that Julianna does towards other actors/characters. Its >> >beyond me what they have ever done to her to be at the receiving end of >her >> >continuous barrage. >> > >> >> I *have* told you - but since your experiences are totally different, >> you can't believe that my experiences were utterly, totally and >> completely negative with Beltran. I would *never* want to see that guy >> again. McNeill I *might* consider seeing - if e.g. he and Tim were at >> the same convention and I were there anyway I might just go and see >> RDM's talk as well. Beltran's *never*. I don't need to be condescended >> to and leered at by a guy who thinks he has every right to do so just >> because he's on a show that I watch. >> > > >No, you've told me that at one convention he wasnt pleasant and that you >didnt enjoy seeing him, which is fair enough, not everyone likes everyone >and different styles suit different people. I'm quite sure that things I >laughed at on Saturday night you would have hated and thought dreadful, but >to me they were very funny. obviously... >That still does not explain why years later you still feel so very >personally about a person who after all did nothing personal towards you and >who in all essence had a bad weekend. he did *not* have a bad weekend. It's just that whoever found him gorgeous thought he was brilliant. Those of us immune to his "charms" - i.e. the rest of the females and the males - found him between not so good and abysmal... Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-18 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Sun, 18 Jun 2000 08:01:14 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: > >"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message >news:8jgnks0eg1ab26ugp4hs6ra00bc40inorb@4ax.com... >> On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 07:30:34 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >> >> >Julianna wrote >> > >> >> >> >> exactly - thanks for making that clear! :-) >> >> Some people always feel like I'm threatening *their* darlings... :-) >> > >> >ROTFLOL! >> > >> >and look at your reaction when I said I didnt like Tims cd........... >> > >> >> you condemned *Tim* as a musician because you didn't like the *kind* >> or music he does... that's not really fair.. >> > > >You're getting things way out of proportion *again* Julianna, I said I didnt >like his cd and I didnt like his singing, See? You say it again... > it was not to my taste. I never >*condemned* him and I never said he was a bad singer. Yet again you are >twisting peoples words to suit yourself. see above... Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-18 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Sun, 18 Jun 2000 08:21:21 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >Julianna wrote > >> > >> >You're missing the point I made, he is visible because he is a Vulcan >> >> there *is* no Vulcan to see for anybody. They will think you're >> talking about Spock or whoever, they won'T remember having seen a >> Vulcan on Voyager, because 99.9% of the cases there *is* none. > >Again you're missing the point I'm making, he is recognisable because of the >role, irrelevant how little he appears, just the fact that he has the ears, >as Chak has the tattoo and Jeri the catsuit makes them stick in peoples >minds more than Garrett and Bob do. but *no* casual viewer will know there even *is* a Vulcan aboard. You have to specifically watch out for him nowadays to even notice him. If you tell them you're talking about the black Vulcan guy on Voy, they'll tell you they can't remember seeing a black guy or a Vulcan guy and even less a black Vulcan... >> >It used to be great fun, but once Chris Evans left it has slid further >down >> >the ratings. >> > >> >> I have no idea who Chris Evans is, but if it's slid further down the >> ratings, then why do you think Tim got such great exposure for being >> on that show?? > >I didnt say it was great exposure, just exposure and bear in mind we only >have four regular channels that have a breakfast show, so he could in all >essence have reached a quarter of the population that morning. > and that would help him how? He won'T get an acting job in the UK because of that... >> >> >> there are not that many. And I'd imagine that a guy touring the >> >> country with a concert program would have a whole lot of a greater >> >> impact on this country's cultural scene than somebody who's rarely >> >> ever seen on a show that nobody watches anyway... :-) >> > >> >There are over Jules, no end of soap stars launch singing careers, I >think >> >the whole cast of Neighbours did it <g>. >> >> yeah - and how many of them have done concert tours? And how many do >> play with a well known band and have their CDs released through an >> actually existing label and not a private self-edition????? > >dont know, most of them are crap so I dont listen. Jason Donovan of course >is another story <g> > oh - I bet you find him gorgeous... >> >> > What I'm saying is that just being >> >an American actor who's launched a cd would not be enough to get him on >the >> >Big Breakfast, but being Tuvok, a vulcan from Star Trek, would give him >that >> >edge over another actor from a lesser known programme. >> >> yeah, sure... as if being Tuvok meant anything but the greatest >> disaster in his acting career... (sarcastic mode off) > >well you take the chance and pay the price I'm afraid. > would you talk that way if the loser were Beltran?????? Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-18 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Sun, 18 Jun 2000 10:33:25 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: > >"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message >news:msenkskvuojb06tarnsd7g3sk5abpphm4s@4ax.com... >> On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:51:26 -0400, Merrick Baldelli >> <mbaldelli@mindspring.com> wrote: >> >> >On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:37:26 GMT, Julianna Feigl >> ><glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >[snippety-do-da] >> > >> >>exactly - thanks for making that clear! :-) >> >>Some people always feel like I'm threatening *their* darlings... :-) >> > >> > But you are Blanche, you are. >> > >> > You're forcing them to have to consider that not everyone >> >shares their opinion on their heros and idols. It's never a fun >> >process dealing with the realities that one man's hero is another >> >man's villain. >> > >> >> good point! :-) >> > >LOL, it is, try taking it to heart yourself. > *I* at least don't trample on somebody lying on the floor unable to get up again... Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-18 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Sun, 18 Jun 2000 10:49:44 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >Julianna wrote > >> > >> >Why? Sounds like great fun, getting to meet up with everyone, have Q and >A >> >in the day >> >> yeah, with just RB and RDM.... > >well, stands to reason that as he hosts it Robert would do one, as for the >others, I assume its down to availability and whether or not they want to do >one, I think someone from another show did one last year. > maybe - fact is, those doing the talks are the ones I'm least interested in. >> >> >and then a ball in the evening where *all* the starts sit at >> >dinner with the guests >> >> yeah, with those guests that have connections to either the stars >> themselves or the organizers... > >yep, c'est la vie I'm afraid, I'm sure this happens every where you go :-( probably - but then - if I know that in advance I can avoid the disappointment, can I not? :-) >> >and then mingle afterwards. Whats not to enjoy? Oh >> >yeah, I forgot RB organsises it..... >> >> worse - he's *there* all the time... and he expects ladies to wear >> ball robes, i.e. with cleavage etc... > >NO! Thats too wicked for words <g> > well.. he *is* that way... >> >> > >> >> >> >> Jeez, Lisa! He's just an ordinary guy! >> > >> >LOL, of course he is, why would I not think he was????? >> >> you said you can't believe he was real - why would he not be?????? > >Its a general thing, not just Robert himself. First and foremost it was >the character I was attracted to, if you read Doreens post elsewhere she >states it all far better than I could (I think its being a teacher that does >it <g>). I would have watched Trek anyway because I love it, but for me he >has made it so much more enjoyable. Now I am in reality a very grounded >person, I have a very happy life with my husband and kids, but I am also >quite normal in that I like and admire certain people/characters and I have >a very healthy fantasy life! LOL! > >When you have seen someone for years on the tv screen and seen pictures and >read about them, you almost begin to feel that you know them, but of course >you dont, but then when the reality is suddenly 2 feet away it hits you and >you think "My God, they are a real person!" I remember feeling exactly the >same way when I met Peter Davison, Mark Strickson and John Levene once, >somehow you still imagine they will be what they are on screen, but of >course they have more presence in reality. Now of all the people I've met >Robert has by far the most "presence" and charisma of them all. > it's not as if I had noticed any of these... but I never doubted he'd be a real person... >> >> > >> >> >I hope he does, I really hope he comes to Blackpool next year with >Kate >> >and >> >> >Robbie, >> >> >> >> I bet Brian got him to sign a contract last weekend... >> > >> >hopefully..... >> > >> >> if not he'll try his *very* best to get him. Beltran *always* gets >> invitations from everybody... > >Well thats obviously because he's so popular....... because he's a *prominently featured big name star*. It *is* a fact that people playing more important parts will attract greater audiences, no matter whether they are nice and friendly or not. They just generate a greater interest. I have heard people saying: "No, I don't go to see actor X - he/she is only a recurring guest - I'm not going to pay that much money to see him/her". No matter how many people told them that X was a *great* convention guest. (and no, I'm not thinking Tim here - it was somebody else). These same people do go to see big name stars like Shatner and Spiner that are not half as nice and friendly but play more prominent parts. They want to socialize with the stars more than they want to meet nice and funny people. >> I doubt they'd put them on stage together. They'd have separate panels >> each and I have absolutely *no* doubt who'd have the worst time slot >> of all... > >I know, Ethan Phillips doesnt stand a chance. > how funny - after all *he* probably got the best character development last season... > >> >> >> >> sounds like poor Tim will feel *very* neglected and lonely if indeed >> >> he does come... :-(((((((((( >> > >> >LOL, I dont think for one minute poor Timmy will feel neglected because >> >Allie and I prefer Robbies arse to his! >> > >> > >> >> >> no - but it *must* hurt to see that those with five times his >> screentime also get the better time slots for their talks and five >> times the admiration he gets (because theY're more popular thanks to >> more exposure and because their time slots are more convenient than >> his)- *despite* not being anywhere near as good as he is... > >Um, no matter how much someone is shoved in your face if you dont like them, >you dont like them. maybe not you and I - but the general audience yes... > People like Robert and Robbie for a lot of reasons, >screentime is not one of them. If they are more popular to see it must be >because they are more entertaining. ROTFLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You *hope* it is that way. Robbie is the least entertaining of the VOY-cast (with the possible exception of Jennifer Lien), he may be nice and if you don'T mind his thoughtless remarks he's probably okay, but he doesn'T have much presence, he can't deliver a punch line and he's just overall not an entertainer. Robert, OTOH, is just too self-absorbed and arrogant, condescending and rude to be fun and to be appreciated by anybody but the "Beltranistas"... > The one I am most looking forward to >seeing though will be Kate, she should be really interesting. > I doubt you'll like her - she's *nothing* like Robert. You know, really warm and friendly, and intelligent and not condescending at all. A lady. And she has class. >Bob Picardo would also, I imagine, be very funny he *is* >and I would like to see >Garrett, but the others I could take or leave. > very funny as well.... So... Roxann, Jeri, Jennifer, Tim and Ethan (along with Robbie??) woudn't even get a chance???? You would not even want to see what they are like??? Why not??? because you don't like their characters??? >> >> *he* does get invited to conventions, no matter how poorly he behaves >> and how many people he pisses off. Tim has to wait till the >> replacement of the originally invited guest cancels as well and *then* >> he'll get invited - cause he's the only one still available for the >> weekend in question. *Or* he can do a concert at the convention if he >> absolutely wants to - but it's not included in the registration and he >> has to make sure to sell enough concert tickets if he wants to get >> paid. If he wants to do a guest talk as well he may do so - but he >> won't get paid for the extra effort. Convention organizers know that >> no matter how talented an actor and how great a convention guest, if >> he's only playing a minor background character he's not popular enough >> to bring in the crowds. >> > >Its a tough life, isnt it? apparently you think that's all a joke... and since you go to conventions regularly and know lots of people that have been to conventions and know convention organizers you also know that I'm distorting things and that I have no clue what I'm talking about... :-((((( Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-18 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Doreen Hartz <dthartz@inwave.com>)


"Therese Gray" <tgray@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message news:2000061818064586296@zetnet.co.uk... > The message <Ob%25.2351$3I6.418221@news3.cableinet.net> > from "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> contains these words: > > > > > That still does not explain why years later you still feel so very > > personally about a person who after all did nothing personal towards you and > > who in all essence had a bad weekend. > > Even this is open to debate. Most people I've ever run into who were > at the Bonn con say he was fine. Starfish sent me some photos from this con and RB is looking wonderful, coffee cup and all. Great smiles, laugh lines, and even one of him contemplating the answer while someone asks the question, with the look Julianna finds so offensive. To each his own because I think they're great and Starfish...you were wonderful for sharing:-))) Doreen

2000-06-18 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Sun, 18 Jun 2000 18:07:01 +0100, Therese Gray <tgray@zetnet.co.uk> wrote: >The message <5E%25.2394$3I6.422026@news3.cableinet.net> > from "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> contains these words: > >> Julianna wrote > >> > >> > I have no idea who Chris Evans is, but if it's slid further down the >> > ratings, then why do you think Tim got such great exposure for being >> > on that show?? > >> I didnt say it was great exposure, just exposure and bear in mind we only >> have four regular channels that have a breakfast show, so he could in all >> essence have reached a quarter of the population that morning. > >> > >> > > What I'm saying is that just being >> > >an American actor who's launched a cd would not be enough to get him on >> the >> > >Big Breakfast, but being Tuvok, a vulcan from Star Trek, would give him >> that >> > >edge over another actor from a lesser known programme. >> > >> > yeah, sure... as if being Tuvok meant anything but the greatest >> > disaster in his acting career... (sarcastic mode off) > >> well you take the chance and pay the price I'm afraid. > >I wonder what Julianna will do when it turns out Tim has not been >harmed by his stint on Voyager? You won't believe it - but I'd be *happy as a clam*. Only things get worse for him every year and now there is not really any hope left for that. Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-18 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (kemosabe@skyenet.net)


On Sun, 18 Jun 2000 19:51:21 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: |Really?? Thats interesting to know. I just wonder why Julianna hates him |so much, she's never really given a substantial reason. LOL, I'm beginning |to wonder about that very fine line between love and hate Masked Man------->For Julianna, it is not enough that Tuvok/Tim Russ do well. All others involved with Voyager must fail. -- Who was that masked man?

2000-06-18 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Doreen Hartz <dthartz@inwave.com>)


"Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote in message news:cP135.2532$3I6.446175@news3.cableinet.net... > Julianna wrote > > > > > > >Why? Sounds like great fun, getting to meet up with everyone, have Q and > A > > >in the day > > > > yeah, with just RB and RDM.... > > well, stands to reason that as he hosts it Robert would do one, as for the > others, I assume its down to availability and whether or not they want to do > one, I think someone from another show did one last year. Yes, Jason Carter from Babylon 5...talk about a non-linnear thinker...and interesting answers to questions! > > > > > >and then a ball in the evening where *all* the starts sit at > > >dinner with the guests > > > > yeah, with those guests that have connections to either the stars > > themselves or the organizers... > > yep, c'est la vie I'm afraid, I'm sure this happens every where you go :-( > > > > > >and then mingle afterwards. Whats not to enjoy? Oh > > >yeah, I forgot RB organsises it..... > > > > worse - he's *there* all the time... and he expects ladies to wear > > ball robes, i.e. with cleavage etc... > > NO! Thats too wicked for words <g> LOL...yes, we Beltranistas are wicked!! > > > >> > > > >> > > >> Jeez, Lisa! He's just an ordinary guy! > > > > > >LOL, of course he is, why would I not think he was????? > > > > you said you can't believe he was real - why would he not be?????? > > Its a general thing, not just Robert himself. First and foremost it was > the character I was attracted to, if you read Doreens post elsewhere she > states it all far better than I could (I think its being a teacher that does > it <g>). Thanks:-)))) (I figured Pie would fall asleep in the middle of it, or be sorry he asked!) I would have watched Trek anyway because I love it, but for me he > has made it so much more enjoyable. Indeed... Now I am in reality a very grounded > person, I have a very happy life with my husband and kids, but I am also > quite normal in that I like and admire certain people/characters and I have > a very healthy fantasy life! LOL! Nicely put... > > When you have seen someone for years on the tv screen and seen pictures and > read about them, you almost begin to feel that you know them, but of course > you dont, but then when the reality is suddenly 2 feet away it hits you and > you think "My God, they are a real person!" I remember feeling exactly the > same way when I met Peter Davison, Mark Strickson and John Levene once, > somehow you still imagine they will be what they are on screen, but of > course they have more presence in reality. Now of all the people I've met > Robert has by far the most "presence" and charisma of them all. I thought so too, but Robbie was also charming and Jason Carter was a hoot. Only other celeb that I have met is Wally Kurth who plays Ned Ashton on General Hospital, and we discussed oil and gas drilling in eastern Montana (LOL...he too has a killer dimples and smile) > > > >> > > > >> >I hope he does, I really hope he comes to Blackpool next year with > Kate > > >and > > >> >Robbie, > > >> > > >> I bet Brian got him to sign a contract last weekend... > > > > > >hopefully..... > > > > > > > if not he'll try his *very* best to get him. Beltran *always* gets > > invitations from everybody... > > Well thats obviously because he's so popular....... > > > > I doubt they'd put them on stage together. They'd have separate panels > > each and I have absolutely *no* doubt who'd have the worst time slot > > of all... > > I know, Ethan Phillips doesnt stand a chance. > > > > >> > > >> sounds like poor Tim will feel *very* neglected and lonely if indeed > > >> he does come... :-(((((((((( > > > > > >LOL, I dont think for one minute poor Timmy will feel neglected because > > >Allie and I prefer Robbies arse to his! > > > > > > > > > > > > no - but it *must* hurt to see that those with five times his > > screentime also get the better time slots for their talks and five > > times the admiration he gets (because theY're more popular thanks to > > more exposure and because their time slots are more convenient than > > his)- *despite* not being anywhere near as good as he is... > > Um, no matter how much someone is shoved in your face if you dont like them, > you dont like them. People like Robert and Robbie for a lot of reasons, > screentime is not one of them. If they are more popular to see it must be > because they are more entertaining. The one I am most looking forward to > seeing though will be Kate, she should be really interesting. Interesting is a good word. She obviously enjoyed her fellow castmates. > > Bob Picardo would also, I imagine, be very funny and I would like to see > Garrett, but the others I could take or leave. > > > > > *he* does get invited to conventions, no matter how poorly he behaves > > and how many people he pisses off. Tim has to wait till the > > replacement of the originally invited guest cancels as well and *then* > > he'll get invited - cause he's the only one still available for the > > weekend in question. *Or* he can do a concert at the convention if he > > absolutely wants to - but it's not included in the registration and he > > has to make sure to sell enough concert tickets if he wants to get > > paid. If he wants to do a guest talk as well he may do so - but he > > won't get paid for the extra effort. Convention organizers know that > > no matter how talented an actor and how great a convention guest, if > > he's only playing a minor background character he's not popular enough > > to bring in the crowds. > > > > Its a tough life, isnt it? Sure...compared to being a Mom, working in a supermarket or a high school, making the BIG money...... Doreen

2000-06-18 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Doreen Hartz <dthartz@inwave.com>)


"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:5obqksoh4q868mimpelqqiq3bdtlo0uk26@4ax.com... > On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 23:10:49 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" > <dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: > > > > >"Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote in message > >news:mXF25.1047$3I6.193501@news3.cableinet.net... > >> Julianna wrote > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > I'd like to meet her as well, though I'm not all that crazy about the > >> > Galaxy Ball... > > > >Thanks again...I'd like to meet you too... > > > > well - maybe some place other than the Galaxy Ball???? LOL, might be a good plan, but this was a great place to see and talk to TR... > > >> > >> Why? Sounds like great fun, getting to meet up with everyone, have Q and > >A > >> in the day and then a ball in the evening where *all* the starts sit at > >> dinner with the guests and then mingle afterwards. Whats not to enjoy? > >Oh > >> yeah, I forgot RB organsises it..... > > > >Yes, but the rest of the cast and many other Sci Fi actors are there as > >well. You would have a good time. > > the others will be there for a much shorter time and the one I'd have > to endure all evening is the one I can't stand... true, but he was a charming host...the guests spent much more time onstage than he did. > > > > >> > Jeez, Lisa! He's just an ordinary guy! > >> > >> LOL, of course he is, why would I not think he was????? > > > >Ok, if he's ordinary, ordinary doesn't come my way too often, or I need > >radical adjustments to my eyes and respiration... > > I need no such things. If I met him in the street I'd pass him by > without even noticing him. Not possible <G> > > > >> > sounds like poor Tim will feel *very* neglected and lonely if indeed > >> > he does come... :-(((((((((( > >> > >> LOL, I dont think for one minute poor Timmy will feel neglected because > >> Allie and I prefer Robbies arse to his! > > > >He's got the abs everyone loves...I doubt it! > > as if anybody would pay any attention to him when the "gorgeous" main > stars of Voyager are around... :-((((((((((((((((( He was included...it's become a chatroom joke for Suzy and me...Ari will say: "chat about TR's abs for a few while I get a snack", knowing that Suzy and I can do justice to this topic!!! > > > >> yes, he does seem to be *very* popular with his fans and always welcome, > >so > >> that should be good. > >> > >> > >> Lisa > >> > >> > >> > > > >Thanks for letting me join in here... > >my ISP doesn't let me read these messages after 2 days <sigh> > > your ISP sucks! Definitely not easy to read the NG unless I'm diligent. So if I don't respond to a post (maybe a third of my own I never see), I don't mean to be rude... Doreen

2000-06-18 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Therese Gray" <tgray@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message news:2000061818064586296@zetnet.co.uk... > The message <Ob%25.2351$3I6.418221@news3.cableinet.net> > from "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> contains these words: > > > > > That still does not explain why years later you still feel so very > > personally about a person who after all did nothing personal towards you and > > who in all essence had a bad weekend. > > Even this is open to debate. Most people I've ever run into who were > at the Bonn con say he was fine. > Really?? Thats interesting to know. I just wonder why Julianna hates him so much, she's never really given a substantial reason. LOL, I'm beginning to wonder about that very fine line between love and hate..............

2000-06-18 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Therese Gray" <tgray@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message news:2000061818070186296@zetnet.co.uk... > The message <5E%25.2394$3I6.422026@news3.cableinet.net> > from "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> contains these words: > > > Julianna wrote > > > > > > > I have no idea who Chris Evans is, but if it's slid further down the > > > ratings, then why do you think Tim got such great exposure for being > > > on that show?? > > > I didnt say it was great exposure, just exposure and bear in mind we only > > have four regular channels that have a breakfast show, so he could in all > > essence have reached a quarter of the population that morning. > > > > > > > > What I'm saying is that just being > > > >an American actor who's launched a cd would not be enough to get him on > > the > > > >Big Breakfast, but being Tuvok, a vulcan from Star Trek, would give him > > that > > > >edge over another actor from a lesser known programme. > > > > > > yeah, sure... as if being Tuvok meant anything but the greatest > > > disaster in his acting career... (sarcastic mode off) > > > well you take the chance and pay the price I'm afraid. > > I wonder what Julianna will do when it turns out Tim has not been > harmed by his stint on Voyager? I guess she'll have to invent > another lame duck to run round shrieking about, regardless of the facts. LOL! > > Poor Tim! I can't help feeling he may be relieved to get this kind > of "support" out of the way! > Well, its certainly driven any sympathy I may ever have had out of the window.

2000-06-18 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On 18 Jun 2000 03:59:14 GMT, juli17@aol.com (Juli17) wrote: >>> >>>and look at your reaction when I said I didnt like Tims cd........... >>> >> >>you condemned *Tim* as a musician because you didn't like the *kind* >>or music he does... that's not really fair.. >> >>Julianna > >You have to be a little bit fair here Julianna. Lisa did not condemn Tim as a >*musician.* She said nothing negative about his voice or his talent at all. she said it was sarcasm that she had mentioned if they're lucky he'll sing to them - in other words she finds him terrible >She said she didn't like his type of MOR music. What if you don't like country >music for instance? Alan Jackson has a beautiful voice and plays a mean >guitar, but if you don't listen to his music because you don't like that *type* >of music, that is not a condemnation of his talent or him as a person, but >simply a statement about your personal taste in music. if you put it *that* way it isn't. But she only said she can't stand it - that means his performance as much as his songs. Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-18 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 23:10:49 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" <dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: > >"Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote in message >news:mXF25.1047$3I6.193501@news3.cableinet.net... >> Julianna wrote >> >> > >> > I'd like to meet her as well, though I'm not all that crazy about the >> > Galaxy Ball... > >Thanks again...I'd like to meet you too... > well - maybe some place other than the Galaxy Ball???? >> >> Why? Sounds like great fun, getting to meet up with everyone, have Q and >A >> in the day and then a ball in the evening where *all* the starts sit at >> dinner with the guests and then mingle afterwards. Whats not to enjoy? >Oh >> yeah, I forgot RB organsises it..... > >Yes, but the rest of the cast and many other Sci Fi actors are there as >well. You would have a good time. the others will be there for a much shorter time and the one I'd have to endure all evening is the one I can't stand... >> > Jeez, Lisa! He's just an ordinary guy! >> >> LOL, of course he is, why would I not think he was????? > >Ok, if he's ordinary, ordinary doesn't come my way too often, or I need >radical adjustments to my eyes and respiration... I need no such things. If I met him in the street I'd pass him by without even noticing him. >> > sounds like poor Tim will feel *very* neglected and lonely if indeed >> > he does come... :-(((((((((( >> >> LOL, I dont think for one minute poor Timmy will feel neglected because >> Allie and I prefer Robbies arse to his! > >He's got the abs everyone loves...I doubt it! as if anybody would pay any attention to him when the "gorgeous" main stars of Voyager are around... :-((((((((((((((((( >> yes, he does seem to be *very* popular with his fans and always welcome, >so >> that should be good. >> >> >> Lisa >> >> >> > >Thanks for letting me join in here... >my ISP doesn't let me read these messages after 2 days <sigh> your ISP sucks! Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-18 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 23:15:58 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" <dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: > >"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message >news:kkgnksgl1d9ravsj01te02nft7qv0b2iru@4ax.com... >> On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 07:40:02 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >> >> >Julianna wrote >> > >> >> >> >> >I'm going to try so hard to win the lottery now so that I can go to >the >> >> >Galaxy Ball, I would love to meet up with everyone again, especially >> >Doreen >> >> >as we've never met. >> >> > >> >> >> >> I'd like to meet her as well, though I'm not all that crazy about the >> >> Galaxy Ball... >> > >> >Why? Sounds like great fun, getting to meet up with everyone, have Q and >A >> >in the day >> >> yeah, with just RB and RDM.... > >And Garrett (until he decided to ditch us for Vegas, rumor had it <G>) > fact is, only the two I like least of all were there all the time... >> >> >and then a ball in the evening where *all* the starts sit at >> >dinner with the guests >> >> yeah, with those guests that have connections to either the stars >> themselves or the organizers... > >or get lucky enough to sit and chat with Tim all through dinner! yeah, but that was just a lucky coincidence... and with my luck I'd probably end up at Beltran's table... >> >and then mingle afterwards. Whats not to enjoy? Oh >> >yeah, I forgot RB organsises it..... >> >> worse - he's *there* all the time... and he expects ladies to wear >> ball robes, i.e. with cleavage etc... > ><sigh> >well, my cleavage must not have been there then because he sat right at my >table twice... see??? :-) >LOL, just to chat with Tim and make sure everything was all >right for him. > cool excuse he used! :-) >> >> Jeez, Lisa! He's just an ordinary guy! >> > >> >LOL, of course he is, why would I not think he was????? >> >> you said you can't believe he was real - why would he not be?????? > >because most men aren't that witty or that beautiful...sorry! > you are right - most men are *more* handsome and more witty :-) >> >> > >> >> >I hope he does, I really hope he comes to Blackpool next year with >Kate >> >and >> >> >Robbie, >> >> >> >> I bet Brian got him to sign a contract last weekend... >> > >> >hopefully..... >> > >> >> if not he'll try his *very* best to get him. Beltran *always* gets >> invitations from everybody... > >thank goodness...wish he would from someone near Chicago > I bet he'll be there sooner or later.... >> >> sounds like poor Tim will feel *very* neglected and lonely if indeed >> >> he does come... :-(((((((((( >> > >> >LOL, I dont think for one minute poor Timmy will feel neglected because >> >Allie and I prefer Robbies arse to his! >> > >> > >> >> >> no - but it *must* hurt to see that those with five times his >> screentime also get the better time slots for their talks and five >> times the admiration he gets (because theY're more popular thanks to >> more exposure and because their time slots are more convenient than >> his)- *despite* not being anywhere near as good as he is... > >He didn't even seem to notice those things when i saw him...of course at the >Galaxy Ball, he and his band kicked off the whole event with their music, so >I doubt they felt neglected. you just admitted that they *were*... >> *he* does get invited to conventions, no matter how poorly he behaves >> and how many people he pisses off. Tim has to wait till the >> replacement of the originally invited guest cancels as well and *then* >> he'll get invited - cause he's the only one still available for the >> weekend in question. *Or* he can do a concert at the convention if he >> absolutely wants to - but it's not included in the registration and he >> has to make sure to sell enough concert tickets if he wants to get >> paid. If he wants to do a guest talk as well he may do so - but he >> won't get paid for the extra effort. Convention organizers know that >> no matter how talented an actor and how great a convention guest, if >> he's only playing a minor background character he's not popular enough >> to bring in the crowds. > >Ask Suzy again...TR was the invited guest and didn't arrive at a con >scheduled in Washington...so I guess it happens to everyone. yeah, because the con organizers didn't bother to confirm his flights - how should he have gone? Of course with someone like Beltran they would have bothered... And it *is* true that out of the five conventions where I've seen Tim he was the replacement of the replacement in two cases (and very last minute in both cases, and people had bought tickets to see either the person announced in the first place or the first replacement, but not to see *him* - great situation for an actor, I can assure you...), and two more were concert only events, where you had to pay for the convention to even be allowed to attend the concert (even if you were *not* interested in the convention speakers) and *then* pay an extra ticket for the concert, so that you could see Tim. The only one he did get invited to as first choice guest was the one where he could be announced as "first time in the area" - and everybody else had already been there, so if they wanted to do some big "first time..."-thing they had to go with him... Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-18 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Michele <belanna@uswest.net>)


Lisa wrote: > > "Therese Gray" <tgray@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message > news:2000061818070186296@zetnet.co.uk... > > The message <5E%25.2394$3I6.422026@news3.cableinet.net> > > from "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> contains these words: > > > > > Julianna wrote > > > > > > > > > > I have no idea who Chris Evans is, but if it's slid further down the > > > > ratings, then why do you think Tim got such great exposure for being > > > > on that show?? > > > > > I didnt say it was great exposure, just exposure and bear in mind we > only > > > have four regular channels that have a breakfast show, so he could in > all > > > essence have reached a quarter of the population that morning. > > > > > > > > > > > What I'm saying is that just being > > > > >an American actor who's launched a cd would not be enough to get him > on > > > the > > > > >Big Breakfast, but being Tuvok, a vulcan from Star Trek, would give > him > > > that > > > > >edge over another actor from a lesser known programme. > > > > > > > > yeah, sure... as if being Tuvok meant anything but the greatest > > > > disaster in his acting career... (sarcastic mode off) > > > > > well you take the chance and pay the price I'm afraid. > > > > I wonder what Julianna will do when it turns out Tim has not been > > harmed by his stint on Voyager? I guess she'll have to invent > > another lame duck to run round shrieking about, regardless of the facts. > > LOL! > > > > > Poor Tim! I can't help feeling he may be relieved to get this kind > > of "support" out of the way! > > > > Well, its certainly driven any sympathy I may ever have had out of the > window. same here, i also have noticed that i dont really care that much about the character also. -- Michele "take the cheese to sickbay" B'elanna What is the phrase heard most often in Voyager's Mess Hall? "Medical Emergency!!!" What did the blonde Klingon say? It was a good day to dye.

2000-06-18 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (ali@jupiter23.demon.co.uk)


On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 18:16:22 GMT, Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote: > >you condemned *Tim* as a musician because you didn't like the *kind* >or music he does... that's not really fair.. Lisa did not condem Tim as a musician she merely said it wasn't her type of music.....something she has every right to do! And I can confirm that when we heard the CD at Therese's neith I or Lisa liked the style of music. What is unfailr about that/ We can't pretend we like that sort of music just to please you! Allie x

2000-06-18 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Therese Gray <tgray@zetnet.co.uk>)


The message <5E%25.2394$3I6.422026@news3.cableinet.net> from "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> contains these words: > Julianna wrote > > > > I have no idea who Chris Evans is, but if it's slid further down the > > ratings, then why do you think Tim got such great exposure for being > > on that show?? > I didnt say it was great exposure, just exposure and bear in mind we only > have four regular channels that have a breakfast show, so he could in all > essence have reached a quarter of the population that morning. > > > > > What I'm saying is that just being > > >an American actor who's launched a cd would not be enough to get him on > the > > >Big Breakfast, but being Tuvok, a vulcan from Star Trek, would give him > that > > >edge over another actor from a lesser known programme. > > > > yeah, sure... as if being Tuvok meant anything but the greatest > > disaster in his acting career... (sarcastic mode off) > well you take the chance and pay the price I'm afraid. I wonder what Julianna will do when it turns out Tim has not been harmed by his stint on Voyager? I guess she'll have to invent another lame duck to run round shrieking about, regardless of the facts. Poor Tim! I can't help feeling he may be relieved to get this kind of "support" out of the way! > Lisa

2000-06-18 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


Julianna wrote > > > >Julie, its no different at all. Julianna likes and admire Russ/Tuvok, we > >all have the ones we like the most, the only difference being that none of > >us use the venom that Julianna does towards other actors/characters. Its > >beyond me what they have ever done to her to be at the receiving end of her > >continuous barrage. > > > > I *have* told you - but since your experiences are totally different, > you can't believe that my experiences were utterly, totally and > completely negative with Beltran. I would *never* want to see that guy > again. McNeill I *might* consider seeing - if e.g. he and Tim were at > the same convention and I were there anyway I might just go and see > RDM's talk as well. Beltran's *never*. I don't need to be condescended > to and leered at by a guy who thinks he has every right to do so just > because he's on a show that I watch. > No, you've told me that at one convention he wasnt pleasant and that you didnt enjoy seeing him, which is fair enough, not everyone likes everyone and different styles suit different people. I'm quite sure that things I laughed at on Saturday night you would have hated and thought dreadful, but to me they were very funny. That still does not explain why years later you still feel so very personally about a person who after all did nothing personal towards you and who in all essence had a bad weekend. Lisa

2000-06-18 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:8jgnks0eg1ab26ugp4hs6ra00bc40inorb@4ax.com... > On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 07:30:34 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: > > >Julianna wrote > > > >> > >> exactly - thanks for making that clear! :-) > >> Some people always feel like I'm threatening *their* darlings... :-) > > > >ROTFLOL! > > > >and look at your reaction when I said I didnt like Tims cd........... > > > > you condemned *Tim* as a musician because you didn't like the *kind* > or music he does... that's not really fair.. > You're getting things way out of proportion *again* Julianna, I said I didnt like his cd and I didnt like his singing, it was not to my taste. I never *condemned* him and I never said he was a bad singer. Yet again you are twisting peoples words to suit yourself. Lisa

2000-06-18 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Juli17" <juli17@aol.com> wrote in message news:20000617235914.00174.00000241@ng-fg1.aol.com... > >> > >>and look at your reaction when I said I didnt like Tims cd........... > >> > > > >you condemned *Tim* as a musician because you didn't like the *kind* > >or music he does... that's not really fair.. > > > >Julianna > > You have to be a little bit fair here Julianna. Lisa did not condemn Tim as a > *musician.* She said nothing negative about his voice or his talent at all. > She said she didn't like his type of MOR music. What if you don't like country > music for instance? Alan Jackson has a beautiful voice and plays a mean > guitar, but if you don't listen to his music because you don't like that *type* > of music, that is not a condemnation of his talent or him as a person, but > simply a statement about your personal taste in music. > Thanks Julie, its exactly how I felt, I listened to it for a while and it did nothing for me, end of story, but then neither do a whole bunch of singers and groups. Hell, I've just had the "Best of Adam and the Ants" for my birthday <g>. Lisa

2000-06-18 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


Julianna wrote > > > >You're missing the point I made, he is visible because he is a Vulcan > > there *is* no Vulcan to see for anybody. They will think you're > talking about Spock or whoever, they won'T remember having seen a > Vulcan on Voyager, because 99.9% of the cases there *is* none. Again you're missing the point I'm making, he is recognisable because of the role, irrelevant how little he appears, just the fact that he has the ears, as Chak has the tattoo and Jeri the catsuit makes them stick in peoples minds more than Garrett and Bob do. > >It used to be great fun, but once Chris Evans left it has slid further down > >the ratings. > > > > I have no idea who Chris Evans is, but if it's slid further down the > ratings, then why do you think Tim got such great exposure for being > on that show?? I didnt say it was great exposure, just exposure and bear in mind we only have four regular channels that have a breakfast show, so he could in all essence have reached a quarter of the population that morning. > > >> there are not that many. And I'd imagine that a guy touring the > >> country with a concert program would have a whole lot of a greater > >> impact on this country's cultural scene than somebody who's rarely > >> ever seen on a show that nobody watches anyway... :-) > > > >There are over Jules, no end of soap stars launch singing careers, I think > >the whole cast of Neighbours did it <g>. > > yeah - and how many of them have done concert tours? And how many do > play with a well known band and have their CDs released through an > actually existing label and not a private self-edition????? dont know, most of them are crap so I dont listen. Jason Donovan of course is another story <g> > > > What I'm saying is that just being > >an American actor who's launched a cd would not be enough to get him on the > >Big Breakfast, but being Tuvok, a vulcan from Star Trek, would give him that > >edge over another actor from a lesser known programme. > > yeah, sure... as if being Tuvok meant anything but the greatest > disaster in his acting career... (sarcastic mode off) well you take the chance and pay the price I'm afraid. Lisa

2000-06-18 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:msenkskvuojb06tarnsd7g3sk5abpphm4s@4ax.com... > On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:51:26 -0400, Merrick Baldelli > <mbaldelli@mindspring.com> wrote: > > >On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:37:26 GMT, Julianna Feigl > ><glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > >[snippety-do-da] > > > >>exactly - thanks for making that clear! :-) > >>Some people always feel like I'm threatening *their* darlings... :-) > > > > But you are Blanche, you are. > > > > You're forcing them to have to consider that not everyone > >shares their opinion on their heros and idols. It's never a fun > >process dealing with the realities that one man's hero is another > >man's villain. > > > > good point! :-) > LOL, it is, try taking it to heart yourself. Lisa

2000-06-18 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


Julianna wrote > > > >Why? Sounds like great fun, getting to meet up with everyone, have Q and A > >in the day > > yeah, with just RB and RDM.... well, stands to reason that as he hosts it Robert would do one, as for the others, I assume its down to availability and whether or not they want to do one, I think someone from another show did one last year. > > >and then a ball in the evening where *all* the starts sit at > >dinner with the guests > > yeah, with those guests that have connections to either the stars > themselves or the organizers... yep, c'est la vie I'm afraid, I'm sure this happens every where you go :-( > > >and then mingle afterwards. Whats not to enjoy? Oh > >yeah, I forgot RB organsises it..... > > worse - he's *there* all the time... and he expects ladies to wear > ball robes, i.e. with cleavage etc... NO! Thats too wicked for words <g> > >> > > >> > >> Jeez, Lisa! He's just an ordinary guy! > > > >LOL, of course he is, why would I not think he was????? > > you said you can't believe he was real - why would he not be?????? Its a general thing, not just Robert himself. First and foremost it was the character I was attracted to, if you read Doreens post elsewhere she states it all far better than I could (I think its being a teacher that does it <g>). I would have watched Trek anyway because I love it, but for me he has made it so much more enjoyable. Now I am in reality a very grounded person, I have a very happy life with my husband and kids, but I am also quite normal in that I like and admire certain people/characters and I have a very healthy fantasy life! LOL! When you have seen someone for years on the tv screen and seen pictures and read about them, you almost begin to feel that you know them, but of course you dont, but then when the reality is suddenly 2 feet away it hits you and you think "My God, they are a real person!" I remember feeling exactly the same way when I met Peter Davison, Mark Strickson and John Levene once, somehow you still imagine they will be what they are on screen, but of course they have more presence in reality. Now of all the people I've met Robert has by far the most "presence" and charisma of them all. > >> > > >> >I hope he does, I really hope he comes to Blackpool next year with Kate > >and > >> >Robbie, > >> > >> I bet Brian got him to sign a contract last weekend... > > > >hopefully..... > > > > if not he'll try his *very* best to get him. Beltran *always* gets > invitations from everybody... Well thats obviously because he's so popular....... > I doubt they'd put them on stage together. They'd have separate panels > each and I have absolutely *no* doubt who'd have the worst time slot > of all... I know, Ethan Phillips doesnt stand a chance. > >> > >> sounds like poor Tim will feel *very* neglected and lonely if indeed > >> he does come... :-(((((((((( > > > >LOL, I dont think for one minute poor Timmy will feel neglected because > >Allie and I prefer Robbies arse to his! > > > > > > > no - but it *must* hurt to see that those with five times his > screentime also get the better time slots for their talks and five > times the admiration he gets (because theY're more popular thanks to > more exposure and because their time slots are more convenient than > his)- *despite* not being anywhere near as good as he is... Um, no matter how much someone is shoved in your face if you dont like them, you dont like them. People like Robert and Robbie for a lot of reasons, screentime is not one of them. If they are more popular to see it must be because they are more entertaining. The one I am most looking forward to seeing though will be Kate, she should be really interesting. Bob Picardo would also, I imagine, be very funny and I would like to see Garrett, but the others I could take or leave. > > *he* does get invited to conventions, no matter how poorly he behaves > and how many people he pisses off. Tim has to wait till the > replacement of the originally invited guest cancels as well and *then* > he'll get invited - cause he's the only one still available for the > weekend in question. *Or* he can do a concert at the convention if he > absolutely wants to - but it's not included in the registration and he > has to make sure to sell enough concert tickets if he wants to get > paid. If he wants to do a guest talk as well he may do so - but he > won't get paid for the extra effort. Convention organizers know that > no matter how talented an actor and how great a convention guest, if > he's only playing a minor background character he's not popular enough > to bring in the crowds. > Its a tough life, isnt it?

2000-06-18 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (juli17@aol.com)


>> >>and look at your reaction when I said I didnt like Tims cd........... >> > >you condemned *Tim* as a musician because you didn't like the *kind* >or music he does... that's not really fair.. > >Julianna You have to be a little bit fair here Julianna. Lisa did not condemn Tim as a *musician.* She said nothing negative about his voice or his talent at all. She said she didn't like his type of MOR music. What if you don't like country music for instance? Alan Jackson has a beautiful voice and plays a mean guitar, but if you don't listen to his music because you don't like that *type* of music, that is not a condemnation of his talent or him as a person, but simply a statement about your personal taste in music. Julie

2000-06-19 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Michele <belanna@uswest.net>)


Lisa wrote: > > "Michele" <belanna@uswest.net> wrote in message > news:394E1261.2F4F989E@uswest.net... > > Allie Andrews wrote: > > > > > > Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote > > > > > > > As far as heros and idols go I think the only one who seriously does > any > > > > worshipping here is Julianna and perhaps the biggest one who needs to > > > learn > > > > this is Julianna herself. > > > > > > And for the second time today > > > > > > *applause* > > > > > > Allie > > > x > > > > I will also :applause: Hey girls what is this I hear about > > Sarah the duchess of York and Andrew (the royal family), did > > they get back together? > > I forgot to mention in my other post that she has actually been invited to > the big birthday bash the Royals are throwing soon to celebrate about 4 or 5 > of their birthdays. I believe its the first time the Queen has invited her > anywhere since the divorce. it would be. Or at least that is what I heard. -- Michele "take the cheese to sickbay" B'elanna What is the phrase heard most often in Voyager's Mess Hall? "Medical Emergency!!!" What did the blonde Klingon say? It was a good day to dye.

2000-06-19 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Michele <belanna@uswest.net>)


Allie Andrews wrote: > > Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote > > > Thats not something that I would freely admit to either Michele <g> > > Celine Dion makes me BARF > > Unfortunately she is part of my life at the moment. One of my favourite > people in the world, Debbie, asked me to sing at her wedding. I said yes, > thinking it would be a nice hymn of something. Then she announced that I > would be singing "Because you loved me" by Ms Dion. Grrrrrrrrrrrr > > Allie > x Ok i have to ask, why dont you guys like her. I like some of the songs. I hopw you guys still like me after admiting that I do like some of her songs. -- Michele "take the cheese to sickbay" B'elanna What is the phrase heard most often in Voyager's Mess Hall? "Medical Emergency!!!" What did the blonde Klingon say? It was a good day to dye.

2000-06-19 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Doreen Hartz <dthartz@inwave.com>)


"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:d5cqksc6j6inspqj4nso6dngqtrv5j187m@4ax.com... > On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 23:15:58 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" > <dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: > > > > >"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message > >news:kkgnksgl1d9ravsj01te02nft7qv0b2iru@4ax.com... > >> On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 07:40:02 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: > >> > >> >Julianna wrote > >> > > >> >> > >> >> >I'm going to try so hard to win the lottery now so that I can go to > >the > >> >> >Galaxy Ball, I would love to meet up with everyone again, especially > >> >Doreen > >> >> >as we've never met. > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> I'd like to meet her as well, though I'm not all that crazy about the > >> >> Galaxy Ball... > >> > > >> >Why? Sounds like great fun, getting to meet up with everyone, have Q and > >A > >> >in the day > >> > >> yeah, with just RB and RDM.... > > > >And Garrett (until he decided to ditch us for Vegas, rumor had it <G>) > > > > fact is, only the two I like least of all were there all the time... True, but that may not be the case this year. > > >> > >> >and then a ball in the evening where *all* the starts sit at > >> >dinner with the guests > >> > >> yeah, with those guests that have connections to either the stars > >> themselves or the organizers... > > > >or get lucky enough to sit and chat with Tim all through dinner! > > yeah, but that was just a lucky coincidence... and with my luck I'd > probably end up at Beltran's table... I don't think the man sat down through dinner...not to worry. > > >> >and then mingle afterwards. Whats not to enjoy? Oh > >> >yeah, I forgot RB organsises it..... > >> > >> worse - he's *there* all the time... and he expects ladies to wear > >> ball robes, i.e. with cleavage etc... > > > ><sigh> > >well, my cleavage must not have been there then because he sat right at my > >table twice... > > see??? :-) LOL <G> I wish! > > >LOL, just to chat with Tim and make sure everything was all > >right for him. > > > > cool excuse he used! :-) You are too kind to me Julianna:-) > > > >> >> Jeez, Lisa! He's just an ordinary guy! > >> > > >> >LOL, of course he is, why would I not think he was????? > >> > >> you said you can't believe he was real - why would he not be?????? > > > >because most men aren't that witty or that beautiful...sorry! > > > > you are right - most men are *more* handsome and more witty :-) Not in my experience, (but I don't expect to convince you) > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >I hope he does, I really hope he comes to Blackpool next year with > >Kate > >> >and > >> >> >Robbie, > >> >> > >> >> I bet Brian got him to sign a contract last weekend... > >> > > >> >hopefully..... > >> > > >> > >> if not he'll try his *very* best to get him. Beltran *always* gets > >> invitations from everybody... > > > >thank goodness...wish he would from someone near Chicago > > > > I bet he'll be there sooner or later.... <crossing my fingers, since it hasn't happened yet> > > > >> >> sounds like poor Tim will feel *very* neglected and lonely if indeed > >> >> he does come... :-(((((((((( > >> > > >> >LOL, I dont think for one minute poor Timmy will feel neglected because > >> >Allie and I prefer Robbies arse to his! > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> no - but it *must* hurt to see that those with five times his > >> screentime also get the better time slots for their talks and five > >> times the admiration he gets (because theY're more popular thanks to > >> more exposure and because their time slots are more convenient than > >> his)- *despite* not being anywhere near as good as he is... > > > >He didn't even seem to notice those things when i saw him...of course at the > >Galaxy Ball, he and his band kicked off the whole event with their music, so > >I doubt they felt neglected. > > you just admitted that they *were*... Because they were the opening act at the Galaxy Ball and played 4 songs? > > > >> *he* does get invited to conventions, no matter how poorly he behaves > >> and how many people he pisses off. Tim has to wait till the > >> replacement of the originally invited guest cancels as well and *then* > >> he'll get invited - cause he's the only one still available for the > >> weekend in question. *Or* he can do a concert at the convention if he > >> absolutely wants to - but it's not included in the registration and he > >> has to make sure to sell enough concert tickets if he wants to get > >> paid. If he wants to do a guest talk as well he may do so - but he > >> won't get paid for the extra effort. Convention organizers know that > >> no matter how talented an actor and how great a convention guest, if > >> he's only playing a minor background character he's not popular enough > >> to bring in the crowds. > > > >Ask Suzy again...TR was the invited guest and didn't arrive at a con > >scheduled in Washington...so I guess it happens to everyone. > > yeah, because the con organizers didn't bother to confirm his flights > - how should he have gone? Of course with someone like Beltran they > would have bothered... that could happen to anyone Julianna... > > And it *is* true that out of the five conventions where I've seen Tim > he was the replacement of the replacement in two cases (and very last > minute in both cases, and people had bought tickets to see either the > person announced in the first place or the first replacement, but not > to see *him* - great situation for an actor, I can assure you...), and > two more were concert only events, where you had to pay for the > convention to even be allowed to attend the concert (even if you were > *not* interested in the convention speakers) and *then* pay an extra > ticket for the concert, so that you could see Tim. The only one he did > get invited to as first choice guest was the one where he could be > announced as "first time in the area" - and everybody else had already > been there, so if they wanted to do some big "first time..."-thing > they had to go with him... Well it sounds like TR is good-hearted and willing to do this. It also seems like he is very comfortable with these sorts of situations. Doreen

2000-06-19 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Doreen Hartz <dthartz@inwave.com>)


"VoyagerLady" <voyagerlady13NOvoSPAM@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message news:1d0fd5e6.35ea801d@usw-ex0104-025.remarq.com... > "Doreen Hartz" <dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: > > > >> >my ISP doesn't let me read these messages after 2 days <sigh> > >> > >> your ISP sucks! > > > >Definitely not easy to read the NG unless I'm diligent. So if I > don't > >respond to a post (maybe a third of my own I never see), I don't > mean to be > >rude... > > > >Doreen > > > > Doreen, > > Go to www.remarq.com or www.deja.com > > You can get the ng there too. > > Ronda Thanks! :-) Doreen

2000-06-19 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:41:51 +0100, "Allie Andrews" <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk> wrote: >> Next time ask Robert for his cure of a hangover!! It involves raw eggs and >> tomatojuice and beer. Yuck! > >That would definitely make me sick! Feh. A better cure for hangovers involves Bloody Mary's. Leave the raw eggs to ferrets and weasels.

2000-06-19 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 18:01:51 GMT, Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote: >I think he meant Ron-duh who indeed says such stupid things on >occasion... Thanks for the correction. I've formally apologized.

2000-06-19 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 07:10:22 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >As far as heros and idols go I think the only one who seriously does any >worshipping here is Julianna and perhaps the biggest one who needs to learn >this is Julianna herself. And tell me, how can you tell the difference between the yelling fool, or the person yelling to correct the fool? After a while no one can.

2000-06-19 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 07:30:34 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >> exactly - thanks for making that clear! :-) >> Some people always feel like I'm threatening *their* darlings... :-) > >ROTFLOL! > >and look at your reaction when I said I didnt like Tims cd........... And you're winning points about throwing mud, how?

2000-06-19 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Sun, 18 Jun 2000 08:21:21 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >Again you're missing the point I'm making, he is recognisable because of the >role, irrelevant how little he appears, just the fact that he has the ears, >as Chak has the tattoo and Jeri the catsuit makes them stick in peoples >minds more than Garrett and Bob do. Not true about Garrett. He's quite recognizable. Even if his role isn't.

2000-06-19 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On 19 Jun 2000 02:28:00 GMT, juli17@aol.com (Juli17) wrote: >Having see Tim Russ a few times now, I'm glad to say that he has a much better >opinion of his own abilities and prospects than you do, and appears quite happy >with his life. Really, if his life was as bad as you want to believe, the poor >guy would have thrown himself in front of a train by now. And people accuse me of being the drama queen of a.t.s-t.v

2000-06-19 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Sun, 18 Jun 2000 19:28:27 -0700, Michele <belanna@uswest.net> wrote: >I have to agree. Julianna i think you need to take a step >back and take a breezier. You are taking this way to >seriously, you are acting obsessive and that is not healthy. Errr, Breezier?? Got a Dairy Queen near ya' too, huh??

2000-06-19 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 06:34:48 -0700, Michele <belanna@uswest.net> wrote: >I have to agree with lisa, Julianna is the one who has a >problem when people don't agree with her. And two wrongs don't make a right. I'm with Steve on this -- Julianna's being Julianna. I respect her and even like her; even if her passion outweighs her reasons. It's what maker her, her.

2000-06-19 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On 17 Jun 2000 06:01:23 GMT, juli17@aol.com (Juli17) wrote: [most snipped] It seems I got you and someone else confused. My apologies for the confusion I caused. However, I'll touch on this directly though: >The only thing I recall saying in this thread was that it was pointless to >resent the actors over how screentime is apportioned (or expect any of them to >give up his/her screentime, and I used Jeri Ryan as an example in that >scenario). Venting is never pointless regardless of the aim. If we don't vent with people that understand us, who can we vent to? >That was not directed only at Julianna, who has said before that >she resents RDM and Beltran's screentime (since she considers them lesser >actors, her valid personal opinion), but it also includes the fact that I could >name a dozen or more (not all here) who resent Jeri Ryan for her screentime. Such as I. I resent ALL their screen times because they're poorly acted out and even more poorly drawn up by the producers. I think they over-utilize characters because the producers and even the actors who portray them believe that more is better. I resent the fact that such characters like Kes were thrown out, not necessarily because the actress wanted out of the contract (she could have been replaced the easiest, considering the age span of Okampans), but because they made her so omnipotent in such a short time, she was close to Q-dom when she reached "The Gift". I resent the fact that when the producers said there would be a Vulcan on the bridge, that meant we would be seeing more of the same compassion vs. logic dilemmas we had seen in TOS that did make such a relationship between Kirk and Spock so dynamic. Instead, we're left with a hollow man of a vulcan who's presence on the bridge is nothing more than window dressing for the bridge, and such logic being emasculated in the presence of raw passion because humans know it all. I resent the fact that we have that bitch Janeway in charge of the ship with an attitude no better than Captain Bligh's. She leads with her jaw because her beliefs are right, in spite of even the facts we know to be correct and accurate as the viewing audience, creating needless and too often predictable pseudo-drama. Hell, if any of these story's were ever handed off to a publisher, why most of the story's would be so shredded up for contrived drama, the publisher would eventually say, "don't even waste your time submitted a story to be considered for publishing, until you go back to school and learn how to properly write." >And that point was made because IMO the actors have little to do with the >apportionment of screentime, that's all up the producers/writers. I seem to recall that an actor can get out of a contract if they so want to and if it's not going to further their career in the direction that they want to go. 90% of the contracts I've seen written up include such clauses. I seem to recall quite a few actors leaving shows for amiable reasons along that line in Babylon 5, Battlestar Galactica, Space: 1999, and so on.

2000-06-19 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Allie Andrews <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk>)


Brian Barjenbruch <brianb1@home.com> wrote > OTOH, you could rationalize it like this: She told you to sing that > song which was *by* Celine Dion, but she didn't necessarily tell you to > sing it in the *style* of Celine Dion. Do it as, say, the Metallica > version, just to see what they do... :) LOL Good idea Brian! Allie x

2000-06-19 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Allie Andrews <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk>)


Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote > >You're getting things way out of proportion *again* Julianna, I said I didnt > >like his cd and I didnt like his singing, > > See? You say it again... But Lisa is only expressing her opinion, one I have to say that I share. It doesn't mean Tim is a bad singer it just means we don't like his music. It would be a sad world if we all liked the same music!!! I, for example, hate Country Music with a passion but it is hugly pupular. I am not condeming Country MUsic, just exersicing my right to choose what I like and dilike. Seriously no one is out to ruin Tim, but no one is prepared to pretend to like things about him just to please you. You wouldn't pretend to like RDM or RB to poease anyone would you? Allie x

2000-06-19 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Allie Andrews <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk>)


Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote > As far as heros and idols go I think the only one who seriously does any > worshipping here is Julianna and perhaps the biggest one who needs to learn > this is Julianna herself. And for the second time today *applause* Allie x

2000-06-19 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


Julianna wrote > > > >yep, c'est la vie I'm afraid, I'm sure this happens every where you go :-( > > > probably - but then - if I know that in advance I can avoid the > disappointment, can I not? :-) I think you find it at any event with celebrities, there are always those who are closer and more in the know, so they always get to be with the stars and then there's the people that hang around them as well. > > because he's a *prominently featured big name star*. It *is* a fact > that people playing more important parts will attract greater > audiences, no matter whether they are nice and friendly or not. They > just generate a greater interest. I have heard people saying: "No, I > don't go to see actor X - he/she is only a recurring guest - I'm not > going to pay that much money to see him/her". No matter how many > people told them that X was a *great* convention guest. (and no, I'm > not thinking Tim here - it was somebody else). These same people do go > to see big name stars like Shatner and Spiner that are not half as > nice and friendly but play more prominent parts. They want to > socialize with the stars more than they want to meet nice and funny > people. You see, you and I see this very differently. I dont know about where you live, but over here Trek is not advertised in any way whatsoever. Occasionally Voyager gets recommended as Family Viewing in a newspaper for that day, incidentally Sundays ep was recommended by the Daily Mail and they used a picture of Tuvok!. So as far as I am concerned none of the stars gets any promotion at all, because it doesnt generate any interest. Were any of them to appear on a chat show I would say that Kate, Jeri and at a squeeze Bob would generate some interest, the rest wouldnt have a prayer. > > >> I doubt they'd put them on stage together. They'd have separate panels > >> each and I have absolutely *no* doubt who'd have the worst time slot > >> of all... > > > >I know, Ethan Phillips doesnt stand a chance. > > > > how funny - after all *he* probably got the best character development > last season... Yeah wonderful, 5 years as a buffoon and he finally makes a little headway at the end. I bet he's thrilled. > > > >Um, no matter how much someone is shoved in your face if you dont like them, > >you dont like them. > > maybe not you and I - but the general audience yes... I think you should perhaps credit people with a little more sense. If you have an interest in an actor/character you will want to see them. > > > People like Robert and Robbie for a lot of reasons, > >screentime is not one of them. If they are more popular to see it must be > >because they are more entertaining. > > > ROTFLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You *hope* it is that way. Robbie is the least > entertaining of the VOY-cast (with the possible exception of Jennifer > Lien), he may be nice and if you don'T mind his thoughtless remarks > he's probably okay, but he doesn'T have much presence, he can't > deliver a punch line and he's just overall not an entertainer. > Robert, OTOH, is just too self-absorbed and arrogant, condescending > and rude to be fun and to be appreciated by anybody but the > "Beltranistas"... LOL, okay. > > > > > The one I am most looking forward to > >seeing though will be Kate, she should be really interesting. > > > > I doubt you'll like her - she's *nothing* like Robert. You know, > really warm and friendly, and intelligent and not condescending at > all. A lady. And she has class. Why does everyone have to be like Robert for me to like them?????? > > >Bob Picardo would also, I imagine, be very funny > > he *is* > > >and I would like to see > >Garrett, but the others I could take or leave. > > > > very funny as well.... > > > So... Roxann, Jeri, Jennifer, Tim and Ethan (along with Robbie??) > woudn't even get a chance???? You would not even want to see what they > are like??? Why not??? because you don't like their characters??? If they were all at a convention I would go to each and everyone of their talks, because I think that it would be good to hear things from their points of view and just hear what they have to say. But everybody cant appeal to one person Jules and these are the people/characters that I find less appealing and interesting. Its not personal to them its just my taste. > >> > > > >Its a tough life, isnt it? > > apparently you think that's all a joke... and since you go to > conventions regularly and know lots of people that have been to > conventions and know convention organizers you also know that I'm > distorting things and that I have no clue what I'm talking about... > :-((((( <sigh> I dont think its a joke, I just think you are being overly dramatic about things. They are doing a job and a well paid one at that. Its given Tim the opportunity to direct and to do other projects like his CD and it will give them all the financial freedom for a time once Voyager is over to do something that they all enjoy. Conventions are another way to make money. Lets not kid ourselves over this, they may enjoy them, but they are still part of the job. There are worse things that happen in life than someone not being invited to appear at a convention, much worse. Lisa > > Julianna > -------- > Tuvok: > The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-19 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Michele <belanna@uswest.net>)


Allie Andrews wrote: > > Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote > > > >You're getting things way out of proportion *again* Julianna, I said I > didnt > > >like his cd and I didnt like his singing, > > > > See? You say it again... > > But Lisa is only expressing her opinion, one I have to say that I share. It > doesn't mean Tim is a bad singer it just means we don't like his music. > > It would be a sad world if we all liked the same music!!! I, for example, > hate Country Music with a passion but it is hugly pupular. I am not > condeming Country MUsic, just exersicing my right to choose what I like and > dilike. > > Seriously no one is out to ruin Tim, but no one is prepared to pretend to > like things about him just to please you. You wouldn't pretend to like RDM > or RB to poease anyone would you? > > Allie > x Allie makes a great point. I dont like country music either. heck I like celine dion, and I know many people who don't. -- Michele "take the cheese to sickbay" B'elanna What is the phrase heard most often in Voyager's Mess Hall? "Medical Emergency!!!" What did the blonde Klingon say? It was a good day to dye.

2000-06-19 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Michele <belanna@uswest.net>)


Allie Andrews wrote: > > Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote > > > As far as heros and idols go I think the only one who seriously does any > > worshipping here is Julianna and perhaps the biggest one who needs to > learn > > this is Julianna herself. > > And for the second time today > > *applause* > > Allie > x I will also :applause: Hey girls what is this I hear about Sarah the duchess of York and Andrew (the royal family), did they get back together? -- Michele "take the cheese to sickbay" B'elanna What is the phrase heard most often in Voyager's Mess Hall? "Medical Emergency!!!" What did the blonde Klingon say? It was a good day to dye.

2000-06-19 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Michele" <belanna@uswest.net> wrote in message news:394E1261.2F4F989E@uswest.net... > Allie Andrews wrote: > > > > Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote > > > > > As far as heros and idols go I think the only one who seriously does any > > > worshipping here is Julianna and perhaps the biggest one who needs to > > learn > > > this is Julianna herself. > > > > And for the second time today > > > > *applause* > > > > Allie > > x > > I will also :applause: Hey girls what is this I hear about > Sarah the duchess of York and Andrew (the royal family), did > they get back together? > -- They're supposedly going to remarry, but this appears in the papers every six months or so, so I dont take it seriously. You might be interested though, there was an interview with William for his birthday and loads of stuff in the papers about him and the Daily Mail have just started another serial about Diana and the Queen. If you would like this stuff you are more than welcome to it, I'll send it over. If you dont want to use your address you could email me someone elses, a relative perhaps and I'll gladly post it to you, I know how much you are interested in it all. Lisa

2000-06-19 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Michele" <belanna@uswest.net> wrote in message news:394E116D.59E5FF65@uswest.net... > Allie Andrews wrote: > > > > Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote > > > > > >You're getting things way out of proportion *again* Julianna, I said I > > didnt > > > >like his cd and I didnt like his singing, > > > > > > See? You say it again... > > > > But Lisa is only expressing her opinion, one I have to say that I share. It > > doesn't mean Tim is a bad singer it just means we don't like his music. > > > > It would be a sad world if we all liked the same music!!! I, for example, > > hate Country Music with a passion but it is hugly pupular. I am not > > condeming Country MUsic, just exersicing my right to choose what I like and > > dilike. > > > > Seriously no one is out to ruin Tim, but no one is prepared to pretend to > > like things about him just to please you. You wouldn't pretend to like RDM > > or RB to poease anyone would you? > > > > Allie > > x > > Allie makes a great point. I dont like country music > either. heck I like celine dion, and I know many people who > don't. > -- Thats not something that I would freely admit to either Michele <g>

2000-06-19 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Michele" <belanna@uswest.net> wrote in message news:394E1261.2F4F989E@uswest.net... > Allie Andrews wrote: > > > > Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote > > > > > As far as heros and idols go I think the only one who seriously does any > > > worshipping here is Julianna and perhaps the biggest one who needs to > > learn > > > this is Julianna herself. > > > > And for the second time today > > > > *applause* > > > > Allie > > x > > I will also :applause: Hey girls what is this I hear about > Sarah the duchess of York and Andrew (the royal family), did > they get back together? I forgot to mention in my other post that she has actually been invited to the big birthday bash the Royals are throwing soon to celebrate about 4 or 5 of their birthdays. I believe its the first time the Queen has invited her anywhere since the divorce.

2000-06-19 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Allie Andrews <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk>)


Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote > Thats not something that I would freely admit to either Michele <g> Celine Dion makes me BARF Unfortunately she is part of my life at the moment. One of my favourite people in the world, Debbie, asked me to sing at her wedding. I said yes, thinking it would be a nice hymn of something. Then she announced that I would be singing "Because you loved me" by Ms Dion. Grrrrrrrrrrrr Allie x

2000-06-19 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Allie Andrews" <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:8ilfom$n7q$1@plutonium.compulink.co.uk... > > Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote > > > Thats not something that I would freely admit to either Michele <g> > > Celine Dion makes me BARF > > Unfortunately she is part of my life at the moment. One of my favourite > people in the world, Debbie, asked me to sing at her wedding. I said yes, > thinking it would be a nice hymn of something. Then she announced that I > would be singing "Because you loved me" by Ms Dion. Grrrrrrrrrrrr ROTFLOL! Do you have to wear a meringue dress to do it in?????

2000-06-19 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Allie Andrews <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk>)


Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote > ROTFLOL! > > Do you have to wear a meringue dress to do it in????? Hehehehe No thank goodness! That would just complete the day for me!! Allie x

2000-06-19 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (juli17@aol.com)


>> > >*I* at least don't trample on somebody lying on the floor unable to >get up again... > >Julianna Having see Tim Russ a few times now, I'm glad to say that he has a much better opinion of his own abilities and prospects than you do, and appears quite happy with his life. Really, if his life was as bad as you want to believe, the poor guy would have thrown himself in front of a train by now. Julie

2000-06-20 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


Merrick wrote > >Who said they did. > > Your continuing to make comments about her posting style is > making such a point quite clearly. Dance all you want around the > point, girl -- but the fact of the matter is, this "you are/no you > are" attitude both of you are pulling is just as wrong as hers. LOL, maybe. > > >> I'm with Steve on this -- Julianna's being Julianna. I > >> respect her and even like her; even if her passion outweighs her > >> reasons. It's what maker her, her. > > > >Julianna may just be being Julianna, but have you considered that other > >people are perhaps just being their true selves and are fed up with being > >polite and understanding when all that its met with its rudeness and > >intransigience. > > So you think getting the last word in on who's right is going > to help everyone else sort out who's right and who's wrong? It's > rapidly getting to the point for even me to figure out who's the more > foolish. Its not a question of being right or wrong and I dont think anyone needs help from me or you to work out their own feelings on the matter. As to whether or not you consider me foolish, its pretty irrelevant to me either way. Lisa

2000-06-20 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Merrick Baldelli" <mbaldelli@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:im6vks0a9c531c3m8g6t6nlbopg8ts83ol@4ax.com... > On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 07:29:08 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: > > >"Merrick Baldelli" <mbaldelli@mindspring.com> wrote in message > >news:m6nskskucpjdtl6ua39e23jfcb7oi7uldb@4ax.com... > >> On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 07:30:34 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: > >> > >> >> exactly - thanks for making that clear! :-) > >> >> Some people always feel like I'm threatening *their* darlings... :-) > >> > > >> >ROTFLOL! > >> > > >> >and look at your reaction when I said I didnt like Tims cd........... > >> > >> And you're winning points about throwing mud, how? > >> > > > >Who said I was winning points? > > You're certainly trying to score something with your digs > about Julianna's personality, single-minded dedication, and most of > all attempting to, in so many words, play the game of "I'm better than > you because I can see the difference and you can't." > > Its good to have someone like you around who can point out our failings so well.

2000-06-20 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


Merrick wrote > > Oh wait, or better yet, you're attempting to actively > censuring someone through the use of peer pressure? How big of you to > think we need another moderator here. > > LOL, seems no different to what you're trying to do to me.

2000-06-20 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - ("Engaged Pie (aka Gordon)" <sweetiepie_1966@yahoo.com>)


Merrick Baldelli wrote > "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: > >"Merrick Baldelli" wrote > >> On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 06:34:48 -0700, Michele <belanna@uswest.net> > >> wrote: > >> > >> >I have to agree with lisa, Julianna is the one who has a > >> >problem when people don't agree with her. > >> > >> And two wrongs don't make a right. > > > >Who said they did. > > Your continuing to make comments about her posting style is > making such a point quite clearly. Dance all you want around the > point, girl -- but the fact of the matter is, this "you are/no you > are" attitude both of you are pulling is just as wrong as hers. > > >> I'm with Steve on this -- Julianna's being Julianna. I > >> respect her and even like her; even if her passion outweighs her > >> reasons. It's what maker her, her. > > > >Julianna may just be being Julianna, but have you considered that other > >people are perhaps just being their true selves and are fed up with being > >polite and understanding when all that its met with its rudeness and > >intransigience. > > So you think getting the last word in on who's right is going > to help everyone else sort out who's right and who's wrong? It's > rapidly getting to the point for even me to figure out who's the more > foolish. > > Oh wait, or better yet, you're attempting to actively > censuring someone through the use of peer pressure? How big of you to > think we need another moderator here. <holds up a giant mirror>

2000-06-20 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On 20 Jun 2000 05:25:24 GMT, juli17@aol.com (Juli17) wrote: >1. Voyager is a good gig. Not many actors get a seven year run on a regular >series. That is a lot of security that is hard to turn your back on in a >career as uncertain as acting. The salary stands, no matter how much >screentime each individual actor is getting. Add to that the fact being in a >Star Trek series has built in bonuses, like being paid to attend conventions. > >2. They like working together. Maybe they have frustrations about screentime, >or the writing, but enjoying one's job and the people one works with can make >up for a lot of frustrations. 3. 7 years looks good on a resume. Who cares if the only reason it's 7 years is because it was the cornerstone to a shitty network. You need to keep out the altruism, this is hollywood you're talking about -- altruism is usually beaten out of you the instant you have name recognition.

2000-06-20 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 07:29:07 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >> Not true about Garrett. He's quite recognizable. Even if his >> role isn't. > >There is nothing about the role that makes it memorable though. Precisely what I said.

2000-06-20 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:40:05 -0700, Michele <belanna@uswest.net> wrote: >Ok i have to ask, why dont you guys like her. I like some of >the songs. I hopw you guys still like me after admiting that >I do like some of her songs. Because she's a shrieking banshee.

2000-06-20 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 07:29:08 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >"Merrick Baldelli" <mbaldelli@mindspring.com> wrote in message >news:m6nskskucpjdtl6ua39e23jfcb7oi7uldb@4ax.com... >> On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 07:30:34 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >> >> >> exactly - thanks for making that clear! :-) >> >> Some people always feel like I'm threatening *their* darlings... :-) >> > >> >ROTFLOL! >> > >> >and look at your reaction when I said I didnt like Tims cd........... >> >> And you're winning points about throwing mud, how? >> > >Who said I was winning points? You're certainly trying to score something with your digs about Julianna's personality, single-minded dedication, and most of all attempting to, in so many words, play the game of "I'm better than you because I can see the difference and you can't."

2000-06-20 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 07:29:09 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: > >"Merrick Baldelli" <mbaldelli@mindspring.com> wrote in message >news:e4nskss50hevtis1sn1mtmaeq13klpqemm@4ax.com... >> On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 06:34:48 -0700, Michele <belanna@uswest.net> >> wrote: >> >> >I have to agree with lisa, Julianna is the one who has a >> >problem when people don't agree with her. >> >> And two wrongs don't make a right. > >Who said they did. Your continuing to make comments about her posting style is making such a point quite clearly. Dance all you want around the point, girl -- but the fact of the matter is, this "you are/no you are" attitude both of you are pulling is just as wrong as hers. >> I'm with Steve on this -- Julianna's being Julianna. I >> respect her and even like her; even if her passion outweighs her >> reasons. It's what maker her, her. > >Julianna may just be being Julianna, but have you considered that other >people are perhaps just being their true selves and are fed up with being >polite and understanding when all that its met with its rudeness and >intransigience. So you think getting the last word in on who's right is going to help everyone else sort out who's right and who's wrong? It's rapidly getting to the point for even me to figure out who's the more foolish. Oh wait, or better yet, you're attempting to actively censuring someone through the use of peer pressure? How big of you to think we need another moderator here.

2000-06-20 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Steve Christianson" <stevechristianson@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:394F5209.2779@yahoo.com... > X-No-Archive: yes > > > > Lisa wrote: > > > > > I'm with Steve on this -- Julianna's being Julianna. I > > > respect her and even like her; even if her passion outweighs her > > > reasons. It's what maker her, her. > > > > > > > Julianna may just be being Julianna, but have you considered that other > > people are perhaps just being their true selves and are fed up with being > > polite and understanding when all that its met with its rudeness and > > intransigience. > > > Agreed. My comment was meant to say just take Julianna's comments with a > grain of salt when she kooks out over Tim. Thanks Steve, I thought that was what you meant, but Merricks post made me unsure. I understand what you mean about not taking it too seriously, but sometimes it just gets a little difficult to keep ignoring.

2000-06-20 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


Steve wrote > > > Agreed. My comment was meant to say just take Julianna's comments with a > > > grain of salt when she kooks out over Tim. > > > > Thanks Steve, I thought that was what you meant, but Merricks post made me > > unsure. I understand what you mean about not taking it too seriously, but > > sometimes it just gets a little difficult to keep ignoring. > > > I understand, and I'm the last person to put up with personal insults. > It's even been said that I have a...temper. [innocent look] <g> LOL, I'd never noticed <g> > But, in > the over two years that I've been here I've never seen Julianna quite > grasp the holes in her arguments (remember the racism thing?), so why > bother? True, I'm beginning to feel like I'm repeatedly banging my head against a brick wall, but I dont see why I shouldnt be able to make a comment about a cd or Robert Beltran without being attacked the way I have been lately. > > I think Julianna is a nice person and I like her, but there's no having > a rational conversation about Tim Russ with her, so I've long since > given up. You'll get no arguments from me about Jules being a nice person and as a rule we generally get on well together, as I said to you in my email perhaps I'm just too tired and taking it too seriously this time. Maybe I should just leave well alone and not bother at all. Lisa

2000-06-20 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Allie Andrews <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk>)


Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote > True, I'm beginning to feel like I'm repeatedly banging my head against a > brick wall, but I dont see why I shouldnt be able to make a comment about a > cd or Robert Beltran without being attacked the way I have been lately. No you certainly shouldn't have to take it. Your comments about the CD were not at all rude but the response to them was. I got angry about it on your behalf so lord knows how you were feeling! > You'll get no arguments from me about Jules being a nice person and as a > rule we generally get on well together, as I said to you in my email perhaps > I'm just too tired and taking it too seriously this time. Maybe I should > just leave well alone and not bother at all. Agreed! Leave Tim Russ, RDB and Robert Beltran out of the conversation and I get on really well with Julianna. She is a nice person which makes it all the more difficult to understand. I know how you feel about leaving it alone. I have said that to myself many times and on many, many occasions do. However it is very difficult when "real people" are being wrongly insulted. I don't give a stuff what anyone says about the characters but when it becomes personal about the actors themselves I feel compelled to respond. It is just the way I am, I hate to see unfairness. At the end of the day some of this starts just from posting opinions because that is what this forum is all about. I would hate to get to a situation where we were all censoring our posts for fear someone might be offended. For example, you posted that you don't like TR's style of music...................that caused problems, should you no longer post your opinion like that? I would hope EVERYONE would give a resounding NO to that. However, if you thought TR was a complete wanker who should be banned from the screen forever, should you post that? Personally I think not because it is an unfounded insult on the guy but of course I have no right to stop anyone! Sadly some people still fail to see the difference between expressing an opinion about something the actor has done and pure insults. :-( And of course far worse than that is when someone on the NG is insulted for their opinion and that is something I will always take a stand against. Whatever our differing opinions are we should all be respected for them and NEVER insulted. That I hope the people I have come to know on this NG will never stand for either, who ever is doing the insulting! Allie <---------- hoping she is making SOME sense, but doubts it x

2000-06-20 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Allie Andrews" <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:8inpj2$j8e$1@plutonium.compulink.co.uk... > > Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote > > > True, I'm beginning to feel like I'm repeatedly banging my head against a > > brick wall, but I dont see why I shouldnt be able to make a comment about > a > > cd or Robert Beltran without being attacked the way I have been lately. > > No you certainly shouldn't have to take it. Your comments about the CD were > not at all rude but the response to them was. I got angry about it on your > behalf so lord knows how you were feeling! Pretty pissed off really <g> > > > You'll get no arguments from me about Jules being a nice person and as a > > rule we generally get on well together, as I said to you in my email > perhaps > > I'm just too tired and taking it too seriously this time. Maybe I should > > just leave well alone and not bother at all. > > Agreed! Leave Tim Russ, RDB and Robert Beltran out of the conversation and I > get on really well with Julianna. She is a nice person which makes it all > the more difficult to understand. I couldnt put it better myself. > > I know how you feel about leaving it alone. I have said that to myself many > times and on many, many occasions do. However it is very difficult when > "real people" are being wrongly insulted. I don't give a stuff what anyone > says about the characters but when it becomes personal about the actors > themselves I feel compelled to respond. It is just the way I am, I hate to > see unfairness. > > At the end of the day some of this starts just from posting opinions because > that is what this forum is all about. I would hate to get to a situation > where we were all censoring our posts for fear someone might be offended. > For example, you posted that you don't like TR's style of > music...................that caused problems, should you no longer post your > opinion like that? I would hope EVERYONE would give a resounding NO to that. Yep, which is why although I disagree with many people over RB's acting, I never launch personal tirades against them because its so subjective, one mans meat etc... > > And of course far worse than that is when someone on the NG is insulted for their opinion and that is something I will always take a stand against. Whatever our differing opinions are we should all be respected for them and NEVER insulted. That I hope the people I have come to know on this NG will never stand for either, who ever is doing the insulting! > > Allie <---------- hoping she is making SOME sense, but doubts it You certainly made alot of sense, and there's nothing I can really add to it! Lisa

2000-06-20 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Merrick Baldelli" <mbaldelli@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:m6nskskucpjdtl6ua39e23jfcb7oi7uldb@4ax.com... > On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 07:30:34 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: > > >> exactly - thanks for making that clear! :-) > >> Some people always feel like I'm threatening *their* darlings... :-) > > > >ROTFLOL! > > > >and look at your reaction when I said I didnt like Tims cd........... > > And you're winning points about throwing mud, how? > > Who said I was winning points?

2000-06-20 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Merrick Baldelli" <mbaldelli@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:e4nskss50hevtis1sn1mtmaeq13klpqemm@4ax.com... > On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 06:34:48 -0700, Michele <belanna@uswest.net> > wrote: > > >I have to agree with lisa, Julianna is the one who has a > >problem when people don't agree with her. > > And two wrongs don't make a right. Who said they did. > > I'm with Steve on this -- Julianna's being Julianna. I > respect her and even like her; even if her passion outweighs her > reasons. It's what maker her, her. > Julianna may just be being Julianna, but have you considered that other people are perhaps just being their true selves and are fed up with being polite and understanding when all that its met with its rudeness and intransigience.

2000-06-20 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Merrick Baldelli" <mbaldelli@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:9cnsks0fha6373ud2fe3o1hhbfcj245du3@4ax.com... > On Sun, 18 Jun 2000 08:21:21 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: > > >Again you're missing the point I'm making, he is recognisable because of the > >role, irrelevant how little he appears, just the fact that he has the ears, > >as Chak has the tattoo and Jeri the catsuit makes them stick in peoples > >minds more than Garrett and Bob do. > > Not true about Garrett. He's quite recognizable. Even if his > role isn't. > > There is nothing about the role that makes it memorable though.

2000-06-20 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (knowbody@hotmail.com)


In article <394EBD65.B97ACD60@uswest.net>, Michele <belanna@uswest.net> wrote: re Celine Dion: > > x > > Ok i have to ask, why dont you guys like her. I like some of > the songs. I hopw you guys still like me after admiting that > I do like some of her songs. okay, I like some of her songs. I even have a cd. But as a Canadian, I am sick and tired to death of her being in the news every damn day up here. She spent all of last year telling us (read: promising us) she was going to retire. Retire already!!!! Go away! Here it is, six months later, and she's STILL in the damn limelight day after day. She's pregnant finally. Whoopee! But apparently announcing it within *days* of conception wasn't enough, now we're probably gonna end up hearing a blow by blow every stinking day for the next nine months (and beyond!) I can see it now: "Celine had morning sickness today" "Celine's ankles are swollen today" I congratulate her on finally becoming pregnant. God knows, I know infertility, I was there. But go with grace, for heaven's sakes, woman! *can we get back to Voyager here now?* Marianne -- hope4Bryan, we love you, we want you back, but mostly we want you to get better soon!

2000-06-20 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (juli17@aol.com)


Merrick wrote: > It seems I got you and someone else confused. My apologies >for the confusion I caused. Thank you. (various resentments snipped) I don't think some of the characters are quite as bad as you do. But I do indeed resent that the potential that was there for these characters in the beginning (and I felt they all had a great deal of potential to be fully and intriguingly developed characters) has been mostly wasted. What *could have been,* with a little effort and genuine interest in the characters, is so far away from what we've gotten. > >>And that point was made because IMO the actors have little to do with the >>apportionment of screentime, that's all up the producers/writers. > > I seem to recall that an actor can get out of a contract if >they so want to and if it's not going to further their career in the >direction that they want to go. 90% of the contracts I've seen >written up include such clauses. I seem to recall quite a few actors >leaving shows for amiable reasons along that line in Babylon 5, >Battlestar Galactica, Space: 1999, and so on. Well, they still aren't in control of their screentime ;-) But you're right, any of them could leave if they wanted to, or really felt that Voyager was stifling their careers. None of them have, because, 1. Voyager is a good gig. Not many actors get a seven year run on a regular series. That is a lot of security that is hard to turn your back on in a career as uncertain as acting. The salary stands, no matter how much screentime each individual actor is getting. Add to that the fact being in a Star Trek series has built in bonuses, like being paid to attend conventions. 2. They like working together. Maybe they have frustrations about screentime, or the writing, but enjoying one's job and the people one works with can make up for a lot of frustrations. IMO of course, Julie

2000-06-20 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - ("EvilBill[AGQx]" <evilbill25NOSPAM@freeuk.com>)


"Michele" <belanna@uswest.net> wrote in message news:394EBD65.B97ACD60@uswest.net... > Allie Andrews wrote: > > > > Celine Dion makes me BARF > > > > Unfortunately she is part of my life at the moment. One of my favourite > > people in the world, Debbie, asked me to sing at her wedding. I said yes, > > thinking it would be a nice hymn of something. Then she announced that I > > would be singing "Because you loved me" by Ms Dion. Grrrrrrrrrrrr > > > Ok i have to ask, why dont you guys like her. I like some of > the songs. I hopw you guys still like me after admiting that > I do like some of her songs. Personally, I just can't stand her music, heh. -- Walk with the prophets. ICQ: 37464244 Remove NOSPAM from my e-mail address to reply

2000-06-21 00:00:00 - Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - ("Ta', 1/3 of the Janeway/Seven equation" <tateria@yahoo.com>)


Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com> wrote in message news:39513E52.A1A29C76@collegetoday.com... > Steve Christianson wrote: > > > > Peace-Accord-Yes-Archive: Er ... > > > > [Just in case anyone missed The Clue, this > > was Steve's humorous attempt to pre-empt > > another NG spat. "Can't we all just get along?"] > > No. > > [patented Ta-styled bitchslap] LOL!!! I was SO going to say that..

2000-06-21 00:00:00 - Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Michele <belanna@uswest.net>)


Therese Gray wrote: > > No contest. > > Lisa has already won without even trying. :) > > Sigh... > > "Methinks Merrick and Julianna both protest *FAR* too much... " > > <VBEG> Oh i totally agree -- Michele "take the cheese to sickbay" B'elanna What is the phrase heard most often in Voyager's Mess Hall? "Medical Emergency!!!" What did the blonde Klingon say? It was a good day to dye.

2000-06-21 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On 20 Jun 2000 05:25:24 GMT, juli17@aol.com (Juli17) wrote: >Well, they still aren't in control of their screentime ;-) But you're right, >any of them could leave if they wanted to, or really felt that Voyager was >stifling their careers. None of them have, because, > leaving now would be even more detrimental than staying... >1. Voyager is a good gig. Not many actors get a seven year run on a regular >series. That is a lot of security that is hard to turn your back on in a >career as uncertain as acting. The salary stands, no matter how much >screentime each individual actor is getting. though it's safe to assume that those with less screentime also get paid less. If they were paid well they *would* be used to make them earn their money... > Add to that the fact being in a >Star Trek series has built in bonuses, like being paid to attend conventions. > *if* you get invited... >2. They like working together. Maybe they have frustrations about screentime, >or the writing, but enjoying one's job and the people one works with can make >up for a lot of frustrations. > not for lost career opportunities that you can never recapture... >IMO of course, > Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-21 00:00:00 - Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:10:36 GMT, Steve Christianson <stevechristianson@yahoo.com> wrote: >X-No-Archive: yes > > > >THURSDAY!! THURSDAY!! THURSDAY!! > >Come to the Battle Royale at the Thunderdome in scenic Seacaucus, New >Jersey for the steel cage grudge match between Lisa "Chakfan" Dugmore >and Merrick "Bad Boy" Baldelli. There's bad blood between these two, >folks: will Merrick win with his patented "hagslap" or will Lisa triumph >with her Pokemon "I choose you!" stare? > >Special guest referee: Robert Beltran! >Color commentator: Tim Russ! >Scorecard girl: Miss Julianna Feigl! > >Don't miss this one, it's the fight of the century! Your ticket pays for >the whole seat, but you'll only need <<<THE EDGE>>> > > >:-) > > >[Just in case anyone missed The Clue, this was Steve's humorous attempt >to pre-empt another NG spat. "Can't we all just get along?"] not sure... :-(((((( they adore a jerk and critize everything Tim says or does :-((((((( (sulks in corner) Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-21 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:31:42 -0400, Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com> wrote: >On 20 Jun 2000 05:25:24 GMT, juli17@aol.com (Juli17) wrote: > >>1. Voyager is a good gig. Not many actors get a seven year run on a regular >>series. That is a lot of security that is hard to turn your back on in a >>career as uncertain as acting. The salary stands, no matter how much >>screentime each individual actor is getting. Add to that the fact being in a >>Star Trek series has built in bonuses, like being paid to attend conventions. >> >>2. They like working together. Maybe they have frustrations about screentime, >>or the writing, but enjoying one's job and the people one works with can make >>up for a lot of frustrations. > > 3. 7 years looks good on a resume. Who cares if the only >reason it's 7 years is because it was the cornerstone to a shitty >network. > yeah, sure... 7 years in the background... there is more exposure by doing only one small guest spot every other month than in doing the background furniture stuff on Voyager... Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-21 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:14:45 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: > >"Merrick Baldelli" <mbaldelli@mindspring.com> wrote in message >news:im6vks0a9c531c3m8g6t6nlbopg8ts83ol@4ax.com... >> On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 07:29:08 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >> >> >"Merrick Baldelli" <mbaldelli@mindspring.com> wrote in message >> >news:m6nskskucpjdtl6ua39e23jfcb7oi7uldb@4ax.com... >> >> On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 07:30:34 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> exactly - thanks for making that clear! :-) >> >> >> Some people always feel like I'm threatening *their* darlings... :-) >> >> > >> >> >ROTFLOL! >> >> > >> >> >and look at your reaction when I said I didnt like Tims cd........... >> >> >> >> And you're winning points about throwing mud, how? >> >> >> > >> >Who said I was winning points? >> >> You're certainly trying to score something with your digs >> about Julianna's personality, single-minded dedication, and most of >> all attempting to, in so many words, play the game of "I'm better than >> you because I can see the difference and you can't." >> >> exactly > >Its good to have someone like you around who can point out our failings so >well. > > Sorry, Lisa, but I think the difference between you and me is that *I* realize I'm doing the same thing you are doing - you don't. Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-21 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com>)


Lisa wroteded: > "Zabana Brandon" wrote: > > Lisa wroteded: > > > Merrick wrote > > > > > > > Your continuing to make comments about her posting style is > > > > making such a point quite clearly. Dance all you want around the > > > > point, girl -- but the fact of the matter is, this "you are/no you > > > > are" attitude both of you are pulling is just as wrong as hers. > > > > > > Girl?? > > > > > > ROTFLOL! Is that supposed to intimidate me???? > > > > I don't know ... girls scare me. > > LOL, you wuss! Not really. Women don't scare me, just girls. <g>

2000-06-21 00:00:00 - Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (PJinNH <pjmerrill47NOpjSPAM@excite.com.invalid>)


Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote: >On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:10:36 GMT, Steve Christianson ><stevechristianson@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>X-No-Archive: yes >> >> >> >>THURSDAY!! THURSDAY!! THURSDAY!! >> >>Come to the Battle Royale at the Thunderdome in scenic Seacaucus, New >>Jersey for the steel cage grudge match between Lisa "Chakfan" Dugmore >>and Merrick "Bad Boy" Baldelli. There's bad blood between these two, >>folks: will Merrick win with his patented "hagslap" or will Lisa triumph >>with her Pokemon "I choose you!" stare? >> >>Special guest referee: Robert Beltran! >>Color commentator: Tim Russ! >>Scorecard girl: Miss Julianna Feigl! >> >>Don't miss this one, it's the fight of the century! Your ticket pays for >>the whole seat, but you'll only need <<<THE EDGE>>> >> >> >>:-) >> >> >>[Just in case anyone missed The Clue, this was Steve's humorous attempt >>to pre-empt another NG spat. "Can't we all just get along?"] > >not sure... :-(((((( > >they adore a jerk and critize everything Tim says or does :- ((((((( > > >(sulks in corner) > Juilanna, my dear, I'm afraid that you've become boring...and extremely predictable. Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

2000-06-21 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (VoyagerLady <voyagerlady13NOvoSPAM@yahoo.com.invalid>)


Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote: >On 20 Jun 2000 05:25:24 GMT, juli17@aol.com (Juli17) wrote: > >> Add to that the fact being in a >>Star Trek series has built in bonuses, like being paid to attend conventions. >> > >*if* you get invited... Tim Russ has been invited to cons. IN fact, Creation recently announced that Tim is a major guess of a NEWLY announced con in Houston. It is to be held in July. > >>2. They like working together. Maybe they have frustrations about screentime, >>or the writing, but enjoying one's job and the people one works with can make >>up for a lot of frustrations. >> > >not for lost career opportunities that you can never recapture... > What PROOF do you have of any loss of career oppotrunities that Tim has suffered? Ronda Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

2000-06-21 00:00:00 - Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Zabana Brandon" <zabana@collegetoday.com> wrote in message news:39513E09.EFB5509B@collegetoday.com... > Lisa wroteded: > > Stevie wrote > > > > > > > > THURSDAY!! THURSDAY!! THURSDAY!! > > > > > > Come to the Battle Royale at the Thunderdome > > > in scenic Seacaucus, New Jersey for the steel > > > cage grudge match between Lisa "Chakfan" Dugmore > > > and Merrick "Bad Boy" Baldelli. There's bad blood > > > between these two, folks: will Merrick win with > > > his patented "hagslap" or will Lisa triumph > > > with her Pokemon "I choose you!" stare? > > > > I've been thumping my team hard and Pikachu > > is in top form, his Thundersock is a sight > > to behold and it will take all Merricks > > facial hair away <g>. > > o_O > > Thundersock? > > I don't think I wanna know what's under the sock > to make it so thunderfull ... > Damn! I've belittled my Pikachu to the world!

2000-06-21 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Zabana Brandon" <zabana@collegetoday.com> wrote in message news:39513D68.39DC626A@collegetoday.com... > Lisa wroteded: > > Merrick wrote > > > > > Your continuing to make comments about her posting style is > > > making such a point quite clearly. Dance all you want around the > > > point, girl -- but the fact of the matter is, this "you are/no you > > > are" attitude both of you are pulling is just as wrong as hers. > > > > Girl?? > > > > ROTFLOL! Is that supposed to intimidate me???? > > I don't know ... girls scare me. LOL, you wuss! > > They're worse than Evil Klowns ... Now, they are scary......

2000-06-21 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Merrick Baldelli" <mbaldelli@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:ahl1lso1n4tpvunfhvos29e8hit865lpic@4ax.com... > On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:49:10 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: > > >Thanks Steve, I thought that was what you meant, but Merricks post made me > >unsure. I understand what you mean about not taking it too seriously, but > >sometimes it just gets a little difficult to keep ignoring. > > Merrick's post reinforced that two-hundred fold. > > How exactly????

2000-06-21 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:34:06 -0400, Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com> wrote: > I seem to recall that an actor can get out of a contract if >they so want to and if it's not going to further their career in the >direction that they want to go. not that easily. I asked Richard Arnold about that when Lien was fired and he said the studio has all the rights, the actors have none. They have to remain true to their contracts, the studio doesn't have to. >90% of the contracts I've seen >written up include such clauses. I seem to recall quite a few actors >leaving shows for amiable reasons along that line in Babylon 5, >Battlestar Galactica, Space: 1999, and so on. > of course they *can* get out - it's just that if the studio doesn't agree they *Will* find ways to get back at them... Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-21 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:34:07 -0400, Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com> wrote: >On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 18:01:51 GMT, Julianna Feigl ><glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote: > >>I think he meant Ron-duh who indeed says such stupid things on >>occasion... > > Thanks for the correction. I've formally apologized. > :-) Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-21 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:34:08 -0400, Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com> wrote: >On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 06:34:48 -0700, Michele <belanna@uswest.net> >wrote: > >>I have to agree with lisa, Julianna is the one who has a >>problem when people don't agree with her. > > And two wrongs don't make a right. > > I'm with Steve on this -- Julianna's being Julianna. I >respect her and even like her; :-) >even if her passion outweighs her >reasons. not so sure that is a compliment... > It's what maker her, her. Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-21 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 21:18:20 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" <dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: > >"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message >news:d5cqksc6j6inspqj4nso6dngqtrv5j187m@4ax.com... >> On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 23:15:58 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" >> <dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: >> >> >And Garrett (until he decided to ditch us for Vegas, rumor had it <G>) >> > >> >> fact is, only the two I like least of all were there all the time... > >True, but that may not be the case this year. but how would we know early enough to decide? >> >> >and then a ball in the evening where *all* the starts sit at >> >> >dinner with the guests >> >> >> >> yeah, with those guests that have connections to either the stars >> >> themselves or the organizers... >> > >> >or get lucky enough to sit and chat with Tim all through dinner! >> >> yeah, but that was just a lucky coincidence... and with my luck I'd >> probably end up at Beltran's table... > >I don't think the man sat down through dinner...not to worry. > LOL! >> >> >and then mingle afterwards. Whats not to enjoy? Oh >> >> >yeah, I forgot RB organsises it..... >> >> >> >> worse - he's *there* all the time... and he expects ladies to wear >> >> ball robes, i.e. with cleavage etc... >> > >> ><sigh> >> >well, my cleavage must not have been there then because he sat right at >my >> >table twice... >> >> see??? :-) > >LOL <G> I wish! > don'T worry - I'm sure he noticed :-) >> >LOL, just to chat with Tim and make sure everything was all >> >right for him. >> > >> >> cool excuse he used! :-) > >You are too kind to me Julianna:-) I'm a nice person, you know? :-) >> >> >> Jeez, Lisa! He's just an ordinary guy! >> >> > >> >> >LOL, of course he is, why would I not think he was????? >> >> >> >> you said you can't believe he was real - why would he not be?????? >> > >> >because most men aren't that witty or that beautiful...sorry! >> > >> >> you are right - most men are *more* handsome and more witty :-) > >Not in my experience, (but I don't expect to convince you) > at least you know that would be a pointless attempt... :-) >> >> if not he'll try his *very* best to get him. Beltran *always* gets >> >> invitations from everybody... >> > >> >thank goodness...wish he would from someone near Chicago >> > >> >> I bet he'll be there sooner or later.... > ><crossing my fingers, since it hasn't happened yet> I have no doubts about that... >> >> no - but it *must* hurt to see that those with five times his >> >> screentime also get the better time slots for their talks and five >> >> times the admiration he gets (because theY're more popular thanks to >> >> more exposure and because their time slots are more convenient than >> >> his)- *despite* not being anywhere near as good as he is... >> > >> >He didn't even seem to notice those things when i saw him...of course at >the >> >Galaxy Ball, he and his band kicked off the whole event with their music, >so >> >I doubt they felt neglected. >> >> you just admitted that they *were*... > >Because they were the opening act at the Galaxy Ball and played 4 songs? > nope, because they were too busy to notice those things - which implies that there would have been things to notice if they had *not* been so busy... >> >Ask Suzy again...TR was the invited guest and didn't arrive at a con >> >scheduled in Washington...so I guess it happens to everyone. >> >> yeah, because the con organizers didn't bother to confirm his flights >> - how should he have gone? Of course with someone like Beltran they >> would have bothered... > >that could happen to anyone Julianna... do *you* of a case where this happened to Beltran? >> And it *is* true that out of the five conventions where I've seen Tim >> he was the replacement of the replacement in two cases (and very last >> minute in both cases, and people had bought tickets to see either the >> person announced in the first place or the first replacement, but not >> to see *him* - great situation for an actor, I can assure you...), and >> two more were concert only events, where you had to pay for the >> convention to even be allowed to attend the concert (even if you were >> *not* interested in the convention speakers) and *then* pay an extra >> ticket for the concert, so that you could see Tim. The only one he did >> get invited to as first choice guest was the one where he could be >> announced as "first time in the area" - and everybody else had already >> been there, so if they wanted to do some big "first time..."-thing >> they had to go with him... > >Well it sounds like TR is good-hearted and willing to do this. It also >seems like he is very comfortable with these sorts of situations. > I doubt he'd have a choice if he were *not* comfortable with it... Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-21 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


Jules wrote > > not that easily. I asked Richard Arnold about that when Lien was fired > and he said the studio has all the rights, the actors have none. They > have to remain true to their contracts, the studio doesn't have to. Allie said that Robert mentioned Jennifer in his Sunday afternoon chat and put a different light on her leaving. Apparently she was unhappy being on Voyager and wanted out herself and that she was pleased when she went. He said that he was happy for her to get what she wanted. Allie or Therese could probably give you a more detailed description than me though. > > >90% of the contracts I've seen > >written up include such clauses. I seem to recall quite a few actors > >leaving shows for amiable reasons along that line in Babylon 5, > >Battlestar Galactica, Space: 1999, and so on. > > > > of course they *can* get out - it's just that if the studio doesn't > agree they *Will* find ways to get back at them... yep, or find ways to keep them just to be bloody minded. Lisa

2000-06-21 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Merrick Baldelli" <mbaldelli@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:9ll1lscl06kt4c2on0ktmbhrusanvt9afe@4ax.com... > On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:14:45 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: > > >Its good to have someone like you around who can point out our failings so > >well. > > People do so with me all the time. It's just part of one's > life on the Internet... > Yep, you take the good with the bad.... >

2000-06-21 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Merrick Baldelli" <mbaldelli@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:2ml1lskcvt463sohoinf10gela87eluc5i@4ax.com... > On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:14:48 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: > > >Merrick wrote > >> > >> Oh wait, or better yet, you're attempting to actively > >> censuring someone through the use of peer pressure? How big of you to > >> think we need another moderator here. > > > >LOL, seems no different to what you're trying to do to me. > > Actually, the only peer pressure I use it through the voice of > one: Me. Anyone else that wants to chime in, I usually tell them in > so many words, "back off bitch, this is mine." Perhaps you're just a ruder person than I am. > > It seems I'm recalling two people posting against one with > this argument, which is why I'm making reference to the peer pressure > in a more classical sense. > I dont recall two people posting against one, I recall two posters disagreeing and another poster adding their opinion. I doubt for one minute that Julianna felt pressured, she's more than capable of having her own arguments and if you took the time to read our previous posts and discussions you would know that Tuvok/RB aside we get on very well together. Lisa

2000-06-21 00:00:00 - Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Lady Pie aka Michelle <LadyPie_2000@yahoo.co.uk>)


Steve Christianson <stevechristianson@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:395112B3.35A1@yahoo.com... > X-No-Archive: yes > > > > THURSDAY!! THURSDAY!! THURSDAY!! > > Come to the Battle Royale at the Thunderdome in scenic Seacaucus, New > Jersey for the steel cage grudge match between Lisa "Chakfan" Dugmore > and Merrick "Bad Boy" Baldelli. There's bad blood between these two, > folks: will Merrick win with his patented "hagslap" or will Lisa triumph > with her Pokemon "I choose you!" stare? > > Special guest referee: Robert Beltran! > Color commentator: Tim Russ! > Scorecard girl: Miss Julianna Feigl! > > Don't miss this one, it's the fight of the century! Your ticket pays for > the whole seat, but you'll only need <<<THE EDGE>>> > > > :-) > > > [Just in case anyone missed The Clue, this was Steve's humorous attempt > to pre-empt another NG spat. "Can't we all just get along?"] You are TOO much, Steve! This was perfect! *smooch!* Mic

2000-06-21 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com>)


Lisa wroteded: > Merrick wrote > > > Your continuing to make comments about her posting style is > > making such a point quite clearly. Dance all you want around the > > point, girl -- but the fact of the matter is, this "you are/no you > > are" attitude both of you are pulling is just as wrong as hers. > > Girl?? > > ROTFLOL! Is that supposed to intimidate me???? I don't know ... girls scare me. They're worse than Evil Klowns ...

2000-06-21 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 07:53:59 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >Julianna wrote > >> > >> >yep, c'est la vie I'm afraid, I'm sure this happens every where you go >:-( >> >> >> probably - but then - if I know that in advance I can avoid the >> disappointment, can I not? :-) > > I think you find it at any event with celebrities, there are always those >who are closer and more in the know, so they always get to be with the stars >and then there's the people that hang around them as well. True. My point was, if that's a convention over an entire weekend and you're staying at the convention hotel chances are *much *greater that you'll get a chance to talk to a celebrity for a few moments than if you're meeting them at a dinner event where everybody is seated at their table and afterwards they leave... >> because he's a *prominently featured big name star*. It *is* a fact >> that people playing more important parts will attract greater >> audiences, no matter whether they are nice and friendly or not. They >> just generate a greater interest. I have heard people saying: "No, I >> don't go to see actor X - he/she is only a recurring guest - I'm not >> going to pay that much money to see him/her". No matter how many >> people told them that X was a *great* convention guest. (and no, I'm >> not thinking Tim here - it was somebody else). These same people do go >> to see big name stars like Shatner and Spiner that are not half as >> nice and friendly but play more prominent parts. They want to >> socialize with the stars more than they want to meet nice and funny >> people. > >You see, you and I see this very differently. I dont know about where you >live, but over here Trek is not advertised in any way whatsoever. >Occasionally Voyager gets recommended as Family Viewing in a newspaper for >that day, incidentally Sundays ep was recommended by the Daily Mail and they >used a picture of Tuvok!. Strange! He normally is barely *in* the ep... > So as far as I am concerned none of the stars >gets any promotion at all, because it doesnt generate any interest. those with screentime get a promotion with the audience. Those more heavily featured are of greater interest to the viewers > Were >any of them to appear on a chat show I would say that Kate, Jeri and at a >squeeze Bob would generate some interest, the rest wouldnt have a prayer. you underestimate the hype generated around Robert and Robbie... >> >> I doubt they'd put them on stage together. They'd have separate panels >> >> each and I have absolutely *no* doubt who'd have the worst time slot >> >> of all... >> > >> >I know, Ethan Phillips doesnt stand a chance. >> > >> >> how funny - after all *he* probably got the best character development >> last season... > >Yeah wonderful, 5 years as a buffoon and he finally makes a little headway >at the end. I bet he's thrilled. > being the redeemed buffoon is *100* times better than being the failed third in command... >> >Um, no matter how much someone is shoved in your face if you dont like >them, >> >you dont like them. >> >> maybe not you and I - but the general audience yes... > >I think you should perhaps credit people with a little more sense. I am a realist - I see what happens around me... > If you >have an interest in an actor/character you will want to see them. yep, but if you see somebody a lot this will create interest in him/her... >> > The one I am most looking forward to >> >seeing though will be Kate, she should be really interesting. >> > >> >> I doubt you'll like her - she's *nothing* like Robert. You know, >> really warm and friendly, and intelligent and not condescending at >> all. A lady. And she has class. > >Why does everyone have to be like Robert for me to like them?????? because it's strange to like such a rude, unfriendly guy. If that is your style you won't like many of the others >> >Bob Picardo would also, I imagine, be very funny >> >> he *is* >> >> >and I would like to see >> >Garrett, but the others I could take or leave. >> > >> >> very funny as well.... >> >> >> So... Roxann, Jeri, Jennifer, Tim and Ethan (along with Robbie??) >> woudn't even get a chance???? You would not even want to see what they >> are like??? Why not??? because you don't like their characters??? > >If they were all at a convention I would go to each and everyone of their >talks, because I think that it would be good to hear things from their >points of view and just hear what they have to say. But everybody cant >appeal to one person Jules and these are the people/characters that I find >less appealing and interesting. Its not personal to them its just my taste. > The fact that a character does not appeal to me has never stopped me from giving the *actor* a chance... Heck, I even saw *Will Wheaton* once!!!! >> >> >> > >> >Its a tough life, isnt it? >> >> apparently you think that's all a joke... and since you go to >> conventions regularly and know lots of people that have been to >> conventions and know convention organizers you also know that I'm >> distorting things and that I have no clue what I'm talking about... >> :-((((( > ><sigh> > >I dont think its a joke, I just think you are being overly dramatic about >things. They are doing a job and a well paid one at that. Its given Tim >the opportunity to direct *once* - as opposed to 2-3 times as was the case for Robbie and Bob... > and to do other projects like his CD why did he have to be on Voyager to do his CD???? >and it will >give them all the financial freedom for a time once Voyager is over to do >something that they all enjoy. Conventions are another way to make money. *if* you get invited... >Lets not kid ourselves over this, they may enjoy them, but they are still >part of the job. There are worse things that happen in life than someone >not being invited to appear at a convention, much worse. not if that's your job. It's like producing something in your factory and not getting an order to sell it afterwards... Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-21 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:14:48 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >Merrick wrote >> >> Oh wait, or better yet, you're attempting to actively >> censuring someone through the use of peer pressure? How big of you to >> think we need another moderator here. > >LOL, seems no different to what you're trying to do to me. Actually, the only peer pressure I use it through the voice of one: Me. Anyone else that wants to chime in, I usually tell them in so many words, "back off bitch, this is mine." It seems I'm recalling two people posting against one with this argument, which is why I'm making reference to the peer pressure in a more classical sense.

2000-06-21 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:50:23 GMT, "Engaged Pie (aka Gordon)" <sweetiepie_1966@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Oh wait, or better yet, you're attempting to actively >> censuring someone through the use of peer pressure? How big of you to >> think we need another moderator here. > ><holds up a giant mirror> Talk with SJ or Steve, or Rob, and you'll rapidly find out, I speak for myself, and ONLY myself.

2000-06-21 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:49:10 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >Thanks Steve, I thought that was what you meant, but Merricks post made me >unsure. I understand what you mean about not taking it too seriously, but >sometimes it just gets a little difficult to keep ignoring. Merrick's post reinforced that two-hundred fold.

2000-06-21 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:14:45 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >Its good to have someone like you around who can point out our failings so >well. People do so with me all the time. It's just part of one's life on the Internet...

2000-06-21 00:00:00 - Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com>)


Lisa wroteded: > Stevie wrote > > > > > THURSDAY!! THURSDAY!! THURSDAY!! > > > > Come to the Battle Royale at the Thunderdome > > in scenic Seacaucus, New Jersey for the steel > > cage grudge match between Lisa "Chakfan" Dugmore > > and Merrick "Bad Boy" Baldelli. There's bad blood > > between these two, folks: will Merrick win with > > his patented "hagslap" or will Lisa triumph > > with her Pokemon "I choose you!" stare? > > I've been thumping my team hard and Pikachu > is in top form, his Thundersock is a sight > to behold and it will take all Merricks > facial hair away <g>. o_O Thundersock? I don't think I wanna know what's under the sock to make it so thunderfull ... <eg>

2000-06-21 00:00:00 - Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com>)


Steve Christianson wrote: > > Peace-Accord-Yes-Archive: Er ... > [Just in case anyone missed The Clue, this > was Steve's humorous attempt to pre-empt > another NG spat. "Can't we all just get along?"] No. [patented Ta-styled bitchslap]

2000-06-21 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Sun, 18 Jun 2000 21:46:06 GMT, kemosabe@skyenet.net (Masked Man) wrote: >On Sun, 18 Jun 2000 19:51:21 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: > >|Really?? Thats interesting to know. I just wonder why Julianna hates him >|so much, she's never really given a substantial reason. LOL, I'm beginning >|to wonder about that very fine line between love and hate > >Masked Man------->For Julianna, it is not enough that Tuvok/Tim Russ >do well. if only he *did*... > All others involved with Voyager must fail. not all - just those with limited acting talent - they should be in the background where they belong Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-21 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Sun, 18 Jun 2000 16:58:48 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" <dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: > >"Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote in message >news:cP135.2532$3I6.446175@news3.cableinet.net... >> Julianna wrote >> >> > > >> > >Why? Sounds like great fun, getting to meet up with everyone, have Q >and >> A >> > >in the day >> > >> > yeah, with just RB and RDM.... >> >> well, stands to reason that as he hosts it Robert would do one, as for the >> others, I assume its down to availability and whether or not they want to >do >> one, I think someone from another show did one last year. > >Yes, Jason Carter from Babylon 5...talk about a non-linnear thinker...and >interesting answers to questions! > I don't really watch B5... >> > >> Jeez, Lisa! He's just an ordinary guy! >> > > >> > >LOL, of course he is, why would I not think he was????? >> > >> > you said you can't believe he was real - why would he not be?????? >> >> Its a general thing, not just Robert himself. First and foremost it was >> the character I was attracted to, if you read Doreens post elsewhere she >> states it all far better than I could (I think its being a teacher that >does >> it <g>). > >Thanks:-)))) (I figured Pie would fall asleep in the middle of it, or be >sorry he asked!) > well... what would be the point of asking???? Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-21 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Sun, 18 Jun 2000 17:02:03 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" <dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: > >"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message >news:5obqksoh4q868mimpelqqiq3bdtlo0uk26@4ax.com... >> On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 23:10:49 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" >> <dthartz@inwave.com> wrote: >> >> >> well - maybe some place other than the Galaxy Ball???? > >LOL, might be a good plan, but this was a great place to see and talk to >TR... > yeah, you were lucky... but those sitting at a different table probably barely saw him outside his performance... >> >> >> >> >> Why? Sounds like great fun, getting to meet up with everyone, have Q >and >> >A >> >> in the day and then a ball in the evening where *all* the starts sit at >> >> dinner with the guests and then mingle afterwards. Whats not to enjoy? >> >Oh >> >> yeah, I forgot RB organsises it..... >> > >> >Yes, but the rest of the cast and many other Sci Fi actors are there as >> >well. You would have a good time. >> >> the others will be there for a much shorter time and the one I'd have >> to endure all evening is the one I can't stand... > >true, but he was a charming host...the guests spent much more time onstage >than he did. *some* guests... >> >> > Jeez, Lisa! He's just an ordinary guy! >> >> >> >> LOL, of course he is, why would I not think he was????? >> > >> >Ok, if he's ordinary, ordinary doesn't come my way too often, or I need >> >radical adjustments to my eyes and respiration... >> >> I need no such things. If I met him in the street I'd pass him by >> without even noticing him. > >Not possible <G> that's what he thinks, too - but there are women he can't have despite being a star on TV and in a series these women watch.... >> as if anybody would pay any attention to him when the "gorgeous" main >> stars of Voyager are around... :-((((((((((((((((( > >He was included...it's become a chatroom joke for Suzy and me...Ari will >say: "chat about TR's abs for a few while I get a snack", knowing that Suzy >and I can do justice to this topic!!! Jeez, the boy would probably blush if he knew what you're talking about! :-) >> >Thanks for letting me join in here... >> >my ISP doesn't let me read these messages after 2 days <sigh> >> >> your ISP sucks! > >Definitely not easy to read the NG unless I'm diligent. So if I don't >respond to a post (maybe a third of my own I never see), I don't mean to be >rude... my server has been off a lot recently - posts from last night are *still* coming in right now, so I can'T guarantee I'Ve seen everything and replied accordingly... Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-21 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On 19 Jun 2000 02:28:00 GMT, juli17@aol.com (Juli17) wrote: >>> >> >>*I* at least don't trample on somebody lying on the floor unable to >>get up again... >> >>Julianna > >Having see Tim Russ a few times now, I'm glad to say that he has a much better >opinion of his own abilities his abilities I've never doubted.... >and prospects than you do, and appears quite happy >with his life. he's an optimist - I'm a realist > Really, if his life was as bad as you want to believe, the poor >guy would have thrown himself in front of a train by now. he would never do *that* Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-21 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 08:27:24 +0100, "Allie Andrews" <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote > >> >You're getting things way out of proportion *again* Julianna, I said I >didnt >> >like his cd and I didnt like his singing, >> >> See? You say it again... > >But Lisa is only expressing her opinion, one I have to say that I share. It >doesn't mean Tim is a bad singer it just means we don't like his music. > that's what you say, but not what Lisa said... >It would be a sad world if we all liked the same music!!! I, for example, >hate Country Music with a passion but it is hugly pupular. I am not >condeming Country MUsic, just exersicing my right to choose what I like and >dilike. > >Seriously no one is out to ruin Tim, but no one is prepared to pretend to >like things about him just to please you. You wouldn't pretend to like RDM >or RB to poease anyone would you? Not to please anyone, but I *did* post here several days ago that I found him okay and convincing, even *endearing* in some season 1 eps. Arlie and Julie *both* asked me if I was feeling all right... Now, it would be nice if some others could try to give Tim a chance at least once in a while instead of finding everything he says and does and the way he looks and everything uninteresting and boring and "not to my taste" etc. Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!.

2000-06-21 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


Merrick wrote > Your continuing to make comments about her posting style is > making such a point quite clearly. Dance all you want around the > point, girl -- but the fact of the matter is, this "you are/no you > are" attitude both of you are pulling is just as wrong as hers. Girl?? ROTFLOL! Is that supposed to intimidate me????

2000-06-21 00:00:00 - Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


Stevie wrote > > THURSDAY!! THURSDAY!! THURSDAY!! > > Come to the Battle Royale at the Thunderdome in scenic Seacaucus, New > Jersey for the steel cage grudge match between Lisa "Chakfan" Dugmore > and Merrick "Bad Boy" Baldelli. There's bad blood between these two, > folks: will Merrick win with his patented "hagslap" or will Lisa triumph > with her Pokemon "I choose you!" stare? I've been training my team hard and Pikachu is in top form, his Thundershock is a sight to behold and it will take all Merricks facial hair away <g>. > > Special guest referee: Robert Beltran! > Color commentator: Tim Russ! > Scorecard girl: Miss Julianna Feigl! ROTFLOL! That's me the loser then <g> > > Don't miss this one, it's the fight of the century! Your ticket pays for > the whole seat, but you'll only need <<<THE EDGE>>> > > > :-) > > > [Just in case anyone missed The Clue, this was Steve's humorous attempt > to pre-empt another NG spat. "Can't we all just get along?"] :-))) Lisa

2000-06-21 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Engaged Pie (aka Gordon)" <sweetiepie_1966@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:zGR35.3659$fb7.394990@news3.cableinet.net... > Merrick Baldelli wrote > > "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: > > >"Merrick Baldelli" wrote > > >> On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 06:34:48 -0700, Michele <belanna@uswest.net> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> >I have to agree with lisa, Julianna is the one who has a > > >> >problem when people don't agree with her. > > >> > > >> And two wrongs don't make a right. > > > > > >Who said they did. > > > > Your continuing to make comments about her posting style is > > making such a point quite clearly. Dance all you want around the > > point, girl -- but the fact of the matter is, this "you are/no you > > are" attitude both of you are pulling is just as wrong as hers. > > > > >> I'm with Steve on this -- Julianna's being Julianna. I > > >> respect her and even like her; even if her passion outweighs her > > >> reasons. It's what maker her, her. > > > > > >Julianna may just be being Julianna, but have you considered that > other > > >people are perhaps just being their true selves and are fed up with > being > > >polite and understanding when all that its met with its rudeness and > > >intransigience. > > > > So you think getting the last word in on who's right is going > > to help everyone else sort out who's right and who's wrong? It's > > rapidly getting to the point for even me to figure out who's the more > > foolish. > > > > Oh wait, or better yet, you're attempting to actively > > censuring someone through the use of peer pressure? How big of you to > > think we need another moderator here. > > <holds up a giant mirror> > ROTFLOL!

2000-06-22 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Merrick Baldelli" <mbaldelli@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:q484lsck96t42jp3am4gbpf59gvl7cg425@4ax.com... > On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 16:46:55 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: > > >Merrick wrote > > > >> Your continuing to make comments about her posting style is > >> making such a point quite clearly. Dance all you want around the > >> point, girl -- but the fact of the matter is, this "you are/no you > >> are" attitude both of you are pulling is just as wrong as hers. > > > >Girl?? > > > >ROTFLOL! Is that supposed to intimidate me???? > > I have better methods of being intimidating. Girl is merely > condescending. > > Be as condescending as you like, but as your opinion of me doesnt bother me either way, its a bit pointless.

2000-06-22 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Merrick Baldelli" <mbaldelli@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:k194ls4dfnm5r00b70eifu50rl7md55isc@4ax.com... > On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:51:35 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: > > >> People do so with me all the time. It's just part of one's > >> life on the Internet... > > > >Yep, you take the good with the bad.... > > Actually, I love both aspects of it, and have been known to > have a ball with both. > > Bully for you, if thats how you get your kicks I'm glad you enjoy it so much.

2000-06-22 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


Merrick wrote > >How exactly???? > > Simply knowing the right time to back down when one fully > knows all the buttons that're going to be pushed will cause what it's > caused and instead of going off on the tangent of, "let's teach her a > lesson because we've had it with her attitude". > Again, you fail to understand me or my relationship with Julianna. > So, in essence, you got a taste of exactly the same type of > medicine you were dishing out for failing to back down. In essence you decided to butt in and try to teach me a lesson which failed miserably because there was nothing to teach. > >

2000-06-22 00:00:00 - Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


Merrick wrote > >[Just in case anyone missed The Clue, this was Steve's humorous attempt > >to pre-empt another NG spat. "Can't we all just get along?"] > > LOL... I'm amused, but I'll admit this much, it's already > cooling with me. If Lisa seems hellbent in getting the last word -- > she's gonna be given it after today's postings. > > Wow, now I'm hellbent as well????? There was me thinking I was just replying to the numerous postings you made about me when I hadnt even been discussing anything with you in the first place. Lisa

2000-06-22 00:00:00 - Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Merrick Baldelli" <mbaldelli@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:lla4lsgi8b653jc8bbgo8ih5jqv9k2mrts@4ax.com... > On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:16:13 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: > > >I've been training my team hard and Pikachu is in top form, his Thundershock > >is a sight to behold and it will take all Merricks facial hair away <g>. > > Not if I pull an Alakazam out on you. > > LOL, I'll have to consult Laura as to what I do next, Chloe will favour using Onyx, but Laura isn't that impressed with him. Lisa

2000-06-22 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Zabana Brandon" <zabana@collegetoday.com> wrote in message news:3952A995.49E19585@collegetoday.com... > Julianna Feigl wroteded: > > > I don't try to undermine your opinions, I just > > can't understand how anybody would *like* an > > unfriendly condescending, arrogant old fart > > like Beltran ... > > Just taking a guess here, but maybe because Lisa > doesn't think he's unfriendly, condescending, > arrogant, old, or a fart? LOL, Zabby you couldn't have hit the nail any harder if you'd used a mallet!

2000-06-22 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


Julianna wrote " > >not so! I've never insulted you personally > > just Tim... I've never insulted him as a *person* because I dont know him and I wouldnt form an opinion without doing so. All I have ever questioned is his preferred method of talking at cons and his singing and all I ever said about that was that it wasnt to my taste. > > > or questioned your dedication to > >Tim, but you constantly try to undermine my opinions and make me look > >stupid. > > > > > > maybe if you read *all* my posts, not just those replying to you you > wouldn'T have to ask that question? :-) LOL, there isnt time!!! I try to read as much of everybody as I can, but sometimes I just reply to people I am involved with at the time and most of the time we are talking about RB and TR<g> Lisa

2000-06-22 00:00:00 - Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - ("Ta', 1/3 of the Janeway/Seven equation" <tateria@yahoo.com>)


Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote in message news:5zx45.8684$fb7.886509@news3.cableinet.net... > > "Merrick Baldelli" <mbaldelli@mindspring.com> wrote in message > news:lla4lsgi8b653jc8bbgo8ih5jqv9k2mrts@4ax.com... > > On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:16:13 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: > > > > >I've been training my team hard and Pikachu is in top form, his > Thundershock > > >is a sight to behold and it will take all Merricks facial hair away <g>. > > > > Not if I pull an Alakazam out on you. > > > > > > LOL, I'll have to consult Laura as to what I do next, Chloe will favour > using Onyx, but Laura isn't that impressed with him. Stryke Rulz... just a hint...

2000-06-22 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - ("Chris W." <el_capitano@geocities.com>)


"David B." <bothecat@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3952E902.62B97C9A@hotmail.com... > > > > > > Heh, Canadians are all the same. :) > > > > o_O > > > > What the heck is this? Pick on Canadians night? > > Isn't every day a pick on Canadians day? No. Chris W. THE CANADIANS HAVE SPOKEN

2000-06-22 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com>)


Merrick Baldelli wroteded: > > Zabana Brandon wrote: > > >> Heh, Canadians are all the same. :) > > > >o_O > > > >What the heck is this? Pick on Canadians night? > > <Kosh> > Yes. > </Kosh> <Zabana Brandon> You're a lot of help. </Zabana Brandon>

2000-06-22 00:00:00 - Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com>)


Merrick Baldelli wroteded: > > Zabana Brandon wrote: > > >Steve Christianson wrote: > > >[patented Ta-styled bitchslap] > > [Vorlon ultra cowslap against the closest bulkhead] > > IMPUDENCE. Yeah? Well maybe that's the only way to get through to you. You said you wanted to teach me to fight legends. Well you're a legend too and I'm not going away until you agree! Er ... sorry. Having a flashback. What I *meant* to say was: > >[patented Ta-styled bitchslap] > > [Vorlon ultra cowslap against the closest bulkhead] > > IMPUDENCE. MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

2000-06-22 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com>)


Julianna Feigl wroteded: > I don't try to undermine your opinions, I just > can't understand how anybody would *like* an > unfriendly condescending, arrogant old fart > like Beltran ... Just taking a guess here, but maybe because Lisa doesn't think he's unfriendly, condescending, arrogant, old, or a fart?

2000-06-22 00:00:00 - Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 03:22:41 +0100, Therese Gray <tgray@zetnet.co.uk> wrote: > > >No contest. > >Lisa has already won without even trying. :) > > > >Sigh... > >"Methinks Merrick and Julianna both protest *FAR* too much... " > ><VBEG> LOL.. Oh you're just pissed because I kept misspelling your name each and every time we had a debate going.

2000-06-22 00:00:00 - Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:16:13 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >I've been training my team hard and Pikachu is in top form, his Thundershock >is a sight to behold and it will take all Merricks facial hair away <g>. Not if I pull an Alakazam out on you.

2000-06-22 00:00:00 - Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:13:58 GMT, Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com> wrote: >Steve Christianson wrote: >[patented Ta-styled bitchslap] [Vorlon ultra cowslap against the closest bulkhead] IMPUDENCE.

2000-06-22 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 07:30:09 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >Julianna wrote > >> > >> > I think you find it at any event with celebrities, there are always >those >> >who are closer and more in the know, so they always get to be with the >stars >> >and then there's the people that hang around them as well. >> >> True. My point was, if that's a convention over an entire weekend and >> you're staying at the convention hotel chances are *much *greater that >> you'll get a chance to talk to a celebrity for a few moments than if >> you're meeting them at a dinner event where everybody is seated at >> their table and afterwards they leave... > >For sure, your chances are greatly increased, but I would have assumed that >most people at the Galaxy Ball would have been staying overnight anyway. I >got the impression that last year the guests got up and mingled after the >dinner, maybe not then. > maybe for a while, but I think they all left pretty early and just Robert remained and there was some dancing afterwards... > >> >> > >> >You see, you and I see this very differently. I dont know about where >you >> >live, but over here Trek is not advertised in any way whatsoever. >> >Occasionally Voyager gets recommended as Family Viewing in a newspaper >for >> >that day, incidentally Sundays ep was recommended by the Daily Mail and >they >> >used a picture of Tuvok!. >> >> Strange! He normally is barely *in* the ep... > >It goes back to being Vulcan, he's of interest because people know about >Vulcans because of Spock. But as I said, Trek gets no advertising here >whatsoever. not all that much, that is, but *if* so, they use prominently featured characters, not background people.. >> > So as far as I am concerned none of the stars >> >gets any promotion at all, because it doesnt generate any interest. >> >> >> those with screentime get a promotion with the audience. Those more >> heavily featured are of greater interest to the viewers > >yeah, but you need to gain that audience in the first place and the BBC do >nothing whatsoever to promote it, in fact they go out of their way to make >it very difficult to watch. Still, those that *do* watch are those that go to conventions. And who do they want to see? The guy with lots of big parts or the one with an average of 20 lines per ep? >> > Were >> >any of them to appear on a chat show I would say that Kate, Jeri and at a >> >squeeze Bob would generate some interest, the rest wouldnt have a prayer. >> >> >> you underestimate the hype generated around Robert and Robbie... > >not over here, there would be practically zero interest in them. A couple of months back I saw a mag on the newsstands that had "Voyager stars Robert Picardo and Robert Duncan McNeill speak" written all over the front page. Inside was an *article*, not an interview, about the beginning of season 6. Braga made some comments, McNeill, Picardo, maybe 1 or 2 others. Although "Riddles" must have been in preparation by then ("Alice" was discussed at length), there was not one word about it and Braga shrugged the question about Tuvok off and concentrated on everybody but. Then there is the March-issue I think, of "Starburst", which has an interview with Tim in it. A real interview, not an article with some comments by Tim in it. The cover shows Frakes and announces an exclusive interview with him about the "Roswell"-stuff he was doing, there are two smaller insert pics with description and in a corner, almost invisible you can read: "Voyager - meeting Tuvok's alter ego". Not only is there no pic of Tim on the cover, his name is not even mentioned. That's the difference... >> > If you >> >have an interest in an actor/character you will want to see them. >> >> >> yep, but if you see somebody a lot this will create interest in >> him/her... > >not really, I've seen plenty of Seven and I wouldnt go out of my way to meet >Ms Ryan. > but 90% of the audience *would*. Last year, when I was at Manchester to see Tim the organizers themselves actually asked people what they were doing at *their* con since Jeri Ryan was making an appearance in Bonn, Germany that same weekend... not even the *organizers* could understand that anybody at all would want to come to their event when Jeri Ryan was only a couple of hundred miles away... >> The fact that a character does not appeal to me has never stopped me >> from giving the *actor* a chance... Heck, I even saw *Will Wheaton* >> once!!!! > >LOL, but was he interesting???? childish, immature, puerile, and it certainly was an interesting experience... :-) > >> >> > and to do other projects like his CD >> >> why did he have to be on Voyager to do his CD???? > >He didnt but it must help with the promotion of it, to be able to introduce >him as "Tim Russ from Voyager" no different than if he were, say, "Tim Russ from Baywatch" or any other series... Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-22 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:40:07 +0100, "Allie Andrews" <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote >> Now, it would be nice if some others could try to give Tim a chance at >> least once in a while instead of finding everything he says and does >> and the way he looks and everything uninteresting and boring and "not >> to my taste" etc. > >I have always said that I consider Tim to be one of the better actors on VOY :-) >and it is not his fault that TPTB have ruined his character though lack of >development/screen time etc. I do find Tuvok boring and in general I have >always disliked Vulcans but that is just about my tastes combined with the >poor writing and has nothing to do with how Tim portrays him. > Why have you never said so?????????????????????? >In Riddles for example I thought Tim was excellent! :-)))))))))))))))))))))))) > Possibly one of the best >performances of the season. I would like to see him in some role other than >that of a Vulcan where I could appreciate him better without my natural bias >against Vulcans. > Hopefully somebody will be willing to give him a chance to do that, once Voyager is over... In the meantime you could try to get your hands on his Seaquest guest-appearance, the ep title is "Photon Bullet", and it is a big part, not a small cameo. A human character, too, and slightly off kilter... :-) Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-22 00:00:00 - Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 17:52:46 GMT, "John Ro" <rousieboy_2000@yahoo.com> wrote: >PJinNH wrote: > >> Julianna Feigl wrote: > >> >they adore a jerk and critize everything Tim says or does :- >> ((((((( >> > >> > >> >(sulks in corner) >> > >> Juilanna, my dear, I'm afraid that you've become boring...and >> extremely predictable. > >Not really. I managed to insult Tom at least a little in my reply today to >her post above. And it's always fun when someone gives you the chance, as >she clearly did, to pick on Tom. I like that attitude! :-) > Oh god, I hope she didn't mean Chak. -) well,... actually I think I meant *Beltran* :-) Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-22 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:10:01 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >Julianna wrote > >> >> You're certainly trying to score something with your digs >> >> about Julianna's personality, single-minded dedication, and most of >> >> all attempting to, in so many words, play the game of "I'm better than >> >> you because I can see the difference and you can't." >> >> >> >> >> >> exactly > >not so! I've never insulted you personally just Tim... > or questioned your dedication to >Tim, but you constantly try to undermine my opinions and make me look >stupid. > I don't try to undermine your opinions, I just can't understand how anybody would *like* an unfriendly condescending, arrogant old fart like Beltran - while ignoring a nice, warm, talented guy like Tim. >> >Its good to have someone like you around who can point out our failings >so >> >well. >> > >> > >> >> Sorry, Lisa, but I think the difference between you and me is that *I* >> realize I'm doing the same thing you are doing - you don't. > >No, the difference is that my replies are purely to you and in the context >of conversation, yours are the same arguments to each and every person and >thread on the ng. I can have a discussion about other things and people, do >you?????? > maybe if you read *all* my posts, not just those replying to you you wouldn'T have to ask that question? :-) Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-22 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 16:46:55 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >Merrick wrote > >> Your continuing to make comments about her posting style is >> making such a point quite clearly. Dance all you want around the >> point, girl -- but the fact of the matter is, this "you are/no you >> are" attitude both of you are pulling is just as wrong as hers. > >Girl?? > >ROTFLOL! Is that supposed to intimidate me???? I have better methods of being intimidating. Girl is merely condescending.

2000-06-22 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:30:09 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: > >"Merrick Baldelli" <mbaldelli@mindspring.com> wrote in message >news:ahl1lso1n4tpvunfhvos29e8hit865lpic@4ax.com... >> On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:49:10 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >> >> >Thanks Steve, I thought that was what you meant, but Merricks post made >> >me unsure. I understand what you mean about not taking it too seriously, >> >but sometimes it just gets a little difficult to keep ignoring. >> >> Merrick's post reinforced that two-hundred fold. > >How exactly???? Simply knowing the right time to back down when one fully knows all the buttons that're going to be pushed will cause what it's caused and instead of going off on the tangent of, "let's teach her a lesson because we've had it with her attitude". So, in essence, you got a taste of exactly the same type of medicine you were dishing out for failing to back down.

2000-06-22 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:51:35 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >> People do so with me all the time. It's just part of one's >> life on the Internet... > >Yep, you take the good with the bad.... Actually, I love both aspects of it, and have been known to have a ball with both.

2000-06-22 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:36:07 GMT, Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com> wrote: >> Heh, Canadians are all the same. :) > >o_O > >What the heck is this? Pick on Canadians night? <Kosh> Yes. </Kosh>

2000-06-22 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:51:41 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >> Actually, the only peer pressure I use it through the voice of >> one: Me. Anyone else that wants to chime in, I usually tell them in >> so many words, "back off bitch, this is mine." > >Perhaps you're just a ruder person than I am. On your scale, perhaps. On mine, I haven't even scratched the surface on how rude I'm capable of being.

2000-06-22 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:03:08 GMT, Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote: >yeah, sure... 7 years in the background... there is more exposure by >doing only one small guest spot every other month than in doing the >background furniture stuff on Voyager... See my post regarding what acting in Star Trek (and science fiction) does to one's career, if you're not William Shatner or Patrick Stewart.

2000-06-22 00:00:00 - Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:10:36 GMT, Steve Christianson <stevechristianson@yahoo.com> wrote: >X-No-Archive: yes > >THURSDAY!! THURSDAY!! THURSDAY!! > >Come to the Battle Royale at the Thunderdome in scenic Seacaucus, New >Jersey for the steel cage grudge match between Lisa "Chakfan" Dugmore >and Merrick "Bad Boy" Baldelli. There's bad blood between these two, >folks: will Merrick win with his patented "hagslap" or will Lisa triumph >with her Pokemon "I choose you!" stare? I don't do New Jersey. >Special guest referee: Robert Beltran! >Color commentator: Tim Russ! >Scorecard girl: Miss Julianna Feigl! > >Don't miss this one, it's the fight of the century! Your ticket pays for >the whole seat, but you'll only need <<<THE EDGE>>> > > >:-) > >[Just in case anyone missed The Clue, this was Steve's humorous attempt >to pre-empt another NG spat. "Can't we all just get along?"] LOL... I'm amused, but I'll admit this much, it's already cooling with me. If Lisa seems hellbent in getting the last word -- she's gonna be given it after today's postings.

2000-06-22 00:00:00 - Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 00:56:50 GMT, kaboom@7of.9 wrote: >**Alright! I just love a good chickfight! 'cept I'm not a chick, and rated a 2 on the Straight-Acting Quiz (http://www.straightacting.com)

2000-06-22 00:00:00 - Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (John Ro <rousieboy_2000@yahoo.com>)


Julianna Feigl wrote: > they adore a jerk and critize everything Tim says or does :-((((((( Hey, a couple days ago I said Tom plays "callous practical jokes." --- One in the Does-anyone-here-actually-like-Voyager thread.

2000-06-22 00:00:00 - Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (John Ro <rousieboy_2000@yahoo.com>)


PJinNH wrote: > Julianna Feigl wrote: > >they adore a jerk and critize everything Tim says or does :- > ((((((( > > > > > >(sulks in corner) > > > Juilanna, my dear, I'm afraid that you've become boring...and > extremely predictable. Not really. I managed to insult Tom at least a little in my reply today to her post above. And it's always fun when someone gives you the chance, as she clearly did, to pick on Tom. Oh god, I hope she didn't mean Chak. -) --- One

2000-06-22 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (John Ro <rousieboy_2000@yahoo.com>)


Merrick Baldelli wrote: > Lisa wrote: > > >As far as heros and idols go I think the only one who seriously does any > >worshipping here is Julianna and perhaps the biggest one who needs to learn > >this is Julianna herself. > > And tell me, how can you tell the difference between the > yelling fool, or the person yelling to correct the fool? After a > while no one can. I think there's One case where just about everyone can tell the difference, heh. --- One

2000-06-22 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (John Ro <rousieboy_2000@yahoo.com>)


Merrick Baldelli wrote: > Michele wrote: > > >I have to agree. Julianna i think you need to take a step > >back and take a breezier. You are taking this way to > >seriously, you are acting obsessive and that is not healthy. > > Errr, Breezier?? Got a Dairy Queen near ya' too, huh?? Remember, Michele is Lal in TIWTA, so she's learning. Sorry Michele, couldn't resist - and you (Michele) still sound so cute. --- One

2000-06-22 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:40:34 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >Jules wrote > >> >> not that easily. I asked Richard Arnold about that when Lien was fired >> and he said the studio has all the rights, the actors have none. They >> have to remain true to their contracts, the studio doesn't have to. > >Allie said that Robert mentioned Jennifer in his Sunday afternoon chat and >put a different light on her leaving. Apparently she was unhappy being on >Voyager and wanted out herself and that she was pleased when she went. He >said that he was happy for her to get what she wanted. Allie or Therese >could probably give you a more detailed description than me though. AFAIK Jennifer broke down at a convention when she told them the news and almost broke into tears and couldn't finish her talk. And Kate Mulgrew cried and allthe others were "upset". If this had been what she really, really wanted, I doubt anybody would have been upset - just happy for her and maybe sad to see her go. >> >90% of the contracts I've seen >> >written up include such clauses. I seem to recall quite a few actors >> >leaving shows for amiable reasons along that line in Babylon 5, >> >Battlestar Galactica, Space: 1999, and so on. >> > >> >> of course they *can* get out - it's just that if the studio doesn't >> agree they *Will* find ways to get back at them... > >yep, or find ways to keep them just to be bloody minded. > for whichever reason, they might think that they can't afford getting rid of somebody and lose his/her followers, or they might feel it would upset the male/female ratio in the cast, or whatever. Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-22 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


Julianna wrote > > > > I think you find it at any event with celebrities, there are always those > >who are closer and more in the know, so they always get to be with the stars > >and then there's the people that hang around them as well. > > True. My point was, if that's a convention over an entire weekend and > you're staying at the convention hotel chances are *much *greater that > you'll get a chance to talk to a celebrity for a few moments than if > you're meeting them at a dinner event where everybody is seated at > their table and afterwards they leave... For sure, your chances are greatly increased, but I would have assumed that most people at the Galaxy Ball would have been staying overnight anyway. I got the impression that last year the guests got up and mingled after the dinner, maybe not then. > > > > >You see, you and I see this very differently. I dont know about where you > >live, but over here Trek is not advertised in any way whatsoever. > >Occasionally Voyager gets recommended as Family Viewing in a newspaper for > >that day, incidentally Sundays ep was recommended by the Daily Mail and they > >used a picture of Tuvok!. > > Strange! He normally is barely *in* the ep... It goes back to being Vulcan, he's of interest because people know about Vulcans because of Spock. But as I said, Trek gets no advertising here whatsoever. > > > So as far as I am concerned none of the stars > >gets any promotion at all, because it doesnt generate any interest. > > > those with screentime get a promotion with the audience. Those more > heavily featured are of greater interest to the viewers yeah, but you need to gain that audience in the first place and the BBC do nothing whatsoever to promote it, in fact they go out of their way to make it very difficult to watch. > > > Were > >any of them to appear on a chat show I would say that Kate, Jeri and at a > >squeeze Bob would generate some interest, the rest wouldnt have a prayer. > > > you underestimate the hype generated around Robert and Robbie... not over here, there would be practically zero interest in them. > > > > If you > >have an interest in an actor/character you will want to see them. > > > yep, but if you see somebody a lot this will create interest in > him/her... not really, I've seen plenty of Seven and I wouldnt go out of my way to meet Ms Ryan. > > > > The fact that a character does not appeal to me has never stopped me > from giving the *actor* a chance... Heck, I even saw *Will Wheaton* > once!!!! LOL, but was he interesting???? > > > > and to do other projects like his CD > > why did he have to be on Voyager to do his CD???? He didnt but it must help with the promotion of it, to be able to introduce him as "Tim Russ from Voyager" Lisa

2000-06-22 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Allie Andrews <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk>)


Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote > Girl?? > > ROTFLOL! Is that supposed to intimidate me???? I'll bet you are quaking in your boots now! Allie x

2000-06-22 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Allie Andrews <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk>)


Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote > Now, it would be nice if some others could try to give Tim a chance at > least once in a while instead of finding everything he says and does > and the way he looks and everything uninteresting and boring and "not > to my taste" etc. I have always said that I consider Tim to be one of the better actors on VOY and it is not his fault that TPTB have ruined his character though lack of development/screen time etc. I do find Tuvok boring and in general I have always disliked Vulcans but that is just about my tastes combined with the poor writing and has nothing to do with how Tim portrays him. In Riddles for example I thought Tim was excellent! Possibly one of the best performances of the season. I would like to see him in some role other than that of a Vulcan where I could appreciate him better without my natural bias against Vulcans. Allie x

2000-06-22 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


Julianna wrote > >> You're certainly trying to score something with your digs > >> about Julianna's personality, single-minded dedication, and most of > >> all attempting to, in so many words, play the game of "I'm better than > >> you because I can see the difference and you can't." > >> > >> > > exactly not so! I've never insulted you personally or questioned your dedication to Tim, but you constantly try to undermine my opinions and make me look stupid. > > > > >Its good to have someone like you around who can point out our failings so > >well. > > > > > > Sorry, Lisa, but I think the difference between you and me is that *I* > realize I'm doing the same thing you are doing - you don't. No, the difference is that my replies are purely to you and in the context of conversation, yours are the same arguments to each and every person and thread on the ng. I can have a discussion about other things and people, do you?????? Lisa

2000-06-22 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Allie Andrews" <allie@jupiter23.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:8ish2c$j4r$1@plutonium.compulink.co.uk... > > Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote > > Girl?? > > > > ROTFLOL! Is that supposed to intimidate me???? > > I'll bet you are quaking in your boots now! > I'm so scared that I have hardly slept for two days!

2000-06-22 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com>)


David B. wroteded: > Lisa wrote: > > "Zabana Brandon" wrote: > > > Lisa wroteded: > > > > Merrick wrote > > > > > > > > > Your continuing to make comments about her posting style is > > > > > making such a point quite clearly. Dance all you want around the > > > > > point, girl -- but the fact of the matter is, this "you are/no you > > > > > are" attitude both of you are pulling is just as wrong as hers. > > > > > > > > Girl?? > > > > > > > > ROTFLOL! Is that supposed to intimidate me???? > > > > > > I don't know ... girls scare me. > > > > LOL, you wuss! > > Heh, Canadians are all the same. :) o_O What the heck is this? Pick on Canadians night?

2000-06-22 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com>)


Bozo the Evil Klown wroteded: > > >> Girl?? > >> > >> ROTFLOL! Is that supposed to intimidate me???? > > > >I don't know ... girls scare me. > > > >They're worse than Evil Klowns ... > > I can see I'll have to try harder..... that, or > introduce Za' to a female Evil Klown. o_O (hmmm ... Tracy might not like that much. She's already the equivalent of an Evil Klown, but without all the makeup. <g>)

2000-06-22 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - ("David B." <bothecat@hotmail.com>)


Lisa wrote: > > "Zabana Brandon" <zabana@collegetoday.com> wrote in message > news:39513D68.39DC626A@collegetoday.com... > > Lisa wroteded: > > > Merrick wrote > > > > > > > Your continuing to make comments about her posting style is > > > > making such a point quite clearly. Dance all you want around the > > > > point, girl -- but the fact of the matter is, this "you are/no you > > > > are" attitude both of you are pulling is just as wrong as hers. > > > > > > Girl?? > > > > > > ROTFLOL! Is that supposed to intimidate me???? > > > > I don't know ... girls scare me. > > LOL, you wuss! Heh, Canadians are all the same. :)

2000-06-22 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Denise <esined@jonroocostra.nl>)


Lisa wrote: > Jules wrote > > > not that easily. I asked Richard Arnold about that when Lien was fired > > and he said the studio has all the rights, the actors have none. They > > have to remain true to their contracts, the studio doesn't have to. just pay the actors their money <g>.... Gosh I wish I had a contract like that...... > Allie said that Robert mentioned Jennifer in his Sunday afternoon chat and > put a different light on her leaving. Apparently she was unhappy being on > Voyager and wanted out herself and that she was pleased when she went. He > said that he was happy for her to get what she wanted. Lisa, even though you and I know, I like Rober to bits, I've been to other appearances, where he stated quite a different opinion about J. Lien's ehm. .... disappearance. I must say, after seeing her peformance at a convention...some odd years ago... Fantasticon I think, how the hell did this girl get her job done???? A giggling, making no sense person on stage. But granted, her acting as Kes was okay to me.. -- hugs The niece ================ You've got to do your own growing, no matter how tall your grandfather was. -Irish Proverb

2000-06-22 00:00:00 - Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (kaboom@7of.9)


On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 19:10:36 GMT, Steve Christianson <stevechristianson@yahoo.com> wrote: >X-No-Archive: yes > > > >THURSDAY!! THURSDAY!! THURSDAY!! > >Come to the Battle Royale at the Thunderdome in scenic Seacaucus, New >Jersey for the steel cage grudge match between Lisa "Chakfan" Dugmore >and Merrick "Bad Boy" Baldelli. There's bad blood between these two, >folks: will Merrick win with his patented "hagslap" or will Lisa triumph >with her Pokemon "I choose you!" stare? > >Special guest referee: Robert Beltran! >Color commentator: Tim Russ! >Scorecard girl: Miss Julianna Feigl! > >Don't miss this one, it's the fight of the century! Your ticket pays for >the whole seat, but you'll only need <<<THE EDGE>>> **Alright! I just love a good chickfight! kaboomie

2000-06-22 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (evilklowwn@aol.comedy)


>> Girl?? >> >> ROTFLOL! Is that supposed to intimidate me???? > >I don't know ... girls scare me. > >They're worse than Evil Klowns ... I can see I'll have to try harder..... that, or introduce Za' to a female Evil Klown. ***************************************** "Insanity is a part of the times, Vir: You must learn to *embrace* the madness!!" Londo Mollari

2000-06-22 00:00:00 - Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Therese Gray <tgray@zetnet.co.uk>)


No contest. Lisa has already won without even trying. :) Sigh... "Methinks Merrick and Julianna both protest *FAR* too much... " <VBEG>

2000-06-23 00:00:00 - Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:46:09 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >LOL, I'll have to consult Laura as to what I do next, Chloe will favour >using Onyx, but Laura isn't that impressed with him. Neither am I as a Bulbasaur with Vine Whip and pimpslap the daylights out of Onyx.

2000-06-23 00:00:00 - Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 06:46:41 +0100, "EvilBill[AGQx]" <evilbill25NOSPAM@freeuk.com> wrote: >"Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote in message news:5zx45.8684 >> >> LOL, I'll have to consult Laura as to what I do next, Chloe will favour >> using Onyx, but Laura isn't that impressed with him. > >I favour using Species 8472. <g> Please. They'll run away from the tournament, screaming like some nellie girl.

2000-06-23 00:00:00 - Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:59:27 GMT, Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com> wrote: >What I *meant* to say was: > >> >[patented Ta-styled bitchslap] >> >> [Vorlon ultra cowslap against the closest bulkhead] >> >> IMPUDENCE. > >MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Why do I hear that song, "Ancient & Knowing" playing in the background?

2000-06-23 00:00:00 - Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - ("EvilBill[AGQx]" <evilbill25NOSPAM@freeuk.com>)


"Merrick Baldelli" <mbaldelli@mindspring.com> wrote in message > On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 06:46:41 +0100, "EvilBill[AGQx]" > <evilbill25NOSPAM@freeuk.com> wrote: > > > >I favour using Species 8472. <g> > > Please. They'll run away from the tournament, screaming like > some nellie girl. > Only because someone decided to bring Pokemon into it! -- Walk with the prophets. ICQ: 37464244 Remove NOSPAM from my e-mail address to reply

2000-06-23 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Michele <belanna@uswest.net>)


Julianna Feigl wrote: > > On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:56:17 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: > > >Julianna wrote > > > >" > > > >> >not so! I've never insulted you personally > >> > >> just Tim... > > > >I've never insulted him as a *person* because I dont know him and I wouldnt > >form an opinion without doing so. All I have ever questioned is his > >preferred method of talking at cons > > which you've never seen... > > >and his singing and all I ever said > >about that was that it wasnt to my taste. > > yeah, but the way you formulated it made it sound like you thought his > voice and his singing technique etc. were crap, not his choice of > songs... Why would it matter if someone liked his singing or not. I dont like Elvis presley, but guess what I bet his fans dont give a rats ass what I think. I also thought he sucked as an actor. That is just my opinion.

2000-06-23 00:00:00 - Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - ("Ta', 1/3 of the Janeway/Seven equation" <tateria@yahoo.com>)


TC <yewston@ix.REMOVE.netcom.com> wrote in message news:8iv0sn$cm0$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net... > "Ta', 1/3 of the Janeway/Seven equation" <tateria@yahoo.com> wrote in > message news:zQC45.18474$9W1.370684@news-west.usenetserver.com... > > > > EvilBill[AGQx] <evilbill25NOSPAM@freeuk.com> wrote in > > message news:oKC45.435$Kb6.50552@nnrp3.clara.net... > > > "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote in message news:5zx45.8684 > > > > > > > > LOL, I'll have to consult Laura as to what I do next, > > Chloe will favour > > > > using Onyx, but Laura isn't that impressed with him. > > > > > > > > > > I favour using Species 8472. <g> > > > > favor. > > > > Stupid forigner. > > foreigner, > > Stupid Sith Sith Lord. Stupid... Stupid Poopy head.

2000-06-23 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 20:50:39 GMT, Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote: >In the meantime you could try to get your hands on his Seaquest >guest-appearance, the ep title is "Photon Bullet", and it is a big >part, not a small cameo. A human character, too, and slightly off >kilter... :-) Sounds like his role in the remake recently for Journey to the Center of the Earth.

2000-06-23 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 18:20:46 GMT, "John Ro" <rousieboy_2000@yahoo.com> wrote: >I think there's One case where just about everyone can tell the difference, >heh. But He Who Shan't Be Named hasn't made his way back here...

2000-06-23 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 20:02:59 GMT, Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote: >AFAIK Jennifer broke down at a convention when she told them the news >and almost broke into tears and couldn't finish her talk. And Kate >Mulgrew cried and allthe others were "upset". If this had been what >she really, really wanted, I doubt anybody would have been upset - >just happy for her and maybe sad to see her go. Actors are like politicians. They can turn their feelings on and off like a faucet. I should know, 17 years dealing with politicians, has taught me well to do the same. I would take such public displays of emotions with a grain of salt.

2000-06-23 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 04:30:15 GMT, "David B." <bothecat@hotmail.com> wrote: >> What the heck is this? Pick on Canadians night? > >Isn't every day a pick on Canadians day? Only on South Park. We only pick on Canadians during the week.

2000-06-23 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 05:31:14 GMT, laura_l_d@my-deja.com wrote: >How can one enjoy their job when you are frustrated and your talents are >under utilized? Like Robert Beltran's for instance. You're confusing under utilized here for inconsistently written.

2000-06-23 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On 23 Jun 2000 04:06:48 GMT, juli17@aol.com (Juli17) wrote: >Just curious, but how come you don't criticize Julianna for purposely pushing >buttons and not backing down? I have in the past. >Because she's been here longer, or is a personal friend or >something? I'm just wondering why the disparity. I decided on going towards the weaker link in this instance.

2000-06-23 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com>)


Julianna Feigl wrote: > Zabana Brandon wrote: > >Julianna Feigl wroteded: > > > >> I don't try to undermine your opinions, I just > >> can't understand how anybody would *like* an > >> unfriendly condescending, arrogant old fart > >> like Beltran ... > > > >Just taking a guess here, but maybe because Lisa > >doesn't think he's unfriendly, condescending, > >arrogant, old, or a fart? > > That is exactly what I cannot understand. He > was abysmal when I met him - and he also > must've been hell to work with for the convention > organizers, since he did not appear to his guest > talk and had some other program point go out > first, and not even the security staff in > the hall knew whether or not he *Would* come > out later and if so when... I dunno. Maybe he was having a bad day? Those do happen to everyone, you know. :) Cept me. I'm not prone to them anymore. I've discovered the greatest defense to bad days. <g>

2000-06-23 00:00:00 - Re: Laura vs. Naomi: who would win? (was Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran)) - ("EvilBill[AGQx]" <evilbill25NOSPAM@freeuk.com>)


"Steve Christianson" <stevechristianson@yahoo.com> wrote in message > X-No-Archive: yes > > Lisa wrote: > > > > I've had a long conversation with Laura this morning and apparently I need > > to use a Giant Jigglypuff, who sings the Jigglypuff song in an evil voice > > and will indeed defeat Merricks Alakazam. > > I think I'm the only person who has never seen Pokemon (in a strange > way, I take a peverse pride in this...) and has absolutely no idea what > you're talking about. <g> Same here <g> -- Walk with the prophets. ICQ: 37464244 Remove NOSPAM from my e-mail address to reply

2000-06-23 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:03:51 GMT, Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com> wrote: >Julianna Feigl wroteded: > >> I don't try to undermine your opinions, I just >> can't understand how anybody would *like* an >> unfriendly condescending, arrogant old fart >> like Beltran ... > >Just taking a guess here, but maybe because Lisa >doesn't think he's unfriendly, condescending, >arrogant, old, or a fart? That is exactly what I cannot understand. He was abysmal when I met him - and he also must've been hell to work with for the convention organizers, since he did not appear to his guest talk and had some other program point go out first, and not even the security staff in the hall knew whether or not he *Would* come out later and if so when... Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-23 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:46:13 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: > >"Zabana Brandon" <zabana@collegetoday.com> wrote in message >news:3952A995.49E19585@collegetoday.com... >> Julianna Feigl wroteded: >> >> > I don't try to undermine your opinions, I just >> > can't understand how anybody would *like* an >> > unfriendly condescending, arrogant old fart >> > like Beltran ... >> >> Just taking a guess here, but maybe because Lisa >> doesn't think he's unfriendly, condescending, >> arrogant, old, or a fart? > >LOL, Zabby you couldn't have hit the nail any harder if you'd used a mallet! > I still don't understand why you would *not* feel that way... Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-23 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:56:17 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >Julianna wrote > >" > >> >not so! I've never insulted you personally >> >> just Tim... > >I've never insulted him as a *person* because I dont know him and I wouldnt >form an opinion without doing so. All I have ever questioned is his >preferred method of talking at cons which you've never seen... >and his singing and all I ever said >about that was that it wasnt to my taste. yeah, but the way you formulated it made it sound like you thought his voice and his singing technique etc. were crap, not his choice of songs... >> > or questioned your dedication to >> >Tim, but you constantly try to undermine my opinions and make me look >> >stupid. >> > > >> > >> >> maybe if you read *all* my posts, not just those replying to you you >> wouldn'T have to ask that question? :-) > >LOL, there isnt time!!! I try to read as much of everybody as I can, but >sometimes I just reply to people I am involved with at the time and most of >the time we are talking about RB and TR<g> > at least we're on topic - sort of... :-) Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-23 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On 23 Jun 2000 04:06:48 GMT, juli17@aol.com (Juli17) wrote: >> Simply knowing the right time to back down when one fully >>knows all the buttons that're going to be pushed will cause what it's >>caused and instead of going off on the tangent of, "let's teach her a >>lesson because we've had it with her attitude". >> >> So, in essence, you got a taste of exactly the same type of >>medicine you were dishing out for failing to back down. > >Just curious, but how come you don't criticize Julianna for purposely pushing >buttons and not backing down? You've pointed out that two rights don't make a >wrong, etc, so you know she is doing the same thing here, yet you don't >criticize her. Because she's been here longer, or is a personal friend or >something? I'm just wondering why the disparity. > > because a *group* was attacking *me*, the single person... I think :-) Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-23 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 05:31:14 GMT, laura_l_d@my-deja.com wrote: > >> >>2. They like working together. Maybe they have frustrations about screentime, >> >>or the writing, but enjoying one's job and the people one works with can make >> >>up for a lot of frustrations. > > >How can one enjoy their job when you are frustrated and your talents are >under utilized? Like Robert Beltran's for instance. just look at Tim Russ, he shows you how one can enjoy the job even with next to no screentime and underutilization that stinks to high heaven. it's called *professionalism*. Letting your bruised ego (the feeling that you are being underutilized or not challenged enough) get in the way of your performance, as it does with RB is *unprofessional*. Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-23 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:25:21 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: > ><laura_l_d@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8iusn2$c1m$1@nnrp1.deja.com... >> >> > >>2. They like working together. Maybe they have frustrations about >screentime, >> > >>or the writing, but enjoying one's job and the people one works with >can make >> > >>up for a lot of frustrations. >> >> >> How can one enjoy their job when you are frustrated and your talents are >> under utilized? Like Robert Beltran's for instance. >> > >exactly and I'm sure this is how Julianna feels for Tim as well. > Exactly - only unlike "certain" fans of "some" actors <g> I can be extremely proud of "my" Tim - since despite all these problems and the injustice done to him in terms of screentime he *always* remains professional, never starts to sleepwalk through an episode and constantly gives his very best, even in a 10-seconds scene :-)))))))))))) Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-23 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:32:13 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >Julianna wrote > >> > >> >> maybe for a while, but I think they all left pretty early and just >> Robert remained and there was some dancing afterwards... >> > >I remember reading that Robbie had to get back for the babysitter, but I >suppose Robert would have to stay to the end as he was the host. It would >have been pretty rude to have left early. > > *he* would probably stay... >> > >> >It goes back to being Vulcan, he's of interest because people know about >> >Vulcans because of Spock. But as I said, Trek gets no advertising here >> >whatsoever. >> >> not all that much, that is, but *if* so, they use prominently featured >> characters, not background people.. > >Honestly, I have never seen any promotion for Voyager whatsoever, >occasionally Sky run mini themes but they all revolve around Seven of Nine, >but in print, other than specialist magazines, I have never seen anything >about Voyager. it's bad enough that the SF-mags promote the others more than Tim... >> >yeah, but you need to gain that audience in the first place and the BBC >do >> >nothing whatsoever to promote it, in fact they go out of their way to >make >> >it very difficult to watch. >> >> >> Still, those that *do* watch are those that go to conventions. And who >> do they want to see? The guy with lots of big parts or the one with an >> average of 20 lines per ep? > >To a degree maybe, but remember that the internet still isnt that widely >used over here and most people dont know that conventions are on. conventions are also advertised in SF-mags, local SF-stores etc. >> >not over here, there would be practically zero interest in them. >> >> A couple of months back I saw a mag on the newsstands that had >> "Voyager stars Robert Picardo and Robert Duncan McNeill speak" written >> all over the front page. Inside was an *article*, not an interview, >> about the beginning of season 6. Braga made some comments, McNeill, >> Picardo, maybe 1 or 2 others. Although "Riddles" must have been in >> preparation by then ("Alice" was discussed at length), there was not >> one word about it and Braga shrugged the question about Tuvok off and >> concentrated on everybody but. >> Then there is the March-issue I think, of "Starburst", which has an >> interview with Tim in it. A real interview, not an article with some >> comments by Tim in it. The cover shows Frakes and announces an >> exclusive interview with him about the "Roswell"-stuff he was doing, >> there are two smaller insert pics with description and in a corner, >> almost invisible you can read: "Voyager - meeting Tuvok's alter ego". >> Not only is there no pic of Tim on the cover, his name is not even >> mentioned. That's the difference... > >I do understand that, but these are specialist magazines, I'm talking more >generally in the press and tv magazines and I never see anything about it. but one has to start somewhere - that's how Tim, a regular on an SF-show, is being advertised to SF-fans.... >Occasionally when a new series starts the satellite magazines run a feature, >but it normally is a general feature telling you a little about the >characters or what to expect from the season ahead. > >> > >> >LOL, but was he interesting???? >> >> childish, immature, puerile, and it certainly was an interesting >> experience... :-) >> > >Really??? He was as bad as Wesley then? > pretty similar :-) >> > >> >> >> >> > and to do other projects like his CD >> >> >> >> why did he have to be on Voyager to do his CD???? >> > >> >He didnt but it must help with the promotion of it, to be able to >introduce >> >him as "Tim Russ from Voyager" >> >> no different than if he were, say, "Tim Russ from Baywatch" or any >> other series... > >No, but he can still say he's from Voyager. > my point was, that it wouldn't have had to be Voyager. He would have the same exposure (or maybe even a better one) had he ended up on another series... Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-23 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com>)


David B. wroteded: > Zabana Brandon wrote: > > What the heck is this? Pick on Canadians night? > > Isn't every day a pick on Canadians day? :P

2000-06-23 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com>)


Chris W. wrote: > "David B." wrote: > > > > Heh, Canadians are all the same. :) > > > > > > o_O > > > > > > What the heck is this? Pick on Canadians night? > > > > Isn't every day a pick on Canadians day? > > No. Right on, Bruddah! > Chris W. > > THE CANADIANS HAVE SPOKEN EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK

2000-06-23 00:00:00 - Re: Night of the Comet vs. Battlefield Earth: which s*cks more? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


Julianna wrote > > > > maybe for a while, but I think they all left pretty early and just > Robert remained and there was some dancing afterwards... > I remember reading that Robbie had to get back for the babysitter, but I suppose Robert would have to stay to the end as he was the host. It would have been pretty rude to have left early. > > > >It goes back to being Vulcan, he's of interest because people know about > >Vulcans because of Spock. But as I said, Trek gets no advertising here > >whatsoever. > > not all that much, that is, but *if* so, they use prominently featured > characters, not background people.. Honestly, I have never seen any promotion for Voyager whatsoever, occasionally Sky run mini themes but they all revolve around Seven of Nine, but in print, other than specialist magazines, I have never seen anything about Voyager. > > > >yeah, but you need to gain that audience in the first place and the BBC do > >nothing whatsoever to promote it, in fact they go out of their way to make > >it very difficult to watch. > > > Still, those that *do* watch are those that go to conventions. And who > do they want to see? The guy with lots of big parts or the one with an > average of 20 lines per ep? To a degree maybe, but remember that the internet still isnt that widely used over here and most people dont know that conventions are on. > > > >not over here, there would be practically zero interest in them. > > A couple of months back I saw a mag on the newsstands that had > "Voyager stars Robert Picardo and Robert Duncan McNeill speak" written > all over the front page. Inside was an *article*, not an interview, > about the beginning of season 6. Braga made some comments, McNeill, > Picardo, maybe 1 or 2 others. Although "Riddles" must have been in > preparation by then ("Alice" was discussed at length), there was not > one word about it and Braga shrugged the question about Tuvok off and > concentrated on everybody but. > Then there is the March-issue I think, of "Starburst", which has an > interview with Tim in it. A real interview, not an article with some > comments by Tim in it. The cover shows Frakes and announces an > exclusive interview with him about the "Roswell"-stuff he was doing, > there are two smaller insert pics with description and in a corner, > almost invisible you can read: "Voyager - meeting Tuvok's alter ego". > Not only is there no pic of Tim on the cover, his name is not even > mentioned. That's the difference... I do understand that, but these are specialist magazines, I'm talking more generally in the press and tv magazines and I never see anything about it. Occasionally when a new series starts the satellite magazines run a feature, but it normally is a general feature telling you a little about the characters or what to expect from the season ahead. > > > >LOL, but was he interesting???? > > childish, immature, puerile, and it certainly was an interesting > experience... :-) > Really??? He was as bad as Wesley then? > > > >> > >> > and to do other projects like his CD > >> > >> why did he have to be on Voyager to do his CD???? > > > >He didnt but it must help with the promotion of it, to be able to introduce > >him as "Tim Russ from Voyager" > > no different than if he were, say, "Tim Russ from Baywatch" or any > other series... No, but he can still say he's from Voyager. Lisa

2000-06-23 00:00:00 - Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"EvilBill[AGQx]" <evilbill25NOSPAM@freeuk.com> wrote in message news:oKC45.435$Kb6.50552@nnrp3.clara.net... > "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote in message news:5zx45.8684 > > > > LOL, I'll have to consult Laura as to what I do next, Chloe will favour > > using Onyx, but Laura isn't that impressed with him. > > > > I favour using Species 8472. <g> > I've had a long conversation with Laura this morning and apparently I need to use a Giant Jigglypuff, who sings the Jigglypuff song in an evil voice and will indeed defeat Merricks Alakazam.

2000-06-23 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


<laura_l_d@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8iusn2$c1m$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > > > >>2. They like working together. Maybe they have frustrations about screentime, > > >>or the writing, but enjoying one's job and the people one works with can make > > >>up for a lot of frustrations. > > > How can one enjoy their job when you are frustrated and your talents are > under utilized? Like Robert Beltran's for instance. > exactly and I'm sure this is how Julianna feels for Tim as well. Lisa

2000-06-23 00:00:00 - Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (F_Lee <fionablue47@DIESPAMDIEhotmail.com>)


Lisa wrote >> > LOL, I'll have to consult Laura as to what I do next, Chloe will favour >> > using Onyx, but Laura isn't that impressed with him. >> > >> >> I favour using Species 8472. <g> >> > >I've had a long conversation with Laura this morning and apparently I need >to use a Giant Jigglypuff, who sings the Jigglypuff song in an evil voice >and will indeed defeat Merricks Alakazam. > Well, I'm convinced and I don't know anything about Pokemon. :-) You go ..girl! ...I mean.... Lisa! :-) Fiona

2000-06-23 00:00:00 - Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"F_Lee" <fionablue47@DIESPAMDIEhotmail.com> wrote in message news:39536ee9@news.iprimus.com.au... > > Lisa wrote > >> > LOL, I'll have to consult Laura as to what I do next, Chloe will favour > >> > using Onyx, but Laura isn't that impressed with him. > >> > > >> > >> I favour using Species 8472. <g> > >> > > > >I've had a long conversation with Laura this morning and apparently I need > >to use a Giant Jigglypuff, who sings the Jigglypuff song in an evil voice > >and will indeed defeat Merricks Alakazam. > > > > Well, I'm convinced and I don't know anything about Pokemon. :-) > You go ..girl! > ...I mean.... Lisa! :-) > ROTFLOL!

2000-06-23 00:00:00 - Re: Laura vs. Naomi: who would win? (was Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran)) - (starwind@khijol.org)


>> I've had a long conversation with Laura this morning and apparently I need >> to use a Giant Jigglypuff, who sings the Jigglypuff song in an evil voice >> and will indeed defeat Merricks Alakazam. > > >I think I'm the only person who has never seen Pokemon (in a strange >way, I take a peverse pride in this...) and has absolutely no idea what >you're talking about. <g> Steve, not to worry, you are NOT alone... SW.

2000-06-23 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:40:26 -0400, Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com> wrote: >On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:03:08 GMT, Julianna Feigl ><glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote: > >>yeah, sure... 7 years in the background... there is more exposure by >>doing only one small guest spot every other month than in doing the >>background furniture stuff on Voyager... > > See my post regarding what acting in Star Trek (and science >fiction) does to one's career, if you're not William Shatner or >Patrick Stewart. don't frustrate me even more! I'm worried enough already... Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-23 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (juli17@aol.com)


> Simply knowing the right time to back down when one fully >knows all the buttons that're going to be pushed will cause what it's >caused and instead of going off on the tangent of, "let's teach her a >lesson because we've had it with her attitude". > > So, in essence, you got a taste of exactly the same type of >medicine you were dishing out for failing to back down. Just curious, but how come you don't criticize Julianna for purposely pushing buttons and not backing down? You've pointed out that two rights don't make a wrong, etc, so you know she is doing the same thing here, yet you don't criticize her. Because she's been here longer, or is a personal friend or something? I'm just wondering why the disparity. Julie

2000-06-23 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - ("David B." <bothecat@hotmail.com>)


Zabana Brandon wrote: > > David B. wroteded: > > Lisa wrote: > > > "Zabana Brandon" wrote: > > > > Lisa wroteded: > > > > > Merrick wrote > > > > > > > > > > > Your continuing to make comments about her posting style is > > > > > > making such a point quite clearly. Dance all you want around the > > > > > > point, girl -- but the fact of the matter is, this "you are/no you > > > > > > are" attitude both of you are pulling is just as wrong as hers. > > > > > > > > > > Girl?? > > > > > > > > > > ROTFLOL! Is that supposed to intimidate me???? > > > > > > > > I don't know ... girls scare me. > > > > > > LOL, you wuss! > > > > Heh, Canadians are all the same. :) > > o_O > > What the heck is this? Pick on Canadians night? Isn't every day a pick on Canadians day?

2000-06-23 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (laura_l_d@my-deja.com)


> >>2. They like working together. Maybe they have frustrations about screentime, > >>or the writing, but enjoying one's job and the people one works with can make > >>up for a lot of frustrations. How can one enjoy their job when you are frustrated and your talents are under utilized? Like Robert Beltran's for instance. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

2000-06-23 00:00:00 - Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - ("Ta', 1/3 of the Janeway/Seven equation" <tateria@yahoo.com>)


EvilBill[AGQx] <evilbill25NOSPAM@freeuk.com> wrote in message news:oKC45.435$Kb6.50552@nnrp3.clara.net... > "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote in message news:5zx45.8684 > > > > LOL, I'll have to consult Laura as to what I do next, Chloe will favour > > using Onyx, but Laura isn't that impressed with him. > > > > I favour using Species 8472. <g> favor. Stupid forigner.

2000-06-23 00:00:00 - Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - ("EvilBill[AGQx]" <evilbill25NOSPAM@freeuk.com>)


"Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote in message news:5zx45.8684 > > LOL, I'll have to consult Laura as to what I do next, Chloe will favour > using Onyx, but Laura isn't that impressed with him. > I favour using Species 8472. <g> -- Walk with the prophets. ICQ: 37464244 Remove NOSPAM from my e-mail address to reply

2000-06-23 00:00:00 - Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (TC <yewston@ix.REMOVE.netcom.com>)


"Ta', 1/3 of the Janeway/Seven equation" <tateria@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:zQC45.18474$9W1.370684@news-west.usenetserver.com... > > EvilBill[AGQx] <evilbill25NOSPAM@freeuk.com> wrote in > message news:oKC45.435$Kb6.50552@nnrp3.clara.net... > > "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote in message news:5zx45.8684 > > > > > > LOL, I'll have to consult Laura as to what I do next, > Chloe will favour > > > using Onyx, but Laura isn't that impressed with him. > > > > > > > I favour using Species 8472. <g> > > favor. > > Stupid forigner. foreigner, Stupid Sith

2000-06-23 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com>)


Lisa wroteded: > "Zabana Brandon" wrote: > > Julianna Feigl wroteded: > > > > > I don't try to undermine your opinions, I just > > > can't understand how anybody would *like* an > > > unfriendly condescending, arrogant old fart > > > like Beltran ... > > > > Just taking a guess here, but maybe because Lisa > > doesn't think he's unfriendly, condescending, > > arrogant, old, or a fart? > > LOL, Zabby you couldn't have hit the nail any > harder if you'd used a mallet! o_O Why would I use a mallet? That's what I have a forehead for ...

2000-06-24 00:00:00 - Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com>)


Merrick Baldelli wroteded: > Zabana Brandon wrote: > > >What I *meant* to say was: > > > >> >[patented Ta-styled bitchslap] > >> > >> [Vorlon ultra cowslap against the closest bulkhead] > >> > >> IMPUDENCE. > > > >MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. > > Why do I hear that song, "Ancient & Knowing" > playing in the background? Maybe cuz you got your 8-track deck a-goin'? (actually, you got me on this one. I don't recognize that song. <f>)

2000-06-26 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com>)


Merrick Baldelli wroteded: > Zabana Brandon wrote: > > >Cept me. I'm not prone to them anymore. I've > >discovered the greatest defense to bad days. <g> > > Prozac? Naw. That band's okay, but they aren't a good defense against a bad day. <eg> Ready for my secret? (hands out barf bags to everyone reading just in case ...) True Love [1] and Tracy. :) - Zabana Brandon ... riding high on happy. [1] Yes. All naysayers may speak in protest, but I assure you that it does exist. :)

2000-06-26 00:00:00 - Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


Merrick wrote " : > > >I've had a long conversation with Laura this morning and apparently I need > >to use a Giant Jigglypuff, who sings the Jigglypuff song in an evil voice > >and will indeed defeat Merricks Alakazam. > > What's scary is that I know precisely where she's getting that > too -- from the cartoon series. ROTFLOL! Indeed! We are *treated* to 8 episodes a day on Sky One at the moment and I dread to think what it will be when the schools break up in a few weeks time! > > However, I was thinking about from the Gameboy game, and in > order to beat an Alakazam in the Gameboy, you definitely need a > Gengar. Ah! So far I've resisted buying her the Gameboy, she's only 6 at the moment, but I fear it will appear from Father Christmas this year <g>. Gengar is pretty cool though, one of Chloes favourites, although she does a wicked impersonation of Onyx. Lisa > >

2000-06-26 00:00:00 - Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Merrick Baldelli" <mbaldelli@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:bloelscoqmktgp6nb8kurvqmhbtd3hjqcs@4ax.com... > On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:06:34 GMT, "F_Lee" > <fionablue47@DIESPAMDIEhotmail.com> wrote: > > >Well, I'm convinced and I don't know anything about Pokemon. :-) > >You go ..girl! ...I mean.... Lisa! :-) > > Came across this program out there on Pokemon Central, called > the Podedex. It's a public domain access database with all 150 > Pokemon (with the exclusion of Missing Number, but that's really hard > to catch even in the game). > I've seen that site and the kids love it. I bought Laura an electronic Pokedex for Christmas and the thing is nearly worn out by now. Lisa >

2000-06-26 00:00:00 - Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Sat, 24 Jun 2000 20:35:19 GMT, Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com> wrote: >Merrick Baldelli wroteded: >> Zabana Brandon wrote: >> >> >What I *meant* to say was: >> > >> >> >[patented Ta-styled bitchslap] >> >> >> >> [Vorlon ultra cowslap against the closest bulkhead] >> >> >> >> IMPUDENCE. >> > >> >MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. >> >> Why do I hear that song, "Ancient & Knowing" >> playing in the background? > >Maybe cuz you got your 8-track deck a-goin'? > >(actually, you got me on this one. I don't recognize >that song. <f>) Disco song from the early 90's. Was sung by some really aging Country Music Diva... I know that's only part of the title, but everyone knows it by the pet name, "moo moo song"

2000-06-26 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 19:46:16 GMT, Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com> wrote: >Cept me. I'm not prone to them anymore. I've >discovered the greatest defense to bad days. <g> Prozac?

2000-06-26 00:00:00 - Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:25:19 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >I've had a long conversation with Laura this morning and apparently I need >to use a Giant Jigglypuff, who sings the Jigglypuff song in an evil voice >and will indeed defeat Merricks Alakazam. What's scary is that I know precisely where she's getting that too -- from the cartoon series. However, I was thinking about from the Gameboy game, and in order to beat an Alakazam in the Gameboy, you definitely need a Gengar.

2000-06-26 00:00:00 - Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:06:34 GMT, "F_Lee" <fionablue47@DIESPAMDIEhotmail.com> wrote: >Well, I'm convinced and I don't know anything about Pokemon. :-) >You go ..girl! ...I mean.... Lisa! :-) Came across this program out there on Pokemon Central, called the Podedex. It's a public domain access database with all 150 Pokemon (with the exclusion of Missing Number, but that's really hard to catch even in the game).

2000-06-26 00:00:00 - Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 23:18:56 +0100, "EvilBill[AGQx]" <evilbill25NOSPAM@freeuk.com> wrote: >"Merrick Baldelli" <mbaldelli@mindspring.com> wrote in message >> On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 06:46:41 +0100, "EvilBill[AGQx]" >> <evilbill25NOSPAM@freeuk.com> wrote: >> > >> >I favour using Species 8472. <g> >> >> Please. They'll run away from the tournament, screaming like >> some nellie girl. >> > >Only because someone decided to bring Pokemon into it! They run from it because they're nothing but the pansies in Fluidic Space. Just ask everyone else from that neck of the neighborhood.

2000-06-26 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 17:20:07 -0400, Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com> wrote: >On Thu, 22 Jun 2000 20:50:39 GMT, Julianna Feigl ><glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote: > >>In the meantime you could try to get your hands on his Seaquest >>guest-appearance, the ep title is "Photon Bullet", and it is a big >>part, not a small cameo. A human character, too, and slightly off >>kilter... :-) > > Sounds like his role in the remake recently for Journey to the >Center of the Earth. > nope, I've seen that as well, but "Photon Bullet" is better :-) Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-26 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 19:46:16 GMT, Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com> wrote: >Julianna Feigl wrote: >> Zabana Brandon wrote: >> >Julianna Feigl wroteded: >> > >> >> I don't try to undermine your opinions, I just >> >> can't understand how anybody would *like* an >> >> unfriendly condescending, arrogant old fart >> >> like Beltran ... >> > >> >Just taking a guess here, but maybe because Lisa >> >doesn't think he's unfriendly, condescending, >> >arrogant, old, or a fart? >> >> That is exactly what I cannot understand. He >> was abysmal when I met him - and he also >> must've been hell to work with for the convention >> organizers, since he did not appear to his guest >> talk and had some other program point go out >> first, and not even the security staff in >> the hall knew whether or not he *Would* come >> out later and if so when... > >I dunno. Maybe he was having a bad day? Those >do happen to everyone, you know. :) No. It was two days. And it was not the only time he was terrible. I've seen reviews of other conventions. And even *if* he had a bad day - if you don't feel like going out on stage when you are due, the least thing you *could* do would be to inform the organizers and ask them to announce the change in schedule. Maybe somebody is interested in the auction/slide show/somebody else's talk that is going on when he should be out and misses it because they don'T know it's on, while others might want to know if he'll be out later or if they can go home and relieve the babysitter. For example. >Cept me. I'm not prone to them anymore. I've >discovered the greatest defense to bad days. <g> Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-26 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Julianna Feigl <glacierqueenNOSPAM@hotmail.com>)


On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 17:44:13 -0700, Michele <belanna@uswest.net> wrote: >Why would it matter if someone liked his singing or not. I >dont like Elvis presley, but guess what I bet his fans dont >give a rats ass what I think. Elvis is an established artist. His fans or family members won't care what you or I or anybody else thinks about him, since he's made enough of a name for himself that his records still sell and his family still profits from it. This situation is totally different from that of an actor trying to get into music and just having released a first album. Especially when said actor (thanks to non-existing screentime) is widely unknown to the general audience and has only a *very* tiny group of people with who he can promote his album. In such a small fan base *everybody's* opinion counts and can make a difference. > I also thought he sucked as an >actor. That is just my opinion. Julianna -------- Tuvok: The main reason to watch Voyager!

2000-06-27 00:00:00 - Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


Merrick wrote > > > >Ah! So far I've resisted buying her the Gameboy, she's only 6 at the > >moment, but I fear it will appear from Father Christmas this year <g>. > > You wouldn't believe what kind of livesaver it is on road > trips!!!!! Not once do we here the question, "are we there yet?" > While that game's going. Of course, I frequently okay thirty-thousand > times) have to hear my name being mentioned and whether I caught this > one or that on my version of the game (PC). LOL, thats whats tempting me, the thought of keeping them quiet! > >Gengar is pretty cool though, one of Chloes favourites, although she does a > >wicked impersonation of Onyx. > > LOL... About the only thing I seem to be good at imitating is > Jar Jar Binks. and you admit to that?????? > >

2000-06-27 00:00:00 - Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Lisa <lisa@chakfan.com>)


"Merrick Baldelli" <mbaldelli@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:6ofhls4os277ep5sh9sr9pcar6vnbpgn1r@4ax.com... > On Mon, 26 Jun 2000 21:56:11 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: > > >I've seen that site and the kids love it. I bought Laura an electronic > >Pokedex for Christmas and the thing is nearly worn out by now. > > If you want to check out the game as well before plonking down > $100.00 (American), you can check out http://www.emunation.com There > you can find all the different emulators and games available to be > played on the PC. > > Thanks :-)

2000-06-27 00:00:00 - Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Mon, 26 Jun 2000 21:56:11 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >I've seen that site and the kids love it. I bought Laura an electronic >Pokedex for Christmas and the thing is nearly worn out by now. If you want to check out the game as well before plonking down $100.00 (American), you can check out http://www.emunation.com There you can find all the different emulators and games available to be played on the PC.

2000-06-27 00:00:00 - Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Mon, 26 Jun 2000 21:56:09 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >> >I've had a long conversation with Laura this morning and apparently I >need >> >to use a Giant Jigglypuff, who sings the Jigglypuff song in an evil voice >> >and will indeed defeat Merricks Alakazam. >> >> What's scary is that I know precisely where she's getting that >> too -- from the cartoon series. > >ROTFLOL! Indeed! We are *treated* to 8 episodes a day on Sky One at the >moment and I dread to think what it will be when the schools break up in a >few weeks time! Considering that it's shown here twice a day (I even get to see it a little before I head to work), six times on Saturday, and another three times on Sunday... Well, you get the picture. >> However, I was thinking about from the Gameboy game, and in >> order to beat an Alakazam in the Gameboy, you definitely need a >> Gengar. > >Ah! So far I've resisted buying her the Gameboy, she's only 6 at the >moment, but I fear it will appear from Father Christmas this year <g>. You wouldn't believe what kind of livesaver it is on road trips!!!!! Not once do we here the question, "are we there yet?" While that game's going. Of course, I frequently okay thirty-thousand times) have to hear my name being mentioned and whether I caught this one or that on my version of the game (PC). However, unlike his father who was easily duped by him saying, "I'm in a battle, I can't stop it now" -- he can't try this one with me, as I know when there's a battle and when there isn't a battle by a quick look at the screen. >Gengar is pretty cool though, one of Chloes favourites, although she does a >wicked impersonation of Onyx. LOL... About the only thing I seem to be good at imitating is Jar Jar Binks.

2000-06-27 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - ("EvilBill[AGQx]" <evilbill25NOSPAM@freeuk.com>)


"Zabana Brandon" <zabana@collegetoday.com> wrote in message > > Ready for my secret? > > (hands out barf bags to everyone reading just > in case ...) > > True Love [1] and Tracy. :) > Mine is: Chlo��� :-))))) -- * This is not my first temporal anomaly. ICQ: 37464244 Remove NOSPAM to reply by e-mail.

2000-06-27 00:00:00 - Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - ("EvilBill[AGQx]" <evilbill25NOSPAM@freeuk.com>)


"Merrick Baldelli" <mbaldelli@mindspring.com> wrote in message > On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 23:18:56 +0100, "EvilBill[AGQx]" > <evilbill25NOSPAM@freeuk.com> wrote: > > > >Only because someone decided to bring Pokemon into it! > > They run from it because they're nothing but the pansies in > Fluidic Space. Just ask everyone else from that neck of the > neighborhood. > Including the Borg? <g> -- * Don't you pass out on me now! ICQ: 37464244 Remove NOSPAM to reply by e-mail.

2000-06-28 00:00:00 - Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Tue, 27 Jun 2000 06:56:51 +0100, "EvilBill[AGQx]" <evilbill25NOSPAM@freeuk.com> wrote: >"Merrick Baldelli" <mbaldelli@mindspring.com> wrote in message >> On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 23:18:56 +0100, "EvilBill[AGQx]" >> <evilbill25NOSPAM@freeuk.com> wrote: >> > >> >Only because someone decided to bring Pokemon into it! >> >> They run from it because they're nothing but the pansies in >> Fluidic Space. Just ask everyone else from that neck of the >> neighborhood. > >Including the Borg? <g> The Borg are from OUR neck of the neighborhood, dear. -- -=-=-/ )=*=-='=-.-'-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= _( (_ , '_ * . Merrick Baldelli (((\ \> /_1 ` UIN#: 788639 (\\\\ \_/ / -=-\ /-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- \ _/ / /

2000-06-28 00:00:00 - Re: Merrick vs. Lisa: who will win? (was Re: A question for Robert Beltran) - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:00:18 GMT, "Lisa" <lisa@chakfan.com> wrote: >> LOL... About the only thing I seem to be good at imitating is >> Jar Jar Binks. > >and you admit to that?????? Only under extreme duress or inebriation./ -- -=-=-/ )=*=-='=-.-'-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= _( (_ , '_ * . Merrick Baldelli (((\ \> /_1 ` UIN#: 788639 (\\\\ \_/ / -=-\ /-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- \ _/ / /

2000-06-28 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Mon, 26 Jun 2000 23:31:13 GMT, Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com> wrote: >Merrick Baldelli wroteded: >> Zabana Brandon wrote: >> >> >Cept me. I'm not prone to them anymore. I've >> >discovered the greatest defense to bad days. <g> >> >> Prozac? > >Naw. That band's okay, but they aren't a good >defense against a bad day. <eg> I was talking about the prescription medication. >Ready for my secret? > >(hands out barf bags to everyone reading just > in case ...) > >True Love [1] and Tracy. :) Just as long as it wasn't a towel and one's right hand. >[1] Yes. All naysayers may speak in protest, > but I assure you that it does exist. :) Don't get me started. -- -=-=-/ )=*=-='=-.-'-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= _( (_ , '_ * . Merrick Baldelli (((\ \> /_1 ` UIN#: 788639 (\\\\ \_/ / -=-\ /-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- \ _/ / /

2000-06-29 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Thu, 29 Jun 2000 01:40:20 GMT, Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com> wrote: >> >True Love [1] and Tracy. :) >> >> Just as long as it wasn't a towel and >> one's right hand. > >I thought that's how you were supposed to hitch >hike across the universe? That would be a thought... > >> >[1] Yes. All naysayers may speak in protest, >> > but I assure you that it does exist. :) >> >> Don't get me started. > >And the yay or nay of it? Nay in regards to the thoughtform of what people think they should see and feel when it's upon them. It's so much more and less than that mystic feeling everyone seems to write about. >Seriously though ... after what I've experienced >in this past year, I do honestly believe that it >exists. I believe that one shouldn't look at that sign too closely for fear of the karma fairy jumping your ass and treating you like some over-worked under-drugged hooker in Lower Manhattan. >I can't prove my experiences, nor will >I argue with those who don't believe that it does, >because what it all comes down to is what each >individual believes in what he or she does. > >Er ... did that make sense? Ahhh, the power of illusions and delusions. Why just last night I entertained myself with several of these. -- -=-=-/ )=*=-='=-.-'-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= _( (_ , '_ * . Merrick Baldelli (((\ \> /_1 ` UIN#: 788639 (\\\\ \_/ / -=-\ /-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- \ _/ / /

2000-06-29 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com>)


Merrick Baldelli wroteded: > Zabana Brandon wrote: > >Merrick Baldelli wroteded: > >> Zabana Brandon wrote: > >> > >> >Cept me. I'm not prone to them anymore. I've > >> >discovered the greatest defense to bad days. <g> > >> > >> Prozac? > > > >Naw. That band's okay, but they aren't a good > >defense against a bad day. <eg> > > I was talking about the prescription medication. Who needs medication to keep me tranquil when I've got ... er ... hm. I might want to rethink that. > >Ready for my secret? > > > >(hands out barf bags to everyone reading just > > in case ...) > > > >True Love [1] and Tracy. :) > > Just as long as it wasn't a towel and > one's right hand. I thought that's how you were supposed to hitch hike across the universe? > >[1] Yes. All naysayers may speak in protest, > > but I assure you that it does exist. :) > > Don't get me started. And the yay or nay of it? Seriously though ... after what I've experienced in this past year, I do honestly believe that it exists. I can't prove my experiences, nor will I argue with those who don't believe that it does, because what it all comes down to is what each individual believes in what he or she does. Er ... did that make sense?

2000-07-03 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On 3 Jul 2000 05:43:04 GMT, Jeffry Johnston <jeffryj@primenet.com> wrote: >Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com> wrote: >: -=-=-/ )=*=-='=-.-'-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >: _( (_ , '_ * . Merrick Baldelli >: (((\ \> /_1 ` UIN#: 788639 >: (\\\\ \_/ / >: -=-\ /-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >: \ _/ >: / / > >You have to do something about this hand, it has 6 fingers!!! >:) No, and get used to it. It's MY trademark. -- -=-=-/ )=*=-='=-.-'-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= _( (_ , '_ * . Merrick Baldelli (((\ \> /_1 ` UIN#: 788639 (\\\\ \_/ / -=-\ /-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- \ _/ / /

2000-07-03 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Jeffry Johnston <jeffryj@primenet.com>)


Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com> wrote: : -=-=-/ )=*=-='=-.-'-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= : _( (_ , '_ * . Merrick Baldelli : (((\ \> /_1 ` UIN#: 788639 : (\\\\ \_/ / : -=-\ /-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- : \ _/ : / / You have to do something about this hand, it has 6 fingers!!! :) Jeff

2000-07-05 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com>)


Merrick Baldelli wroteded: > Zabana Brandon wrote: > > >> >[1] Yes. All naysayers may speak in protest, > >> > but I assure you that it does exist. :) > >> > >> Don't get me started. > > > >And the yay or nay of it? > > Nay in regards to the thoughtform > of what people think they should see and > feel when it's upon them. Oh. (thoughtform out the window) The feeling I have is nothing like what I've ever been told or read about. <g> > It's so much more and less than that > mystic feeling everyone seems to write about. This is so very true. > >Seriously though ... after what I've experienced > >in this past year, I do honestly believe that it > >exists. > > I believe that one shouldn't look > at that sign too closely for fear of the > karma fairy jumping your ass and treating > you like some over-worked under-drugged > hooker in Lower Manhattan. o_O You have a very strange way of looking at the universe. > >I can't prove my experiences, nor will > >I argue with those who don't believe that it does, > >because what it all comes down to is what each > >individual believes in what he or she does. > > > >Er ... did that make sense? > > Ahhh, the power of illusions and delusions. And denial!! Don't forget the power of denial!! > Why just last night I entertained myself with > several of these. o_o Did I mention that you're an odd person? <g>

2000-07-05 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com>)


Jeffry Johnston wroteded: > > Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com> wrote: > : -=-=-/ )=*=-='=-.-'-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > : _( (_ , '_ * . Merrick Baldelli > : (((\ \> /_1 ` UIN#: 788639 > : (\\\\ \_/ / > : -=-\ /-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > : \ _/ > : / / > > You have to do something about this hand, > it has 6 fingers!!! > :) > > Jeff His name is Count Rugen, and be very very quiet about it. Inigo Montoya of Spain is looking for him.

2000-07-06 00:00:00 - Re: A question for Robert Beltran - (Merrick Baldelli <mbaldelli@mindspring.com>)


On Wed, 05 Jul 2000 16:01:40 GMT, Zabana Brandon <zabana@collegetoday.com> wrote: >> I believe that one shouldn't look >> at that sign too closely for fear of the >> karma fairy jumping your ass and treating >> you like some over-worked under-drugged >> hooker in Lower Manhattan. > >o_O > > >You have a very strange way of looking at the >universe. You would too if you survived what I've survived. >> >I can't prove my experiences, nor will >> >I argue with those who don't believe that it does, >> >because what it all comes down to is what each >> >individual believes in what he or she does. >> > >> >Er ... did that make sense? >> >> Ahhh, the power of illusions and delusions. > >And denial!! Don't forget the power of denial!! Damn, forgot about that one.. Got that one ingrained in my genes. >> Why just last night I entertained myself with >> several of these. > >o_o > >Did I mention that you're an odd person? <g> Yep.. My mom describes me as weird. -- -=-=-/ )=*=-='=-.-'-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= _( (_ , '_ * . Merrick Baldelli (((\ \> /_1 ` UIN#: 788639 (\\\\ \_/ / -=-\ /-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- \ _/ / /