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2000-05-18 00:00:00 - Re: the borgy bunch, et al. - (evilklowwn@aol.comedy)


Sivartis doth write thus: >OK, guys, I don't know what your problem is. I like the kids. I think a >lot of restraint is shown in their development. A lot of people were traumatized by Pestley Crusher's "Kiddie genius saves ship while adult Starfleet officers stand around" schtick. Now the threat of it happening all over again is hanging over us. <G> >About the episode, I was very surprised by the quality of this edition of >Voyager. It was gripping, and fairly inventive. I doubt we'll get another >this good for a while. Not until Fall, at least. >I won't go to specifics, so the whole spoiler thing doesn't happen (by the >way, I do like the nice way people do that in their posts. I'm new to the >channel - and newsgroups in general, so not used to that sort of thing.), >but again, I loved Janeway. She's one of my favorite female sci-fi >characters since Ripley. Strong, but compassionate. And I really try not >to fault Ms. Mulgrew for the scripts she's sometimes given. Query: did she >have bronchitis during filming? I also believe Mulgrew is doing the best she can with the scripts; it's the writers' fault she's known as the "Woman Og A Thousand Personalities." ***************************************** "Insanity is a part of the times, Vir: You must learn to *embrace* the madness!!" Londo Mollari

2000-05-18 00:00:00 - the borgy bunch, et al. - (sivartis <siv_art@hotmail.com>)


OK, guys, I don't know what your problem is. I like the kids. I think a lot of restraint is shown in their development. About the episode, I was very surprised by the quality of this edition of Voyager. It was gripping, and fairly inventive. I doubt we'll get another this good for a while. I won't go to specifics, so the whole spoiler thing doesn't happen (by the way, I do like the nice way people do that in their posts. I'm new to the channel - and newsgroups in general, so not used to that sort of thing.), but again, I loved Janeway. She's one of my favorite female sci-fi characters since Ripley. Strong, but compassionate. And I really try not to fault Ms. Mulgrew for the scripts she's sometimes given. Query: did she have bronchitis during filming? Looking forward to lots of intersting conversations. TR

2000-05-19 00:00:00 - Re: the borgy bunch, et al. - ("Engaged Pie (aka Gordon)" <sweetiepie_1966@yahoo.com>)


sivartis wrote > OK, guys, I don't know what your problem is. I like the kids. I think a > lot of restraint is shown in their development. > The problem with the borglets is *very* simple. There are two sides to it; The first is the lack of development of the 9 main characters already there. Janeway, Seven and the EMH have got the lion's share of the character development and screentime in the last three years(season's 4, 5 and 6) and the remaining 6 characters have languished to varying degrees. Their under development is accentuated by the introduction of other characters such as the borglets and Naomi. All the Borglets and Naomi have really served to do is give mommy-seven chances to show herself. Though I would recognise that Neelix has had two reasonable episodes, one with Naomi(reasonable in terms of screen time, not quality) and now with "Haunting". The under developed characters are frequently abandoned in favour of groups of guest characters, and now they have to make way for irritating and unnecessary recurring characters such as the Borgy-Bunch. Yuk. The second problem is one of altering Voyager from adult centric science fiction drama to be action oriented teen/child drama. There appears to be a view among TPTB that Star Trek fans are won over by this, the ratings it seems do not show evidence for this, but TPTB persist. The Borgy Bunch are just the latest and most odious example of the dumbing down and increasing child appeal of Voyager. I imagine the next addition to the crew will be some cute little robot or a fluffy alien dog creature. Yuk